Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Rachel Zoe: Do six things at once

Episode Date: April 20, 2021

Mom of two boys, wife, fashion designer, philanthropist, investor, founder of The Zoe Report, curateur-in-chief, writer, editor and overall badass businesswoman Rachel Zoe joins Kaitlyn for a conversation that covers everything from motherhood to bucket hats. Rachel shares her biggest fashion mishap, how she juggles the many roles she plays, what keeps her grounded, details around her 23 year marriage/30 year relationship with her ride-or-die husband and some very relatable fashion and style advice. She also gives an inside “peek” at her closet, how she keeps it organized and shares that this is the year to NOT do any “spring cleaning” when it comes to a closet detox because, well let’s be real, no one has worn anything but sweatpants for the past year. Listen in on a super down-to-earth well-rounded conversation that reminds us why we all love Rachel Zoe so much! You can follow Rachel on IG at @rachelzoe and subscribe to her new podcast Works for Us at apple.co/rachelzoe ATHLETIC GREENS - Visit athleticgreens.com/VINE for a free year supply of Vitamin D and 5 free travel packs. GEICO - Go to geico.com and in 15 minutes you could be saving 15% or more on car insurance. EUROPEAN WAX CENTER - Visit waxcenter.com and book your reservation today. All first-time guests get their first first wax free! MODERN FERTILITY - Go to modernfertility.com/offthevine for $20 off the test. STRAIGHT TALK - Get the $45 unlimited talk, text, and data plan with no contract on America’s best networks for up to 50% less!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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lots of wine Get ready to shake things up. Here's Caitlin. Welcome to Off the Vine. I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow. I love today's episode because I got the chance to sit down with a woman who wears so many hats, literally and figuratively. She's a mom of two boys, a wife, a fashion designer, a philanthropist, investor, and the founder of The Zo Report, a curator-in-chief, a writer, an overall badass businesswoman. My gosh, that's a lot.

I'm impressed to say the least. I'm talking about Rachel Zoe, and I am so excited for you guys to hear our conversation all about her success, her adorable family, her long, long lasting marriage, as well as everything about her personal style, her podcast, what's in her closet, where she gets inspiration from. And I just think it's an overall really fun conversation. So sit back, relax, and I hope you enjoy. Hi. Hi, how are you? I'm so good. how are you i'm good please don't laugh i just very admittedly am getting a manny petty because i have a

shoot for curator tomorrow that's amazing and it just it just had to be my kids are in school in the house and they're definitely going to run through while i'm talking to you at some point but it's just okay oh my gosh that i was literally thinking when i came on i'm like how do you have time for anything like you i don't so many things but that's why you you make time you're getting a petty while you do a podcast. You just got to do six things at once. It's just the only way I think I know how to roll at this point. Like, I don't know. It's like a weird thing. Like I, it's strange. Like I was putting my kids to bed last night and they kind of fight over like who gets more of mommy, like which side. And I get this part. I get this arm. I lie on this. I did a duh. You know, and it's so they and I'm lying there. And I'm like, I have a hundred emails they need to return. So as they're kind of dozing off, I'm trying to do that. And then my mom, like, it was just one of those things. And I just was like, I think this is just what it is.

Like, I just have one of those moments. Like, I think it just is what it is, you know? That's, you're just superwoman. Like, moms are always, I always say moms are just heroes in general. But like, you own businesses. You have so many things going on. You have a podcast coming up. You've written books.

You've just like got so many things going on. And moms just figure it out. Well, I think women in general, we just do what we have to do. And you just figure it out. like what you're doing right now, just multitasking, putting the kids to bed, going through your hundred emails after. You just get it done somehow. You just, it's like that's kind of, I think, what it is. You just have to get it done. And you know, it needs to be done. And I think you're correct as women. It's just how we operate. And I think that we have a gift, you know, listen, I love men,

so I'm not someone that's going to put men down. Yeah. But I do think that we have an insane ability to multitask in a way that they can't. And I really do. I think they can be really good at certain things, but they can't, from what I've seen, I've rarely seen men, certainly in my life, be really good at a lot of things at once. Right. So it's just like overwhelming for them. It's so crazy because I was actually thinking my boyfriend has been so great because

he's writing a book right now, trying to like run his businesses. And he's been taking care of the dogs while I'm filming other things. Right. And I come home and the house is clean and he like has made dinner. I'm like, it's, I'm very invested by him. That's sweet. It is sweet. I'm like, I need all the tips in the world from you, though, because how, wait, how many years you've been married 20?

