Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Lauryn and Michael Bosstick (TSC): Sex, Love, & Italian Food

Episode Date: November 15, 2022

The brilliant (and extremely cute) couple behind The Skinny Confidential HIM & HER Podcast, among many other endeavors, joins Kaitlyn IRL in Austin, Texas for a podcast swaparoo! Lauryn Evarts Bosstick and Michael Bosstick have evolved from a romance at just 12 years old (getting caught in closets) to business partners and parents of two kiddos, and they’re back on the pod to share everything behind their relationship and their parenthood journey thus far. Michael and Lauryn reveal why Lauryn despised pregnancy but loved giving birth (yep, loved it), the differences so far between raising a boy and a girl, how they prioritize their relationship even over parenting, and what it’s actually like to work together (hint: it’s not easy). We also get some failproof blowjob techniques, incredible book recs, and tips for dealing with postpartum depression. Yes, we’re really covering ALL the topics on this one.  Thank you to our sponsors! Check out these deals for the Vinos: EHARMONY - Download the eharmony app and start free today. PROGRESSIVE - Quote at Progressive.com to join the over 27 million drivers who trust Progressive. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It's time to unwind. Here's your host, Caitlin Bristow. Okay, we got the boss sticks back on the pod. We decided to do a little podcast, Swaperoonie, so we are just coming off of their podcast, the skinny, confidential, him and her, where literally nothing is off limits, which we know I love. You would think that after podcasting for an hour, we would just run out of things to talk about, but nope, not us. We could go on for days, which is probably why we're all podcast hosts. But they have a lot to update us on since the last time they were on off the vine.

They had not one, but two kids, and it hasn't been easy to say the least. So we just talk about all things, parenting and relationships. It's really good conversation. So enjoy my conversation with the lovely Lauren and Michael. And having a boy is very different than having a girl, in my opinion. Tell me why. A girl is just, for my experience, is got a sweet spot for her father. The boy is like a little more tender with the mom. The boy looks at me.

I could do anything and he just stares at me like I'm like the greatest thing in the world. The girl's a little more, our girl's a little more sassy. Yeah. Independent. I've heard that boys are, well, I guess, I was so much of a dad's girl when I was little. still am. Actually, my dad's here in Austin with me right now. I love him so much. She can't even talk about your dad. You're cheering up. I love him so much. I know. See? Yeah, it's true. I think it's because it's like the first

man in your life. Yeah. My son is a ham. Really? And same thing for a boy, right? It's like the first woman in your life. Yeah. It's true. There must be something to that. I mean, at least in our experience. And how did you come up with their names? I love a story behind the name. Zaza. I was in love forever. It was Zaja Gabor. Oh, yes. But I pronounce everything wrong. So for years, I was like, I love Zaza Gabor. I love Zaza Gabor. I love Zaza Gabor telling everyone. Like, I read every single biography on her. I'm just, like, obsessed. She wrote this book, like, how to catch a man, how to keep a man and how to leave a man. Like, I just love her energy. And it was so avant-garde for that generation to be such a ballbuster. She had seven husbands. She took money from each one. She's just like very like. And not like dopey husbands either. Like she was, she was, she was big. Like Conrad Hilton, I think. was one of them like we're going big yeah yeah yeah and she was just fabulous and unapologetically herself and so I kept saying this name and finally one day Michael's like it's jaja and I was like oh my god our daughter's name zaza because jaja's a little hard to pronounce and you got to make it

easy on the consumer well no because she loved the name zaza and I was like okay well if you want to spell it zaza it's not like jaja gabbro's za zsa and she's saying and I was like you can't spell it that way because if you're like we can't change the english language You know what I mean? I love it. It's so cute and it somehow suits her and I just, I love different names. So do I. I like different names, but I like them to be simple so they can pronounce them.

Yes. And there's no confusion of what it is. Yes. Those are my benchmarks. Yeah. Except people at Starbucks are going to make it like they'll spell it somehow. Like X. Yeah.

Yeah. Something. That'll be crazy. Yeah. And then Towns was after Towns Van Zant, who we, a huge fans of Towns Vanzant. And I don't know. that name just like it's strong it fit I like a short well Zaza's like so like extra it's out there so I just make it simple

and strong and masculine you know do you think names have anything to do with how their personality is built like I feel like Zaza has to be sassy I think she has to be yeah yeah I think it's it's gonna be on brand for her to be sassy if only the reason that other people that like use the names like feel that way that it might put that kind of energy into the child. Yeah. But then I don't know. My mom named me Michael Joseph, the most Catholic.

I'm like, hey, my dad's name's Michael. It's a great name, but it's like, it's also. There's a lot of Michael's. No, no, listen, I'm fine. I think our parents could have all gotten creative at this table. They could have gotten a little more creative. I don't talk shit. Cleo's pretty creative.

Cleo is creative. Yeah. Cleo is the most creative. And her last name is Deliave. Yeah, okay. Well, Cleo got lucky. It is beautiful. Yeah, Caitlin Don.

Ugh. I don't mind Caitlin. Caitlin Don. Nah. Let's change our name like midway. Okay. Like that would be fun. I think my mom wanted me to go into the church or something.

Yeah. Well, it sounds like it. Mom's disappointed. Michael Joseph. Christ. Michael Joseph Christ is what I think she was trying to go for it. You got a great last name though. So it makes up for it.

It is a good last name. It's a good last name. And now you had Zaza right before 2020. We had her right when the pandemic hit. Yes. Right before. And what struggles did that bring in for you, too? I had a lot of struggles because I had postpartum depression, which is like a whole situation.

But also there was a lot of pros that came out of it. My husband got to see every phase that he wouldn't have seen because he would have been at work. That's true. I went back to work two weeks. So she was born in January. I went back to work two weeks later, pandemic, and then I came. Then you're home. Yeah, I'm home.

But the struggles was, you know, you're isolated. Yeah. And new parents. Your new parents, people weren't really coming and seeing her like they would if it wasn't a pandemic. But that's also a good thing in a lot of ways. Yeah. So there's good that came out of it. But the postpartum depression was so bad.

Did you realize, like, I can't compare it to postpartum because I've never had it. But sometimes when I'm in the depression, I cannot admit that that's what it is. And I'm like, no, it's just like it up. But it's clockwork. I look at my phone and I go, oh, yeah, it's hormonal. Did you know when you were in the postpartum depression that that's what it was? where you're like, I am fully having postpartum depression or were you confused? Like, why do I feel this way?

