Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Live From the Wine Cellar with Chris Harrison Part 1

Episode Date: March 13, 2018

The host of the Bachelor/Bachelorette and all-round good guy Chris Harrison invites Kaitlyn crack open his favorite wines while talking about the recent season finale with Arie, his take on the break up debacle with Becca, and his own road to television stardom lined with crappy jobs. Tune in this Thursday to hear the rest of the interview! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Taboo topics. On filtered advice and wine. Lots of wine. Get ready to shake things up. Here's Caitlin. Okay, everybody, welcome to Off the Vine. I feel so funny being in front of you saying, I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow. A small part of me wants to say like something stupid, like the most dramatic podcast.

ever. Your goal as a host should to never say something stupid. No, my goal as a host is to say a lot of stupid things because relatable. Because it comes easy. Yeah. My excuse is being relatable. But at the end of the day, I am still your host because you're here in my house. That's true. You just had dinner with my kids. We just had a family dinner.

You have lovely children, by the way. They really are. Like, even the way they get along with each other, I'm like, what? It's scary. They're great. Yeah. They have a good mother. Oh. Yeah I did not expect that

I'm going to say father No you did You came in We had dinner with the kids Yeah It's quite nice We talked about school La Cros

How Taylor gets 100% On her math Did you just get a weird glimpse into my life I did It's way more normal Than I thought it was going to be You just got a bizarre glimpse

That no one ever gets in my life You just sat and had dinner at my table with my kids She ate her carrots first She did eat the Let the record show My daughter ate her vegetables first before her macaroni and cheese and chicken and chicken very nutritious dinner it smelled like

delicious cooking when I walked in smells like home you had wine ready I kind of like for a second wanted to move in it's like if Sean were a normal man which is not it's what your life would be like if you came home and you guys had for some reason all of a sudden you popped out a 14 and a 16 year old kid yeah and then you came home to a husband that's what you're life would be like hello dear it was very it's like weirdly comforting though yeah it's comfortable yeah it is no they're good they i i in all seriousness they are great kids you have i don't know knock on i'm knocking on wood right now because i don't know how it all happened but they are great and they're both beautiful like just inside and out good hard kids when i find out who the father is i am going to

thank him yeah i'm going to have a crush so welcome to my home and welcome to my podcast this is off the vine i will say i i feel like i can't be a host with you it's like no matter what we're doing in life you are the host okay i'm i'm slightly worried i'm not used to being on this side of the microphone i kind of like it i don't like relinquishing control i kind of want you to be like not tv chris harrison and be like the witty chris harrison that that we that we all know that we're we're a bottle of uh my so here's just just just a point of reference here i had two requests for katelyn because i don't do podcasts Because I'm Chris Harrison.

I don't, I can't, I've done, I've done, this is now, this is now my second. You did Ben and Ashley. That's what I said. I did Ben and Ashley. And then I guaranteed that I would do yours. I just had two requests. One, you would come to my house. Yes.

And more importantly, two, we would drink my wine. Yes, which we are doing, which I'm not mad at. Because what is my rule in life? Life's too short to drink crappy wine. That's it. That's the my motto. That's what I live by. I didn't want to go somewhere and then drink crappy wine with you all night.

So I understand. My rule is you come to my house. We drink out of my cellar. And I wanted you to come a little earlier so you could just go crazy. Yeah. I didn't know you were a Pino-Noir girl. Oh, yeah, I am. It's kind of new, actually.

I used to be a big cab guy. Now I'm a Pino girl. I've noticed twice tonight you've referenced yourself as a guy. I know. Why? It's a weird thing. Because I like saying I'm a big whatever guy because Sean always says, oh I'm a big like workout guy

I'm a big bullet so I think I just kind of Sean's a dude right you're not oh right that was stupid not once during the show did I see you peeing standing up yes you did twice by the way when you

the fact that you could write your name in the snow is impressive thank you and my name's not short either but I really did there was two times I can remember in Bali when I got dumped I'll never forget being dumped in Bali I'll never forget that obviously

but my funny part is that because I watched the show before obviously going on and I always remember being like oh man that must suck like having Chris Harrison walk up and do his hand gestures and be like I'm sorry

you are like say your goodbye take a moment say goodbyes that just took my breath away I was like oh oh that does not feel good bad memories but I was I peed standing up

like five minutes before that in a hole in the ground Was this before or after I hugged you and shook your hand? Oh, this was after. Because there was no hand sanitizer involved. Zero hand sanitizer at the temples in Bali. But I peed on my foot a little bit and Alam put my foot in his mouth on the limo ride home when I was crying. Oh, God.

He knew it, though. That's weird. Okay, that's weird. He was into it. He was into it. But I laughed so hard when I was texting and you talking about doing this podcast. You're like, the chances of me doing your podcast will. greatly depreciate if I have to go anywhere.

And I was like, oh, okay. The odds of me doing your podcast greatly depreciate if I have to leave my house and you won't drink my wine. Which I was, I wasn't like, oh, it sounds like a terrible gig. Because the wine's good. The wine's great. The wine at Costa Day Harrison is pretty good. It's so bad.

It's like flying first class and then having to go back to coach. Like now how am I going to go back to any other wine? My cellar is always open. My cellar is always. I will say that to me. Always. I will move right now. Come eat mac and cheese with your kids every night. I will leave Sean to eat mac and cheese with your kids and drink fine wines. But it is cute because I thought it was just, I was like, okay, I'll come hang out in your wine cellar and then you're like, you're making dinner for the kids. Making dinner for the kids. It's a school night. I mean, this is like people often wonder, I mean, you know, but people often wonder what my life is like, this is it. We're doing homework. We're making dinner. We're getting ready for school tomorrow. It's a school night.

Let me tell you, people think that you are just some mythical creature that, like, doesn't have any other life, but just like walking in and floating into a room and saying, this is the final rose. And then people are like, what does he do out there than that? I'm like, he's a father and a really good one, actually. So that's it. And that's in this, at this day and age with my, you know, because people ask about my relationships and all this other stuff. And I have this window of opportunity now. And some parents said this to me. And it's really true.

And for those moms and dads out there, you get this. Days are long, years are short. And my kids have just, it has blown by. And it's bizarre that I have been able to mark their entire lives through The Bachelor. When people ask me, what are your favorite moments of The Bachelor? What stands out to you? It's not, you know, and I hate to say this in front of you, it's not like the big moments from the show. It's moments that involve my kids.

Yeah, I get that. It's, you know, no, you know, my son was six weeks old when I, got the show he's like six feet tall and it's crazy and so and taylor was born um meredith my wife at the time was in labor during meredith's finale we actually shot a little secret i don't think i've ever said this we actually had to tape up the windows and black out the room so i could shoot we used to do a final talk on the final day i thought you meant because people were looking in no no we had to black out so we could make it look like nighttime so i could shoot this because my wife was in labor with taylor my daughter so just in case something happened that night and i had to go to the hospital so

that night i was we were shooting in ensino it's like 20 minutes away from the house she was basically laying on the couch with her legs crossed waiting to have a baby and we shot the finale real quick and then we had the baby and then and then that was what two weeks later we had um tristan ryan's wedding was was right was right around then that and so those are the things And I remember shooting in Italy and then shooting in France and my kids climbing on the Eiffel Tower and it's like stuff like that is what I remember about the show because it involved my personal life. And people would never know that or guess that because all people think they know of anybody on TV is what they see on TV. Right, of course. And those are, I always tell people like, what are your moments that you remember? Well, do you want show moments? You want personal moments. Because there are those moments too when the show blew up.

Like, you know, I remember Aaron Bergey season. It was actually season two because the show started. started with, um, with, um, Alex. Oh my God. Just blacked out with Alex. So season two was when the show really blew up. Yeah. Alex was the first bachelor, but it wasn't like huge,

huge. Right. It was good. But ABC, yeah, ABC was kind of in the dumps. And it was just kind of a, you know,

the appetizer. And then when we came back in the fall, the show was just off the rails. Yeah. And that was my first taste of network TV. It was the first time my life was changing. And I, that's the first time I was able to sit back and go,

wow, something's happening to my life. I'm not really sure yet, but it's changing. And so those are the moments to me that really stand out. So when you first started, that was when you first started a family too? Yeah. I mean, well, I was married for, I was married for a while, almost 10 years by then. Yeah. But I just had my son.

So when I got the show, they apparently were looking for a Midwestern guy. I'm from Dallas who has a family. I was married and I just had a kid. Joshua was born six weeks before I met Mike Fleiss, the creator of the show and had my first meeting. And in fact, I think Mike even says I had spit up on my jacket when I went in to meet him. I hadn't slept in weeks. That's what really sold.

I was a brand new dad. And it's funny because they wanted a no-name guy from the Midwest. I was going to ask you about this. They wanted a no-name guy, no-one had heard of who had a wife, had a kid, who would be the guy next door. Yeah. Who would be the guy that a girl would talk to, but guys would want. want to hang out with and that was kind of their philosophy of finding the host i always okay that was actually going to be one of my questions nobody knew who the hell i was you were a nobody and uh

you turned yourself right into a somebody into a nobody ish that's really crazy i was wondering that because what were you doing before um i was a sportscaster oh okay yeah yeah for what well i when i lived in oklahoma city so i started my career in oklahoma city out of college as a sportscaster and then moved to L.A. to start up a horse racing network. Oh. I know, right? You were in the horse racing industry? Well, I mean, it was a horse racing network that Fox and TV Guide were starting up.

And so it was still sports casting, basically. Yeah. But then when I got out here, and I honestly, my goal in life was to move back home to Dallas and be a sportscaster. That was it. That was your, like, dream. And then this thing came up and I thought, like, what the hell? Wait, what was going through your mind when they were explaining the show to you? Like, it's going to be this blah, blah, blah.

Well, here's honest, honest to God. this is what my thought was because I hadn't really been exposed to Hollywood or this whole world. You know, I don't have anybody in my family who's been in this business. I'm the first one. Yeah. And so I've had to figure things out on my own to a certain degree. Which is probably a good thing. Probably.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, there is a sense of ignorance is bliss. And God knows I was more than ignorant enough to fill up a large bucket. But I was kind of figuring things out for myself. And all I knew about Mike Fleiss is he had just done who wants to marry a millionaire. which was a smash, Yeah.

