Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Miranda Hope | MomTok, Dating As A Single Mom, & The Bachelorette

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Starting point is 00:01:00 Now let's get into it. Hey everybody, welcome to Off the Vine. I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow. Now, picture this, okay, going through a divorce, co-parenting in the public eye, navigating exes, dating your friends, rumors about swinging, and fans campaigning for you to be the bachelorette, all while raising two children and looking like you just stepped out of a leg day tutorial. Okay, today's guest has quietly become one of the most intriguing women on reality TV. She joined the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives on Season 2 and somehow manages to stay composed. in a cast full of very, very strong personalities. So we're talking co-parenting with Chase. We're talking about the real dynamics with the mom-talk girls. I even asked, I had a feeling at one point. I was like, is Chase still in love with you? Would you guys ever get back together?

Starting point is 00:01:44 We also talked about dating as a single mom, glow-ups, beauty pressure, regret, growth, and whether she'd ever hand out roses as The Bachelorette. So I think you're going to really like this conversation. I sure did. Please welcome Miranda, Hope, to Off the Vine. I cut a bob, and it was like so good, and I loved it. but the second it started growing out, it just went all like, and yours is so thick.

Starting point is 00:02:04 Like, do you have certain extensions that I need to be getting? I just, I, so when I cut it, I took out all but like one, like, thin row. And I honestly feel like I need to take more out. I feel like it's almost a little too thick, like just at the bottom. But I haven't had it for like long enough where I feel like it's gone to like the awkward length yet. So I'm like, I probably, I might run into that. So I'm like, and then you have to make a decision. And I'm like, I don't know if I'm like ready to decide.

Starting point is 00:02:27 Yeah, that's what I'm like keeping up with the bob. am I going like me I don't know I don't know we'll see you a bob is so fun until it's not and then you have and then you're in the awkward phase and that's where I'm at right now that's why my hair looks like this because I'm I'm like I just I'm going to put it in a little pony and look at it it's like a little like spread I'm like but yeah when you're not home and you're not in your routine I'm like all it matters to me is that my visa is on the way and I could be home by tomorrow and I'm like okay we are turning the beat around I'm going to be positive I'm so happy and I'm so happy to talk to you too. It's so nice to meet you. Fun addition. It's so nice to meet you. The vibes were a little

Starting point is 00:03:03 iffy season one. I feel like season one was just season one of anything is pretty chaotic. And I feel like there's so much happening. Marriages were imploding. Friendships were shifting. And the whole swinging scandal basically blew up with the internet, which also started the show, which we're all grateful for. But you were kind of adjacent to all of that, but not actually on camera. So what was happening behind the scenes for you during that chaotic time? Yeah. I, was dealing with, you know, marital issues that I was like, I don't know that putting this on reality TV would save my marriage by any means, which ultimately, obviously, there's no saving it either way. However, having it be on TV would have made things a lot harder.

Starting point is 00:03:46 And so that was ultimately like a huge reason why I decided not to do season one. But then once, you know, we split and I had had some time to heal and, you know, it came to season two and they approached me to be on season two, I just felt a lot differently about things. And I think I'd done a lot of healing. And then also, I didn't have to deal with all the marital stuff. And even now, just watching everything unfold the way it does for all of the other relationships, I count my lucky stars all the time that I'm like, I'm so glad that I'm single. What a beautiful thing. I know, right? Relationships are so messy and so complicated. even when they're beautiful and it's just so hard.

Starting point is 00:04:30 So you originally were asked to be on season one, but you were like, let me get through and figure this out first. Yeah. How mature of you? Thanks. Well, I mean, I think it helped that I had just come off of like the whole swinging scandal and all of that.

Starting point is 00:04:43 So you realize that all of that isn't really like what it's cracked up to be and like what's worth it and what's not. And so I think I was very much like jaded by the online scrutiny and all of that that. that I'm like, I don't know that sacrificing my peace, you know, when I would just fought for my life for a few years. I'm like, I don't know that I'm ready to subject myself to that again. But season two, you're like, you know what? I'm into it. Yeah, season two, I'm like, you know, now that I got rid of him, let's run it back, actually. I'm a single mom now, all right?

Starting point is 00:05:19 Yeah, it's fun. It's different. And I feel like it's always fun to experience reality TV. I can only say that because I've experienced it. But what surprised you the most once filming actually started? Probably the fact that it wasn't as toxic as I think I was expecting. Obviously, everyone's experience is different in that. Like, you could ask each and every one of us that question. It would probably be very different for everyone. However, like, as crazy and strange as it sounds,

Starting point is 00:05:47 I almost feel like it's been, like, therapeutic in the sense that I think I had a lot of people-pleasing tendencies. and in what other situation are you being put in where you are, like, forced to be confrontational on, like, a fairly consistent basis and, like, speak your feelings and, you know, set boundaries. I think it really pushes you to have to do that. It's kind of like, all right, sink or swim, like, you either establish these boundaries and decide, you know, what you are or aren't okay with or you get, like, bulldozed, essentially. So I think it's, like, actually been really good for me in that sense. It's really helped with my evolution as a person for sure.

Starting point is 00:06:26 That's so valid because there is a lot of strong personalities on the show. Obviously, you need that for a TV show. And then you kind of find your way and you find who you gravitate towards and you find out who you are as a person and how you want to stand up for yourself and what makes you feel like good and safe and what makes you be like, oh, I got to have a boundary here. So who did you naturally gravitate towards? I actually would say that like coming into filming for season two, I would say was probably closest to Jen and Whitney. And I still have a good relationship with both of them,

Starting point is 00:07:00 but I feel like as time has gone on, I've like developed like a very different friendship, I think, with all of the girls. I would say like as a whole, I'm probably closest to Lila. And like, you know, she's been one of my best friends for a few years now. But that's another thing that's actually been really surprising.