I thought I felt anxious, but looking back, being outside looking in, it was 100% depression. Yeah. Like, not, not even, I was having intrusive thought that I would never have had before having her. I was like just so like, I almost feel like there was a fog over your eyes. And the problem is, is then you have to like take care and show up for a little baby. and it's really hard to navigate. I don't think it's talked about enough. And I think a lot of people experience it.

And I had it for like six months. I mean, it was brutal. We talked about it a lot since then. But also, I was ignorant to what postpartum, like I had to do a lot of education because there's a whole thing. But we went through it. And I didn't know. So I'm like, you're used to dealing with your wife and your partner a certain way

with a certain personality for so. I mean, Lauren and I've known each other since 12 years old. Right. So I was like, who the hell is? this person, what's going on. And also because I was ignorant to what it was. I was like, hey, we just had like the greatest thing in the world happened to us. Why are you acting like this? And so I didn't handle it well either because I didn't know how to, right? And I was just like, why aren't you showing up the way that you usually show up? Right. It's confusing. And I don't

want to label this as a man thing. But I feel like when women are like hurting emotionally or physically like you want to step in and help. And when you don't know how and you feel help, helpless. Instead, I feel like men get frustrated almost with themselves that you can't do anything. But what did you learn? Yeah, what did you burn? Well, I've learned a lot of things, but I think the biggest thing is men don't realize how real this thing is, right? And so you don't, you don't realize, like her mind at the time was completely altered. Like she was in a very depressed state, almost disassociative. She didn't, you know, like even when we talk about it today, there's things that she doesn't remember about the early days of our daughter's life. And it's not that because

she wasn't present. She was there the whole time. But she was in this fog. And so, you know, to your point, I'm sitting there being like, hey, fix this. Like, let's go work out. Let's run. Let's do all the things. But you don't realize that this is a very real experience that she's going through. And so I think the frustration for me was that I didn't have any of the tools to solve it. And again, we're going through a pandemic. The world's like, you know, all of that's going on. And so we're just like, what the fuck is happening? Yeah. I also, there was like little elements. Like I got a horrible rash all over my face that was like the worst rash you've ever seen because you're more sensitive after you gave birth and then also I didn't have my mom there so that was

another element I was super hormonal the intrusive thoughts and then I also definitely had an element of disassociation where it was almost like I was detached from the real world it was almost like dreamlike it was very like out of body experience where you feel like you like I know this is all happening right now, but I don't feel like I'm present. 100%. I would be talking to you on a mic and I wasn't like there. Yeah. It was very weird and the thing that got me out of it was mushrooms.

Yeah. Snapped me out of it. Uh-huh. I did it three times in a row. Not recommending this. Okay, but I've heard this that microdosing can definitely help with that. I think I'm not like a big crier. I'm not and not that there's anything wrong with that.

I'm just not. Yeah. And so I think the mushroom. was like a breakthrough for me. It was like, connect the pathways a little bit. Yeah. And it made me like understand why I was feeling this way. And that honestly is what kick started me getting out of it.

And now looking back, I was like, oh my God, I was so depressed. And I didn't even know, like you said, I didn't know it was depression when I was in it. Yeah. So it was a lot. I'm careful to say what I've learned on this because I don't want to come off as insensitive. But I think if she was going to go through it again a second time, I would help her work through it a little bit more. Be a little bit more patient, listen a little bit more. Now that I understand the mechanism a little bit more about why it happens,

understand that it can be temporary in some cases and that there's things you can do. Well, there's, I just didn't know the first time. I was just like, it'd be like, you know, if, you know, we know each other for so long and then all of a sudden you show up as a completely different person one day. Like what happened here. Yeah. It's what's scary for everybody. I feel like it would be scary for you to be like whose body am I in and what's happening

and why do I feel this way? It's a lot. And I think there needs to be like a warning label of, postpartum. I thought you have the baby and then it's you're like you're through the finish line and that's not how it works. And now I have so many tools that have helped me. And if anyone is struggling, if they're in pregnancy and they're worried, they're going to get it. I would recommend weightlifting. That has really helped with my serotonin. I did not do that with my first baby. Cold plunging after six weeks has balanced my hormones more than really. I cannot even tell you. I get in that cold plunge for two minutes. minutes and I get out and I can feel my hormones balancing. Because it works on the parasympathetic. I would also recommend getting your thyroid tested, but not like just a, not like a basic thyroid, like test all the levels.

Yeah. And so I found out I had hypothyroid. So I couldn't lose weight the first baby. And once I found that out, I could lose weight, which helps just getting the weight off helps. Yeah. And I definitely recommend like moving, not being behind a screen a lot. Like, there's a lot of tools that I have in my toolbox now that I didn't have with Zaza. Proper diet, proper supplementation.

Yeah, I'm eating so much protein now. I was eating no protein. Really? Just like a lot of different things. And I have not had anything with talents. Yeah. And maybe it's the difference between a boy and a girl. I don't know.

Well, it sounds like you're, like you said, you have all the tools and you're doing it different this time. And that's definitely helped. The cold plunge, that makes sense. But I would have never thought about that. the cold plunge works so much on your parasympathetic. And I think when you have a baby, you're so in fight or flight and your nervous system is soaked up. Yeah. That to get freezing cold and change your mental state and your physical state, it's, I cannot say enough good things about this cold

plunge. Okay. I feel like you and Jason would like it. I, well, I've done a cold plunge like, um, like an ice bath. That's a, that's a cold punch. Yeah. Oh, and I freaking loved it. Yeah. It's amazing after. I got in there and I was like, this is hell. And then after I was like, I could do anything. I know, you're like, let me blow you with one arm. Let me cook dinner with the other. Let me take care of the kids with my toe. Let me, like, write a paper with my other toe.

You feel like you're literally on crack. Actually, yeah, you're right. And then, Michael, what would you suggest for husbands or partners out there if their partners going through that? Shut the fuck up. Yeah, just shut up from run away. Shut up. Take your mouth shut.

I think, again, my biggest issue in blinds spot was probably one just trying to fix it and like hammer the issue away, right? I think a lot of men do that. Yeah. And I had no understanding of what postpartum depression and anxiety was. So like since then, I mean, luckily one of the benefits of doing our show is we got to talk to all these people and experts and like, you know, doctors that are in this field. So I've learned a lot since then. But I think the first stuff is like understanding and acknowledging what it is. Yeah. Because if you don't know, you're just like what the fuck is going on. Yeah. Do a little research. Yeah. There's a lot of stuff we don't know about women, but, you know, if you're going to have a child with someone, I think they can at least

understand, like, what can happen. There's this book called, like, the fourth trimester or something, and it really is the fourth trimester. There's so many things you have to do. You have to just lower your cortisol and take it easy on yourself. Yeah. It's brutal. Not to scare anyone, but no, scare me. I want, like, just being honest. Well, that's the thing. We always say when it comes to postpartum or, you know, struggles with getting pregnant or everything that people don't talk about. I'm like, talk about it because that's, you know, that's the power of having your voice now. Because you were the first one. I forgot to ask you this on our podcast. You were one of the first ones to come out and say you froze your eggs. Yes. I forgot about that. Yes. Which is incredible.

