Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Perez Hilton: Council Culture > Cancel Culture

Episode Date: September 7, 2021

The OG Influencer and one of Hollywood’s “most notable troublemakers”, Perez Hilton, joins Kaitlyn to spill the celebri-tea on… the new leaf he’s turned over for himself?!! Perez has had his fair share of controversies in the media as well as lawsuits over the past decade+ but he’s been using the past couple of years to change the way he sees things, the way he reports on celebrity goss and he shares that he has even removed certain words from his vocabulary. He shares with Kaitlyn how he realizes he was a huge part of the problem and fuelled the fire in many instances, especially with the entire #FREEBritney movement which Kaitlyn and him deep dive into discussing. He hasn’t changed everything though - Perez being Perez, takes over the first part of the interview asking Kaitlyn alllll the questions about her life on her own podcast, including Jason’s close call when he was hit by a car. Perez is a busy single father of 3 and he proves he has had zero time for a personal life via his "rusty" confession... You can find Perez on IG at @ThePerezHilton @PerezHilton and @MyTrueTen CHINET - Visit mychinet.com to find out more. OXICLEAN - Visit oxicleancoupons.com where a coupon is waiting for you. BOLL & BRANCH - Listeners get an exclusive 15% off your first set of sheets with promo code VINE15 at bollandbranch.com EUROPEAN WAX CENTER - Visit waxcenter.com and book your reservation today. All first-time guests get their first first wax free! GEICO - Go to geico.com, get a quote, and see how much you could save. It’s GEICO-easy! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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everyone's welcome so come on in because OTV it's about to begin hey welcome to off the vine I'm your host Britney bitch just kidding it's Caitlin but this episode has so much

Brittany content and I freaking loved it I am joined by the one and only Perez Hilton I guess there's Paris Hilton but they are spelled and pronounced very differently anyways after Perez takes over my podcast and interviews me all about the Bachelor world. We talk all things, Britney

from how the hashtag free Britney movement started, wanting to kick Jamie Spears and the non-existent balls, how mental health is super important, and this whole new Nirvana album cover lawsuit. Perez Hilton is the OG influencer and has been around the block

and back and always has the juiciest of juicy gossip. But he has truly grown in so many ways. I can say that I've been a fan of his since 2007. He's a very different person and he has a new empathetic take on all sides to every story and I really loved our chat. I'm actually quite impressed. My Britney and Celebrity News Update cup is filled to the brim just as your glasses fade and sparrows should be before you sit back, kick up those cute little

feed of yours and enjoy hearing all the goods from Perez. Hello, how are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm good, thank you. You know what? I'm not going to lie. I was at the gym before this and I was like, I'm just going to put my hair in a nice, slick back sweaty bun and then shower after. So, you know what? That's the beauty of Zooms. Well, I want to take over your podcast and just start asking you questions because I'm Perez Hilton. So you can do that.

This most recent Bachelorette, for the most part, and the whole season was kind of scandal-free. I agree. Although she got into a little bit of a something a couple days ago talking about taking an edible and people got all upset about that. People got upset about her taking an edible in Seattle? Because she's a role model and she shouldn't be talking about that on social media and yada, yada, yada. Her response was exactly as yours. I am of age. I did it in a place where it's legal and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

But you know what? You've been doing this long enough, and I've been doing it long enough to know that people on social media are going to talk. And if they're not talking about you, then you're in trouble. That's so true. That was such a main point I was going to bring up to you is how much you've just stayed relevant for so many freaking years. Like, nonstop, you're constantly giving the people what they want. You have inside scoops. You are, you know, you're like the OG of celebrity gossip.

And it is true. If people aren't talking about you, that it's concerning. I try and tell Katie that because, you know, I take offense. You're really good at not taking offense from people. Like you literally give zero shits unless you like realize that you've done something wrong. You own up to it immediately. But Katie takes things so personally. And I was like, that will change over the years because if those people stop and you like wean out haters, then that's boring.

And then people aren't talking about you. And it's like if you want to start a business or have a platform, you got to have shit talkers on there. Well, they're more valuable to you. I think I might have said this to you last time, or if not, I'll repeat it in 60 seconds or less. A negative comment is worth more on your social media than a positive comment. Like, let's say you put a photo up of you and your fiancé looking hot, ready to go out on a night on the town. And somebody said, you look so ugly or did you gain weight or whatever? Then other people who agree with that person will chime in, but you're doing.

defenders will also chime in. And at the end of the day, it'll only help you with engagement and maybe even get you some press. There's only positives, I think, if you look at it that way. Well, that's just having different perspective, which is, you know, why you're able to brush things off is because if you have that perspective of, like, people will be like, block them. And I'm like, well, no, because that gives me engagement on my page.

And at the end of the day, I win, not these trolls. So sometimes I like clapping back. sometimes I ignore, but I never block because it's just more engagement. So you're engaged, speaking of engagement, and your fiancé got into a scary accident recently. Yes, I saw you did a story on that and I was like, oh my gosh, first of all, when I saw some headlines, I'm like, they didn't sound like he died. Well, he got hit by a car and he dented the car. That sounded real scary to me.

