Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Rachel Lindsay

Episode Date: November 13, 2018

This week Kaitlyn sits down with fellow Bachelorette alum Rachel Lindsay to discuss life as a lead on the show, her journey after the show and working for ESPN, and how they both feel about Colton Underwood as the next Bachelor. Blink - Visit www.BlinkForHome.com/OFFTHEVINE Lightbox Jewelry - Go to www.LightboxJewelry.com/VINE RevTown - Check them out at www.RevTownUSA.com/Kaitlyn See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Lots of wine. Get ready to shake things up. Here's Caitlin. Welcome to Off the Vine. I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow. And today on the podcast, we have former bachelorette. Rachel Lindsay, is your last name, Lindsay? Yes.

I always wondered that and then I was like trying to like Google it and I'm like I should know this and I'm like no it is I'm not Jackstone this is my birth name That's what I was thinking I'm like it I don't know because I've never really like thought about it or looked it and I'm like maybe she likes going by Rachel Lindsay and like not and then I googled it today I'm like don't pretty sure that's her last name yeah that's my name two first names I love it I actually I'm the exception to the rule is that a thing you can't trust that's what they say what yeah I didn't know that was a thing you can't trust people have two first names That's what they say. Oh, is that? You can trust me. I trust you. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm going to pour you some wine, too. I'm going to pour myself a little more white. How's yours doing? It's ready for a refill. Yeah, it's ready for a refill. We were really chatting before the podcast started off the record. Yeah.

We went there. We went there. And we'll continue to go there. But you know what? With stuff you want to hear, it was probably boring to you and juicy to us. That's right. There you go. Oh, hey, what am I getting crazy?

Yeah. This is what happens when we do this before dinner, not after our stomachs are filled with food. Okay, so finally got you on the podcast. I've been wanting to do this for a while now. No, seriously. And I'm glad it's in person. This is the only way to do it. I can't do over the phones.

We have to let people know. I am here sitting in the flesh. Beautiful home. So beautiful. I love doing podcasts here. Like, well, it's like I've seen it on Instagram and I'm like, I'm finally here, you guys. I know. You're in it.

And doesn't it smell good? Yeah, so good. Oh, yeah, that's, I need that wine today. I need it. Okay, you're freaking killing it, which we were talking about killing it. Thank you. But we were saying this earlier. And I think it's, I think a big part of people coming out of the show is everyone tries to just be this brand.

And I think everybody tries to do like, oh, I'm going to do these ads and I'm just going to like, you know, really hang on to the bachelor thing. And I think you've done such a good job of coming out of it. and dominating this man's world and just being this badass that you are. And I think that's because you were so true to yourself this whole time and you didn't care. You're like, love me or hate me. People aren't going to love me. But it's going to get me to where I want to be.

Yeah. And thank you so much for that great introduction. I mean every word. And I appreciate that. I mean, you know, coming in, because I originally said no to Bachelorette. So coming in, I thought, okay, if I'm going to do this, I'm going to do it my way. and I'm going to be myself completely because I want to have no regrets at the end of the day.

Wait, you said no originally? What? Like, I mean, it was like a quick no. But I said, I did the same thing. I was like, yeah, no. Okay, yeah, yeah. Well, I thought that they were just telling me to make me feel better because they told me in Finland,

like Nick had broken up with me two days or maybe even a day before. And they told you, they said, what do you think about being the bachelorette? And I said, you guys. And I'm like, you just try to make me feel good. And they said, no, think about it. I said, no, I think I'm kind of like done with this.

Yeah. They said, go home, think about it. And I did. And I came back pretty quickly. Because that's all you need. Because here's the thing. You get so wrapped up and you probably thought you were in love or something. And then you get home and you realize, whoa, why am I over it this quick?

You're like, oh, because I was wrapped up. And so you had time to like, okay, I got dumped. I processed that. Or did you dump him or did he dump you? No, he left me. Okay. Well, that's usually how it goes. But I never, I can't remember.

Actually, I didn't watch that season. but yeah I'm like it yeah it takes a couple days for you to be like oh wait no it's just in the moment with the show and actually yeah I will be the bachelor's yeah and then for me I was like I knew I was going to be the first black lead and I was like do I want that pressure do I want to do it that way that's a beautiful thing well that's how I started to look at yeah because my mom was like oh god Rachel please don't be the bachelor at really it's just going to be so much scrutiny and I thought you know what it's bigger than me got to do it got to say yes and I said who knows what could happen yeah you know and obviously it worked out right but then for me coming in I knew I didn't watch the seasons before me right so I'd only seen bins getting ready to go on next season so I didn't compare myself to anyone yeah because and I was just like I'm just going to be myself which I think worked it's it's been a gift and a curse yes but at the end of the day I'm happy that I'm myself and then to go with what you were saying about being in a man's world it's like being a lawyer I came from that oh that's true so I was probably an easier transition yeah You're like, I'm going to prove myself and work my ass off because I can do what they can do.

Absolutely. What was hard was The Bachelorette. That was different. That was a good point. That was me softening myself and really having to put my emotions out there when I come from a world where it's like, you don't cry. You don't show any type of emotion because you don't want to be stereotyped. Right. So I really put myself out there.

Yeah, because in your profession, you're like, it's almost like you can get into character and you're confident in what you're doing. You went to school for it. You know what's up. You can work it. You go into The Bachelor at Blind, like you've never watched it before. You're just trying to be yourself and you're like, well, shit, this is, this is hard. This is hard. It's like, you want me to be vulnerable?

No, I know the definition of that word, but you want me to actually be that. I don't know. I always say this. Nobody, if you ask anybody like, what's the best quality about yourself? Nobody's going to say, I'm really vulnerable. I really enjoy being vulnerable. No. Nobody.

No. It's the hardest thing for people to be. And especially when you have cameras around. you then you're dating multiple men right and you're just supposed to be this like you know like comfortable vulnerable like and you're the lead too so you can like get away with it on bachelor like being a contestant you can get away with being like I'm not vulnerable I can't open up because people love that yeah they can make you you know open up by the end but as the lead you have to be vulnerable in order to make them feel comfortable and open up and it's it's actually

a very tricky thing which in the end is actually it's a beautiful thing to It's therapeutic. It really is. But you hit the Nell on the head. You said you have to make them be vulnerable. And I think people forget that. Yes. You can't just be it.

You've got to make the men open up. Yes. You have to. It's the only way. And it really is in a very short amount of time. And to make men open up like that is so one challenging, but two to hang on to like to have them be that after the show. Like, you know, it's a very manipulated, fabricated world.

and it's like you you only have one two options you have two options you are vulnerable and you open up and you get there or you go home yeah and so for guys they're competitive yep guys want to get to the end they want to win they want to win that prize which is the bachelorette right and i think it's different for girls but i think that's what guys mentality is going through the show and then they get to the end and they win and then all of a sudden they're like well i don't have to be that anymore that's the scary thing i know it's like who's there for the And then who's there really for you? Right.

And like even if I mean, and they could be there for both. And it could just, you know, fill their ego that they got to the end. But then afterwards, it's like you've got to still like now that's your time to evolve and grow together. And if you can't open up and be that, well, that was false advertisement, my friend. And nobody likes a liar. It's so true. But yeah, it is.

It's so hard for anybody to understand because even I'm sure for you, And for me and I watch the show, going into it, I'm like, this is going to be so fun dating that many dudes. Like, you kidding me? You're like, they all came here for me. Oh, yeah. And you run the show. And then you're like, shit, I am a mess.

No, it's like, a hot mess. Halfway through it. It's like, shit got real. Oh, halfway for you. It was like, week two for me. It was halfway for me. That's so nice. It was halfway and I was like, oh, my gosh, I'm actually developing feelings from multiple

people. Yeah. I'm actually upset that I have to hurt someone and send them home. Like when I came in, I was like, I don't know you. I'm just going to send you home. Not the case. Yeah. No, no, no.

I remember having such a good relationship with this guy on night one. No, I'm trying to remember his name. I can't remember. Oh, it was Corey. There was two Corries. One was a douchebag and one was this gentleman of a human who had a daughter at home. I actually had such a good connection with him. And he was the sweetest guy.

And I really liked him on night one. so much so that I almost considered giving him the first impression rose but I mean it was so much stronger with Sean at that point that I was like no I have to go there but that's how good it was and I sent him home on week two oh I thought the first time week two he didn't even get a date

he was one of the like three guys that didn't get a date in the first week and I sent him home week two and he was probably so thrown off because I had such a great conversation with him before but I'm like he's not my guy and he's got a daughter at home And I'm like, and it killed me. I actually had, I don't think they showed this. I had to leave the rose ceremony and start crying to Chris Harrison. And he's like, what is wrong?

I'm like, I don't want to send him home. There's always that one. Yeah. For me, it was this guy named Matt, who you never saw at all. And everyone was like, why is she so emotional sending him home? And you're like, it's editing people. He was, well, he was the one who reminded me the most of myself. And so watching how he went through the journey.

Yeah. It reminded me of me. Interesting. And how he held back and then he tried to come through it at the end and it was too late. And I remember telling the producer, I go, when he goes home, I'm going to lose my shit. Yeah. I couldn't even speak. Yeah.

