Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Lauren Bushnell

Episode Date: September 11, 2017

The Bachelor's Lauren Bushnell swings by the studio to share her reality TV battle scars with Kaitlyn, bubble about her new relationship with Devin, and promote her new line of wines. Also, Kaitlyn aims her sights on the elusive Peter! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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because there's more to life than Instagram, right? What's that supposed to mean? Welcome to Off the Vine with Caitlin Bristow. Now here's Caitlin. Okay. Hi. Wow, that was a weird intro. Hi, welcome to Off the Vine.

I am your host, Caitlin Bristow, Wine in Hand, Doi. And I really thought about getting dressed up and cute for my stylish little guest today. But I couldn't do it. What? You look cute. Well, thanks. But comfy's cute, I guess. But I just had to be in my comfies because I'll tell you something, it just feels right.

I can't not be comfy when I do a podcast. Wine and sweats is like, it's my thing and it's what I do best. And now I've already lost my spot in my notes. Oh, okay. So looking at the sweater, what are your thoughts? What do you see? Wait, first of all, we've got Lauren Bushnell in the studio and that's what I'm talking to. Hi.

Wait, do people call you Lauren B? Sometimes. Oh, I think I might have to. Yeah. It's like it's died down a lot. the bee has kind of fallen off. Oh, I'm going to bring it back. Yeah, bring it back.

Okay, what do you see on my sweater? Describe it to the people since they can't see it, although they've probably seen it on my Snapchat. So I see a family of wolves and they are howling at the moon and there's like a mystical gray fog surrounding them. It's very magical. Oh, that was the most perfect description of this sweater. That couldn't have went any better.

So apparently there's a whole story behind this sweater, which my podcast producer just said she knew it and now I got excited because I just found out about this. So I found out about a week ago. It was a nice little Tuesday. I was having supper with the family and naturally I was Snapchating or Instagram storying, however you say that. And Cupcake slid into my DMs and said, OMG, do you even know the story behind your shirt? And I was like, what? No. Because some girl at one of our City Strong events just gave it to me as a gift because she knows I like really tacky sweaters. Like, have you ever seen my sweater I wear just as Minnesota on it, has a loon on it? Like What? And so, so she gave it to me and Cupcake sends me a text and says, okay, so a few years ago, this shirt went viral because it got thousands of sarcastic five-star reviews on Amazon. And people would write these long essays about it and it's superpowers. Wait, what? Yep. And all, for the purpose of mocking it and like, why would anyone wear a sweater like this other than 11-year-old like computer nerd? But not surprisingly because it went so viral that it actually became cool.

And it sold thousands of units. And the most famous reviewer was, I always butcher people's last names. George Ticay. Oh. What is it? Ticay. Ticay. Ticay.

Thank you, Heather. George Ticay. Sorry, if you guys are Star Trek fans and I just butcher that. And then Chris, A.K. Cupcake, sent me some screenshots of comments on this Amazon of this Mountain Three Wolf Moon shirt. So if anyone's as bored as I am, go Google the Three Wolf Moon shirt and look. let the jealousy of my sweater begin, and maybe we can auction it off for, like, charity or something. I know. Is it sold out? Can people still buy it? I don't know. I didn't do my research enough. Oh, my gosh. We should look that up. But isn't it so, like, I don't really want to give it away, but.

No, you should keep it. It's like kind of badass, and I think it says a lot about my confidence. Yeah. That I could wear something like this in public, you know? Oh, so glad you came on the pod and that we could make it at work in person. You can drink wine together, and we'll make a part too. eventually. Okay, so just before we get into Caitlin's Confessionals, I just want to take a second to thank my sponsors, Green Chef, which you obviously just heard about, bright cellars, supplying my wine, and Kapari Beauty, because who doesn't like to smell like nuts? Cockonuts. So keep your ears open, because I've got some great deals coming up for you, but enough about my sweater. Let's start off the podcast by confessing our sins, shall we?

