Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Olivia Attwood | Love Island UK Icon on Bad Boyfriends & Finding Love Again!

Episode Date: September 24, 2026

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It's not just a makeup bag, but a really cute accessory. Free with your first order at M-E-R-I-T-Buty.com. You're listening to Off the Vine with Caitlin Bristow. Hey, everybody. Welcome to Off the Vine. I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow. And today's guest is Olivia Atwood. And if you know her, you know that she is not exactly known for keeping her opinions

to herself, which I love. British humor is also my favorite and I fell in love with her. Maybe a little girl crush. That's okay. She first bursts onto our screens on Love, Island UK gave us, I'm sat, which I'm like, I quote you, and I didn't even know it, somehow coined the term Dick Sand, which I learned about today, and has built a career out of saying things that everybody's thinking. She's crushing it right now. Today, she is one of the UK's

biggest TV personalities, hosting her own documentaries, getting filthy rich, the price of perfection, and putting terrible men through their paces on bad boyfriends and having all kinds of conversations on her podcast, Olivia's house. She's also entered her entrepreneur era with her cocktail company, Savano, and all while navigating a completely new chapter in her personal life. Of course, we talk about every single one of these things. We have a lot to get into. So please welcome Olivia Atwood. I was just in Canada. And I have like this obsession with skinny dipping. And we're on a lake. And it was my last day. And I was like, I just got to drive out to my favorite lake and jump in and whatever. Anyways, my feet are all cut up. Look at. Oh my gosh. They're

bleeding. Are you? You know what? I won't put my feet up on the white couch. Vancouver. I'm half Canadian. You are? I grew up.

I lived part of my life in Edmonton and my family's from Toronto. How insane is. Wait, I actually grew up in Edmonton. I just say Vancouver because I lived there for 10 years. But I grew up in Leduc, Alberta, which is just outside of Edmonton. That's like small town vibe. Oh my God. What?

That's crazy. Yeah. My dad's Canadian. Okay, your dad. And then we lived there for like a fire. year period and we came back to London. Oh my gosh. What year were you there?

I was like a, like five years old or like 10 years old. And then family's still there. Wow. So we go, my brother went to university in Calgary. So I've been going like lake life is like grew up to. Oh, it's just my. There's nothing like it. Like, and I'll take that over the beach, the ocean.

I just love, I love mountains, but like, like warm weather mountains with lake. It's, yeah. Oh my gosh. And just like being with my family, it was a wonderful trip. But then I came, I was like, why are my feet so sore? And it was because I was crawling out of the rocky lake, just cutting my feet up all. Like, if somebody saw me, just butt naked, I just grew climbing on the side to get out. The fact that you do it naked as well.

Oh, it's just the most liberating feeling. It's the best. I highly recommend for anybody out there on a lake right now. Get your clothes off. But then, so anyways, I got back. And it's New York Fashion Week. Are you here for that? I'm here for like different things, but I'm going to do a few shows.

But I was just saying to you, the amount of years I've been here in New York, I mean, year after year, I've never seen it this crazy. Yeah. That's what I'm like, I was, so I was in my Uber and I already get so pissed off when I'm in Uber's because I'm like, and I ended up just getting out running. So I'm like, with my sandals and my bloody feet running, I also just got my hair colored yesterday. And I realized I still have hair dye like around my hair line. I'm like, I'm really just bringing you my A game today. Okay. There's just so much.

There's the tennis. Everyone's back to school. There's fashion. I think we spent yesterday, me and Grace, it works for me. We spent maybe an hour to go a mile. Oh my gosh. And I was like, we should have actually walked. Yeah.

Humidity was on. And I had heels on. I was like, I can't. Oh, yeah. No, you can't. Well, I just, your whole vibe and fashion and everything is very on point. Thank you. Oh, what watch is that?

A Cartier panthe. Okay. That's exactly the watch that I have been. Okay. I want to, I either want to vint. Rolex or one like that. And I think these are just timeless. Yeah, they are times and light.

I've never owned a watch. I feel like that's my next. Have you not? Because that's what you want like your piece. Yeah. That's a special thing when you, I bought this for myself at the beginning of the year after going through a time.

And I'm like, I'm going to buy myself. It's quite liberating as a woman to be like, I'm going to get myself a watch. It really is because I feel like our whole life we were taught like, you got to find a rich man and he's going to buy you this and this. And I've had that once. I said, I was like, I don't like it here. No, don't get me wrong.

I love a gift. I get a way bigger dopamine kick out of buying things myself. Me too. Me too. I get a real kick out of it. Yes. Well, you've had quite the career, so you also deserve it. Thank you.

I was obviously doing my research and I want to, of course, start with Love Island because you didn't just go on the show. You somehow came out of it having, like, you contributed like new phrases to the English language. Like, did you start the saying I'm sat? Yeah. That's cool. That was me. And it's so weird because I feel like it became a viral moment when I first came off the show.

But I feel like in the last two years it's had like another resurgence. Yeah. But it was just this interaction between me and Chris, I was coupled up in the show where he's asking me not to leave the conversation. And I'm already sitting down and he goes, sit back down and I'm sat. It's just that is the moment. And in the moment, I just thought, oh, it's another, you know, stupid moment. But it's like it didn't, you never. Yeah, you never know the moments that are going to go viral.

It's funny because I quote that, I didn't even know that's where it came from. Yeah, me. Isn't that funny? And what's Dick Sand? Dick Sand. Do you know what? I actually, Dick Sand I used in the villa, but I can't credit for coming up. I can't remember where I picked up that phrase, but I think I bought it into like English pop culture by saying in Love Island.

