Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Shenae Grimes-Beech | Degrassi to 90210: Inside the Pressure, Fame & Her Post-Hollywood Reinvention!

Episode Date: December 11, 2025

#901. If you grew up on Degrassi or 90210, buckle up — today’s episode is a full-on millennial nostalgia trip with actress and former teen TV icon Shenae Grimes-Beech.Shenae gets real about what Hollywood in the 2000s was actually like: the career-making auditions, the surreal celebrity encounters, the pressure she hid behind the scenes, and the identity shift that came when she finally stepped back from it all. She also spills a few wild 2008-era stories (millennials, prepare to scream), and fills us in on life now — from being a mom of two, to her clothing line, to the new business venture she’s launching in 2026.If you loved teen dramas, lived for the tabloid years, or just want an honest glow-up story… this episode is it!If you’re LOVING this podcast, please follow and leave a rating and review below! PLUS, FOLLOW OUR PODCAST INSTAGRAM HERE!Thank you to our Sponsors! Check out these deals!Aura Frames: For a limited time, visit AuraFrames.com/vine and get $35 off Aura’s best-selling Carver Mat frames - named #1 by Wirecutter - by using promo code VINE at checkout.Bombas: Head over to Bombas.com/vine and use code vine for 20% off your first purchase.Function Health: Own your health for $365 a year. That’s a dollar a day. Learn more by visiting www.functionhealth.com/VINE or use gift code VINE25 for a $25 credit towards your membership.Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance!Macy’s: Book a free Personal Stylist session online or in-store, tell them who you’re shopping for, and let them do the heavy lifting. Go ahead and get started at macys.com!Airalo: If you’ve got an international trip coming up, download the Airalo app now or visit AIRALO.com and use code VINE for 15% off your first eSIM.EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS: (7:40) The pinch-me Hollywood moment — when Topher Grace recognizes her from billboards. The early 2000s fame surreality starts HERE.(18:30) The dark side of the 90210 era — paparazzi chaos, safety fears, and the moment she sat crying in her car because going home didn’t feel safe.(22:37) The wild John Mayer twist — rumors said they were dating… until she actually ran into him at Chateau Marmont.(43:19) The most toxic part of Hollywood — Shenae breaks down how your value becomes tied to your last success, and how that shaped (and messed with) her identity.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'm really into it. I'll probably be wearing it for the next week straight because once I find a sweatsuit that I love, I actually asked, I'm like, where did you source this from? Can I copy you? I want a sweatsuit brand. Anyways, today's guest is obviously Cheney Grimes. She grew up on DeGrasse. She became the lead of 90210, 2,10, moved to L.A. as a teen, lived through Hollywood coming

from Canada. And today she's a mom. She's a creator. And she is someone who speaks honestly about identity, about confidence. And we talked about what growing up in the spotlight kind of look like and what it does to you as a person. So if you are fascinated by what TV life and Hollywood look like in the early 2000s, then this is an episode for you.

Don't forget to subscribe and comment. because it really helps me. So here is Cheney. When did you get the acting bug? Like, were you kind of like that when you were a little? Or did you get into it in school? No, I wasn't like a theater kid. Really?

No, I was super into pop culture forever. Okay. I loved pop culture. Yeah. With a passion. And I like to dance and say. Yes, much music, exactly. And I love to dance and sing and just like, you know, be the center of attention.

Yeah, perform. Yeah. And so that's kind of how I fell into it. A kid from DeGrassey went to the music theater dancing program that I was at and seeing somebody from TV in real life kind of like made something click in my brain of, oh, okay, he's here doing this. He's on a real TV show that I've seen and maybe that means it's like attainable. Right.

Yeah. Oh, that's good. Were your parents supportive of the acting? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they had no idea what was. going on. Right.

It's not like it was passed down, like your parents were acting. Okay. No, no, no, no. So what was your first TV gig audition process like? Like, was that DeGrassey? It was. Yeah. You know, I had done a couple of commercial auditions.

I did like one voiceover commercial. And then DeGrassey was one of the first auditions for a TV show that I had. And I think they had actually, I can't even remember. It might have been instant star, which was the same epitaphic. to me productions as Degrassi, I might have auditioned for instance, our first, and not gotten it. And then they may have kept me in the back of their heads. But Degrassi was soon after.

And I, so you were like from the beginning of DeGrassey? No, I was in season three or four. I came in. Yeah. But yeah. I mean, it went on for a really long time. So it feels like it was the beginning. Yeah.

Did you get to work with Drake? Yes. Every one question. I bet. I actually didn't even write it in my notes. And it just came out because I, because I thought the same thing. I'm like, I bet she gets asked this question all the time.

Yes, all the time. Yeah. It was like Aubrey and Nina, Dora. Yeah. Like that whole era. Yeah. Are you still in touch with any of them? No.

No. I'm like, that was how long ago? So long ago. Yeah. I mean, I was 13 when I got on the show. And I'm old now, so it was a long time ago. Don't say old. How old are you?

I'm 36. I know. I'm offended. I'm 40. Oh, my husband's turning 40 in a couple of weeks. 40 is so chic. I love it. It's the best. Good. Okay. I'm glad to hear that. I felt like I was told that about 30 and like your 30s are wild. 30s are wild though. But it's because they're preparing you to be chic 40 and be like owning it.

I'm going to run with that belief. Well, everybody's probably different because you're obviously in a different realm of what you're doing in your life and everything compared to me. Like everyone's so different in their 30s. But I think we overall in our 30s are really trying to. to build ourselves up. Yes, big time. 20s, you're like, who am I? You don't even care who you are. And you don't care. I didn't, I didn't give a shit.

No. About, well, I cared about myself only. I was selfish, but I didn't care about who I was as a person. Oh. Where I feel like it's crazy to live 30 years of your life and then be like, who am I? Yeah. So then 30s are such a fascinating time of being like, okay, let's dive into this. Yeah, it's a lot.