Oh, my God. Five? We've been married. Well, we're married 23. 23. And this August 29th, we will be celebrating 30 years together. Wow. I mean, that is so incredible.

Every time I say it out loud, I'm like, oh, my God. And part of me wants to kind of throw up a little because it just means we're old. But then people are like, when did you meet? I'm like, kindergarten. We were six. I was six. He's so much older than me. I feel like that's for my grandparents actually met in kindergarten and like stop.

Yes. And they were instantly like so close and they never dated anyone else. And they were together. My grandma passed when she was 93 and my grandpa passed when he was 95 and they just lived a full happy life. Like the notebook couple. You know, my mom had to walk home from the. movie theater after watching that movie because she was sobbing so hard. I think I cried for a week. And I still cry every time I watch it. Like I can't even watch the end because it's too hard. It's too

hard. Yeah, I think it really hit home from my mom. But it made me cry too just because it did really remind me and it was just the sweetest love story. And I'm like, that's what you guys have. You have that sweet love story. You're so sweet. That knew you are. You're so sweet. You know, Listen, we, we have basically grown up together. Yeah. It's weird. Like I, I remember my life without him, but like, I don't remember an adult life without him. You know, like, anything since, like, my freshman year of college, you know what I mean?

Everything else was like my before life, right? Yeah. That's, that's amazing, though. And, and I mean, through, I was going to say, how is a relationship through COVID for you? But really, you've survived everything with this person. Listen, you know, I tell. people and you know we talk about it on our podcast I mean I very admittedly we live and die for each other we do and but we also bicker yeah like Lucy and Ricky you know we do but we have you know everyone

who knows us it's like they have the quickest recovery time yeah of anybody because at the end of the day we we live for each other and we know that that there's no question about that but when you're literally on top of each other you parent together you CEO together you I mean we everything together. We're never not together. So it's sort of like, it almost wouldn't be okay if we didn't bicker. Do you know what I mean? Oh, absolutely. So I think in that regard, I'm like a homebody. So in that sense, I was okay because I think so much of my career, my life and everything else is going out and being with hundreds of people and like being out and about for the last, what, 20 years of my life, right? Right. So I think to not have to leave my kids and, you know, have that pressure to like constantly be getting ready and constantly going out and constantly going to work events, constantly going to work dinners and meetings. And like, you know, that I think for me was really good. I think for Roger, I think he needs to be out. He's like a dog a little bit. Like he needs to get out. Like he likes to be home, but he also needs to get out.

So he, I, he's the funniest thing. He was like, he would do like 19,000 steps a day, literally, like on his, on his, without even knowing it. Just around the house or just outside? He would literally just walk out the door and go for an insane, like, walk for like two hours while he's like rolling calls and stuff. Wow. That is so my boyfriend. He is the same way. I often reference him to a golden retriever.

Yeah. listen i think men have a quality of animals they need air they need food they need water they need love and the rest is up to us that's a really good point and you have two boys of your own that are the sweetest things on planet earth i saw them walk you out to a rose garden for valentine's day that they planted for you and they say the sweetest things about each other and they're just adorable like you guys are just crushing it as parents right on you just right on cue oh my i was just talking about you look at them because are we live right now

oh sweet he said hi i'm caius hi kaius hi kaius i'm kaius i'm kaitlin and i love your name bye bye bye bye bye bye it's so that was right on cute i i i by the way i prepped you there's a good chance there was going to be a pass-through at some point. I love chaos and I function in chaos. I think that's just how it is. It's just how it is. So the boys, listen, they are my whole world.

I mean, I don't even know what else to say. Like, I can't possibly love anything more than them. There's no world in which I can, like, love or care or breathe anything the way I do them. You know, like it just, they're my whole, I go to sleep with them. I wake up with them, which I shouldn't, but I do. do whatever you do listen it's going to end it's going to end skyler just turned 10 i have minutes with him left it's true and it's hit and then it goes so quickly doesn't it you know i think he'll always be a good sweet loving boy but at some point he's not going to want to sleep with mom

i don't know but boys are boys always seem to have a bond with their mom like jason still talks to his mom every single day got every time we visit they are so affectionate and so sweet And I feel like it's just a mother-son bond that you clearly have with them. It's, you know, it's weird. It's a friend of mine told me when I was pregnant with Sky because I was having a bit of a panic attack that I was having a boy and not a girl

and I didn't really know how to do boy. Yeah. You know, I knew I spoke girl really well, but I didn't really speak boy very well. And so I was like, I don't know what to do. And she said, you don't have to do anything. It's like a love affair that, like, is an indescribable love affair

between a mother and son. And I can't tell you what it is. It's just a magic that happens. and it really never changes, you know? Yeah, you're right. Don't worry about it changes. She's been right. So far she's been right.