What now there's so many people talking about it. Yeah. I'm so happy I did it. I feel like I got a lot of backlash actually for doing that at the time because people didn't understand it. And a lot of people were like, stop shoving it in our faces that you have eggs that can be fertile. But I was like, no, I'm doing this because like, what happens if I get cancer? What happens if something happens to me? And I'm just like, you know, I want to have kids down the road. It's not me just being like, hey, look at me. I'm fertile, myrtle over here.

Like, I got all the eggs and you don't. No, I'm like, I was encouraging women who could do it to do it because I didn't know. I was in a relationship that I met this person on TV and I didn't, it was rocky. And I was like, I would like to freeze my. bags. I would like to have a backup plan. And even now, I'm like, holy shit, thank God I did that. I'm 37. And I don't know when I'm going to be having babies, like, and I want to. So I'm so glad I did it. Did you freeze your eggs? I have not, but it's something that I definitely want to explore. So do you want more kids? I don't know. Okay. Then yeah. Four months, it's like a little,

like, I have to, like, get over the hump. Yeah. Let's see what happens. Yeah. Michael's like ready right now. Really? Well, I mean, listen, granted again, again, like it's not nearly as much work for us right and so like like i you know i am following her leave but i love how he says it's not nearly as much work for us well i'm talking about like oh for okay i think you're saying you and i because this isn't the work is like oh my god no no no i'm saying for men it's like you know our job in that process is you know you literally pump your sperm and roll over and fart and go to bed it's literally insane it's insane how little you guys do And then he's like, I had to wake up on Monday at 5.30 to feed the baby.

I'm like, I don't give a shit. Yeah. I was pregnant for 600 months. Wake up. I'm like very like principal with that kind of stuff. When he's telling me he has to like wake up or stay up late, I don't care. Yeah. I was pregnant for 10 months.

Right. Get your ass up. Yeah. I'm going to be sleeping. How is it like how are you able to not hold so much resentment to like I didn't make the rules? But that's what I mean. Like for me personally, I feel like I would be like, and I feel like this is the most common argument is like you do so much as a woman, you carried the baby, you birth the baby, the baby depends on you to survive and live. And the husband always feels helpless or the partner always feels helpless and resent, do they feel helpless?

Maybe not. I don't know. Do you? No. I think there is a shred of a little bit of resentment, but I will say one thing, I loved giving birth. You did. Like, I love it. I need the nitty gritty.

If I could get birth 10 more times. Stop. Oh, if I could skip the pregnancy part and give birth, I would give birth all day long. I love it. What? I love going in. I love checking in. I love getting the fucking epidural.

I love birthing the baby. I love, like, having the baby. I like love the whole thing. Really? I love being in the hospital after. words, even though I hate the hospital. Lauren, it's so funny because you have, like, you don't voice these kind of things when you're going through it.

I don't like the process of getting there. It's so much. Yeah. It's, but wait, tell me why you, is it like empowering or you like, I am a very intense person. Like, I like it, like, I like it freezing cold in the ice bath. Yeah. And I like, it's so hot in the sauna.

And I just zero to 60 for me. And so the birth is like the intense part. Yeah. And it's, it's fun. Like it's fun to be on the epidural. No, the birth is easy peasy. Come on. And I think you go into it with this like scared mindset because everyone scares you.

The birth is natural. We're like meant to do that. And people are going to say, well, we're meant to be pregnant. But pregnancy is like long. And it's like some people love pregnancy too. It depends on the person. But we're, did you do? I'm sure.

I feel like you're an open book. Please tell me if I'm. Okay. You did. Both of them vaginal. I did epidural. it's like you're just chilling it's like you had 10 glasses of rosé

and then it's time to push what happens if you don't get that epidural in time then are you in hell? I didn't do that see this is the trick and turn me off if you don't want my advice this is my experience I was told by a girlfriend to get the epidural before it starts to hurt

which makes total sense why would I wait until I'm in extreme pain to get the epidural when I could just be chilling throughout now my epidural with my second one stopped working oh at the end well then it was rough because then we had to then you have to catch up with the pain right or it's like if you're ahead of it then it's not as better to be right just why was like oh it hurts get the overall and right like I think the point is is like some people make the choice not to get it but if you're going to at some point get it like there's no like why try to be a hero and like wait till the very end like you might as well if you're getting it just might as well get it just get it just get it just get it just get it just down the street at this bar that I really like I mean I mean in the vagina were you there? No, no, no, no, no. Listen, my thing is she was not comfortable

with me being right there. And my, I feel like my job in that scenario is to make her the most comfortable that she could be. And she's like, hey, you stand here. And I'm like, okay, if that means that like, I'll just see the kid like a few seconds after. Yeah. Like, I'm good, you know. See, I want them down there because I want you to see what that thing has to go through so that You can be like, you are a fucking hero, but I guess you can already feel that way. No, but if she wanted me there, I would be there. But she's like, I don't want you. That's fair.

Whatever. Get behind the curtain. Always behind the curtain. Always behind the curtain. Yeah, that's, I mean, I get it. I used to say that, but now I'm like, no, you get down there and you see what's happening. You know what, Jason? Sorry.

I don't know if he could, not because he would, he's like, oh, God, I'm not going to see that, but I think he'd faint. If you can push it out of your vagina, he can get down there and see it. Yeah. And if he faints, he faints. Yeah, you can faint. You'll see all the pain that I'm going through? There's not a lot of consideration to how I feel during the process.