It was. It was terrifying. We were walking the dogs to go. There's like a park, a few blocks away from. here where we take them to go to the bathroom and so we're walking them and we'd both had a few cocktails oh i didn't know that i did not know that he said he was not on the phone so he wasn't distracted he was not on his phone we had enough to that we knew the light said green and we were in the right to walk but we also had enough to for him to not get fully crushed because i think

his body just like limped over the hood of the car because he was like well lucy-goosey He was walking Pino and I was walking Raman and I had already crossed the street and I was like, okay, come on. Are you crossing? And he was pulling Pino and he's like Pino keeps smelling something over there. Because usually Pino is dragging us across the street. But this time he was pulling. Thank God. So Jason stepped out. And what happened was there was a guy that was coming up. And I think the guy wanted to make the right turn on a red light. So he was just making sure no one from the left was coming and didn't look to his right where we were walking. And so as soon as I heard this, smash. I looked behind me and I was like, holy shit. And Jason was like on the hood of the car and like bounced up and just started yelling at the guy. And luckily the guy stopped. And Jason got his information and filed a police report. And I was like, are you in shock right now? Or like, is something really wrong and you don't even know it? Like are you walking on a broken leg? And he's like, I don't know. I feel fine. And then we went to bed. And in the morning, I was like, how's your leg?

Like, are you okay? And he's like, I don't know, let me get up and check. So he stands up. And he's got him like pretty decent bruise down the side of his leg and his butt was sore. But overall, he was, he was okay. It was just more scary than anything. Are there any next steps? Like, is he going to contact that guy's insurance company?

Is there a lawsuit possibly coming? Jason's too nice. That's what I said. I was like, sue him. But Jason's like, well, I. think I'm okay. Like he's gonna, I think, you know, he's someone that goes to the gym every day and he plays sports and he's at a golf tournament right now. So if it affects him, I think he would definitely do something. But as of right now, he seems to be doing okay. So explain to me this. It used to be

that, you know, when people would go on the bachelor and the bachelorette, if they did not live in Los Angeles, a lot of them would then just stay there after the show. But now I've observed maybe over the last five years and you were one of the first, there seems to be a gigantic bachelor nation crew in Nashville where you live. Why are they all moving to Nashville? What's up with that? That's a really good question. I actually don't have an answer to that. I know I moved there because when I got engaged to Sean on the show, that's where he lived. And so I was like, oh, Nashville sounds cool. Like, I'll go there. And now it feels like that you're right. There's a huge crew of bachelor, bachelor, bachelorette people in Nashville. And if they're not there,

they come and visit all the time and then eventually move there. I don't know what it is about Nashville. Okay, I have a little theory, which is kind of mean, but I don't know if it's true or not. I think you feel very famous in Nashville if you're on The Bachelorette. That's the target demo, the people from that city. It's the target demo. And the difference is some people love that. And some people, it's a nasty drug that they feel addicted to.

And some people like myself, I get bad anxiety when I get recognized. I like, because I want to be so nice to everybody and I want to like thank them and I never know if they're buying my wine or my scrunchies or if they're a hater that's just coming up to me. So I get like really bad anxiety. And I think a lot of Bachelor Nation like thrives off, you know, feeling relevant. And Nashville, you definitely feel relevant there. And I mean, I'm not hating on it. I think it's awesome. If you like that feeling and you can do it in a healthy way and stay relevant and have fun with it, go for it. What's keeping you there now? Because you were there. before Jason, right? Yes. He moved there to be with you. So what's keeping you in Nashville? Nothing. Because you're from Canada originally.

Yes. I would love to have a summer house in Canada. Really, there's nothing keeping me in Nashville. I have a best friend there who I adore. But really at the end of the day, Jason and I were just talking about this, what is keeping us in Nashville? We think about raising kids and it doesn't feel like a very progressive place that we want to be in for raising kids.

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business I will say is so much harder than I thought it was going to be. I thought there's a lot of wine out there. There's a lot of wine out there. There's a lot of podcasts out there. There's a lot of everything's very saturated and I got scared because I was like, oh, I thought I could just be Caitlin and attach my name to a label, which I didn't want to just do that. I really wanted it to be my own business. So I did go the other way. I could have just slapped my name on something, but I wanted it to really be mine. And with that, I feel like I'm getting like a free MBA on like every business phone call. Like I'm literally learning so much each week that it's overwhelming because when it comes to like production, manufacturing, the shipping, the cost,

the legal states of which can be where and getting it into Canada where I'm from, like everything just seems to always be a roadblock or a challenge. But I have such a good team. And that's another thing I would say before starting a business is have the most solid team who understands your audience because that's made a huge difference for me. And part of business is always evolving. Yeah. Is there a new cat? or something different that you're going to be doing with your wines coming out soon? Yeah. I actually, I love this interview. I love when people can interview me too. I'm like, this is fun. I really want to come up with a sparkling wine because I...