Was a rating success. And for those of you that don't remember, it was Darvaconger, Rick Rockwell, who wants to marry a millionaire. Rick was supposed to be a millionaire. It turns out he wasn't quite a millionaire, and there was some issue. And this is one of the lessons learned

where they didn't have background checks back then. It was the advent of reality TV. I risk, high reward. Yeah. And so the show was a huge success, but critically paned later because of what it came afterwards, It's the whole controversy.

And so Mike was kind of shunned and blacklisted from Hollywood. And then he came back with Bachelor. And it was shopped around the city, you know, 20 times. And then finally it landed at ABC. And he came to, you know, they came to me. And I'm like, you know, will I ever be able to show my face at church again if I do this show? And here's the big difference for me. And no offense to the lovely people at Fox, but it wasn't on Fox.

It was on ABC. Yeah. And family channel. Disney, ABC, there has to be. certain sense of decorum and respect with this show. So I can trust that a little bit and dive in. And so because the concept, respect like 25 women. Right. And look, here's the thing. You have to also take into account back then. This stuff didn't exist. And I know it's hard for people to really grasp that the bachelor was a wild concept. It was very controversial. And you know what was even more

controversial? What? The Bachelorette. Really? People lost their minds. I thought that's why they started The Bachelorette was because people were losing their minds that there wasn't a woman in the same position. No, they, they, it was quite the opposite. The only reason the Bachelorette happened is the Bachelor was so huge. And then ABC said, hey, how about another show? Yeah. And, you know, the Bachelorette was never intended to happen. You were never supposed to be born.

It was, it really was, just came out of the success of the Bachelor. And then when we named Trista, and it really took, and you know Trista, and I love her to death. She's like family to me. And it took a strong, bold woman because she got blasted. It was controversial. because I mean you look you went through this even in your season there's the double standard yeah sure a guy a guy can go to the fantasy suite three times but a girl does it she's a slut yeah beyond and she's this and she's that and so that we'll get into it later but those those are the norms and the stereotypes I love to dive into and break down because I love the hypocrisy of our show yeah and it's not our show it's society absolutely and I find it fascinating it because people People do. They put it on the show, but it's really on them. And so that was, so Trista being the Bachelorette was a huge controversy. It's so interesting because as the show goes on and other things,

you keep breaking down these walls and being like, oh, it was crazy for a man to date 25 women. And now it was crazy for a woman to do it. Then it was crazy for a woman to sleep with a man before fantasy suites. And now it's like, yeah, where is the line? Like, kind of a gray area. Like, when does it? What's wrong? What's right? People often think, and I can be wrong, but I believe society moves the needle and society predicates what ends up on the show, not vice versa. I don't think you blame The Bachelor for this or blame The Bachelor for this. I always thought, and I've watched this for 16 years, that we are a microcosm and a mirror image for what's happening in the world. Dating's changed and things have progressed and things are moving forward. And that is shown on our show.

Yeah. And I think it's when you shine a bright light on it, sometimes it's glaring and sometimes it's not so pretty and it's shocking, especially to some parts of the country. But that's the way it is. I mean, I really think that our show is a microcosm of what's going on in the real world. I agree with you. And just to piggyback that, I'm wondering what you think now in this time where everybody is so easily offended now and everybody's in this movement. Do you think the show is still going to have the same impact or is it still? going to be i think it's more important you do i think our show look in this there's there's

always a need for debate and i always say no matter what it is and you and i went through this on your season and i said if we just did nothing but raise the level of debate in this country then we did a good job and i've never been one to say we're doing the bachelor to stand on our soapbox and change society and all that it's a business we are trying to get viewers to watch our TV show so I can send my kids to school. That's my goal. And people have to understand. That's what we're doing. This is a multi, multi, multi, multi million dollar industry. The Bachelor is. It is a business. We love what we do and we love to create the television we create. But at the end of the day, we have to make a decision. If we think that a hundred more viewers are going to watch because

Caitlin's the Bachelorette as opposed to Susie, guess what? Caitlin's the Bachelorette. Yeah. Like, it's, you know, we don't. Susie's a fun name to call Britt. Yeah. But we don't always have the luxury to just do things. You know, I understand that, you know, we have a responsibility. There is a responsibility in what we do and everything we do.

And I get that. And I take that profoundly serious. But at the same time, I don't have the luxury to just worry about the impact I'm making on society. Because, and I say I, the show because we have a job to do. Yeah. And we have to please the masses and entertain the masses. And that at the end of the day is the most important thing to us because we can take this great global stand and make this huge statement and nobody watches.

And guess what? A thousand people are out of work. So then what? Right. Do all those people that were yelling and screaming and talking about are they, do you think they're going to take care of everybody? Do you think they're going to put everyone's kids through school and take care and pay their mortgages? No, they don't give a crap.

Yeah, exactly. They're off to the next cause. Yeah. Well, we don't get that luxury. We have to employ people. And there's a, and the ripple effect of the bachelor. Yeah, that's the thing. And you know this because you've seen behind the curtain.

But, you know, you see me. You see the bachelor. You see the bacheloretts. Well, that is nothing. That is 1% of the iceberg. Yeah. You know, you don't see the producers and the lighting and the art department. And it goes on and on in the video.

And then you have. audio and then you have so much that was something that actually really surprised me in the craft services and security and i mean it goes i mean even like catering food everything that goes into it the ripple effect of this show is massive and then if you want to go on a global scale what we do for these countries and the locals we hire in these countries and we always do like we were just in peru and god we probably had 30 or 40 locals working for us the entire time and you know on any given occasion we might have more and we pump a ton of money into these countries and we do great things

and that's something that I take great pride in that will never be talked about or shown on TV. Which must be a little bit frustrating too because there's, I mean, the internet and everybody has their opinions but nobody sees that and as viewers I can think of myself watching the show I didn't even realize when you're watching someone on a date

you don't even realize how many producers are standing right there or a camera crew let alone hundreds of people have worked said behind it hundreds of people have worked their asses off yeah and by the way that was before the people ever got there to work because people have had to go there and pre-produce this and make sure this place is okay and then get all the permits pulled and and then make sure that when the crew gets there everything's ready to go then the crew gets there and then the real work starts yeah i mean there's the hours and the manpower it takes to put on the show and how good this show looks and

works is fascinating to me it's beyond me i i still don't know how it all works all the time but it does. And there's an amazing team behind this. And I, I'm proud to be the face and the voice of this team. And that's why everyone, everyone's like, you get really so riled up. I'm like, because this is my family. This has been my family for 17 years. Do people really question that? Yeah. They just, you know, they just question like my motives and my intentions. And they, I think sometimes I get so, I think, whatever I get that it comes off maybe too much or disingenuous or that I'm selling or what and it's it's because I get to speak for people that don't get to speak and they don't get to be seen and I know these people and I've raised their children and they've

raised mine really good because even just following you on Instagram like the credit you give the crew and even just like the other day you did something you're like I'm not getting paid for this it was Gina who's done your makeup for 10 years over 10 years so Gina has been with me Gina is one of the first people I met when I moved to Los Angeles and so for the people to know Gina Modica is my makeup artist, and I met her in May of 99 when I first moved here to L.A. She's been with me since so 19 years. I love Gina. She did my makeup. She's, she is my Italian sister. Yes. And that's sometimes a wonderful thing, sometimes a horrible thing. Yes. As, you know, she'll chase anybody away. She's why you don't age. She's why I don't age

and why I don't have a girlfriend. It's why I'm single and why I look as good as I do. It makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. But no, I love her. And you know Carrie Fetman, our stylist, who's been with us. And I do.

I love them. I adore them. They're my family. Yeah. And I will fight to them for the death and stand in front of a bus for them, as I know they would for me. Yeah. They're my family. And we do.

We travel the world. We spend countless hours together in the greatest places in the world, but as you know, sometimes the worst places in the world and at all hours of the night. And we've been with each other sick, you know, disgusting, happy. sad you know you're closer with them probably been family I am more than family at some point like I even felt that and I only was there for like a small period of time and this has been like well and people understand again if you think about 17 years of your life and you know 16 and a half as long as we've been doing the show I mean a lot's happened yeah I mean people

have you know married people have died people have been divorced you're looking at them you know they were there for me yeah they were there as family for me when I was going through some of the toughest times in my life. And that was a crazy time in my life during Ashley's season of the Bachelorette, Emily's season of the Bachelorette. And while I was dealing with this horrible thing in my life that only they knew about, it wasn't public. And they knew.

They knew everything. They knew where the bodies are buried. And so they helped me through this, like, I mean, I was over in Asia at times and, like, stuck for weeks at a time. And I'm like, if they weren't there, I would have been jumping off a building. Well, yeah, because people go through hard times in life, and the easiest thing to do is hide and not talk to anybody and you just kind of like crumble. You didn't have that option. No, I will, I vividly remember sitting with Ashley, who was the bachelor at the time.

We were in Asia and there was a particularly really bad night, like a really bad thing was happening in my life that night. and I had to go sit and have a deliver we used to do deliberations like every rose ceremony and I had to sit with her and do a deliberation and Carrie and Gina knew what was going on in my life and I had to sit and talk to her about love about relationships and not that it wasn't serious for her and whatever but I'm like are you kidding me right my if she only knew and nobody knew like my life was literally falling apart and and you're like you've known this guy for two weeks and you want to talk to me about love? And I'm like, I'm like, and part of me was questioning like, why am I here and what am I doing here and all that? But that's where you got to really, again, it's a, you know, there is a job side to this that it's my job. It's what I do. And I sometimes it's a job and sometimes it's also a job I love. But there were some times there where I'm like, you've got to get through this. Like you just got to get through it.

It's the same thing as people watching the show as like you see, it's a TV show. So people think of you as a character. Right. So nobody realizes that, hey, you. you know, your life looks pretty good from an outsider and people watching and be, oh, he's the host of the show. What does he do in between? He's probably just drinking Rose in a bubble bath.

Like, you know, everybody just thinks that you're, but nobody realizes that you could be going through anything real in your life and having to. But, you know, but I understand that. And I understand that's not. It's a little bit, and I, maybe I understand this because I'm a parent. You can't ever expect your kids to stop and look at you and go, dad thank you yeah thank you so much for the life you've provided us like you're so yeah right exactly like i get it now and i have that relationship with my mom and dad but like my kids as wonderful as they are

are never going to fully appreciate what i do the life i provided the world that they've seen and all the things they get to do that's not their job right and i think of our audience is the same way that's not their job to care about me or my life yeah they they shouldn't know because they don't have that perspective you probably don't want them to know no And I really don't. For the most part. I mean, you know me. I'm, I, it's a miracle.