Yeah. It's a lot. And I feel like when you're a kid, like I am now the age that like my parents will forever exist in my brain as you know and so the idea you have around your 30s from such a young age is that like everybody's got their shit figured out and then you enter your 30s and you're like all the shit I thought I might have had figured out figured out is is out the window um so it's been a lot of learning and growth this decade I feel like I'm I'll be I'll be ready for 40 when it comes you will

Yeah, you absolutely will. I feel like you've lived like 100 lives too. Yeah. Yeah, which, which is good. Sure. Yeah. We packed a lot in. Yeah. I feel like, like I try and think back on even 10 years ago when I was on The Bachelor. And I, it like, it like stresses me out that I don't have like very clear memories of it because I'm like, what a crazy time in my life. It was the first time I went on TV. And I look back and I watch some clips sometimes and I'm like, who is that? person. And you just change so much. And I feel like sometimes trauma blacks out things that happen or other times it's just like time passes. And I always think like, oh gosh, am I going to remember this moment right now? Like should I be journaling every day? Do you have like vivid memories from like being on set and do that or do you also do what I do? No. Yeah. Definitely. I feel like it was a whirlwind experience and it was like the highest highs on so many levels. Yeah. And the lowest lows on so many levels. Yeah.

So, yeah, I think trauma blockages. Yeah. Well, and the fact that you were 13 when you started. Yes. I mean, those years were like mellow because fame didn't come into play. I mean, you know, you're Canadian. Like, you get it. Yeah, yeah.

You know, it wasn't a thing. I feel like you just, I just acted, you know, it wasn't a big deal. And the transition to life in L.A. And graduating to the 902 era of my life was like, a lot to process and, um, and yeah, I definitely don't have a ton of vivid memories. I'm also like, I don't know if it's that I'm eternally pessimistic or what, but like the negative things stand out so much more. So the vivid memories I have are a lot of the lower moments than the high and, you know, I'm the same way. So you have, you have memories of high highs and low

lows. Like what, what in your memory is like a high that you remember that you're like, that was one of the best feelings. And again, same thing with the low. It's so random. Like the first thing that just popped into my mind was, uh, I was at a bar illegally, probably, you know, I was like 19 or where I'm from. Yeah, exactly. I was like, hey, you know, in the country I was living in, probably shouldn't have been there. Um, but I was at a bar in Hollywood and I don't know if it was an event. I don't know why I was there. But Tofer Grace, who was an actor from that set. he was like the main guy on that seven. I can't even remember the character's name. But I grew up watching that 70s show loving it. And he said hi to me. And I was like, hi, like really like, okay,

you must be mistaken. Like, why are you saying hi? And I was like, we've never met or whatever. And he was like, I know we have never met, but I know who you are. I see like, there's billboards of you all over the city. And having Tofer Grace, who I'd watched on TV for so long. reference billboards of me all over Los Angeles and know who I was and come and say hide me like that was just a that was probably surreal yes one of those moments where you're like I've done something like big yeah and like I think there's just so many pinch me moments and it's all happening so fast that you don't really believe that anybody else is seeing the thing you know you're like am I hallucinating right so at 19 this is happening yeah and you're saying like you don't

realize how big it is because do you, did you ever, and I don't know if you can even recall at that point in your life, if you had imposter syndrome or if you're like, I've made it and I deserve to be here. I think I was just along for the ride. Yeah. Honestly, like I remember when I booked the show, I went from, you know, I was literally at 9-0-2-0. 9-0-0.

I was at, like, my mom's, we're at my house, you know, and I was doing flashcard studying for my SATs. And I had auditioned for the show like a month prior. Hillary Duff had been offered the part. And so I was not sitting around waiting to find out, you know, whatever. I loved her. I was like, I'd watch it. Yeah, for sure, you know.

Take her. Yeah. And then I got the call for my agent and he was like, are you sitting down? And that was it. And I was like, oh my gosh, my whole life just changed. And nobody was picking up the phone. Like my mom, my dad, nobody was picking up. I'm like, I'm sitting with this life changing information.

And I have nobody to tell. And I went to my friend's house that night with a few friends and we were just all like jaw on the floor. Like, can you believe this? And they started Googling me. And they were like, there is a photo all over the internet of you and you're side by side with Hillary. You know, like this is crazy. And it was that. And so, you know, when we went to the upfronts, we had never shot a scene together and the whole cast was there. And they put together this beautiful sizzle reel flashing back to the original nine o'to. know, which is so iconic. And introducing us to the world is like the new generation. Like, I still get goosebumps. It was crazy.

And every reporter is like, can you believe like, are you ready? And I was like, for what? You know, like what? I don't know. I was on a TV show for years. And it was like no big deal. Nobody cared. I wasn't in tabloids.

Those things didn't exist where I was from. So I couldn't have grasped the gravity of it. And then it was just happening so fast that it wasn't about like, do I deserve this or whatever. It was just like trying to hang on for dear life. That makes sense. I always think about the story with friends, the friends cast and whoever the director was or creator of the show, whatever it was, he said, like, are you ready? Same kind of thing. And he took them on a plane to Vegas to go out and celebrate and gamble.

He goes, this is the last time you'll ever be able to go out in public like this. Like, so take it in. Yeah. You don't get what that will feel like. That is on a day-to-day basis. I can sort of relate, but it's so different because mine's reality TV, but it was like, I had the same feelings of, I mean, nobody's going to know or care. I'll be able to just go live my life after.