I love me. See, I'm not a huge wine drinker, but I will do a sparkling wine. Yes. They do like sweet or dry? Sweet. I'm a sweet person. Really? Mm-hmm. Okay, so mine's going to be kind of just in between because it'll be for people who don't like it too dry, don't like it too sweet. It's going to be right in the middle. But I've been really excited to do two things. Because we have a Pino noir, a cab, a rosé, and a Pino Grigio, and something I've always really wanted to do was a reserve bottle, so something a little more high end and name it like, I don't know, something that has to do the podcast, like the confessional and do like

a nice reserve for the holidays and then also sparkling wine. So that's another thing we're looking into right now. exciting and can we go back to the bachelor world for a bit yeah yeah since i'm a big gay yeah the gays amongst ourselves have talked about that colton underwood a lot yes you know everybody who watches or who listens to your show i i'm sure knows his backstory and knows everything that happened with his coming out why do you think his ex hasn't really like given an interview and hasn't really spoken out. I was wondering that same thing.

I know she's a very private person and Cassie didn't like the whole attention and hype that they were getting as a couple after it kind of overwhelmed her. She's an introvert. And Colton was very much like bring on all the attention, like give it all to me. And so I think she was like, ah, so I think she's kind of enjoying not having to talk about it because I'm sure she's gotten, you know, everyone coming at her for interviews. and I would have loved to interview her, but I think she just was like,

I need some space. And like she's probably still processing the fact that she was in love with somebody that turns out to be gay. I feel like that might be like something she would have to process. And they had the turbulent end to their relationship as well. Right.

What did you think of the whole Colton coming out thing? Because I know the gay community had some thoughts on that and how he did it and kind of using it for publicity, but like obviously you want somebody to live their truth. How did you feel about it? At the end of the day, I think he is this person and might as well exploit yourself. I'm all for it. Might as well monetize it.

I'm all for it. I think that's actually being smart. Could you have handled it in a better way? There had been others. Like that one football player who came out recently, who did it perfectly and donated a ton of money. Colton's like, I'm not donating money. I'm doing a reality TV show. Exactly. But you know what? I'm like the ultimate player. I don't hate the player. You know, play on. Because if you're not doing what he's doing, which is really strategizing and thinking, okay, I have this thing in my life. How can I turn this into something bigger? And you might end up like, oh God, his name is blanking on me. But one of the former bachelors who ended up moving, he used to live in Colorado and now he moved back home. And there are all these headlines.

lines about how Ben Higgins? Yes, right. He was struggling because his clout isn't quite there anymore. He's not as relevant as he used to be, and that's an adjustment. So, you know, Colton is, you know,

let me make money, let me cash in because it might not last. I think that's smart. I agree with that. I think it's, the only thing that bugs me are two things. I don't like that he decided to be The Bachelor because clearly he wasted so many people's time.

And we knew. He knew. He had hooked up with people, but he'd hooked up with men before. But at the same time, if I got the opportunity to be the Bachelor and if I could pass as heterosexual, I wouldn't fucking do it. Right, right. Like, you're putting me on TV. He is religious, so maybe he did have that thought that, like,

if he was put in front of all these perfect women, like that maybe he could be just bisexual and not gay. So if that was you, if you were Cassie, you know, would you be besties with him now? No, because he violated the shit out of her. He, like, put tracking devices on her car and was, like, completely manipulative. If it was a different circumstance, I think I could. I always wished my exes were gay and that was why it ended because I was like, I would love to be friends with them.

But I would if it was a different circumstance. But if I was Cassie, no. So the other franchise, the Bachelor. Yeah. Who is the guy that did the last season? what's his name? Matt James. Right.

No, I mean, who hosted it? Wasn't, was that still? It was still Chris. Yeah. Oh, but then they had somebody else do the, the rose, the confession, the after the rose serum, uh, that it was. Oh, yeah, yeah. Emmanuel.

Yes. Yes. Him. Yeah. So the next cycle of the Bachelor then has not been announced who's going to host that. And if you think they will tell me, they don't tell me shit because I have a big mouth. Well, wouldn't it make sense then just to have you do both? I would think.

I don't know because I think sometimes I wonder if people even like having two hosts or if they could split us up over Bachelor and Bachelorette. I don't know. And they haven't talked to us about that. They really, I don't think they know either. So my thought is, yeah, it would be cool. But I also would think it's nice for us to be women supporting this woman going through all of this.

we can kind of help the guys sometimes when it gets down to like her final four and we can have more communication with them because we too have been in their position. But I would think maybe a guy who is in the lead would want somebody else who's been in his position. I don't know. And then if you think about that, who the hell would it be? Well, that's what I was going to say. If it was a guy, who would you suggest that's been through that all? I mean, well, the thing is you want the franchise to diversify. And I don't know. I don't know if it would be somebody from the franchise or if you would bring someone else

that hasn't had that experience but watching it back and I'm not trying to just like pump my own tires I think it really helped and benefited the show to have somebody who could pick somebody up off the bathroom floor and relate to them and say you know you're going to be okay and I'm not talking to you as a producer

I'm talking to you as a friend who's done this before. So it is nice to have that but I mean I just can't think of anyone from the franchise who is a bad That would be able to do that. Like Ben Higgins would be incredible, but do we really need another white male who hosts the show? Like, I don't know. So Chris Harrison, we all know what happened there.