Starting point is 00:07:15 The developing of like genuine friendships, you know, just because you never know when it comes to reality TV, right? I think viewers know that there's a love. level of it that it's like, oh, it's, you know, this is a television show and they've got, you know, production involved and there's editing and that's just kind of the way it goes. And so you, you know, they view it as mostly real, but it's like how deep are these relationships actually? But I think that's something that has also surprised me is like that our friendships are actually

Starting point is 00:07:42 very genuine. And I think that's probably what creates a good dynamic is because it's, there's more emotion because, you know, you're naturally going to take things more personal because, you know, when something happens, it cuts deeper. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And is there anyone that is different when the cameras are off? Because I witnessed that a lot in Bachelor World. I was like, wait, who are you?

Starting point is 00:08:00 When the cameras would be off, they'd be a completely different person. Is anyone like that? You know, I used to think, like, at first, I felt like sometimes Whitney a little bit, but not even in the sense. Like, I think Whitney is just, like, such a performer in general that I think, like, I think it was, like, kind of a subconscious thing. I don't think, like, Whitney went out of her way to, like, play things up necessarily. I think now that she's like come into herself a lot, I don't think she's that way.

Starting point is 00:08:25 But like I feel like, especially at this stage that we're at right now, I feel like all of us have evolved a lot since season one. I feel like we're all pretty much who we are off camera. I even think that way like I love putting it on. I love performing. I like entertaining and I like being funny. And I had to even check myself sometimes being like, oh, am I just still the same person? I always want to show up the same.

Starting point is 00:08:49 But, I mean, there's always a level of performative when you're being filmed all the time, right? Like, the cameras can go off and I'm like, okay, shit, thank you. I'm tired. Like, it's, so I see what you're saying. It wasn't in, like, a manipulative way. It was just her being like, I'm an entertainer. I think, yeah, I think sometimes it really is subconscious. Yes, I agree.

Starting point is 00:09:05 I agree. And season three especially showed, like, real fractures, particularly between Latia and Kate. And when two strong personalities are at odds in a tight group, but usually ripples. But did you and Lela feel, like, hold into that? Oh, for sure. But there was also so many other like components to that whole situation that it wasn't even necessarily just like, you know, the the Kate and Latia of it all. Like I had my things as well with Kate that made me need to take a step back.

Starting point is 00:09:33 And not anything like that I like think that she's like a bad person or anything like that. It was more or less like I am just like always the middleman in like every dynamic I swear in my life. And so I think in order to really protect like my. co-parent relationship and like my own piece. I think like her relationship with Chase like got to a point where I like needed to like just set a strict boundary and just be like like like I don't want to hear about either one of you from either one of you like figure your stuff out. But like I'm I like it's too much for me because it was just hard because I would hear things from Kate and then I would ask Chase about it. And he's like no that's not at all what happened or you know. And I'm just like I'm

Starting point is 00:10:13 not getting involved in your love life like you're my ex husband. This is like that's a boundary I want to set. And so like I obviously I wish her nothing but the best, but I think like I had my own things with that situation aside from like the the Kate and Latia of it all, but also like, you know, like, Latia is also one of my best friends and I, her and I have like gotten really close to. And so I also, yeah, I am. There's a level of like being protective of her as well. So yeah, it's definitely like a very nuanced situation, I would say. Yeah. And I'm sure there's conversations and situations that happen off camera that we don't see. But you say that you're always the middleman in certain situations. I find myself doing that.

Starting point is 00:10:47 too. Do you think staying neutral is harder than picking a side? Sometimes, yes, for sure. I think that's what's hard is it's like, it's hard when you like genuinely do feel neutral about a situation, right? Because like, I think, I mean, you see it in, in the season when I, you know, with the Dakota and Taylor and Schneyev at all and having to feel like, okay, cool, well, now I've got my best friend that I'm having to deal with this with. And then, and also like Taylor, who like, we've now, like, rekindled things and, like, we're at a good place with our friendship.

Starting point is 00:11:20 And now I'm like, okay, well, what am I supposed to do? You know, and so sometimes it's almost like, okay, well, how do I make a decision? And, you know, ultimately, I, like, later did end up making a decision. And, you know, people will continue to see that play out even more. But, yeah, I think for sure sometimes. And I never want to be, like, a friend to all is a friend to none. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:11:41 So, like, where it's, yeah, I'm just like, oh, everything's fine. everything's great. Everyone can be friends and we can all get along. Because like, yeah, I definitely have that approach with things. I do feel like I have a pretty neutral personality. But at the same time, when I do have a pretty black or white opinion, I'm like more than okay to share it. Yeah. And just for context for people, I obviously got to see season four. And there's a moment where, you know, Taylor's going to go on The Bachelorette. Dakota, they love to do the sabotaging thing to themselves and one another. So Dakota decides he's going to secretly hang out with one of your best friends who I think Taylor has a history with. And it's just, it's messy as per usual.

Starting point is 00:12:21 But I did like the way you stepped in there with your sexy little raspy voice at the time. And you were just kind of like, we got to figure this out. This is messy. This is bad. This is what's going on. And you kind of were like, you could kind of tell you came into your own in that moment instead of being, you know, neutral. You kind of stood your ground and like, here's what's shitty about this. And here's what's happening.

Starting point is 00:12:41 and you were kind of, you were the right friend to everybody. You weren't just people pleasing, you know what I mean? Well, yeah, thank you. I think with that, I'm very, I take the approach with my friends where when it comes to dating, I'm like, look, I don't want to ever be the friend that's going to chastise you for like going back to an ex or, you know, doing something that maybe I wouldn't do whatever because I don't want to be the type of friend that like when shit hits the fan, you don't have somebody to come to. With that being said, I also am going to create those boundaries where if like your actions and your

Starting point is 00:13:10 toxic relationship is affecting me and my piece, I am going to set a boundary and tell you when it's wrong. And the thing that was frustrating about that is that I had told Shania from the get-go, this is going to be bad for me. This is going to put me in a shitty position. This is going to be worse for you. And like, you know all of the ins and outs of like the way that like Taylor works. And also like I knew that she had, her and Taylor had multiple conversations about, you know, like her ex-s situation ship and Taylor's kind of helped her through that. So there were just so many layers to it where I'm like, this is not a good idea. So then for her to continue to do that,

Starting point is 00:13:43 it just felt like a slap in the face and like completely disregarded. So at that point, too, I'm like, no, this is making my life harder. Now I'm in a shitty position. And like I, it, you know, fueled that fire, I think a little bit to be, you know, more straightforward and confrontational about it and be like, like, I don't support this. Yeah, you were like, this is the time for me to step in and actually like, because it was just going to ruffle so many feathers. And then it did.