Like, I really didn't think anything would come from it. And I remember going to a restaurant, like the day after the first airing where there's 30 women and I like went to a small town restaurant and they're like, are you the girl from the bachelor? And I was like, oh, this is a thing. Like I always knew I watched that show But it's just like until you are in it And it starts happening

Yeah It's the weirdest feeling Because you still feel like you Yes You feel the exact same Of course You're still hanging out with your family Your same friends

Yeah And then all of a sudden The world knows who you are Yeah And it's overwhelming And it's fun And yeah It can take you down

Like very many paths Of like you said Highs and lows Yeah But your experience I feel like Would have been Even crazier

Because you were showing up as some version of yourself, you know, which is more precious and more vulnerable. Very much so. Yeah. Yeah. I can't fathom that. Somebody who was, oh, my trainer yesterday, he goes, would you ever get into acting? And I said, oh, I couldn't. I can sing. I can dance. But acting to me seems so hard. And he's like, but what if you just like played yourself? I'm like, oh, that I could do. Right. Yeah. But I don't know. I don't know who's going to take me on a role. like maybe on like a hallmark Christmas movie of a quirky weird friend like I can play that I can definitely play that but I actually forgot to ask you this because I don't know the answer to it

when you left degrassy was it a choice did they kill you off did you like how did it happen I booked 902 and oh and so you left yes so I left yeah okay okay I wasn't so I was not a regular character on degrassy when I started and then they made me a regular and at that point I was at the age where I would be going to university in the year. And so I was like, I'm either like leveling up and doing the next big chapter of this acting thing or I'm going to go to university. I'm going to go to business school and do that. So I didn't do the two-year contract.

So I was like a free agent. And I was planning on going to school. And then so timing was on my side with all of that. And then, yeah, I think I showed up for one scene and told me. my boyfriend, I was moving to Africa to volunteer. And off I went, never to be seen again. And like, I still get comments from people because I guess they reintroduced like my sister on the show and she had all this trauma happened to her.

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Yeah. It was, you know, both. To me, like DeGrassey was like my high school years and then nine or two and I was literally like my college years. They lined up in my life. Exactly. So it was both. Like we, they were the only people I knew in L.A. I moved there.

My executive producer like took me under his wing and I would go to his house for his, you know, family dinners. And Rob Estes was like very involved in helping me pick my first apartment to make sure that I was safe and was like, you need a gated garage. You need this. You need that. You know. And they were super protective of me, him and Lori, Loughlin, who played my parents. Yes. And yeah, so they were all I knew.

And, yeah, we loved each other and we hated each other. Yeah, that's family. And then when it ended. Yeah. I was just like, devastating. It was, you know, they're your people. Yeah. That's, I didn't even think about the gated, like, you were famous.

Like, you were like the main character. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. Because I didn't think about any of that. Right. But that's nice.

I was just stoked to not live in my mom. And he was like, first apartment, this is great. I'm in Hollywood, baby. That's, did you feel? Yeah, so you felt protected by people there. That's nice. Yeah, it was great. Yeah.

I don't think anyone could really protect you, you know, from what you were going to experience. But people tried and they were supportive. People tried, you know. They were supportive. What was like a scary time for you with that world? I think just the boundarylessness of the paparazzi at that time. time. I have not had a paparazzi experience in a very long time. So I don't know if it's still the same as it was. I think they're still pretty sick. Yeah, I don't know, you know. But at that time,

it was super invasive. And I remember one time calling my agent who was also unbelievable with me. I mean, he came, he helped me pick out my first car. Like, I'd never had a car. I got my license two weeks before I moved to LA. Really? Yeah. So he came to the dealership with me, caught my little Prius with me, And off we went, but I called him just in tears because I was like circling my neighborhood, not wanting to go home because I didn't want the photographers that were following me to know where I lived. And they were just running red lights. And it was like a real claustrophobic kind of freak out moment. It is invasive.

And then they find out where you live and it doesn't matter anyway. You know, what are they going to do? But that does feel so invasive for people to know where you live to be watching you. They're also hiding in bushes at times. And, like, grown men. And I was an 18, 19 year old girl living by myself. So it was like, take all the fame stuff out of the equation. That's just a sketchy situation.

Yeah, that's so uncomfortable. Yeah. So. And it probably lasted a while. Yeah. Yeah. Did you ever, like, have a moment with paparazzi where you were like, like, it was the thing and you're like, you can't live it down? Like the Britney getting into the car moment?

No, I don't think so. I think they, I really didn't give that much of a shit, you know? Like I, I kept my cool. I never like went off the deep end. I think they tried to spin it a lot with headlines and stuff that I was going off the deep end, but I wasn't. I was like super connected to my family and very grounded and whatever. But I think I just, by season two, I'd had enough of it.

Yeah. Like season one, brief moment of like, all my dreams have come true. Like I'm in all the tabloids that I loved. seeing Lindsay in Paris and, you know, whatever. And then you're like, this is like living hell. Right. So I don't want this at all. I don't want this attention.

This is like eating my mental health. And so then I just made myself like super boring. I was like, if I don't leave the house, if I don't go anywhere, then like eventually they'll just get bored and go away. Did that take a mental toll on you though to just like kind of seclude yourself? Yeah, probably. Yeah. At the time it was like the better of.

two evils for me, you know, binge watched a lot of TV and just like didn't really go anywhere and it worked. Well, because you're protecting your peace. Yeah. And that is helping, but also like that takes away your life at the same time with wanting to go out and do things and be normal. Yeah. Like I don't think, I think I lived very hard and fast and had a lot of crazy experiences in

that first year and I've got enough wild stories to tell, you know. Tell me one. I want to know like a shocking story that the viewers and listeners would be like, wow. I don't know. I've talked about this before, but there was one time, again, headline said that I was dating somebody very famous. Who? Who? Who? I'd never met them. John Mayer. I've talked about this. Why was I going to guess that? Well, because he's dated a lot of people. He's dated so many people. And there's so many people I know have connections that have stories that, okay, go on. A lot of people have John Mayer's stories that are real. I don't. I would. I was, yeah, I was. So it was a lie.

Total lie. I'd never met the guy. Funny. And so that was funny. And I like made some tongue and cheek comments about it on Twitter. Like this was like pre Instagram. Again, because in my head like never thinking. That's why I'm always, I was shitting myself coming onto this podcast because I'm like, I'm going to say something.