Because your heart broke for him and you were empathetic. Yeah. That's one of the worst qualities to have is the lead is being empath. But it's the best TV. But it's the best TV and that's what they go. I swear they just study you as a person and, you know, of course they do. They have got paperwork and. Yeah, exactly, of like, oh, she's empathetic, put her in, coach, you know, that's what

it is. And then we're fools that are like, tag me in. Yeah, exactly. We're like, mm-hmm, here we go. That put me in, coach. I'm ready for it. No, I'm not, not ready at all. I was like a mess. Like, seriously, night too. I was a mess. Okay, ladies, listen up. The holidays are right around the corner and we all know that one of the most difficult things on the holiday to-do list is finding the perfect gift for the guys in our lives, be it your father, brother, boyfriend, whatever, but this year, I'm here to help you out. Let me introduce to you the new denim startup RevTown jeans at www.com slash Caitlin. RevTown was founded by former Under Armour Guys who spent years building all kinds of amazing,

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That's freaking nuts. It's pretty cool. I'm not going to lie. That's the sickest job title. Like coming out of the world that we came from too, like who can say that? You're the only one in the whole franchise. It was and I really worked hard for it. And I think people forget that because they think, oh, she was the Bachelorette.

That's ABC. Of course she got on ESPN. Yeah. What people don't realize is right after the show I went to ESPN and they were like, we love you. Yeah. But no. your personality is great and we love talking to you but a sports audience doesn't relate to you and what people don't know is my major was sports management and my in law I did sports law

so I was really discouraged and then I was like nope I'm going to invest in myself I'm going to believe in myself agents were turning me down my first reporting job was actually out here in Tennessee yeah in Murfreesboro yeah I was awful I mean it's the most embarrassing thing ever but you did it but I did it And I knew it was bad, but like I picked myself up. I kept going. And then a year later, this happened. So it's like, it's kind of upsetting when people are like, oh, of course you got it.

And I'm like, no, I worked my ass off to get that. That's actually got to be a little bit frustrating because, well, what you just said, you worked your ass off. And you, like, especially in that world, like, you should get so much credit for coming out of that show and getting such a legit spot like that on that kind of, you know, network because that's hard. That's hard to do. And you can attest to this.

What? People don't respect reality TV stars. Everyone thinks, oh, you're on TV. Oh, of course you stay on TV. Reality TV stars have no respect in the industry. None. Because they're like, no credit. They're like, oh, well, you're just going to be gone in like an hour.

Yeah. Yeah. You really have to prove your talent and your craft. And I think people fail to do that. And that's why you don't see everyone go on to do it. Yeah. And I think that could be inspiring to even like, even if you're not in reality TV for like anyone that's listening, that.

You know, it's like you were probably not considered even more so. Like a person coming out of school who works for that like and doesn't go on a TV show and isn't recognizable and doesn't have this platform probably had a better chance than you. Sure. Right. So it's like people want to give up. But I actually think it's crazier that you got it. You know what I mean? Thank you.

Yeah. I mean, it really is. I was told no, not just by ESPN. I went to other networks too. And they were like, no. And then all of a sudden things just started. to come about because you probably built i always say this like i think it's so good that you went to school and i think it's amazing that like people who are i am not the school type school was not for me

but i think social etiquette and like being socially aware and smart is like can get you so far if you're a good person if you can speak to people like right you know if you are socially aware just having building relationships and being a good person i think gets you so far these days. Well, most people can't do that. Most people can't hold a conversation. Which is crazy. It's a dying art. Isn't that nuts, though? I'm not surprised, like, with social media and texting. And it's like, people don't know how to talk to each other anymore. You get, you have, on text, you have so much time to think about a response. And like, same thing with, like, building a dating profile. You know, you can really think about it. You don't just meet somebody, be like,

oh, well, this is who I am. You, like, you craft out the most perfect profile picture and description. And you're like, oh, I'm going to be really funny. And then you have time. to think about it over text and nobody does phone calls anymore and then you meet in person and I think and so many relationships fail these days too because it's like there's that core is like missing that like foundation of just like conversation right which is sad it's so sad okay I keep I've I've almost burped about five times on this microphone do you know how many times I burp on this podcast but you haven't yet so I'm waiting for you to break the eyes well mine's not even a burp mine's like a weird teradactal backwards burp that goes inwards and not outward

You too, it's a bit watery. That's how mine. A bit watery. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not attractive, I'll tell you that. But yeah, I just think it's so, I think you're probably an inspiration to so many females out there, too. Thanks. And it's like it's fucking 2018.

So, like, you should get that, you know, like you obviously deserve it. And they finally saw that. And you're killing it. Well. Do you love it? I do love it because I'm learning every day. And it is the hardest thing I've ever done, radio. Yeah.

Like TV, like I do a show on Amazon Prime with the NFL. Yeah. I'm interviewing. I'm just talking being myself. Yeah. That's like more comes natural. Yeah. But radio is a craft.

And I have so much respect for people that do radio. Yeah. And I mess up every time, but I learn so much every time. Yeah. You know, I'm starting to get comfortable with it. Right. I have a blast. So it's like, think of how far you will come in like five years, though.

Like, you know, you're, oh, you're just going to keep killing it. Aw, thank you. Hopefully everybody thinks like Caitlin. Well, they will. Now, my little vinos who listen, they really, you know, they listen to me. So they will. I wanted to play a game with you. I love games on this.

Okay, good. I live for games. They make me so happy. And I was like, I am not a football guy, okay? I, like, came from Canada where they have the CFL. And I didn't even know what tailgating was. Oh, my gosh. Don't you love it now, though?

Love it. I went to a Patriots tailgate party. I was smoking cigars. I was just getting right. And the people, I mean, That's a real thing. Everybody's your friend at a tailgate. Oh, my gosh. It's that, you know what? Tailgates, people are in the moment. Yeah. People aren't texting. People are cooking and talking and they're all sharing their love of sports and they're having a good time. And there's something to be said about that. The world's problems could be solved at a tailgate. That's funny. You should start a podcast called that and you should podcast from tailgates. Wait, that's smart. Yeah, like tomorrow trademarking. yeah before this comes out because that was a really genius idea um so my game is going to be how dumb

i am at at football god i hope i know your answers okay no it's not even no this is for you to make me look stupid okay i want you to just this is how bad i am okay i want you to just tell me a city that has a football team and i'll try and guess the name of the team okay like i wouldn't even i might know like tennessee titans i know that good job but that's like try me okay i'll just i'm just going to spitball from the time i'm just going to try and come up to something okay okay Dallas Cowboys good job yes my favorite team okay Oakland Raiders you are better than you know what the only reason I know that is because I used to like their gear and I used to wear like raiders hats and like they're great colors yeah okay okay Charlotte no it's not Charlottes that's where they are

Carolina oh um Carolina horsesies I'm gonna give you one more try it is an animal oh okay it is an animal um it's black um chargers is that a horse that's a team actually oh sandy egg well now they're the los angeles chargers oh see i need some yeah okay what is it cougars panthers panthers you know what you weren't far off okay here's an easy one okay Miami dolphins yeah i actually really surprised it myself okay do a couple more now i feel like I'm good Minnesota Mallards Okay

It's not alliteration Minnesota Oh Vikings Yes Oh my God Okay wait I'm surprising myself See everyone knows a little bit of sports Okay Arizona

We hate them Oh We both have a hate to us Arizona assholes Well that too but we hate this I don't even know to call it an animal

but we both hate these we do oh birds we both hate them so it's a type of bird Arizona eagles but there isn't eagles

can you imagine the Arizona pigeons the Arizona sparrows red they're red the Arizona red birds

Cardinals Cardinals I was like Arizona Robbins You're like got it Red birds They're red Perfect

Okay wait Two more Two more Kansas City Kansas City Scallywagers You're kind of not Yoners

Yoners Oh Chiefs There you go Oh when you said scallywag i thought you were going to say scalping for some reason i was like okay we're going somewhere we're going somewhere i don't even know what's chiefs how did scaliway is that even a word yeah scally wag is i've never i don't think i've ever that i don't think that words ever come

out of my mouth until right now i don't even know for some reason you think kansas city and scallywags scallywags shout out to all your kansas city listeners those scallywags i'm going to have so many Kansas like girls being like from your former skelly bags that's great you're starting a movement last one last one okay let me make this a good one one that I won't get okay no I'm pretty sure I've named all the ones I would get

um let's go with Cleveland Cleveland Dogs okay they are a color oh Cleveland blues that is what you have if you live in Cleveland

Yeah, the Cleveland Blues. Oh, Browns. There you go. Oh, I did know that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They have like a bad track record, right? Yeah, but they're doing better because they've actually won two games this season as opposed to going 600 days without winning a game.

So they're bad. Yeah, they just fired their head coach today. Oh. Oh, you're so knowledgeable. You're so good, you're in the right industry. You know that? So, okay, the only NFL game I've ever been to was Dallas Cowboys. That a girl.

And it was Chris Harrison hooked it up and we got like to go on the field and everything because that's Sean's favorite team. And so that's what we did. Was it at the new stadium? Yes. So nice. Yeah. We went with Sean and Catherine actually and we had the best time. I've never met Sean Lowe. I've met Catherine, but I've never met Chathar.

