Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Lisa Donovan: Astrology is the blueprint of your life

Episode Date: June 22, 2021

Lisa Donovan, Founder of the eerily accurate Astrology app, The Pattern, was unknowingly a part of Jason’s secret proposal plan because she was scheduled as a guest on the podcast for that day and then cancelled without Kaitlyn knowing so that he could fulfill his proposal master plan. If you haven’t listened to the proposal episode, you need to so you hear how Lisa was worked into it! But FINALLY Lisa joins Kaitlyn and Jason to read their individual charts using only their birth date, birth location and birth time… and the discoveries have both Kaitlyn and Jason (no longer a skeptic after this interview) speechless to the point that they have to remind themselves they are recording a podcast! Lisa also reads their relationship compatibility and discovers they are a very “rare couple” with “interesting compatibility” - one of them is a “wild card” and the other one is a “healer”.  You can find The Pattern on IG at @thepattern and download here: https://app.thepattern.com/otv CROCS - If you want to be comfortable all day long, head to crocs.com to get your pair today. APARTMENTS.COM - Go to apartments.com. The most popular place to find a place. BOLL & BRANCH - Listeners get an exclusive 15% off your first set of sheets with promo code VINE15 at bollandbranch.com EUROPEAN WAX CENTER - Visit waxcenter.com and book your reservation today. All first-time guests get their first first wax free! GEICO - Go to geico.com... See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Let's go. Hey, ramen, Pino, ready for the show. Everyone's welcome. So come on in because OTV. It's about to begin, eh. All right, welcome to Off the Vine. I'm your host, Kate Lavernesso, here with my fiancee. What's up, everybody?

We haven't really been able to introduce, like, I haven't said fiancé very often. This is the first time I've been on the podcast, I think, since I proposed. That's crazy. I know. Fiance. Anyways, today is a really fun episode because it brings Jason's secret proposal plan in our engagement full circle. So, yes, I have two guests, my main squeeze honey bun fiancé.

I can't say fiance, Jason, but most of the hype has faded, and I want to keep it going. And then also with us today is a woman who is part of Jason's secret proposal, and she didn't even know it. If you haven't listened to the proposal episode, you obviously will be out of the loop on this. But based on the downloads of that one, I'm going to assume that everyone listened. I'm literally just going to repeat what my intro was for the pretend episode when I thought she was coming on, but then my mind got blown with a proposal. So we have the creator of the app, the pattern, Lisa Donovan on the pod today. The pattern is an astrology app that uses a proprietary algorithm to provide you with information about yourself and those around you simply through creating a profile for each individual.

And you can see how compatible you are with someone else as well. And you guys, was that not the most eerily accurate thing you've ever done? I was a skeptic and you got to listen because I think she... You're not a skeptic anymore. No. And then the pattern launched their brand new. dating function called Connect, which is a special way to find a relationship as it requires you to run a bond with your match before you communicate. That's so interesting. I mean, I do wish they

had these back of the day, but then I might have been scooped up by now. Kind of glad you didn't. Yeah. But it's so interesting. She's a ball of knowledge when it comes to astrology and going much deeper than just like your horoscope. Yeah, and I think she explains kind of the astrology and then also just digs into the specifics of like what it all means and why. She got very specific on you and I individually and as a couple and I'm like, I feel like I even know you better now. Bulls, I should nailed it. Nailed it. Why is it that still after like a year of using Zoom, I screw it up?

Oh my gosh. Okay, so you didn't hear me say that you have the most fabulous glowing skin I've ever seen in my life. Oh, thank you. I didn't hear that. So thank you for repeating that. I've been waiting weeks to meet you for this compatibility reading, which is so funny because do you know the story, like how you were supposed to be in the, but you probably thought our team was so flaky because we like had to bail last second because it turned into an

engagement and there was, like you were supposed to be the guest and I was like, hello, bring her on. And then it turned into engagement. Did you know that? Yeah, I was sent the, you know, the marketing folks sent me the video and then mentioning I was about to come on. And I was like, oh, wow, am I going to be on? you know, they were like, but yeah, I felt so bad after because because it had to be so secretive, we couldn't tell you or like, even my team, even my team didn't know. So they were like, wait, why are we, everything was set up? She was ready to go. We're like, we'll tell you in a second. So I had no idea, but I was really looking forward to it. So now I'm really looking

forward to it. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you for your patience and everything. I can't wait to talk about this app. It's so wild. Just tell us, obviously, for everyone listening, what it is. kind of maybe a bit about your background. Sure. I started a long time ago as a YouTube content creator actually, like 2005 when like YouTube started and nobody had any idea. Would you do skincare routines? Yeah, I should have. I actually wanted of doing, I did like pop culture parody things, but at one point I would do like parodies of the makeup gurus. Oh, that was one of my favorite things. Anyway, yeah, yeah, I started. It was an odd choice at the time. Nobody understood why I was on YouTube. It made absolutely no sense. But I was into it. You know, I had this.

audience but it was kind of a grind because there wasn't it wasn't monetizing and yeah i did it for three years and um that was basically the inspiration for co-founding the company i co-founded co-maker studios into 2009 brought a bunch of youtube content creators to los angeles i had the credit so i got a bunch of leases in my name move people out went into like tons of debt went all in on the studio and right place right time wow you know just wound up learning about business i want to be this youtube content creator and learning about running this business and it just grew and grew and did that for five years and wound up selling that to Disney in 2014 and it was just wild crazy ride huge yeah yeah it was it was that's like a whole other podcast but that was that was an amazing experience and then leading up to that

that sort of year my life sort of took there's a lot of changes very quickly that sort of shattered my understanding of what my life was how I thought of myself my ego my personality, all that kind of stuff, very quickly in terms of the relationships. I had, you know, my family members, my father got sick, you know, where I was living, where I was working, everything changed very quickly. And I started seeking, searching, wound up having my first astrology reading. And I was not somebody who had probably been into astrology, maybe more of a skeptic. But again, my life had changed and I was open and I didn't realize I had no answers to anything. I was like maybe somebody else says. Yeah. And I had this reading. And it kind of

of blew me away because it was more of a psychological breakdown of who I was. It wasn't so much like new agey or cheesy or right. He was really kind of holding a mirror up to me and align me to take responsibility for myself, you know. Yeah. And I got really into it. And it was an incredible tool at this very challenging time. And that's when I was like, oh, hey, maybe I should figure out a way to basically mimic my experience, create this experience, but put it into an app, so scalable, which I thought would be easy, and it wasn't. That was seven years ago. I mean, I don't know what I was thinking.