So let's see. That's, I love that. Now back to Off the Vine with Caitlin Bristow. And obviously we have to dive into fashion. I have zero fashion game. My girlfriends used to make. Your t-shirt's so cute. Well, thanks.

The only reason I have some fashion is because brands will send me stuff. And I'm like, oh. Like I have no style to pick it out myself and I've always been that way. Like when I was, I remember being 20, I think I was 22 and I was living with my girlfriend and I walked out of my room one time. She was like, you're not going anywhere like that. And I would wear, I'm not kidding you, I would wear like a sweatpants skirt with a jean skirt over top and then roll the sweats, the sweat skirt over the jeans. You're from Canada, aren't you? Yes.

All my Canadian friends say over top. Oh, really? Yes. as opposed to like over it or on top you guys say over top wait that's so that's one I've never heard because I mean so many things come up of living in the states after five years now and that I've never heard was one of our top it's a Canadian thing it is a hundred percent I have about five or six friends from Canada yeah and they all say over top it's a thing oh now I'm going to notice that that's so fascinating I love hearing the differences and I did not know that was one of

them but yeah i did i rolled it over top and i would wear like lime green bejeweled sandals and then i thought well if if my shoes are lime green then i have to match everything else so my talk would be lime green i would wear big lime green hoops and i wore like a lip gloss that looked like i hope you have this documented do you have this documented good i have a picture of this exact outfit because i thought i looked fire and over the years of just like i guess from you know knowing brands and clothing lines and said, I've gotten a little better, but you are obviously just this icon. And I would love to just be in your closet and see your closet.

And like, how do you keep things organized in there? I typically do it once or twice a year. Yeah. With either me and my team who really kind of like know me, know my archives, like really know what I'm going to want in the main closet and then like what goes in the archives. the weird thing about me because my entire life

before children was fashion I could tell you this story behind every single piece of clothing that I own really vintage or new but vintage I could tell you exactly where I got it

what part of the world what vintage store in Paris you know like everything I was my children you know they were my children and you know now they live in a special place

in my archives and they come out for special occasions yeah if you want to come over some day and play. It's super fun. I would love to. I won't leave. People that come to my house just kind of hide out and they get lost. I would. But it's, but you know, here's a thing. I built my, my most recent business curator for, for the reason that you're speaking of, which is trying to curate and

create an easier life for women in their process of living their best life and yeah, kind of creating a more, like, accessible, glamorous lifestyle for themselves. And, you know, my mission was always really to empower women to live their best lives, but live it in style. And when I say style, that doesn't mean a ball gown. That doesn't mean stilettos. That doesn't mean a full face of makeup and huge earrings. Yeah.

That just means, like, find your happy place, find your uniform, find what works for you. And that should be your go-to. And in your closet, you should have that space and that place where, like, these are my go-to things. I know these work. I know I love them. And these are going to be the things that I have on rotation for the season, for this time of year, for work, for play, for whatever.

This is my favorite black leather pants, my favorite skirt. You know what I mean? And these are my favorite jeans that I know always look good at me. Yeah. These are my fat jeans. These are my, like, M.S. You know, it's like you at, but you have to, like, have that and make it easier for yourself you know and that's what because i was going to ask you about your luxury box and tell me again

what it's called curator curator and that is that no it's listen it's called curator which is french for the curator or to curate and the idea is that we had a business it was called the box of style we grew this incredible loyal community of women that loved the box of style so what we did is take the box of style and change the name to Curator because I wanted to take women beyond just the box. And the box was five incredible items valued at between $500 and $700 per season. And you're getting incredible luxury fashion and beauty items. But now in Curator, once you become a member, not only do you get your seasonal box, your curation, but you also unlock incredible member benefits for the shop where you shop incredible designer,

vintage, and new things that I carry in the shop, that you can buy incredible discounts only as a member. There's also the collective where we do incredible partnerships with amazing brands like Sakara Life or Kaylee Fitness or Megan Roup or any of these amazing partners that we have that you get exclusive discounts when you sign up and all of these amazing privileges that you get as a member of Curator only. And it's incredible.

That's amazing. It's like an entire women's lifestyle. kind of membership program. Think of it like a centurion, Amic Centurian program for women, you know, with lifestyle rather than airline tickets. Yeah, that's so smart.