Catherine is one of my favorite people. Like she is just a little firecracker and she's so funny and quirky and I just love her. And Sean's like, Sean's actually really funny on Twitter. Yeah. This is like back to like 10. thing we're talking about we have time to think about it and write it out got so funny on Twitter and in person he's just the sweetest but yeah I'm always like give me your one-liners no I've only oh see they're almost perfect I've only met him once I think at that no I've met him

a couple times they're just I just love their little I hear great things about them I'm like that that's that's the true you know love story out of that that world why here's a dig because they got a TV wedding oh it's so true yeah yeah yeah Tristan Ryan Give us a TV wedding. We'll live happily ever after, too. Yeah, no shit, because it's a big paycheck. Yeah, thank you. We'll take that and run with it.

Have a family. Yeah. Thanks. Actually, yeah. Why are they not doing Bachelor weddings anymore, but they're all about Bachelor and Paradise weddings? Okay, so here's my thing. And this is kind of what I'm told. There's so many.

By a reliable source? Well, who can you really trust when it comes to this? No one. It's like they're friends, but they also have a job to do. You have to learn to separate the two. And their jobs are priority. Yeah. Listen, I get it.

It's what puts food on the table. Yeah. So there's so many engaged couples and weddings don't do well in the ratings. They don't? Mm-mm. And I've heard that from multiple people. They don't do well. So it's like if The Bachelor gets six, seven million people, a wedding is going to get half that.

So why would they do it for the other ones and like give them a fat paycheck too? So I feel like they're like, and I keep pairing the paycheck thing. is a myth like it started out high back in the day with Ryan and Tristan because they had like 30 million people watching it yeah and now it's like single digits right so Sean and Catherine he was the first guy yeah um jaden tanner first paradise right couple and then it's like I think they would do a paradise wedding for anyone yeah it's just that's not what because they're like yeah but why I think it's like a part of a date it's inexpensive Because, like, Jade and Tanner's wedding was, from what I'm told, just, like, magnificent.

Were you there? It was, yeah, it was pretty beautiful. Yeah. Didn't Sill perform? Yes. I mean, come on. Kissed by a rose. I was like, are you shitting me right now?

At the same time, it was very produced. Like, Jade was about to come down the aisle and they had to, like, cut. And, like, people were running around. And then they had to, like, strip stuff down the aisle and, like, get people in different positions. We were all freezing our asses off. But we had to sit there for. her poor like grandparents were just like frozen but they had to sit there because they had to get the cameras right and like so it there were like it was such a beautiful wedding and when it all was happening I was like crying and it was beautiful and I love love I love weddings and I was like okay this is amazing but the in-between's like the the production side of it and they're trying to you know they would have like Nick was miced and they'd be like Sean go talk to Nick like you know like it was and then Jared and Ashley at that time were nothing. and Ashley was in love with him and he was not having it and they'd pin them together and like

it was so produced at the same time because they're still trying to make a show out of it that it kind of took away from the beauty but I mean it was a stunning wedding um who's Mindy Weiss that does the wedding she's freaking incredible um and so it was I mean just beautiful and Tanner and jade are just so cute so it was also very nice but yeah it's it kind of took away a little bit of the romance and that's what and i was told that too if you do a wedding you're going to want to have something on your own yeah so i think it's kind of nice to not have a tv wedding because i never wanted a big engagement yeah i always wanted it to be private i would watch people get publicly engaged and i thought ew i never want that for myself and then i did it right so to have

a more private wedding yeah see i would have felt the same way say a private like close friends and family and then you know if the paycheck was right hell yeah do a big tv wedding and that's the motivating factor right so that's interesting well whatever yeah so it's like we want to get married so it's like that's not that's not but it's like if i'm going to sacrifice what i want yeah at least let me get paid for it so it's like if i'm not then no no tv wedding we'll do it our way and this is also another thing that people used to always say to us is like it like why aren't you getting well you are so busy too like how would you even start to plan a wedding when you're just starting to launch your career i'm lit that's exactly what i tell people i'm talking to a wedding

planner tomorrow for the first time oh that's so nice i know i'm excited i haven't talked about that at all and i i mean like i feel bad because we were so eager and it's like i truly wanted to be married by december this year but i made no efforts towards it because i don't have time yeah and it's like once you like you're figuring out yourself you're building your own foundation. Yeah. You get that. And then, you know, your career starts to take off. That's the next step. Like, you're just going in the right order, if anything. We feel married already. Yeah, exactly. You do. It's like, oh, yeah, we're not married. That's another thing, too. Like, you just feel married. You're living together. You know, like, what, it's just, you know, and not to take away anything from

marriage, because I do think it's such a special bond. But, like, you'll get there, you know. Anyone that, like, you know, puts the pressure on bachelor people, if you've, some of those people are wives. It's like, you know how hard it is to plan a wedding. Even if you have a wedding planner, you know, it's, Jade was telling me that. I remember Jade telling me when she was like, just be prepared. Like, it's so much work. Like, there's a lot that goes into wedding planning. Yeah. And I was like, let us not up my alley. Not at all. And I think what's hard for the audience to get is you saw us fall in love in this bubble in this fantasy world. And although that was real, the world that we fell in love with in wasn't. So now we're back in real life. And it's like,

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I will be a practicing attorney forever. So I do still work for my firm. I'm actually supposed to go to trial in a month. Oh, my God. It's looking like it's happening. Oh, my God. So I do practice part time. I have like 15 cases, but the problem is that I'm a litigator so I can plan things around my schedule. But as my career is taking off in broadcasting, it is very hard to stay up to date. And all my free time is law. I do my legal work on planes. I do it in the back of cars.

I do it in hotels. I've seen that on your Instagram. That's crazy. And so it's like I don't have any time for me. I don't have any time to be creative. I don't have any time to become a student of this broadcasting game like I want to. Yeah. And at the end of the day, like I said, I'm always going to be an attorney.

So I'm planning by January 2019, which is a huge step for me to step away from my firm. Oh, wow. And really commit myself to building, you know, like the Rachel Lindsay brand. Yeah. Yeah. Good for you. You know, and work in broadcasting and write. You know, like I used to write all the time. And so it's like I want to get more to happen to that creative space, but then also have time for me and my relationship.

Right. And I think it's, it takes time also for people. trust you off the show like for them to buy what you're selling you know like yeah i think people just think you come off the show and you're just trying to do whatever but i think you need to build that rapport with people like hey i am doing what i love to do and i'm working really hard at it and now that you trust me and you see my relationship working and you see what i'm doing and you're starting to get to know me then you can trust what i'm what i'm putting out there for you yeah absolutely and i think that's so important because i think that'll also come across for what you want to do is if you're

genuinely happy doing what you want to do yeah oh because that's that that's what you're saying you're in the back of cars you were just like cramming it in I'm exhausted yeah I've been having this ongoing joke which it's honestly Caitlin not funny yeah I keep saying they're like how do you do everything you do and I said I'm gonna have a nervous breakdown yeah and I like have this like crazy laugh as you're like having the nervous breakdown I'll save me I'm like having a nervous breakdown that's No, I'm like, we're laughing right now, but I'm like, please take a break for yourself. Because I get people overwork themselves and especially I feel like women in this world, you know, like we have so much to prove and we've got the craziest minds and, like, we're so motivated

and driven and passionate and smart and creative that we want to do it all now. And so we overwork ourselves and prove ourselves and you just, you need to do the balance thing and do what's best for you. And what a blessing that you just have so much going on. Well, and thank you. But I have two jobs that end at the end of December with the regular season of football. And so like the fear of losing two jobs, this is football season. And I'm like, come January 2019, I'm not going to have my legal job.

Right. I'm not going to have that. I'm like, oh my gosh, what comes next? And that's why I overwork myself. But it's like, take that time to be creative, to figure it out. were you reading articles for the recaps yes i was doing them for us weekly yeah i did it for ra season first and i loved it because i was like oh my gosh this is tapping back into like creative writing and i love this stuff and you know i was so straightforward yeah so blunt so real people loved it

didn't hold back they at first they were like and then they were like yeah you said exactly what i was thinking and i'm like i always am yeah yeah and then i did it for becka season and then well my rule is to always not touch the lead right like they're protected i get you yeah i know what you're going through right so with aria i let him have it in the finale yeah obviously of course and then with beck i was like i never want to touch the person she picked right you know like despite whatever was going on surrounding that i was like i don't want to tap into that because i know who she picked and i want to respect it whatever my opinions are yeah so but her finale what happened Why am I blanking on this?

That's okay. I mean, it wasn't like that eventful compared to mine because they treated her better, which was like my issue. So I was watching the finale. I was in a hotel, my favorite hotel in New York, which one, the Park Hyatt. I love it if you ever go. And I'm watching the finale and I planned on writing it a certain way. And then I'm watching and I'm like, why isn't Becca on stage?