But I wound up, you know, I had this astrologer. I wound up following him around the world and just getting him to like sit down with me for like a week at a time, be like, can I start asking you things and extracting the information, started creating the system, started writing the content. And again, my father got sick. I wound up after selling the company moving home. And then he passed. And then I was with my mom for a year.

And so I wound up living in my childhood bedroom, writing all this content sort of obsessively. It was sort of a emotionally cathartic time as well. And it was sort of my salvation. And that's what I do, right? For 10 hours a day. I had no other life. Eat dinner with mom. Johnny Carson reruns right again.

You know, I just did that. And then, you know, I was in this, we were in this small beta and I don't know, 25 to 50 people in this beta, people we know, again, just testing it. I wanted it to be perfect and I was obsessive about it. And then I woke up one day and there's 30,000 people on the server and, you know, it was like that thing. People just found it and shared it and we're having this emotional, you know, experience with it. And we've grown completely organically all word of mouth with no marketing, no PR. This is our first foray into this. It's like I did my first podcast a few weeks ago.

And really, and I love that, that nobody knew where it was from. And it was sort of this funny mystery, you know, and anyway, here we are. So, first of all, I just want to rewind a little bit because you said the business thing, you're like, that's for a whole other podcast. That would probably be good for your podcast. Jason has a podcast. Tell her what your podcast is because I think that would be really interesting. Yeah, so the podcast is called Trading Secrets and the whole ideas we're trying to break the stigma

about money conversations, good, bad, and ugly, how companies came to where they are, what people make. Like, really, my whole theory is that, like, the reason we don't talk about money, and what we're making is because in the system that really behooves the people at top. And the more information we have about how things were done and the way they were done, I think the better off we can all kind of like navigate our careers financially, personally and professionally. So yeah, that's what a wild story. So cool to hear about it.

Yeah, that is really interesting. I didn't know that background. And do you know Penny Thow? Yeah. Okay. So Penny is one of my best friends and her sister, Shana, like I was in her wedding party. and she's how I learned about your app years ago. Like when it first came out, she was like,

and I remember being like, this is wild. And then I saw that Channing Tatum was like, who the hell are these patterned people and how did they get in my head? Like that video obviously went so viral. Were you like, holy shit, Channing Tatum? And have you talked to him? Totally.

We went up talking after and meeting and he became an investor and he's just the best. That's freaking awesome. She says, yeah, and Penny was one of the first people on it. She's awesome and she's telling everybody about it. Yeah, Penny's so helpful with word of mouth because she knows so many people. And if Penny tells you to do something, you do it because it's usually a good idea, she's helped me through so much, like navigate so many things.

So Channing Tatum is an investor now from a user to now investor. Yeah. Wow. And that's awesome. Yeah, that's really cool. You watch that video, right? Oh, yeah. Unreal.

That's amazing. How, you must be so proud. of where it started to where it is today and just like the fact that you can use astrology to like help people find out more of who they are. And Jason and I were talking about this other day with therapy even. Like why would you not go to therapy or like, you know, you have one life. Why would you not want to get to know who you are, your identity? And astrology can be such a big part of that.

So you were never into astrology before that. It was a kind of like a aha moment for you. I wasn't. I don't think I understood the death. of it, you know, because I think we think of it as sun sign astrology, which is kind of bullshit, you know, it's like not everybody born in the month of April is going to have the same day. Yeah. That makes no sense, right? And it's really about the specifics. It's about like the moment of your birth. And then you're getting into real like psychological dynamics and sort of

the pattern of your life. And that was what was amazing too when I was building it everywhere I'd go, I'd have to do somebody's chart. I mean, literally, I mean, the waitress and the yeah cat driver and the nerd it didn't matter because I was you know wanting to test it and understand it every single person it didn't matter age race gender everybody wants to feel seen and understood and recognized you know and I think that is the heart of what the pattern is it's really just trying to make you feel seen and that you're here and we see you and you know it's it's not even about like teaching you astrology we don't have astrology symbols in it we don't use the astrology language we just make it really accessible because

I just want people to have the wisdom behind it. Absolutely. Real quick, full disclosure. I'm a little bit of a skeptic. So a real buzzkill there. It's not. You're my favorite type of people. I bet.

So that's where there's where like my drill down questions are going to be. Tell me more, because I completely believe in that. I don't think that every person born on October 10th are the same people. Yeah, yeah. But then you made a comment, it's not about. the day it's about the moment what exactly does that mean it's it's it's about the exact day year moment of your birth so we think of it meaning the idea that everybody born in the month of october is not going to have the same life experience we're talking about like the second of your

birth we think of it as above so below so what where the planets are in the sky at the time of your birth you are the creative expression of that single moment in time that there is an impact that you are on this planet we're being impacted by things So where was the moon in the sky at the moment of your birth? Let's say for you, for example, it was an Ares, right? So we're saying that is going to impact you. That's telling me a little bit about archetypally who you are, the kind of energies that you carry. And I don't think of it as predictive.

I mean, there's all kinds of astrology. I'm not into like predictive astrology or this is what's going to happen or this isn't what's going to happen. All I know is that you're sort of faded to deal with certain energy. like your fate to deal with a certain height or hair color or something how you choose to deal with that is your destiny it's your choice somebody with your exact same chart will have a completely different life experience because they've chosen differently so ideally when we talk today there's i'm not telling you anything you don't know it's just talking about dynamics that exists maybe in your life okay one more question she's gonna do a birth chart reading for us oh amazing okay so this is if you don't know

the answer this i totally get it it's like a ridiculous question but i'm thinking of like a number perspective. Is there like an average of how often people are born on the same day and second that would have the same reading? That is such a good question. And I would like to get, I would like to know that. And I'm kind of annoyed. I don't know that right. I would like to find that. I mean, that's probably just how many people are born every set. I mean, that's probably something you can just Google. Just look at them out. Every. Yes. It would. You did a follow up podcast. Yeah. where you met someone that was born the same day and the same second to see how these correlates.

I would like love that too if you could connect with people that way of the powder, you know, because it is about like you'll, there will be so many things that are similar. I mean, you're really talking about somebody who's dealing with the same dynamics and there's such a understanding,

but how you've chosen to live your life could be very different. It's like the twin you never had. Whoa. Wait, everyone listening, if you were born June 19th, 1985 at 732 in the morning. Call me.

