Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Shawn Johnson and Andrew East

Episode Date: February 13, 2020

Former Olympic Gymnast Shawn Johnson and NFL player Andrew East join Kaitlyn and Jason for a very special episode of Off the Vine! Shawn and Andrew have their own podcast, Couple Things, wher...e they interview other couples and share real and embarrassing stories with guests. In this crossover event, the couples discuss their dynamics within their relationships and how to nurture a healthy relationship. They talk about their obsession with board games, The Bachelor and why it’s important to test your relationship by getting a dog! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:01:33 Wait, why is it special? Because it's with you guys. Oh. We have Caitlin. Okay, I don't want to butcher. Bristow. Yes. And Jason Tardick. You got it. Okay. It took me longer to get her last name. He always called me Caitlin Bristow. Bristow. It's like a lot. It kind of sounds like New York, though. Yeah. Yeah, maybe it's in New York and me coming out. It comes out a lot. But yeah, burst out. I was like, if we're going to date, you need to learn how to pronounce that up. Yeah. That's going to have to be a thing. But yes, also a special podcast because it's also going on yours. Yeah, it's a double whammy coming at you. Yeah. Off the Vine podcast. I think we're just making it easier on everyone here. So we'll just release the same one. But you have to go to both
Starting point is 00:02:16 and listen to the full thing. Of course. We have double date, double whammy. We're doing it all. It's Valentine's Day. Yeah. Yeah. Tell you what. What a beautiful thing. Sean has never been so nervous slash excited. She was pacing in front of the front door. She might be acting cool now. She's like so excited. She's like, I just want to be friends with them. Don't mess it up.
Starting point is 00:02:35 Well, good, because I kind of feel the same way. I'm like, do I force the friendship, like, or do I act cool? I'm not sure. I was saying that too. So I just came from the gym and I was in the sun. I'm like, I'm pissed. I'm all sweaty right now. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:02:46 Like, what are we're going to have? She's just for that. Yeah. Can you swear on this? Probably not. Yes. Oh. You never know.
Starting point is 00:02:53 You never know. So you were, You used to be a spin class instructor. It was very brief, but yeah, I got my certificate, did the whole thing, started teaching, but that was like right when I went on The Bachelor, so I had to stop, but I still love it. The intensity that, like the vibes I'm getting from you, I kind of want you to kind of like. Oh, you can see it? Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 00:03:13 Yeah. Four corners. Wait, did you do Soul Cycle? It was like that. It was at a studio in Vancouver. It was called Eastwood Cycle and shout out. And it was, yeah, same style, like the dance style. And I can never keep up with those.
Starting point is 00:03:31 I mean, I didn't move too fast. I danced my whole life, but I'm the same way. And my legs just, they're not strong. And so I would just fake it a lot as a teacher because you can. Like I didn't. Oh, you turn the internet. Yeah. Like, turn it up.
Starting point is 00:03:45 Like, never did. Or I was big on jumping off the bike and hyping up the crowd and like getting in there. Because I'm like, I was getting mad at an instructor to do that because then I'm like, I know, because then you have to do it. But if you had to, like, grade your spinning when you and I do spin classes, like, the waist up for you is just unbelievable with, like, your moves and your head spins and like your rhythm. But sometimes I let my hair down.
Starting point is 00:04:08 Sometimes she'll, like, slow the legs down, but she'll still keep, like, the headbox going. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But do you admit that I am good at faking the legs? Very good at that. Yeah. And then when the lights go really dark, I'm like, oh, I'm not doing anything. All right, everyone's supposed to be going light, gates out. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:23 It's great. I've actually a funny. confession for that one time I was doing um I was at a class in Nashville spinning and I was feeling this Beyonce song it was finally you put my love on top baby and I was doing that and she accidentally switched the song which wasn't supposed to and I went you're the only one that and I like it was dark and the music went out and I was just like hitting the high note but it was a full class I was like does anyone know it's me I don't know I did see a video of you like doing a rap karaoke it was solid
Starting point is 00:04:55 Oh, which one? I don't know what the song is. Where did you find that? It was probably Shoop. I was just say, practice makes perfect. And how many times you done Shoup? I did it as an air band in the sixth grade. I mean, we're talking a hundred times easy.
Starting point is 00:05:06 You've done live performances of Shoup. Oh. Yeah. When I say live, I mean, you know, two people, four people, eight people. Oh, she's like a one hit one. One hit one. Well, you have one other one. Oh, salt and pepper.
Starting point is 00:05:18 No, that's Sal and Pepper. No, what's the other one? You have another one. I do? Yeah. My lovely lady lumps? Yes, that's it. That's it.
Starting point is 00:05:27 So if you're one karaoke song, what you're going to. Is that for a wagon wheel? Wagon wheel. That's a great one. That's a great one. You really pull out your twang when you don't have a twain. Hit it down, Sam. Oh, I know, I know, I know.
Starting point is 00:05:40 Wait, that was really good. Thank you. Sean has never told me in my life that I'm a good singer, so I'm just looking. That was really good. Yeah, thank you. We're here to compliment you. Where are you originally from? Indianapolis.
Starting point is 00:05:52 Oh, okay. He does not have an accent. He just puts it on for the way. wagon wheel. That was good, though. Yes. Well, Sean, what's yours? Your go-to?
Starting point is 00:05:59 I break glass. So. But you got to have one, like, Oh, I thought that was the song. Like, never heard it. Break glass. Break glass. How's that one, though?
Starting point is 00:06:07 You're like, I don't know. Sing a song. I want to hear this now. I couldn't pick one. Come on. A good voice. I don't.
Starting point is 00:06:14 Thank you, though. Well, we'll let you think about it. She gets real shy. Oh. Well, that's what the wines for. Yeah. I, I honestly, I'm not shy. No.
Starting point is 00:06:25 That's a shocker to anyone, but when I'm put on the spot with singing, that's what the one time, I'm like, that's when I freak out. Anything else, I'm like, yeah, just seeing. I'm like, oh, this is so vulnerable. Yeah, it is. While we're opening the wine, I just wanted to, for people that. Spade and Spade and Spare. No, no, no, I'm just saying while you do it, I'm going to, for my listeners. Himp it out.
Starting point is 00:06:48 Yeah, for, no, no, I've already, I've put it out all the time. Spade and Sparrows, add Spade and Sparrows, new wine coming out there. But I want. For the listeners on Off the Vine, if they don't know who you guys are to just explain who you guys are a little bit. My name is Sean. No, my name is Sean Johnson, Andrew East. We're married. I used to be a gymnast back in the day.
Starting point is 00:07:10 Yeah, it's like any gymnast. I competed at the Olympics once and did pretty well. You are a household name as far as I'm concerned. Thank you. And humble. I want four medals. Yes. Pretty cool. It's awesome. Yeah. And then found this handsome.
Starting point is 00:07:31 How did you guys meet? And you, you play football. My name's Andrew. My resume is I'm married to Sean Johnson. Did I open this wine bottle wrong, by the way? No, but you're never supposed to hold the glass like that. We learned that, babe. Come on. I hold. Katelyn didn't chill it. So I don't think of all rules are off. With the wine brand, I'm always like, I'm not, I don't claim to be like a connoisseur. I'm not like, you know, I don't, I can't smell it.
Starting point is 00:07:55 tell you the year. I don't care about how to hold a wine glass. It's not chilled and it's, that's what I want it to be. Wait, have you ever watched the documentary song? It's on my list. It's on my list. I really want to know what you think because I thought it was strange. Oh,
Starting point is 00:08:11 really? Yeah, they literally smelled the wine. They're like, I smell grass. I smell tennis balls. I smell fresh. Literally. Are they being funny or? No, so evidently the whole thing is there's no right or wrong. Yeah. So there actually isn't a flavor or a smell to it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:27 But you have to be able to describe it in a way that, like, I would be like, oh, it actually smells like tennis balls. I know what, whatever. What? But like these connoisseurs. What do you smell in this? Wait, hand me one. Dry January is over.
Starting point is 00:08:41 Oh, thank God. Cheers to that. You did dry January? I did dry January. Yeah. But we're back. We are back. Cheers.
Starting point is 00:08:47 Cheers. Cheers. I, wait. You guys have, okay. Eye contact. Can I? Yeah. Sean's a freak about it.
Starting point is 00:08:55 You have to make eye contact when you cheers. No, with your significant other. Wow. Hats off. Wait, really. Oh, my gosh. Did you do it while you're drinking too? Like, it's got,
Starting point is 00:09:04 you have to do it. No, no, that's weird. Okay, so can I say that? That's intense. Too much. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:08 That just gets weird. Can I say this on our podcast? The word sex? Yeah. There, I just opened. Wow. We need, we need some of the rules. I learned this from the Russians.
Starting point is 00:09:20 Okay. That if you cheers, if you do not look your significant other in the eye, when you cheers, it's bad sex for seven years. Oh, nobody wants that. I know. So that's a long time. So that's like seven bad sexes.
Starting point is 00:09:34 Because we, like, now that we have a kid, it's like, you're far between days. I was like, okay, back at that. Yeah, well, what's our excuse? He just keeps drinking. Yeah, this wine smells like tears. This is really good. This is really good. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:54 We need. You, like, made your own wine. Do you get to, like, sample all these different wines? Yes. But that's scary because at the end of it, I'm like, was I just drunk or was that good wine? I don't know anymore. Do you ever buy wine from, like, Napper or something after you've done a tasting? Yes.