They had me on stage for the entire three hours. Where is she? And I thought she gets to sit back there for the first. time you know how like they let us watch the episodes before for the finale they did not let us watch the episode before they wanted my natural reaction on stage because i'm i'm animated and they knew they were going to get a reaction out of me see and they did they let me watch mine before yeah they let everybody except for me i watched every episode except for that one so three hours i'm sitting live on stage i'm getting asked real-time questions in front of an audience and she didn't so

I'm already one upset about that because of how they did me. Then there was controversy surrounding Garrett and Becca because of all the Instagram stuff. And they touched on it, but they didn't go deep into it. And for me, I was very upset that, like, and this is what I said in my article. The premise of it was, does the Bachelor of Franchise, like, allow you to have a happy ending? Do they show it? No. And I said, because you didn't.

I mean, like, they focused on all the other shit. instead of the true love story. You had it very similar to me. And I said, we felt, we actually felt very, like, empathetic towards you guys at, and you reached out to me. And you reached out to me. And it meant everything to me in interviews. I was like, Caitlin said this to me.

And it really helped me. Yeah. Because it really meant everything to me. So just in case you guys don't know, like, Caitlin reached out to me after the finale. And it was everything because I needed someone who understood what I was going. I was like, so passionate about it for you. Yeah. No, and I really, like, to this day, I really appreciate it.

And I was always referenced what you said to me. And so I. anyways, I was watching it and I was just like, wow, like they're not doing to her what they did to us. And so in my article, I thought, in some cases, they believe in an on camera happy ending. And in some, you just get your off camera. And I like kind of spelled that out. And I compared what she went through compared to what I went through. And I was more so, I never spoke about how I felt during that finale because you're in that weird place of protect the franchise, protect your relationship, behave for a TV wedding.

And so once I realized that's not happening, I just, for the first time I spoke my piece about how I really felt on that day. And a lot of people were upset because they were like, how dare you make the article about you and not Becca? And I'm like, no, I wished Becca the best. I said, I hope she, I said, she got an on camera happy ending, whether you agree with Garrett or not. Right.

You understood why Becca picked him. Yeah. Yes. That is something that I didn't get. Yeah. You did not understand why I. I picked Brian. Yeah.

And that's what I was like, at the end of the day, you get it. And I wish I would have had that. And so I talked about the things that people didn't get to see. And then I compared it to what you saw with Bacca. Because it was finally, you were finally able to share what meant something to you. Yeah. I did an interview today with Glamour magazine about unconventional relationships and like finding love in an unconventional way.

And I said that. I said, the happiest day of our life, what should have been was the hardest day of our relationship. I broke down. A lot of people do not know this in full out tears. Like everybody had to leave the room because of the questions we were being asked. And I was stuck in a place of how do I protect what we have? Because it's so beautiful. But how do I respect the process at the same time? Because one, you're under contract. Two, you have been blessed with like this opportunity. And three, you know that like if you do something to push their buttons, they'll get you back you know like they will make sure you pay yeah yeah yeah and i remember like even in the finale

you got to play their little game i always say that you too and i i am pissed that i i always said from the beginning i was never going to have two people standing up at the end yeah and that was used against me in the end same and i because i never wanted to make whoever was number two even before i met number two never wanted to make them feel like i might be spending the rest of my life with this person yeah yeah And that was used against me in the end for a storyline. And that is what I hated at the time for my relationship. And we got through it. And I was like, if we can get through this, we can get through anything.

I know it. So that's what upset me for you. And because I understood it, because, you know, I saw Andy's season where she had Nick as her runner up. And she got to go to his hotel room and like break it to him. She didn't bring crystals to the fantasy suite. She got to send Nick home before he could, you know, propose. And when it came to my season, I wanted to, I was like, I'm not going to make him get down on one knee and propose to me.

Like I would rather, you know, I've already played your game this far and have, you know, acted a little bit, which is also so horrible because I don't want to, I don't want to do that no matter who you are. Right. Right. And then I, it gets, and they're like, Caitlin, we're going back to the, to the format of the show where two people propose. And I'm like, no, I don't want to do that to him. I don't want to do that to Sean right before he proposes. I don't want to do that to Nick. I didn't even, you know, I wanted Ben to be, because I was like, whoever's number two, I'll let them down before they get down on one knee. Right, right. And, but yeah, they did the whole like, oh, this is the format of the show. This is how it's going to have to be.

And then fast forward to our, you know, when it's supposed to be the happiest day, we could finally announce, same thing with you guys, you're finally able to announce that you're together. Now you've seen how they twisted the story and, you know, because they probably had an idea of Peter being the bachelor. You know, so they got to give that sob story and people don't realize how much they can edit and like it doesn't mean your feelings aren't like you weren't sad in that moment or, you know, like that's with people don't get it. And I kind of, I understand that people don't get it because I wouldn't get it as a viewer either. Yeah.

Because you believe what you're watching. Yeah. And so when Nick, you know, they're like, why would you let him say all those things where the producers to me were like, let him have that because he's about to be devastated. And that makes sense. Right. And all you can do is give him the opportunity to speak from his heart. And I was like, okay, I guess so like, you know, like they convince you of these things. And then after I'm like sitting there and trying to be so protective of my relationship and happy. And then everyone's like, you're being so mean to Nick. And I'm like, you know, that's why I felt your pain so much when you were going through that. Because I'm like, no, you're just standing up for your relationship. And you've already put them through so much through the show that you're like, let me have this moment on live TV to not. be produced. Yeah. And then I looked forward.

My family was not invited. Sean's family was not invited. And Nick's whole family who they knew I was like, I don't want to put them through this again because they had just been through this on Andy season. His whole family was front row with his little sister crying. Well, you know what? Okay. I'm going to sound so cold-hearted.

They accepted the invitation to come back and put themselves like that again. But I'm sure, but I'm sure the producers convinced them, you know, like, was so I was and then people like why were you so mean and I'm like actually I was in shock and I did not know how to behave because I looked out into the front row and saw these people that are so nice they are nice the sweetest and I've just like you know hurt their son and they're like wow we told you we didn't want to go through this again and like to not put them through that if you didn't feel it and I'm sitting here and like what do I do and I felt the same way when you were up there with Brian just trying to be happy and it's like you finally get to be in public and

it's all about the other person. And I mean, and I guess that's just part of the show. And every time, you know, viewers are always like, why, but that's why you tune in. But I,

because I didn't watch the show before, I didn't know that. I mean, even on Nick's season, it wasn't all about Raven. Because I had already been announced as Bachelorette. Yeah.

See, people have to understand, like, I didn't see what happened with Jojo. So I don't know if Robbie got that same type of treatment. Right. And with Jordan,

I have no idea. I didn't finish the season. Once they made up that song for Jojo, I had to turn it off. What was the song? I don't know. It was like the episode one. So going on next season,

I was like, okay, I'm going to watch next season. Yeah. And then right before Bats Right, I'm like, let me try to watch Jojo's. And they made up some song, like, with Jojo's name in it. Oh. And I thought, oh, God, no.

I better stop watching before I just, like, turn in my letter of resignation. This is not for me. Right. That's so funny. Yeah, they made up a song. But I did not know, if I had known that that was the premise of the show, then I might have had two people stand up in the end.

So, like, I think that's good that you did have that because they couldn't use the whole, well, that's what she really wanted. Yeah. But she settled, which is what kind of was the underlying theme. That's so. And I do find that in a lot of seasons, even same thing with Garrett, I don't feel like they really show who they pick good side. Oh, I thought you saw it with Garrett. Like, in the end, I remember Brian and I were watching and were like, oh, you see it. He was crying. Yes. The family got it. But I mean, they really made it look like she was going to pick Blake because that again is the format of the show. I was really going to pick Blake. Right. And then I think it was like a, like in the end, I thought you really saw Garrett shine in the end. And I think that's probably what she saw to. Right. Right. Because there were things that were said. during the journey yeah about Blake like that she was saying like you know Blake doesn't know

that I'm in love with him and Blake doesn't know and I thought ooh I thought if she didn't pick Blake this is really hard for the man who she picked to watch oh and thank God Garrett is just a like I mean he he's so understanding I don't think anything bothers Garrett nothing I really don't he's always smiling yeah always happy which I kind of understand a bit because Brian is a very positive person like that too so if if i hadn't had brian i would not understand it but now that i have him i'm like i get that positivity really that's so sweet like i died today when you were like asking people like what's your monday motivation and brian was like you're my motivation and you were like i love you so much i was like bye i'm out that's like the latin culture

too like they're just yeah he is he makes me way more open like before i would have been like oh my god I have to say I love you in public. Right. Like Brian is just so open with his feelings and it allows me to be that way too. Because let's be real, which we are all the time on this podcast. You guys fight over stuff. You have arguments. You have hard times.

But like this is what I always try and navigate on social media is that like people are like, you guys are so perfect and you guys were this and you were so in love. And I'm like, yes, all of those things happened. Yes. All of those moments were real. I listen to Dax check. Shepard's podcast and he was saying, you know, like people are like couple goals. And like when people break up, they're like, but we thought you were so in love. It's like all those things

happened. And we are like we were. Yeah. Do you want to see the tough times on social media? Like that's not really what we use social media for. You don't like negative things. You don't double tap when somebody's like going through the worst time ever. You're, we all know what social media is for. And so when people are so shocked at couples breaking up, it's like, well that's because you are you are seeing a tiny little moment of their lives you know like a tiny where they could have been having the worst three days but then they have one good day they're gonna post about that one good day and that's that's just how it is and that's how it always will be and that's why i told people that we're pulling like back a bit from social media i mean like yeah today i posted a post

and you know brian's like you're my inspiration and and i'm like i love you so much but do you know what you guys last night he pissed you up he pissed me off yeah And I was like, I feel underappreciated. And we had the whole thing. Do you want us to like post like me a story about that? No. And it's like you don't see every little thing. And I think that's the conversation I want to have on my podcasts and stuff.