And like, did you say, I think you said this? It's seasonal, you said. It's seasonal, but you sign up for an annual. You can,

you know, and then once you do that, you can go in and shop, you know, shop in the membership shop anytime you want. That's really smart. I love that.

It's great. And it's just going to get bigger and bigger and more benefits and more, you know, more rewards. It's just going to be like this incredible women's lifestyle program because I want to curate every part of a woman's life. I want to tell them how to live. I want to make it easier. I want it to be at a price. I want them to value. And I want to guide them because what you said is what I hear from almost every woman I meet, no matter how successful they are, they're like, I'm lost. I don't know where to do this. I don't know where to work out.

I don't even know what kind of probiotics to take. I don't know how to set my dinner table. I don't know how to dress for my first day on the new job. I don't know how to dress to meet my boyfriend's parent, you know, whatever it is. So my goal is really to try and help as many women as I can in every area of their life. Gosh, I could really use you. You even get like the setting the table. I'm like, yeah, I have no idea. I just throw us together.

Like, where can everyone go to find this kind of, like, is it on your- You go to curator.com. Go to curator.com and, you know, enter our world. We have such an incredible community of women. I bet. And I promise you, you know, by coming in, there's just endless amounts of benefits that you're going to get. And of course, follow us in social.

Our social is so beautiful at Curator. I can only, wait, I'm going to go follow it right after this. I see you are, A, T, you are. Okay. That's, it's beautiful when you say it, not me. I'm like, pure French. I feel like you would, though, in Canada now. You would think so, but I grew up kind of more on the West Coast where we didn't, I mean,

I took French and. school but I it's like no I I know more German than I do French doesn't matter I wish I could because I went to I love Paris and I've been there a few times and every time I'm like oh it's like a dream like I know thinking of going there and speaking French and ordering your coffee and oh but you know what I feel like even if we spoke fluent French theirs would be better and they would know we're American anyway it's so true I I would always get shamed in Germany for trying to speak right that's the Because they could speak English too, and I would like try so hard because I thought it was like out of respect I wanted to at least try and they're like, just don't, just don't. I know. No, I mean, listen, I try and speak, you know, fluent Spanish sometimes to a lot of Spanish speaking people in my life. And they will be really sweet. But they also give me that like, I'm like, didn't I just say that perfectly? But I know. I know.

You're listening to Off the Vine with Caitlin Bristow. And you have just, like I said earlier, just so much on the go. What are you the most excited for this year? I always want to know, like, is there any sneak peeks or secrets of any, like, style that's coming up that you know about? You know, I think this year's going to be super interesting because I think people coming out of, you know, it's funny, I go back and forth. I have a split feeling about this. Okay. I think people are either going to stay casual for life.

Yeah. Because they realize what the other side feels like. Yeah. And they realize that sort of this corporate look that they had to live in no longer has to be. Right. Because people are not demanding that people come back nine to five anymore five days a week. Right. I keep speaking to all my fellow kind of peer, CEOs, entrepreneurs, and every single one of them is like,

we will never see the five day a week nine to six again. We just won't. There's going to be a new world of that. And so I think that dressing will probably affect that and be affected by that. And I think we're going to see casual. But then the flip side of me says people are going to party like it's 1999. And they're literally going to be in sequence head to toe for brunch on a Sunday. Because they're so excited to get out of their like sweats.

So I think there's going to be, I really think there will be both people. I really do. I think some people will stay cash and some people will go full on for no reason at all. Yeah, you're right. It's probably going to be a mixture of both. I personally will probably stay casual because that's just who I am. But I also like- Well, you got to stay who you are, you know.

But also I'm filming right now for Bachelorette, so we get to dress up a little bit like we did a rose ceremony the other night. And I hadn't gotten all glammed up like that in a while. And I was like, wait, I actually really enjoyed it. So if I have something to do- because- Well, because I, the reason about, asking is because, you know, I've done a lot of photo shoots and stuff over COVID, obviously, like, carefully and at home and like with my tightest crew, but there was moments

of, oh, God, I literally, like, forgot how to do this, like, full face of makeup and full, you know what I mean? And like, yeah, like nine inch heels and like didda, da, da, da, and like getting my, you know, like sort of dusting off the, you know, the dust, I guess. But like, part of me was like, okay, I remember why I love this. And then I took it off and put my robe on. I was like, where are my children? I need to love at my kids right now. So I have, I have mixed. And I've spoken to some really super powerful people over the last, like literally