It's going to get, you know, because it just happens, right? Yeah. But. So I said something really didn't think anything about it, whatever. maybe it made news somewhere somebody saw whatever anyway cut two months later i'm at chateau which was like my second home okay was in l.A and it was a super dead night nobody was there was just like me and a girlfriend catching up and then sure enough john mayor and his friends walk in and i was like oh that's so funny ha ha like in my own head whatever you're like is this the beginning of a romantic

no not at all just kidding just kidding no but i was just like oh that's so funny like i'm actually seeing him in real life for the first time. Meanwhile, people have been saying that we're dating. And other friends walked in at another table and I was like crouching down to say hi. And he was, he offered me a chair to sit down because they weren't using it at his table. And I was like, oh, thanks so much. And I like could not help myself. Yeah. I was like just, you know what's funny? Like people thought people, uh, you don't know who I am, but like people said that we were dating and you know, whatever. And he was like, yeah. And blah, blah, blah. And like, quoted my cheeky tweet right back to me. No, you're kidding me. And I was like, uh,

what was your cheeky tweet? I don't know. It was like something like making fun of like, no, not my type or, you know, something like that. Amazing. So he, yeah. Oh, I love the humble. So that was funny. Yeah, it was really, it was really funny. He was very, he was being funny. And yeah, it was a very sweet moment. Um, he was lovely. But it was definitely a good reminder that, you know, you think that people don't care about the things. But everyone cares about themselves. So if there was something about him, he's going to know. I don't know.

You said it. Not me. But yeah. Yeah, that was funny. That was like a wild. Just because, again, I grew up listening to his music. Yeah. And I mean, he's like a legend.

A legend. Those like the toe for grace. It's like those were the crazy moments to me where I'm meeting people. Yeah. that I've looked up to, I've listened to, I've watched, you know, forever. And I'm in a realm right now where, like, they are considering me a peer of sorts, which still feels surreal to me now, you know, like I'm like a mom of two. I live in Tennessee, like so far removed from the Hollywood bubble.

But it's fun that I get to like have, you know, this wealth of crazy stories. Yeah. And when did you decide, like, was it actually 2020 you decided to get out? Or what was it like an acting moment of stopping? Like what was it that stopped your, did you stop loving it? Did you have acting? Yeah.

Like was there something that happened. No, it was just one of those things. I think the show, that whole experience, that five years was like super tumultuous. And definitely something I was ready to step away from at that point. I wanted to do other things. I always had other interests and other passions.

And yeah, so I stopped that. I have like quit and decided to, who starts acting again many times. I have a very love-hate relationship with that career path and the industry and all the things. So I stopped after 902 and O for a couple of years. And I picked up a marketing course at USC.

Like, yeah, I was just like dabbling in things. It's wearing all the hats. Yeah, learning and. That's great. Yeah, experimenting. And then I was like, okay, well, you know, it's hard to get any kind of job when your resume is just an IMDB. I hate you because that's all I've ever done.

Yeah. I would think don't help. I don't know. I mean, I guess it depends on the job. That's true. Yeah. What is the like worst job you ever had? I've only ever.

Oh, you've never. I've never had a like traditional job. Yeah. I mean, I started when I was 13. I worked at Denny's. Wow. Well, it was get, did you get free food though? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. It was actually not Denny's. It's, it's, it's, it's, you know, Smitties? No. Okay. Maybe it was only. I grew up in Alberta.

Oh, you grew up in Alberta? Yes. Oh, okay. Why did I think you were Vancouver? Did you live in Vancouver for 11 years? Like that to me felt like I moved out when I was 19 and then I moved here when I was 30. Okay. So Vancouver does feel like home.

Yeah. But I grew up in Alberta and I worked at Smitties, which is exactly like a Denny's. And I was hyped on the free food. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Except I was so mad that I had to wear my hair in a ponytail. Because I shaved my socks.

like up way too high one time because I like didn't like the hairs that were here. And so I like shaved them up. And then my mom was like you have to let them grow back. Like you can't keep having. And so I had to have my hair at a pony and I had these like stubs. Oh no. Oh no. I need a photo.

I probably don't have one. Burn them all. I probably did not have when I always had my hair down unless I was at smitties. That's hilarious. I still drive by that smitties when I go home to visit. And I'm like, crazy because that was probably like 15 when I started got my best job because I was on digressy when I was 13 but I desperately wanted to work at urban outfitters oh yeah like that was

like the old I had friend that worked there and so funny I applied and then they didn't hire me because they were like but aren't you like you film and what I'm like but not a lot you know like did people recognize you in Canada not really really yeah yeah Canada's funny like that though is. I also, when I worked in restaurants in Vancouver, I was taught and it was very important to the restaurant that I worked at. Like, you do not approach or say anything. You act like they are just like the next customer. Uh-huh. And you never like fan girl or anything. And I liked that. Yeah. Because I probably would have. But then I started realizing like, wow, they probably respect like just feeling normal. And like, I even served Tom Cruise once. And they were like, he was with a group of people and

they're like introducing themselves. And I'm like, and this is Tom. I was like Tom Tom like I'm sorry John is it John Tom oh Tom nice to meet you yeah like I probably went too far the other way where they're like you know um there's obviously like in that world I wouldn't even say rumors I think just like so many producers and executives I think this way about even reality TV get a really bad rep like there's some good ones and then there's some really bad ones what was your experience with producers yeah I I mean, my producers, the people that ran the show when I first got the job, they were the EPs of Freaks and Geeks, which is so iconic before it's time.

And they were just the best. Like Gabe Sachs was like a dad to me out there. And he made me feel safe during that first year when like it felt like the whole world was against me a lot of the time. And he made me feel super safe and loved. And that was everything to me during that period of my life. Why do you think they're against you? There was just a lot of like tabloidy fodder and negative things.