Starting point is 00:14:06 And, you know, it's just the whole song and dance that happened. and so often between Dakota and Taylor. But I just, I still can't get over. I love Taylor when I met her and we got to do this bachelor at reunion. Like, I always loved her. I love when people can live in, in the messy parts of life. I love when they're honest about it. But I just want to like sit her down so many times and be like, why are you doing this to

Starting point is 00:14:28 yourself? But she's like, well, I know I'm doing it to myself. She's like so self-aware that it's hilarious, but I cannot get over watching season four, knowing she's going into the role of being the Bachelorette because, but it kind of kind of is like par for the course with her season where it's like she's unapologetically who she is we're breaking the mold of what a bachelorette has always been like supposed to be because we've always been told to fit inside this box i was told to cover up my tattoos i had to cut my hair a certain way i wasn't allowed to wear a bright lipstick i got absolutely destroyed for going on a few dates

Starting point is 00:15:00 before becoming the bachelorette and i'm like what the hell is so wrong with me just being myself and with taylor i'm like oh she's like not only breaking that mold like she's like she's like not only breaking that mold like She's like burning it down with gas. Shattering it. Yeah. Shattering it. But I'm also worried. Did you guys worry about her going into that in the headspace she was in?

Starting point is 00:15:19 Oh, 100%. 100%. Yeah. I think that's the thing is it's like it's such a great and commendable thing that Taylor is as self as where she is. However, at the same time, it's hard because we're like, you know like what you need to do. Like come on. Like you just want to like shake her and be like, wake up, right?

Starting point is 00:15:38 But again, I think that's also that role as a friend to like that fine line to walk of being supportive of them and not making them feel shame so that they don't want to like come to you and they don't want to open up to you. And I think that's kind of the approach we've tried. But, you know, obviously it does get to a point too where it's like, we're tired, you're tired. We all know how to solve this situation. There's one route. You're just not taking it. And so it gets exhausting. And so and, you know, you see that in the season.

Starting point is 00:16:06 And it is hard as a friend, like, knowing that there's not really anything you can do, right? It's their, it's, you know, their fight to fight. And, you know, we'll see how it all plays out with Bachelorette. But all in all, like, Taylor was a great pick because she does definitely break the mold. And that's, you know, one of the things that's so great about her and what will make a great season for Bachelorette. Yeah. And I still think, like, so many things can be true at once. She can be in a messy part of her life and still have feelings, but she can also still want to move away from that and find a true.

Starting point is 00:16:36 true happiness in a different partner and see the light and realize that life can be different. Like both of those things can be true. And she's just being proof of that. And I'm really excited for her because I hope it works. Yeah. I'm like, don't we all? We do. I'm like, break the damn cycle. She sees it. She's so close. I can just see it and sees him forward. I know. Just being like, who wants to break that cycle. And everybody's just like, break it. It's hard because like her and Dakota both are just, neither one of them are taking the initiative and it's like somebody's got it. So who's it going to be? I don't have many favorite parts of the new year, but I try and look for the little things in the new year, like setting little tiny goals

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Starting point is 00:19:56 comes to your scalp and hair. To try it for yourself, go to www. www.hairstory.com slash off the vine and use code Vine 15 for 15% off your order. Moving on to Demi, are you in contact with her after season three wrapped? Um, no. I haven't spoken to her since the reunion, I think. Well, this last season, I guess, like, she's obviously, she's in four. So that's, you know, whenever she left season four was like when I last saw her, spoke to her. So probably dancing with the stars, actually. Yeah, that makes sense.

Starting point is 00:20:35 And is the group chat alive or dead? I'm like, which one? Well, I mean, there's probably a few, isn't there? But no, it's very a lot. The group chat we have now very much alive and well. She's thriving. We kind of touched on this earlier, but season four is such a turning point for,

Starting point is 00:20:54 well, such a turning year for you. You're single, you're evolving, your confidence just feels different. I want to know if we're going to see more of your romantic life. Like, is there anything you can tease in that area? Are you dating anyone? Do we get to see it? I'm not dating anyone.

Starting point is 00:21:11 I don't know. I've been asked this a lot recently, and I'm just like, I don't, yeah, well, first of all, I don't get out much. I'm like, I feel like I'm between mom life and then, like, career-wise. I'm like, I just don't really do much beyond that. But I also am like, I just don't really get the sense that my person's in Utah. So I'm like, I guess I just like, there, you know, through like meeting people through work and whatever.

Starting point is 00:21:34 I'm like, maybe it'll just fall in my lap. But I'm like, I don't really have the time to like date seriously right now. You know, it's just like my schedule is so chaotic that I'm open to it. I would love to find like somebody at some point, but I'm not necessarily like in a rush to. It's kind of just been like this last year. I haven't really dated at all, to be honest. It's just been like my focus has been my kids in my career. I'm like, I should really, I said on the season, I'm like, yeah, I'm like ready to start

Starting point is 00:22:00 putting myself out there. here I am still like, yeah, maybe I'll start putting myself out there. Still just like not a whole lot going on over here. You're putting yourself out there in ways that doesn't necessarily mean you're like out hunting for guys and wanting to date. You're putting yourself out there in a different way where you're like you said, a more evolved version of yourself and you are probably going to find it when you least expected and maybe it won't be in Utah.

Starting point is 00:22:22 If you weren't living in Utah, where would you live? I've actually like thought about moving to Nashville, oddly enough. Yes. Come on. Yeah. I'm like, I love Nashville every time I'm there. I'm like, I love this place. So there's a few different places I would live, but obviously, like, I have a co-parent,

Starting point is 00:22:36 so, like, he'd have to be on board. Yeah, I think, I think that's exactly it where I'm like, I feel for sure, like, the most authentic version of myself that I've been. And so I'm like, I feel at peace with, like, being single right now. So I'm like, I'm open to love, but I'm not really like, I don't really care enough right now to go, like, out of my way to search for it. If that makes sense. That is a really beautiful place to be.