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Yeah. It's like so wild to see traits of my husband and traits of me, especially since we've known each other since we were 12. There's so much history. Yeah. And it's also wild to like see your mom or your dad or his mom. traits in the children like that is to me is crazy maybe that's narcissistic to say i think like this is going to sound cheesy but like maybe the parents listening will get it like i think the highest high is seeing that and seeing what you've created and then watching it grow and at the same time it's the

lowest low because you're watching it it really does people say oh it happens fast yeah it happens so fast and it's it's like heartbreaking and exciting at the same time yeah but the for sure the low as low as mom guilt and it is especially you're you're gonna text me or DM me and you're gonna be like oh my god it's because you want to still have your career and you want to still podcast and you want to still work and you want to still like check the boxes that you like are set out to check and you also want to like be able to still blow your husband and cook dinner like do all the things but then it like takes away from watching your child grow and so you're in this like tug a war like today when I was leaving my daughter's like no mama stay stay it's like horrible it's

like oh and like I want to go build my brands right do do podcasts like this but it's still it's really hard to like balance it all and I know that's such a boring answer no but I think that makes a lot of sense I feel like okay and people parents probably hate me for this because I'm always like well my dogs but I know dogs are not children and not the same but I the amount of love I can feel for two dogs scares me for the amount of love I'll feel for children. It's like terrifying. And when they look at me when I'm walking out that door, I have guilt. So I can't imagine creating something that you have created with Michael, birth this child. Then they can speak to you and say, no, mama, don't go.

And you're in Austin. Like, you're here and you have to also travel. Yeah. And you're in Nashville right now, right? I think that's really smart because you'll be able to have those, like, sanctuary wellness moments there, but then you can go with your briefcase to L.A. or New York, but it's still hard. Yeah. It's a low when you can't have sex with the door open anymore. Yeah. It's been tough for me. I've started talking to some people about it. No, that is a low.

I mean, that's hard. It's like, it's like, you know, I have to mourn certain parts of my life that don't exist anymore. Yeah. I mean, I'll get through it, though. How do you even have time to have sex? You schedule it now that your parents? I don't schedule. That doesn't sound sexy to me. Yeah. Our best sex is when we can just take a mom and dad trip. Yeah. Like, oh. We went to New York, we went to Carbone. Oh, I love Carbone. Probably not smart to have sex after Carbone, but hey, you know what? You guys have known each other since you're 12, but I feel like it's okay.

Yeah. I'm like, how are the meatballs? Bend over. We're like our like place where we can like really just relax and let loose is Cabo. Like we have our places that we can travel to. I mean, it's hard to. I think that's a thing that a lot of couples, and we talked about this on the show, like that, you know, people decide like now I'm not a couple anymore I'm a parent like my life's about the kid it's like no no no you got to put the relationship first like if you're not doing all that for like I think one of our biggest fears is that we would just be like co-parenting right just be like friends sharing a bed and like not having that I mean like what's the point of that right I also think for me I will always be ready to have sex or give a blowjob like any like I'm always like whenever he you have to admit like I'm always down to wow that

That's incredible. I just think that that's like a part of, I also think like you and I, and I feel like you can relate to this word dominant in a lot of areas with business. And so like that, that sex areas, I'm a little bit more submissive to that. I think that there's, for my relationship, there's nothing wrong with like that being an area where it's like I'm down to rally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My antidepressants won't let me. They're like, that's what I heard that it makes you like feel not sexual. Yeah. I had, I lowered my dosage. It helped because I was like, what in the fuck is happening? Like, it was so, and when I hear you say that, I'm like, I want to get back to that. I mean, because it throws off the hormones. Oh, yeah. The blow drop. You just really want to get it done a minute and a half, quick blow job. Oh, God, Lauren, don't just put me on blast like that.

You got to do the coin. What's the coin? You got to do the coin. The coin is like this. I will say what having kids, you, like we were talking about this in a work capacity, but I also take it in a sex capacity. You become efficient with your. Like, you're like, okay, we got to... Work smarter, not harder? Yeah, I get that. What's the coin? Yeah, you gotta do the coin. The coin is when you take your pointer finger and your thumb and you put it together. I wrote a blog post on this too.

And you, it's like you're doing the, what's the sign again? It's the okay sign. Eliminati. I'm just kidding. I don't know what sign is. The A. Okay. Lisa Renna wrote a book about this.

Lisa Renner wrote. Or maybe it's a chapter in a book. She didn't write a whole book about this. Okay. And you grip the penis and you. twist up and down. Oh, yeah. While you're grabbing the balls with the other hands and you coin it and they'll come.

Really? Works every time. And then Josh Flagg just told me a tip to lick from the butthole. Okay, Josh Flagg got way too, he got way too well. No, I mean, listen. I am, okay, are you into butt stuff? I can't put my tongue in a butthole. I'm not putting in the butt hole.

I won't yuck somebody's yum if that, if you like are into that. No, power to you. No, I'm not going to, I can't with that fecal matter. No, I think, I'll like lick the, the, the goch. Yeah, but I think, I think that we're, you know, and no, not the butt stuff. I think it's like, I'm kind of, it's a novelty for younger days. Yeah, I mean, listen, we've had fun in our day. I'm not saying we haven't had fun, but the butt sex is like a whole thing.

No, you definitely don't want to do that after Carbone. No, you don't want to be f*** up the ass after Carbone. I don't think I could get down. You should call this podcast, I don't want to be fucked up the ass after this. How does this always happen to us? How do we always go down these paths on? I do too. I can't help it.

I can't help it either. And I like hearing other couples talk about these things because I want I like when people are just open and honest about it. And I'm like, I'd be so proud if I are you being like, I love giving a blowjob and having sex. I honestly think that I mean, we've always been an oversharer when it comes to sex. And I just think that there's so many people that feel shame around it. So to talk about it openly and like I don't give it energy. Even when I'm saying you to butt stuff, that's just me personally. If people like butt stuff, no shame at all.

In fact, I wish I was a little more freaky naughty like that. If you like butt sex, like sent DM me some tips because. Yeah. I wish I loved it. My best friend Lowe, who, do you know who Lowe is? I don't think so. Okay, you need to have him on your podcast. He's one of my favorite guests to have.

Okay. But he always talks about like if he goes on a date, I'm like, how do you decide if you're going to be top or bottom? Because he says he switches. Obviously he's gay. And he said, well, it depends what we're having for dinner. And he goes if I'm going to be bottom. I'm like, I'll just, you know, take a knee on the Mexican.

That's so smart. I know. That's smart. Yeah. Yeah. You've got to like pay attention to what you're having for dinner. Yeah, you do. Yeah.

Not carbon. No, carbon. Do not have one of those meatballs. But they're so delicious. Yeah. It's just the best, one of my favorite restaurants in New York. 100%. Yeah.