You're in my house. I'm in. I know. I feel very privileged to be. I'm like, I'm in. I'm an intensely private person. I keep my private life very private. I've always done that.

I, I just, I leave, you know, I love my job. And you get to see, you know, I would argue that who I am on the show and what you see is what you get at home. That I, I would like to think that's who I am. You can tell me differently. But at the same time, I do try to protect my kids and my life and my family as much as possible. And I will let you in as much as I can. But at the same time,

I need to have a little life too. Yeah. No, that makes so much. You meet so many people throughout all of this. And it must be so hard to know, like, who's my real friend out of this?

And who can I trust and who can I let in? Because, I mean, even I think I always relate things back to myself and try and understand. Like, I don't even like letting a lot of people in. And I'm like, I was on one season.

Well, the older you get. And look, and I'm much older than you, but the older you get, I know, right, but I look good for 68. That's Gina. Yeah, God bless. Shout out, Gina. And, but it's, look, that's the way life goes is your circle gets smaller and smaller as you get older. Absolutely.

And the people you truly trust and truly count on, you know, I still have two buddies of mine from junior high and high school and elementary school. And then I have my friends that I have met out here in, in California. California that aren't in the business at all. I mean, they're financial or whatever they're in. It's like my golf buddies. They have the club. I go to the club and it's just, you know, don't just give you crap, just to give you crap. You probably love. Yeah, I love it. It's that's the way. Yeah. So there's that. Then you have those people, as you know, that kind of come in and out of your life and in the periphery. And, but what's bizarre. And I was actually talking about that today on the show is,

or on an interview is how much our show. And I showed this on the, and the question was about, all the girls on the couch the other night. Yes. And did you love that moment? And I said, yeah, because people don't understand that Caitlin has made lifelong friends because of this show. You and I were just talking about Carly and Evan and about Jaden Tanner and about Tristan Ryan.

Like these are people that I really care about and I really love. Yeah. And I care about you and Sean and I care about all these people, not as characters. I really want to know how people are doing. And you said, how are you and Sean? And I said, great. And you said, no, but tell me the truth. Like, how are you actually doing?

Yeah, I don't care. A lot of people say great. Right. But how are you actually doing? And I was like, oh, he cares. That's really nice. Because I don't, I mean, I don't use it for TV. I don't need it for anything.

I just want to know how everyone's doing. Yeah. And again, you know, our bachelor family has gotten big and it's grown. And I wish I was better about keeping in touch with everybody. But there's thousands and thousands and thousands of people. But there are people that I just, you know, when I get a chance, I like to check up. Or if something's happening and I know something's happening in your life, I just want to, I guess I feel a little bit like the dad of the whole thing.

You are kind of. And I feel, I feel, I feel a little responsible. I feel, no, I just feel a little responsible for everybody and I want to take care of everybody. And that's in me. That's just, I guess it's the whole Texan thing and the way I was brought up. I'm a very. But that comes across. I'm an overly protective person.

I'm a caretaker by trait. Yes. And that's how I was with you as the Bachelorette. I got fiercely defensive of you. Yes. And that's just, I can't help that. I'm like, I get weirdly emotional over this stuff. I'm like, I want to cry just because you were so great to me.

And that's something I say when I told you this earlier, how people always just want to know, no matter what season it is, no matter how crazy anything is, they're like, what's Chris Harrison like in real life? And I'm like, don't get me started. You were so there for me and you were so good to me. And now obviously I can sit in your house and drink nice wine with you. And it's like you're, you're just like a friend to me. and I think people like to look at I mean all these things and say like oh yeah of course you bring up the all these girls on the couch and oh look how great things are because you're trying to make up for how bad a season is and it's like no that stuff actually probably keeps you going in this world where you know it's it's nice because a lot of good things do come out of the show and as bitter as I was at first and things that have happened to me I'm like but I would do it all again because I'm so grateful for so many things that have

have come from this. It's kind of like, look, how would you describe your family? Most people, there's, you could go on, you know, if you said, hey, how's your mom or dad? Or how's your family? You would start off by probably complaining for five or ten minutes. But at the end of the day, you would say, I wouldn't trade them for anything in the world. And my family is my family. And I'm the same way.

And so that's how I feel about the bachelor family. It's like, it's our family. And, you know, are we dysfunctional? Are we messed up? Sure we are. It wouldn't be. Yeah. It wouldn't be a family in your way.

It wouldn't be love it, it would be all the things it is if it was just perfect because nothing is. Like is Caitlin a knucklehead? Of course she is. But do I love you beyond? Of course I do. And I've told you. I love you to death. I will fight to the death for you.

I will defend you to the death because you have, and I say this all the time to people when they ask me, of course, how you are, everybody else. I'm like, Caitlin has always owned who she is no matter what. You have always worn that on your sleeve, and you have owned it. And I love people. And I admire that because I'm not that. I'm not nearly as brave as you are. Well, I'm not. Because you also have to be a little professional.

That's true. But I would. I, you know, I think you admire things in traits that you don't have, and I don't have that. I wish I could be that just crazy say anything, let it all hang out type of person. I don't have that in me. Andrew Firestone's another one. Andrew is I want to be friends with him and his wife. So Andrew and Yvana are in Bob Guinea.

I'm going to throw Bob Guinea. So Andrew and Bob Guinea are two of my dear, dear friends. I love them. And they're like brothers to me. And this is back a little ways. So they're a little older. So they actually could be my brothers instead of my kids. And I hang out with them quite often.

And I find there is this charisma and charm that they both have that when they walk into a room, it's like the Pied Piper. people are drawn to them yeah and i find it fascinating i find it attractive and i i'm so jealous of it i want that whatever they don't think you have that i don't know i know walk into the bachelor imagine with 25 women and think you have their they're contractually obligated to be happy but because i have a date card in my back pocket right but no i've been out with those guys a lot and i'm like god they just they have this this thing and they just know how to you know i don't know if there's an off switched either one of them, but they're just, I love that about them. And I, so I admire that about

them. Yeah, I've met Bob Guinea and I know exactly what you're talking about. But for me, I'm like, I totally have an opposite. I'm pouring some more wine, by this. It's okay. Did you just ask me if it's okay if you're pouring more wine? I would be mad if you didn't pour more wine. Let's cheers. Cheers. Okay, well, let's talk about the wine that I drink for a minute. I have something really excited to talk about today. I've been talking about Bright Sellers for a few months now. And because we have so many listeners in the wine club, they're going to give away an entire year worth of wine as a thank you for talking about them on the show. You can literally win a year of wine. All you have to do to enter is go to a yearof wine.com. That's a year of wine.com. It's super

easy to enter. You can do it right from your phone and you will be eligible to win four personalized monthly wine matches every month for the next 12 months. I repeat, that is a year of wine. come to win a year of wine. Good luck. So for the record, Caitlin was, well, I was a little late to start. What, were you? And then, yeah, I was coming back from my son's lacrosse game. And then you were later than I was.

And so I opened, I asked you what type of wine you like and you said Pinot Noir. And so I went into my cellar and grabbed my favorite pinos. I went into my cellar. And grab my favorite pinos. And then you were late. So I started drinking without you. Because it's not often. I'm home cooking for the kids.

I really don't open like a nice bottle of wine by myself. Hints, another reason why I need a girlfriend. Part, is that bad that part of the reason I really want a girlfriend is just someone to drink with? Tell me about it. I'm with Sean Booth and he decides that he doesn't drink anymore. He doesn't appreciate wine. He doesn't like, he drank on the show all the time. Do you want to get to the confession part?

Okay. Yeah, let's do confessions. This could roll into my confession. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. so unbeknownst to the world so I had a girlfriend for a while but she didn't drink particularly it wasn't like she was against it she would sip on mine yeah I'm like it's like one of the issues was that's not good enough yeah I don't need you know is that horrible that I need you I love my wine I love to go to you know to wine country and the show has given me

the ability to travel around the world and drink great wines but I I love just and I don't drink a lot I really am not a big drinker, but I do love my wines, as you know. And so I love cooking. I love food. I love wine. I love golf. There's a few passions in my life, and that's one of them. And I want somebody to share in that.

You don't have to love it as much as me, but I want you to enjoy it. Like I got excited when you're coming over that I could bust out some wines. And I got to tell you, I had one sip and I was like, it's good stuff. And I have, and I don't know if we can get to a second bottle, just you and I, but there's another really good. Do not test me. I kind of want to open it. not test me. What time's your flight tomorrow? Four a.m. 4 a.m. Actually, the flight is at 6 a.m. And I realized that I go through customs in Canada.

Right. So I'm just like making so many excuses. You and I have, you and I have done so much worse. So my confession is, yeah, one of the things I didn't love is she didn't enjoy wine. Yeah. That was a, that was a down. That was a trouble spot. Yeah. So I understand. No to anybody listening. If you're going to date Chris Harrison. If I ever date again, and which is ify. It's, it's honestly, right now, it's like a 40-60 proposition. I'm not even sure what the 60 or 40 is. People are so interested in your love life. Yeah.

It's non-existent right now. Yeah. Yeah. You have a love life with wine. I love my wine. I love my wine. But, you know, we never finished this conversation. Back to my kids.