What's the, was it like body shaming? Was it? All of it. Yeah. I mean, literally everything that you could, I guess, say. You know, the tabloid era, it was right at the tail end of that toxic tabloid, Lindsay, Mary Kate, you know, Paris era. And then Perez Hilton would like do drawings on people's faces. like inappropriate things like I remember being thinking that was so awful yeah I'd have

yeah you were in that a few times you did yeah I'm Perez I know I changed his tune a bit but I know that's crazy so you had to deal with all that because now people obviously deal with the internet and social media and all that but tabloids is almost worse because you can't speak for yourself exactly yeah so people had no touchstone of like who I was or how I was or anything thing. So the whole narrative was controlled by whatever. And there was really nothing you could do about it. How do you get through that? It was hard. Yeah. I'm, I feel like I'm still, I'm just maybe now regaining confidence and unlearning so much of that. Because it makes you hate yourself. It really makes you like completely question your whole character, like your whole value system. It makes you,

you're like, gosh, am I, like, am I that bad? Because they're either pointing something out that you're like, is this something I don't see? Or they're pointing out something that you're already insecure about. So it's validating. Totally. There's so many different ways it goes and it's nasty. Or like, yeah, exactly.

Like, is that how I come across? Is that, you know, or how dare they, you know, sometimes when it is like just totalize, you're like, how dare they like spin this when I work really hard to like be the kind of person that I am? you know so it was really hard yeah it sucked but you know learning and and I wouldn't change anything for the world I will say that really I think it's it's built me it broke me down to build me if that makes sense absolutely makes sense yeah I think we all or I hope a lot of people

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that kind of kept you grounded. Yeah. Yeah. I've never been like, I don't know. I've just never, oh, are you friends with this? Oh, are you friends? I'm like, no, like just uniform.

No. Not because like there's anything wrong with that or whatever. Everybody's so nice in the business. And I feel like you share something unique and whatever. But it just, yeah, it's a weird world and it's not like the real world. I was going to say it doesn't feel real. Yeah. It feels invasive.

and Icky and I've said those two and performative. Performative. Yeah. It's just not for me. I'm glad you got out. Yeah. Because you got to have it and you did it big. Totally.

Yeah. And like I like literally just stockpiled like the craziest things to tell my kids about one day. You know, and now I, my daughter's a little, my daughter's just starting to grasp because she's super into Halloween and stuff. Yeah. And this year was the first time she understood. I had a little cameo in one of the. scream movies and so she's super familiar with like the iconic ghost face seven okay yeah so she she's

never seen a scream movie obviously but she's seen that that character everywhere as you do around october and the fact that you know i got killed by ghost face is like the coolest thing ever to her wait which scream one was this it was um scream four it was just like literally one scene right at the beginning so technically i wasn't in scream i was in stab six or seven or whatever it was like the the opener of the movie but yeah so she's like oh my god you know and then any like scream merch she sees or whatever she's like we need to get that because you were in scream oh that's cute yeah so it's super cool it's super cool and i'm not like now i i want to start auditioning again i feel like i i took a break then i was back because i was like what the heck

am i going to do with my life and i started doing the hallmark stuff and um i love homework so much They're just like the best as a network. And I had a great run with them. I've done a lot of hallmark stuff over the years, which has been lovely and super fun. And then I would take a break again when I had my daughter. I was just, I was on a Canadian show called The Detail. And I did a season of that. And we were on hiatus and I got pregnant.

And I told my executive producer, in my head, I was going to be like the super, you know, nanny, maybe even live in nanny mom, you know, like I, because I worked for everything. Like working was my whole identity. And, and then she was like, we'll be in touch, you know, like, because I was like two weeks after birth, like, I will be back on that set. Don't worry about it. She's like, okay, like, calm down. Maybe we'll give it six.

We'll figure it out. And then the show got canceled, which was such a blessing. And, you know, I just, it hit me. I'm like, I don't want to go back to set. I don't want to, I don't want to be at work for 15, 16 hours a day, five days a week, which is the reality when you're a lead on a TV show for four to five months at a time and have to uproot my family the whole time and move them here, there, wherever the next job is.

Like, that's not the relationship and dynamic I want to have as a family unit. And so that was when I, like, hit the pause button again and realize content creation was a thing. I'm like, cool. So I can kind of take all the parts and bits and pieces that I know of entertainment. in and I can do it from home and show up on people's phones instead of their TV screens which that's what they're watching anyways. I'm like, cool, let's try that then. And so that's, that's a great transition for you. Yeah, it was good. And now my kids are a little bit older.

They're in school. They're more independent. I'm like, okay, I'm, I think I have the, the itch again. You do a little bit. But I know I've been out for so long. So it's going to take time to reintroduce myself. You've got a pretty good resume. Oh, thanks. I don't know, but I'm like an adult now. I was like a teenager on TV forever, you know? So it's a totally different bag.

I have a lot of tattoos now. There's that. I'm a body makeup for a makeup artist. It's just crazy how young you started and how I like your journey that you've been on. It feels like very big. I know you're big into self-discovery and reinventing yourself and all of that, which I love because I believe that women can reinvent themselves whenever they want. Yeah.

Yeah. For sure. And I just think you've done so much cool stuff. And if, yeah, if you want to go back, you can. If you want to keep doing your content, you can. Yeah. I'm going to move on from that time in your life right after this. But did you ever date in the Hollywood scene? No. I didn't think so. No. I would have been a, oh. I was, first of all, like, actors to me. Yeah. It's like, it's a really. And I don't want to like tar everybody with one brush. Sure. Everybody's different. Yeah. But. But. But I think of it as it's a very self-invite. It's very vain. You're looking at yourself in the mirror all the time. You're looking yourself on camera all the time. It's just like, it's just not, not my vibe. I get that, you know? I get that.