Maybe you've talked about it on your show, but you haven't talked about it with me. Yeah. Do you think, I mean, it's, you're employed by the mouse house now. They're, they're signing your paychecks. So, you know, I'm going to preface my question with, we all know that, but do you think he should have been fired? I go back and forth on this all the time because, well, they hired me knowing that I will always say my own opinion and that's something I will always stand by, no matter what contract I'm under, I'm always going to say my real opinion. So I go back and forth on this because Chris was such a dear friend of mine and I adore him and I love him. as a human being and he's done so much for me and he's always been there can't say enough good

things about him and i know for a fact when that interview happened i think all of us were like like we knew that's not good that's not right this is going to you know you're going to have some serious consequences for that and i immediately instead of you know i don't want to just go on the internet and start bashing him i i tried to call a message him and just said you know that was bad like do you know how bad that was i don't agree with how you approached it i'm going to have to speak on this i know your intentions as a human being but i'm going to have to say something because i definitely disagree with how that interview went and i hope you see that and he said absolutely he was like he was so thrown off he was trying to protect people while also

like he was there to promote his beverage like he wasn't set up for this and you know he's supposed to be the most well-trained media man out there. And so I was just so confused by it that I knew there had to be repercussions. I don't know if I thought he should get fired. And I still to this day, don't know if he did. I think he stepped aside. No, no way. No way. No. There's no way he stepped aside. Wait. So that was a lie, the headline, I believe, to headline? Why did he step aside? He, up until the moment that was announced, you know, he was so, this is my interpretation of everything. We all knew ahead

of time because of spoilers that that problematic, not, I want to say she's a problematic chick. That girl that had the problematic incident in the past was the one that he chose. Yeah. We knew that. He knew that, even though it hadn't aired yet.

So I think in his mind, he just wanted to protect the show because he's been with it from the beginning. He was, he's like a father. And sometimes that clouds your judgment. If you view an attack of your child, which is the show, not even that

girl. That girl is a pawn. The show is his child. He was trying to protect the show, but in doing so, he let his hurt cloud his judgment and he misspoke. But as you said, I don't think,

I mean, I can't say if he's a racist person or anything like that, but I don't think he had any negative intentions. I think he just did not, he got caught up in the moment. He perceived it as an attack on this thing that made his career that he is an executive producer of as well and totally mishandled things. So he'd released a few statements after that. He did the interview with Michael Strayhan. There's no way he voluntarily left the show is my interpretation. Your

finger is on the pulse. You know, your audience is Bachelor Nation. Is there a consensus amongst the fans of the show? Do the fans think he should have stayed or left? You know what? I think it's pretty split, but I know a lot of people who think he should have stayed because not only did he make a mistake, he also has been working his ass off trying to learn more and better himself. It's not like he was like, oh, fuck that. Like, I didn't do anything wrong. Like, he knows he's been doing his work nonstop. It really shook him because like you said, this show is his child and he put so much energy and passion and everything, his heart and soul into it. So I think there's a lot of people out there. And that's why it's hard to step into this position because I don't think he's

replaceable. I don't think Chris Harrison is replaceable as a host. I think we just bring a unique new perspective to the show. And I will never think that he's replaceable. So the whole thing was just really unfortunate and obviously I'm friends with Rachel Lindsay who did the interview and so I was like you know to hear him say this to her was really hurtful and everything that just happened it was just so unfortunate and I think everything you said was really right about how that went down okay so if you guys know me which I feel like you do at this point then you know that if I'm being honest I do that every time I say that I mean I do my best but I can often have some little accidents happen throughout the day I'm also

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sad in me that we've become this culture that's so quick to cancel people. Mm-hmm. Like,

even Nick Cannon, right? Like Nick Cannon had his TV show on MTV Wilden out taken away from him because of some hurtful things that he said,

I'm not taking away from the hurt that his words caused, but I think that we should be counsel culture, as he said, not cancel culture. Like, let's educate people and give them an opportunity to redeem themselves and be better and not, like, just fire somebody. Like, it's just, that shouldn't be the first course of action, I think. What about Jamie Spears? would you cancel him?

No. And he already agreed to step down. Mm-hmm. But, and I don't care if I get crap for this, at the moment, back in 2007, I do think that he did what needed to be done to help free his daughter of the leeches that were sucking her dry,

that were not helping her suburb. or just her health and prevented a potentially untimely demise, you know, like she may have ended up dead if her dad did not intervene. We, the public, want answers. We want to know everything, but do we need to know everything? Do we need to understand the minutia of everything that Brittany's been dealing with with regards to her specific mental health issues or any. addiction issues that she may have had.

We don't need to know. It's not our business. What we do need to know and believe, I think, is what Brittany has said in court. Yep. What the other conservator has said and what her doctors have said. And all three of those groups, Brittany, her other conservator, Sydney Montgomery, I believe is her name or I forget the name of the other conservator, Jody Montgomery. That's it.