Do you both have similar parenting styles? I know they're still young, but similar parenting styles because that's something that I always think about with Jason. We're such. different people. And I'm like way more like, yeah, if they want to shave their head, like, let's let them be free. And Jason's like, well, let's get to the bottom of why they want to shave their head and like, let's talk about that. And I'm like, no, that's too deep. Like, do you have the same parenting style or have you, no? Do you think we have the same parenting style? I don't think we have

the same parenting style, but I think we're very aligned in our values and our goals for our family. So I love that. I think what happens is like we will approach parenting differently. And I think it's really hard to have the same parenting because you're two individuals. Yeah. But if there's like a further explanation or further, you know, depth into this advice for couples or in a relationship, it's like, I think if you can't get aligned on what you actually want out of the relationship or the goals you want for your family, I think it's then very difficult to meet, right? Like if I wanted to go this way with our family and she wanted to go that way and we're completely different in our parenting styles, I think that would be very

difficult, but we're both like aligned on what we want to happen. That makes sense. One thing that Michael and I do that we realize we do all the time is we're very much aligned like he just said with the vision and our strategy like we talk about a lot what the future looks like for our family like where we want to be in two years where we want to be in five years where we want to be in 10 20 30 like we really talk about that and I think that that helps on a micro level as parents get on the same page but I'm definitely more easy going and like I'll give you a good example. Last night, I had like a huge mug of hot ginger tea. I'm like so excited to sit in bed. I'm eating all protein right now. Yeah. And I put chia seeds in the tea because I want to like flush.

Interesting. I put like a bunch of cheese. And you know they like it all like soppy and like big. Disgusting in the water. But it makes things go. Okay. So I so excited to like sit in bed after a long day and drink my ginger digestion tea with chia seeds. Yeah. And Zaza is playing. with the dog and hits the tea over. Oh, no. And your first reaction is you want to, like, be like, oh, my God. Like, what did you do? And then I realized, like, she already, she ran and hit under the bed. And so she already felt bad.

Yeah. And so I was like, oh, this is like a really good opportunity to teach her that this is an accident. There's some chia seeds all over my. Oh, no. Oh, no. It's like, chia seeds is, like, worms. Yeah.

Everywhere. Oh, no. It's in every crevice. It's underneath my name. males, it's a nightmare. Yeah. And I'm like, okay, this is an opportunity to just be like, it's okay, it was an accident. Mm-hmm.

Your approach, I feel like would be a little bit. I had nothing to do with our approach to our child. You're she's more, no, no, no, no, no, let's go. I went to you and said, why are we having more chia seeds in the bed? Because we have a thing about, I think it's gross to eat in the bed. Really? I don't. I don't.

It's better in bed. But the problem is that not when she's spraying chia seeds everywhere, there's crumbs, there's this, there's like chocolate. Michael's a little more reactive than me, I would say. I'm a little more blazay. Yeah, yeah, okay. You know what? I have no win here.

I'm just going to say, all right. I agree. Wink. Have a sip of your spade and sparrows rosé right now. You should have seen these chia seeds. It's disaster. Yeah. Every nook and cranny, like the worst.

Aw, but what a sweetie she went and hid. I know. She went into the blanket. She just like, ah, like one of it. That's really cute, though. The chia seeds, though, did go back downstairs and get more and make a new tea. So there you go.

Yeah, it was fine. I just didn't drink it in the bed. He's shaking his head. Last time you guys were on my podcast, we talked about how Lauren's dad caught you guys in the closet. Yes. And we asked you what you would do if you caught your daughter in a closet one day with a boy. So now I want to know that you're a girl dad. No, I wouldn't have the, I don't.

I mean, I mean, Brad, if you ever hear this, I mean, he must have the patience and the understanding of a saint because somebody's head. coming off as I find that. I knew it. The next phone call you're going to get to collect call from me from prison, be like, hey, I'll be home in a few years, honey. Would you literally get that mad? Internally, maybe?

No, I don't. I mean, listen, not really. I don't know. I mean, who knows? I'm not, you never never, never in this situation. It would be hard to fathom at this point because I'm looking at her and she's not even three years old yet. Yeah, I'm talking like, 21-year-old Zaza.

Well, he, no, 21, I'd probably like, okay, what are you doing? you know like that's then you're an adult but he caught us when we were 12 or 13 oh right you guys were yeah Titanic was out so like I remember because I looked up at the buster and my dad was my underwear only and she was in her underwear only no everything out on the top and her little sister came and you know like you know like a horror movie when you could see like the little slits in the closet the little sister runs in the room she's like Lauren and going under the bed and I could see her through the little slits in the thing and then Lauren gets in she got in the closet with me which I don't know what you were thinking then

And so I'm, like, sitting there. I'm like, well, I'm screwed here because the little sister thought it was like a hide-and-seek thing. And then the next thing, the thing rips open, and it's the dad, and I'm 12 years old. And he's standing there as a huge man as very alarming. They start dating at 12. No, hold on. We have not dated that long. Oh.

We started dating at 12. We broke up at 15. We got back together way later on in life. Way later on. Yeah. That's true. Okay. I don't want, like, this isn't like, you know, a 30-year relationship over here.

That's, we, we had to, like, go experience different flavors, which is fair enough. Yeah. What does the goal look like for your family in three years, five years, ten years? Like, what, when you guys talk about that, what does it look like? We definitely want to probably have a house somewhere else. We want to be really fluid with our business where we have the ability to have autonomy. Like, you know, I don't know how long, you know, and I'm not saying this is going to happen in five years, but how long we want to be in the spotlight. like is it something that we want to be like i want to be 80 years old i don't think so i think we

really strategize on like i don't want to be taking a and not that there's anything wrong with that i just don't want to be taking a mirror selfie at like 45 years old that's not i feel the vision it's like building the business and really think thinking of what that looks like from a macro level and a micro level and then um you know what our family looks like where where we want to travel to what we want to do like we just have like very like specific goals Well, I think more, like, just on like the, if you were to look at like, kind of like the ethos, like, Lauren and I both kind of grew up. I think all of us grew up at a time where it was like there's these structures, right? It was like, you go, you go through this school, you do this, and then you get this job.

And it was like, I remember growing up and be like, man, I really don't feel like I fit into this kind of box. And I struggled a lot as a kid because I was always in trouble, I was getting kicked out of places. And I want to kind of teach our children that you can acknowledge and respect some of those structures, but that you can kind of also have an unconventional life. and find a kind of different path. And so I don't think that we will have like the traditional cookie cutter white picket fence kind of relationship, marriage, family. We don't want to stay in one place forever. Like that's we want to really be able to be fluid. But autonomy is what speaks to me the most. It's like waking up and being able to do what you want to do when you want to do it. And whether that's work or, you know, fly to freaking New York for one day. Like whatever it is, I think autonomy is like,

it's it's that's the word that I see yeah like I don't I don't care what kind of job or career my children pick I care that they're good people that they're driven and doesn't have to be driven by like right like they're like money or yeah yeah but it just like they're they're pursuing something right whatever that thing is and you know I think I want them to like understand that like they they can kind of carve their own path with our support but that like it doesn't have to look like everything else and also I think and I feel like you can relate to this it's like building a business it's bigger than Lauren Bostic like It's like I have to build something that's that's bigger than me that doesn't have to do with me.