Oh, no. Well, every week I confess, and I get my guest to confess, something that they have done in their week that they are ashamed of or embarrassed of. Like, I go there. I tell some real embarrassing stuff. Whatever you want to tell, just something you need to get off your chest. Last week, I admitted to biting my toenails. I've peed my body suit. Mine this week is kind of dumb, and I'm, like, mad at myself for this confession, but it was

the only thing I could think of. And then when you tell me yours, I'll tell you mine. I'll give you a second to think about yours, and then we will wash away our sins with our wine. Okay, perfect. So mine I'm mad at Because other way All my confessions have been pretty funny and embarrassing But this one

I sat on my flight yesterday And instead of being productive And like doing emails and stuff I just sucked myself into the suck hole of Instagram And started comparing myself to people on Instagram No Why? I preach to people to not do that

And like I'm like I'm better than that And I've got I finished doing it And I felt so crappy And I was like, wait, that's why you don't do it Because everyone and their dog Could look through Instagram I feel like crap about these cells.

And I was so mad because I really do preach to everybody saying how I'm happy that is. I feel like you don't even realize you're doing it though. Like you're just scrolling on the whatever, the popular page and you don't even realize that you're subconsciously doing that. The popular page is the worst. No, it's the devil. It is the devil. And every time I go there, I'm like, don't do it. Don't do it.

And then like an hour later, I'm like, my boobs aren't big enough. And I'm not like I do. Oh, my gosh. My hair is not thick enough. It's true. And you don't even know what's real that you're looking at. No. So, no, yeah, you can't.

Every time. Like, and then I have to sit there for just as long as I did scrolling and to convince myself that what I just saw was not real life. And I'm like, you do it too, Caitlin. You put pretty filters on and you make everything look good. Right. Right. Post your best life.

Oh, I just got always real life. Exactly. You know? That's why I tried to do the realstagrams. I feel like I just, like, got something off my chest. And I'm like, I feel better about it? Yeah. Oh, good.

I do because I'm like, okay, we all do it sometimes. I won't do it again for a while at least Wait a confession I don't know if I have anything to confess Oh come on Did you drink too much wine the other day Did you accidentally fall asleep And then wake up late and have to flip your undies inside out

To move on with your day Why would that help me move on with my day? Oh I don't know I've never done that Oh yeah just kidding that was stupid No I mean I don't really have honestly like I've had a very uneventful week So that's cool But actually, it was my friend's wedding last weekend Oh, we thought of one

Yeah And I had a little bit too much wine Yeah That happens at weddings But I got really emotional And I don't know I don't know why But I was just like a hot mess express

Like I cried I got mad at my best friend Like really not cute But that happens I know And hi, you've kind of been through a lot Yeah But I took it out on the people

that I like love the most. It was like my friends and like my boyfriend was there with me and I was like, why am I acting like such an idiot right now? But at least you can realize it. Yeah. No, I realized it very quickly. Well, that's good because sometimes I don't and then a week later I'm like, fine, I'm sorry. But no, I think, well, first of all, we always take things out on the ones we love because

they're the ones that will stick around and love us through it and forgive us. So that makes a lot of sense. Well, you're human. I'm a human. You, everyone in our world goes through a lot, which people. people don't really recognize. And you had a little hot meltdown. Yeah.

I honestly, I blame it on the popular page. We'll blame everything on the popular page. Let's make a little pact to look at the popular page maybe once a month. Do you know what I've been doing? I've been looking at, you know how you can look at your usage, your battery usage, and it basically will tell you how much time you spend on Instagram or social media in general. It does? Yeah, it's actually really sad.

I mean, it's good. though it like keeps me i've been checking it lately and kind of keeping myself in check like i don't want to waste hours on end a day that's good just scrolling mindlessly yeah that's been my my thing i've been trying to read more books and that's good instead of scrolling i'm like pick up your book of cameron diaz where she talks about like aging and how it's a beautiful thing there you go let's wash away our sins cheers thank you for sharing that with us sure because it just makes you more human we all do it we all have breakdowns we all cry we all cry especially at weddings hi those are emotional i know that's true totally um so how much do you hate the term winner of season 20 of

the bachelor yeah it's a weird no it's weird it's so bizarre because now because i like kind of now like it's like am i a loser now then like i don't know no are you now the loser am i now the loser I don't know. No. No, it's a weird phrase because it's like... It's so weird. It just makes it seem like it's a game show, which... Exactly.

It's not, but yeah, I get it. What makes you win the bachelor? You're the last one standing. Yes. It's not... And then I'm like, well, I went home on Chris Solseason of The Bachelor, and some could argue that that's winning the Bachelor. Yeah. No offense to him, but like...