Starting point is 00:10:07 And you're drunk. And then you get home and drink it later. And you're like, this sucks all the time. Because really, just a taste isn't enough because I'll taste any wine and be like, it's great. But to have, like, a full bottle or a glass, you can't just do that. I've done that so many times. We went to Napa for her's birthday. I got tipsy.
Starting point is 00:10:25 Well, it's rude if you don't. We got a lot of wine. We got hammered. We had to pull over on the side of the road so she could. I was going to say, that's a rough goal. It's a rough handle. You got throw up and hangover. Well, wait.
Starting point is 00:10:37 I do confessions on my podcast. Is that your confession? Or do you have a better one? That's a pretty good one right there. I did just throw you under the bus. I know you're like, stop, stop. Stop. I mean, that's a good confession.
Starting point is 00:10:51 You're going to have a good confession. You got to go for it. Well, I mean, it's standard Napa behavior. You'd get drunk and you have a quick little puk and rally. Yeah. Okay. So, like, we had, we had, I was with the Raiders for a little bit, and we had been to Napa before, done the tasting thing. So I kind of knew what to expect, as you should have as well.
Starting point is 00:11:09 We're like, they give you four different wines at every different winery, and we went to four in one day. So I surprised him for his birthday. So we flew up to Napa. Yeah. But we went to four wineries. So that's like a lot of wine, a cumulative. and the whole time I was like just sipping I wasn't finishing each sample but Sean would like reach over she'd be like quit being such a pansy and like chug it for me and then like after the second one
Starting point is 00:11:32 she was buzzing and then after the fourth like we were supposed to have dinner at this really nice place we sit down and like legitimately as soon as a waiter came out to get our drinks she was like Andrew I need to leave oh no so we got an Uber and we didn't make it all the way back before we had to stop. Oh, how'd your ratings do after that one? It's bad, yeah. So a lot of that story sounds exactly like Caitlin and I's relationship, except Pansy, starts with the PNs with a Y.
Starting point is 00:11:58 I'd be called something else. I was. I was. I think he was being nice. He got the same thing. Yeah. Other than that, I think it's bad. You get emotionally abused too.
Starting point is 00:12:07 Oh, yeah. But I like the, I do like the quickly let's go. That is like Caitlin said. Kailen will be like, everything will be great. Hammered life is good. And then boom, it hits this like break red light. Where there is no if. and that's a great thing you know when to go yeah yeah well i should i usually should go before that
Starting point is 00:12:24 but i get to a point where i'm like i can't i can't go anymore i'm out and my move if you ever need a move is um like because people know i just will leave but i mean i'll i can hang and i'll you know i'll drink anyone under the table but when i get to that point my move is to buy everybody's shots and then leave because then they're like well the memory of the morning they're like you know it's probably a little bit later you're not going to really remember too much after a shot, but you remember, oh, Caitlin bought us all shot. It's a great night.
Starting point is 00:12:52 That's really smart. You dip out a lot under the radar because you got a whole system for it. Oh, yeah. The problem is, though, if it hits, like, when we were in New York and it hit the mid-dinner at the Italian place,
Starting point is 00:13:04 like, can't, we just order. She's like, nope, we can't go. No, I had a quick cat nap on the table. You did. It's amazing, though. That can be my question. Wait, I think you went to the, didn't you go to fall asleep?
Starting point is 00:13:15 Didn't you go to the bathroom and fall asleep for like 10 minutes? I think that's what. you did. What? Yeah, you went to the bathroom. And you're on the toilet and you're like, you took like, I can pass out. It was actually incredible because we were with some friends and they set this up.
Starting point is 00:13:29 It's tough to get a reservation here. So you went and you went to the stall and you took a 10 minute nap and you came back like a new person. Everyone's like, I just got a quick nap. It was like you recharge the batteries. No. Swear. Yeah. That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard.
Starting point is 00:13:44 I went to the bathroom and had a nap. I thought I had a nap on the table. No, it was a bathroom. And this sounds like, this sounds like Caitlin went to the bathroom and did a quick line. I did not. Oh, no, no, no, no. No, I did not cross my mind. Oh, that is totally.
Starting point is 00:13:57 I'm like, oh, my gosh, I don't do drugs. If she did, she would admit it. Okay, she tells everything. There's no lying. I didn't even think about that. Okay, good. Oh, no, you actually, like, slept. That is, I mean, I have done that before.
Starting point is 00:14:11 I am a very interesting human being. I was going to say, though, I've been in the position where you, like, go to the bathroom when you're sitting on the toilet and you're just like, wow, I, I could just, take a little schnooser. I hope I wasn't in a romper. That's even more off. Oh, interesting. Do you mean a quick line?
Starting point is 00:14:24 Yeah. That's our code word for life. Schnooser? It's hilarious. So your confession is that you throw it, but you have to tell one now because you can't just, you can't just tell Sean's confession and then think you're going to get away with that. Yeah, exactly. Now I'm embarrassed.
Starting point is 00:14:42 Well, do you, can you think of one and you're just too embarrassed? I got like too boozy? No, just any kind of, any kind of confession. We can also come back if... Yeah, because I have another one. For you. Oh, yeah. Let's go.
Starting point is 00:14:54 Let's just, let's just default to years. Jason is, Jason doesn't really like to embarrass himself, so he never has good confessions. I have had some pretty good confessions. Yes, you have. Yeah. But I don't even know if you know this one. I was recording a dance at, um, the studio Nashville a couple weeks ago. And it's like this really cool dance studio.
Starting point is 00:15:14 They have ones in L.A. And it's like kind of a big deal. And they do really big classes and really, really good. dancers go there and I was recording a video for my scrunchy line and at do edit can you say scrunchy again oh did I say it funny scrunchy yeah you say like no it sounds really cool scrum like like what you say great say great great great I noticed I do it now that's all I know it was it sounds Spanish like you're rolling your arts really fancy yeah oh my gosh I didn't even know scrunch scrunchy oh yeah no can I could catch I mean as long as long
Starting point is 00:15:48 you're saying it's not terrible. And so I'm doing this video and I have a couple outfit changes. And while I'm getting my makeup done, I am like watching these performers practice in a couple of the studios and they were really good. They were like these Broadway performers. And I was like watching on this big screen in the waiting room. Forgetting there was a big screen in the waiting room. I did an outfit change on the big screen on camera while there was.
Starting point is 00:16:14 Let me put up YouTube real quick. I think there is about like. I don't know, maybe eight people in the waiting room, which could have been worse, but still terrible. And, I mean, full naked. Oh, God. No way. Yes.
Starting point is 00:16:29 Yes. Wow. I was, like, telling the camera guy and all the girls, I was like, just, I'm like, I don't care about the girls, but, like, just turn around. I'm like, I've just got to do this outfit change. And I, and it wasn't a cute outfit change. I couldn't get into the pants.
Starting point is 00:16:42 And so I was hopping around, like, scooch it. Scooch in, like, trying to pull up the pants. and then after just like if anyone I'm sure people were watching but as I realized what was happening I was like wow and I just like went behind a curtain and I was like oh boy I was like Cleo I just got completely naked there's cameras now like big screen in the lobby yeah is it's it's it's me you know what after the fact my brain immediately goes great podcast content yeah so there's that you should say those people were lucky yeah well they were yeah they got the And you had a nip slip the other day on Instagram.
Starting point is 00:17:20 Is this, you know what I'm really close to $1.8 million. So, hey, tip you over. It's intentional. I thought that would really get me somewhere. It didn't. All right. So Mr. Chris Harrison was telling me about this crazy party Hulu through in Beverly Hills
Starting point is 00:17:37 with all the biggest reality TV stars from like every show. And now I have to watch the commercials to see what happened like everyone else. I don't usually get FOMO. But in this case, I have extreme FOMO here. Luckily for you, Hulu has the reality TV that you love. So start your free trial today at Hulu.com. I did think of mine as we were saying years. It's somewhat along the same line.
Starting point is 00:18:00 So it was my first time to Iowa when Sean and I were dating. First time meeting her parents and being in her house and meeting our extended family. And we went to a family bowling night where they had like, it was black light bowling. So all the lights were off and just black lights, right. and so everyone knows where it's going now what keep going sure I had like one pair I had like one nice outfit yeah used to do my own laundry in college right
Starting point is 00:18:25 like as opposed to Sean doing it all now and uh and I guess I did it wrong but pouring detergent right on the pants is what I used to do okay I show up the black light bowling and having a great night she has this she has this cousin who's like really loud like won't let you get away with anything nothing and he's like
Starting point is 00:18:44 he's like dude show up the family bowling with some jizz on your pants all. And I look, I looked down and, like, legitimately, like, spotted like this. And I was, like, so embarrassed. It was a beginning of the night. And the rest of the night and I was just, like, sitting down, like. I just trying to have questions. That is incredible.
Starting point is 00:19:03 I have no answers. Okay. Okay. Well, then we'll leave it at that because I'm like, is that a normal thing to get that on your jeans like that? Or I don't know. Just, I mean, you know, remember room Raiders? No. The MTV show Room Raiders or they go into your room and they do the black light.