This is why I've chosen not to dive in. Yeah. I have a very small window left where my son is a sophomore. He's finishing up and, you know, he's already. For the Canadians out there, that means the 10th grade. The 10th grade. Yes. We've talked about this earlier.

my daughter is heading into high school and I don't know I just see these years slipping away and so I just I'm so defensive of the of my time I'm so that I realize that time is so precious that I'm a little little selfish right now I'm a little selfish right now but you're kind of selfless by being that way so right but I just I just I don't want to I'm not ready to give myself I'm like I'm not saying I'm not ready but I'm just that's where I want to spend my time like tonight I could not have been happier to just go to my son's lacrosse game come home do dinner with you and the family and do our thing and that's that's fine and look I know maybe I'll meet somebody and you'll introduce me to somebody or someone will knock me off my feet or whatever but right I'm not in a hurry because I have I work you're not like searching for it if it happens believe it or not I work a ridiculous amount and my my work my work takes me all over the world a lot and it's it's a beating and then when I get my time I'm intensely defensive of my private time. And so I spent it with friends. I spend it with my family. I dive into my kids. Because that's the time to keep you grounded and normal and like happy. And it's hard to fit

somebody else in. It's hard. I can totally understand. And I was married for 19 years. I did it. I was married for 19 years. It's not like I don't understand. Yeah. And it was awesome. And I by the way, loved it. And I love. And that's why I think I'm still, you know, I think viable and why I can still do the job that I do. And maybe better than ever. I don't think I fully appreciated you people when I was married. Yeah. You know, I thought I did, but I really didn't until I started dating. Yeah. And got in the world. I'm like, wow, I get it. I get why a girl, like when people like, oh, why is Caitlin need to show to find a man? Like, she doesn't. I know. She doesn't. She could find a man by throwing a rock on the street corner, but not a good man. Like, Sean Booth don't grow on trees out

here. They really don't. They grow on rock trees because he's a rock. Um, but he, you know, but that's, that's what I learned is like I get it's not the it's not the quantity it's the quality absolutely and finding a good woman a good man is a is a difficult thing and believe me I know this because I've been single for seven years now so I've dated you've dated and you've been married for that and I met and I met her and she's so lovely when's amazing my ex-wife is amazing she really is yeah she lives near here and really yeah I was with her tonight at the lacrosse game we're we're very good friends. You guys do have a good relationship. We've known each other since we were 18 years old.

That's great. And, you know, look, when you come to the conclusion that you're not to be married anymore, it doesn't mean that you don't get to stop parenting. And we both have always agreed that our kids are the most important thing, period. And everything else is secondary. Yeah. And we've just, you have to swallow your pride, both of us. At some point, you both have to swallow your pride and deal with some horrible things and just get over it. And that comes to be friends. Be mature as well. Like my parents were the same way.

Like they, when they divorced, I'm like, is it normal for it to be this healthy? Like my dad's still coming over for Sunday night dinners. No, we do Christmases together. We go to games together.

We, you know, if we're in and out of each other's houses and we just, that's the way we've chosen to do it. There's no right or wrong. Right. And I get it. And like,

it can be toxic and I get that things are toxic and horrible and it's different in every relationship. That's just us. It's just us. Yeah. We're not. I'm not saying that's how it has to be. That's just you guys. I just, that's how I've chosen to live my life.

And that's how I, you know, I always say, like, if I can put my head down on my pillow at night and rest easy, then I've done the right thing. And whether it's about the show, like when people get mad at me about decisions I've made on the show or things I've said or things I've done or in my life, I'm, and again, go back to the whole Texan thing. Life's very simple. I try to do what's right. Only in that moment.

That's all I know. That all you know is what you know. Great way to live, by the way. And in the moment, I try to do what's right. And I will answer to it. And if I'm wrong, I will admit it. But I just, you know, we'll try to do what's right by people, by myself, by my God, by my kids. And when I go to bed at night, I can honestly say I tried to do the right thing.

I don't think you would be able to do this job that you do this many years and this many successful seasons if you didn't feel that way. Well, I feel like the reason that you, Caitlin, or. andy or Ben or Nick or any of these people will come and sit down across from me is because you guys believe and can trust in me that like I I will do my best to believe in you be a good person I won't throw you under the bus unnecessarily I will give you the benefit of the doubt and I will defend you if you deserve it and I feel like all those people that come back and sit in my chair that is the proof that like I I do right by you.

But by the way, if you cross me, you're dead to me. Yeah. I will end you. Yeah. And I tell, and I just like, I'll tell my kids, like, I'm fine right up until the time I'm not. Yes. And if you cross me, I will end you. And by the way, I'm going to have the last word.

Yeah. Like, I'm better at this than you are. So don't. Like, just don't. You are right. I will say that. And that is a reason why when people talk to me about you and say, I'm like, I will get emotional over you just because I'm like, You can't fake that.

You know, you can't fake being a caring person. I hope it comes through. I hope it does. It does. And that's, I love watching you on the show, by the way. It's just my favorite thing in the world to see you sit up there and, and do your Chris Harrison thing. Because I'm like, what are you really thinking about Ari right? Because I just want to get like, because again, I know you.

And I'm just like, what are you really thinking right now? Because you have to be professional, Chris Harrison. And you can also be like the real Chris Harrison. Harrison, which is how anybody is at a job. Right, of course. Anybody. You can be, you know, a degenerate and then you can go to work and be professional. But the way I feel is life's not so black and white.

No. And so, and I always felt like it's not my job to judge you. No. It's not my job to tell you how to feel about Caitlin. It's my job to expose Caitlin for who she is and then let you judge. Yeah. And I think that's why people fell in love with you. I think people had a perception of you.

you. And then I felt like I did my job in exposing you for who you are. And then I let people judge. And then people are like, oh my God, you're right. This girl's amazing. This woman's great. She's so much more than I thought. And I'm like, my job is done here. Right. And I feel the same way about Ari, about Ben, about anything. I'm like, I just feel like my job is to expose you. Yeah. And show you for who you are. And if you're great, you're going to be great. Wait, that's a really good point you expose them and me and whoever for them for who they are that's it and it's not my job to put my spin on you right it's not my job to say it's our job to show like i never i never came out i have later but at the time i didn't come out and say katelyn's the best i love her she's good you guys

should love her like that's that's not how it works like i just i i i want people to see what i see and i feel like if everyone sees what i see then they'll probably end up thinking what i think it just takes time and it's not manipulative I don't find that manipulative at all I just feel like that's you know it's kind of like with my daughter yeah if I go into a 14 year old's room and say don't date that guy she's gonna she's gonna date that guy she's gonna be sneaking out of the house as we speak right now yeah which she might be imagine she's like yeah yeah but darren headlights just looking through your patio door right now and you know so I learned that a long time ago life's not so black and white you don't get to just decide

side she's the bad girl you know she's the bitch he's the villain all that like that's not the way it works i'm always interested of like why is chad like chad like why is one pablo like one like why are they the way they are because you can't change them and you're not going to help them i just want to expose that yeah yeah and then you judge you make up your mind i mean like who the hell are people so mad at you i know why are people so mad at you right now for i think they're back you know i think they're mad about the scene you know it's I find it very ironic and funny that everyone like will yell like oh you guys script the show and it's so produced and it's so edited and then we show an unedited scene I know and everyone's so mad I know I okay so I went through a little bit of a roller coaster

with with um the whole situation so I was like I was like oh my gosh the season's boring not anything to do with Ari I'm like that's great people who are boring I still like I'm not saying it doesn't mean he's a bad guy no but at the end I'm like oh my gosh turn this off and I found myself being like one of those viewers that's all right and then I realized watching I'm like well of course they had to film this like that makes sense now when I think about it because I want to root for Becca why are you so excited about Becca being the Bachelette because she we saw her heartbreak because you watch that exactly and why though think go a little deeper. Let's get a little serious about this. Why do you love her so much? What is it about how she

acted during the breakup that makes you love her and want her to be the bachelor's right? It wasn't just that she got dumped. No. Plenty of people had been dumped. But how did she act in that moment? She was level-headed. She was composed. She asked great questions. She seemed like a normal, relatable human being. She was poised. She had grace. She had strength. She was vulnerable. like all those things that you want a woman to be and a woman can be she was in that moment which you know wasn't put on because she didn't see it coming it was the most raw scene and so now we love Becca because she we know the level she is like we saw her at her rawest moment and she stood up to that moment and she faced it and now as the bachelorette like there's

no one that isn't behind her right so to me like it took that scene make us fall in love with Becca so now we want her to be the Bachelorette. So it's funny to me that people are angry when I'm like that that might have been her strongest moment right and her best moment. And I was having this conversation with my dad tonight because my son had a big game today and he they had a big big day. And there's nothing better as a father than to walk across a field and your son had a just had a big day and a big moment. He was a part of it. And they just have this smile like they're 10 feet tall and bulletproof. And you're like it's just a simple moment. I'm like, and I told my dad, I'm like, man, I said, you don't get it until you're a dad. It's just one of

those days. And he's like, I know. And I said, but you know what's great? And I hate to say it, but it's those moments when they get kicked in the teeth and they have a bad day and they lost the big game. And because you're there for him just the same. Yes. And those are actually the moments they learn the most. It's not when they win. Anybody can be great when they hit the winning shot who can't be, you know, give you great inspiration and be holier than now when you're on top of the world. But how are you when you're getting kicked in the teeth? When you are down and you're being beaten. You're so right. Those are the things you learn from. And so we saw Becca at her lowest and she triumphed. She was a strong, proud, vulnerable, all the things you want in a woman. She was

that. And now we love her as the bachelorette. So to me, I love that. That's why I defend showing that scene. And I think you saw a little bit of R.E. too. I won't make you go there. But to me, it was like, I'm glad now we saw it, which I think a lot of people are as well. But it's just so funny to me because it's like if they didn't see it, they have so many questions. They'd be like, why? Right. We don't know what's going on.

Well, that's the thing. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Did you really do that? Yeah. And there's rumors. And by the way, for Ari, and I told Ari this, I said, look, there's no way. There's no scenario where you come out of this looking good. Yeah.

And he knew that. Yeah, just know that. And I told him before this, I said, if you kick over the sandhill, it's going to be bad. Yeah. There's no, there's no guy in the world that comes out of this looking good. Right. So just know, my point was, just know that you need to be serious about this. This isn't a, hey, I hope Lauren's into me.

I just want to see. This is, you better be damn serious that you want to do this. Because once you go, once you ring this bell, you can't unring it. This reminds me of when I asked you if you'd ever. date a girl from the bachelor or like and you're like that would be the hill that I die on yeah you know if you're going to do that she would have to mean so much to me yeah and yeah you and i've had this discussion i mean a lot of people have asked me if i would date someone from the show but you and you and i've had off camera comments and i said i wouldn't i wouldn't rule it out i mean because that's

silly there's thousands and of probably women by now that have been on the show right but it would have to be a really serious relationship yeah that is someone i just i don't care that you would end it's the law yeah and i say this for and i that's why i i envy rie to a certain degree and people will be mad that i'm saying this but i envy him because he is risking everything for this girl and i it may sound weird but there i envy that yeah like there's some there's a cool part of that that's like you know what and jasonnick did the same thing like everybody be damned screw it screw the world screw yeah yeah Exactly.