No, you found shot. Yeah, it all worked out. I get away. Sometimes my humor and sarcasm come across as mean, but I didn't. No, I get it. You get it. I follow. Yeah.

My peeps get it that listen. They get me. So what do you feel like your experience was like on the show? Like I don't mean after with the trolls and blah, blah, blah. I mean, like on the show, did you get along with all the girls? Did you along with the producers? Did you have fun? Yeah.

I feel like I had fun. I also feel like I was kind of a deer in headlights the whole time. I had never, ever, ever done. I remember when we did our photo shoot, like our head shots, the horrible headshots that ABC puts on their website. Oh, so terrible. Why did they do that test? Awful, horrible. Where you like have the hand on one?

hit but they were like oh have you ever like done a phone like taking photos i was like literally i've done senior pictures and that is it so like my experience in terms of just being in front of a camera in general was so little that i just feel like i was a deer in headlights but i did i got along with most people i kind of just tried to like mind my own and i did that too yeah i'm a rather large personality so in the house i was like i feel like people are going to either hate me or love me Yeah. And, but once I started, like, getting on my role, they kind of understood that my humor. So I did feel, I feel like I got along with all the girls except for Kelsey because no one got along with her.

But she actually had to, like, move to Paris after. Really? She's actually. She's no longer in the country. It's heartbreaking because she really got so much hate that she actually moved, which breaks my heart. And I wouldn't wish that upon anyone. Totally. But, okay, so you got along with everybody.

Mm-hmm. And where are my notes? I had more questions Oh yeah So you got along with all the producers Did you have fun? Did you feel like you like Were learning about yourself in the process

Because everybody says that They go through that And they learn so much about themselves And I didn't realize it till I was out That I was like oh I really did Yeah I agree I don't think I realized out at the time But I think after the fact I did

I don't know I don't want to say I didn't really have that much fun Is that bad? No no no that's not bad I feel like I was so overwhelmed There were parts of it that were fun And like I loved like

There were so many moments were like died laughing like with you know some really good people that I met and are still friends with but like I would have probably rather been like at home yeah family like friend you know no I totally and it's like a stressful situation so I wish I would have had more fun like I think I just was so overwhelmed that if I were to do it again which I wouldn't but like right if I were I think I would just let it be and like let myself go with the flow a little more and enjoy it yeah it's so hard I really do think when I was on Christmas season

that I did do that I really let go and I had so much fun and I really just took like oh I made friends out of it and I had the best time I got along with all the producers and I think what was happening was that I wasn't really in love with Chris and so I think I wasn't

so wrapped up in that aspect of it that I was just having such a good time right no that makes sense but then reverse roles I was a bachelor and I had a really tough time and I did not have like the best time and so much fun but looking back on being a contestant I had a blast yeah but I've talked to so many people that you know same thing it's a very overwhelming situation very

overwhelming and it's like a whole new world where you're like cameras are just on you always have to have a mic on you wake up in the middle of the night and you're like um it's like not a ceiling it's like stage lights and you're like where am I and I think the hardest part is when you like I didn't know who to trust and I think that causes the most stress because I felt I felt like I was always on edge, like wondering, questioning everybody, probably over questioning most of the time, but that probably caused myself the most stress. See, I was so naive. I was like, these people are family.

Everybody just wants the best for me. I remember saying to Sean when he was getting all, like, he was like, this is really hard. And I'm like, just trust me because these producers want the best for me. And I was like, oh, I was such a little idiot. That was so cute of me. saved yourself a little stress i did yeah i did and then the first like five minutes of the ad of what was coming up on my season i was like oh damn oh shoot i don't know how you did that that's a whole another level of stress that i could never do i'm telling you i've i think i'm still losing

hair from it i'm like what happened to my what happened to my thick hair oh right no i actually did lose hair on the season on the bachelor yeah like my hair i got off and it was like broken and thin i was like where is my hair yeah even sean mr beautiful main hair he lost hair from stress i had actual bald spots in the back of my head that's not okay like circles i had to go to the doctor and i had um alopecia from stress from stress yes that's how bad it was oh my gosh but it's all worth it all worked out i was trying to think like so many positive things come from that show so many difficult times and stress but so many good things like totally we're also very lucky very so i try to remind myself no it's so true you got to look at the