Right, right in. Oh, that, yeah, I was like, I would love to hear. That would be actually wild. That's a good idea. And then you guys started a brand new dating function called Connect, a way to find your most compatible romantic match. So what does it mean that it requires you to run a bond with your match before you can communicate?

Right. So we're just in this kind of beta phase of what's called Connect. then it's a feature within the app. So again, we are the pattern. So it's a feature within the pattern. Yes. If you have no interest in it, you wouldn't even notice it. It's just a button on the app.

If you are interested, you go in and you, you know, enter connect. And the idea is, you know, dating with depth to connect with people in a deeper way. So instead of just swiping and seeing somebody you think is attractive and liking them and chatting, first you have to run the bond, which is sort of the compatibility feature. So again, we. don't want to make judgments there's no good or bad it's just giving you context to your relationship right right away so when you're connecting with somebody maybe you have this extraordinary bond with them and you want to talk about that so you have you have like a foil for discussion with this person

and context of the relationship so smart like the uh have you seen what was that show we watch the dating show where it was like everybody's telling me about it the one yeah like the DNA one or so Yeah, yeah, I haven't seen it yet. Oh, you have to watch it. Yeah, it's so interesting, but I always want to know if people would do that. If you were already with your husband and you found this app that has, this is actually the one, nope, this is the one you're supposed to be with this is your, like, most compatible match, would you take the test? Do it. Would you?

I know. I mean, I have to, it's like, why do they decide who's the one? They just have, they just know it. You're supposed to go with it and be like, they know who is the one. Well, you have to watch. I have to watch it. Yeah, there's so many layers to it because even if, like, that person might have some really bad, dark baggage, but they're still meant to be your person and you, like, have this connection with them, like, you can't even describe, but they still have all their other issues that you have to deal with. So it's, it's kind of fascinating, but I always want to know if people would do that.

I mean, I like to try everything once. There you go. I know. How could you go living your life being like, you got my first. It's out there. I don't know. I'm freaking out. And then that's the thing.

Is there one person? Like, which I would argue, there's many and every relationship's, you know, valuable. But that, that is the premise for a great TV show. Yeah. Absolutely. Have you guys, you guys just launched this, what, a few weeks ago? Yeah. And really just beta.

So it's only in certain select states and just, it's, you know, it's been pretty cool. Just, you know, watching and, you know, tweaking things, changing things. But we'll be, we'll be full out in July. So you first read the energy. And then before you read the energy. you'll have access to then look at their profile and pictures. No, no, no, other way around. So you get to, you know, so you get to slide through and you look at somebody,

you find them attractive. And you're like, okay, let me run our, before I can talk to you and like you, I have to run the bond. So I have to, you know, go through a little bit of understanding this relationship and then connect from there. It's actually really good for guys because there's also an option to basically show women, you know, because mostly women get hit up on dating apps, you know, so it's the guys that have to sort of do the work.

So it's saying like, look, we have, we're soulmates to somebody you might, otherwise have passed on. They kind of get a second chance to be like, look, really has great connection. That warms my heart. I love love and like the romance of like that one that maybe got away and you didn't even know, but now here they are and they might just like, you know. That'd be good if there was like, I feel like I often hear women will like screenshot their, they're like a dating app. And the guy is just like a complete douchebag, right? that he's great if there was like a bond that's like this guy's a douchebag don't know but sometimes guys look like a douchebag and they might need that second chance and you're like I just look like one I'm not actually one yeah yeah yeah and so there's lovable douchees out there have you heard have you heard of any like success stories yet no I mean this is we're talking like two weeks ago of just letting in a few beta but yeah I mean I but I expect some to be coming to absolutely We're full out there and available.

The first Trista and Ryan of the dating app. Yeah. That's true. Maybe you're on the whole series here. Yeah. Wait. They're going to make a movie or a TV show about this. And then you can hope that.

Yeah. She's like, yes. Everybody's settled down. It's still like, spend two weeks. Call Penny. Yeah, exactly. If anyone's going to make it happen, it'll be Penny. Okay, so basically all the information you have from us is our birthday.

date, our birth location, and our birth time. Yeah. And I'm, again, I've used this app. Penny told me about it so many years ago and I've just been baffled by it. So we found out we were compatible when we did the test the last time. Remember, we did it on the podcast? Oh, yeah. Which is funny because... Oh, my God. That was so, so tough. But we were doing a compatibility test. We took the test. And I was like, literally, I was like, thank God we found out we're compatible. That's good news. And then he proposed. Like, imagine we found out on that podcast, like,

hmm, not so much. And here's my confession for this podcast is that day, and it's not that great of a confession, but that day I'm proposing, right? So I have a whole plan with Caitlin's manager, how this is going to go, the way it's going to go. I'm freaking out about the details,

planning the rest of the day, the whole nine yards. And then, like, literally we're talking like 60 minutes before the podcast. I go over the itinerary with Cleo, Caitlin's manager. And she's like, yes, we'll go podcast for like 30 minutes. And then we'll bring on the guest.

And I was like, excuse me? She's like, yeah, like we actually need a segment here like you have to podcast for 30 minutes I thought like well I'm gonna like you know two seconds Caitlin does the intro boom and I could go into it so for 30 minutes that whole podcast my heart's like going 100 miles beats per minute trying to figure it out and Caitlin's trying to do this compatibility test with me and I'm like oh my god oh my god you're not even paying attention I'm literally hyperventilating waiting for like the time so this is like a refresh for me I could focus it feels good that's oh my god that sounds like torture

Did you even pay attention? Like, you couldn't even pay attention. I was freaking out the whole time. And the best part about it was the only thing I had, I had like thoughts of things I wanted to say, but the only thing I had memorized was when Caitlin was going to bring you on as the guest was to say, the only thing,

Caitlin, there's no guest today. Caitlin, that's it. That's all I had to do. And so we're podcasting for 30 minutes. My brain, I can't focus. And Caitlin, like, all right, we're going to bring on our guests. And she's like, all right. She says your name.