Starting point is 00:22:59 And you brought up co-parenting. So I have to talk about Chase because viewers have opinions, obviously. You got married young. What was life like when you first got married? Honestly, I feel like Chase and I had a really good marriage. I mean, it wasn't without like its issues for sure. But I feel like the first few years were great. You know, still had our issues.

Starting point is 00:23:18 But for the most part, I feel like there were more highs than there were lows. And I feel like we've always worked like pretty well as a team for the most part. And so that's why I think when I decided on divorce, I really felt like we would make good co-parents for that reason. And, you know, luckily that's been the case. It wasn't that way, like, right off the bat. It definitely, like, took some time to find our footing. But, yeah, I think it wasn't like, you know, even like the worst parts of our marriage, like, we still had a lot of good, like, happy moments. All in all, it just the cons outweighed the pros eventually. But I think that's part of why we coparent well now. That's nice. I mean, not a lot of people can say

Starting point is 00:23:53 that. So when, if you, if it was like a few years and things were good, when did the cracks kind of start forming in the foundation. I mean, like I said, it wasn't even perfect from, even though in the beginning there was, you know, more pros than cons. And then, you know, in the end, there was more cons than pros. But like, I think there were cracks from the beginning. I think I knew that going into marriage, to be honest with you. But I was 19 when I got engaged and 20 when I got married. And Chase was my first serious boyfriend I ever had. So I'm like, even now, I'm like, I've only ever had like, since Chase, you know, I dated someone after my divorce. But then I've been single for the last year. And I don't really have a whole lot of dating experience to,

Starting point is 00:24:28 be honest with you. I think that I, you know, with, you know, religious pressures, I think we both kind of rushed into it quicker than we would have otherwise, you know, not to say that like I regret it. You know, I have my kids. I would not trade for anything. But I think that, yeah, I looking back, I for sure was not ready for for marriage and neither was he. Yeah. I mean, that young, I don't know who is and you're still figuring out yourself and your sexuality and who you are and what you want. And then the swinging storyline, like, obviously changed everything. Like, I don't want you to feel like I'm saying this for you to say yes. I'm curious, though, if you regret that chapter.

Starting point is 00:25:08 Or if you're like, that's just how life goes and that's how it had to happen. You know what? I remember I actually had a moment after season three aired, where I was, like, laying on my bed. And I was, like, looking at some comments on, like, one of my videos or something. And they were just, like, overwhelmingly kind and nice. and I felt like people were finally really starting to see me for who I am. And it was kind of like, I had like a flashback moment to during the whole swinging scandal. And what a lot of people didn't know is that I was also, you know, like my marriage was suffering clearly because it's like, how do you end up in that situation if your marriage isn't suffering?

Starting point is 00:25:44 But, you know, dealing with that on top of like a faith crisis. And, you know, I had a baby not that long ago prior. And so there was so, so, so much going on. and I remember just being like so low, so depressed and thinking like there's like there's no light at the end of the tunnel. There can't possibly be a purpose for this. And then like, you know, fast forward to season three coming out and just feeling like, oh, there was a light at the end of the tunnel. And I feel like I'm here now. And that doesn't mean it's always obviously going to be perfect.

Starting point is 00:26:18 And you're still going to, especially in this industry, you're still going to deal with online hate to one degree or another. but I think I'd much rather deal with backlash and hate based on like my actual character and who I really am versus this like version somebody, you know, created of me or that the internet has created of me because there's not enough context to know otherwise. And so I think that's where I am now where I'm like, I can handle that like so much easier now because I'm like, if you don't like me, that's fine. But I, it's, you're basing that off of like the version of me that I'm confident in showing. And so it's like, then I'm just not for you and that's fine. Versus before it was like, I had such a heavy front on. I was like somebody that I wasn't really.

Starting point is 00:27:02 See, I think that's like such a lifeless. There is whatever you had to go through, no matter what that looked like, for you to realize that you can just be who you are and like me or hate me, instead of exhausting yourself trying to put on a front with being somebody else, it's the most freeing feeling in the world. And I just want to know, like, what did you learn about yourself in that I think that's part of coming on the show and, like, being vulnerable and, like, transparent and finally being like, you know what? I am going to talk about this. And, like, I'm sick of hiding.

Starting point is 00:27:33 I'm sick of, like, not being my authentic self. And I think after, like, deconstructing a lot of, like, religious beliefs and, you know, after, like, leaving my marriage, I was a version of myself at that point that was, like, a lot more unapologetically myself and was, you know, took the approach of, like, taken or leave it. And I think me coming to the show and like coming back to mom talk was like a way for me to take my power back. You know, I think for that reason, like I don't regret it at all. I think I'm, I'm so grateful that I ended up doing it because as crazy as it sounds, because I'm like a few years ago, absolutely not. I would have been like, yes, I do regret that chapter of my life. And now I'm like,

Starting point is 00:28:12 oh, like, no, I am like who I am today because of it, you know. Absolutely. All that shit always does that. It always somehow has a way of teaching you a lesson and learning more about yourself. and I'm just, I'll, I will say that kind of stuff till I'm blue in the face because I've lived through it and I've gone through it. Yeah, yeah, you would know for sure. Yeah, it's, it's a, it's not always a bad thing. Let's talk about when someone in your circle dates your ex, because that's so layered to me. Sorry my life. Well, I'm like, it's crazy how often it happens in your guys's world, but it depends to me on like, if they're honest with you and they call you and say, you know, how

Starting point is 00:28:50 would this make you feel or how close that friendship actually. is from what we think it is. But how did that actually feel seeing Taylor and Chase have maybe, well, maybe not in her opinion, but a flirty meetup at the end of season three? Yeah, I think for me, like the disconnect there was just, I think, like, lack of like full transparency because I'm like, I didn't really get the vibe that they like actually were like dating or wanted to date or like, like, you know, had those types of feelings for each other to where it would move in that direction. But I think like just given the history, you know, I just like would have appreciated like the respect of like the information and and getting ahead of it just so I didn't have to be,

Starting point is 00:29:31 you know, wondering and and just be caught off guard, I guess, in that way, especially since we had worked so hard to like build our friendship back, you know. Yeah. I think that's like the key thing. Well, I'm a broken record when I talk about communication, but it's just like giving the heads up or giving some sort of, you know, call or text to say, hey, how would this make you feel or like, this is what's going to come, especially when it's going to air on TV and it's like, you're going to see it anyway. Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, it must have been like a tiny feeling of betrayal or, I mean, I'm asking you, I guess, were you already emotionally detached? To me, like, it had nothing to do with the, like, many feelings for Chase. Like, I was like so far beyond that at this point.