I think it's a good way of describing, you know, when you first meet a guy and you're like a bit dignitized. Yeah. And you're just, you're drowning in the, like, the dick of it all. Like, you know, like he's like, yeah. Like, you know, you're just disappearing. into the abyss because you're like in love or in lust or whatever. That's really good. It's good, isn't it?

That's really good. I'm also going to recycle that. And then Boy Whisperer. Were you always quotable or does just putting you in a villa bring out a little special side of you? Because I, sometimes when I'm on, I'm on. I think it's hard, isn't it? Unless you're like completely in love with yourself to sit and go, do you know what?

Yeah, I'm funny. Just quoting to yourself. Yeah. Growing up, I think I knew I could make people laugh. Yeah. And I knew that I had, you know, I was quick-witted. And then, you know, when reality TV was really like kind of, it's, oh, God, the memories I have of like this simple life and like, oh my gosh.

You know, old school, housewise. People would always say to my friends, you should be on reality TV. I used to say that was something I was told a lot. Yeah. Because I think that I had that clippable, you know, sort of, yeah. I agree. But what I love is that you haven't lost it either because a lot of times if you're going to like transition into making it a business people try and tone you down but you haven't

which we'll get to but uh what is the one moment from your season that people still come up to you about that you can't believe has followed you like a decade god i mean i guess that the ick yeah because that was yeah i was like me saying that i remember i had to explain to a producer what it meant so she could understand what i was talking about but i guess the ick and then the i'm sat um and probably like a few of my meltdowns because we were in that really unfiltered era of reality I know. That was like the good times. The good times. Yeah.

We were just doing things off the cuff and I think I was very like reactive and, you know, passionate. And I think that those some of those moments, you know, that live on, you know. Do you watch Love Island US? Do you know what? I've seen bits. I was saying to someone the other day, I know that it's really taken off for you guys now. So I definitely want to like watch a series and get into it. Yes.

Would I like it, do you think? I haven't watched it. Right. So you stay loyal to the UK one. But everyone says the UK is like. 10 times better always. And if anyone recommends it, like when I first was like, oh, should I get into it?

They're like, only watch UK. Oh, okay. What season were you? Series three. Yeah, I heard that's the best one. Yeah, that was like, we, basically series one and two were successful, like, ratings-wise. And then series three, it just blew up.

And then I think that is like a bit of, there's a vintage year for people. It was a good cast. And I think that they got us all before it hit that absolute like phenomenon that it became. So we were all unfiltered. We didn't know how big it was going to be. But UK humor and like authenticity is so real.

I just feel like anytime I meet somebody from there, they have the best sense of humor. They say it like it is. Like there really isn't much of a filter. I think that we have this like dark, dry sense of. Yeah, I love it. The East Coast I think has it also more. But when I'm in LA, they don't get that.

I feel like Canadians kind of get it too. That's true. They have the sarcasm. thing that we do in London. We're very sarcastic. I think it makes it entertaining. Yeah, I completely agree. And we just said this.

Like you're outspoken, you're opinionated, you talk about taboo topics. It's a huge part of why people love watching you too. But I always do wonder with people like that, once you came off and you're building the successful career, did you ever get told, like, to be more brand safe or be a toned down version of yourself? Like, did you ever have to fight that? Or do people always accept kind of like who you were? No, 100% I got told that.

And I think that when I think about the conversations and the mentoring I've had, I think that people that advise me to, you know, like I say, quote unquote, tone it down, they were saying it from a point of, you know, in a PR sense, you know, if I'm saying, oh, I want to break into a really much more commercial market, I want to do daytime television. They would say, well, typically, you know, maybe the way you present online, the things you talk about, you just need to clean it up a little bit. And I was always really stubborn that I was like, okay, I get, you know, you need to be brandable and, you know, you don't want to be offensive.

Sure. But I was really determined to stay, like, very true to who I am. Because also, I would find it very hard to not be anything other than what I am. Right. Because I just, I'm, I'm, I speak off the cuff. I'm very, like, I know of a very strong sense of self. So I was like, if I try and embark on this journey where I try and re-channel my vibe, I think my audience are going to sniff me out. and they're going to be like, where's she gone?

The reason we're here is because we love her how she is. And actually, what I've managed to do in the last couple of years is break into mainstream and keep it real at the same time, which is so refreshing. It is refreshing. That's the exact word I was going to use because I feel like I'm, and a lot of people are so over the polished versions of people on TV because it's not relatable. And that's why, again, like we said, that is why people love you is because it's relatable. you're saying things that the audience is already thinking that we all want to hear anyways.

And it is so refreshing. And I think a lot of industries are kind of doing it. Like I always mention he's my friend, but his name's Paul Bissonette. He goes by Biznasty, which is hilarious. But he was always known in the hockey world as like this dirty dog, really like the offside sense of humor. Just like hilarious but not polished at all. And they brought him on to the panel. and it changed the way that fans watched hockey because they tuned in for the entertainment of it.

And it wasn't this boring like golf too. Like I'm like, spice it up. The times are a change in, you know? And I feel like that's what you're doing, which is really cool. And obviously it's working for you because you've done something that's hard, I think, to do in this industry, which is going from, you know, reality television to being the person trusted to lead conversations. And I just wanted to know when did you first realize that presented. was something that you actually wanted to do.

I think out of the gate from Love Island, I had TV opportunities. Like I was being off of reality shows, like, literally I couldn't turn them down. Yeah. Like, they were quick enough. There was so many coming in. So I did some, I did reality and I did my own reality series. Yeah. And I knew I enjoyed working, like, with production, being on camera.