What Brittany, what Jody Montgomery, and what her doctors have told the court is it is not in her best interest anymore for her father to remain as conservator. Right. She's got a new lawyer, thankfully. She should have been able, I think, to have hired a lawyer a long time ago. Yeah. And this lawyer is really advocating much better on her behalf than her other court-appointed lawyer of over a decade was. Yeah, I just, I want Brittany to be happy and I think she should be able to make her mistakes. Yeah, I heard you say in that interview, I watched your, or it wasn't an interview.

It was just a 20 minute video that you did. I think maybe it was an Instagram live. She's earned that money. If she wants to have a drink, if she wants to go shopping and gamble it all away, yeah. Gamble, you know, like that is her money that she has earned. But my question is, so many people have mental illnesses. And most of them are not under conservatorships. Right.

Yes, that was my question. So why is Brittany? Like you said 30 seconds ago, because of the money. I think. Yeah. Because of the money. And also because she's a woman. I don't know the statistics, but if I had to give you an educated guess,

I would say that there are more women under conservators. than there are men. I'm not going to mention names, but I know somebody who was trying to get a 19-year-old male placed under a conservatorship recently

because that kid started doing drugs, ended up being raped. Wow. Is now doing gay pornography, even though he's not gay. But he's doing that for money and ended up homeless for a while.

So the parents went to court to try to get that 19-year-old placed under a conservatorship. And the judge said, if he wants to be homeless, if he wants to do drugs, that's his choice. Wow. Yeah, that's interesting. That's interesting. And how long has she been under the conservatorship? 13 years. Holy shit.

And is that when the free Brittany movement started? No, it only started, I think, about 2019. Wow. You know, over a decade of her being in a conservatorship. Right. I think what maybe triggered everything was this crazy anonymous phone call to a random podcast that was about Brittany. It wasn't that random. It was just like not any known people.

Yeah. These two women, a comedian and some other person, started a podcast about Brittany's Instagram because they were fascinated by Britney's Instagram. And then an alleged person that worked at the law firm

called in and gave information. And after that, that's what that is what created the free Britney movement because everybody then started asking questions and, you know, is what this person said true? What's really going on? Is Brittany not happy?

And all of these really important things to discuss that weren't discussed as much before because on the outside, it seemed like she was content with how things were going. She had a Vegas residency for about five years. She was still working and doing things, but now we've heard from her that she's been miserable and forced to do things that she didn't want to do. And it's really sad. It is sad.

And I like that you always own up to your mistakes if you feel like you've done something wrong i know back in the day you have said that you were you know part of the frenzy media frenzy of i was i was part of the problem right but now you've learned a lot over your years of being in this business and i know you're you know you love brittany and so what was it that shifted for you to now you know because at the beginning you're like i do see that and i understand your point of you know she needed some sort of help there and protection um and now what has shifted for you to be emailing her an apology letter and, you know, really rallying behind her. A few things.

I think one is growing up, having more understanding and empathy, compassion. Not everybody does that. Even today, literally minutes before I started this lovely chat with you, I saw a tweet that Megan Kelly put out, the fired Fox News host. Yeah. Now, she didn't, she wasn't fired. She quit and went to NBC. The fired NBC host. There we go.

She was tweeting about something that's going on at the U.S. Open, the tennis tournament. The U.S. Open is creating some safe spaces or one safe space this year, a quiet room or I think actually a few

quiet rooms for struggling tennis players, for those that need a timeout, that need quiet, that are maybe having a mental health moment. And Megan Kelly shared a news article about that and wrote, Good Lord, please never let the snowflakes who need this sign up for our military. Well, actually, people in our military need quiet rooms and intense mental health help. Yeah. Like at first, like the very beginning with Brittany. And listen, like you, I'm always honest. I don't think I was wrong necessarily.

At the beginning, I thought, oh, boy, she's parting a lot. And as her dad said this week, he said something along the lines of, if people only knew the severity of her mental health and addiction issues, the world would be congratulating me for the job well done that I've done. And that might be true. I don't know. But when everything first started with Brittany, I just thought she was doing a lot of drugs and was out of control. But now that I'm an old man, I realize, okay, yeah, even if that was true, why is somebody doing a lot of drugs?

Right. Because things are not well. Right. Because she was self-medicating because she needed an escape. It wasn't just, oh, I want a party. There was a lot more underneath that. And some people have speculated it might have been postpartial. depression, as well as mental health issues.

You know, I did an interview for a documentary recently, and I'm not perfect. Sometimes I can catch myself slipping into my old ways, a phrase that I used to use a lot that I took out of my system, I said in this documentary interview about somebody, I said, oh, that person used to be a hot mess. And I'm like, wait, no, no, wait, wait, no, I shouldn't say that. No, I'm sorry. And I instantly realized, ooh, that's old me speaking for a moment because I used to speak about that person so much that way in the past.

Instead of saying somebody is a hot mess, you could say, God, they're really struggling. They're going through a lot right now because words matter. How we talk about people and how we talk about things matter. And whatever people think about me, it is earned. whether negative or positive. And I've given up hoping that people could see me for who I am today. Because I believe that the overwhelming majority of people only think of me as the old version of who I am, that person in 2007. And, you know, I believe that even if I gave a hundred percent of,

of the money that I have in the bank to charity. Some people would be like, well, that's nice, but he's still a D-bag. That's nice, but that doesn't erase or fix or make better what he did in the past. Yeah. Like, I almost feel like there's no winning. So I'm not trying to win. I literally am just trying to live, learn, and be a better version of myself. Yeah.