Starting point is 00:30:18 For me, it's based on principle. And I think that it's just like a simple level of respect. And that's all it really comes down to. And I think, you know, like if it was like a roles reverse situation, I'm like, I know good and well that that communication would be expected. I mean, it would never be rolls reversed. But if it were, you know, I know that Taylor would want that communication as well. And I think just given the history, it to me, like, I'm like, oh,

Starting point is 00:30:48 it's a no-brainer to just clue me in, let me know, whatever. And so even though it wasn't about, you know, even in the season when I get emotional talking about it, it wasn't me getting emotional over the idea of them having a relationship. It was me getting emotional over like how much headspace I allowed for them to take up in my head during that time and like the piece that it took from me. And I think it just like took me back to that time where I'm like, I'm not. doing that again. Like, y'all can do like what you want, but I'm, I like, am not giving you access to, to that headspace anymore. Yeah. And that's really what it was about. Yeah, that's how

Starting point is 00:31:28 it came across when I was watching. And I want to know how Chase would feel if you were ever to become a bachelorette, because now we know we can have a crossover world of Mormon wives and bachelorette. So, and I think fans are obsessed with the idea of you being the bachelorette. So would, what would he feel and would you ever consider it? I don't know what he would feel. I feel like he would like Chase is Chase, but like at the end of the day, he's very supportive. He really is and he like any, I mean, there's really only been like two guys that I've kind of like entertained, I guess you could say, since my last relationship. And he like is very, he's like, how's that going? Like, you know, do you like it? Like he's not. I think a lot of people expect because of like his online presence

Starting point is 00:32:13 especially for him to be like, like, what does this guy think he's doing? Well, what a loser. Like, go out of here. right? But I think, you know, he, we make jokes, we tease, but I think all in all, like, he does want me to find, you know, a love that I am deserving of and he's supportive. So I think he would be totally supportive of that. I think he would be happy to help out, like, in ways that he needed to, like with the kids in order to make it happen. And, and I think, I think it would be, I don't know, I would be open to it for sure. I think it would be very, like, like I said, I don't have a ton of dating experience. So it would for sure be an intimidating experience for me. But I would be open to it for sure. I think that would be adorable. Watching somebody who doesn't have like a ton of dating

Starting point is 00:32:57 experience, I feel like would be so endearing. And then having a supportive ex who you co-parent with would be like maybe almost too healthy for the show. I don't know. Knowing Chase, he has just enough toxicity where he'd probably show up and cause chaos just for the shits of it. There you go. Well, do you ever think he's like still in love with you and like there's like a slight chance you guys could ever make it work or am I just being delusional here? I don't know. I mean, his therapist thinks so. But I'm like, I actually don't know that I actually get the sense that I get the sense that he's really like I think it's more so, I don't know, maybe it's like family dynamic stuff or just like I think it's the the dependence. I think like

Starting point is 00:33:40 there's like because we're still in each other's lives. I think we still, I mean, we were married for a long time. so I think there's still that level of like vulnerability. So I'm like sometimes I think it could be based on that. But we work so much better, so much better as co-parents. So there would never be any going back at all. But, you know, I hope he does find someone that's great. So many people would not want their person or their ex to like find happiness. But I love that you to both actually genuinely want that for each other.

Starting point is 00:34:12 And I feel like you learn so much from relationships. So if you were to either date or be a bachelor's, whatever it is, what are you not willing to compromise on anymore? Oh, for like what I'm looking for in a partner? I guess maybe what's your biggest red flag right now? I'm like, how much time you got? I feel like these days what I'm looking for. Maybe that's part of why I don't really date much is like, I'm like, does the man that I think I'm looking for exist? I think a lot of men don't think about whether or not, whether they would want to be a step parent or not.

Starting point is 00:34:44 They just kind of like start out being like, well, why not? Like she's hot. Let's like hang out. You know, and I'm like, that's great. And, you know, not that I like want anything like serious off the bat. But if you are going to entertain like a single mom, I do think that it's in everybody's best interest for you to consider like the long term of if you were to start catching feelings, is it something that you would entertain?

Starting point is 00:35:09 Is it something that you would be open to, you know, a role you would be open to stepping into I think, you know, most of the red flags would be surrounding the idea of like letting somebody into my kids' lives and, you know, how they handle that dynamic. But I also feel like, I mean, you see so much internalized misogyny, I feel like on our show and in our season that that's another thing that I'm like, I don't do that. Yeah. No, I'm like, you be secure in yourself and your masculinity and like let me be an independent woman in this relationship or scurry along. I love that because the way that Jordan wants dad talk to be so famous makes me so angry. I'm like, stop making dad talk happen. I mean, oh, it's stop trying to make fetch happen.

Starting point is 00:35:55 It's not going to happen. Dad talk is not. It gives me the ick. I was just telling Jesse that. I was like, I can't do it. And I was telling her, I know that like the men grow up in this environment where it's like, you have to be the provider and you have to be this and the woman stays at home. And I'm like, can we not move on from that?