And then I think, I'm trying to remember the first little gigs that came through, but maybe on our, like, morning chat show we have in the UK, they brought me in to be, like, a Love Island correspondent. And there was little moments where I was like tested and people were like, you're really good at this. Like by the way, like sometimes this takes people like, you know, 25 takes to read from a cue card or whatever. So I think then I got confidence and then I started to feel like, which is something for

me, my whole life, I'd always been like, what am I good at? I was like everyone's good at something. I don't know what. It was really scary in my 20s. I felt really like a lot of people around me had found what they wanted to do, their passion. I feel like I hadn't found it. So then when I was having these opportunities to toast a little bit and it felt like really natural to me, I just became, I'm quite unobsessed a person, but I came really obsessed with like, this is what I want and I'm going to go after it. And I'm just going to take all the opportunities and I'm going to keep proving myself, keep showing up.

I love that. Keep working really hard. And then, yeah, and just like gaining the trust of commissioners and, you know, the channels in the UK. And it's just kind of a snowball, but like really organically. And I feel like the channels I've worked with. the producer I've worked with, they, they sometimes said no to me to things. And it's why I always say to people, it's like, if you look at my life, how it's been for the last 10 years, it looks like, and I've had a lot of yeses, but I've had a lot of noes, but a lot of knows. And I always took the

no, and I'd ask why. And when people would tell you why, if they, if they give you the time to give you a reason, like, really listen to it. And I would take the feedback on board, and they'd be like, well, you need to grow on this, you need to improve on that. And then I just, I put the work in. And a lot of times the no are the nos are such good redirections because they end up getting you into something that's more aligned with yourself rather than like what that could have been. Or it always teaches you a lesson. It's always hard to, you know, of course, accept the know in the moment. But it sounds like you do a good job of accepting and asking questions. But that's a good point is asking why.

Asking why. And actually listening to the answer because it's really easy to get defensive when people say no to you or to feel really hurt. And it is painful to be rejected. But if I think back now to some of the shows that I went. up for and I didn't get, I wasn't ready for them. And if I'd done them, I probably would have fucked it up. Right. It probably would have tanked, which wouldn't have been good for me and my, you know, my CV. Yeah. And then when I actually got the opportunities, I was ready. And I actually, like, some, you know, the people I've worked with, they're like, see, you were ready for this. Yes. You

weren't ready three years ago. And it's actually really empowering when you look back at the timeline things and you're okay, like everything played out the way it was meant to. I always, this should be, like on a T-shirt for my podcast. I say this all the time. but the benefit of hindsight. Like it's just always so cool to look back and go, oh, I see now why this didn't happen for me. It's the same thing. And again, my audience has heard the story a million times,

but I was supposed to go on Dancing with the Stars right after doing The Bachelorette. And I was told by the head of the person who started the Bachelorette. He said, no. He was like, no, you can't. I don't want you wanting fame after the show. I want you to focus on your relationship. And I was gutted because dancing was my whole.

whole life and my like goal in life. And I ended up not being good enough. And then I was like, oh, I have a second chance. And then I was told no. And I just couldn't understand like, why God, why? And then I just want to dance. I just want to dance. And then five years later, the opportunity came again, which is so crazy. And I ended up winning. And I wouldn't have in that space. You wouldn't have such a bad mental space when I came off the show. And I'm like, okay. And so now I've started trusting the nose and the, like, being more accepting, but of course, that comes with the benefit of hindsight. Yeah.

Yeah. And like you say when you did it, it was the right time. Right. Timings everything. Always say that. Was there ever a period where you felt like you needed to distance yourself from Love Island to be taken more seriously? Or was that kind of part of the whole brand?

Do you know what? Well, that sound like a kiss-ass. I found it kind of gross when a lot of people that have great success from whatever show you've done, do this like real sort of, um, this, this redirection where then they kind of don't want this show associated, they don't want to talk about it. They're talking about, they're talking about interviews. They get so offended when someone brings it up. I think it's such a weird way to look at something. Like at the end of day, Love Island was a massive part, is a massive part of pop culture. It literally redirected the course of my life. So I'm really

proud to be part of that. Like you say, I've got these quotable expressions that have lived on for 10 years. There's no part of me that has any need or desire to be separated from it. I think that what I want to prove is that there's more to me than running around a villa in my bikini screaming and shouting. I was like, I have layers to me. I'm going to show you the layers. But if you want to ask, I got my break, I got it from Love Island. Yeah. I hear you on that. There is a time in my life where I was like mad at the Bachelor franchise and I wanted to get away from it. And then I was like, why would I do that? That's like, I ended up getting a rose tattooed on me because I like, no, that's such a part of my story. That's where it all started. Good, bad, and ugly.

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Okay, so getting into doing your own thing, getting filthy rich, the price of perfection. Your documentaries have taken you into worlds like people have really strong opinions about without necessarily knowing anything about them. Of course, that's the internet for you. But what subject did you go into thinking you understood and you left with your opinion completely changed. Well, I guess that I didn't realize that I had maybe judgment about that I didn't even think I, because I'm not a judgmental person, right, but I guess I had preconceived ideas

about people who create adult content or people that are in the adult. And I didn't know I had them until I was in this environment where I was interviewing them on a daily basis. Like, are you, like, because you were surprised by that. I was surprised by that. all sorts of like people that were porn stars, people that were on only fans, like what else? Yeah, so we're getting filled with the rich, basically the documentary. I do a deep dive into the adult entertainment industry and basically look at people who are making the big buck.