It's just having like podcasts. It's so great because you can have these conversations and it's an hour long and you can actually dive into these things. Yeah. Because it's like on social media, it's like, what's a funny caption? What's a cute photo? Podcast you can be like, no. this actually happened and this is real and this piss me off and this is real relationships because

I don't want people to look at social media and think well that's what I'm looking for because no you don't know what's going on behind closed doors and there's a lot of things that everybody has to work through in every relationship and no relationship is perfect but you're damn right we're going to show you the good times but isn't that so sad it's like the fact that you can only see what's right in front of you and you think oh my god you you stalk people you go in this black hole on social media and you're like if my life isn't like theirs what am i doing wrong you start judging yourself and it's like it's body image it's hair it's makeup it's relationships it's self-worth it's everything it's everything on social media and you compare it and it's i mean life has always been like

go the grass is always greener that's just how it's been now it's just obviously like magnified with social media but that's not getting any better for anyone you know like this is clearly going to be a thing and that's why I always want to talk about it on podcasts like that relationships are so hard and you guys you never know what people are going through no a picture does not show it a story doesn't show it like a bio doesn't show you never know what people are struggling with and they're always struggling with something and that's what I always want to say too is that it same thing that dack said and the same thing I just said and I'm going to repeat because it's not like those things didn't happen like when people are like we thought you and Sean are like couple goals it's like but we were

you know what does that mean hashtag couple goals should be also that like you have hard dark times you but but I'm not going to share those with you because that's my happiness and a little bit of my happiness a small little piece that you see on social media that can be your business but private struggles and hard times are my business and I will be I will pick and choose what I share with like if I want to start a dialogue about mental health and I'm having a bad day then that's my choice but for me to actually like give you my hard times every week you don't want to see that no and I don't want to share that all the time and you shouldn't and I think for us it's a little different because we fell in love in such a public way and so it's like once that

bachelor bubble is we burst it and we start to like live in real life you want to keep things private because you did things so public. And then you have to have to try and understand that people really feel like you owe them an explanation. And I get it. And I get it too. And I want to give them that. But at the same time, I have to respect my own privacy and my own feelings and my own heart.

And just know, like, I don't know you. And I always say what you think about me is none of my business. So I, as much as I'm a people pleaser and I like to entertain. I'm a people pleaser. I'm such a people pleaser with when it comes to. entertainment but I'm like I think we're kind of similar in that way we're like we're people pleasers but also we are who we are yeah and so I'm like we do it in different ways I'm like I will entertain the f*** out of you on an Instagram story you know like I just like I love it not in the

story but big rate she will come out yeah yeah yeah and it's and that's like kind of selfish because I do it for myself I get I love making people laugh I love being who I love I think about it and I'm like that's like a guy you know I could be like on stage as a comedian a one woman show a one woman show but I get that to do it from my phone from the comfort of my own home like you're making me want to start a podcast oh it's the best it's the freaking best I'm like off the vine part too yeah I wouldn't be mad I wouldn't be mad I mean everybody and their dog comes off the bachelor now and gets a podcast so you just everyone's not doing it like you though well and right back at you well i'm not doing anything you i mean podcast wise i'm sorry

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Now back to Off the Vine with Caitlin Bristow. Tell me what you think, because I know you're going to give me an honest answer of Colton being the bachelor. Let me start off with this. That's my initial reaction. Let me start off with a great big sigh. I think, I'm going to start with a positive. I'm sure Colton, I've never met him. You're going to do a negative sandwich.

Start with a positive. Yeah. Negative and with a positive. That negative sandwich has got a lot of meat in it, okay? Perfect. Perfect. I think that I've never met Colton and I'm sure he's great and my mutual friends that have met him talk about how sweetie is

and he's got his charity and so like I am sure he's wonderful however I'm going to speak in a manner of being the next bachelor so like everybody like chill out don't come at me I'm going to talk about him being the next bachelor I don't like it I'm just going to flat out say it

I don't like it this is not a surprise if you read my Us Weekly articles I'm not a fan because I don't understand who Colton is and I'm not quite sure. He doesn't understand who Colton is. Thank you for finishing my sentence. And you'll get this, Caitlin. I know, I was finishing your negative sandwich. Caitlin, did we take a bite out of it?

We sure did. We sure did. I feel like you'll understand this. When you go through this process and you find someone, you're very protective over it. Yeah. And when you did Bachelor and then you have the. break. How relieving was it for you to like have that time in the real world? It's like to be surrounded by family and friends and to take a break from it and you're like, oh, I can breathe before you go

and get your mind right before you go to Bachelorette. Yeah. I didn't have a lot of time and I needed whatever time I could. Everything. Yeah. Colton didn't get that. Yeah. You went from Bachelorette to paradise to now this. You, the Bachelor bubble is real. You get sucked in. It is a world that is not real well I was about to be real shady for a second I've been so shady on this podcast I was like assoning my all it's just not like

you really get sucked in and we are all victim to it you know like not pointing any fingers even though I just did it's like we all become we'll point one to it yeah and so it's like I don't feel like he has had the break that he needs to get his mind right to go in with the right mindset to the bachelor and that's what I don't like

And it's like, I'm not into it. And he never had his mind right. You know, like he looks confused on TV. He comes across as he does not know what he wants. No. And so, and he's 26 is very young these days for like, you know, for a man to know what they want. And especially Colton, who's already seems so confused. Yeah. We can't all be Ben Higgins. No. Ben Higgins can't even keep up with Ben Higgins. Like he just can't keep up with that. You know, the perfect Ben is hard to live up to. Yeah. It's, you can't do it. And so I'm like, I'm worried about Colton honestly. Like, I'm like, is he going to be okay after this? Because he's in for a real whirlwind of emotions. He'll always be tapped him. Yeah. He is in for a whirlwind of emotions. And I just, I just feel like if you did a timeline of everything Colton said, because I did during Beck's season, because I was writing about it, just from him saying, I've never said I love you to then in the same sentence telling you, her I love you and then you know like he wanted to be with Bega then but blow like it's having a nervous breakdown just because she walked in the room and then Tia comes you know then he's like oh I'm going to

try it with Tia and then he cries in front of Kevin about Tia but sheds not one tear to Tia when he's leaving her and it's just like it's confusing to the viewers and I think it's confusing to him oh I don't think I'll tell you one part that's not confusing I am pretty sure he always wanted to be the bachelor yeah and i think and i think the producers did too it's very he's got a good story yeah he's that all-american yeah exactly and he fits the mold yeah and coming from a nick who was picked from the past coming from an ari who was picked from the past now we get someone from beck of season yeah who fits the ideal mold it works and i think this is what he wanted and i think this is what I think it's, I think Colton went into all of this thinking, I can be the bachelor.

I think the producers wanted him to be the bachelor. And I think they've all found their way and made it happen. So they, if, you know, if he really was falling for Tia, we all know how convincing those producers can be. They can convince you that you're in love with someone that you're not. They can convince you're not in love with somebody that you are. They, that's why this show has been around for so long. They're good at what they do.

And so I think they all had this, like, mutually beneficial feeling of him being the bachelor and I'm very curious what they're going to do with it but I think this is the season we skip oh a hundred percent like I what should we replace it with I'd say football but we're only I can't get down rolling it I know I know we got to find a new show that starts that we got to replace it with this is us are you into this is oh cry every episode great great okay great yeah that's it that's what we're watching I'm so into it or we start our own um this is what i was actually going to bring up beck and i talked about starting dancing with the stars but like the ones that weren't allowed to go on and so we can all

do it wait does she want to do it yeah she wanted to do dancing with stars yeah was she told no um she can't say and she didn't tell me because she is under contract but i'm thinking yes okay so i wasn't told no i wasn't told no either i wasn't told no but i was very very very vocal that I didn't want to do it because I at the time was like we we had just had it was so negative I was just smart of you I was like I want to focus on our relationship yeah if you asked me now I probably would say yes see and it was the opposite way for me I wanted to say yes because dancing was such a passion of mine and I was like oh that would be a dream come true you're so good but I saw you dancing in Canada oh I'm and I was like look at her my next scrunchy

launch is a dance. I'm going to be in the studio. But I'm like, this is a, but then moving forward, I was so glad I didn't because it was such a like pivotal time in the relationship and it was so important to spend that quality time after coming out of a TV show. So things work out the way that they should. But yeah, I do. I wonder, yeah, I don't know.

I mean, when are they going to have a girl from the bachelorette on? When is the last time was Trista? Well, I know. Well, I actually, Melissa. Melissa. Yeah. But I mean, that was the least they could do for hers for getting just, you know, humiliated on TV. I don't, I don't, I was never officially asked, but I was also very vocal that I didn't want to do it.