even just the last week, one of the most powerful people, a guy, in fact, in the industry. And he looked at me and he's like, Rachel, I can't, can't go back to the way it was. Really? I can't go back to the two, three events a night. I can't go back to like being on a plane every few days. I can't go back to like not seeing my kids for yeah you know X amount of time and I do think like the psychology of people has changed and I don't think it will go back in that sense how they dress for it let's see I do think we're going to continue to see luxury casual yeah I do okay good

because I'm into that but like that's it's interesting that you said that because I was thinking about just the psychology behind staying home or realizing how good. good that it was for everybody's mental health to pump the brakes and sit back and just, you know, not be so go go, do this, do that, be here, be on traveling. It really takes it out of you. Leaving kids, leaving boyfriends or girlfriends, leaving, you know. So when you're forced to take a step back and kind of relax and be able to still do other things from home, but have quality time with people you love, have good conversations and

And just, you know, just not moving full speed has really done wonders for people's mental health. And the thought of going back to that chaotic life of go, go, go gives a whole new level of anxiety to people. A hundred, a hundred. It definitely does. And I think it'll be, it'll be interesting to see how life restores. It'll be interesting to see how people go back in in terms of, like, hosting events and like, you know, and how big things they'll be. Like Coachella and things that, you know, it. Right. Let's see. Let's see. Baby steps, I guess, right? It's definitely going to be interesting. And I know you said, you just want to put your robe on and crawl into bed. But I saw you crawl into bed with a full face of makeup and a gown on. And that was hilarious. I do that a lot. I'm this very weird juxtaposition of myself. I'm, you know, I think people would think that I'm like the two hour getting ready person and the like, think about what I'm going to wear for two days. And like, I literally, if you ask anyone in my life, I,

I decide what I'm wearing probably 10 minutes before I leave. Really? I do like a 10 minute makeup routine at best. I'm very on the fly. I wing almost everything in my life. I always have. I don't like to prepare because I think it really alters my thinking. I don't like, you know, even coming in to talk to you,

I didn't really want to know what anything you would ask me or anything because I think all a sudden you start to overthink things. You start to plan and you're not really who you are, right? I'm the exact same way. My boyfriend, I could not be more opposite in this way because I love to wing everything. I'm the same way. I'll just slap makeup on within 10 minutes to go. I will like, like last night, it was such a late night.

I just came home and I slept in my full makeup and my hair. I can't do. I didn't brush my teeth. It was just gross. And I was like, I felt great this morning. And the same thing with podcasting. If I'm a guest on someone's podcast or if I go to do an interview or even filming stuff for Bachelorette, I'm like.

just let me go in and do my thing because I think that's kind of what I pride myself on is is being authentic and and Jason is such a planner but that's him like that works for him and he wants to know what questions he's going to be asked and he wants to be prepared and he is a scorpio yeah they need to know what's up is that is that what are you winging is not great for scorpios oh that's so interesting I love and I'm a Gemini what are you Virgo I got to know but I but I still need to I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't script anything. Even when I was doing the Rachel's O project, they would try and like prep me for like what they want,

what they do, and I'd be like, oh, well, or they would like want me to say hi to whoever was like coming on the show or whatever. And I was like, no, no, I want to see anybody. Save it. I want to see anybody. Save it. Yeah.

Save it because that's your like organic content. And I think once people start to rehearse things, whatever, just everything becomes fake. And I mean, that's not a chance. lose that authenticity and I think people see through that too. I think you know you've you've obviously been working for you for years and that's what people expect from you and it's what makes people relatable at the same time and that's what feels real and I think especially these days people are craving just realness and and people showing up like authentically. You got to be though that's a thing

I think to your point I think people see through it. I know people that are full of it. It's true. It's so true. They really can. And that's, so tell me about your podcast because if you're not like and being scripted, are you going to wing your podcast? Are you going to, oh, yeah, we wing it. Yeah. I love that. Tell me about it. So it's called works for us. And it's with Roger and I. And it's, it's, it's a couple of things. You know, listen, people have been asking for the Rachel, so, the Rachel's project back literally since the show stopped. Yeah. And obviously, I've launched a bunch of businesses. I've kids like filming nine months out of the year very challenging and i think that you know we've been hearing since i guess podcast launch you got you need a podcast and ultimately the thing that roger

and i get asked several times a day by strangers but if you want to how god's name to you guys last 30 years yeah working together living together raising kids together in a pandemic together And sometimes I'm like, oh, but like, because sometimes I'm like, I actually am like, I, I, I'm actually a little bit in shock too. But but the truth is, I can't imagine life without him. And so what we realized is that that was something that really is a rare thing. And we're not delusional about that. You know, most of his friends are divorced. Most of his friends are divorced.