So we cover, over these five series, we've covered so many subjects like strip clubs, only fans, porn, all the everything you can think. So I guess in my mind, I wasn't judgmental because I wouldn't have done the show if I was. and I don't have any issues of anyone getting their bag the way they want to get it, as long as they're not hurting themselves or anyone else. But I guess that, you know, I meet these women and I'm like, they're so, some of these,

some of them are so smart. Yeah. Business women, they're running these profiles. Like, they are online 24 hours a day. They have multiple people work with it. It's like a whole machine. It's like, there's so much many more layers to it than you think. So I found that I was really surprised by the,

and you're feeling like I had, anything in common with them. I realized I had, you know, they're just normal girls like me and you, but they just do something that's like really bold. I think really brave. I couldn't do it. Yeah. But I had such a, such a deeper connection with them not expected to. Don't you wish everybody could do that where if they are judging someone online or they don't like someone, they could really just deep dive into like their life and understand them more as a person and then be like, oh, I kind of love you now? Yeah, because I think so many industries like, do you. humanised people. I think the adult

industry 100%. Like reality TV, I think the people that consume reality TV and I get it like I've been a reality TV fan and you can't you become invested in a character but it's like if you actually just pull back for a minute, it's like it's a real person going through

whatever they're going through on TV and yeah I think it's that disconnect becomes it becomes a little bit dark I think that people should like take a moment just to kind of think that everyone's just trying to find their way in the world, you know? Yeah.

Like the people that are so judgmental, I don't feel like, have the capacity themselves to, you know, understand others or what TV could actually be. And I think that, you know, the power of social existence of being on social media or being on reality TV and then people get to hide behind a keyboard and be really nasty. It's not really about you. No, that's the hard thing. It's about them and it's an outlet for whatever you've made them feel. Yeah.

But I always say to people, get a lot of advice from advice. People ask me for a lot of advice. We're going on love eye and a lot of reality shows. I always say, you know, like if you do counter hate when you come out, just or when you're on it, just kind of ride it because if you want to be successful reality to be a person, the audience need to feel something. So it's like whether they feel entertained, angry, they hate you even.

The feeling of emotion is going to be your power to have an audience captivated. If they feel nothing, if you're just vanilla, they're going to forget you exist. by next week. And you might as I'll just stayed at home and, do you know what I mean, played with your dog and your cat? Yes. So I'm like, don't be,

yeah, don't be afraid of evoking feeling from people. That's a good point. I actually like that. I've never heard that take before. And that's really, that's really smart, actually. Yeah, to look at it that way. Yeah. The price of perfection,

I feel like that feels especially personal because you've always been very open about beauty and cosmetic work yourself. So did making that series make you confront anything about your own relationship? with your appearance? I think maybe that when, so price affection, the documentary, we like look at cosmetic surgery industry in the UK, but we've come to the States.

I've been to Korea. And I think maybe, do you know what? I think I minimised some stuff. Like, you know, like having my boobs done. Yeah. You go in, you go to the nice hospital, you get put to sleep. I'm like, oh, it's nothing. Because surgery is so advanced now.

Your recovery can be so great. I think that when I'm there in theatre watching people have surgery, it's so. You know, it's up a little bit in the sense you're like, oh, fuck, you really do have your life in someone's hands. Right. Because I think the cosmetic industry has done a really good job. And this is because of modern medicine, too, but of minimizing things. Oh, you're in and out. But that's great if everything goes perfect.

But sometimes it doesn't go perfect. Right. And in that moment of complete vulnerability, you know, you're on a bed. You're someone is, you know, keeping you alive with the machine. And you have a surgeon who, yeah, it's a big deal. We should actually treat it like the big deal that it is. Yeah, that's true. You just, I think the same way until you just said that.

I'm like, hey, just go in, quick nap. It's expensive now. A little tweak. Yeah. And it's, you know, and I think being there and seeing people under anesthetic and having it. And I'm like, oh, God, it's quite brutal, isn't it? I'm like, I'm like watching someone have a breast augmentation. I'm like, I can't believe I did that twice.

It's quite, is to watch it. It's quite. I don't think I could do that. My girlfriend cut her finger and I had to take her to hospital and almost like threw up. Oh, you wouldn't. Yeah, you wouldn't even do well. But I watch Grey's Anatomy every day. Being there's so different.

I've watched a few now, but watching a BBL is insane. How do they do it? They take, so wherever the person can have the fat that they're going to transfer, so often it's the stomach or like, you know, maybe the legs, they liposuction. Yeah. Really like hardcore because they have to like get a substantial amount of fat. Yeah. And it's in these canisters.

And they're like pumping. And then they like purify it. And it looks like, a sort of big bloody milkshake. And then they pump it into the ass. And it's really gory. Like, it really is. What are the side effects?

Because, like, I feel like people just think, ooh, liposuction. I feel like I heard Brooks Nader talking about this, where she wishes she didn't get liposuction because it causes, like, wrinkles and, like, your skin to kind of go. Liposection is really hard to get right. I think it's one of the ones that a lot of surgeons say, like, oh, I do lipo. I'll do lipo. If I was going to have lipo,

I would want to go to someone that's all they do. Because actually it's a very specific art. Because they basically, if they take too much fat, you can end up with this thing with the skin is kind of stuck to the muscle and it just looks really. You know those stomachs you've seen where the skin is sitting on the muscle? I'm not trying to bully or be rude.

No, but Tara Reid. That's because the surgeon that did my boobs was telling me about it. because not that I wanted, I didn't want a liposuction in my stomach, but I was asking him, I was like, I think my body is just like, I think that's just my uterus, but it like makes me insecure because it pops out all the time. And he was like, Caitlin, if you did like anything to your stomach, it. And then he explained Tara Reid about how that's the same thing. It like wrinkles and sticks to the muscle. Because you need a layer of fat.

Yeah. The fat makes you look youthful. So it's like when you take away, when it's too much taken away, it's like skin, on. Yes. And then that's what I think maybe what Brooks was referring to, like, either too much is taken or if it's not taken evenly. Yeah.