Yeah. So it really was not for me. And again, like, I wasn't really friends with anybody in the industry either. Like, not good friends. I just stayed out of it. Yeah, I just tried to stay out of it. I would have been a disaster. I would have been like, I would have been the one that turned into like the drug

alcoholic, slept with all the boys. I'm just being honest. I just know who I was back then. And I was a party girl to the max. Yeah. I mean, I. And it's all right in front of you. Yes, that's the thing.

I think you have access to that pass. And you can easily, for sure, or go down it. But I think because people assumed I would go down it before I even kind of made a choice. And I didn't like how that read. I was like, cool, I'm going to go this away then. Good for you, though. Yeah, because I think people really wanted to paint me in the beginning as like, the next Lindsay, you know, she's in the clubs and she was drinking last night and, you know,

all of this stuff. And I was like, calm down. Like it's really not that deep. Like all my friends are like shit faced at college right now. Totally. Yeah. I'm like, I'm good. Like, don't worry about me.

But I think they really tried to paint me as that. And so it was a great deter. current because I was like, okay. You're like, I'll show you. Yeah, I just was like, ooh, that's not a, it's not a vibe that I want to be aligned with. I'm a Scorpio. Oh, I love Scorpio women. Do you?

What are you? I don't like Scorpio men. I like Scorpio women. Yeah, same. I'm Gemini. Oh, okay. Yeah. Cool.

Which I very much am. Like if your kids wanted, did they have like that itch to get into acting at all? No. If they did and they wanted to go to Hollywood, what would you say? Yeah. They would have to wait until they were whatever. Yeah. 18 or something, an adult person making.

Because you know too much? Yeah. It's protection. Yes. Yeah. It's a very toxic environment. Yeah. What is the most toxic about it?

I think just like for me, there's so many things. I'm sure. There's so many things that are so toxic about it. A huge part of it is just like value. Yeah. So a big part of it for sure, when I was experiencing that like little moment of like, of like, ooh, overnight success, overnight fame. That felt really toxic that there were so many adult people.

I was 18, 19, technically an adult, obviously we all know not an adult. Right. So many like real grown-ass adult people whose job it was to feed their families to tear down what I now would consider a child, you know? And like that is messed up. That is so messed up and unfordivable in my. opinion. And it's just unfortunate that that's the way it was set up at the time. I don't know. Maybe it's different now. But I think the most toxic part for me as a person is just like the

constant rejection and your value inside and externally being tied to your last success. Like you are worth more to other people and therefore you're worth more to yourself in your head. The more success you have. The more famous you have, the bigger the job you book you get treated differently by everybody on your team you're going to be favored by your manager you're going to be favored by your whatever agent publicist because you're making them more money well that's such a slippery slope to go down because you want to please them you want to be the next big thing you want to do better than your last one you so you're just chasing this thing unattainable like totally unattainable yeah and it took me like stepping away from it all like

really consciously stepping away from it to be like hold on like wait right i have had value as a human being this entire time hold on wow wow that was so liberating that is liberating so liberating and it felt so great because when you're hot you're hot when you're not you're not and that whole rhetoric is very real yeah to a lot of people in that industry and in that that environment. And it's super sad. And I've like moved here to physically step away from the FOMO and the should I be chasing something that doesn't feel good to chase and all of that. And and I was like, guys, guys, you, you all need to leave L.A. Like, you all need to like feel what it feels like to just be a person and like just, you know, live a nice life and have friends and have a family.

It's possible. That's enough. Yeah. Like, come with me. You're shaking them. Like, start the car. Yeah, it's just that, you know. But because I grew up in it, I really, I bought it for so long. I mean, I do it even in like the influencer world. I have to really take a hard look at myself sometimes to be like, what am I chasing? What am I doing this for?

And it can, like, gosh, sometimes I'm so hard on myself when I look back on photos of what I look like five years ago. And then I go, I'm not going to get this job anymore because you have to look this certain way and this and let's be honest everyone focuses so much on looks if you look older they're mad that you aged if you get Botox they're mad because you look fake and like all these things people just focus on looks all the time still so much to this day but you did get most beautiful people article with no makeup on didn't you oh my gosh yeah I was just talking about that this morning that's really weird because I haven't thought about that in since it

happened in decades. When was that? That was the first year of 902 and O. So that was like 2008. How did that happen? I don't know. They just like, you know, the show's publicist was like, you're all going to be doing this. But I have Rosacea. And so that way, I was, and I was talking about it because things are happening. I'm putting on my little like entrepreneurial hat. And I'm, yeah. So I was talking this morning to somebody regarding what I plan on doing next year. And I was like, you know, it reminds me of that time. You don't know this. But back when I was on 902 and O, I was in this issue of like people's most beautiful

or something like that. And we had to have no makeup on. And I was shitting myself because I have Rosetia and the girls in my show are so beautiful. And I was like, I got to show up there with my red ass face. Like, I can't do anything to cover it up. And, you know, I was so anxious about it. And it was all cute and whatever in the end. But that was like, yeah.

Well, it's when you're in that. spotlight or people know you for looking a certain way to like bear down and feel exposed. It's probably liberating at the same time. And then I think I love to see celebrities without makeup when they do those because I think I always think people look better without makeup. Always. Even if they look like in people's opinion haggard or whatever, I'm like, oh, they look so cute. Yeah. Everybody's so airbrushed and photoshopped and glammed up to the max all the time. And it's it's really crazy. So how do you personally remain like not, I wouldn't say maybe confident, but like work on that confidence of just being you without falling into the traps of, I fall into the traps,