Starting point is 00:19:20 I mean, it looks like based on that show, it's all over the place. That's true. That's a fair statement. It was a good. It was funny there because it was like it was all down your pants. It was in compromising areas. That's a great confession. The most embarrassing moment I've ever had in.
Starting point is 00:19:38 And then you continued to bowl the entire time. You didn't even go the bathroom time, white, but off nothing. There was none of a white box. It was like, it was. It was in there. Stained. Yeah. Embedded in the fabric.
Starting point is 00:19:48 Like you could have cracked it if you... What is wrong with me? Wow. While bowling, they cracked. Okay, Jason, you're up. That's hilarious. I actually have like two funny, quick stories that are derived from a confession. Great.
Starting point is 00:20:04 So the first one is Caitlin had told a confession. So Caitlin, when she stayed in Seattle once, apparently I didn't have toy, I was at work. I knew you were going to make your confession. something embarrassing for me. Hang on. This is one. This is, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:20:19 Oh, yeah, this is embarrassing for you, but you already told the confession. But this comes full circle. So it's about, so I ran out of toilet paper. So she used, I have washcloth stacked.
Starting point is 00:20:28 She used one of my wash cloths. Yeah. No, I know. I know. No, this comes back to me, though. Gross and out. Okay.
Starting point is 00:20:36 Just pants. Just back. Wait. Can I ask the detail that I feel like maybe number one or number two? Yeah. Two. Okay, yeah. I mean, it's necessary.
Starting point is 00:20:48 It must have been like, I think of the whole full stories, like toilet paper ran out, had to like some finishing touches and used the, which is also embarrassing for you. Anyway, you were like, goes into my toilet paper in the house. The funniest thing is it goes into my laundry. One way or another,
Starting point is 00:21:02 like not too long thereafter. I have like two pink eyes. So, so it's out of control. So, like, I mean like double deckers like I saw like an eye doctor, all this stuff. well yesterday I took so I forgot we did this confession months and months ago like months ago but yesterday I did an ad for this face scrubber I use okay and I genuinely use it every day because of Caitlin well I had literally like well the way I started the end not even thinking about it and I actually mean this I'm like I don't use washcloths anymore because I don't know like hard to press I got my face cleaner and I got so many girls like yeah we know why you don't use your washcloth Mr. Pink Eye like all these stuff That literally just makes me look gross.
Starting point is 00:21:47 Well, that was fun. I can't believe you put it in the watch. I do have one more, though. Where else did you put it? I would throw it out the window in the trash can. I'd burn it. You know, looking back next time, that's what I'll do. That's so funny.
Starting point is 00:21:59 All right. So the next one, this one's more embarrassing for me. We're talking about a confession that it was a story about Caitlin and I, the first time we hooked up when Caitlin was on her period. And as a result of this story. Oh my God. Thank you for telling this. No, no, I'm not, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:22:16 I'm not going that. But as a result of this story, like something happened with some other stuff. And I was, we were just in Canada. And I'm with her dad. And her dad's like, well, how did that all happen? I was like, well, it came from this story and this and that. And he's like, well, what story? So I'm sitting like at 8 in the morning at the breakfast table with Caitlin's dad having to explain why this all came up.
Starting point is 00:22:42 and it was all derived from me hooking up with her daughter on her period and he kept drilling down and I was like, okay and he's like, he's like nicest, sweetest human literally on the planet like most understanding guy I think I've ever met.
Starting point is 00:22:59 I was like Mike, I will explain this but you have to just work with me here. I'm sorry, I can't like looking down I'm like I can't believe him. He's like, oh no, Jason, I've heard it all. Like, don't worry about it. And I sat there, and I had to explain, I was as red as my shirt, sweating, like, so the first, well, you know, your daughter and I, we, like, make out, right?
Starting point is 00:23:23 Like, you're like, yeah, I kind of figured that. Well, you know, we kind of made out. And because of, like, you know, these things that women have that, you know, from a long time ago, we, our clothes were on. And I was, like, so awkward. My dad has two daughters. And I was like, dad, I had my period. And, like, yeah. And he's like, oh, yeah, no worries.
Starting point is 00:23:40 But I'm, like, sitting there trying to. explain it like dying. No, he said, like melting. He said, no, I actually think I did hear about this story. Yeah, he did. I was like, oh, yeah. I was like, you know what? Actually, it's funny.
Starting point is 00:23:50 I did hear about that. Yeah, he goes, someone gave me a shit about that. And I said, he's like, and he never does it. He's like, I said, fuck them. And I'm like, okay, Mike, you get it. So I got my confidence. He doesn't care he's the most genuine understanding man ever. But I was, I was literally melting trying to explain a very simple story because of her dad.
Starting point is 00:24:10 I always like to talk about the dynamic. of relationships where ours is very we're both kind of loud and outgoing and sometimes it's a lot but I feel like just now are you telling it sorry I'm like yeah but wait you're and I'm like trying to step over you do you guys do that or what's your dynamic in your relationship Andrews Andrews the louder one okay I'm the more controlling one probably where a good combination that's it you need one right way to be self-aware babe I yeah That's, hey, I'm a very self-aware person.
Starting point is 00:24:44 But yeah, I'm always trying to, like, finish his sentences and... Yeah, that's not controlling. That's cute. Yeah. But cute to other people. Yeah, for like a day. Yeah. Yeah. What would you say?
Starting point is 00:24:54 What our dynamic is? Yeah. I would say, I would say I'm the louder one for sure. Yeah. Yeah. And who's the romantic one? I would say Sean is. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:06 Sean's super thoughtful. I can see that. If you go on in the master bedroom, I have, like, notes that she's written me, kind of lined up. Oh, which obviously now I'm going to get into love languages. Yes. We always ask love languages too. Okay, great.
Starting point is 00:25:19 You're like, I'm, most friends. Yes. Can't wait. I'm next. Probably physical touch and what's acts of, is it acts of service? Ex-a-service. Yeah. He's words of affirmation.
Starting point is 00:25:32 Yeah. That's me. Big words of affirmation guy. And I'm more acts of service. See, it's weird because I don't need, don't, I don't need you to tell me anything. Just show me. I feel the same way. Oh, see, and I'm like, the other, here's another confession.
Starting point is 00:25:46 But I'm the same way, like, I need just to hear it. Sorry, I'm not the same way. I need to hear it, and I don't really care about showing it. Interesting, yeah. Yeah, and so the other night, the Super Bowl's on, and he's there. And he's not responding to my text. And my text was, holy Shakira is so hot. And then he didn't respond.
Starting point is 00:26:08 But I see him on Twitter talking about Shakira. Oh, man. And then I'm like, I'm trying to be the cool girlfriend, seeing how hot Shakira is. But really, I'm like, I need to respond. And then I'm like, you need to respond. I'm like, babe, you're so much hotter. Yeah. He goes.
Starting point is 00:26:27 And then I said, I said, that's a trap. That's a trap. No, it's not a trap. We also explain the dynamic of our relationship to. Like, she'll be like, wow, that good guy's a good looking dude. I'm like, yeah, that guy's a stud. Yeah, that's how we are too. We do.
Starting point is 00:26:40 We do that a lot. No, no, I do that too. So it's kind of like, our background. So I'm like, oh, I'm like, wow, this is cool. Kailet's like, that's exactly what I was thinking. Like, we're open, we're on it. Yeah, and I do that too. Like, well, to watch girls on the bathtub, okay, yeah, they are beautiful.
Starting point is 00:26:54 But the thing was, girlfriend was on her period, shoving noodles down her face, eating Chinese after I had McDonald's for lunch. And I'm watching Shakira and J-Lo, like, 50 years old looks like they're 12 and they're stunning. And I'm feeling a little bit like crying into my noodles a little bit. And I even said to Jason, I go, don't respond to that because I'm shoving my face with noodles and I don't want to hear it.
Starting point is 00:27:23 His response, instead of saying, you're so hot too, or you're beautiful, is, yeah, I have a new celebrity crush of Shakira. And I'm like, and then I sent him a funny picture of myself, like fake crying eating noodles. and then I went and plugged in my phone and didn't respond to him for a while and he's like, Caitlin, you're beautiful too. What just respond to me? What are you doing?
Starting point is 00:27:47 And I was like, my phone's charging. But that's funny. I mean, listen, I was focused on that halftime show. It was incredible. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:54 It was really cool to see Latina community women's kick ass. But I also had some funny bets and I did have a bet on the over under J-Lo alpha change. So I was also focused on that too. Okay? It was two and a half. This seems like an unresolved.