Then you can create these. So it's actually quite a hard thing to get right. Yeah. So did it make you kind of rethink other surgeries now? If you were thinking about getting one now, you're like, maybe not. I mean, look, some of these surgeons, especially in the States, the prices are obscene. And so, like, you don't need to be paying $300,000 for a facelift. But it made me realize that when I,

I do want to have a facelift, I know I need to save up because you kind of get what you pay for in surgery. Like, you want to be going to someone that is like really going to take care of you. They're doing whatever you have done. They're doing that day in, day out. And yeah, not to take it lightly at all. And, you know, and recovery, take recovery seriously. I mean, I always did more my second boob job because I was older.

Yeah. When I think back to the one I had done with my early 20s, like I think I was out on like drinking two days later, which is insane. That's what I did on my boob job. Yeah. And I was old enough to know better. It was like a year ago. I literally got my boobs on, I think like a year and a half ago.

And my girlfriends were coming to visit from Canada. And Canadians like to get after it. And so I was like, I'll be fine. And it was day three. I had drains. And it was like still. And I was on one of those pedal taverns in Nashville. Like pedaling would actually they gave me the backseat.

I didn't have to pedal. drinking. Yeah, no, it was stupid. Okay, don't do it, Caitlin. Did look after yourself in recovery? I thought, I thought I recovered for three days. I'm good. But I mean, to be fair, like you say if you're a good surgeon,

like especially breast auger, the recovery can be quick. Yeah, it was. Did you find having drains painful or no? Yeah. I don't know any different. You only, because, yeah, because I never had them of mine. But, yeah, luckily my surgeon was like, I don't think you need them. I don't even.

The idea of it was, is like, It's like a little bag that collects blood, isn't it, basically? It's not blood, but it looks like blood. It's like liquid. Yeah. And it's freaky because I never thought I would get my boobs done. I just always really loved my small boobs. And it just came out of nowhere that I was like, it's my 40th birthday.

I'm going to get it done. Yeah. And then I like, I remember looking in the mirror because post-surgery anxiety is such a real thing too where you're like, what the fuck have I done when I do this to myself? And especially seeing drains and doing it. I was like, what have I done? And now I'm obsessed. But there is such a weird, I call it, like, day three, like blues.

When you feel kind of shitty and then you're trying to wean off the pain pills. The pain pills. And you can't see your results yet properly. And then you're like, I did this to myself. Yeah. I did this to myself. Yeah, that's a real thing. But then you get past it and when you see the actual results, you're like, okay.

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Let's switch gears. And I want to only talk about this for a second because it's about men. Boring. Boring. But you've made it not boring because

I can't say I find men boring because I like I love men but to my own downfall. Yeah, I have such a love hate relationship. There's just something objectively hilarious about you now being professionally paid to deal with terrible men. Oh, I know.

So tell us about bad boyfriends. Like tell us about the, what you do with this. So I host a show called bad boyfriends where we essentially, we law a group of naughty boyfriends. Like they can be cheaters, liars, man babies, whatever I'm going to call it. They've all got different

relationship issues. We basically law them onto an island. We went to a Greek island. We went to Ibiza. And they think they're going on like a big lad's trip to make a TV show about like being a lad. Yeah. And then the girlfriends rock up.

And it actually is, Olivia out was bad boyfriends. And I basically put the couples into like relationship boot camp. And I try to like basically train these men to become good men. Yeah. And some are amazing and some have like

complete epiphanies and they... Really? Yeah, because I think when you take some people out of their home environment, so you've grew up in a town and you've had the same 10 mates for...

And I'm not making excuses to it. It really sounds like I am, but I'm not. And all your mates cheat on their girlfriend or all your mates like make misogynistic jokes. What else do you know about inside of that?

And all your mates... You're the sum of the five people you surround yourself with. So when you then take them out of that group and put them into someone out their comfort zone they meet new people and they go,

actually that's not funny or that's not normal. They either realize, okay, one, I'm not treating this person with the respect because probably they're not my person and then the relationship will dissolve

or they get a reality check and it's really sweet actually. They are naughty boys but there's moments where I'm, my little black heart melt my heart. They really get in my feels and everyone's like,

oh, do you hate the boys? And I'm like, some of them pissed me off during the show because I think, why are you behaving like that? but they get like, yeah, I start to get this soft spot for them because I see them reflecting on their own behaviour. And that's quite a great thing.

And they probably grew up a certain way. There's always some sort of like trauma behind it and how they saw. Yeah, it's, but I love hearing that bad boyfriends can become good boyfriends. They can. But it's not, I wouldn't recommend anyone to waste precious years of their 20s trying to convince someone to be good to you. Yes. But as a social experiment, as a TV show, it's very interesting.

I think it's also interesting for the viewers. Because I think that as the viewers watch, everyone can relate to one story. They go, I live that. I had the boyfriend that was lazy, wouldn't get off the couch, wouldn't help with anything. Or I had the boyfriend that was, you know, sleazy.

Like, everyone can relate to something. So true. What do you think the biggest thing that women mistake for like a rough patch that you now recognize as a red flag that you would say to women in their 20s who are wasting their time? Or 30s or 40s, whoever's out there.

I'd say if you have to, I think rough patches in long-term relationships are inevitable. I think that like if you're in a long-term relationship, I don't believe it should be when people say it's hard work. I don't think a relationship with the right person should be hard work, but it is work. Yeah. And there were periods where one part of the relationship is showing up more than the other.

But I think if you have to continually beg and negotiate with someone to treat you right, then it's not for you. Yeah, that's it. You shouldn't have to keep reiterations. And that seems so obvious, but when people like love somebody so much, they, which is interesting that you can love somebody who's not treating you properly, but it happens all the time. And actually it creates, I think, a stronger, like toxic bond sometimes.

Because then when they do treat you amazingly, it's, it feels so much bigger. And it feels like you get such a much more of a dopamine kick out because the good day, it feels so special. Yeah. My dream is to never be in a relationship where, again, where we go, let's try and argue today. Oh, my gosh. Like, we haven't got, we're not on this earth for very long.