They probably loved that because then they're like, cool, we don't even have to go there. So who, but I remember Chris Jenner was like, you don't say no to anything. Oh, you know what? And she's a boss. Yeah. She said, you don't say no to anything. That's what she told me. And that's why the Kardashians are where they are.

She's at all publicity. And that's also why they have. like 11 grandchildren so many now because you say yes yeah makes a lot of sense actually um we haven't confessed yet usually i like get into the confessions right away and i'm like oh shit we're already at like an hour because you wanted me to get nice and drunk yep it's a lot to get me drunk well I can see that. You've really done damage to that bottle of wine and you are not even phased. I'm faced.

Oh, you're like me. You're like me. I can crush wine and people. Blake, when he was on my live podcast, he, Tia was wasted. And we went for dinner after it. And I'm just crushing like, like a tequila soda and I was drinking. And I'm like, he's like, are you even drunk? I'm like, no, I feel nothing.

Like I was. And then in my, the. next day. I'm like, no, I totally was. I just, you know, I'm just, I'm good until I'm not. I'm not. I'm not going to fill it until I sit in a car. I'm like, oh, we're going. We're going. Yeah. Yeah. I'm the same way. You know how to keep it together. I'm the same way. I'm the best type of jokes. For real though. And you, could you drink on your season? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. There were a couple of moments that I was like, oh, I had to redo super. No, they, then, then that's maybe why they were like, stop. You're cut off. Oh, they never cut me off. They cut me off. In fact, they build me up. No, they legitimately, as Bachelorette were like, you cannot keep drinking.

See, and I think they cut me off. No, they didn't cut me off because I never showed myself being wasted until it was like way too late. People were sneaking me drinks. It was like, the guys were being me drinks and they'd be like, okay, we're going to put this to the side. That's so funny. Because on next season, I had a couple of moments. So you want to talk about confession. I'll tell you one Bachelor confession.

Okay. And then I'll tell you like another confession. Perfect. so embarrassing I love it so I love that the world has been reintroduced to Astrid because I have been speaking her praises forever and she and I were in the limo the first night together and we've always been super close like when I met her I was like she seemed so legit yeah I was like this is a chick that I'm going to vibe with from the beginning yeah and to this day from all of Batshrination I'm the closest to Astrid yeah so I got I was one of those people who

didn't get a date the first week And so I was so bored. I was losing my mind. I was drinking every day. I was so dehydrated. That by the time I got a date, I was out of my mind. So I get a date. It's track and filled.

We're working out. We're in the sun. I'm drinking. We drank before the date because we had no idea we'd be working out. Little do I know how dehydrated I am. Yeah. So I'd have maybe like one more drink that night. I'm done.

Yeah. So by the time we get to the nighttime portion, I'm like sitting there with Nick, totally making out. totally sitting on top of them and then I go back to the rest of the girls and like yeah it's such a good time when Nick I was like yeah we made out I was like sitting on top of them

then all of the sudden all of the sudden I get so sick oh no and I'm like I'm gonna be sick and I run to the bathroom and Astrid runs behind me and you know normally if there are two people in the bathroom they can record yes they didn't but I got sick

I was throwing up and Astrid was holding my hair and I looked up her and I go you're my only friend and to this day I have all like that's like our inside joke and if you ever go back and watch next season I got the rose on that group date you got the group date rose when he puked he likes the pukers yeah yeah yeah because yeah Vanessa had peaked before I didn't know she had puked at the time but I never put that together I just put it together now like what does he want now I he didn't like that I puked you didn't like that story I know Tucker it was rough He knows that he knows his mom has a fear of puking.

I do too. You do? No, I, it's just, I was, I was that drunk so I didn't really realize it. Yeah. But I, so I get the group date rose. So we're sitting there. So after I get sick, I pass out to the point where all the girls are like playing with my lambs doing the YMCA. No.

What? Yes. They thought that. So funny. They thought that they were going to have to like. like get help with me and they're like no she's just sleeping it off she's fine and then they're like get her together like nick is coming back in and get out the rose so if you watch carefully i'm turning oh i want to go back and watch that i'm turning to astrid nick is talking i'm not

paying attention i'm just like whatever and i'm looking at her and apparently i said i was like i don't even want the rose like i hadn't gotten it yet and i was like astrid you take it and so and she was like get it together and you can see like my hair is all disheveled and then out of nowhere like I don't know what he's saying because you know how it is like when you're giving out the rose you compliment multiple people

and he's like Rachel I'm going to give you the rose and I had my head down and I look up with the most confused look and I walk over to him and I give him like this strong pat on the back like you're the homie I beat his back I sit down and I throw my rose on Astrid

and I go, you take it. Stop. Do they show that? No. That's because they're like, she has a bachelor's potential. We can't make her look like an idiot. Thank you.

And thank goodness. And it was just like, I was so dehydrated because they kept saying to the producers, the producer that was with me, what did she drink? And she goes, she had one drink. But it was because I'd been in the house for,

at that point it's probably seven days. No water. Just playing games, just drinking. I was just dehydrated. That was it. I won drink that night. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

So that's the story I've actually never told. That's hilarious. Because to this day we make jokes when something happens and I'm like, you're my only friend. Yeah. Can I get in on that friendship? She seems awesome. No, she's, you have to have her. I will.

Oh, I would love that. Because I love Kevin too. She's like dry sense of humor, straightforward. So funny. Yeah. Yeah. You'll like her. She's the realest.

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My other confession. Yes. I'm like, yeah, after you. Great. Get to the good stuff. Now, a lot of people like to credit me for being smart. Yeah. I would have to say you are.

So I'd like to tell a story of not my brightest moment. Go on. Unicorns. Okay. I thought. No. You thought they were real? Not quite.

Okay. I thought unicorns existed one time and I thought that they were extinct like dinosaurs. Oh. And I thought, and it was until a late age. And by that I mean after college. No. That I discovered that they weren't extinct. I thought, you know, like how you find a dinosaur's, like the findings, like the bones.

Yeah. You found unicorns and the unicorn horn. I just thought that they were like an extinct thing. I didn't realize they were like a figment of our imagination. Well, you know what? That just shows how deep your imagination is. It's quite deep. Which takes an intelligent person.

Or I mix. You can say it's genius and insanity. Right. Mixed together. Yeah. So I, I, ladies and gentlemen. gentlemen thought Unicorns were ill.

There was a time when they lived amongst people well what a time to be alive if that was the case. You just walk outside hop on a unicorn's back and fly away. I wish that was true. I wish that was...

That's funny though because you are very smart and that's silly. I legit. No, it is embarrassed. I was like, I'm sorry, wait. They were extinct. Yeah. They're like a dinosaur.

Yeah. No. Rachel, they're not a person. Pegasus. They're not, no, unicorns don't exist. They don't have, they're not rainbows. Who made up the unicorn, you know? I'd like to meet them. Well, I thought God, but apparently that's not true. Yeah, you thought wrong, but that's okay. That's okay. And now I want to rewind a bit, because now I'm thinking about the puke story. And then I'm like, wait, you and Vanessa had a bit of a feud. We did. But you've, have we cleared the air now? We have. That's nice.

You know, like, timing is everything. Everything. And I mean, and I'll be, honest. After next season, I couldn't stand Vanessa. Right. I think there was, you show me giving a note to Raven when it was the final three. Because Raven and I are very close. And I like barely hugged Vanessa. And I just really did that for TV. So there was definitely a riff there. And we really got into it. And I tell, I tell people, the show brings out the best and the worst of you. Both. Absolutely. We just didn't get along. And usually, I feel like the next bachelorette and maybe the next lead. Yeah, we just, you just don't. Yeah. And I think. feel like because people didn't get a full explanation of it they don't understand it and even if

i explain it you don't get it yeah but moving forward nick and vanessa broke up they went she had to go through that relationship and like she's doing fantastic and then i was the bacheloret and we went through what we went through you know to get where we are now and i felt like it was the perfect time and we actually like stop it because i'm like remember that what here comes that watery burb out girl um we did fear factor together and we were cordial but we didn't really talk and so it was kind of after that that it was like that was kind of awkward we didn't really talk she reached out so I want to give her the credit because she reached out to me oh that's nice and I gave her my number and we talked it out and it was such a great conversation and I told her I said a year ago I don't think we could have done this we

weren't in the right place timing but we just talked it out we didn't hash out the details of what happened two years ago because it doesn't matter anymore because it happened two years ago exactly It was more like, you know, like, let's let bygones be bygones. Yeah. You know, she's like, I've been watching you for a distance. I said, I've been watching you. And it was so mature. It was, yeah.

It was really nice. And even now, like, we'll message each other about stuff. And it's, it's great because that was the only person I really didn't get along with from next season. And so now it's like I'm really on good terms with everyone. Yeah. That's nice, too. Because, I mean, like, what's the point of holding grudges? Yeah.

And also, I mean, but I can't say the same thing. There was only one girl I didn't get. along with on who Kelsey oh I don't know oh and I don't know if anybody's heard from her really which is crazy

I want to get to some questions because we're running out of time but people had some great questions for you that I wanted to ask you a lot of them we've actually addressed because everybody likes to know about your career relationship if you're practicing law

like I feel like we've addressed a lot of them Sarah Strum wants to know what's the biggest thing that you want to see change in Bachelor Nation? I would like for there obviously to be more diversity in Bachelor Nation. Of course. And then honestly, everybody does. Yeah.