Starting point is 00:28:08 resolved issue and I agree so you're really paying attention to our outfits Jason yeah I was let me ask you this do you own or rent your home I'm sure you do and I bet it can be really hard work but you know what's easy bundling policies with Geico so Geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowners or renter's insurance along with your auto policy and it's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home go to geico dot com get a quote see how much you could save it's guyco easy visit guyco.com today that's guyco.com Jason we spent like 15 minutes we should do this more often we spent like 15 minutes together feel like you're real cool dude biggest red flag so far is your flannel shirt has like a hand
Starting point is 00:28:55 pocket on it and I'm confused no you have a pocket on your side don't you oh cool I've never seen pockets are amazing you have a pocket on your side you see this like you don't even know that that's the greatest surprise ever do you ever wear dresses in prime pocket the best thing I know how to hell to wear a phone because you never know what to do with your hand I'm like awkward situation I will hate a dress and then find out it has pockets and I immediately fall in love with it and I'm like and then everyone goes oh are they engaged she's hiding her hand I'm like no girl my dress has pockets Caitlin literally said it's like I'm running the gym get a change outfit so you can come
Starting point is 00:29:28 here Kayling gets out of the car she goes are you trying to turn me on as we're walking up it's like your red flannel shirt I was like red flannel shirt I'm Canadian you want she's like i'm so into that so first of all i didn't know that second one i didn't know you're not supposed to know that side pockets no the side pockets are awesome i assure you is the only red flannel shirt that i own and they ever own ever so yeah i don't know i would say my favorite there are the socks the red socks with wait these are the uh boy you're going to jack in the box i thought he was definitely going to kick that one yeah he would come on jack in the box socks aren't cool yeah we're just worried about the wine you got the whole matching thing going
Starting point is 00:30:03 yeah not bad right i've never learned that in Take notes. I know. He asked me what we were going to wear today. And I was like, I don't know, I'll probably just wear like joggers in a sweater and like some combat boots like something comfy. And he shows up and I'm like, it looks so good. You look so hot, babe. You look so hot.
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Starting point is 00:31:27 We'll be right back with more off-the-vine, grape therapy. This is off the vine Grape Therapy. Is this turn wheels? It is. Okay. Yeah. Good to know. It moves.
Starting point is 00:31:39 Yeah. Good to know. Do you move around a lot? Yeah. Yeah. I'm very animated. I'm very, you keep stomping your feet and like it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:47 It's funny. It's like laid back here. Like, yeah. I know. It's funny. You guys walked into the studio. You're like, wow, this looks so great. We've gotten the audience listening knows that we have had our struggles.
Starting point is 00:31:59 Oh. The best. the best lighting we've ever had is today. Yeah. And it's so good. Typically, you know, like, you and I talk on the couch, kind of like intimate, but if the girls are sitting, like, well, they would be 12 feet shorter than us. Anyway, we've gotten to figure it out.
Starting point is 00:32:16 We're trying to just. Oh, yeah, because you guys are nice and sunk in and we're like up proper, a little bit, a little closer to camera. And it's a great set up. And we got Max. There is. Nice. I'm curious.
Starting point is 00:32:28 The names of your dogs, ramen and peanut, just. Love them. Two of your favorite things? Well, that's what they were named. Well, yeah, yeah,
Starting point is 00:32:34 yes. But that is, that was their name before we got them. Wow. Yeah. It was crazy. Like,
Starting point is 00:32:39 um, I have always loved golden retrievers since I was little. And I knew that's the kind of dog I wanted. And I didn't realize that you could find like the best golden retrievers like rescue wise. And two golden retrievers walked into my backyard when I was doing a puzzle. And, um,
Starting point is 00:32:56 puzzles. Oh my God. You do? We do puzzles all the time. I love puzzles. Like, that was not a cool thing. It's a super cool thing. It actually, you know what?
Starting point is 00:33:04 It's, it is a cool thing because who does puzzles? It's like an old school. We drink one and you're doing a puzzle and you're doing something else. Yeah, puzzle is my other name for cocaine. I'm just kidding. A snooze in a puzzle. I'm just kidding. No, my dad and my stepmom were there and we were doing a puzzle and two goldens walked into my backyard.
Starting point is 00:33:24 You smell ours, don't you? And I was like, it's a sign. I need two goldens. And Jason and I were like, just dating. And I thought it was a sign. And then the next day, Raman, they found Raman and he needed surgery. And I donated all this money to help with the surgery because I was just so attached to him. And yeah, Raman, I was like, that's a great dog name.
Starting point is 00:33:46 No chance I'm changing that name. Then the lady messages me from Boney's Buddies and goes, oh my gosh, you're so cute. And she goes, we have Raman's clone. His name's Pino. And I was like, you've got to be kidding me. And then I was trying to convince Jason to get Pino. Jason was like, look, we already didn't have time for one dog. How do we do too?
Starting point is 00:34:06 Not even knowing he was surprising me and he had already gotten Pino. I think I cried when I saw you do that. I was like, that's every girl's dream. Sorry, take notes. I know. You help me. I'll help you. Can I tell you I made a vision board once about my dream guy?
Starting point is 00:34:21 Surprise or the Golden Retriever? It was like either has a golden retriever or surprises me with Golden Retriever. Like all the things that Jason is on paper I'm not even kidding The only thing I would say that isn't And I'm like I don't want to date Somebody else from The Bachelor But I'll take that because everything else is really great
Starting point is 00:34:37 You had a beard on there the whole thing What? You had a beard on your vision board for the guy? Oh yeah And he didn't have that when I met him So I made him grow up Wow Yeah
Starting point is 00:34:46 I'm just kidding I'm joking it wasn't on my board And I didn't make him growing But it is hot Oh thank you The scruff's good on you Appreciate that Hey, babe.
Starting point is 00:34:57 This is like a week's worth of growth. Yeah, but look at your flow. It takes a great flow. Thank you, you too. I wish I had to go. No, man, you got a good thing going right there. Oh, you don't like the flow? Get him a scrunchy.
Starting point is 00:35:09 That's scrunchy quality. Yeah. You could rock a scrunchy. I like the ponytail. The flow is just a little out of control. How do you rock a pony? I'd do it like a little. He's just had long hair for a long time.
Starting point is 00:35:21 Like when we first started dating, you had long hair. It was hot. Loved it. Yeah. Obviously. Um, then you cut it. I was like, that's hot, too. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:28 I just, I like the change. Yeah, I do like the roller coaster's good. Yeah. Like, roll the beer. We've had the long hair for a couple of years. A lot of roller coaster. Yeah. Yeah, what a roller coaster.
Starting point is 00:35:38 I'm really keeping her on in our house there. You're married with kids and dogs. It's like I'm married two different people, you know? Yeah. So your, your baby Drew is three months. She's three months old. The cutest. I want to steal her.
Starting point is 00:35:51 I won't. She's very sweet and cute. And I mean, but how has that changed? guys relationship oh my gosh geez it's in every way possible but in every way possible and it's the i think it's the biggest obstacle for a marriage in a relationship just because you have to figure out we both believe that we have to keep each other first in order to be good parents for her so good and especially with an infant it's really hard to keep that dynamic because
Starting point is 00:36:20 the infant can so easily become the focus of everyone's attention that you just forget about each other? Yeah. So how do you do that? Where are you, how do you put each other first? So we scheduled every Thursday night from five to nine is date night for Sean and Andrew. So we have, even two days after we got home from the hospital. Yeah. Like my mom came over. She watched her baby. We have. Every single week. That's incredible. Yeah. And some of those date nights we've gone out of the house completely pissed at each other. Just like I don't even want to, but we still go. But do you come home happier? Yes. Yeah. It's like so important. I. I explain it to people like this.
Starting point is 00:36:55 Like, you know, you had, like, a roommate in college and there's, like, chores to do, like taking out the trash and doing the dishes and all, like, this list of things. When you have a baby, there's, like, a thousand more of those things. And so the opportunities for resentment of, like, I'm changing the diaper and I did this a whole day. And, like, I'm feeding. Like, they just, there's more opportunities to be mad at each other. And so for us to have these weekly date nights where we can just kind of put that aside, just sit at a table across.
Starting point is 00:37:24 from each other and look each other in the eye and just remember why exactly yeah and then i don't know if you guys have this but with your dogs is there anything with your dogs that you guys don't agree on i'm so glad you brought that before we answer because i was going to ask you if having if having a dog kind of helped you i think channel into having a baby i think a million percent yeah okay because if there's anything you don't agree on with your dogs it gets magnified so our babies can't sleep We've been in our bed with us every year. I would say probably like the seriously the biggest thing. That's actually like a real thing is like organic versus like medicine.
Starting point is 00:38:07 I'm a proponent of utilizing medicine and you're not a proponent of utilizing medicine. So it's like one thing that we. Really? Very familiar. Who is who? Where I have said. We're the same. I'm organic holistic.
Starting point is 00:38:19 He's American. See where I'm like, so listen, organic, holistic. I think is great. but I think there's a reason why today people live longer than they did last year and the year before and that is science and in my opinion if there's things out there disagree with that. I think
Starting point is 00:38:33 for me I like the idea of trying to do the natural thing first. Yes. And if medicine is necessary, I'm not against it. But my problem was that our dog Raman had a reaction to medicine
Starting point is 00:38:49 and had two seizures almost died twice. So now I'm just paranoid about what we put in his system because of that. Well, research is absolutely, you know, a mandatory, right? And I think I agree with you. Try natural holistic ways first, but medicine is in place for a purpose. And I think it should be utilized. Why to do that, guys?