Botox, all the things. Right. I want a nose job even though my nose is literally perfect because I'm a psycho. I'm not ever going to do it. I always say that. No, I wouldn't, I wouldn't let myself do it. I just like, I'll look in the mirror and say something and then I immediately go, you're crazy. That was not, that we are not doing this. Yeah. But how have you? you held on to your confidence of with being picked apart in the media for so long. I don't know. I think I always, I was always a confident kid as far as how I looked and stuff like that. For me, it's about like self-expression and personal style and playing with makeup as just

like a fun toy and all of that. I feel like it sounds obnoxious. But for me, the lack of confidence would always come from my character and how was I coming across. I mean, as a Scorpio woman, we can be quite fierce. And that can make people uncomfortable. And I think settling into that, like getting okay with other people's discomfort at my authenticity. That's their response to me being truthful about what I believe and who I am and my sense of humor and whatever else, you know, and that's okay. People are allowed to be uncomfortable. I'm not everybody's cup of tea. I know.

that. I was saying, I'm like, I don't care because I like coffee anyway. Like whatever, you know, like it's just not, that's not for me to take on. And I think that's been my journey for confidence. As far as how I look, like, of course, whatever, we're women and our bodies change so much. I've had two kids, two C-section. So my body, you know, will never be the same in a lot of ways. And I don't know. It is what it is. Like, it actually shocks me how much of the time I realize I've gone the whole day. I've been to the bathroom, washed my hands. I've been. in front of mirrors and I don't even know what I look like. Like I have no idea how my makeup's holding up. I'm like, shit, I could have had like stuff in my teeth and mascara down my face

all day. That is hashtag mom life. I didn't even clock the mirror that was there. I probably should have, you know, but that's amazing. I don't know. I'm just like, it's not what makes me most valuable. Well, your parents probably didn't put value on your looks. No. And my mom is like, she's never been a big makeup person. She likes what she likes. She's not big. And, into aesthetics. And so to me, it was just, that was my own thing. I was into it because I thought it was so fun. Yeah.

But it was never a reflection of like womanhood or value of a woman. I love that. And the way I grew up. That's nice. I've been working on that one. I've been working on that one. But what do you think is the biggest insecurity fame gave you that you've overcome? I would say being tarred with the brush of a bitch.

I don't even like that word because I find it. It's like a form of flattery though. I'm like, hey, bitch. Yeah, like that is fine that I say like that too. Like, you know, what's that bitch is that? Yeah. But I don't like that as a derogatory term. Yes.

Because it's only used against women and it's only used against strong opinionated. Always. You know. So I think that like being okay with who I am. And if you don't like it, again, that's a you problem, not a me problem. But it really, again, I'm an. I'm a Scorpio. I am a strong outspoken woman.

And I am firm in my beliefs and whatever. Take me or leave me. But it was like used against me so much. And not just from fame, but childhood and child trauma and all the rest of it. So that's taken me like a whole ass lifetime to heal from and be like, no, I wasn't. There was nothing negative about me. I wasn't bad. You know, I was just being me.

And that was, so I don't need to change. I don't need to like shape shift into some vanilla, you know, easy to please lady. Like that's, I'm not a lady. No, me either. I always called myself whiskey in a teacup. There you go. People's cup and tea. I'm like, that's because I'm whiskey in there.

Yeah. Like, it is what it is. And I like that about me. I like women like me. Me too. You know what I mean? So I do too. I feel inspired by women like you.

100%. I remember Shannon Doherty, rest in peace, like working with Shannon for a brief period, sorry to throw back to that era, but she was somebody that, again, notoriously tard with quite a negative brush by the media and blah, blah, blah. And I, when I worked with Shannon, she was the one I was most excited about because like fellow brunette, whatever. Like she's my girl. And she was her presence just calmly and confidently commanded a room. And she was so warm and so kind and so open to like my super green self and working with me. And she gave me like this bear hug when I met her.

And I was just like, oh my gosh, I'm obsessed with you. And so just seeing a woman like that in real life, having a real life experience with her. And she really was all the things that people would say she was. But they just said in a negative way. You know what I mean? Like there's nothing negative about this. This is all the goodness right here. And it's just different perspective. So yeah, I think that's that. I'm like, no, no, don't be less of who you are. Be exactly who you are and worry less about some negative spin that somebody else is going to put on it. Because the people who are putting negative spins are either doing it for money.

Sure. Or you have something that they want that they could never bring out in themselves. Yeah. And that's just facts. Or it challenges them. Yeah. And that makes them uncomfortable. Yeah.

And that's not my problem. I love that. I think that's the most freeing feeling in the world is being who you are. And if other people don't like it, knowing that that's their problem, not yours. Yeah. I feel like you can relate to that. Yeah. And if you don't mind me asking because I like this topic, I am on my own little journey here.

because I saw that you've identified as an atheist, but recently you did an interview saying that your views have shifted into being like a believer in more of a higher power, which is where I'm at. Sure. I'm very, very spiritual. Definitely believe in a higher power.

But I just feel like I'm on a journey and I'm curious about yours. Oh, cool. I'm not on a journey. I've like never, I don't know. I've never really thought that hard about it. I grew up super Catholic. I think I probably said I was an atheist. and I was like 16 in an interview.

Me quoting you. It's on the Wikipedia page, but it's so funny because it's something that stands out to people because I guess the term atheist is very polarizing and can make people very uncomfortable. And so it's something that I get asked about randomly. And I'm like, oh, that's still on that Wikipedia page. I don't even know how to update that Wikipedia.

But I, you know, it is what it is. Well, that's the thing about the internet. Whatever is put out there, people believe. Oh, yeah. Like, that's the craziest part. People could say anything they want about me and everyone can rally behind them and be like, yes, sure. Because I think, like, I don't know.

I don't even know, is an atheist, like, they don't believe in anything. Right. Okay. Yeah. So I don't know. I think for me, I definitely want to believe in, like, something greater than all of us. I think that is just what makes sense. Life has proven that to me over and over again, that there's something else, you know, at play.

And I think when I was in Japan during the, I was there in 2011 in the big earthquake and tsunami. You were there for that? Yeah. Holy she. And I wasn't religious, you know, grew up Catholic, got confirmed. My mom was like, cool, no one is going to die happy. Yeah. You don't have to go to church again like you're good, you know?