My sister's divorced. Many of my friends are divorced. And we're by no means relationship coaches, counselors, experts. But we do know what works for us. And what we do know is that everyone in life is in a relationship, not necessarily a marriage or whatever. There's best friends. There's mother daughters. There's coworkers.

But everyone struggles with relationships of some kind. And so that really brought us to works for us. And we have interviewed some incredible people that some are married, some aren't, some are same-sex couples, some are best friends, some are siblings. It's been really amazing. It's been the funniest, like, laughing so hard. And people are very candid. Yes. And I like, and there definitely are some themes to it, which is really interesting for Roger and I to sort of like take away.

And I think that relationships are hard. They shouldn't be in a marriage, in my opinion. it shouldn't be hard. It should actually be the easiest thing in your life. And I think that's some of the confusion. And again, I'm no expert. But I do think that every relationship, no matter what kind of relationship,

has its own magic potion that makes it work. And so the root of works for us is trying to figure out what does work for whoever it is that we're talking to. And that's really the genesis of the podcast is we know what works for us, kind of, but we want to know what works for you. And it's been amazing.

It's been really fun. And how many episodes have you launched? It launches April 20th. Oh, I can't wait. And we're so excited. It's been really fun. I mean, you know, I don't have to tell you. It's really fun.

It is fun. I don't know. Something about podcasting, I think, that people let their guards down because you're not sitting in a chair on a stage, you know, under lights in front of an audience. And, you know, it just, you feel like you can just let it go. And you can. Yeah. And I've really loved it.

And we laugh. Oh, my God. There are some bloopers. Off the Vine with Caitlin Bristow. That's why I get my guest to confess on every podcast because that's, again, it's always something relatable. It's always something funny. It always makes me laugh.

And people love hearing somebody's secret that they're like, oh, I have to, you know, and people share some pretty crazy stuff with me. And I feel like you have some amazing stories in your life. You've seen the world. You've seen some stuff. You know, I need to know what your confession is. I always say, if I could write a book, but without names. Yeah, me too.

Well, in my early years as a stylist working with, like, the biggest pop stars in the world. Yeah. I had, there was a costume designer that told me to, get leather pants made for stage at this certain place and I didn't like where where those were and I didn't like what they look like. So I had them made in a sort of by a designer, sort of luxury designer who knows how to really make beautiful things. And we, they were amazing. And she got up on stage at Madison Square Garden and went to perform. And there I was backstage. We're all cheering her on. And lo and behold, split right down the middle. No.

sure did right in that area sure did was she mad she wasn't thrilled it was not a great it was not a great moment for me it was definitely the moment and i was really young and um i hadn't had a styling disaster as yet yeah um bound to happen but they are yeah they are and of course it had to happen at madison square going into a full stadium oh wow yeah that's not a small way not i i just remember literally like walking into the bathroom hysterical and calling Roger and being like, I'm done. I'm literally never working again. Like it's over. I am done and I am dead.

And then literally the next day I got like the biggest styling job of my entire career and like no one even, it weirdly just never got talked about again. And weirdly that client like stayed with me. And I think I think ultimately it got sort of chalked up as like they weren't made well. And she did a move that was maybe more of a gymnastics type. thing that maybe in leather pants might not have been a perfect storm of all things. Nonetheless, I felt responsible and it was definitely my, I felt fully, fully, um, responsible. It is tricky because I mean, there's probably, I bet everyone in the styling world has a story. I remember going to

the Emmys, I think it was. Yeah, I went to the Emmys a couple years ago. And the zipper on my dress broke. And it was a like really, really, really long zipper. And my butt crack was showing. And it was popped open completely. And I had to sit through the whole thing and walk out. Oh, my gosh. And right at the end, they're like, oh, you can move forward. Like some people left. You guys can move forward. So I had to like walk down. You can't. It's just you want to die inside. Yeah, I did. It's literally like that moment where you're like, it's over now. Yeah. It's so hard. And then I'm, I'm on Instagram. I thought it was hilarious. But then the designer was like, why did you share that? Right. Because it shows that they're quality is crap. Exactly. And it was so funny because I actually had to have the zipper replaced on it because I wanted a different zip. It was my fault. But of course, the designer has to take the blame for, oh, I felt terrible, but it was funny. Listen, I like anything in life, I think you have to take humor in most things, especially after a year like we've had. Yes. I definitely find humor in things that may have in my earlier life seemed like the end.