And I think you know, of course, we care and don't care what other people think. But as long as you know, you've grown. so much, even from what I can see on Instagram, like you're such a good father and you've learned so much about like the way you treat people, talk to people, the way you talk to yourself. I've just seen that over social media and I

think it's incredible that, you know, after all of these years, you're still able to be honest with yourself and talk about depression or talk about mistakes or talk about how you're just at the end of the day trying to evolve into a better person all the time. That's always who I've been.

You know, I think that's one of the reasons that I was able to achieve success early on because I was saying it, how I saw it, I was real, and I did things differently, and I've evolved and I've grown and I've matured, but I have no interest in putting on a filtered, curated, fake life. You know, like, I think 17 years later,

one of the reasons I'm still here is because I have this connection with a small group, of people that is authentic, that they're like my family, which my, my podcast co-host makes fun of me for that. He's like, they're losers. You're a loser for viewing these people like your family. And then I just, yeah, and I'm like, just, fuck you. You're an asshole. Do you think Brittany saw your apology email? Because you have her personal email, right? I emailed it to somebody close to her. Yeah.

I don't think anybody has her personal email. Yeah, maybe she doesn't have one. I was told that she did read it. Yeah. But I could have been lied to. I don't know. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Let's, it probably was just nice for you to write it out. And then, you know, if she did see it, that's amazing. I feel like because of her Instagram, it's so mysterious. And do you think, It's just Britney being Britney, or do you think there's really cryptic messages in her Instagram posts and stories?

I definitely think that there's all of that happening. There's cryptic messages. It's Britney bring Britney, which means Brittany has been an entertainer since she was like six years old. Yeah, yeah. Not all of them. You know, you've talked about sometimes getting anxious if you're recognized in public, but you're an entertainer. many to most love attention. Even you love attention, all right?

So sometimes you might post like just an attention getting thing just because you want to, you know it'll get attention and you're going to do it. And it makes you get a little high off of that. Brittany does that as well. Like, you know, by reposting the same things over and over again or the song choices sometimes or explicitly what she writes, all of that is. play and if she wants to do whatever let her do it like yeah it's weird that a lot of the times though some of the people that are the most critical are allegedly her biggest fans

like always yeah stop criticizing her about how she's dancing like let her dance like oh she's not well look at how she's dancing or or or look at her eye makeup or whatever like I know. Like, let her just, she's not always going to be done up. Like, let her be. Jesus. I know. Oh, my gosh, the eye makeup.

Everybody always has something to say about the eye makeup. It's just like nobody's helping the situation. I hope her boyfriend is helping the situation. I like to think he is. Yeah. Even if he does have ulterior motives, I've said this, okay? Better for her to be with somebody that she likes. that treats her well, even if he's using her,

then to be alone, I think, especially because she doesn't really have many people in her life. She's expressed betrayal from not just her father, but her entire family. She feels screwed over by her entire family. And then her kids, unfortunately, she's not able to be with them all the time or even most of the time.

Kevin Federline has the overwhelming amount of custody. I could be wrong, but last I heard he had about 70% custody of the kids and she's got them 30% of the time. And how much has he impressed you? Because I thought KFed was just going to go, you know, I always thought of him as a certain way and I realized that maybe he is

prioritizing being a dad and a good human and that's awesome or he could be quiet because he had to sign something that says he can't speak out he's probably had to sign a lot of things that's very true well those kids I don't think have signed anything I look his one what is the one kid that he'll just be like yeah my grandpa is a dick yeah yeah he tried but then that social media account got cut off right right when when brittney is quote unquote free what do you think she's going to do i think she'll have another child that's the first thing that she wants to do yeah yeah do you think she'll do ever do like an opra barbara walters like ever like tell all or anything like that do you think she'll sue people like do you think she's just going to try and

live her life freely instead i don't know i think she will sue her father her lawyer has pretty much said that's going to happen. And she expressed that she wanted that to happen as well when she testified in court in June. I think she'll have a child. And she's also said that she does want to share her story. Yeah. I don't see that happening quickly, though. Right.

I think a lot of her decisions right now are around her children. and after they're of legal age, after they're 18, she might then say, oh, I'm going to lay it all out there then. Right. But I think her children still being minors is a factor in a lot of her life and a lot of her decisions. Yeah, I agree. I think they're 13 and 14. So it's not much longer that they're going to be teenagers.

Yeah. Yeah. And how long, I don't even know this. Is there like a length of the conservatorship or is it just till somebody decides she's well enough to not be under that? That's a great question. I mean, she's been in it for 13 years. It's hard and not a quick process to end the conservatorship, but that is what is going to hopefully happen. The judge will consult with the doctors and we'll see.

I mean, the next court hearing is not scheduled for over a month from now. September 29th is the next one. Yeah. Her lawyer was trying to get that expedited and was hoping that they could have a hearing this month, but the judge said no. So like I said, it's not going to be anything quick. And I don't even know, you know, the next hearing, it'll just probably be, okay, her father's officially stepping down.