But then honestly, I want the format to change. Yeah. It's been 17 years. And I haven't even watched the show for 17 years. And it's like it's the same exact format. And I think for the show to survive another 17 years, even another four years, I was saying the same thing. Yeah.

I mean, they need to somehow keep up with the times. And it's like, like, you know, reality Steve is like the biggest nemesis and he's revealing everything that's happening. And yes,

people still watch after reading what he does. But somehow they need to keep up and tap into that. Somehow they need to change the format of the show. I think it can still be the bachelor, Bachelorette, but they can stay true to who they are. But they need to step into 2018. And people complain about,

You know, think about when that show started. I remember them telling me, like, the fact that, like, multiple women were just going after the same guy, or then fast forward to one woman dating all these men, like, America did not approve. And it took them years. And then it got to a point where it's like, okay, we can know that there's fantasy suites, but when we know what actually went on in them, now we're upset. You know, there's always this weird gray area with what people accept and what they, that I don't

think um like i feel like it it got them 30 some seasons to get to people accept this concept and now they can't change it i feel like it's like it's like an older generation that like judges you yeah but it's like if you want to accept the fact that things are getting revealed on social media somehow you have to tap into those type of changes yeah so that's what i would like to see change it's like i don't want to know what's going to happen i don't want to be able to say like even like i'll use back a season because it was just the last one We knew who her top guys were somehow make that a little bit more interesting. Yeah, that's true.

Like, we, you always know. And it's like, yeah, you're going to keep your old faithful crew. Yeah. But it's gone from like 30 something million to like single digit millions. And so it's like it's because it's becoming predictable. It's very predictable and people don't watch TV anymore. And people don't watch TV. No, that's so true.

They don't. Yeah, you got to really like really grab your audience now. Well, I mean, they've made it a whole Monday night event, so that's a little too much. That's the genius of it, though. That's true. Sarah Celine says, how do you, how are you such a boss in everything you do, lawyer, sportscaster, true to yourself, personality, et cetera. This is a great question, and I'm going to add to it. What makes you insecure?

When do you feel insecure? I feel insecure every day. But what is it that makes everybody feels insecure, but what it, the fear of failure makes me insecure. It's crazy. It's like it's two-headed. It makes me feel insecure, but it also motivates me. It empowers me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It lights a fire under your butt at the same time.

That's why you are where you are. It's a gift and a curse. And I feel like anything great, that's how you're always going to describe it. Like, it helps me, but it hinders me at the same time. Social media. Yeah. It's, it's anything you will hear anything great, people are going to describe it as that. Like, everything's not all good and everything's not all bad.

It's both. But you do, you can't fake your confidence. No, that. You know, like, where how are how did you get such confidence in yourself i mean i i feel like having a strong support system truly helps you whether that's family friends or both like it's who you surround yourself with a small core to just surround yourself with and even like being in this world and you get this kately it's like you can't get caught up in like new friends and everything you have to

separate yourself and be grounded by the people who knew you before who will check you if you start acting completely different. Yes. So like the confidence, yes, that like that's something I've always had, but also being in this world, it's so easy to lose because you start comparing yourself to other people and you have to remind yourself today. Like even today, and I don't know when this will air, but I posted something about like, it's Monday, like get your perspective together because moment of truth, I didn't have a good day on radio yesterday. And I like walked away and I was like, gosh, I sucked. I couldn't say a word. I said it like three times.

I still couldn't get it right. I kept saying, um, and I was really hard on myself. And I thought, I'm going to lose my job. Like, this is it. And it took a close friend saying to me, like, people have hard times, pick yourself up, don't stay in that place, keep it going. And that's what you kind of have to do. And that's what real friends do too.

Yeah, I have insecure moments. And I think that you should be very forthcoming about that. Like, I'm not always okay. It's not always good. I literally joked about having a nervous breakdown on the show. I have to have people who know me who can check me and bring me back to reality and also encourage me to do better and not stay in the sunken place for all those who've seen get out. Quality over quantity.

Yeah. No, I totally. I'm like the biggest believer in, I'll even say to my best friends, I'll be like, sometimes I just want to like thank you for who I am today. And they're like, no, that's all you. Like you are who you are. This is what. And I'm like, no, because I swear it's who I surround myself with that has got me to have

my confidence and to where I'm at and to feeling the way I do about myself and my self-respect. I truly think it's because I have such a solid family and core group friends. And I think it's so important just to know that we are not always confident. No. We're not. Oh, hell. And that's like the first thing like we need to tell people. Yeah.

You're not that way 100% of the time. You have your weak moments. Oh my gosh. We all do. Sometimes my anxiety is so much stronger than me than I go. I go into like my child self like you just don't see that yeah you know but like sometimes my anxiety is stronger than who I am and I will just like break but am I confident yes yeah do I have self love yes yes and it's something that you work on every single day every day and I didn't work on that

until I was probably 26 I just I you did it earlier than me really yeah it it was something like I think I'm very lucky for, I mean, I'm sure a lot of us are, but like my family was very open about feelings and love and respect. And like we'd read books on feelings. And if my parents had a fight, we'd talk about it. And we would have family meetings on feelings. Like I feel like I'm really like even though my parents divorced at a very like later age, I feel like they still showed me such a good example of love and respect. And I think moving forward, I think that's helped me. So I think I would, it's not like I didn't have self respect through my 20s. It was just at 26, 27, I really. feel like it was a time where I learned a lot about myself and wanted to grow, where in my earlier 20s, I was like, eh, I'm going to drink and party and do whatever I want and dance and work and whatever. But as I grew up, I was like, who am I? And like, what makes me happy? What makes me tick? And it was, to be honest, I'll still say this. It's who I surround myself with. That's what makes me happy. That's what makes me feel confident is no makeup, not on social media, with people who love me. Yeah. And sometimes you have to let go of the people who don't aren't like-minded

and don't do that for you. And I have. And I have too. For me, it was, for me, it was 30s. Yeah. And I will tell people that when you see me post something positive or inspirational, I'm not just doing that for everybody else. That's for me too. So when I posted like a Monday motivational thing, it's because I needed it. And so I thought, why am I going to just keep that to myself? Let me share that with everyone else too. Somebody, somebody said to me not only ago, I cried on one of my Instagram stories and they're like why would you do that like what makes you feel like you can't rely on family or friends and that you'd put a camera up to you to do that and I said because maybe I can help somebody else realize that like it's okay to break down and cry no matter what

life you seem to have it's normal and it's accepted and it's human yeah and I didn't read one comment that came back in even though I'm sure people poured their hearts out and said like I'm going through this and thank you I just didn't want to because I wasn't doing it for responses. I was doing it to just help somebody. And this is another thing I learned on Dak Shepard's podcast. I'm really like, people need to listen to this, is that Kristen Bell said, I help others and it makes me feel good. So people could argue that that's selfish because I literally do it for myself. It makes me feel good to help other people. And I feel that way about being real and I feel that way about being funny on Instagram. I love sharing raw, real moments. I love sharing raw, real

moments and I love being just in a moment, even if that means it's on social media. I know that's weird, but because I think people can relate, understand, and have a better day from it. I wish I was better at that. And honestly, it just, are you a friends fan? Am I a friend's fan? You just reminded me of them. Does a duck's boner drag in the weeds?

Yes. It does. I don't know. I was like, I'm going to have to watch a duck. Get under there. Check out their boners. It reminds me of the Friends episode where Phoebe's like. There's no such thing as a selfless deed.

Or Joey says that to her and she lets the bee stinger and the bee dies. Yes. Yes. This sort of reminded me. I think I've seen every episode of Friends 28 times. Oh, okay. I'm not quite there. Oh, I'm there.

Maybe three. It's actually something I do when I have anxiety. I put on Friends episodes and I can like reenact every single episode. Question for you. Mm-hmm. What Friends episode or what Friends character reminds you of yourself? Who do you be? that is actually one of the Twitter questions I'm like really it actually is well thank God I watch

friends okay I would think that I was a mix but if I have to choose one because I like to answer questions straight on mm-hmm I'm gonna say Monica really I'm not like I have a sloppy house I'm not like yeah if you drop something I'm not gonna be like oh my god you're making me itch she's just particular but she's I have learned in my older age I'm like particular so like Monica when I see her reminds me I kind of get that I used to hate not hate Monica I can never hate any of them everybody wants to be Rachel not me but I'm Monica you know what I could seem I know what you mean when you're like I could see myself a little combination of a few of them I'm definitely probably Phoebe but I do have Monica tendencies yeah I'm definitely Monica

I have Rachel tendencies, but I'm a Monica. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. That don't make you bad people. Laura Smith wants to know what's the one question you wish somebody would ask you. How are you? How are you? I'm really good.