And so there's a certain part of Ari that I admire in the fact that he's like, to hell with the world, to hell with everybody, to hell with my PR. And I know everyone's going to yell at me and screaming me, but I love this girl and I want her. Yeah. And he's throwing some jabs and there's something,

there's something kind of romantic about that in a weird way. I understand that. And I get that everyone's mad and I'm not taking that away. I'm not defending him. Like you have the right to be mad. He did, yeah. Did he do Becca wrong?

Yes. Should he have not a proposed? Yes. He admits that. But he did. He did. He made a mistake. He made a mistake. And I've made 30 today. Like so, like, I'm not about to be throwing stones in this glass house. I know. I always think of that too, like on the show. Like, I mean, everybody gets so mad at people. But it's like you probably made really big mistakes today. And if that was like on national television, you'd be like, are people so mad. All you can do in life is make the big. best decision with the information you have at that time. And he chose to propose to Becca because that was the information he had in his heart at the time. Turned out he was wrong. Yeah. That's a big whiff. It's a big whiff. I'll give you that. And put under a big spotlight, it doesn't

look good. Right. But at the same time, the information he had at the time and how we all felt at the time, it was right. I have a question, though. And you might have to be professional Chris Harrison in here, but I just still have to ask it because I'm not being professional. We're a full bottle of Pino in. There is very little professional. I'm like, maybe we should pour another peanut before. But I always wonder too because in situations

like obviously this is a TV show too and I understand having to make a good TV show. Do you think again, I don't know if you can answer this, but do you think that the season was a little bit boring and

you could see that he was so in love with both that maybe it could have got everybody to watch if he did pick the wrong person. So maybe producers are like, oh, you know, I think Becca would be the better choice so that he could turn around and pick Lauren so that everyone tuned in because the season was a little boring. I wish we were that good. You are that good. We're not that good. Yes, there is a reason the bachelor's, how many seasons are we on? Oh, 35. What is it? You don't even know. There's 21. I know, I know 22 bachelors. And then, how many of you have there been like i think we're up to 35 total 13 yeah someone do math oh

you guys are that good um no but that that that's a that's a reach to to think that we could manipulate him into proposing to becca knowing he would break up with her and end up with Lauren is that's a lot that's a large ask even for us that's a large ask that's great you know we believe in the power of you guys here's the thing it i find it funny and you even know this But just from your season, we get way too much credit for stuff. Like, you can't make up some of the stuff that happens. I do agree with that. It's just, you can't.

Like, first of all, you guys aren't that good of actors and actresses. I always say that when people are like, is it scripted? Merrill Streep's not working here. No. And we are, we would be that good. We would be Merrill Streep's if this was scripted. Try and pull this off. I mean, it's not that good.

How the bachelor's not won any awards is beyond me? I know. Yeah, we've never even sniffed it. Which is crazy. I know. 16 and a half years. We've never, never been nominated.

But it's like the highest rate. Like, yeah, we dominated last night. I don't understand it. We dominated the last two nights. Yeah, of course you did.

Whatever. Here's the, I always laugh at it because it's, first of all, it just goes to show you how important awards shows out here in Hollywood. Right. Cating each other on the back.

It's just ridiculous. Politics. Yeah. I'm like, you know what my pickup is? Give me a pickup. Tell me I'm coming back next season. Great.

Done. Yeah, I don't, yeah. I could give a crap less. Totally. So you guys aren't that good as what you're saying. I, no, no, that would be a, that's a little part-fetched even for us.

But I've heard that before we were like, oh, you guys playing, you had this all lined up. And what's funny to me is the, the dots that people kind of connect. Yeah. And I look back and I'm like, wow, that is like some crazy behind, behind the hedge, up in the clock tower conspiracy stuff. Like the moon landing never happened. It was on a soundstage in LA. even do it myself. I'm like, did, okay, the moment I stepped out of the limo and asked Chris if he would plow the F out of my field, were they like, this is the bachelorette we've never had

and let's, no. That was the furthest. I can tell you, I will tell you this. That was the, you were the furthest thing from our imagination of being a bachelorette. And I agree with that because I don't even want to bring up his name, but somebody that spoils it stuff all the time, he knows a lot of inside scoops and he put it out there he goes Caitlin will never be the bachelorette she is way too out there she will never be the bachelorette and I was like and I believed that too because I was like he's right like I would never be I didn't go into that show ever thinking I would be I didn't come out of that show ever thinking I would be

even to the point where when Alon said here's the thing you might be the bachelorette but Britt also might be the bachelor. I was like, it won't be me. It will not be me. There's no way. I am not the... This is how bizarre it is. I still don't think it'll be you.

It's been you and I still don't think. I still don't think you have a chance. There's no way in hell. There's no way we would do that. Yeah. Why would we have you as the best? That's crazy. It's crazy talk.

Canadian as America's sweetheart. Canadian? You read about it. It just doesn't happen. Also, is that true that Lauren's. been engaged three times which which i'm sorry is that the lord from this season okay right there's like eight um i have no idea oh no clue has she you're looking at me dead in the eyes and telling me that so i believe you no i have zero i don't know either somebody just no trust me bachelor nation

100% has more knowledge of this show and people on the show than i do they do the the things they put together when i when they'll they'll look at things cooking chicken and carrots from Right. Exactly. I was just trying to get dinner on the table and get kids like, hey, be with me tomorrow morning. I'm making turkey sandwiches if you want to come over. But like they'll connect things and they'll look at it. And I'll look back sometimes. I'm like, oh, we did do that. Wow. But I will say this. Guys, you give us a little too much credit sometimes. We are good at what we do. We are great producers. We create really good TV and it's beautiful. Yeah. But sometimes you're not that good. Shit happens. That's true. That's true. Yeah. I will say, because I have been there, part of me is like, did I feel that way? And then I'm like, no, I did. Like, I go back and forth all the time.

Look, revisionist history, and this is what Ari will be going through soon. Revisionist history is wonderful. He will start retelling the story so many times and then change the story to, because we all, it's human nature. It's not Ari. Human nature is to start telling a story and to weave a tale that will be easier for you to tell. Yes. and more comfortable for your soul to deal with. Do you think, okay, so I was, as I was watching that and understanding his position,

I was like, you know, people were like, why was he so cold? I'm like, well, he was protecting his relationship with the person he actually loves. So that kind of makes sense. To me, I was like, how did Becca transition from being so heartbroken to now being ready to date again? Was it? Well, just the time frame. And this is one of the most difficult things as a producer. And we learned this during Jason.

Molly season because, you know, the viewer sees this beautiful proposal in New Zealand. They see a McDonald's commercial and they get hungry for Big Mac. Exactly. Come back into a studio. Jason's breaking up with Melissa and asking Molly out. You're like, wait, what the just happened? Yeah. And for us, it happened over months.

And so we actually talked about that. And I talked about it to producers because a lot of our producers weren't around during the Jason and Molly. So sadly, sadly, I am the historian as well. So I remind people of the mistakes we've made and the traps we've fallen into. And that was one of the things when I knew Ari was doing this. And I knew, obviously, long before the show aired, guys, we can't, you know, we have to be very careful how this is fed and shown to the audience. Because you can't just rip the Band-Aid off because people just saw this beautiful proposal in Peru.

And then you can't just all of a sudden, boom, we're in a studio. Hey, we're broken up. I've moved on. We're done. Right. Because people feel cheated. I don't understand the time frame. They didn't get to go on the journey.

And so I thought we did a very good job, a better job, and we only had two nights to do it, of easing everybody into this. That's true. And helping Becca turn the tide and turn the corner in showing that she had moved on. And we gave, we, like I was there, you guys gave her a lot of closure. Yeah. You know, with having her see certain things. Like Monday night was rough and it was sad and all that. But in all fairness to Becca and to our.

that did happen a while ago for them. They've both moved on. And being on Bachelor and, like, thinking I was in love with Chris Souls to, like, I mean, it was probably a week. I was like, wait, I think I'm over it. Yeah. You know, like, you don't understand. Well, it's not, and again, it's not, it's not as simple as like it wasn't real. You're over it.

It's just that. So real. It's just that, like Becca said, I'm always going to have some love Ferrari. Of course. He meant a lot to me. Just like I know you, you still think very fondly of Chris, as I do. But it doesn't mean he's the one for you. exactly and so you're able to move on in those moments that's true that's so true like i always

wonder what would have happened if sean wasn't on my season and because i would have thought somebody was the one you'd be with like a fat slob ben higgins wow i'm not he does have a dad bod he does have a little bit of a dad bod i was saying because of i think of who i would have ended up at the end so you're like you called him a fat slob he's the last thing from a fat slop he's the last thing from a fat slap. Is he going to be the bachelor? We need to knock him down a few pegs. I'm so tired of this guy

getting so much good press. Okay, I can't stand him. He's horrible. Just the worst. He hates children. He kicks, I've seen him. No charity work. I've seen him kick puppies.

Like, he'll go out of his way. He'll walk across the street to kick a puppy. It's horrible. Yeah, he's the worst. There was an old lady. He and I were playing golf the day. He was his old lady. He kicked her.

He pushed her down. Yeah. Pushed her down. He's a horrible man. He's a golf club, I know. That's one of my, one of the worst parts about this is like when people ask about like Sean Lowe and Ben,

I'm like, yeah, they're, yeah, they're good guys. I know. They're good. They are good guys.

You tell me, though, Ben will be the Bachelor one day. He will. Oh, I'd have him back. I would have Ben back as the bachelor. Yeah.

Everyone in the world would want Ben back. I don't think Ben will come back, but. I know because, well, he should. He should. That would be, I mean,

look, I mean, honestly, if Lincoln will be our bachelor, I'll take Lincoln as the bachelor. Call them Erie. It made me so happy. He's a wanka. Ari's a wanka. I'm like, slow clap. I don't know who you are, but Bachelor material.

Right. Oh my God. I love this guy. I love him. And then, yeah, but if Ben would come back, I would cancel Becca's season right now and just, if Ben said, hey, dude, let's do this. But it's going to be, it would be really hard for me. Because you're so close with him. Yeah, he's a good friend of mine.

Right. Ben's a very good friend of mine. I love him dearly. And we hang out a lot and we'll go play golf and we talk a lot and we've been through personal stuff together. So it'd be like doing it with you or with anybody who's become a good friend of mine from the show. It's hard to go back and treat you.