you know like so true i'm the same way i think you're right everyone has to okay i've got a quick game for you before i let you go okay it's called zo or no and i'm going to take you through some trends and tips when it comes to fashion you have to tell me if you're up for it aka zo or it's a hard no okay okay okay mixing patterns so but done correctly okay allah masoni take cues from masoni for those that are confused okay that's i would i always see people do it in like well obviously like if a model did it i'm like oh my gosh that is so cool and then if i tried to do it i'm like yeah listen it's it's not for the new okay okay got it it's not an easy thing to do i can tell you what about bucket hats

on children and older okay so uh this is so funny because i thought you would say know because I feel like they're going out, but my company is actually putting out a line of bucket hats. But we, but we, yeah, but they'll be cool. But that's it. We actually did like a, um, a poll to see if people would want them or not. And people were going crazy over it. Okay.

I'm going to tell you why. Okay. Here's the thing. So here's my approach to trend in fashion. Okay. I believe you take trends, you interpret them for yourself. Mm-hmm. Dues and don'ts to me don't really exist anymore.

I do think, I do think, because I really feel that style is your best form of self-expression. And I really stand by, it's the best way to say who you are without having to speak. I do think there are things that can look tragic. Yes. And really not okay. But I do think, like, for example, would I tell you to go into your closet and start mixing patterns and prints? Probably not. Right.

Because it is, it really does take time and skill to. really do it right. It's not an easy thing to do. It's not an easy thing to do in a home in furniture and stuff. It's not an easy thing to do in your look. So, um, so I say it's okay, but like look at Masoni, look at at Trow. Look at, you know, look at the experts and then do it yourself. So just take practice. That's a good tip. But I don't want to say don't do it. Okay. You know? Okay. Um, that and I think with bucket hats like, I love them on my kids. They've worn them and they're babies because they really protect you, you know? I look like I'm seven when I wear one and not in a good way, you know?

So, but again, like, I feel like if you put on one, you're going to look so cute. So I don't want to say no, but it wouldn't be my gut reaction to it would not be Zoe. Okay. But then I'm going to get your line and be like, those are so cute. Okay. So that's fair. That's fair. I thought you were going to say a hard no, so I'm happy with that.

No, definitely not a hard. No. Okay. What about tiny sunglasses? Love them. I can't do it. Beatles forever. I don't look good in tiny sunglasses.

I don't know if it's my face shape or what. I don't know. It could be. And that's the thing. They're not for everybody. Yeah. They're not for everybody. And that's why sunglasses are a challenge.

And I think that's why Warview Parker came out with the most genius business model of buying a bunch, keep what you want or pick a few. Because you don't know. You have to try them on. everybody, for every friend I have, everyone has a different face shape and a different sunglasses style. And some people only wear cat eyes. Some people won't touch it. Some people only do wayfair. Some people will only do aviator. So for me, I love them. I love them. I also love them like on the beach. So you don't have like half your face gets hand and half

you know, that's where the bucket hat's coming. Protect your face. What about the whole TikTok skinny gene debate? Okay. I was going to bring that up and I'm glad you did. Because here's the thing. I didn't even know about it. And I was in an interview with someone and she said to me, of course you have the middle part. Of course you're wearing wide-like jeans.

And I said, what are you doing? And she said, you're because of the meme. And the thing and the TikTok. I'm like, what are you talking about? She's like, there's a whole thing going around that you're completely lame and out of style if you have a side part and skinny jeans. And she's like, I know for fact. you don't own skinny jeans.

And then I was talking to the hometic girls. And they were like, of course, you've always had a middle part. And I know for a fact, you don't know skinny jeans. And I said, and so I was like, okay, my answer to that is totally not true. Totally not true. Okay. And if you looked at the most beautiful red carpet looks, most of them were deep side parts, first of all. I mean, Grace Kelly.

I mean, like need I go on? I think it's what works with your face shape. I think it's all in how you style it. Yeah. I would never tell anybody not to wear a side part. That's crazy. Yeah. I mean, Veronica Lake.

I mean, what, like, come on. I love a side part. You love a good deep side part. I think it's just how you do it, right? Yeah. Then I think the skinny gene thing, I don't wear skinny jeans because I don't like them on me and I never have. I never have. I never have.