This is the new conservator. And then another hearing in three months or however long. So true. It's not a quick process. It drags on, sadly. Do you think that she's teasing us with the project Rose? Or do you think that's really something? I think it's just her channeling frustration with creativity.

You know, also recently she was painting, which is great, you know? Yeah. She's got a lot of time on her hands. Yeah. And she, I feel like, yeah, I feel like she is very creative and, like, obviously trying to just find herself again. during this time and obviously something like so many people struggle with mental illnesses but when you're just put into basically a jail it's just going to be worse and you don't know what medication they're putting her on there's so many factors that just seems so heartbreaking and I think

you know so many of us just want her to be happy and when she came out and said she wasn't and that she had lied to all of us and that she cries every day I was like depressed that whole day thinking of her. It was shocking to hear her in her own words because. Yes. And composed, like, in a way. More than composed. She was fired up.

Yeah. And she was hurt. She was really hurt. You know, up until that point, you know, people could still say, oh, I don't know. I'm not sure. I don't believe this or that. But then you hear her in her own words and there's no denying, you know. I think everybody could agree that even if it was set up with good intentions,

it's not functioning well anymore, this conservatorship. And I could be concerned that, you know, if she felt like I have no reason to live because I'm living in jail every day, you know, something tragic could happen. And the same thing, something tragic could happen on the other side of the spectrum if she, if she, you know, doesn't. whatever. Yeah, such a, it's complicated and sad. It's so complicated and just such a, you know, topic of our, like, just through all this

pandemic, I feel like people really focus on what's happening with Brittany. And it's just, it's so sad and it's fascinating at the same time. And you just wish there's more you could do or know. And like you said, maybe we don't need to know all of it. So it's a hard one to navigate. And before I let you go, I want to know if there's any other celebrity. that you had for me. Like I saw the Nirvana thing

with the, what is it? The boy was on the album cover. Yeah. Well, he's not a boy anymore. He's a 25 year old, I believe. So he, because we all know that iconic Nirvana album cover where this little baby is naked, what do you think about him suing now because of that?

Because that obviously was his parents' choice. Yeah, I think it's smart. It reminds me of Colton Underwood. Yeah. Let me explain to you why. Unfortunately. Perez Hilton, because I've been around the block, I've done it all, I've experienced it all, and I am very intimately familiar with the legal system in the United States of America.

So what probably happened, putting my expert hat on, is this dude who was a baby when he was photographed, his little peen was showing out, he's suing not just Nirvana, but he's suing the photographer and Courtney Love as well. That's, you know, the remaining members are Dave Grohl and Chris Nova Seleck. He probably found a lawyer that is working pro bono and getting a cut on commission, on contingency, really. So, you know, like, let's say he's not going to get this, but like, let's say he gets $100 million. The lawyer says, okay, I'll get 50%. You get 50%. That way he can afford to get this lawyer because he's not paying anything for it. So then the estate says, all right, fine, we've got this lawsuit, we'll give him a realistic number, we'll give him $50 or $100,000 to make this problem go away because giving that guy $50 or $100,000 is cheaper than all of the legal bills they would incur to fight this in court.

Right. So it sucks. You know, the legal system works two ways in the United States. you either are the first person to sue and that gives you a big advantage or you have FU money and you can be like, well, screw it. I've got FU money.

I'm going to fight this all the way, you know, through the whole process that'll take three or four years. That's a good question. How many times have people tried to sue you? You can read all about it in my memoir that came out last year. Great answer.

Tell us about it. Oh, God. Well, that came out last year. You know, I am the original influencer, Caitlin. Before that word even existed, there was me. I agree. I agree. And I've lived quite a life.

I almost wish that I had written my memoir this year because every year I feel like I learn more about myself and my past. My book came out in October of last year, but I didn't get back into therapy. actually until December of last year. Interesting. Because last year, hello, was hard for most of us. Maybe if you're one of the privileged few who handled COVID very well,

but it was hard for me as a single father of three with my kids at home and my mother who is very high risk with a lot of health issues. It was a lot. So in December, I had that very public meltdown when I got banned from TikTok and

it really wasn't even about getting banned from TikTok. No. It was something to care. Yeah, it was everything else that was going on. So now I've been in therapy since December of last year and I realized so much more about even why I started and

why I was doing the things that I did and sounds cliched and stupid, but like a lot of the things in our life stemmed from our childhood. Of course. And my my dad died suddenly when I was 14 years old, seven days after my grandfather died, who lived with us. So my grandfather and I were very close. So it felt like my whole world was turned upside down. And I won't go into like a whole long therapy rant, but it's been very helpful. Yeah. And CBD has been very helpful for me as well. I discovered it last year. 2020, I was like, I've got to try everything.

So I like to be honest, I hit up my manager and I'm like, do you know any CBD brands that will send me some free CBD? Because I like free. Or so I'm with you on that. Yeah. So then I started trying a bunch and I'm like, I don't feel anything. And then I tried this one that really was the best. And I'm like, oh my God, this CBD is blown my mind. I need to do something with them.