Weren't you good friends with Brad Wilmack? Yeah. Okay. That was hard too. This is a question I have. I'm still friend. I just talked to Brad the other day. Really?

Yeah. I'm going to Austin very soon and I will be. Oh, that's great. And I will probably be staying with Brad. She is so, like, not in any sort of... He's one of my favorite human beings. I remember, okay, so when I was thinking about this, I'm like, I feel like Chris told me he's either one of his favorite or the least favorite.

I couldn't remember what I was. No, I love Brad. I love him. So I always wondered that too for you, you know so much when the seasons are going on and when people, like, you knew I loved Sean. Right. And I mean, I'm not saying I did not care for these other people. Right.

No, I know. But like, when you're walking that other people, you're going to be. person up and be like, oh, here you go. Are you like, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry. It's the worst part of my job. It's actually the only part of my job I don't enjoy. Yeah. Because I understand the other parts where people are being broken up with and heartbroken.

And that's part of it. That's what we all sign up for. Of course. It's that. That's the only time where I'm like, I really don't like this. Because as you know, by that time, I've gotten to know you all. We've traveled together. And when you're down to the final two, final three,

especially the final two like I really usually not all the time but usually I really care for who that is yeah and yeah when when you know the final three come in and I have to walk them in or say it's that sucks I'm telling you I was a little bit upset I there's two things I really remember is when you came us drinking in Ireland oh that's what I want to tell you off the record after something about that one of my favorite seasons ever oh I just I just like I adored you on when I was on The Bachelor. And I remember they dropped me off when it was like Final Four or something. And they dropped me off and they're like, you're going to walk in.

Okay, it was Polly. You're going to walk in. You're going to look to your left. You're going to see Chris Harrison and you're going to keep walking. But I thought he meant like keep walking past you. I thought you're just hanging out in the lobby or something. So he goes, because I don't know TV. You're going to see Chris Harrison just staring at you.

Keep walking by him. He does that. I walk in. I'm like, do-do. Like walking in, there's cameras and you're to my left. And I said, hey, Chris. And I kept walking, you're like, you're supposed to come over to me. And I was like, okay.

That and then also when you came up to me in Bali and you're like, Caitlin, I'm sorry. And I felt like personally upset at you. I'm like, why are you sending me home, Chris? How dare you? You're doing this. Yeah, I was like, why are you wrong? Why are you telling me this?

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What was the context of this? For the record, Caitlin has notes. I'm very professional. You really are. I just, I mean, I didn't know what to expect tonight, but you have your laptop out. You have notes. I brought wine. You set this whole thing up.

Oh, wait. That was, go on. Continue pumping my tires. No, what? No, I was just impressed at how put together you are. Thank you. I know. It's the only thing I really take seriously in life is my podcast.

Freak me out a little bit. I know. But I actually had written out at first. I already passed. notes but I was like I don't know what to bring I wanted to bring you a gift and I was like I would usually just bring a bottle of wine but there's that's bring sand to the beach yeah yeah I just wouldn't do that to you you know my gift what you being in my house my presence is a present it is I don't get to see you very often your eyes are very kind right now I don't like you

mean it I do no I don't get to see you very often I love I love you know I love you and I love to talk to you and we get to do it like through texting and all that stuff but I never get to just sit and I hate that everyone's listening to this because and that's why I kept you to myself and we had dinner with my family earlier. We got to spend an hour and a half of just like telling silly stories because we don't get to, I don't get to do this enough with the people that I love in my life. That's one of the great things about my life and it's one of the bad things is I don't get to see all of you as much as I would love. Yeah. Because you guys are, you're busy. You're going to Nashville and you're all busy. You're on Broadway. I mean, Broadway. So you made

notes. Okay, I made notes. Um, but I wanted to know, can you pour yourself a little more wine? Yeah, we're out. Can I, can I? Please go open another. I'm being slow. Was that an open bottle? This is, this bottle is empty. We're going to open up a different bottle. Okay. Also a peanut noir. Okay. Are we ready for another bottle? Okay. Ask you a question while we're going. What do you mean are we ready for another bottle? Our glasses are empty. The bottle's empty. You have a, um, decanter. so fancy what I did decant the first bottle this very nice but here's my question for you yes because I couldn't think of a gift I'm like what the hell do you get bring Chris Harrison as a gift I don't know I can't bring you a good bottle wine because you'd be like ha ha

Caitlin you're so cute with your little shitty wine she brought me you can brought me a girlfriend oh well I can do that I have about returning the favor oh I mean I mean wait that well that's excessive. Like if I would have brought you a girl with a girl like, Chris, I brought you the perfect girl. I couldn't bring you a perfect wine, but I did. Your kids are here. How about they meet your kids? Actually, one of my favorite things, just I'll, I'll try and stay on track here. But one of my favorite things is when I text to you and you go, we're not going to drink your wine. We're going to drink mine. And I said, you know what? When you're the bachelor and I'm the host and I make your salary, we can drink nice wine. And you said, cool, I'll think about that four years after I'm dead. Right. That was one of the main questions people also asked is when you're going to be. Yeah, I get that a lot. You would never, never in. Let's let's be honest.

And I'd like to ask you. You said a little while ago, like nothing, you know, rule anything out. Well, here's the thing, only because my mom is in the back of my head right now. Okay. Growing up in my entire life, you could never say never. Justin Bieber said that. Yeah. Did you have a song?

Never say never. Yeah. So my mom always said that to me. like you never say never so I always I always say that in interviews like I would never and then my mom's like slapping me in the back of the head because we're always eight years old again but but I will turn the tables on you okay honestly be very very honest could you possibly see me in that role really really let me really think about this I mean really no knowing what it knowing what it takes and not just being the bachelor because that's an easy answer like but

actually doing what it takes and being the person you need to be to be the bachelor being a little naive a little yeah you're right you're right you have to be a little naive you do like it helped me find Sean to be a little naive and and not and I don't mean naive as and stupid what I mean is not knowing the process not knowing how there's not not knowing how the sausage is made yeah you're right I've been doing this for 16 and a half years. I'm a producer on this show. I love this show.

It's been my life. I know I have forgotten more about this show than people will ever know. And so to go in and to act like, because it wouldn't be like you and I were sitting on a date right now drinking our second bottle of wine. I would know everyone in the room.

Yeah. Right? Every photographer, every audio person, every art department. I would be looking behind you at the mirror going, oh yeah, Christy hung that. You know, for me, I was like, are we, you know, is the lighting okay?

Dennis is the lighting okay? You know, like, and I'm thinking as a producer, I'm like, am I getting the content right now from Caitlin? Am I, you know, it's bad enough in my own dating life, much less to be the bachelor. So I don't think I could ever be naive enough and take myself out of the moment to, to truly do the show. Because I tell everybody, and I told you this, to be a good bachelor, that's right. You have to give yourself up.

You have to really let go. There's no way. I don't have that in me because this is my show. This is my baby. And I would care as much, if not more about the show than I would about myself or dating. I even think about Ben being the bachelor again. And I'm like, I don't know how you could do it twice, just knowing what you know and being so aware of how much things can hurt other people at the end. And like everything involved, even behind the scenes, like how you treat the camera crew.

Like everything, I feel like you'd be even more in your own head. Yeah. It's bad enough for the first time. I mean, you know everybody. I mean, you were good about that. I mean, you, you walked in a room, like, hey, Wednesday. Hey, Chad. Hey, you know, I just, I adored that.

Of course. Like, we, they're family to us. And when you are the bachelor, bachelor, bachelor, right, they become family too. And so, yeah, for me to go and just like, turn off that switch and act like, I haven't been doing this for my entire adult life would be, would be insane. But I understand. And I understand everybody's fascination with it. It's an easy. Of course.

I get it. I totally get it. You think about like, Steve. Harvey playing family feud it'd be great to watch right it's funny it's funny it's just but people have to understand too we love what we do we like that we're hosts this is our job and we like that part of it and look maybe it would be great maybe at the end of the day maybe that's what it's going to take for me to find love well never say never say never Justin Bieber should write a song about that it would be a hit uh also just part of my notes

when people like I feel like this is another thing people say all the time. When you say it's the last rose, we all know it's the last rose. I would miss it if you didn't say that. Well, we didn't. We didn't do it one season. What? And people missed it.

Oh. So back in the day, Mike Fleiss, the creator of the show, used to come up with things, we would say, and he would kind of do it until it would make people so angry, they would write a story about it. He would do it to get press. And, you know, this is your final rose, all that stuff is part of that vernacular. and we started doing that and then people would write articles or whatever

and then at one point Charlie O'Connell sees another Bachelor Charlie's like I let's change it up let's let's you know whatever so we all decided okay we'll change it up and I won't do a lot of the technical typical stuff I do

and it just felt weird and you know and I always tell everybody and you can attest to this when you're in the room it's different and especially that first night when I come in and say you know whatever

is your final rose, any of those lines, all the sudden, it's like it's real. All of a sudden, you're on the show and this is really happening. And it's funny how those mechanisms kind of trigger people. And in the room, it really does set the tone. And I know it seems silly on TV, but it's the weight of that moment. That is the most simple explanation that you've ever given and it makes so much sense. It sets the tone. It really does.

it's like it's like reiterating just so you guys know this is it and it really does it changes the tone of the whole room i don't know if it's the second bottle but i the second bottle i think is better than the first no i don't believe you until i try it and i think you have sponsors so i won't give a shout out to the wines right now you can they understand they understand it was it was one of the demands to get chris on the show yeah they're like Okay, whatever it takes. Whatever. Talk about other wines.

That's fine. This podcast is going to cost me a lot of money. What do you mean? Because of the wine. You're the most expensive podcast I've ever been on. I'm like really like dragging out this whole interview just to drink nice wine. I also have a question as I'm reading my professional notes. I'm really interested in the notes.

Yeah, taste the wine. Tell me what you think. Okay. I think it's, I like it a little more. Oh, I do too. That's yummy. is it because it's the second bottle it's like smoother no you know it's a little different no it's a little more expensive it's uh is what it is Caitlin um I know people ask me this all the time

about success rates of why bachelets work more than bachelors what do you think what's your take on women are better people than men that's what that's what I said yeah I mean I really are people really just figuring this out well wait though no I here's my here's my thing okay This is so unscientific. I have nothing to back up any of these theories. This is just me over 16 years. Exactly. Women are.