I'm like, let's bring on Lisa Donner. of it. That's my cue. The only thing memorized. Crazy. I'm like wedged into this in this random crazy way. And my only cue. Caitlin, there is no guest. So she says it. And there's this delay. And Cleo's on the other line like supposed to be listening in. And Cleo's like, oh, shit. Jason, I didn't go over this part. Like, what if he doesn't like come in at this point? And so she's like, Cleop, can you bring on the guest, please? We'd appreciate it. So I get up and I have my recorder because I still have yet to utter the words, there is no guest my only line

and Caitlin thinks that I was like panicking because I didn't hit record she said you didn't hit record and she's like all right don't worry about it and then finally after like what felt like an eternity yeah Caitlin there is no guest yeah I didn't realize I had a podcast for 30 minutes before that's incredible I'm like

I feel like honored to like oh yeah you're in you're that back in the middle of it you're a big part of it you're a big part of engagement story so it's amazing and there's word of mouth for you wait I just had a quote I have a thought could you meet I just had a quote I have a thought could you match make celebrities if you knew their birth chart and be like hey you guys should get together and see what happens I mean get chanting on that yeah that's right yeah we should

I'm sure. I mean, you can, you can look at anybody start together. And this is again where we don't want to be like, this is good or this is bad. Right. Everything, you know, and sometimes things that seem like they could be challenging because of those people and the choices they've made, they're not, you know. So, but yeah, certainly you can like put people together in ways that, okay, there's going to be less problems here. Right. Wow. Yeah, for sure. So fascinating. Okay. I'm excited for you to read our birth charts. yeah so okay so we'll do you first shall we and then we'll talk about you guys together so first we'll do individual i've such a literal guy just so i think that the idea idea here for anyone that doesn't understand is that the second you are born there are certain like degrees and levels in which the universe is kind of aligned and that is correlated to the energy that you're given when you are born is that my yeah that there's it's sort of a blueprint of your life that that energy where everything is in the sky has an impact and an imprint on you. Okay.

That you are on this, you know, earth and a part of it and that there's energetic impact on you. And it's sort of setting a blueprint for your life, the sort of conscious way forward. You know, again, we spend a lot of time comparing ourselves. We grow up in certain families, cultures. I like to think of it as, you know, this is sort of the authentic souls journey, but we might spend a lot of time creating an ego and a personality that's like doing something that's the opposite.

it. And I think that's where we run into a lot of pain and frustration. And this is like, hopefully just says a couple things that resonate with you. And you're like, yeah, no, I know. That is me. I can stop trying to be that. Yeah, I know that. I know that's me. You know, that it resonates in sort of a deeper place in you, you know, annoying within you. That's how we look at it. I'm here now. I'm here now. I've arrived. So, Caitlin, so, you know, one of the things that we first look at is your moon, and that changes sign every two and a half days. So we'd say that's a lot more specific than the sun sign. And we look at the moon as sort of your lineage. It's as though you've lived many lifetimes being this moon. So you're coming into this life, really an expert

in that kind of energy. That sort of energy, almost like archetype, you know, and that and yours is in the sign of cancer. And wait, do you know anything about astrology? Or have you had a little bit, but not. Okay, not really. Yeah. Okay. So yours is in the sign of cancer. And archetypally, we say that's like the mother, that's the nurturer, that's the caretaker. So we'd say you're coming in very sensitive, very caring, very nurturing. You also have what's called Neptune to it. So it's like you're picking up all the energy around you.

You're really impacted by your environment. You feel everybody, you feel their pain. It's a very sort of sensitive and hierarchical. Like it wants to be the giver to other people and often find like, like almost like it's their job to be sort of the giver and the caretaker. And usually when you have sort of cancer moon like that, you want to talk to them about boundaries and making sure that they learn about boundaries because the giving can sort of be second nature where you can lose yourself in it

or you give to the wrong people, right? Because because you don't know when to stop because that's how you feel you're supposed to express yourself. What's really cool about your chart though, your Venus, we'd say your feminine energy, the woman that you are, is in the sign of Taurus. So it's a great balance to cancer because Taurus is the receiver. So we'd say you're coming into this life, only knowing about being a giver, but part of your journey is, is exactly like grounding, like cancer is water and it's fluid and it's emotional and it's merging with everybody. Taurus is grounded. It's solid. It's very confident. It's very in the body, knows its boundaries, knows it's worth. So we'd say what you were meant to,

learn about is that like feeling confident feeling good in the body feeling like you're enough and receiving so you know sometimes with a cancer moon that that's a challenging thing they like to be the giver but i'd be curious in this where i'm going to ask you yeah i don't know where you are in your life journey you know did you used to struggle with being an overgiver were you able to sort of become that tourist very quickly were you able to balance giving and receiving is that a struggle for you to be somebody who is a receiver i'm i could work on giving so you're more of the tourists oh how interesting so you're much more of the receiver oh yeah you're much you you really went for the tourists okay yes yes yes good for you i would confirm yeah okay oh my god

that's amazing that's really good um because usually with this kind of chart and this is again where people i don't know you know so they sometimes struggle stepping into that we say that's like really a huge part of why you're here is to be somebody who is and it sounds like you already are like I was saying really confident in the body like I know my worth I'm here to receive like I'm here to be given to and I'm grounded in that and like extremely confident in that sense yeah and you sort of identify with that it sounds like mm-hmm very much so so you struggle with giving yes that's so interesting okay I wonder why yeah I think it's like protection like even like even early on relationship and still to, I think this day, like some parts of the state, like,

even showing sometimes that like love and like are like ways of like coming up and like giving you a big kiss or something. Like I think you are careful with what you give to protect yourself as what is my guess. Yeah. I do think that. Because we'd say with that cancer moon, you are very sensitive. So this might. Yeah, you're very sensitive.

Okay. So that part of it you relate to. Yeah. So in that sense, too, sometimes this happens. Usually there's a complex with it, but sometimes that happens where the sensitivity is extreme that you shut off from it because you don't want to get hurt because that sensitivity is too. Yeah. It's too much. And with the tourists there. Okay. So so you're somebody who you're not going to show it. You're not going to just give it away. It's like you better. That's really good. That's that's the rule of tourists. You know, Torres moon knows how to do that right away. Sounds like you, you jumped in. that you know you're worth and it's like you come get me yes that is great fantastic because that's that we think of tourists is like the honey and it's like the bee comes to you uh-huh I'm amazing I'm sweet you if you want you have to come here and you have to prove that you're worth my time I'm the worker bee and you're the worker bee oh there we go I love it so true that's great that's funny and I love that but you feel like underneath it it's also because that would be too scary in a way

yes to show your vulnerability or to put it out there but would i i mean did you do you want to be a mother is that oh yes yeah like i would think that desire is in there because you're a cancer moon it's like so natural i feel like i was put on this planet to be a mother okay yeah that's it is the mother archetype it's pretty natural in you that combo i would say also cancer and tors super feminine just it's a very feminine mother earth vibe what's interesting about you you're born at 732 a.m. You're also a cancer rising. So you have a cancer Mars, you have cancer Mercury, cancer moon.