positive peaks and valleys you know peaks and valleys up and downs what do you think about the announcement of the new bachelor ari i mean i kind of i don't i kind of like it personally i'm excited i don't really know a lot about him did you watch emily season no i think i saw like a couple episodes the guys i went to college with a bunch of guys who like were so into the bachelor and i had never really watched it but they would do like viewing parties every night like the guys were every monday night so i'd go over there occasionally but i don't really remember like i feel like it was so long ago. Really? But, I mean, I like that he's, like, been out of the whole world for a while. Like, I feel like in my mind, I'm like, oh, his intentions are probably more pure, which I don't even

know if that's actually accurate, but who knows? I feel like in my mind, it makes sense. Nobody can see me, but my eyes are rolling into the back of my. It actually kind of hurt. Really? See, it's not, I don't know him at all. Yeah. I guess I'm doing what assholes do and and reading into what people say. Oh. Because I've just heard... Is there a lot out there? Well, Courtney Robertson, I think her name was.

That one, Ben Flanjanel, like, Susan. She wrote a book and said that he was like a huge player and that she really liked him, but he played her. And he's just all... Do you call a race car driving athlete? They're an athlete, right? I feel like athletes are kind of shady sometimes. And he came off the show, which he probably got all these girls just, like, throwing them tells Adam. So he was like, ooh, this is fun. Yeah. And so how old is he? I think he's

36. Okay. I'm not sure. I like that it's like, I'm not bashing us. Yeah. But like I like that it's like an old, like an older. Yeah. Like more mature. Like knows what they want. Maybe more ready. And here's what I think. I think they wanted to go back to like when they had the most dedicated following in that show. And that was Emily's season. Oh. I feel like that was like the true Bachelor fans and everybody was so pleased with that season that they're trying to bring back their older audience to you because they've gained this new audience, but they've lost their old one who were very loyal. But Bachelor fans are very loyal in general.

But I think they're trying to bring that back. I'm just, and obviously, like, I don't think they really care about who the Bachelor is as a person, if he's a player, whatever, because it's about ratings and it's about who's going to tune in. And it's about how the girls are in the house. and it's you know like people are never going to stop watching the show and it's so it's like it's great it's and i i don't want him to think i'm saying anything bad about him i don't know him no um and i hope nothing but the best for him and i hope his season does really well but i just am going off like i'm an asshole i'm an asshole i'm not i'm being an asshole no but i'm kind

of glad i don't know anything about him so i actually it for me it makes me want to watch it more yeah Because I don't have a preconceived notion about who he is. But he was really great on Emily's season. Yeah. There was nothing, like, he actually was really great. I think he's just a normal dude who wanted to wheel girls while he was single. So I'm going to shut up because that really don't make you bad people, you know? No. Okay, I'm done with that.

I'm moving on. I really thought it was going to be Peter no matter what. I thought. So do we know what happened, though? I don't know. What happened? Did he say no? Wait, he had a very cryptic, like, Instagram post. I'm very confused.

Me too, because I'm like, does his Instagram post mean that... I heard they wanted it to be him. Yeah, I think they did for sure. And maybe it came down to like negotiations or something along the line. I don't know. But they're acting like he turned it down. I don't know if I'm going to read this whole thing, but he said like throwback to the most incredible journey. I struggled to hold back emotions.

ABC, you saw something to me that helped me back. You treated me with such love and kindness and show me glimpses of a life I've never dreamed of. I'll be forever humbled. Blah, blah, blah. he's going on and he's saying you saw something in me I was holding back never let uncertainty or fear guide your decisions you risk missing out on what potentially the greatest opportunity of a lifetime could have been but then he's talking about how he will always love Rachel and how so I'm like is he talking about he missed an opportunity with her or as the bachelor either is kind

of awkward yeah either way either way awkward most Rachel's more awkward if it's It's about Rachel. That's awkward because she's now happily engaged. And she's clearly like, bye. Yeah. I know. I want to know. I'm so nosy. Well, I want to get Peter on the podcast because I have so many questions.