I just, I can't do that again. No, and it's too, when you've done it enough too, you're so mentally drained that I can't even like participate in arguments that are stupid anymore. Like, unless they're constructive and they like are something you really need to sit down and chat about, fine. But like a stupid argument or getting mad about little things. I just don't have time for it anymore.

People don't want to believe it because I think they want to, They want to believe the opposite is more fun. But if you think about me from Love Island, I honestly cannot remember the last time I shouted. Like I just, in my 20s, my mid, my first part of my 20s, all I did was screaming shout with boyfriends. I honestly cannot remember the last time. Even when my breakup that happened earlier this year,

there was no screaming shout. There just wasn't. I felt like you get as points your life or you don't have the energy for that shit anymore. Well, you also have so much life experience. Like you've done so much and you've seen so many relationships and you've been a part of so many things that kind of dissect people's brains and hearts and why they are the way they are. So it kind of opens your eyes too to like, you know, a deeper meaning of why somebody could be the way that they are. Yeah. And it takes away the like, I don't have time.

It's exhausting. Exhausting. And you, I mean, you've talked about how leaving a relationship can actually be harder than staying. was it difficult for you? Because you were on and off with somebody for 10 years, weren't you? Yeah, so my ex, yeah, we split in the very early part of this year.

Yeah, it was like, I mean, it was more than that. I think more like 11 years, yeah, all in. Pre-love Island, we got back together and we're engaged and married all the rest of it. But yeah, I think that, I mean, everyone's different, but I think leaving is scary. I like what I know. Yeah.

And I don't, I know more great with change. And I've always found that really quite difficult. So for a long time, I think I knew that I needed to walk away, but I had to like, I was kind of waiting for some universal sign. I knew things weren't right and I knew that I knew what I needed to do, but I just had to. And a therapist told me a really good thing. He said, the longer you wait to jump in the water doesn't mean it's going to get any warmer. That's so good. And you have to do the hard thing.

Yeah. It's still going to be freezing cold when you jump in. Yep. Even if you wait, but the difference is you would have wasted six months. Because you often know when you know. I think people say like, well, if you're not happy, just leave. And I just feel like obviously. That's so easy to say.

Like. So simple to say. You can't you just get to a point where you can't negotiate with yourself anymore. And I love what your therapist said. I kept saying to my therapist, I'm just so confused. And she said, I think there's clarity in your confusion. Like you shouldn't be that confused. That's so true.

And I was like, yeah. Yeah, that's such a good point. And then I think a lot of people, especially when you're in the public eye, think, well, you didn't even, you weren't even hurt. You moved on so fast or you didn't heal or everyone thinks you're supposed to be alone for X amount of time. But really, you've done so much processing in your own brain and body during the time that you know you wanted to leave, that you know what you want next. Yeah. Like my Instagram followers, I have a great relationship with them and I have a good relationship with the British press. But it's like I'm not, I haven't shared with you the last six months every time.

day where I really feel like I need to leave this relationship. I can't stop crying. You don't know. You know what I let you in on. Yes. So I think that's like going back to that thing we said about the parissocial, you know, reality TV thing. You know what you're being shown.

There's a whole bigger picture happening. And some people are really candid. They show up online, crying and they do. That's not me. I know that my comfortability is not that. I wish it was sometimes so that people could understand that there's a softness to me. But it's just not how I feel comfortable. showing up. So then I think if I'm carrying, like when we split, I threw myself into work.

And I was like my work, I'll be honest, my work saved me. Because like getting up, going. And I know some people say it's not very healthy to put on a brave face, whatever. Actually for me, it just kept me moving. kept me going. But then people like, you say, like, I'm turning up to see my job, host my podcast. Oh, she doesn't care. You have no idea. I was like crying in the toilet two minutes before then I'm like right camera action let's go you don't know what goes in behind this so give people a little bit of grace somebody was on this podcast

and I was always so confused by that I'm like how do people just assume and she said something that I've stuck with me and I've mentioned it on so many podcasts where the audience fills in their own gaps that's yeah they just they of course they don't picture you crying because you are a strong person and that

that doesn't mean that strong means you don't cry in the bathroom strong means you do cry in the bathroom and show up on the podcast, you know? Cry on there like a winner and just wipe it all the way and then get business done, yeah. And then if you do sit there and cry online, people are like, this is making me uncomfortable. You're doing it for attention.

It's just you can't win, but it is fascinating to be in that space where you do. You share the highs and not the lows, and then people fill in their own gaps, but you're now in a new relationship. And I love this because you guys knew each other from before. For years and years and years. I love that.

What shifted? How did this happen? Like, we were friends for years and we went through different areas of each of us life where we, like, we worked on projects. And we have a radio show that we host together in the UK. And then before that, we crossed over on another reality show. So we kind of been in that beach of us lives. And it was always just a friendship thing. I guess around, you know, after I split from my ex, we started sending more time together.

I mean, he's now obviously confessed to me that he'd started to feel romantically towards me, like, you know, whenever that started for him. and then yeah and then he kind of he shared that with me kind of quite soon after that split and I was I kind of I kept him like at arms bed for like a hot minute but we I knew straight away

that we had a connection that I hadn't been aware of and I have to be honest like this I don't think it's a right way to do this people like we love to get on their high horse and be like you should be single after you should just for me I love love yeah I feel like we're only here one time we only get one go round.

I'm having this connection with this, like, friend. We're, like, falling in love with each other. I'm not going to just, like, put it on ice because it doesn't follow the format that people expect you to follow. And it's like, and it's like, people have opinions on it. But I really think it's like, I'm only going to, like I say, go round once. Like, what's better than being in love? Like, that's the best thing in the world.