Starting point is 00:39:12 And we got a camera, too. And now throw a baby into it. And it's like, now that's tough. So I did have this, and this comes back to the conversation at Super Bowl weekend. I'm talking to this guy, CEO of this company. You know when you're at networking events, sometimes you meet someone and you're just like,
Starting point is 00:39:27 you're stuck to the person. You get deep and you're talking. One of the things that came up, he said, if you are in a relationship where you are like not happy or you're fighting now when you have kids, you have zero chance. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:41 And I like kind of battled with him. I was like, if you're in a relationship that you're not having disagreements or fighting, in my opinion, I don't think you're openly communicating. I love that, so I was like, I think it's actually if you are,
Starting point is 00:39:52 communicating openly and you are having those disagreements, it's going to prepare you for that. So we kind of had this like battle back and forth. I'm curious your opinion being in that situation. In what world is like a healthy relationship not have arguments? Right. There's a, there's a healthy way to have an argument. Like if I'm, if I'm like yelling at you and throwing, you're throwing stuff at me, like not healthy. But there's so many different, like you grew up in Canada. You grew up in Buffalo, New York. I'm sorry that that happened to you. You stop. But, like, there's just culturally, like, the expectations, there's a million different things that are different. And you're going to have to work through those as you're living together and raising a human being together.
Starting point is 00:40:38 Like, you're going to have disagreements. I think the disagreements become more passionate after a kid because it's not just you that you're defending or your belief. You're trying to speak for a tiny human. Yes. And, like, protect them. We both have different beliefs and comfort. different beliefs and even raised different. So I agree with that.
Starting point is 00:40:57 But I mean, we've always been huge advocates that like arguing we think is good. Mm-hmm. Because you are being honest and transparent. I agree it's so much better than bottling something up or blowing up. Like an argument can be also a conversation. Okay. I'm very excited about this next sponsor.
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Starting point is 00:43:14 are some of the most important things that that mean the most to you when parenting your kid i'll give you so i'll give you an example like i think when i have a child that they things I think about. Or are you going to birth the child? Not having discussions like that. But is discipline, like that the discipline's instilled, having respect for others. And then I think probably the biggest one that people don't really have today is accountability. Instead of putting blame on everyone else, you know, I think that's one thing my parents did with me.
Starting point is 00:43:45 It's not the teacher's fault. It's not the principal's fault. It's not your coach's fault. You know, look in the mirror. What can we do to be better? So those are the things that mean the most of me. I'm curious, like, as you guys now have a beautiful baby, like, where are the things you're like,
Starting point is 00:43:57 this, you know, Drew has to have this? Or like something I, it's important for me that, you know, I instill this. That's a really good question. I would say I'm going to answer what I view is important in raising a kid in our marriage first. And I think my answer to that would be like that Sean just trust me and I trust Sean that hey Sean loves Drew as do I and she's going to do
Starting point is 00:44:26 some things differently and that's okay and I kind of expect that in return of like hey look you know I'm not going to change your diaper as soon as she goes to the bathroom I'm going to 10 minutes and that's like not me neglecting her that's me just making sure she finished going to the bathroom where Sean like changes immediately right and there's like that's what I'm talking about there's disagreements. But as far as what is important for me, for Drew to know, I think a sense of gratitude, like the opposite of entitlement is really important to me, just like realizing that having a general sense of appreciation is like the best
Starting point is 00:45:05 way to go through life. Faith to me is important. And then just like respect for everybody. and realizing that not everyone might be talented in the same way, but you're not going to be talented in the same way as they are. Realize that everybody has their own strengths and weaknesses and just to respect that. And not get jealous or frustrated, just like respect that. I like that a lot.
Starting point is 00:45:31 That's good. You can agree, but you don't have to like go on a day. You're like, oh, gosh, remind us. The only thing I was going to add is, like, I was terrified to have a girl. So we didn't find out what we were having. So, and I wanted to, I mean, this is going to, I hope Drew doesn't resent me someday for this. I wanted a boy because I was terrified to have a girl. I think both girls and boys have different things that are hard in today's world to, like, grow up in.
Starting point is 00:45:57 But girls, I think right now just have it harder. People are probably going to disagree with me. It's a political statement, I guess. But raising a girl to be strong and confident and have a voice. And I think it's really daunting. And I just want to be able to raise a girl that's very comfortable in who she is. And it feels like she can do whatever she dreams of. See, I think I disagree a little bit.
Starting point is 00:46:26 And it's okay. I just think I would never rather, okay, let me think about how to articulate this. I would be more comfortable today raising a woman than ever before in the history of the world. And I think we're now like culturally things are. shifting. And an open dialogue is happening where it didn't happen before. And you can think of so many cases in Hollywood and corporate America and politics. And I think open communication and equality with women in payment and every right that they deserve and more is now being the forefront of conversation, which is amazing. It is parents like you guys who will make that,
Starting point is 00:47:06 like I think the next generation of women is going to be, they're going to be so powerful. So you're going to be part of that movement for them too. But I understand your concern. Tons of work to be done. Yeah. So far ago. Like so, and everything, right? And gay rights and trans.
Starting point is 00:47:19 I mean, the list goes on. But I love where it's moving today. I think that too comes from like us. I think he, I think as a guy, you think it might be easier to raise a girl. And as a girl, to me, it feels like it would be easier to raise a boy.
Starting point is 00:47:36 But it might be from personal experience and just growing up in today's world. That's a good point. So, no, I agree with what you said. It is all based on each person's experience. But I agree with you. It terrifies me to raise a girl just because I think of things that I've done or gone through or seen or like everything. I think it does just depend on.
Starting point is 00:47:55 Even a kid, I remember you've made a couple comments like, do we even want to bring a child in this world? Yeah, of course. Seriously, though. Like so, yeah. Okay, question for you guys. We always ask couples this. Okay. What is each other's biggest pet peeve?
Starting point is 00:48:10 And then what do you love most about each other? Well, I like this. I do too. Should we start with pets? Caitlin's like, where do I start with a pet peeve? No. Start with a diss and as a compliment. Okay.
Starting point is 00:48:24 Well, for me personally, my pet peeve, um, well, I'm trying to think of one that's not like so silly and like, like you snore, like something that's not. Andrew doesn't shut cabinet doors. Okay. Actually, you know what? It's your old man. noises. He makes old man noises all the time.
Starting point is 00:48:45 Let's roll this YouTube video back and play all the old man voices I've made. This is what he does. Well, first of all, snoring at night, he's like, you snore too. You just said you weren't going to include that in your list. But that's part of the old man noises. I've snored twice in a year. No, that's not true. You snore. Oh, my gosh. Just take the feedback. I know I snore on someone. He'll be talking and all of a sudden he'll go, like with your nose.
Starting point is 00:49:14 I'll do that. It sounds like a buffalo thing to do. Yeah, it's nasly. But I just went to the doctor and I got this new spray. Again, you don't have to defend everything. No, I'm exciting. It should be take care of. What's the other one?
Starting point is 00:49:30 I don't know. Just these old man noises come out of you. Remember the other night when we were in L.A. at the hotel and Lowe was laughing so hard at you because he was like, I hear it. You'd be like, I don't. remember all right so olden that noises um is there anything else that is my pet peeve or is that i don't know that's pretty good pretty short list yeah but that's good i mean i could go on i just thought we had to pick one no that's great that's great but what i mean what i love the most about jason is i mean that's that list is even bigger but probably
Starting point is 00:50:05 Like just your character in general. Like you just have really good intentions. You are very, well, you're just very well-spoken. You're very smart. You're very level-headed. You're very thoughtful. You're just like your character to the core is really, really good. Oh, that's nice.
Starting point is 00:50:26 Cute. It was nice, wasn't it? For a little bit. All right. So what is my biggest pet peeve? I already know what it's going to be. What do you think it's going to be? that I'm negative?
Starting point is 00:50:37 Yeah. Well, I think it's, yeah, it's overly critical, as you can tell. And just always, it's glass half full with everything. That's great. And I think that's, you mean glass half empty. Glass half empty. So, like, just simple things. And we talk about this and you, but you got these beautiful dogs are there.
Starting point is 00:50:56 We're having so much fun. She's like, oh, it's going to be so terrible when they die. Like, wait, what? Okay. I mean, I'm not that morbid. No, you mentioned that. I said that the other day. I hold them.
Starting point is 00:51:07 Oh, this is so hard. This is what it was. This is so brutal because they're both the same age and then they're going to die at the same time. I was like, wait, what? That is a, I think that's a female mentality there because you like think things. Yeah. Well, I also think it's part of that if you like, this is a good thing in all relationships is that thoughts today are derived from yesterday, right?
Starting point is 00:51:29 So we all grew up and we've had things. Oh, I just did the guru. Did you hear that? I did. I did. I did. You all grew up and like things. Things have created us to be who we are today.
Starting point is 00:51:38 And I think understanding that about your partner is so important. So we've had like, we've talked about that in depth. Like, what is it? And you've talked to me openly about how things, things that you have seen fail have then put in your mind that things will fail today. And it's something you're working out. And by the way, foul is fail, but just in his buffalo accent. Another pet peeve this guy is philosophical.
Starting point is 00:52:00 No, he's so philosophical. I'm just a shook from our first, like, female. Is this the right condition to be raising a daughter? No, I love it. This is why, well, and especially what you talk about for your YouTube channel coming up. Like, I just think the things he has to say are so important. I think it'll do really well. But, yeah, I just think I have, yeah, again, like, it was really hard for me that my parents divorced.