Yeah. And I just want this to be like his safe place where he just confides in me and well, and then I share it to the world. Well, if you're wearing that sweatsher, he'll feel very safe. Well, that's what I was thinking. I'll bring this and have my superpowers and he will just like tell me all and confess all of his sins and everything he's feeling. See? What am I, a producer? Just thinking about ratings and not people's hearts. God. Anyways. Anyways. So, yeah, like we were saying, good and bad come from the show. Do you find it hard to talk about the relationship? Because I know you guys have respect for each other. Yeah, we have so much respect for each other. I find it hard because I feel like at this point, it's like being a dead horse. Like, I get so many questions about it. And I'm like, I've moved on with my life.

And I'm very happy now. And it feels weird to talk. And it's obvious. Like you seem so happy. Yeah. Like I just feel like that was like last chapter and I've started a new one. So it almost feels weird personally for me to continue to talk about it. And then also feels disrespectful to my new boyfriend that I care so much about.

Girl, tell me about that. Every interview I do is still about Nick. Yes. I'm like, are we serious here? Like I'm happily engaged to somebody. which I have been for two years. Right. How are we still talking? And that's what I'm getting at with. Does it, is it hard to talk about because you have a new relationship and because you are happy and because you have closure and he's doing his thing and you're doing your thing? And it's like, yes, you met on this TV show. But why is that such a shock to people that you're not allowed to like move on? Totally. Yeah. It's not hard to talk about because I'm still sad. No, no, no. It's just hard because I've moved forward with my life.

Exactly what I was getting at. Yeah. That's because I can. relate to that where I'm like, why are we still talking about this? Like, just because that's what people know of and that's what people see on TV and that's what people are so invested in. But like, please let it go. Yeah. Because we've all moved on. Yeah. And time goes on, life goes on. Yeah. And like we're all still going to be in the bachelor family and we'll probably run into each other or all of us. And it's just something that nobody can understand unless they've gone through it. Totally. I know. Okay, enough on that. Well, I mean, I just, I just, I just get it.

Yeah. And that's what I wanted to, I didn't want you to feel like you had to talk about that in a sad way. No, no, no. I was totally being like, I relate to that. Yes. Do you, Nick and Vanessa broke up. Do you ever talk to Vanessa? A little bit.

Occasionally. Like, I checked in just to make sure she's doing okay. I think she's at home, which is probably the best place to be. She's such a sweetheart. She's really nice. Oh, I met her at Carly and Evans wedding. Not to mention stunning in person. I was staring at her face.

I'm like, why are you so perfect? I don't even have words. Like, I honestly sat there at Carlynevin's wedding and I was just like, damn. Yeah. Like, she's very just naturally beautiful. Yes. And her skin, like, her skin, like, everything. And she's sweet.

She's really sweet. And genuine. And I'm like, damn it. Like normal and, yeah. You really blew it. You know what? It's so funny. I just, and you probably can relate, like, I do not judge because I'm like, you

No. Even just, not just bachelor people, but any relationship now, like, going through what I've gone through or whatever. Like, I have a whole new perspective where I'm like, you have no idea what breaks up. And sometimes things just don't work out, and that's okay. This is my thing. People are always like, bachelor breakups. They always happen. Lose my faith in love.

And it's like, did you really watch this show believing in love? Or are you watching it for, like, hilarious drama? Right. And if you took nine, no, sorry, what, nine? What a random number. If you took 10 couples off the street and put them together in like a weird situation and put them through anything, I bet you nine of them wouldn't work. Totally.

So why is it so shocking when these relationships don't work when you go through more than anyone could ever imagine? Yeah. I think people just probably get our sad because they feel like invested, which I do understand that. 100% part of it. But if they're invested, they should be invested in your own personal happiness. True.

As individuals first. for you. Yeah. Totally. I can imagine going through a breakup. Like if Sean and I ever, we won't. Well, I mean, who knows? But no, not. In my mind, no, we will never. Unless he did something terrible. But like, he won't because he's a freaking saint. Is he? Oh, he's a saint. Pisses me off sometimes. You have to. Well, this is our first time meeting in person. I know. And it's your first. And it's your first. And it's your first podcast. Yeah. I think it's my first podcast. At least it's my first. Well, I don't know. I'm trying to remember if I ever did. We did. We did. We did. something but I think it was video I don't think it was a podcast oh no I did girl with no jobs podcast you jerk oh no I just can't believe that no I did do her podcast she knows I'm messing with her well I'm actually annoyed but I also don't really care but yeah okay so second so second fine I'll take second but this is my first alone I've always done it with like someone oh yeah Amanda or like okay oh yeah I've watched that one yeah oh yeah I forgot I forgot to whatever okay so second podcast, but, um, wait, I had something, second podcast. Oh, no, this is our first time meeting in

person. First time meeting in person. But I don't feel like it is. No. Because we're also like involved in each other's lives somehow that I'm like, eh. No, it's true. You're even cuter in person. Damn it. You're a tiny human. How tall are you? I'm like almost five, three. Five three. Oh, okay. How tall are you? I'm like five, seven. Oh, you. That's like my ideal height. Why? I don't know. No. No. No. I love, sometimes I feel too tall, especially if I wear like a heel. No, no, six feet is tall. Yeah.