Yeah. That's very, very important to us. I don't want to, you know, be on social media when I'm 88. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I just don't want to. She's going to get off the day before she dies. That's, I always try and think that too because I always like the idea of being off social media, but then I know I'm going to miss it because I do like social media too. I just don't know what that looks like for me down the road.

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from what we've talked about as a goal for our family. So if I had a, like, so the great thing about what Lauren and I do is we get to interact all the time together on the show. We have separate businesses. Obviously, I'm running Der Media. She's running the Skinny Competential. We have this together. And because of that, we get to engage a lot and spend a lot of time together.

And it enhances what we're doing as a family for our children. But if it ever got to a point where it was pulling. a business was pulling me away from her or our kids or vice versa, then I would say, okay, maybe that business isn't worth it. Because at the end of the day, you may have a bunch of money in a successful venture, but if you don't have a good family life, good relationship, good relationship with your children, it's like, what's the point? I think business is a tool. It's a vehicle. Like, I'll give you an example of what wouldn't be high. Like, say someone came to us and they were like, we want to follow you around, Michael and you all day long. And we want to do a reality show.

And I'm not talking about like the Bachelorette or the Bachelorette. I'm talking about like a reality show about Michael and I, we would really be thoughtful about that because I feel like that would infringe on our marriage in a lot of different ways. I would say no. Yeah, he would say no. And so, like, that's something that's not worth it. We really weigh, like, the pros and cons of everything and how it's going to affect the future. So there's a lot of strategy, but I would say businesses, we love business.

No, we love business, but there's a way to build businesses that enhance your family life and your relationship and not take away from it. Yeah, that's fair enough. And I feel like you two have such a solid foundation that you like know each other, you trust each other, you built family together. Is it hard to have businesses together or do you enjoy that aspect of your relationship? It used to be really hard. Yeah. It used to be very hard. I think what changed is you just, you learn how to manage it. You just get good at managing it. I think now it's like we know where each of us stands. Like don't step in my mind. square it's like that game the four square like don't come into my creative i don't come into his logistics i was talking to my accountant i can be careful here i was talking to my accountant and he obviously he he sits on the side where he is working with a lot of families and seeing their their net worth and their finances and all this stuff and he sometimes sees some of those

families through divorce right and he was saying that he was talking to me he's like listen he's like i think it's act like we will probably be fine you never knock on wood because i think the harder thing to figure out is the business stuff actually like it's hard to figure out how to be in a full relationship and work together and build things together and not have it affect the relationship and a lot of people like you know if you can solve that part because we we had to go through so much shit in the beginning of like you do this i do this what do you step into what do you not step into like how do you avoid this fight and i think like we did so much work that like honestly the marriage and the parenting thing is easier than figuring out the business

I believe that. When people ask, like, other couples say, hey, should I get in business with my partner? I'm saying, like, no, 99% of the time. But my advice, though, if you are going to do it, is just throw yourself into it and figure it out. Like, don't, like, try to be like, oh, like, just throw yourself in and see where you land. It's really fucking hard, though. Yeah, I, I, like, Jason and I obviously don't own businesses together, but we're in the same business. And you might, if, you know, you guys might have a business together in the future.

Yeah. And so, I mean, I could see both of you just after talking to both of you. you're very, very entrepreneurial. Like, I could see you guys owning something together. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's scary, though, because I feel like both of us put work first a lot. That's hard.

Yeah. But here's what his mom told me a long time ago. Your mom told me this, like, 10 years ago. She told me, when your husband comes home, you better have something interesting to say. And the reverse says for a wife, if a wife comes home from work and the husband has nothing interesting to say. So for me, the business adds this element of, like, there's so much. to talk about, that it never gets boring.

And I feel like I'm a valuable asset to the business. And so is he, which makes the marriage that much richer. I love that perspective. That's nice. Well, the way we think about it is like, you know, think about how much time people spend in their careers and like they're building all these relationships and doing all these amazing things and growing in all these different directions. And like to be able to share that with your partner is great.

But sometimes, you know, we know these relationships you come home and like you can't really talk about that with your significant another. It's like, oh, I feel stifled in a way. like I want to talk about all these amazing things that are going on. If you can't, it's like, you're kind of missing a big part there. That would be hard for me to come home and have all the stuff going on business-wise and not having someone who understood or, like, wants to talk about it. Like, what if someone's like, I don't want to talk about this.

That's why, even if there's a one or whether it's the man or the woman or man, whatever it is, and like, and there's a breadwinner in the family that's being like, you still have to have something going on. Like there's like a hobby, like an activity, something to talk about and be interested in. something outside of just like the relationship and the kids and I'm not and a lot of people like get offended when you say that because I think it hits some nerves of people but it's true like you like people want to bring things from outside of their household into the conversation and into the relationship and talk about the outside world a bit more yeah no that makes complete sense

I like it you guys are cute drop the mic last little thing before I let you go it's called going deep with him and her just really it's it doesn't sound like that I mean It isn't what you think. I never know with this conversation. Yeah, you never know. I mean, these could lead to something else. But what is the thing in your life that you're both the most proud of? I think, honestly, I think I'm most proud of the relationship we've built.

I think it's been, you know, we met when we were 12, like I said, and we've been together now since we're 20. We've never been separated. We've built that relationship has stemmed, you know, multiple business entities and platforms that I think have grown bigger than. just us too and obviously a family and children and so like i think like honestly it's the thing we've both worked at the longest and hardest up again like the longest period of time and i think it's not been easy always but it's i'm most proud of my eyebrows i mean they are fired of my

relationship with michael definitely and that sounds cheesy but it's like i don't just say it's like oh it's like our family no but i mean also like i don't there's what other way do you answer that you know i love that the platform the businesses that It's, yeah, it stemmed a lot of things. Yeah. It's nice. It's really nice. What is one simple thing that will always make you happy?

Simple. Ooh, I have a lot of things. I know. Little simple things. I'm going to do things that will make me happy. Meditating and not being interrupted. Mm-hmm. Ice rolling.

Mm-hmm. My kids. Five to eight frequencies. What's that? It's on Spotify. It just like relaxes you immediately. It's not music. It's frequencies. Okay.