The superior. They are superior for sure. They're smarter and better people. But I think they are more sincere coming into this process. I think they have a little bit more respect for how crappy it is out there and trying to find a good person. And I think they truly realize this is. maybe, I don't know if it's the best, but a very good forum to find somebody legitimate. Because, again, I've talked to, you know, back of the day, you know, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of girls have come through this.

Like, why are you doing this? Like, you're beautiful, you're strong, you're smart, you're all these things. Like, why are you doing the show? I get it now. I get it. And I think the women come into this and they realize this is a great place to find a good guy. It is. ABC has done. It really is. Yeah, is all the crap you go through, and this is long before you could swipe right or swipe left. But ABC's done the legwork. We've done the work. You're right. We've vetted these guys. We've tested these guys. We've put them through the paces.

And look, there's some knuckleheads that slide through, of course. But you have a great. That also makes it. Of course. You appreciate the good ones. But you have a great chance to find a good guy. I don't think men are smart enough to figure that out. You're right.

Because men can get a little bit of the fame. and the attention and it goes to their head and so men can screw it up and when the women are the bachelorette they're still like they're still grounded and smart and the men are

your fiance yeah and so they are so I think I think that's completely my unscientific reasoning behind it but I mean obviously you know from experience

and I will say too that I think we as a show are better at fostering these relationships long before you the show was over yeah and we'd be like okay circus is gone and you know kately and shan are launched into the ether and that was it we just we didn't know better the the show didn't demand anymore the fans didn't demand anymore there was no there was not a 12 month a year arc of shan and of shan and kathen and so you guys would just be gone well now You guys are a part of our family and you remain a part of the story and you will come back from time.

Whatever. And so we try and really work hard on fostering Ari and Lauren and whoever, you know, and you guys and try and make sure you're taking care of and make sure you have what it takes. And so I would like to think we're a lot better than what we were 10, 15 years ago. But 10, 15 years ago, you offered Trista a wedding and I have heard. I'll offer you a wedding. I'll do your wedding. I know you will. I know you'll

I'll supply the wine And I will officiate your wedding If this is on TV If it is not If it is on a beach If it's in my backyard You will be marrying us But the other thing is this

And 100% As God is my witness On this podcast No editing here No editing here But here's the other thing And people have to understand this And you and I have really

Never talked about this The landscape is changed You know People always hear about What Trista made for her wedding and all that. And they always use that as the tent. But Trista doesn't make all the Instagram money either.

Right. She was in the dark ages and unfortunately it has me, you know, like if Trista, you know, that world doesn't exist anymore. Yeah. That world, it was a novelty back then. That was like a, it was like Princess Die and who did, whoever she married, getting married. Um, it was a huge deal.

I mean, there was 30 million people, 30 million people watching back then. 32 actually. Tell me. Is there? Well, Trista, so the highest rated show ever was actually Aaron Bergey's finale. Which one was that? Right before Trista. He was that fall.

Oh. So Aaron Bergey's finale had 33 million viewers, I believe. And then Trista was the highest rated average. And it was, I mean, the numbers, I used to get up the day after the show is on Wednesdays back then. I used to get up on Thursday mornings and get the ratings. It was just. It's wild. It was a joke.

Yeah. It was a joke. It was like, oh, the Oscars every night. And so that world, you know, does. I understand that. In television doesn't exist. And so, like, would we, and just so you know, and I'm not talking to you, I'm talking to the people, because you know this, the people out there listening to this. Would we love to see JoJo and Jordan get married?

Would we love to see Caitlin and Sean get married and Rachel and Brian, all these people? Of course. My God, I would do a five-hour wedding because I love these people. And so do the producers. and so do all of us. But then you have to go to the network and you have to find time and the schedule. It's not like primetime hours just are given to us. Right.

It's not like that. So what we do is we go pitch our case to the network and the network says, okay, how viable is this? How much money can we make? How are the viewer? And so there's a lot that goes in. It's not like people, here's the thing. This is what I would love for people to know. the decisions that are made eventually as to who gets married and who doesn't and why is not it has nothing to do with if we like people or not same thing with being the bachelor or not being the bachelor or the bachelorette or whatever it has very little to do if we like somebody there's nobody in our group of family that doesn't love katelyn it's not like we sit in a room and go do we like this chick not really let's not do the wedding it's not like that that's not how this goes and it goes like that for the bachelor of the bachelorette too it's it comes down to it's a business and we have to figure out can this business model work can we make money is there room on the schedule and all that do you deserve it yeah I mean I would like again you're preaching to the choir I'm I'm there with bells on I don't I don't sit here and think do I not deserve a what I don't think that I know I do and do I sit here and be like that's what

I need no I'm not like I need a bachelor wedding to like move on but I know you also I know you guys and I'm throwing a big blanket here that like sometimes you feel slighted and I get it because we can't service everybody and it you know I talked to Andy about this I talked to a lot of my friends in in the group about this you know like we had um Ari and Jojo and Rachel on the winter games well we only had room for three judges so people got left out it's like well why didn't you have Caitlin or why didn't you have whoever it's like they're I was involved in that conversation right I was on Broadway so right exactly So there you go.

A lot of people don't see that. Yeah, I know. And it sucks. It doesn't mean we don't love all these people. And it's a hard thing. But our family is growing every day with more and more children. And it's hard to include everybody. But just know that it's there's no less love for everyone.

It's just we can't fit everybody in the station wagon. I think it's a good way to Google that. I don't think they have station wagons anymore. The ones where the seats like switch backwards and you can watch it. Yeah. I love that. I think it was more. us were like it was like one of our seasons that came out of it where it was like the first

run around where we didn't do do the wedding the wedding because there were some that didn't do well right there were some weddings that we did but i'm like but you're doing bachelor and paradise weddings but would your thing was like you wouldn't do a bachelor at wedding on a bachelor in paradise show right exactly yeah exactly that makes no sense we're not going to fly you guys down to Mexico I mean I would yeah this is at the end of the day people think it's up to you because you're the host and they're like why Chris Harrison it really is funny why are you not giving I get that I am the I look the good and the bad of this I am the face and the voice of this franchise and I have been for the since it since it's inception and so I take that and I have to go you know people will

I promise this will happen as we're sitting here this is the day after Ari yeah people are going to try and pit me and Ari against each other that I don't like Ari, that I'm against Ari and I love Becca and I'm team Becca and I even I tweeted out tonight. I'm like, you can love Becca and wish Ari and Lauren well. Those things, I hope. Those things aren't mutually exclusive. And so and you know, Ari will say some stuff and then people will say, well, what do you think about Ari saying this? And I'll disagree. And so you hate Ari. It's like, no, no, Ari's fine. He's a good guy. Yeah. Yeah. So, but I, that's the, that's the business. And so I get it. I'm, I am the face of this show. I'm the voice of the show. If there's a controversy, who's out there taking the bullets? Who's out there in front of it? I am. That's, that's part of my job. And I'm fine with that.

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My mom just absolutely loves you, by the way, because of the time that I was getting it so bad. Is she single? Why did I just think about that? I'm like, I'm like, no, she's not. That's so messed up. But oh my God, Matt. Father Chris.

It's so messed up. Oh my God. Is it weird that I really would love if you or my dad? I'll make you carrots and mac and cheese too. I see that I can have that even if I just come over for a visit. So I'm going to take that way. But she was like, do you remember Caitlin the time that he said he, because a woman on the internet said like something bad about me obviously.

you're like, I, I would have you parent my child over this one. That's what I said. My mom will never forget that. Because you and my daughter, Taylor, are good friends. I mean, you're close. I love her friends, but she's 14, which I think is part of it. I could be closer I would though. But no, I, and I saw you around my, my kids.

And I said that during the show. I'm like, you are my kids role model. My kids look up to you. I had the best conversation with your daughter, like an hour before that situation, like, where we bonded. Yeah. I was like, thank you for saying that. It was really nice.

Do you think you can tell at the end of a season if a couple is going to make it or not? No. No. Because you can't tell ever. And not that you could probably answer this, but has anyone surprised you? Probably me.

Yeah, people surprised me. People have surprised me both ways. Right, the breakups to the ones that make it. But the ones that make it. Like Andrew Firestone was one that I'm like, okay, you know, he and his girl are going to make it. And they didn't. Right.

I would have bet a million dollars. How long were they together? I don't remember. I don't even remember. That's a good question. It was a while. I mean, it was like a year or so, I would say. And then there were those like Charlie O'Connell, and he was with a girl named Sarah at the time.

I'm like, okay, that's going to last, like the flight home. And they were together for a while. They did break up eventually, but they were together for a while. And I'm like, you know, so you just don't know. And that's why at the end of the day, I say, why don't we just root for everybody? And then what happens, happens? Because why not want happiness for somebody?

Well, I mean, I'm the same way. I agree. And it's easy. I know why people don't. It's just, but. But I focus on it more to wish them unhappiness. Let me just say this right now. You're all right.

Someone's going to break up. Like, that's the odds. The odds are Caitlin and Sean are not going to get married and they're not going to stay together. That's the odds. Yes. The odds are against you. just as they were against me and my wife. And so if you make it, you've beat the odds.

And so my thing is, why not root for Caitlin and Sean? Like, why not give them all the positivity you can and the love and the support? And then if shit happens, shit happens. And don't you think that it's like a proving yourself thing where Ari and Lauren, if they're together in a while, people will root for them where people weren't rooting. You think people were rooting for Jason and Molly? No. And now they're married and have babies. And it's like, oh, we love Jason and Molly.

Exactly. Because they beat the odds. And so why not root for them and just support them? And I almost said that. I got tight on time, but I wanted to go off the other night. Yeah, of course. And off script, as I always do. And just say, you know what?

I get that because the whole vibe in the audience and whether you appreciate or like that Ari proposed to Lauren is up to you, I'll agree. It was weird. It felt weird. It felt weird at the time. Why he did it is totally up to him. But he decided it was the time. She decided it was okay and accepted the proposal. They're engaged right now.