Starting point is 00:36:10 and can you let the women have their mom talk and like they're being so successful and like let them have it you don't need to shit on their parade no i'm like it's 2026 first of all second of all i just had another interview say that they heard that dad talk was doing so well that they were like out-earning us and i said who did you hear that from because absolutely not it's it's jordan leaking it to it probably is i'm also like where how is it the dad talk has merch and mom talk doesn't that just shows you Who's taking it more seriously and who shouldn't be? Honestly, it just made me so annoyed. I was like, no, that's not going to happen and we can't let it happen.

Starting point is 00:36:48 They can come up with their own thing, but like the dad talk is not, it's not, mom talk is for the girls and girls are the chronically online ones and guys don't want to see dads doing dad talk. No, that's what I'm saying. I'm like, it's for the girls and the gays. Go do build something. If you want to like really attach yourself to gender roles so much, like go ahead. Make yourself useful.

Starting point is 00:37:08 I freaking love that. Make yourself useful. Men need to go to war. What are you doing? Okay, we all know this feeling when your to-do list is so long. You don't even know where to start. Oh, I feel like that right now, actually. Work appointments, catching up with friends, remembering to drink enough water.

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Starting point is 00:38:17 Springa, a time of hope. It really does make me feel more hopeful. I don't know. I don't know if it's the longer days, the warmer air, just the feeling of coming out of winter, but I always notice a shift in myself. Even the way I want to dress, that starts to change.

Starting point is 00:38:29 I suddenly, and less interested in dark, heavy layers and more drawn to pieces that feel lighter and softer and a little more expressive. I actually do have a wedding coming up. And it's one of those events where you want your outfit to reflect the moment, not in a stressful way, but in a way that feels kind of intentional. It's spring. People are celebrating love.

Starting point is 00:38:47 Everything feels fresh. There's something in the air. And you just want to show up feeling like the best version of yourself. Now, I always find myself browsing Macy's. And I keep coming back to these softer pastel pieces. I don't know why I'm so drawn to them, but the pale blues, the soft pinks, the light lavender's, buttery yellows that just instantly make you feel like you've stepped into a new season. I don't know. just something about those colors that just feel calming and confident at the same time.

Starting point is 00:39:12 So what I love most is that it doesn't have to be over the top. It's not about wearing pastels head to dough, although I probably would. It's about bringing those softer tones in a way that still feels like you. So maybe it's a flowy dress or a blouse that you pair with your favorite denim or even just subtle details like lace or sheer layers that add texture and dimension. I've realized that over the years, pieces that make the biggest impact aren't always the loudest ones. Actually, that's a fact. It's the ones that make you feel comfortable, confident, like yourself. You put it on and you're not adjusting all day, being uncomfortable, you're not

Starting point is 00:39:45 overthinking it, you just feel good. That is always the goal for me in clothes. And spring is really a perfect time to lean into that. Your clothes feel lighter and maybe even your mindset feels a little bit lighter. You're going out more, seeing people more, saying yes to things again, seeing the sunshine. And it's nice to have pieces in your wardrobe that just reflect that energy. I also love that these softer spring tones don't just work for big events. You know, they work in everyday life as well. You can pair of pastel top with jeans, a cute pair of sweats. Suddenly your outfit feels more thoughtful or layer delicate necklaces over something simple and just elevate everything without even trying to hard. Just reminds me, you know, style is it about constantly chasing something new. It's about

Starting point is 00:40:23 evolving and finding pieces that reflect kind of where you're at in that moment. So honestly, Macy's is one of my favorite places to find those pieces. They carry so many options. I can't get over the options, whether you're looking for something special, like a wedding or just something that brings new life into your everyday wardrobe. I've even found myself thinking about bringing those softer tones into my home as well. Spring just makes you want to refresh everything. Lighter, bedding, softer textures, just small little changes that make your space feel calmer and more aligned with the season, I guess. Funny how those small changes, whether it's what you wear or how you style your space, that shift truly how you feel. So I think that's what Spring is really about

Starting point is 00:41:00 not completely reinventing yourself, about reconnecting with yourself, letting go the heaviness of winter, stepping into something lighter. And sometimes that just starts with something as simple as putting on a piece that makes you feel beautiful, confident, and ready for what's next. Shop in store or online at macy's.com. A lot of people wanted to talk about your glowup. And it sat with me the wrong way when people said glow up because I'm like, I don't want glow up to only be about people's looks. I think glowups are so much more than that. And I do think there's been this noticeable shift in your energy, like the last couple of seasons.

Starting point is 00:41:39 And I really believe that when you work on the inside, the outside falls into place. I really think it sounds cheesy, but I believe it's true. I just think like something shifted. So what do you think specifically did shift in this chapter of your life? Like mindset, boundaries, confidence. What actually moved the needle? First things first, get divorced. I'm like, first of all, let's like get rid of that dead weight.

Starting point is 00:42:03 Step one. So true. No, I think it is kind of crazy because I do feel like, you know, the body really does keep score. And, you know, I think your body knows things before your conscious mind does. And sometimes you just have to play a little bit of catch up. And I think that's exactly what happened in my case. And I through the divorce process and then months and years following, I think that like I just started, I didn't even realize like how much inflammation I had. And I also had an autoimmune disease. And so I think it. in like that I think is like heavily affected by your emotions right and like the higher my cortisol is the more inflammation I have and so I think like really regulating that and regulating my emotions and like prioritizing my emotional mental and physical health it was like the you know so many people initially were like what are you like what's your weight loss program and I was like I honestly just like started losing weight when I started to make decisions that were for me and I think that

Starting point is 00:43:02 you know, I dropped the people pleasing and the expectations societally and religiously. And I think that was really like the biggest thing. And making those tough decisions, like those decisions that you're in limbo about like for such a long time, but like, you know what your decision is. You know it internally. And I think once you actually, you make that decision and you move forward with it, you'll be shocked by how your physical body and physical appearance reflect that. It's so true. I was just talking to my girlfriend, Cheryl Burke, about this from Dancing with the Stars, and she has been facing so much criticism for the way she looks and being accused of being

Starting point is 00:43:45 on OZem, Bick, and she was like, I actually just got sober and dropped the weight of like a very toxic relationship and started prioritizing myself and my happiness. She's like, I physically dropped weight. I look different. I feel different. I carry myself different. I think she got out of L.A. She, like, moved a few hours away just to get out of that environment.