So there's a lot of... Can I ask what that means? Cancer is the... Cancer Mars, Cancer Moon. What does that mean? Yeah. So the moon is the one we were talking about. That's sort of the lineage. It's sort of how she's come into this life. So she has like this natural, you know, the instinct to be the mother, extreme sensitivity. And then we combine it with this tourist, which is somebody who's very much, like, confident.

and you come to me and bring me the attention. And then we're saying her destiny is also cancer. So we're saying you're also here, I would say for sure, to be a mother, a mother of something. You know what I mean? So if it wasn't children, I'd say you'd have, you know, is it animals? Is it a company? But there's something and some desire in you to nurture something and create something.

Yes. And it sounds like it is babies. And you know that. So I would imagine, yeah, looking at this, there's so much what we call it, cancer archetype in her chart that that would be a huge part of your life and and rightly so this is definitely your destiny and it seems like you're on your way. I feel like I've lived so many lives and that this is the one is like I feel like this is my last one. And I'm here. Do you? Yeah. I do. What made you say that? I just feel like I keep like I have really like vivid dreams and I just have

this like feeling inside of me that I've lived all these lives that I keep being so. afraid of something specific and there's like i i feel real feelings to that specific idea like i've been here before and this has happened before but it didn't go the way i wanted it to and i question why all these good things happened to me and i feel like it's because i've lived so many lives and this is like where i'm supposed to be now right cancer again it's super sensitive there can be like a mystical quality to it you have also it's called neptune on your whole chart and that is this sort of mystical dreamy spiritual thing so like you have dreams or intuition or vision that's a big part of your life big certainly big and dreamer and it's it's like this

yeah it's sort of this spiritual element too so you have that yeah yes she's like every it's the why i've never seen anything like this in my life every night she wakes up or every after sleeping every every morning and she has an insanely vivid dream like remembers every single But even the production value of my dreams are insane. Like, I will have a whole cast in a play, and I will remember every detail on their costume and, like, eye color. Like, I can, it's, like, so overwhelming when I think about my dreams. And also, I'm very intuitive.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And that's Neptune. It's like, always listen to your intuition. I imagine if you haven't, it felt terrible. Yes. Yeah. And do you tend to do that?

Did you naturally always follow it? Yes. I've, I follow my intuition more than most, I would say. Yeah. Yeah. Because that, this chart, you just have Neptune over. It's just so much water. It's so tuned in.

Yeah. To things. And it's picking up everything around you. So that's great. Yeah. Relationships would be a struggle. Yeah. And you're at the age now where it would be, this is the time.

Because we'd say with it, with this complex on your chart, like it's not going to happen at 22, you know. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Relationships were not, not easy. Yeah. Yeah. You had your Mars, what we call it.

That's sort of the relationship piece of your chart. It was hidden behind the sun when you were born. So we'd say it was in the underworld. So that there was going to be experiences of you having to go to the underworld in relationship. Overwhelming experiences, irrational, unexplainable, painful. The whole point is to get you to learn to love yourself unconditionally, not need another. You can be on your own. And then the person comes in.

What's so fascinating. That is literally what happened in my moment. What's so wild. about that is early on in our relationship obviously we would talk about like what's brought us to where we're at and Caitlin would say a lot over and over there are times in my life I think I'm just meant to be alone like I'm not I'm not supposed to be with anyone else but one of the and I was okay with that like I was at yes with it you're like I feel like I'm reached a point in my life like financially everything professionally that like I can I worked on myself so much I just

felt like I was happy and in love with who I was as a person like I was like I'm solid and like You were done putting in equity with other people's, like, needing someone else to provide that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. The codependent. You didn't need that you became, you didn't need to be codependent. You need to find your value or your worth outside of yourself. I mean, that's it.

That is the answer to having this kind of a complex, to be in a place for you. Like, I love myself. I love my life. And I can do this with or without somebody. If you want to come with me, come with me. But I don't need you. So that's great. Oh, congratulations.

Yeah. Thanks. Because not everybody's not the work. you know. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh. So that I preach to people all the time do the work, do the work. Do the work. It's so impactful. Yeah. It's so impactful. Yeah. You preach that for me all the time. Yes. Oh my gosh. I do everything to work on myself. And that's, I tell Jason all the time because he's, Jason's one of the smartest people I've ever known. And I'm like, oh my gosh, get to know yourself. Like get in there. Because you're so good at helping other people and doing like outside of things. But I'm like, you've got to get in there. Like you're just starting therapy kind of thing. Are you. never done it before kind of thing i only did there was one time i did it because i was having like these like panics because of all like work and school or there's just i had too much on my plate in my 20s and my body was just like like irrationally um reacting to it but since then i never went to therapy actually like dig into like the depth and katelyn kind of like pushed me to go and i

went and now i'm like i love therapy so i mean i talk about it with my buddies like i was just on a faster party and like we're sitting in the room having drinks i'm like telling them all called all my therapist, which I find so hot. I'm like, when he came out of therapy, he goes, oh, I loved that. I got to know so much about myself. And I was like, mm, that's hot. You did say it. It is.

It's not sexy to be the, like, guy that doesn't want to know about it. No. It's like, oh, man, all right. No, it's about that. It's about being open and communicating and having that. That, that. So that's amazing. Okay, so should we jump over and talk about chasing a little bit?

Yes. Okay, so you, you are coming in, like we're talking about, the moon is a lineage. It's where you've come from. And so you've lived many lifetimes as the moon. And yours is in the sign of Aries, which we brought up earlier. So Ares is like the warrior, the protector, it's fire, it's action, it wants to know the goal, it wants to, you know, it's, what's, it's very committed to. It's like, here's the goal. I'm going to reach the goal. Very black and white. You know, it's sort of the, the modern day warrior, you know, a lot of professional athletes. I'd say most of like really good ones have areas somewhere in their chart. You know what? It's like that very like, okay, what is the goal? I will reach it. It's not overthinking. It's just like this is once it knows the goal. And then it's hard to sometimes get off that path. You know, this is with, with areas, it can be stuck on the wrong path potentially because you're like, I will not stop. until until I'm done here.