So, okay, that's on them. So God bless him, man. Go get it. That's what I said. You guys have found happiness in each other. So go get it. I was Snapchating last night being like, as I do, just being raw and be like, ah. And when he finally did it and he said, I don't care.

other people think like I'm happy I was like good on you I was like I'm kind of mad at myself I'm just so annoyed at him it's so easy to get caught up in it and then put it on lore and put it on and so I get that but I what I wanted to say to everyone last night if I could have had like 30 45 seconds more time was like how about this how about we just try something different America how about we just root for these two right let's let's take away the fact that you're not happy he proposed to becca I get it I'm not happy either he's not either right so okay let's throw that out right and let's take the fact that he is now engaged to lauren and let's just root for him and we're all so happy that beck is the bachelor's right beck is fine like yeah you can't

be so upset because well he hurt becca Becca's okay okay so Becca's fine she's living she's living her best life she's my bacheloret I'm going to take good care of her okay so that's done now what are you mad at right so how about we just root for they will find something they will but how about we just root for Ari and Lauren and let's just see what happens and I will say that people watch this show for a love story I watch it for a love story so at the end of the day he got a love story

and Becca gets to be the Bachelorette so really everybody wins we all win not all fairy tales are told the same way got the radio I want to play a game with you quickly it's called the word association game

blue nope That was not right. I'm going to say people's names, and you're going to say, don't even hesitate, Chris, okay? This is so dangerous at this point. What does your mom call you, Christy? Chrissy. No, she calls me Chrissy.

Why is it Christy? I feel like I've been confessing everything tonight. There are two women in my life that call me Chrissy, my mom, and then my cousin, Teresa. Okay. Yes. Cousin Teresa. That's what you've confessed to me tonight. Oh, look at you go.

like the fifth thing I've told you tonight. Okay, my confession to you earlier was that I got a $5,000 facial, but I didn't pay for it. But I was thinking the whole time I was getting a facial because he did Kim Kardashian's facial. I don't even like, I'm not like a Kim K fan. I like her. I think she's great.

Smart business woman. Nothing bad to say. But the whole time I was like, what am I going to say if I run into her? And my whole thing, I had it all played out in my head. I was going to go, oh my gosh, you're like really pretty in Instagram. I was hoping you, but you're so beautiful in real life. That's what I was, that's what was going through my mind. She is beautiful in real life.

You've seen her. I've, I've talked to her many times. I've not played golf with her. You've talked to her many times? Um, yeah. Kimmy Kay? Have you hooked up? Kimmy Kay.

I know, no. No. I'm like trying to get so many headlines. You know, Chris, obviously Chris, her mom is a big member of Bachelor. I love Chris. Chris is a friend of mine and she is a big fan of the show she is she's a big fan of the show and I've known her for a while and we'll do dinner every now and then yeah when we have time but yeah I've run into Kim a few times and she really is strikingly beautiful she's one of those people there's a very few people in this town where you where you see them and you're you say wow yeah she is phenomenally beautiful Kim and Kim is one of those people when you see her you're like okay I get it she is really a beautiful woman here's my word association game are you ready to for this. Let's go.

You cannot hesitate, okay? I got this. You can't. Sean Lowe. What did you just say? Sean. You heard me. Did you say Sean Lowe?

Sean Lowe. Christian. Okay. You thought about that. We'll get better. No, no. I was going to say good guy, but I'd say Christian. I'd like to say that goes together.

Juan Pablo. Okay. I would say you okay. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. It's okay. Okay.

Ashley I love her me too Corinne I'd like to get a know or more okay jury's out yeah yeah I'd like to know I kind of agree with you on that one I again I I'm not so black and white I like to get to know people and I don't know her well enough right really make an informed call on on who she really is you're good Chris Harrison you're good Jillian Harris my Canadian redneck that's too many words but Canadian redneck it's okay you can say more than one adore isn't she just yeah

she's one of my favorites any girl that I'll pull my finger like a dad yeah yeah she yeah I totally understand Jillian Harris is one person I can totally understand if you like her better than me no no you can't no I do I do I love

love Jillian and I don't run it she's another one I don't run into enough I because she's in Canada um Chad Johnson misunderstood really he should be the bachelor No.

Okay. No, it shouldn't be the bachelor, but misunderstood. Okay. I agree with you on that from what I don't know. Just so people, no, I don't dislike Chad. I think he deep down, and I could be wrong. Again, I don't know him so well. I think he has a kind soul.

I think it's in there. I think there are things that make him blow things up at times. So, again, going deeper. So I'd say misunderstood. It's not so black and white with Chad. He's not a, I, I would like to dive deeper into that someday. Sean is on the same page as you. Sean follows him on certain things and he's like, I think this guy's misunderstood.

He is. Yeah. Okay. So I chose the right word. Okay. Ari. Jury's out. Okay.

I like Ari. He's a friend of mine. Of course. But I think people need to see how this goes. He needs to prove himself. Yeah. I think he's, he, but he's done this to himself and I think he's okay with that. And I think, and I will say this, I believe in Ari.

and I think he will prove us all not wrong because I think there's a lot of people behind him but I think he will prove us right and everybody wrong and that I think this will work. Okay. Caitlin Bristow. The best.

Ah, you're good. I don't know if you're misunderstood or not. Do people misunderstand you? I don't think I'm misunderstood. No? I don't know. I think people finally know you. Yeah.

I honestly... Here's what I say. Ask me again. Caitlin Bristow. What you see is what you get. I agree with that. because I think people were really curious about that at the beginning of Crystal season

where I came out and I was like, you were putting on a little much. But I was a little much in that time. Yeah, I know. You were. That was your phase. Yeah. You know what you were?

That was your Madonna 80s phase. It was a pivotal time for me. Yeah, it was. No, it was the like, it was like a virgin phase. Touched for the very first time. Yeah. That was your, that was your Madonna. phase. That was your 80s Madonna phase. Kids Google that. Yeah. Yeah. And then you've evolved. You've

become a very different woman. Very. And I hate to sound like the dad, but you have, I've watched you grow and evolve and you've become a different woman. But you haven't changed. You're still, I'd still say, what I see is what I get. But you've definitely progressed in your professionalism and the things that what, I mean, look, you've grown up and so things mean different to you and things mean more to you. Well, I even told you earlier when you were cooking chicken for the kiddos

that I like sit back now and I'm like, oh, I feel like such an asshole for being late all the time on the show or like certain little things like that because I see how important they are now where I worked in a restaurant before. You know, like... What restaurant?

Cactus Club. I was a waiter at the Olive Garden. Were you really? Mm-hmm. How long? In college, one summer. Free breadsticks. Oh, God, I ate more breadsticks.

My, so I was, I was already with my girlfriend who became my wife. Oh, Gwen. Yeah. And she's like, you've never been fat a day in your life. You were. Until now. You were kind of pudgy that summer. She's like, you were kind of, because I had.

Well, make sense. Because I was so poor. I was in college and I was so poor. So I took so many breadsticks and like salad and like soup home and stuff. You're like Aladdin. I was just eating like a, I was just a stuff. stuffed pig. That makes sense, though, because...

You know the Atkins diet? What's the anti-Hakins? Yeah, I was like, is that where you don't eat carbs? You only ate carbs. I was on the OG diet. That was it. I was like, you could not eat enough pasta and breadsticks. Well, there you go.

Aren't you part Italian or someone in your life as Italian? My ex-I have an ex-wife who's Italian. Oh, she's Italian. Yeah. Oh, well, then there you guys. You probably found it attractive. Yeah, exactly. I'm like trying to look.

I'm like, did I miss any... Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. Nick. We're still in the word. association game. A friend. Oh, he is.

Great. Can I change that? Yeah. Really good runner. He is a good runner, isn't he? This sounds weird, but I work out like a lot of the guys or you or whatever. And we're in, I'll never forget

we're in New Orleans. And me and Bennett, one of the co-executive producers and I, and Nick, went for a run. So we're running through downtown, through the French Quarter and all that with Nick. Nick was a college runner. Yeah. And I'm athletic.

Like, I played, I played college soccer and Bennett played college soccer as well. So we can all run and we're on a good pace. And Nick goes, guys, I'm going to stretch it out a little bit. And I'm like, okay, yeah, whatever. And I'm like, I'm just going to stay on this kid's hit, like just to show him what an old man can do. Yeah. He took off like a freaking gazelle. It was so like.

Majestic? Yeah. It was like, it was like a move. All the sudden he was moving in slow motion and I was hearing music. You heard you know, Connor. Yeah. And I'm like, what is happening? And he just.

took off, and I'm like, couldn't keep up with him. There was nothing in my body. Nothing compared. No, it wasn't that. It was more chariots of fire. And it was like, and I just, there was nothing in my body that could keep up with his body. And Bennett and I just looked at each other and were like, oh, shit. Yeah.

And then we blamed it on the fact that he's young and we're old, but we never could run. Anyway, that's a bizarre side note, but he was a hell of a runner. Try being engaged to Sean Booth. Okay. I did. I feel inadequate. Just so you know, we were just. You looked at me so.

We looked, you were looking down. You're like, yeah, and you looked at me and you went, Sean and I engaged, we were engaged for six weeks. I just want you to know. And by the way, this is your confession. He's a terrible kisser, and that's when I broke up with him. Well, depends on who you ask. He, so can we talk a little bit about Sean for a second?

Please. He disgusts me. Because he's so hot. It's disgusting, his body. So let me ask you this. Do you look at it now? Because I think most women would look at it and be like, oh, dear God, I'm going to like wash my clothes on his abs and just stare at him. Right.

Like, here's what most women would do. I'm going to be, I'm going to be most women. Sean, stand at the end of the bed and they're in your underwear, no shirt, no nothing. And just don't speak. I just want to look at you. Right. But are you sick of it? Yeah.

I look at him and I'm like, hey. You think I'm really going to get naked in front of that? Yeah, no, I'm not. So lights are off all the time now. Lights are dim. Lights are dim. Lights are dim. Lights are dim.

Lighting's everything. Lighting is everything. Okay. For example. That's why I don't date any women under 85. Yeah, do you like 50-year-olds just slide right into your DMs? Like, um, can I tell you something weird that's happened in my life? Please.

When you start giving the. Hey, are you single? My mom. Oh, no. And that's just like, oh, wow. You're like, there I am. There it goes. I can't wait for that.

I've become David Hasselhoff. There you go. It's not really a bad thing. I'm huge in Germany. You know, that seriously has happened where you're like, my mom is single or my mom. You're like, oh, wow. If you guys have a memory like me and you already forgot all the sponsors that I talked about, here's a quick reminder.

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