Starting point is 00:52:22 And I was, like, at an age where parents usually don't divorce. I was 18 or, like, 17 years old. And you think that doesn't affect you and that you're not fragile at that point in your life and that you can handle it. And you know, it's the right thing. And you're mature enough to, like, see what the, why but it's still I'm like I saw a failed marriage when my parents weren't unhappy they were pretty happy um failed relationships in my own life when you think they're going to work or um i've suffered loss of a best friend and it scares me to get close to people like certain things so it's
Starting point is 00:52:54 i am a little bit negative i will agree with you and i could work on that but to me i'm like but this is why right and i do actively work on it therapy is My everything. I think a beautiful thing. Power up, hey. I think a beautiful thing, though, we've talked about this with other couples and some people have differing beliefs, but we think it's really important to talk about baggage just because it teaches your
Starting point is 00:53:20 significant other that I respond this way because. Yeah. Whereas some people just don't believe, like, let's not talk about the past. Let's not talk about X's and how we got here because I just want to date the person you are. I think there's so much more to a person based off of what you've gone through. I totally agree. It's really important. I think that's cool.
Starting point is 00:53:41 But you have to have the maturity, I feel like, personally, to be able to realize that, hey, all the baggage that I do have has helped me, help me who I am. And not, like, not still be clung to that or bitter about it or, like, let that affect your current relationship. Yeah. So that's, I feel the same way. So I think, like, baggage is a history, right? But you have two options with history.
Starting point is 00:54:03 You let it continue to repeat it. itself, or that you chant, again, I'm getting deep. Either you channel it until, like, you find the positive from your past that brings you where you are today so you don't relive that past. I think too many people today will take the baggage and move forward with it and let it still impact their current situation. In my opinion, if you fall down the stairs, well, you should learn not to fall down the stairs that same way.
Starting point is 00:54:26 And it's a really bad analogy. No, because I don't want to get deep with other things. But the point is, like, the whole idea is insanity is doing the same thing over, letting history of repeat itself, right? So while you experience that, you've learned from it, it'll never not be you. I think it's good to take what has happened and then find the good in where it's put you today. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's part of forgiving, like you have to forgive yourself along the way, like me today in a relationship is 10 times better than me in a relationship five years ago. Because that's, again, like you just learn from every,
Starting point is 00:55:04 relationship or failed relationship or whatever you've gone through in life. But I do think, I mean, I agree with both of you because I think it's so important to talk about, like you said, the baggage and the failed relationships and why. And because it does help each other understand instead of just being like, well, that doesn't matter anymore because we're here now. So I think it's just a combination of those things. Yeah. It's a little thing called balance.
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Starting point is 00:57:18 now back to off the vibe great therapy what's your podcast and youtube channel gonna do the podcast i don't have a podcast just youtube channel well he comes on my podcast all the time Come on hers, and it's like her thing's the podcast space. I got you. You know, we kind of like, right, separate? Your thing's going to be YouTube, mine's the podcast, and we'll collab. There you go. Perfect.
Starting point is 00:57:40 So the idea, it's called restart. And the idea is anybody that's looking for a restart, whatever competency it might be, and we'll have a life expert to help in that situation. So if health, wellness, mental, if it's career-driven, whatever it is, we'll have different experts in different fields to come on and give different life hacks. The idea is also to bring people on that are looking for a research. you start on whatever it might be. It might be substance abuse.
Starting point is 00:58:03 It might be a career change. It might be failed out of school. It might relationship issues and then be able to bring in the right experts to give them the right advice to see the change start to finish. So yeah, it's been exciting. And it's literally in one, two words, it's about change management. I love that. So just using change as an opportunity to move your life forward as opposed to bring you down
Starting point is 00:58:27 and behind. I love that. So I have my own. an individual podcast called Redirected, which is about... You're pimping yourself out right now? Well, yeah, because it's going on my... Check it out. Hey, it's on my podcast, too.
Starting point is 00:58:37 We don't need to pump our own tires here. No, it's about people. It's just more stories of change, not change management, but it's all about like... That's cool. Which you guys would both qualify for, but like... So give me, like, one of the best stories that you've had to. Okay, so there was this guy, Luke Sanders. Oh, really?
Starting point is 00:58:55 Okay. Who was installing, like, air conditioning in houses. and he was he turned on UFC fight one night and was like I want to do that so he trained for it and now he's in the UFC It's like whoa that's crazy. I swear I'm saying if you have one should be either Noah or it should be Kurt Kurt Warner no no oh because that's a great story He was in a grocery store oh I didn't know oh really I was like eight years old and it's my favorite book but no Kurt Schneider Kurt Snyder who was a Yale mathematician genius guy then he started doing music production
Starting point is 00:59:31 and now he's like one of the biggest YouTube channels out there. I love that. That's awesome. It is really cool. It's all like life detours. Yeah, because a lot of people I mean who go on reality television or whatever, like you don't,
Starting point is 00:59:44 it's not like your whole life. You're like, well, I'm going to be an actress or I'm going to go on TV. Like it just happens to so many people that you're like, well, I didn't see that coming. And it's on like this huge national scale of like national television
Starting point is 00:59:55 and your life changes overnight. And it's just always interesting to hear those people's stories too. like, you know, spin instructor, working at a restaurant, being like, what the heck am I doing with my life? And then all of a sudden, just finding my way through a reality television show. It's crazy. Which is amazing. We watch guys.
Starting point is 01:00:11 Sorry. Well, what do you think of this season? It's crazy. In a good way. This champagne whole debacle was so funny. The best. One of the greatest things I've ever seen. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:22 That, they really peaked at that part of the season. That was A plus producing right there. I mean, that was incredible. Oh, my gosh, you're out of your contract. Because I'm off my contract. This is so exciting. Oh, crazy. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:35 Yeah. You're out of your contract. February 4th. Yeah. Just like, yes. Just like, we're going out tonight. Amazing. Yay.
Starting point is 01:00:43 I already drank my wine. Oh, sorry. I got so excited. Cheers, everyone. You can't undo it now. Yeah. Now I'm scared. I would, choose.
Starting point is 01:00:52 Yeah, if sex is bad tonight, that's on you. They're having sex tonight, so. Oh. Now I feel left out. That was a weird thing to say. I don't feel real great about that. I immediately, you can blame the Spanid and Spirons. I saw it like, as you were saying it, you're like, I thought you said, we're having sex tonight.
Starting point is 01:01:15 And I was like, get it. I said, they're having sex tonight. And then he said, I feel left out. So, just text us tomorrow. What you mean was, this is my new most embarrassing moment right now. He's a little red. I love when people get embarrassed. I don't feel good.
Starting point is 01:01:32 Here, I'll detour into a game before we wrap up. Yes. I'm all about games on my podcast. Wait, do you guys like board games? Huge. I like board games. We are recruiting for game night. Oh, we're in.
Starting point is 01:01:45 Sign us up. It's our favorite. Have you played Quipash? No. Quipash is a good one. What's your go-to game? We like. We're a werewolf.
Starting point is 01:01:54 We're a werewolf. Wow, new nerds. We do settlers. of Catan, ticket to ride. Wait, what's the one we love? The three rounds with all the... Fishbow. Fishbow.
Starting point is 01:02:03 Whoa, whoa, whoa. You played fishbow, come on. You played fishbow. Everyone calls it a different thing. Where it's like the first round charades, second rounds. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I love that.
Starting point is 01:02:13 Some people call it like celebrities or something. Yes, I played celebrities at my girlfriend's bachelor at party. And this is actually so mean. I'm not going to tell a story. I'm not going to tell it. It's really mean. It's mean. I like the self-awareness right there.
Starting point is 01:02:28 Yeah, I was like, wait a second. Yeah. Rewind. Those, I need to write them down because, well, I can just listen to this back, but, because I need new games. But we play, we love Monopoly deal, which is a card game of Monopoly. It's awesome. And he's the financial guy, but I beat him a lot. What?
Starting point is 01:02:47 Wow. At first, he don't. At first, he beat me 25 times in a row. But I got better. It was a learning curve for me. We'll have a game that you'll see. Crib. Cribs, a good one.
Starting point is 01:02:57 Cribs. Love Cribb. Okay, so this game is just a very standard, most likely game. Okay. So we can answer it too. This is funny, the first one. So is it mostly you or me type that? What's that?
Starting point is 01:03:10 You'll see. Most likely to forget an anniversary. Andrew. Both of us. That's fair. Yeah, we just forgot ours. Oh, gosh. It's February and we're like, hey, our anniversary was in January.
Starting point is 01:03:22 Okay. We forgot. But we remember your contract and when that's up, and we'll celebrate that. Who is most likely to cry over a movie? Andrew. Me. Me. Yeah. What one gets you?
Starting point is 01:03:39 Up. Oh. Yeah. Instant family with Mark Wahlberg. Oh, that was a good one. I was pregnant though. I cried. Oh.
Starting point is 01:03:47 It's really good. It's really good. What did you say you get you? Oh, Art of Racing in the rain. And I was crying. I cannot watch movies of dogs. Yeah. It's off limits.