You know, it's very archetypally, like I said, that sort of warrior alpha kind of energy. What is so fascinating about your chart is your Mars, your masculine energy, is in the complete opposite sign. It's in the sign of Pisces, which is the most sensitive, intuitive, like connected. You know, it's like the mother Teresa much, you know, it's just loving and to all, you know, to everybody. It's just like a really kind, sensitive soul, right? The Aries and Pisces, if they were individual people, wouldn't like each other or get each other. There can be a conflict within yourself

of, you know, being very like, this is how it is and Black Whitehorse, like the emotional side. And it's really about that. So it's so great hearing what you're saying, that bringing therapy or opening up to these kinds of things, because it's really about opening your heart. It's a path to sort of open your heart. And it's, it is sort of connecting. in a deeper place. Do you relate to any of this so far? Oh, all of it.

I relate to all of it. Yeah, I think all that's, what's interesting is, as you say that, I think about like my business life and personal life. My business life is their professional life, is outrageously focused.

It's almost like a different personality, honestly, the way I talk, the way, the way I coach everything. And then when I take the, like, the business or professional hat off, I would say that relates very much what you said.

Yeah, yeah. The issue, I think becomes balancing those sometimes and being able to take in the fully focused hat like hey put that down and focus on like this now like you're at dinner and it's not about what you were doing all day it's about you know our kids are like having a kid or like buying an ex home it's like separate the yeah right completely yeah and that's the alchemy of your life that's sort of the journey of it how do you merge these things because sometimes it could get really divided like you said but you can bring both

what's very interesting you have a complex that's called Saturn and Saturn is a sense or feeling of deficiency maybe from as early as you can remember just like that you are not enough and you must prove your worth that you just being you is unacceptable and that you know you have to be better you have to prove it and whether it's a father a culture or a business I will reach this goal and then everything will be solved and everything will be okay and that will be great but of course you reach that goal and it doesn't change that because it's a psychological thing I have Saturn. I relate to this so much, so it's not good or bad. But we say, you know, and a lot of the most successful ambitious people in the world have Saturn, but it is coming from a place of

deficiency. I will prove this. You know, I will build this business. I'll do it. And then I will be worth something. And that's, of course, ridiculous. Because it doesn't matter how much you prove or check the box or do the thing, that feeling of not being enough low is be there unless you address that. And it's a path of learning to love yourself. all those trappings of the money or the this or the goal or the thing or the camera yeah i don't know how do you how do you feel about that i mean that's yeah it's literally my entire life i think that yeah i continue to uh it goes back to the goal setting right i set the goals um with the motivation of proving that i can't or can't right the deficiency is the

is so spot on and thinking that achieving that goal will satisfy that deficiency but then one of the big issues become that I work on is, you know, then comparing it to the next thing. And it's like, when is enough enough? It never ends. You do one thing. And then it's not, and the one thing I'm trying to do more is like celebrate that and take it in. But for me, it's not like, okay, that's done. What's next? And it's exhausting. It's an exhausting a way to live. It's a way I've lived my entire life. Yeah. That's great. But to your point, though, I will say, though, to your point, there's no way I would have accomplished. know, maybe whether it was like, I don't know, like an athlete growing up or like whatever I'm at now, there's no way I would have been able to accomplish it if I didn't channel that energy in at least a productive way. 100%. And that's it because you're describing the exhaustion. So this can go one of two ways.

It can be so exhausting that it's just like depression and you just shut down and it's over. The other one is to channel it, right? And so clearly that is what you've done. It's more at a certain point it is like you will just hit the wall at a certain point you have to realize perfection is not enough it will never be enough until you decide it's enough and that is a process that is that is part of your life's journey and part of your life's journey is is realizing that because it doesn't matter what you will accomplish it at a certain point it has to be it has to come from that place if I am enough and and it's great you put it to work and that's ideally what you know that's and you know I mean it's great it's just you know it's awesome you will

at some point hit the wall and you know physical charge whatever it is it's just you can't do it forever so it's just you know being aware of that and working on that and your rising sign is in Sagittarius so that's the seeker the adventurer they speak their truth it really is about for you finding you know your authentic path speaking your truth you know really stepping into that not following anybody else's path making sure it's really authentic to you you know and your intuition and following that and following your gut that's a big part of your path too fire and water look at that you also have a relationship complex like we're talking about with kaitland or this actually i have this exact one so your venus is in burgo and you have saturn to it so we just talked about

saturn you know it's frustration for us boundaries so there would be a feeling i would imagine you know and this is this is where you know relationship again at 22 you're not going to find your person then it comes a bit later. And you're actually in your Mars and Venus returns. This would be a good time to be in a relationship. But it would be that feeling of blocks, boundaries, frustration when it comes to relationship, whether you find who should be the perfect person, but something just doesn't feel right.

It doesn't feel right. You know, or the person is super critical or you're super critical, you know, or they are emotionally unavailable or you could be emotionally unavailable. It's these kinds of things that come up that need to be worked through, whether it's, you choosing those type of people and then you know again the lesson being needing to love yourself unconditionally not needing the other and then being able to be with whoever you want yeah i mean it's 29 and single and ended up on a reality dating show so there you go pretty accurate it actually the weird thing about the show is i think my entire 20s were so linear it was so

exactly what you said just career check the box be done that i didn't leave space to actually think through this stuff and it was weirdly enough going on that show and then doing those like ITM interviews and stuff is what like started to kind of like break me down a little bit to think about it more and go towards that other area but so I forgot what's the sensitive side again what would you call it Pisces like that's like that's where I like connected my Pisces life was like there we go he just said it and I'm so turned on right now we got to go see you look at that all right and good night thank you oh god that's amazing oh that's so great yeah that's that's you know a little quick one of you right also you were born with your mars

in retrograde too so coming to that Pisces would have come a little bit later anyway you know that was the idea would get turned on a little bit later and now it is and this is probably a lot of your guys dynamic you know that's sensitive yeah I love this so much she's like well she's like it's funny when I'm with somebody and they like give me their information because I'm always like can I have information whoever I meet and I put them in and then I just start looking myself and I've been told so many times I just sit there being like, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. You know, they're like, what is, what do you mean? Anyway, that's actually, you know what I do like about that Pisces, too, with that Taurus, because you're saying, you know,

there is something that's very, you being the giver to that. That's kind of a nice combo. Yes. Yeah, I mean, you're, you're that you need to be with somebody who does know how to give, you know, so there is that element of you, which is really, really nice. So let's talk about the things that kind of brought you together. You have a few what we call like life-changing connections. You know, if you're using the app. The first one is this one that's just, I've experienced one. It's like one of the best ones in terms of romantic relationships. It's when your Venus is conjunct the I see. And this, obviously that means nothing to you. It's more about it's a very, it's a very powerful one. You can feel very drawn to each other. It can be a very sort of sensual, like

tender heart opening one. I mean, it could be a very strong sexual dynamic too. It's a very sensual connected one that feels like very personal. It's, it's very deep. It's one that can be the nicest ones you can have. You know, it just feels good to be around each other. It's sort of like a feel good energy. And I love that one.