Especially when you're feeling, like, I know you've mentioned that this feels easy. And like, easy. Yeah, and that's so nice. I hate when people have their opinions on how you should feel. And sometimes I think it comes from a genuinely good place, but other times it comes from a place of judgments. It kind of really depends. But what I have learned, and this is like no shade on my ex, because we had great years.

And he was not a bad boyfriend. We had really good times, and he was lovely to me, and he helped me through different areas of my life. But I think there's an element when you've been in a long-term relationship that you think, if I leave now, all the work we've done is a waste, all the fighting, all the me explaining how I like things done. It's all a waste.

But then when you actually have the jump and you go and you leave and then you start dating someone that maybe is actually a better match for you because you outgrew your ex-partner, you've realised like actually you don't have to do all that work, you know, that you don't have to do all the negotiating and the, you know, because it just is easier. Yes. But it's hard because when you fall in love with someone, you're young, and then you grow up together and you kind of start to grow apart. You want to try and keep it stay together.

Of course. But sometimes it just doesn't work like that. And to me it's like that's just common sense, but to a lot of people. When you're in it, it feels. It really is. But you're like, hi, do you know who I am? I don't follow other people's rules and formats and blueprints of what you think I should be doing. I think also, depending on breakups, how they go.

It's like that person was also your friend. And breakup is a horrible and painful. And you're unwinding a life you had together. It's really... Yeah. Are you scared to date publicly again, though? Or are you like... Well, we are public now.

Yeah. We tried to keep it. Yeah. We tried to keep it quiet for as long as we could. I mean, we got... Someone took a picture of us on a bar kissing and since it's the tabloid and then, yeah, just it was the room. And then in a way, we had a conversation on a holiday and I was like, almost trying to

keep this a secret is almost using more energy than if we were just to come out with it. Because actually, I'm getting sick of people thinking they're catching. us out because that's not a very nice way to live either, is it? I agree. So then we thought, fuck it. So we did like, you know, the, I feel like such a boomer. Like, you know, the hard launch.

I'm like, on my phone. I was like, is this, like, because that wasn't really a thing last time I was in a relationship. Like, because we're both in the industry. Like, like this massive deal was made. Like having to do like a public breakup announcement, like together. You're like, and now we have to do the hard launch, but whatever. And one thing I always said when I did my breakup announcement, if you want to call that, I was like, I promise I'm not going to ask my audience to respect my privacy.

That shit pisses me off right. If you have shared everything all the way along, like I filmed my wedding for a TV show, you owe your audience, I think just a little bit of tea. I agree. A little bit. Like I hate when people who have like, say you follow some random YouTube couple and they have literally filmed from shaving his back to having a shave. it together and then they go respect our privacy.

Fuck it. Fuck you. I have watched hours of you too. I need some information. I know. So were you open about like when you guys went through your breakup? Were you like here's what happened? Here's the deep.

I didn't like unload the whole day. But I gave like I was no. I was like and I did in some interviews. I did a couple of interviews where I was like I'm going to give a couple of lines on this and then I'm going to draw a line. I'm not going to be like this is off record. I'm just going to be like, okay, this is what happened. We're moving on my lives and then I'm going to move on from the

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actually a really tricky business to be in, but you have your own ready to drink cocktail. Tell me how you started this. So basically, my partners acquired an existing ready to drink cocktail company that was kind of just like floating along. They acquired it. It's like my partners are like big in the drinks world. And I mean, this is like a tale as old as time. Kim Kardashian's done this update.

Like this is how most, you know, a lot of products come to be. They're acquired and then they're relaunched. And then I was actively meeting with. different people in the drinks industry because I was like I feel like having a drink it just makes sense for me like I love to get wild I like and I just think it will be a I was looking it was a time where I'm looking to get my foot in some investments yeah and I met with them they're like think it'd be a great fit so we took the product we kind of we reformulated some of the drinks we develop some new flavors repackaged and then it came to be savano and yeah and

it's just you know what we have I'm not going to say we haven't worked hard because we've worked hard on it like it's been a labor of love. It's, you know, me and my team, it's like seven days a week. Yeah. I've drank shit loads of it. Yeah. That's amazing. And we have, it's just blown up.

Like, we can't even keep it in stock. We cannot keep it in stock. He's blown. Yeah. And I want to get into the U.S. market. But like, yeah, so we, in this, in the UK, it's been like the supermarkets, the but they're fighting over stock. So I'm so proud of it.

Is that such a cool feeling seeing it on the shelves? Oh my gosh. So, and also it's like, you know, everything from the design of the can. Like, anyone that's developed. product you know how much goes into it like looking at the like is that shade of yellow right and all the little tweaks and I would do it at the launch party the marketing like and just down to the actual drink inside yeah so much goes into it and my audience trust me they know I love to drink yeah yeah so I can't produce something this shit yeah and also like I want it to be strong yes I'm like I can't

you know a lot I don't know if you have you do have ready to drink cocktails in the cans but quite often they're like sugary it's just like sugar and just like sugar and like four or five I like a spirit forward drink where I could taste it. It's got four ingredients. I know this crap and e-lumbers and red. What is your like favorite go-to drink? I'm a Moscow meal. Oh, yeah.

It's my drink. I could never get bored of them. And then I just do like a vodka soda if I want to keep it. I do love wine. That's, well, I love wine. But my, I love a dirty gin martini. Nice. Yeah.

That's when you know that, that's bad. My mouth watered. Okay. Before I let you go, I have just a quick game for you. called crack on or get mugged off. Nice. Thanks. I like that.

I feel like you. That's so British. They're so British. Hey, I'm Canadian. We're like honorary British people. I did my 23 and me. I'm all British. Okay.