Starting point is 01:03:55 Yeah. I'm, yeah, art of, it's like a dog's life and stuff. I can't watch it. Yeah. I tried to watch one with subtitles once and I turned off the sound because my
Starting point is 01:04:03 whole thing, guys, is you know when dogs cry on movies? I can't. How did they get the sound? Oh, wait, that's a really good question. Right?
Starting point is 01:04:10 I can't do it. That's a good question. Jeez. Have you seen Art of Racing in the rain or no? No, I've never heard of it. It's narrated by the dog, which is like totally next level.
Starting point is 01:04:20 I might be able to look at a dog's perspective. It's cool. It's very intelligent. It's like, yeah. No. It's always a chel-in. Peanut Butter Falcon might be my favorite movie.
Starting point is 01:04:29 Oh, actually that was really good. It is so good. It's a child of love. Anyway, that was a detour, but go ahead. It's so good.
Starting point is 01:04:36 Remember that. It doesn't have a dog in it. Okay, good. Who's more likely to go the longest without showering? Him, oh my gosh. Oh, me. I just watched my ever set. I love that.
Starting point is 01:04:48 It's not like a full week. No. I love that. It was four days. That's not bad. And he always calls me out for smelling. I'm like, I don't really care.
Starting point is 01:04:59 No, no, I don't call. It's not a call. I'll just like, when you smell good, I tell you. And when I smell bad.
Starting point is 01:05:04 When Andrew gets there, I'm like, it's time. Kate just transition to natural, which again, I support, but natural deodorant. Which doesn't work as well.
Starting point is 01:05:13 It's not working. So I'm like, Hey, like, I'm like, you got to let the arms are bad. Like, come on. When internet first started dating, he didn't believe in deodorant.
Starting point is 01:05:23 He thought your body naturally built up its own resistance. You and I are kind of me. Yes, that's kind of me. See, I would have thought you would have been like that. I don't like smell, though. Oh, okay. She picks and chooses. I was the same way.
Starting point is 01:05:37 I'm like, you've got to give me three weeks for my body to naturally, like, get through this. 21 days. Who's more likely to be late getting ready? Me. I'm not late. Oh. Moise and It depends
Starting point is 01:05:53 We're both Terrible We need to be better Hey, we're improving though We showed up at 2-00 today 202 No no no No you're behind me
Starting point is 01:06:02 I was 202 Yeah Caitlin was definitely But that's good for us Okay Who is most likely to respond To a social media troll Sean
Starting point is 01:06:12 Me too How do you respond Do you do the passive aggressive thing Or are you like This hurt my feelings Or are you like Okay Karen
Starting point is 01:06:18 What do you do I was fine until I had Drew and now I'm like Oh yeah the mom shameers Don't come at me Like I went back at someone the other day It's no grandma She's like I'm worried about the hammers of your child I was like excuse me
Starting point is 01:06:33 And I went back at her I was like have you held her Right you know her No you don't Yeah see I love a good clap back I think it's standing up for yourself We disagree on the fact It just I feel like it just fosters more
Starting point is 01:06:47 And just encourage more Yeah and that's called engagement and that's how you get your followers. 1.8, baby. The road to 1.8. Nip slip and naked changeover. I'll tell you what. Who is more likely to throw a fit during game night?
Starting point is 01:07:07 Me. But passive aggressively. I'll just be like, I'll like be laughing, having a good time when I'm winning. And then I start losing. I'm like, I'm ready to go to bed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's me too. Well, like, if Jason comes up with a funnier answer than me, I'm like, this one game
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Starting point is 01:08:47 the homepage and type in Vine. That's ship station, then enter code vine. Shipstation.com. Make ship happen. Okay, who is most likely to be caught walking around in the house naked? For sure, me. Yeah, him always. Really?
Starting point is 01:09:04 He strips the second he gets through the door. Oh. I do a bunch of like shirtless Instagram posts too. It's not because I have a nice body. It's just because I'm always naked. Oh, okay. And they're like, this is disturbing. This is giving me PTSD.
Starting point is 01:09:16 Like, yeah. You literally walk in the door though and like clothes follow you. You just strip down. But you have an insane gym in your house, so I'm assuming your body isn't like you're not, like, offending people. Yeah. I'm not going to like. Oh, okay. I'm looking at you for a response.
Starting point is 01:09:33 It's pretty solid. Thank you for the words of affirmation there. Thank you. Okay. And then who, these are other questions, but who initiated I love you first? Me. Oh, Sean did. This is how.
Starting point is 01:09:46 I made the first move, guys. That's really cute. I kissed him. That's right. Uh-uh. This is actually a great story. We've never talked about this. The way she first told me I love you was she posted, noted, I was at Vanderbilt going to school.
Starting point is 01:09:58 Wait, have you seen Bruce Almighty? Yeah, of course. You know where he covers every inch and posts me us? I did that to his dorm room. She did that. Don't ever do this. It took me 12 hours. Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 01:10:06 I thought it was going to take two hours. Wow. It took way too much. Every inch. And then on one in the bottom, on one post, no, in the bottom of my closet, behind shirt, she wrote, I love you. On one. And he somehow found it.
Starting point is 01:10:18 Yeah, I found. Yeah, I found it. And I was like, how many post-its you think that way? Oh, too many. And it was, I don't even know who that person was back then. Was the purpose? That was commitment. Yeah, that's a lot.
Starting point is 01:10:28 Was the purpose of doing it for him to find the I love you? Was that like the intent? No. No, she didn't actually all the time. No, I was bored. I had no life back then besides him. And I was like, I have nothing to do while he's at school and football practice and he doesn't come home until 10.
Starting point is 01:10:43 Yeah. So I decided to post it now. And I was like, oh, here's a few hundred pads. Let's see if I could do this. I went to Walgreens probably 12 times. You have a picture of this? Yes. No way.
Starting point is 01:10:53 Don't ever do this. It's so dumb. It's so dumb. I won't. I will not. But that's really, that is the most thoughtful thing. I thought about doing, for this Valentine's Day, we're doing gifts. And I thought about doing, I'm not going to do it, so it's not a spoiler or anything.
Starting point is 01:11:08 But I thought about doing, like, on cards, because we love cards, 52 things that I love about him on like a little ring. Oh, cute. Well, that's sweet. 52. Why am I doing it? Why are I not doing that? before though so yeah i was like she's like snoring that thief dad oh shit wrong idea well this glass half empty over here just being negative all the time
Starting point is 01:11:31 going to town yeah i go into town yeah i go into town going to town sometimes they talk canadian that is very sweet though thanks and that's how you said i love you first yeah wow that's very special yeah we we also never you never said that you found it or anything you didn't say anything but then I was in your dorm room one day and I saw that you had taken the post-it note off and put it on your notebook and I was like oh shoot oh shoot and then how did you say it back mad gab yeah I'll a I S-L-E of few and then wait that's I love this I know I actually sign all of our cards now that's all of you I made a I actually created a crossword and then, like, had...
Starting point is 01:12:18 We were on a plane from San Diego. We used to do all this stuff back then. We don't do that anymore. You don't have to talk about that. How did you guys do it? We were playing Monopoly Deal. Cute. Jason was winning.
Starting point is 01:12:31 And Jason was probably winning at that time in our relationship. I literally... Okay, I know. Come on. I'm trying to push your buttons. I'm like, Monopoly deal. That's my game. But I have gotten really good.
Starting point is 01:12:41 Okay, that's right. So we were playing Monopoly deal. And, well, what, oh, you just look. at me, and you were like, because he was like, I really wanted like a big, like special way to say something. And he's like, but I just can't hold back. Like, I just need to tell you. It was just midgame. Yeah. It just came out like instantly and naturally, you know, it wasn't anything for him. That's really cool. It was cool. It was cool. Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool. Um, okay, this is a little cackle before your laugh. Oh, I have
Starting point is 01:13:11 it's a, it's a, it's a, uh, it's like a thing. It's like we joke or like, like, we joke or Like, yesterday, actually, you laughed and I was in the kitchen. I just started laughing to myself because she has, like, a fat man's laugh. Like, she's like, like, it's a belly laugh. Like, it's hilarious. It's amazing. It's aggressive. No, it's great.
Starting point is 01:13:31 You're a philosophical side. You have a great laugh. Yeah, he's very deep and, like, philosophical. And I'm more like, and how can I make a joke around it? Mm-hmm. That's a good balance. It is a good balance. And this is my last question, because,
Starting point is 01:13:46 I really like this one. But what was your first impressions of each other? Uh-oh. Oh, geez. Yeah, because we have good ones, too. All right. The first time meeting, we were in Los Angeles. Sean was on dancing with the stars.
Starting point is 01:13:59 Okay, you were the youngest contestant. The youngest contestant, like at that time. They had younger now. But it was the first time the show ever had to work with child labor laws. So that's why they had never had someone under the age of 18. But I was 16 at the time, yeah. And did you won, right? I did.
Starting point is 01:14:16 That's amazing. Thanks. So you were 16 when you won. I did. That is unbelievable. Drew's going to be an athlete. You guys are good breeders. Well, you said that, but then she's probably going to be like mathematician, which is also great.