Cold plunging. A glass of spade and sparrows rosé. You're good. Just like I'm, I like very simple zen sanctuary-esque things. When it's time to work, I'll put my bootstrops on and work. But I'm like at home. I like a very, very calm, simple house. That's me too.

Mine would be like a candle and flowers. Like I'm the most basic bitch when it comes to simple things that make me happy. I'm like, fall on a pumpkin. I don't know. Yeah, like just little things. Like my fucking chia seed. Yeah. Gender tea.

But what's spilt? When I see that scrunchy go back and that hair start to get tied back from Lauren, I go. The do at it. I'm just kidding. No, I'm honestly very simple. I like the honestly, if you put me anywhere at any time and hand me a book, I'm happy. That's true. He is.

He loves a book. Like, I don't care where I am, what I'm doing. If you're just like, hey, you got 10, 15 minutes to just like read something. I'm good. Yes. What is the book I'm reading right now? The Code of the Extraordinary Mind. I've heard of it. I go check it out. Okay. I'm only like 30 pages in right now and I'm already like obsessed with it. Is it like a fiction? Nonfiction? It's basically what you were talking about how this guy broke the blueprint of what his parents were telling him to do and how he got his success and what got him there.

Oh, interesting. And it's phenomenal. I highly recommend. Buying it. Yeah. Right now. Influenced. Autonomy. I know I already said that. Autonomy is really important to me. To be to do whatever the fuck I want to do when I want to do it and not have to like do everyone else's to do list. Yeah. I don't really keep like a bucket list per se. I look at life a little bit differently.

Like I look at I look at my life in like phases. I'm like and I was talking about this earlier on a show. I'm like okay phase one was like okay you're going to go do these stupid things phase two. You're going to try like build a phase three's kids. Like I look I don't necessarily like have a bucket list because I and the reason being is I try there's a lot of things I want to do but I also am okay

not like constantly yearning for those things right like I try to ground myself a little bit more so that I'm not ever disappointed if it doesn't happen you've literally planned our vacations until 2025 and I do stuff like that the reason you don't have a bucket list is because the bucket's full I know but but you know what I mean I don't there's not like something I'm like oh I only like if I don't get that like I'm disappointed I try to like not live that way yeah yeah yeah I like that no I like no I like stuff I like to do but yeah no I just I have a list of things I want to do before I die but I don't. I'm like you. I'm like not going to beat myself up over it if I don't do it. Like what's an example of one thing? Um, like I really want to go on an African safari. That's definitely

something I want to do before I die. I'd like to do that too. I'm like, I'm like, um, what's it called? Like, Kirby enthusiasm like that. I'm like, so I would love to do all that. But then if I don't like, yeah. Yeah. That's good. That's good. I want to take my dad to Scotland to golf on his dream golf course. That would be cool. Yeah. A lot of things like that. I got to write my list before I die. Yeah. Do it. I will. When you put it on paper and you write a out, it's you hold yourself accountable. What is a book or show or movie that's had the biggest impact on you? A book, a show, a movie. I'm a huge, huge, huge reader like Michael. Michael reads more than me, but I love to read. The book that has had the biggest impact on me, it's so different

in each category. You want business, you want health, you want relationship. Okay, I want I want relationship. This is a weird one. Okay. the book that has had the biggest impact on my relationship I just finished it is men are from Mars, women are from Venus. I know. It really puts it into perspective. It really does. And it's so old school.

And there are things, because I listened to it on an audiobook and I was like getting mad at the guy at a time. But I think it's just because it was a man's voice telling me something. Yeah, you should have done half and half. Shut up. Yeah. But that's it. It really, it was when I was going through a breakup with Sean. I listened to it.

And I was like, holy. Shit. He knows him. It simplifies it. Yeah. Bethany Frankel's business book she just wrote is phenomenal. I was blown away. She's got a very, very, very smart mind when it comes to business. She really does. I mean, I was like, whoa. What's it called? Business is personal or business is personal? And I like started it and I was like, oh, I'll like read like, you know, 40 pages and then we'll see. And I read the whole book in like three days. It's really good. Yeah. Okay. Just like a juicy read. I just finished this book called Upper Cut. Okay. And it's about a celebrity hairstylist, and her life is fucking crazy. It's like all these celebrities that she encountered, what she learned, her sobriety. Like, it's a very, very good book. I would recommend it if someone like something juicy. I love juicy. God.

I mean, I'm reading right now The Slight Edge. I love it. Okay. It's a great book for business and just for life. Okay. Wow. I can go on and on and on. Are you writing this down?

Okay. I think Janice Dickinson's books, if you want juicy, no lifeguard on duty. Oh my God, that is a good book. Really? That is a fantastic book. You'll read it so quick. And then my last one, sorry, when breath becomes error, my sister just read it and she texts me and she goes, God, I love this book.

You were right. I've been telling her to read it for like six years. That's a good book. Okay. I'll give like a broad. So I tend to believe that older books, the classics are the best and that most new books can be, you know, you could find good things in them, but like most of them are regurgitations of a lot of things that are in the classics.

So, like, if you can go back and read, you know, books like the science of getting rich, think and grow rich, like, you know, how to win friends and influence, like, all these kind of things that, you know, they've been classic for a reason, some authors that have changed my life. Like, if you read stuff by Larry McMurtry or James Clavel, these are like very prolific writers, mostly in fiction, but they've, they tap into a lot of classics as well. And so I think, like, reading stuff like that, Lauren and I, like she said, we're big readers and we go into a lot of things.

But honestly, like for the greatest impact, the more, and the more I read, I'm like, if you just stuck to the classics and read those a few times over and over, especially like, and when I say classics, like, you can go into the business books or the great historical fictions or the great biographies, like, you know, something like Victor Frankel's Man Search for Meaning, like you will find the answers to life and those things. And I think a lot, nothing wrong with modern writers are amazing. But they're drawing from a lot of those. If you were to look at Robert Green. Robert Green. I was going to say any of his books. The artist deduction is a fantastic book. Laws of Human Nature. Mastery. He's an insane writer. I think also when people, I'll post a lot of books on my Instagram stories and people will message me and they'll be like, how do you have time to read? I was thinking the same thing.

I would say, why are you watching my Instagram story? Pick up a book. And honestly, what I do is I read 30 minutes in the morning and 30 minutes at night. You're in bed. I take my phone. I throw it across the room. I don't even want to fucking look at it. Here's the big thing, too,

and I think this comes from the modern school system is most people feel when they start a book, they have to finish it. And a lot of people won't quit books. It's like, well, I started this thing and then they're reading something they don't like. You could read the rest of your life every day of your life and not read even, you know, a percentage of what's out there in the world.