You're 5'7. That's like the perfect height in my mind. In my mind. I'm tiny and I'm tiny boned and I always feel like I'm just like this little like, wow. No, you're my sister. My mom is 5-1. My sister is 5-1 and very little. So I'm like, when I gave you a hug, I was like, oh, I feel like I'm hugging my sister.

Well, you're very tiny too. I felt like that was the tiniest little hug I ever had. Tiny hugs. But I'm so glad you see. You do really genuinely, on Instagram, seem happy. Who doesn't seem happy on Instagram? No, I feel like I've been spending a lot less time on it, which sometimes I'm like, I think that means I'm really happy because I'm like just busy and like in the moment more,

which I love. That's one of, I think, the biggest, what biggest indicators? Yes, thank you. Oh, my God, thank you. I'm not good with big words. Already finishing each other's sentences. I'm really, really bad with big words. Indicators was that when you're in a moment and when you're actually enjoying something and you forget what else is going on and you forget to Instagram and you forget to take photos and you're like, well, I must have been having a great time.

Instead of trying to show the world, I'm having a great time. Exactly. Except I do it all the time. I'm like, I live on Snapchat. So shut up, Caitlin. Okay. So what's going on in your life now? What is Lauren B. doing now?

And what's, give us a little insight into your world and what makes you happy and what you love to do. So I'm kind of still like settling into my apartment in L.A. And Marina Del Rey, which is where I live. I love Marina Del Rey. Before the show, I know, I like it. It's just a little quieter. It is so quiet. It's a little more peaceful.

It's relaxing. It's relaxing. Yes. So I'm just still trying to settle in, decorate my new little pad that I can make. I'm making it so girly too, which I love. I feel like your pads. going to be so cute it's just very girly yeah because i'm like i don't know how long i'll live by myself for like who knows maybe forever but like i'm going to make it very girly yeah um

but yeah doing that hanging out with friends and family and the new bf can you tell us about him i'm just so curious i love to look your face no no no him and i um were friends before the show kind of like hung out and liked each other but never like dated or anything. Was this when you knew you were going on the show? No. Oh, this is like before before. Great. And then, like, we just were friends. And then this opportunity came up and I was like, okay, like, it'll be good. Honestly, like, my reasoning for going on the show was I was like, probably won't meet anyone that I like that much and they like me that much back. Like, what are the odds of that? But I was like, if anything, like, I am kind of quiet. I'm a little

more reserved. Like, it'll force me out of my comfort zone. Again, I never done anything like So I was like, if anything, like, it'll be a good growing opportunity, which it was. But obviously like, and then you're like, whoops, gone to age. I'm like, wow, that escalated quickly. Exactly. But we like, and then I moved back to L.A. recently and we just started hanging out. And I think we've just always, like, had that natural, like, easy chemistry that we just kind of like picked up where we left off. And what people don't understand is like, I was dating before I went on the.

show yeah I was like seeing a guy we went on a few dates and then I was like hey look going on the bachelor hey look see you later see you wouldn't want to be you no I feel bad but like obviously it was just not where I needed it to be because if it was I wouldn't have went on the show but you just have these relationships and then you're like what could possibly happen on the show as if I'll meet like somebody who I'll get engaged with in 10 weeks and right like I didn't even know if I would on The Bachelorette, where I'd been through it on The Bachelor, and I was like, okay, well, that didn't work. But I saw how it could work. So I was more hopeful going into The Bachelorette. And then night when I was like, oh, done, Shambi, you can't come out of a limo

with that hair and that smile. I love that. I love that. Okay, wait, why do you think this is just based on things I've noticed? Yeah. I feel like the couples that are together are Bachelorette couples. Yeah, they are. Why? I know the reason. Why? Tell me, I want to know.