Starting point is 01:14:30 Which is amazing. We're really worried, though, because Sean's obviously shorter, which is a concern from the start. She's got to go metal, but she's 4 foot 11. But Drew has currently, she has my weight. She's in a WMBA. She's my weight and Sean's height. So she's like, she's like, she's in the 99th percentile for height. No, she's not.
Starting point is 01:14:51 96. I'm sorry. No, she didn't even crack the 70s. I, yes, she. Okay. We have a different child. We have a different job. I wasn't even 1% in height.
Starting point is 01:15:01 That's nuts. She's not me. First impressions, though. Okay. It was in Los Angeles. And we went to the Grove, which is like a strip mall. I don't know how it was such an outdoor mall. And we kind of bounced around like five or six different places.
Starting point is 01:15:15 I was having a blow. last. It was my first time ever drinking. Sean was like walking me through. She was buying me shots and beer and all this stuff. Gosh. I was 21. I just turned 21. I was like you've never drank before. And yeah, she thought I was lying. But, uh, but I was being, I was hilarious. I was cracking. Jack after a joke. She didn't crack a smile. Didn't even smile. So I was like, oh, geez, tough crowd. Yeah. But the thing that got me hooked to want to go. on a second day was like at the very end of the night I made some cheesy joke and she cracked
Starting point is 01:15:50 a smile. Yes, if you could tuck me in I was like. No, I don't think that's what I said. That sounds weird. Jeez, I sound like such a freaking creep. But she cracked a smile and I was like oh, I'll see an angel. First impression wasn't great to be honest
Starting point is 01:16:08 So was this like your first date? Yeah, our first impression. We got set up. So I met his brother at the London Olympics. He was a USA cyclist. Oh, no way. Yeah. And we got to talking and he's like, you'd be perfect for my younger brother, you have to meet him. And I was just
Starting point is 01:16:24 like, that's weird. Oh, that's... We're doing this live, baby. And then through random events, he flew out to L.A. to meet me. And when we went out to the Grove, again, in the middle of
Starting point is 01:16:40 Dancing with the Stars, I was dealing with, I was trying to end a relationship that was way too long and just not working. I just wasn't in the mindset And I was like this guy He claims to be like this college football player He's never drank He like seems like a goody two shoes
Starting point is 01:16:55 I don't know I just was like he I can't read you Right and I just didn't know Yeah You're very sweet Yeah And mysterious apparently
Starting point is 01:17:05 What were your first impressions Go ahead Well I You had seen me first from the show No I didn't see this show. I knew who you were. Oh, for sure. Yeah. And you had a bit of a crush on me. Yeah, my mom followed her. My mom watches the show. My man. And yeah, your mom watched the show. And I was wondering, like, what do you say? You said, ma'am, ma'am. My mom? I don't know. You said it really
Starting point is 01:17:36 like, ma'am. You said it pretty in New York. It was cool. Yeah. Yeah. Gotcha. Rock the accent. My bad, bro. Yeah. So yeah, my mom followed you. And then what? Well, she told me that you had a crush on me. Yeah, well, I was like, this girl is hilarious. At first I thought she was hilarious. And the, she, oh, you know what it was? My mom told me, Caleb Risto is like Team J, when I was on the show. Oh, yeah, that's what it was.
Starting point is 01:18:01 So I was like, oh, so she's like, she's got my back. So I started following, like, checking out like what she was saying. It's like, this girl's out of control. She's hilarious. It's like absolutely hilarious. So I initially thought you were super funny. And cute. And hot.
Starting point is 01:18:15 Yeah. Super hot. And then I watched him on the show, and my impression was that he just looked like Andrew Keegan and... Which I get a lot in a bad way. Well, I called him Vampire Andrew Keegan because you had the like really good Widows Peak. And so anyways, he was Buffalo. And he kind of reminded me of like a Canadian guy. And so I like chirped him on my podcast really hard for when he went and played hockey for his hometown date.
Starting point is 01:18:41 Because I was like, this guy claims to just have been born on skates. this guy can't i would skate circles around him i'm just like running my mouth and i honestly thought he'd be a great bachelor so i was rooting for him to be the bachelor so i had him on my podcast and then i'm when i met him i was going through a breakup and i was like man that guy's the nicest guy i've ever met like so he brought a bottle of wine he was like reminded me of a canadian he was really cool about family he's very well spoken he was just like a really good guy went back to his corporate banking job after the show wasn't trying to like you know do the whole, which is, I did the whole Instagram thing.
Starting point is 01:19:16 I'm not judging it, but I thought that was cool that you went back to your job. And I, we left the podcast and I walked away and I called my girlfriend. And I said, I just really hope that I wish I could have been the bachelor. Like, I really would have hoped for him to be the bachelor. Would have made a great bachelor. Jason called his mom and said. No, I called Hawk. Oh, your mom said you called her too.
Starting point is 01:19:37 I called my best friend. And I was like, I think I just fell in love. but we had like a friendship for a little bit yeah because I never at that point had ever given out my phone number even if it was just a podcast guest or something just because I was like I don't know to me it's like I wanted to be more professional
Starting point is 01:19:54 and with him I was like oh just text I'll text you the photos we took from our episode and so I text him and then from that point we just did not stop talking and it was I mean very very friendly too friendly he sent me a picture of a girl I'll never let him live it down I was like what?
Starting point is 01:20:10 Well, it was like... Shikira, I hope. No, so she was like, okay, so here's the story behind that. I didn't know what her deal, like, her relationship status, and I certainly wasn't going to cross a line, not knowing what the situation was. And I just didn't want to, like, get in the mix with that. So we started having conversation,
Starting point is 01:20:27 and it became, like, very friendly. Like, you're talking about this guy, this guy, it was just very friendly. So I'm like, I'm clearly in the friend zone. So there was this girl who was like, I don't know, a reporter or something who was like, oh, let's go on a date. or something.
Starting point is 01:20:41 So I just wrote her, you know, it was also kind of strategic. Send her the message. I was like, see where I'm at. What do you think of this girl? Like she wants to go on a date. Should I do it?
Starting point is 01:20:50 And you're like, you could do better. And I'm like, okay. I see, I see what's going on here. Pick me. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:20:57 You could do better. That was basically what I was trying to say. Amazing. Yeah. But that's it. Yeah. That's great. We're cute.
Starting point is 01:21:08 You guys are cute. You guys are cute. This has been the longest podcasts we've done. I was going to say, but Jason has a hard stuff. I was just thinking, yeah. This is great timing because this is, you know, you've got to go get 3.42. I know. We've just been chatting.
Starting point is 01:21:24 Whoa. Yeah. It's great, though. Okay. Because, first of all, I mean, it is going to be over both podcasts, but if whoever edits or does anything, yeah, people like working with a lot of material over not enough. So there you go. We're just giving the people what they want.
Starting point is 01:21:37 Let's go. Well, thank you guys for coming out our podcast. Thank you for coming online. Hopefully you guys will come over for game night. Yes. Game night is a must. Can we schedule this? Done.
Starting point is 01:21:47 Not monopoly deal though. I feel like Jason's kind of. Yeah, he'll make you feel really terrible. But what's a good one that you play with four people? Golf. Golf. Oh, we play golf. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:22:00 I learned it with your family. Yeah, yeah. Do you have Xbox or PlayStation? We don't. Yes, we do. We have Xbox. We have Xbox. Okay, so that's where we'll play Quick Flash.
Starting point is 01:22:10 It's on there. With Flash is really good. Oh, it's Jack in the box. It's really good. Do we love that? Yes. That's what we're talking about. I'm glad we figured that one out.
Starting point is 01:22:18 That's what we're going to do. Let me do say, though, whatever podcast you're listening, whether it's off the vine or a couple things, give the show. You need to listen to both. Give the show a rating and subscribe to it. Yes. I always forget to say that at the end, but it's so important. You've been in the podcast game for a while. I have.
Starting point is 01:22:33 You're like an OG. I'm an OG. Am I allowed to say that about myself? Yeah, I'm OG. Yeah, I'm OG. Oh, my OG. Yeah, it's fun. But tell people where they can find your podcast if they're listening to Off the Vine.
Starting point is 01:22:45 Yeah. So a couple things with Sean and Andrews is the name of our podcast. And then I have my own called Redirected. But we have a YouTube channel called the East Fam. And you can find us. Hey, YouTube's great. You guys both like, you have over a million subscribers between the two of you, don't you? I think so.
Starting point is 01:23:03 Yeah. It's amazing. We have fun. Yeah. Family-friendly content. That's great. That's not with me. That's right.
Starting point is 01:23:10 Don't listen to my podcast with the kids in the car. Or mom and dad. Well, my mom and dad can't. Yeah, that's true. Your YouTube channel is it just called restart? Just restart. You love that. Restart.
Starting point is 01:23:20 I'm really excited. Restart, reset. Yeah, it's going to be fun. You're going to crush that, man. Thank you, guys. I appreciate it. Yeah. We'll have to cross collaborate on reelected and restart.
Starting point is 01:23:32 There's some common synage. Redirected. I'm thinking about our sex later. Oh, boy, this is a good time to wrap, thank you. And let's close. Thanks for listening to Off the Vine, Grape Therapy. Tune in to hear new mini-sodes every Thursday, and check out new full-length episodes every Tuesday,
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