So that's why you've got the good sense of humor. Thank you. That's what I'm going to say that. Okay. You spend enough time around Love Island and bad boyfriends that I feel like you have like a completely fake and highly qualified degree in men. So I'm going to give. you some dating scenarios. You have three options. You can crack on. We're staying in it. The ick.

Something's off, but maybe we can fix it or mugged off. Absolutely not. We're done here. Okay. Okay. So first, he follows hundreds of random hot girls on Instagram. I'm icked out by it. Yeah. But I don't, especially if he was single for a long time, I'm not overly freaked out by that. Yeah. I think that's fair. Every single one of his exes is apparently crazy. that say what's the mugged off yeah that's a red flag that it also who made them crazy like they can't all be crazy

yeah yeah but this this feels like a you problem there's a common denominator and it's you yeah exactly his phone has a privacy screen no I think in this day and age it's quite common isn't it yeah yeah I don't mind

just off right now but yeah I just crack on it doesn't really bother me okay he's still friends with the next See, I think I'm too tourist jealous. It depends when you say friends. Like if they're like having lunch and shit, it's not that I just, I know,

I'm woman enough to say that I wouldn't like it. Yeah, that's fair. What about if they just text happy birthday once here? Because I still think that, like, nah, I shouldn't say that's weird

because my ex still, one of my exes, I'm really good friends with his parents. And he'll send me a happy birthday. And I think that's nice. I think that kind of level of communication is fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think anything more,

I'd be icked out and then I would mug them off. Okay. What about, I have somebody who's used from. He won't give you his phone password. I think it would tick me out. I think it's a little bit of a, it's a little bit of a red flag in a long-term relationship, right?

If you're like really in a serious relationship and you, you know, I think that's, yeah, that's a right, like you should be concerned. But early days, It's weird if you're asking. You shouldn't be asking. Because also I do believe people should have their own privacy. Yeah, I agree.

I think that, yeah, that I would be suspicious if it was a long-term relationship. What if he doesn't believe in marriage? I don't, I honestly, I don't know if I fully believe in it sometimes anymore. Like, it's a whole thing, like, to a kind of worms, but I didn't sign my marriage certificate in the end. It's a whole big story. But because of around that time, it was too late to not get married. And I knew I loved him.

but some things happened where I was really concerned about the vulnerable state. It would put me in legally financially. Yeah. Yeah. So I think men have been protecting their finances and themselves for years. I know I'm back to Nilever, but when a woman does it, it's like, oh, my God, she's such a maleptive bitch. So I think that marriage makes things very complicated, like legally and stuff. I think if marriage matters to you, then you shouldn't spend any more time in that relationship. But if you're not bothered, then it's fine.

I agree. Okay, final one. He cheats once, tells you immediately, takes full accountability, goes to therapy, genuinely changes his behavior and asks for another chance. Crack on ick or have we officially been mugged off? It's ick. I don't think the listeners are going to like me for this one, but if all of that is true, yes. It depends on what's left to fight for. If everything else is good, I'm very of the opinion that human beings, and I'm just going to enrage people

and I'm not excusing cheating. It's a terrible thing to do. But that human beings are flawed. And I was talking to my therapist about this. And he said people that cheat often go into two categories. You have like people that are several cheats. They're lustful. They'll always be, you know.

Once a cheater, always a cheater. Yeah. It's just a very much a part of like who they are. They have lax morals, lacks self-control. And then you do find people that will make a mistake once and they will literally regret it for the rest of their lives. But I think it's very hard to know. Because if the person that gets caught cheating,

they're going to want you to believe they're the second person. But you want to waste your time with person A, because that is just who they are. Yeah. I love that you're in therapy too. That's such a wonderful thing. Oh, thank God. I would be like, show to her, Brittany.

Like, I would be, I'm not close to that multiple times, like with therapy. Well, I love, okay, this is so fun. And I love that you're building an audience, like, more in America now. So what's the dream over here? Do you know, I think I've been spending more time here the last few years. After Love Island, obviously, you guys love UK Love Island. And my podcast is now, you know, streamed quite a lot over here. I want to get Savano interoperability areas out here.

And just to have that kind of like cross-Atlantic existence. That's so cool. I'm not like, you know, when you come to the States, the UK media is always like, she's going to America. I'm like, I'm nurturing what I have in the UK because I've got a good thing going. But I don't think it's, I love being here. I love being here. being in New York, especially New York.

Oh, I know. Isn't it the best? So if I can have, you know, both my career and my shows to be streamed out here. Yeah, just to kind of have it existing in both. I hope you pat yourself on the back. Maybe not enough. Well, let's do it a little more because you are crushing it in two countries and probably three, because I'm sure Canadians love you too.

Australia, Big Love Island, Pat. You know what? You could go on a worldwide tour because everyone loves you. You're so fun and you're so successful, but it's because you follow your passions. you stay true to yourself and I just love everything tell everyone where they can find your podcast and you're very good kind I mean it and my podcast is available everywhere you'll get your podcast iTunes Spotify Olivia's house Olivia's house yes and it all goes down in Olivia's house yeah spill the tea that's awesome I love that and you have to come on I would love to okay you have to

actually I want to come back out here and record so we'll make it happen yes please or I would love to you're in London yeah yeah I love London I've only been twice and I love it so much it's good fun it is good fun. Thank you for having me. Thank you so much. I'm Caitlin Bristow. I'll see you next Tuesday. Oh, and welcome to Pluto Fo. If you know the name of the movie you'd like to see, just stream it for free on Pluto TV. Where all your blockbuster favorites are landing all summer long. Catch Anchorman, the legend of Ron Burgundy. Fantastic. The Matrix Trilogy. Welcome to the real world. Mean girls. Shut up. Titanic. I'm the key in the way. And so much more. For showtimes, press nothing. They're free 24-7.

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