And this is nothing against you. No, I'm not going to, no, I don't take offense. I think it is way harder for a girl to move on from things that have happened and girls are way more sensitive and in touch with their emotions to move forward when something like that has happened with other girls. And I think guys are more like forgiving in that way and can move past it quicker. and put it behind them, which is still, it's like the hardest thing in the world, and it's still, like, next to impossible to navigate through a public relationship

after going through all of that stuff. But I do feel like it's easier for guys to move on and love the girl than it is for girls to move on because I'm telling you, I think it makes sense because we're a lot more emotional in general and sensitive. I couldn't do it. If Sean was The Bachelor and he went through a season like mine, I'd be like,

getting over this yeah and yeah where Sean is Sean's a very like compassionate and passionate guy where he's like he loves me and I love him and so I'm like we can get through that but I don't think I could do it the other way around I really don't yeah I mean it makes sense yeah it does that's what I think and I think also not all of them what no it's that and I think it's just like a little bit of luck because you have to you have to get off the show and as you continue to get to know the person like still continue to that love or whatever those feelings have to continue to grow but you don't know because you don't know really who that person is on the show like I kept through the whole season people are like how could

you like other people and be doing this while you were so in love of Sean and I'm like because I didn't know if I believed he was that good and I kept telling myself I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop like what is he going to do wrong is he this huge player he's too good looking with too good of a body and too funny and like everything's just too good I'm like there's no way I'm going to get out of this and he's that guy and I kept doubting him and doubting myself

and my feelings and I kept trying to like explore other relationships and I kept going nope this feels wrong I kept going back to Sean and then we got out of the show and people always ask what's the biggest surprise about Sean that you've like found and mine's that he actually is that good of a guy like that's like surprising

to me because I just couldn't see it and I kept doubting it yeah so I love it no and I think the reason like I've honestly like Devin is my new boyfriend and he is someone again I've known for a long time but like he's been so supportive like which is so important so understanding like I was almost like embarrassed afterwards I'm like why is anyone going to want to date me like I oh no I could I barely know you and I could probably put together a PowerPoint it's kind of like embarrassed I don't know I was just kind of just like almost ashamed, which I know I shouldn't have been, but I was. No, but that's how you feel.

And he was so supportive, so understanding and like just like kind of like my rock through that. And obviously I think we, aside from if I hadn't gone through that, I definitely believe that we are supposed to be together regardless. But he just like showed how supportive he is of me through that time. I was like, oh, which is so, that is like shows his strength and how much he cares about you. Because that's hard. I know. I know. I don't know if I could handle that, like on a public level and he was so good.

That's why guys stick around. There you go. I mean, I am a strong person, but I'm also extremely weak when it comes to that kind of thing. Yeah. I'd be like, oh, God, I can't handle this. That's so sweet. I love that. Yeah.

That's a good sign for the future, too, like that he will get through things with you. Yes. Very supportive. Yes. Oh, God. Maybe you guys will have your own TV show No, I'm just kidding Oh gosh

I always go back and forth Because people are always like Why don't you guys get your own show and blah blah blah And I'm like honestly I don't know if I could do it As long as we had control over like most of the content Because I would now knowing I'd like overthink every producer move

I'd be like what are you trying to do to me Are you trying to screw me? Like what's going to come? But otherwise I think it would be fun too share our relationship with the world even though we do. I would watch it. Would you? I would. God, I think it would be fun. I would watch it. Okay. Well, we always

think about doing a YouTube channel too. Do you do YouTube? That would be fun. No. I'm like not tech savvy. Oh, I don't get it. Sean's so good. I don't get it at all. So I don't know how to do any of that. Like I would have no. I would love to. Like I think it'd be fun to do like, like I like makeup and hair. But I'm also like how many makeup and hair tutorials could I possibly do? I could never do makeup and hair tutorials. I tried one the other day on my Instagram story for a product and I was just laughing at myself because I'm like, how do people do this? It's hard. You need like someone else filming

and helping. But still, I suck at doing my makeup. Really? I'm glad I can trick you because I'm terrible. I like to use my finger for like my eye and I just go on my eye and then I just like use the same brush I've had since like grade 12 on my like cheeks and I'm like throw on a bright lip and here we go. Good to go. Good to go.

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