So then I reached out to that company and we started this new brand together and made some tweaks to. changed it a bit. And I'm so proud of it because it really works. Mytrut10.com. If you've never tried CBD, ours to try it out just 10 bucks. Can't be that price. Very affordable. I know. A lot of CBD. Most is really expensive. Yeah. If you sign up for, I like to be honest also, we can offer that because it's a subscription model, kind of like those food companies that are a subscription model and all of that jazz. But the reason they do that is because if they give you a subscription, they can lower their cost of everything. You should try

a subscription model too for your wine. Do you do that? We have a wine club. So yeah, you get like perks of if you you get free shipping, you get like Zoom parties with me, we'll drink wine together and like first access to certain

things. So yeah, it's the way to go. That's awesome. We should do a cross over somehow. I could come on your Zoom party and I could talk about I could talk about my CVD. That would be perfect. Yeah. Okay, you're my next guest.

We have a wine club, I think, happening either end of September or October. So you can be a special guest. All right. I'm down. Oh, that's perfect. Okay, great. Well, I can't wait to try the CBD. And you should just write another part two of your book with what you've learned since.

That's genius. Or maybe, like, I want to manifest either a docu-series or a documentary and just, just tell it in a different way, tell it better. And I think I need American partners. I love my memoir, but I had these co-authors that were from Sweden. And I think some things might have been lost in translation. Yeah, that can happen. So, yeah, I think I want to try.

I would love, if anybody listening is interested, hit me up. Let's make it happen. I could see you doing a documentary. I could see that happening. or the big the new trend is like a three part four part five part docu series like what demi levato did that or like you know the woody allen and me a pharaoh one or i was a guest on one for showtime that just started airing called gossip um so yeah any at the end of the day i got three kids and i just got to keep hustling so i'm down for whatever Absolutely. Well, I love watching your stories with you and the kids and getting all the hot goss. It's so fun. It's a good mix of both worlds. So before I let you go, I need one confession from you, and then you're free. All right. I don't think I told you this last time, but if I did, it might be even sadder now and more embarrassing. That you made out with John Mayer?

No. But my confession is, it is now the fall of, it's almost, you know, it's practically, kids are back in school. I'm just going to say summer's over. It's the fall of 2021. Yeah. I have not had sex since February of 2016. Oh. Over five years.

Not by choice. Not by choice. Well, I mean. I mean, the pandemic didn't help anything. True, but I'm vaccinated now. I'm fully vaccinated. And I'm willing to... If you're vaxed and waxed, get on these dating apps.

I don't want to do that. Oh, you don't? Well, I told my therapist that I'll try that next year. Okay. I'll give it a try. Reluctant. I don't... It's just so much, so much work.

It's such a time suck being on those apps. It is a time suck. I've never been on them, but I know because my friends have, it is a huge time suck. But are you the kind of person that needs to feel something to have sex? Or can you just have sex to have sex? I can just have sex, but like, I need, like, like. You need to feel something. Like, I can't, I need to see the person.

You're not a gay, you're younger than me and you're not a gay man. But back of the day, in New York City, where I went to college, it was kind of like the end of an era. It was the last few years where they still had dark rooms in a lot of bars and clubs. And in these dark rooms, people would go and hook up anonymously with other people. They don't do that anymore. I think it might be illegal now. That never interested me. I don't want to hook up with somebody in a dark room where I can't see them.

I was like, of course you need to see them. That's how sex works. But okay, not in dark rooms. Got it. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I'm all for like a one night stand or something like that. But, you know, I don't know, it's harder also, like, if you're not at a bar, like, if you're not drinking and, you know, that leads to flirtation.

That's the best, though. Like, when you just meet somebody naturally and you just start talking and then things evolve. That's so true. I was, I actually felt bad. I don't know. Do you watch Bachelor in Paradise? That's another time sucking thing, but. No, I don't.

Okay. So on the other night on the episode, her name was Marissa and she was speaking about how she never goes on date. and she's like, you know, I've done mini golf, but like nobody's ever taking me for a nice dinner. But then once she got to dinner, she was talking about how like, she's like, oh, I'm very sexual. Like the other girls were calling her a man eater. And I had said something on my last podcast. I was like, oh, does she just not go on date? She just goes straight to the bedroom.

And then what happened was she ended up allegedly having sex on Bachelor in Paradise. And people were hating on her for it. So I wanted to give her a shout out and be like, your body, your choice. If you wanted to have sex with him in that safe environment, and you were both into it, get it, girl. So there you go. Marissa, get it. I'm very sex positive.

Get it. Same. Get it if you want it. If you don't want it, don't get it. That's at the end of the day. It's your body. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast today. I love talking to you.

It's so fun. Oh, thank you. I love talking to you as well. And congratulations on everything you've got going on from hosting to your wine club to your impending marriage and your move somewhere. Who knows? Yeah, we'll see. Maybe we'll be neighbors one day. But until then, I'll send you a little message about being on the wine club because that'll be so fun. People would love that and they'd have so many questions for you. I'm down. We're doing it. You heard it here first. Awesome. Okay. Thank you so much. And everybody go by CBD and his memoir.

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