I don't like them on me. They make me look really short. And also, I only like them if I'm wearing like a thigh high boot over them. Like, I use them more like a legging. Yeah. but it's never been my preference but that said i have stood by and said for the last at least 10 years maybe 15 one woman's wide leg is another woman skinny that's so true you've got to find your gene language and do what works best for your body what you're most comfortable in

i would never put a line in the sand like don't wear skinny jeans that's crazy to me some people look best in skinny jeans that's crazy i just don't even i don't ever wear jeans which is okay well there you go you don't even have to worry i'm just so bad i just love wearing either like athleisure wear i love by the way let me tell you something i think the overriding theme of the pandemic was no denim yeah i thought my boyfriend was absolutely insane when he would put on jeans i was like what's wrong with you we've got to talk about this roger and i both have had are i am very orthodox in the covid world meaning like i really i really um didn't leave my house very much like I really stuck to lock down real tight you and you got to see your family which was so nice

I did after 15 months yes I'm going on month 15 without seeing my family and it's the worst thing ever so that's so I loved that you got it was for your son's birthday right it was and my kids just I think like for me I like couldn't let go of them I just kept hugging them and like my kids then you know the same you just I have such a close family family. And it's weird because I speak to my parents every day. I'm on the phone with my mom before bed probably for at least an hour every single night. Yeah. And same with my sister. And, you know, so in that sense, I've still felt so connected, but there's something about just like being next to them that isn't can happen remotely. It can't. And, you know, I think that's been the saddest part,

certainly for me, but I think, you know, all these people that have been torn from their families and, And just this whole year, if you think about how hard that is for us, think about the medical workers, think about, you know, it's all so crazy. And I think it was really extraordinary. And, you know, it's, I don't know, it's been amazing. And I think, you know, kind of coming out of it a little bit and just kind of getting out there. And, you know, Roger was like, I haven't worn jeans in so long. And every one of my friends is like, first pair of jeans in a year. Like, you know, so I think jeans were sort of the first thing to go. It was funny because I said, that we were going to go out for dinner because restaurants opened up in L.A. And my older son, Skyler, was like, okay, I want to go as long as I don't have to put jeans on. Really? Just don't make me put jeans on. See, that's funny. That's, it's like wide leg or just no jeans.

That's the trend for me. Yeah. I mean, I just am most comfortable. But I also think it's because I'm not a casual denim person. For me, wide legs have always been more like a trouser for me, like a, a wide, like, pan as opposed to, like, you know. Yeah. No, I feel you on that.

Last question I have for you, it's spring cleaning time. What should people get rid of in their closets and maybe not get rid of? It's hard to know because I feel like nobody got to wear anything this year. So I feel like don't spring clean anything unless you're really over it. Okay. I know that's not a fun answer, but I feel like we're just getting to wear things again. Yeah. So hold on and all this stuff you bought last year before lockdown.

it's like all new again. Yep. Save yourself some money. Or support the economy and shop. That's so true. Yeah, you know what, you can't go wrong. That's a good, I like that advice, though, to not, because there are so many. I hired a stylist for the first time in my whole life to come and clean through my closet

and get me some new pieces. It was one of the best things I've ever done in my life, but I don't think I had done that before. Like, she was like, really think about if you want this or not. I got rid of so many things. in my closet. It's the greatest feeling ever. It really is. And now I only have things that I wear. First, you cry a little river. Yeah, a little one. Yeah, just a little puddle. And, and, and now I go into my closet and it's so much easier to pick out an outfit because heaven. Yeah, it is. It's heaven.

It's heaven. Thank the, I think the Home Edit Girls. And then also, there's an incredible woman in L.A. who has a business. Kendra Cole. She's incredible. She helped me move to my new home and she was life-changing. Really? I got to podcast with the Home Edit Girls a while back. I just, just they're so funny too like so helpful and so funny and so sweet that's amazing well thank you so much for taking the time i mean i know you have a million things going on so i really appreciate you taking the time and then just would love if you told everyone where to find your podcast and everything that you've got i know it's probably all on your instagram but yes oh my god works for us go to apple spotify or anywhere that you listen to all of your other podcasts you can find me and roger on

works for us, April 20th. We're so excited. I'm so excited to listen to that. I think that's a really good idea for a podcast. And I think so many people, like you said, whether it's a relationship at work with your family, with a partner, everyone can benefit from listening to it. It's really fun. Let me know if you need anything. Great to meet you. So nice to meet you too. Have such a good day. I'm Caitlin Bristow. I'll see you next Tuesday. Thanks for listening to Offba Vine with Caitlin Brisco. Get new episodes every Tuesday exclusively on podcast.1.com, the Podcast One app, and subscribe on Apple Podcasts. Who's doing with OTV?