That might be one of the draws. And then you have this other one where, you know, we said your Mars was in pipe. Pisces. It's connected to you, your career and how you are in the world is in Pisces. So they're connected. So there's an energy of like you guys in the world sort of feeling empowered together, like more powerful together, you know, that there's some way to sort of, which also impacts how you are at home. Both of these are like very much about building home and family and also kind of how you express yourselves in the world.

Both of these are those kinds of things. So they'd be really nice for building home, building a family, a certain kind of innate understanding, a certain also feeling of empowerment together when you come together as a unit. And they're kind of rare when we look at those. Like they don't come up, you know, that often.

That's cool. I like that. Yeah. Yeah, I like those ones a lot. Okay. Now you put Uranus to Jason's ascendant. and that is like that's very rare i don't see that very often but this is like you are a wild card in his life i mean you would be so i imagine i don't know different and unique and just like

taking him to like kind of different places that maybe he hadn't thought of before and changing his path just sort of this unexpected unconventional energy that really is about his destiny is about sort of taking him on his destiny path that's interesting unconventional wild part that is so me in your life that has changed the path that has like made you come into your own too totally wow 100% accurate now yeah that is off wow because your path your destiny is sagittarius like you said and so you're honest right on it so it's about like you said seeking searching being authentic being true so she's coming in and like let's let's get on with it let's you know just activating it that's the word that's a good word

It's true, 100%. Holy grubb, that's so true. I am the wild card. You define wildcard. Yeah, total. Very different. I mean, I imagine she's different than anybody you've been with before. These are all, what's kind of unique about these connections, they're all ones that are very progressive.

They're about, like I was saying, that's about your destiny. Yeah. Or who you are in the world. Like, these are very future-oriented kind of things. They're very activating of the future. which you know some charts are more about like we've known each other before they're not as progressive you know so there's a certain sort of progressive energy here and you guys do have some Pluto together which is interesting so that's like you put it to yeah you guys put it to each other so there's

definitely going to be depth so Pluto is like you said it's sort of the underworld so it gives what is great about it is it gives depth where there otherwise wouldn't be there's going to places you've never been before which for some people they like it's very exciting it's very sexy it can be a very sort of sexy thing um right because you you love it you know and other people are afraid of those things and they don't like it and it's like i don't feel in control and you know so it's really again how who you are and how you choose to relate to it but there would be for both of you activations that way that can be going into uncharted territory together pushing each other there and it sounds like it's quite nice between you it's not like

challenging right it's so funny because i keep forgetting this is a podcast because both us are just like staring and nodding our head being like wow and then i was like say something because i'm not i'm just like holy crap i just keep nodding my head uh-huh yep bang on bang on right yeah right wow so and you guys don't feel overwhelmed by it though like you're not like sometimes because everyone it can cause that thing of like whoa hey you know but but but overwhelmed by what the like deeper conversations the deaths of it or maybe yeah because it can push you into places you haven't been something well i get i get i get overwhelmed Yeah, I wonder if you get a little overwhelmed sometimes.

Yeah, I do. Like, you know, like you live in a state of sensitivity and emotion expressing where I live in a state of like pushing away. Like I don't want to like it's going to give me the next place. I don't want to talk about it, you know? Yeah. And so for me, it's uncharted territory, right? And so and where I'm just like, can we like like let's just let's just let's all good. Let's go.

What's now? I can't put it away. And you're like, no, let's talk about it. And I don't have to sit here in this. place. I'm like, I don't want to sit here. I don't want to be in these places. I'm single. I'm like, we talk about it again. And they're like, no.

Okay. Okay. Bye. Yeah. No, because you, especially, you put Pluto to his moon, which is an area. So remember that part of you? This is how it is. Here's the goal. I'm going here. She's coming in and like, I don't know what I can say, but just fucking it out. I mean, just like destroying it and opening you up to the Pisces. So that's what she's taking that offline. Some people can handle that. some people can't that's what I was sort of asking it's like well that's like so you're being taken

there yeah that's right and like sometimes I can get there and sometimes I'm like I'm not going it right now I can't do it and how do you respond to that off this ride right are you okay with that Caitlin are you like okay or you're getting you're getting better at I'm getting better at that sometimes I'm like okay let's like I don't want to deal with that anyways like sometimes I'm okay with it and sometimes I want to push or even like therapy I've talked about this where And by the way, I go, so we go individual, we don't do like couples therapy. We do like one-on-one therapy. So therapy, when I was talking to them, I would say I will, because I actually am like a natural giver.

Like if someone asks, I will do it, right? So one of the things I'm working on is like, if she wants to, let's just call it for this podcast, go to Pluto in these conversations, I can get there. But I'll never satisfy her desire to go to Pluto unless I'm fully there. So like literally my therapist is like, get there with her. but you're also very focused on everything you're doing. So don't half-asset. Like if she comes to you wanting X, Y, and Z, and right at that moment, you can't give her all her energy that they're like, you need to set the boundary. Explain when you can get there because it'll be best for you, your happiness, and hers.

So that like absolutely connects. Yeah. Crazy. Wild. That is. I mean, between your therapist, my therapist and Lisa, I feel like. It's like Captain Planet. Yeah.

I feel like we are going to take over the world. All our powers combined. There you go. That's amazing. Let's see. There's that. There's something healing. He's healing something for you.

There's something healing with your relationship stuff. There's a healing. Oh, that makes you want to cry. Yeah. Yes. That is 100%. That's a great word that I never really thought of of how you, like I always talk about feeling like safe with him. and it's just like a whole other level of a relationship than I've ever been in

and it does feel very healing to my awful negative thoughts towards relationships. Like I always just, even still I have to work on it because I still will say to him like, oh, like everyone gets divorced or everyone falls out of love and blah, blah, blah. And he's very healing in that way and he just can't even like fathom that my brain goes there because he believes in it so much. So it is very healing. Oh, that's sweet. He's got the Aries. He's like, we're committed. We're doing this. That's where it's out.