Laura Smith wants to know, how are you? You know, rather than like marriage or Brian or, you know, like, how do you, it's just like, how are you doing? I know. How's today? Do you know, I will say this. one thing that has really gotten to me over the years of from being recognizable I never say celebrity famous I know I hate it no I'm recognizable and that is the one thing if people run up and go can I get a picture and I say good how are you yeah because I'm like please ask me how I'm doing

if you're going to ask for a photo just be like how's it going how are you yeah because sometimes I'm like not too good I'm tired stay up late I will say that to you me too elevator talk my least favorite and I do that so if somebody asked me in an elevator how are you doing I will make sure I'm like you know what I'm so tired like and then I say but is anybody not tired like are we all tired and then and then they're like I'm sorry I'm asked they're like door open door open give me out of air no I do I just someone just something simple how are you doing yeah that's it I hear you I'm good now I'm drinking you're like I'm a bottle in I'm Good. Lex wants to know. Her name, Alexis Chantel. Any tips for someone trying, wait, that's two first names. I don't know if I trust this question. There are a couple of exceptions to the role. I think she is. Any tips for someone trying to get into the broadcasting world. I have a broadcasting diploma. I think that's what you said is just like hustling and staying true to who you are and not giving up. Yes, but what I will add to that is that there is so much more you can do now because everything is moving digital.

Yeah. So there are so many things that give you, and I wish I would take more advantage of this, and I plan to do it in 2019 when I have more free time. But take advantage of the free space that you have. IGTV, like have a creative concept and make something of it. Katie Nolan on ESPN gets paid seven figures. That's public knowledge. And that started from her creating a YouTube video in her college dorm room, just her own concept.

And that's where things are moving. that's why people love podcasts like this is such an interesting space to be in in this time because you're like do people really want to tune in for an hour and listen to this yes they do because it's freaking raw and real and relatable yes start a podcast do iGTV have an original concept people will take notice of it you literally could have your own advertisers on your own on IGTV so don't think of things the traditional way because those people kind of have that locked up so create your bloggers yeah create your own path That's really great advice, actually.

It was Caitlin del, delozier, delosier, maybe, who wanted to know what friend's character you were. You know, I just, yeah, a lot of people wanted to know about Vanessa. That's so funny. I said it on the morning dose, though, like, we're, we're really good. And I'm, and I, and I actually really love saying that. Yeah. That's. Because the conversation didn't end at the conversation.

Because you're allowed to. And you're not. You don't have to. get along with everybody in that moment that's just being real yeah not all of us get along with everybody so what people saw it on tv now they feel like they need to know the story yeah well you moved on and you're both adults so yeah um somebody said to me yeah i don't know who said that is Vanessa dating jason oh i saw okay so i was the same um so who did i see i was watching Vanessa's story and Vanessa said

like you know how you can do the questions on Instagram somebody was like why don't you and Jason meet and I guess she had said if there's anybody from the Bachelor world she could meet it would be Jason got you so then people were all over Matchmaker.com being like let's let's set them up you know a Bachelor Nation just wants everybody to be together right and so they had you know and then I think Bachelor Nation really put that out there so she was on her questions and she tagged him in it going yeah jason are we a thing and i think

they're meeting up that night but then i haven't seen or heard anything since oh they'd be a very cute couple you think so i mean i'm not talking personality he is oh yeah yeah yeah i'm like that guy i feel like Vanessa is a very homebody and he likes to party i don't know a thing about jason Okay, okay, I think we were talking about this off of air, so I won't go in like to our deep conversation, but there are people who play into a role of who they think will make, you know, the next best lead for how they think they should be. Right. So for you to say Jason likes, like, to be outgoing, that's not the character that he gave on the show. And you know what? The only reason I said that is because I got to know Blake, uh, Blake came over here for Friendsgiving.

And he was like talking And so I started following Blake on Instagram And he was like Him and Sean just hit it off from the gym And he came over for dinner And so I've seen them just go party time You know which who You know what

If you're single and you get off that show I was with somebody And I got off that show And you just I was in like a weird transition From the you drink so much on the show From our season The show should pay for rehab 100% rehab and therapy

And I was like, you know, going out in Vancouver all the time Because people in Vancouver don't give a shit who you are And it was so cool Because I was like, cool, I could still go hang out with my friends Go out drinking and nobody cares And so I think now it's like I see Blake's stories and and I'm assuming Not that he's a party boy

But that's not how he was on the show And so I like that It's like we sometimes you play a role Like how you because you don't want to be characterized a certain way or you don't know how editing it's going to be whatever so i like that he's embracing it you should embrace and i think he was really good at showing emotion too like i believe who he was on the show is deep down who he is in his core because i really saw emotion from him like he got choked up and he was very he could really like articulate his feelings and he was well spoken and he's got a good job and like you know

i feel bad i think in one of my articles i said all his personality was in his hair oh we've also something about his hair I made fun of his hair I made fun of his skating skills I'm you know I'm just part of no no no I'm like I'm sure I actually they all can handle it I like like Jason and Blake I wanted both of one of them to be the bachelor yeah and they're both really good at like if you chirp them they can handle it and my thing is if I follow you on Instagram I like you and I follow Jason and Blake so if you're listening you know I follow you so know I follow you so know hard feelings i don't think they listen to my podcast but no no they might you never know um so every podcast that i do i try and end it with a joke but i've gotten

really lazy and sick of coming up with my own material do you have any jokes oh my gosh no um not one like a knock knock any tear it could be terrible no i i like i'm the worst when someone's like say it say something funny oh i'm funny all the time what are you talking about I think I've said this on my podcast before, but when I came off the show and I had the People magazine shoot for like, I'm happy, which they wouldn't let me say. But they were like doing the photo shoot and I was not okay. And the girl, that was the photographer, she goes, okay, I heard you're really funny. So just be funny. I was like, that's not going to come across in a photo shoot.

Like me being funny is like, you don't want to photograph that. Here, I'll look up on Twitter, dad jokes, and we'll get one. Yeah, definitely don't have one of those. Damn it. I just burned my Hawaiian pizza. Maybe I should have cooked it on a low a low temperature. Aloha temperature. Okay.

I didn't need you to say it again. You know what? That was poor delivery. But I know where you were going with it. That was poor delivery. Let me do this again. Damn it, I just burned my Hawaiian pizza. Maybe I should have cooked it on Aloha temperature.

it's funnier when you read it but i but i get it you you you had the phrasing right a low a temperature my dad attacked me with a vacuum cleaner today's yelling die son oh is that the brand oh okay my god that is funny i'm so bad with joke wait one more my wife always prefers the stairs, whereas I like to take the elevator. I guess we are raised differently. Yes. I like that one. I love that, too.

I really like that. Is this the account? The account was, no, I'm going to, dad jokes. Oh, at Dad says jokes. How many followers does he? Oh, he's got almost 50,000. That's dees. That's funny.

Oh, see, and I'm going to end it with this. I like waiters. They bring a lot to the table. it's good right that's good okay i love a corny joke i'm any joke i'm all for it most jokes i'm all for it most jokes i okay i know we're about to end yeah but i i said this is someone the other day i hate people hates a strong word i dislike people who think they're funny yeah and like really try to be funny you know what i mean like it's one thing if you're funny and you're funny but like you either have it or you don't you don't yeah and it's like you

forced the funniness yeah which makes you the worst yeah we all we we see you yeah you are wax paper we see you we I'm you know what this is where we wrap up I was like oh I'm like I don't know what I'm saying I'm trying to do a transparency joke see prime example I was just I was gonna say I'm trying way too hard to be funny right now it's not landing I need to eat let's go to dinner you're funny thank you so much for bringing me out of my bachelor hole oh I was in there deep but really yeah I mean I was just kind of like I'm taking a break Caitlin calls no here I am yeah I come answering yeah you know knock knock who's there Rachel there's no joke after that I'm just here it's not funny it's serious she's here she's here physically um I was gonna say I'm not I'm not just saying this top three favorite interviews Yay! Goals. Hashtag goals. I feel like it was like really empowering and inspirational and I feel like you're obviously well spoken. That's why you succeed in what you do. And I think it was just enlightening. And and say it fun. And oh and of course fun. You wouldn't be in my top three

if it wasn't fun. I'd be like top 20. I love it. You know like I had a lot to prove here because my manager is like make sure you tell Caitlin that she's my favorite bachelorette. I mean, I mean, like, she was like, oh, obviously you. She's like, obviously you, but. But then, Caitlin, it was, it was really Kaylin. I think if I am, if people do like me, I don't think they like to admit it. No, people love you. I'm like, who's this?

There we go. Took me an hour, but I got it. That I couldn't get a watery one out. I'm like, who's this Caitlin and who do I have to live up to? Yeah, well, you know what? I kind of changed the game. but you don't have to live up to it because I feel like I feel no I'm not even going to go there because that'll be another hour of a podcast if we talk about it.

You are someone people still talk about and I like call it what you want you have a lot of respect in this game I hope there's respect I hope it's talked about with respect yeah well you did it you did the damn thing oh boy that's where we ended I'm Caitlin Bristol see you next Tuesday thanks for listening to Off the Vine with Caitlin Briscoe, get new episodes every Tuesday exclusively on podcast.1.com, the Podcast One app, and subscribe on Apple Podcasts. Who's done with OTV? Sponsors for this week's Off the Vine are E-Bizzy Tonight. Sunday through Wednesday's 10.9 Central.

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