So I think if you're reading something and it sucks, throw it and grab something else. That's good. I have to say one more book. This has changed my life. The almanac. I'm saying that word wrong. The almanac. of Naval Ravicon.

Okay. Such a good book. That book, I literally look to every single day. That's a great book. And a little hot tip, if you're struggling with reading in the morning and night, get a Kindle. Really? That up my reading game. Really?

I hate a Kindle. I'm telling you. I like turning pages. But you like turning pages, but it's hard to go get the book and open the book. And here's the thing. I wake up at 2 in the morning sometimes, right? I can't open the book. Oh, that's fair.

So I can just, I literally sleep with my Kindle in my bed, put my phone away. And so I woke up last night at 2. I read for a half an hour. And then I woke up before the kids the other morning and I could read for a half an hour from 6.30 to 7 because it's like in my bed. It's hard when it's dark or you're winding down. Yeah, that's true. I would, that's, I would usually get to pick up my phone and start scrolling.

So might as well scroll a book. Might as well scroll a book and get a pop socket on the Kindle so it doesn't hurt your wrist. The Kindle is the move. You have the new one. Well, I also think the last thing I'll say about reading is for people that struggle with, like, with anxiety or depression or any kind of mental health disorder. What I like about reading is it immediately takes you out of your own perspective and puts you in somewhere else. And so, you know, some of the best ways to heal some of these issues is getting outside of yourself and it's hard to do. But if you read and you force yourself to read from somebody else's point of view, it automatically takes you out of your own head and puts you somewhere else.

I totally agree with that. It actually, I always say this, but it helps my anxiety if I'm feeling anxious and read, it like does that. and it helps my anxiety, like, tremendously. Last but not least, you have to confess something to me. Oh, God. Something embarrassing, something you want to get off your chest that has happened. I don't know. I'm sure you have something with being new parents a confession.

I have an old one. It's an oldie but goody. I've said it on the lady gang. Okay. So I want to. wanted to like control the narrative of what michael was served on instagram what i mean like i just wanted to control the narrative of what he was served like like his content okay for you page okay okay i get it at three in the morning i went on his phone and followed six thousand chihuahua accounts

chihuahua fan chihuahua lover chihuahua four chihuahua eight chihuahua 82 chihuahua underscore chihuahua for life followed all these things accounts at three in the morning Do you want a chihuahua? No, I wanted for you, Paige, to just be chihuahuas. So now he just gets served chihuahuas. Did he know this? Yeah, he knows this. I've admitted it.

I admitted it on the lady game. What was your, for you page? What was it before? It was like business and watches and like guy stuff, but I just wanted to just make shoole-hoes mostly. I just wanted to remind him of his life because he has two chihuahuas. Just chihuahuas. I'm trying to think, are you stuff like what's been embarrassing in

relationship or what's just been embarrassing in my life? Anything. Anything that comes to mind where you're like, ooh, that was really embarrassing. Oh. Besides being caught in the closet. Yeah. So that was more terrifying than embarrassing. What's been embarrassing? You're so clean. It's like so hard. What's embarrassing? I know what's embarrassing. Tell me. You did the cold plunge the other day and you came out of the cold plunge and you showed me your dick and it was literally in your body. Well, see, but here's a thing. He has a great penis, but it's like the dick was like literally up in your belly I guess what I showed you I wasn't embarrassed I was just like wow I'm like look at this thing look what happened to it I mean listen that thing like really like it gets tight in there once you go

into that I mean let me tell you boys when you go in that cold plunge be prepared I mean to have an inverted like man gina I don't get that I don't really get like I'm trying to think about like the last time I was actually embarrassed I mean I do a lot of embarrassing things but that's I feel the same way like it's really hard to embarrass me and every time I try and think of a confession I'm like I'm not really embarrassed about it but this could be like we took off on the plane the other day and my tampons rolled all out of my purse down the plane and I was like

I get my period like spoiler or easy going. So we've been doing stuff like this for such a long time so of you and I feel like if it's all been out there and so now I'm trying to think of like okay when am I been embarrassed but we've barred so like I mean we've talked

about our sex life and anal and so I'm like God like what am I embarrassed of maybe that's not a good thing maybe I should be more embarrassed okay well something that just go with the inverted penis I think in college I was in a kilt and I almost shit myself a little bit.

I did shit myself a little bit and had to run home from the party. That was kind of embarrassing. There I wasn't with them in college. I would never have let him more in a kilk. Not that there's anything wrong with that. He's just not a kilt kind of guy. Yeah, we're pretty open books. Yeah, that's fair.

You had an inverted penis. Okay, that's good. Follow Chihuahua accounts on your boyfriend's account. The balls were in my throat. I would love to know it's on Jason's search account. Mine's all like Botox and Bachelor people. Go look. And Megan Fox.

Follow like, go and follow like something really random for him. I'm just giving you random things. to follow like you could follow like Milton Bradley games on his on his on his Instagram so all that he served is just like board games I'm I feel like all Jason would be served as like numbers business opportunities and numbers yeah I mean he is a smart guy with very smart yeah very smart I could tell everybody where they can listen to your podcast that we just finished because that was a fun episode that was a fun episode Caitlin was amazing she's been on three times it's the skinny confidential him and her podcast and if you want I

want to give away pink balls and the ice roller you tell that you you make it up what to do okay well let's do what you did because i like that idea so what are they going to what's the giveaway they are going to win pink balls a facial massager that i'm giving you it's going to sculpt i've wanted that okay i know we're like communicating i just saw i forgot to send you one but i sent you an ice roller right yes i use it all the time i have it in my bag ice roller and pink balls the only balls you want on your face all you have to do is follow at lauren bostick and the skinny confidential. Yes, and you will be entered to win if you comment on

my Instagram, your favorite part of this episode. Love it. Yeah, I like this. And Michael's just No, no, for me, I think. Don't follow Michael. It's all chihuahuas. No, no. For me, I think like any, obviously, the skinny confidential him and her and then anything at the Dear Media Podcast Network. We're doing a lot of stuff over there. Yeah, you guys are doing a lot of stuff. It's awesome. Thank you. Yeah, you both have done a really great job. And your branding for your stuff is just incredible. Thanks, Canada. I'm really.

And you're rosé. You guys are just drink a glass. It's dry. It's crisp. Go get it, guys. It's delicious. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. I'm Caitlin Bristow. I'll see you next Tuesday.

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