And sometimes with it, it can be, it's like exactly that, like you have this wound with relationships, but he's the antiseptic. So every once in a while, it's going to feel a little like, you know, like, you're cleaning it. But the idea is that it's ultimately healing, healing it. So you never had like, you were never afraid, like, you always felt safe so you could go there. There was always that safe place.

You didn't push him away. Right. In the beginning. Right. That's amazing. Or there are times you would push me away. Like when I even talked about the times where you were like, you always. like, I could do this alone, you know what I mean?

You're like, I don't need, you'd push away, but then we would like come back to find the middle. Would you actually break up or just more? No, no, no, no, no. It was, we wouldn't even take space. When I say push away, I'm like in a conversation around. Oh, I'm not saying like, you know, let's take a week off. Yeah. For clarification.

Right, right. Totally. Let's clarify that. Yeah, that's beautiful. There's that healing. And then, oh, yeah, there's a little Saturn he puts to you. So I, I mean, it sounds like it's working really well. for you guys it's kind of a wide saturn but it's it's it would be a bit of the blue

sometimes it's good to have a little Saturn in a relationship because it means you don't give up so especially with you because he puts it to you Caitlin so you maybe would be it'd be easier for you to walk away without the Saturn there that makes sense not that you want to walk away I'm just saying no it's this thing of like I'm going to stick around and see about this one yes maybe I'll do the work here that I wouldn't do otherwise yeah Saturn helps you put blocks and like boundaries and here let's manifest something together so sometimes in a chart it can be nice without it but sometimes it's nice to have a little bit especially if you know you're like I don't really need this you know this is going to be the thing that's going to say yeah maybe I do yeah

is there anything alarming in this chart that we should be aware of no but that's it I mean some people can look at Pluto and be like oh I don't want to deal with that you know it's it's all how you relate to is it is it the depth she's taking you deeper and you're going there if you did not want to go there you're in a different time in your life this would be fighting all the time yeah that's how it's manifest you see what this is all about where you're at and how you're choosing answer at I don't know I'm looking at I'm like oh is he really not into you know the the Pluto is that too overwhelming for him or is he going to go there like surrender that part of himself open his heart and connect from that place and so the uncontrollable is like how these patterns align the

controllable is how you can deal with the way they are your choice yeah that's your destiny that's your choice how you how do you want to deal with this you know and that's where i don't know that's what i look at two people start this could be challenging this could be amazing you also have some of those really life-changing amazing ones that like i said or you know you feel building home together there's like a certain draw just feeling so good together they're very rare you know so there's these things bringing you together and then there's going to be things that are uncomfortable but yeah how you choose to deal with them is is i feel like that's so interesting of like how we've come together at this point in our lives where we're so open to those things that the other person brings and like yes

we've done the work on ourselves and like it's yes it's in a very fascinating place to be together so that it doesn't you know to lie like yeah like at 22 you guys I think it would be challenging oh my gosh it would be impossible to see what I'm saying yeah exactly in the amount of times though that we have said to one another thank God we didn't meet at a younger age we've said it hundred plus times. Yeah. So true. So true.

Wow. This is, I love this stuff so much. And I feel like it, I think you're a skeptic when it comes to like, oh, because your birthday, like, you're a Gemini because it's going to make you this person. Like when, when Lisa explains it in more depth and can like look at the birth chart and like talk to you about that, I think it makes you more of a believer. Well, what I like about this, Lisa, is that I don't believe in predicting things. I don't believe that like someone can tell me what my future.

future is because if you could do that, think about how many things that individual could do to like put themselves in a lottery. Yeah, with a lottery, change. I agree with you. Yeah. But what I do, and I don't also believe that people that like tell you this is who you are, but I do believe in everything that you're saying. Like, listen, this is the way pretty much like the universe was aligned at the second you were born. And this is what it could mean for you. Does it or does it not? Like that. And I've really gotten to you with believing in the universe and certain things like that. Yeah, because I even got him a picture for, was it your birthday or Christmas or something? I got one of those things where I got a picture framed of where the stars were the night that we met.

When you think about it, like, we are just so small and there's so much going on. Like, that connects and that makes, I don't know, it just, it's so fascinating. It's so wild and you can't, like, fight it. You can't be like, no, that's not real. Like, you can't fight it. Yeah. Like just surrender into like you don't have control over everything. There's a lot of stuff at play that you don't. You know, we just think we're controlling everything. And I do this. It's like there's a lot. You're not just surrendering to that, you know. That's incredible. I guarantee. Okay. I want to like put a number on it. I want to know how many people listen to this podcast and how many downloads of the pattern. Because like, like, many are producers. She was like just did. Like it's not want to. to? How could you not want to? It's so incredible. It's a great

party trick. Like, they got, give me your day. Yeah. Wait, party trip. Yeah. I mean, if I'm at a party or dinner, that's pretty much the entire evening. All right. And you say those are, obviously, most listeners are girls for Caitlin's podcast. All the single girls is the best way to go pick up a guy. Be like,

all right, I'm going to put your name, but like put your number in there. Absolutely. That's so. You tell them their whole life. And then, and then wait, what is, I'm blanking on what your new thing is called with the pattern? connect, which in it you'll see, connect for dating. This would be a great place to meet. And that's the idea.

Now you'll have these dynamic. You can talk about these pieces of your relationship. Well, holy shit. That is incredible. You are just, how cool in your life, too, that everything that happened to you and what you're going through has led you to this. And now you're helping so many other people. And it's gosh. And you can just tell you're so passionate about it and knowledgeable.

And it's just incredible. You're the kind of person on the podcast that I could be like, okay, who can we do next? and I can sit here with you all day long. But that's so cool. My gosh, is there anything else like where people can find, I mean, obviously the app and app or in the app store, but. App store and we're on Android. You can download the pattern.

You can sign up for Connect. Oh, and thepattern.com. You know, you can, there's some stuff there. But yeah, just go download it and enjoy. And if you're single, get on Connect. That's so fun. And what a full circle moment to have you now on the pod and talking about our compatibility after you're supposed to be I can't even believe that that's so I did not understand

that really I understood it very wow yeah it's all meant to be it is it is part of our engagement yeah you are so full circle and I just appreciate you coming on and talking to us about that so much and I can't wait for people to get it and then I have a Facebook group and I just can't even imagine how that's going to go I'm like going to stock my Facebook group know, to see what everybody's saying about it. That's awesome. Thank you so much for being on the podcast today. Oh, thank you guys so much.

You're amazing. Congratulations. And really excited for you guys. Thank you so much. Have a good day. All right. Bye. I'm Caitlin Bristow.

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