Starting point is 00:44:06 She switched jobs. And it just really does go to show that, like, dropping excess baggage changes you physically. And that's why I believe, and that's what I said, you know, working on the inside really does show on the outside. And it doesn't necessarily mean like, oh, you got so much hotter. you just, you do almost, but not even by like, you know, trying to be harder. You just come into a different place where you are. Yeah. And I think Utah has such a reputation for being, you know, very polished.

Starting point is 00:44:34 Jesse's talked to me so much about the pressure she's felt. And does that ever feel heavy to you? Sometimes, yes. But I feel like for me, that pressure was kind of ditched, like with the whole letting go of the facade and the front that I had put on for so long. And like, I think being comfortable within my own skin was also kind of went hand in hand with being comfortable with who I am internally and unapologetic about it. Not to say that like I don't also have like insecurities or like getting my head about stuff. Obviously, yes, that happens all the time.

Starting point is 00:45:08 But I feel like I'm probably more comfortable in my skin than I ever have been. And I think that's like a big reason why. Like just like you said, the more you evolve on the inside, the more you just naturally evolve on the outside as well. Yeah, I think that there, it just over time, as I, like, made those decisions, it just, like, reflected in my outward appearance as well. And also, like, the further I've gotten out from having kids, right? Like, because I was pregnant and then postpartum and then pregnant and then postpartum. And that's, like, you know, a roller coaster in it of itself. And so just, like, finally having more of, like, a stabilized life and emotions and, like, mental state. It definitely, like, goes a long way for sure, physically. And I, it's exactly what you said where we get so much scrutiny for anything. I mean, like when you start looking good, it's like, yeah, like, oh, it's like, oh, she did this. Or, you know, she did this.

Starting point is 00:46:02 Or people were like, Miranda shaved her chin down. I'm like, huh? That's a new one. Wait, like, even if I did, no, it's, I'm like, huh? That's, okay. But I'm just like, no, it's, it's also crazy. The difference just like weight loss alone can make. But I'm like, I think we're all pretty open with like anything we've had done.

Starting point is 00:46:19 And again, like I think just having living a healthy lifestyle inside and out can really go a long way for sure. Yeah. And I think a lot of, you know, women listening and, you know, wanting their own glow up from inside out, from outside in, whatever it is that they choose to do, how do you protect your confidence in such a curated world? It's been a process for sure. I think I'm lucky to have like a fairly good base from, you know, the way I was raised, just having parents who I feel like did a really good job of, you know, doing their best to instill confidence in me and be really supportive of me through life. But I mean, I've definitely had a lot of like ebbs and flows with my internal and external confidence. But I feel like being able to like compartmentalize the things that happen to you and like

Starting point is 00:47:06 the things you go through in a way that isn't always such a personal attack. For example, like, I think with my relationship with Chase, you know, I've, I've had people ask me, like, how did you, like, get through, like, all of the things that you went through and, like, things that, like, he did that were hurtful. And I think to me, I know, like, I am not a perfect person by any means, but I also knew that there were a handful of situations that had happened that, like, were very clear to me that I'm like, that was, like, a him problem. That's not, that doesn't, that was not a reflection of, like, me not being enough.

Starting point is 00:47:40 and me not deserving love or being worthy of love, I know that I am those things. And it's being able to understand that everyone has their thing and like, you know, we're all not perfect. But when someone does something not automatically resorting to it being, you being what's less than and you being the problem, I think that women a lot of the time do that. And it obviously like can really affect yourself worth. And I think that's something that over time I've gotten a lot of better at to where I immediately go, okay, let me like assess here. Because sometimes like I am in the wrong in some situations, right? But let me assess here. Okay, they could be going through XYZ and not taking it as a personal attack on my character right from the get go. I think that's

Starting point is 00:48:26 an important thing is like even just the word curated. You have to know that things are being curated around you to look good. It doesn't mean that people on in that other side of the internet or the room aren't having the same insecurities as you and it doesn't again take away from who you are as a person it's a curated version of people and we're we're all in it together we're all just human beings trying to figure out our way and how to show up in the world so right that makes a lot of sense and and if you are open to it the girlies want to know so I had some listeners from from my off the mine listeners they want to know they love your boob job okay they want details I was like I've talked about mine so many times and online that I felt like I

Starting point is 00:49:08 I was like, God, are people sick of hearing it? And then I showed my best friend. He's this, he was my roommate in Vancouver. He's like so fabulous. And I was like, don't you think my boobs are blood? And I show him. And he freaked out. And he was like, I didn't know you got boobs.

Starting point is 00:49:20 And he was like, you're a woman now. And I was just laughing. I'm like, I feel like I talk about it all the time. But I just think I was for people that want to know stuff about my boobs, I was like, well, for me, it's important for them to go to their own doctor. Like, what looks good on me might not look good on you. The way my chest sits, the way that my like, body is built could need a different profile on yours. So I'm like, I know the girls want to know details, but I want them to also know that what

Starting point is 00:49:46 looks good on you and what looks good on me might not look good on them and that they don't need to do that if they don't want to. Right. No, I think that totally, like everyone's anatomy is so different. And I, so I usually tell people, I'm like, maybe rather than like taking like what I had done to your doctor, maybe show them a picture because I'm like, your doctor, your surgeon might be able to be like, okay, like, based on like, you're, if you want them to look similar to this, you're going to have because of your, you know, you're more petite than she is.

Starting point is 00:50:13 You might need smaller implants, whatever. But I got mine done at the plastics clinic by Dr. Chidester. People always are so shocked by this. And honestly, I am too. But from what I remember, mine are 385 CC. But everyone's like, there's no way they're 385 CC. And I'm like, because then I see other people that have 385 and they look way bigger than what mine do. So, again, it's like all, I guess, based on your, your.

Starting point is 00:50:36 anatomy, but 385 CC, I'm pretty sure it's under the muscle, high profile. I want to say it's like a gummy bear implant, but he has Dr. Chitty, Dr. Chittister, he has all of the info on his Instagram of all, like, everything he did in my surgery. I even think he like recapped some of like the surgery itself. So yeah, if you're interested, he'll have like all of the details on his profile. I love it because I was like, I'm glad that we talked about the internal beauty in the glow, but now let's go to the surface level. I'm like, oh, I'm all about it. I'm like such an open book. the girls want to know what brand hair extensions you use? Mine are weaved.

Starting point is 00:51:11 So my friend Savannah, she does them, but it's weaved hair extensions. And she actually does like a lot of like custom lengths and stuff. Because I had in season two, I think it is, in season two, I had, I think they were like 26 inches. And like watching it back, I was like hair. All I see is hair. So I was like, I didn't, I don't think I would ever do that again. But yeah, she, hers are great. I've, like, I've loved them.

Starting point is 00:51:38 But yeah, weaved hair extensions. Okay. And then they want to know how you maintain platinum hair and keep it moisturized and not fried. This one's hard because, again, like, everyone's genetics are different and everyone. Like, I do have really fine hair, but I am naturally blonde. Like, you can, these are like my natural roots right here. Okay. So I don't have to get my, I don't have to bleach my hair very often.

Starting point is 00:51:59 I also, like, it processes really fast. So I don't have to leave it on as long. So I think that's a big reason why. And so my hair just pulls a brighter blonde naturally. So that's what's hard is it's like I like can give all the tips and tricks, but it's like that's only going to like work for some people. But I do use purple shampoo. I've been using K-18s lately. And it's a great one.

Starting point is 00:52:20 And then last beauty question is what beauty choice changed your confidence the most? That's a hard one. Was it chopping it all off? Because sometimes for women like that really is just like cutting off like some trauma. Yes. No, it actually was kind of therapeutic chopping. And it really was so much lighter. Because I also got like almost all my extensions taken out. And so at first, before I chopped it, I was like, am I bald? And then they chopped it. And I'm like, okay, no, like this actually feels so freeing. It's so great. You know, it's no secret. I'm a self tan whore. I wouldn't say that was like a change. I'm like, I've been, I've been that girl for some time now. So spray like a spray. Yeah. Yeah. Any, any, literally. I'm like, I don't discriminate. I'm like all self-tanned, spray tan. A lot of like my makeup routine, I feel like, oh, get you a good, because I don't have filler and I don't, like, I've never had lip filler, but I, and so people are like, really,

Starting point is 00:53:14 no way. I'm like, yeah, it's just because I overlaid my lips to the nines. I'm like, that's really all it is. Well, I have lip filler, but I also. Yeah, I'm like, hey, it's, yeah, I'm like, I've almost done it so many times, but I'm like, I don't know if I'm, I'm like a scarity cat. But a good lip liner and gloss can like go such a long way. Such a long way.

Starting point is 00:53:34 I would say some of my favorites are liner, makeup forever. They're lip liners and then like a lawless lip gloss. Okay, good. You heard it here first. Last but not least, the confession booth where you have to finish my sentence. Are you ready? I'm so ready. Let's do it.

Starting point is 00:53:54 Okay. Okay. The thing Mormon girls are thinking but won't say is. No. A lot of the time. I feel like simply just no, like setting a boundary and being like, no, I don't want to do that. No, I don't like, I don't feel that way. And just like setting that boundary and being authentic because I feel again, like that people pleaser, I was very much that way.

Starting point is 00:54:17 And yeah, I think once I decided like it's okay, saying no doesn't make you bad person. It's okay to say no and you should. That's a good one. Okay. The first time I realized I might not be the perfect wife was. I'm like, no, I was always. the perfect wife. No, I, oh, when I realized like, I'm like, meh about cooking.

Starting point is 00:54:44 Maybe that's what it was. I still, like, cooked a lot more than I do now because I don't have a husband. So I'm like, I cook for my kids and then I just spend for myself half the time after they go to bed. But maybe that because I feel like it's very like. That doesn't make you. No, right? But like in Mormon world, I feel like it's like, oh, I wish I liked cooking more.

Starting point is 00:55:01 So my husband was probably happier. Oh, Lord, I'm going to throw up. Okay, next one is, if I wasn't raised Mormon, I would probably be on the streets. I'm just kidding. I'm like, I probably would have gotten in a lot more trouble. I will say that. I'm like, I think it was like, probably would have been detrimental. Like, it was, there were parts that were detrimental growing up that way.

Starting point is 00:55:22 And then would have also maybe been detrimental had I not. But no, I think I feel I'm like very spiritual. I feel like I probably maybe would have had my spiritual awakening potential. potentially a little bit earlier. I love that. I'm very spiritual as well. Okay. The last one is the rule I secretly questioned growing up was. Oh, first of all, the word of wisdom, the coffee thing just was like because in my mind, I'm like, so energy drink, soda, like that's all okay, right? And then, but like tea, coffee, you know, so I'm like, it's made in a lab. Then it's like, but if it's from the earth. So I'm like, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:56:01 I don't know about that one. That and then also like some of the modesty stuff was just like my shoulders. My shoulders? Come on. I can't tell my shoulders like. Oh, you can. Right. Oh my gosh.

Starting point is 00:56:14 Yeah. What's that about? Yeah. I don't know. You don't want to get those men going with those shoulders. True. My shoulders are very sexy. So I kind of get it.

Starting point is 00:56:23 I'll get you every time. I'm dead. Well, tell everybody. Tell everybody where they can find you and follow along on your journey. Yeah, you can find me on Miranda Hope at Miranda double underscore hope on TikTok and Instagram. And yeah, tune in March 12th for season four of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives to watch my journey unfold. Yes. If you were to give like one or two teasers about this season, words, what would you say?

Starting point is 00:56:54 Personally, I think it's our best season yet. Man, I feel like every season it's like the same stuff, but every season is actually like chaotic all the time. I was going to say like, we're all wind, but I'm like, that's literally every season always. So. Yeah, it's chaos, but you guys are all stepping into your own. Yeah, you'll see, you'll see a more confident version of me. And I'm excited about that. I love that for you.

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