And that was it. And I found myself praying to my grand who had passed and my best friend who had passed to like keep me safe and whatever. And it's like, I can't remember who said it to me, but something about like nobody's an atheist in a foxhole or something like that. Like you find yourself, you know, and maybe it's just because I grew up Catholic. And so it's deeply ingrained in the back of my head, like pray to the, you know, big guy upstairs and whatever. But I think it offers peace and comfort.

I see it with my grandma, my nonna's 93. She has dementia. And, you know, everybody arounders died. Like literally everybody, right? She's 93. She's outlived. Most people she knows. And like Jesus is her.

bestie and that makes her feel so happy and she's like ready whenever it's her time because she knows she's gonna go you know hang with her bestie and her husband and all the people yeah and she so she it brings her peace it brings her joy when like when i think of being 93 and and my you know mental well-being spiraling down and physical health being so limited and all of this stuff i'm like gosh imagine i'm gonna like get up for another day but you know what i'm like that That's hard, man. And she's just like tuning into mass and it makes her happy. So I think there's something so positive about it.

I think there's a lot of negatives that can come with all of it. And so I have personal moral issues with a lot of things that have kind of been constrained into this idea of religion that I don't actually think are related. That's what I struggle with too. You know, and so for me, that will always be a barrier to, and, But I think it's nice now that I have kids, like to express gratitude. Yes. To feel comfort, to feel a sense of peace, to put value on being kind to other people and trading other people how you are.

All of those parts of it. Yes. I'm 100% here for. I get that. I'm similar. But yeah, that's similar. That's tough. That's so funny that that's what.

I'm like, shit. I'm an atheist. Yeah. So you're an atheist. Tell me about it. What is this journey? You've had this come to Jesus moment, literally. Tell me about this journey.

Yeah, not that deep, but that's, no, I like, I just like hearing people's thoughts, but I'm, I'm aligned, I'm aligned. There you go. And I want, the last little topic here, you have a clothing line. I do. My husband and I, it was like 10 years ago, we were like two. So you've been new to your husband in a hot minute. Yeah, we've been together.

Josh, right? Yeah, almost 14 years now. Long time. But we were just like young. kids in Hollywood who were alternative and whatever and he had a t-shirt brand with a friend and then he moved to LA and I was like, I want to do that. Like let's, you know, we'll do it. And we did it for like a hot second and we're like, we have no idea what the fucking thing. Like we should not do this. We have like real jobs and we got to work and make money and whatever. So that was it.

And then it was like last year, I think the content creator thing started to, wear on me. It started to feel a lot more like the parts of acting that wore on me, which I don't know if you can identify. I'm sure you can. All the time. It's hard, you know, the numbers game and trying to keep up face and really just kind of feeling like you're sitting on your hands, waiting for an email with a subject line offer to come in to let you know if you're going to earn a living. This week, month, you're, you know, like. I relate to that very much. It's brutal, you know. And I was like, I want to do something that's just like for me that I get to wake up and be passionate about and have more control over the outcome of. People love your stuff.

Yeah. You know, it's so tiny. It's so tiny. But anytime you post about it, everyone's like, give me, give me, give me, give me. Yeah. People like it. Yeah. People like it.

What is it called? Two halves. Two halves. Yeah. And yeah, we've been doing it. We started it back up a year ago. And we're like fully baby stepping every step of the way. But it's all navigating it.

And like it's so fun. It's so fulfilling to have an idea and then move through the painstaking process of trying to figure out how to like make something tangible based on that idea. And having the good quality and like where you get it for all those things. There's so much that goes into it. So much that goes into it. I love your ugly Christmas sweater. Thank you.

Yeah. It's really cool. Yeah. So it's been fun. That was what will happen, but it's nice to feel like I can sink my teeth into something outside of, you know, this world. That you also enjoy doing. Yeah, I love it.

How do, this is my problem. I have like an entrepreneurial brain. Uh-huh. And I've started two companies and they've done well. Yeah, you've done super well. Well, thank you. But also, I have so many others that I like start and then just don't even finish. Yeah.

Do you have advice for people if they want to start something like how to commit to the bit? No, I need the advice. I know. I need all the advice. It's so hard. I was talking about this. And that was where I ripped the band-aid off. I'm going to start a new company next year.

And I've been talking about starting this company, wanting to start this company for two and a half years. Wow. And I'm like, what am I waiting for? I think it's the actor in me that's just like really depends on external validation to feel okay about what I'm doing, you know, like a director being like, good take. Okay, we're moving on. Or an agent being like.

Like, here's an offer. You're worth something still. Yeah, I get that. I'm just so conditioned to function like that. So the thought of believing in myself enough to go for something and take a risk is like very foreign to me. And I'm trying to wrap my brain around it in real time. But my girlfriend has a salon in Nashville. She's a stylist.

And she just opened a salon in Franklin called Summer James Salon. but she's an amazing like inspiring entrepreneur and I said to her a few weeks ago right ahead of opening the salon because she was talking about doing it I'm like but how'd you get the money like did you get an investor did you invest yourself you know I'm like picking apart the whole thing like how is this happening because this is such an incredible feat to me and she was like yeah and I did this and I'm doing that and blah blah blah and she said it all I was like oh the conviction with which you just laid out your self-belief in building this company is like the sexiest like I I want to be that bitch

that's a good use of word I want to be that bitch she is that bitch she is that bitch and I was like that is so that's what I need I have I have self-belief I have like a real hustle mentality I'm a grafter I'm a do you yourselfer like I do all the moving parts of everything all the time I'm not used like I've never oh investor oh this brand is like that's not my world I am a real build from the bottom up kind of gal and I'm okay with it you know but it's the part of like having that conviction to take the idea to start it and then to keep on moving with it yeah to build it to where you wanted to be that like I I'm only now being like I'm stepping you know it's the year of the snake is ending and so we're all going to be in our our horse girl era yes

next year. I'm like, I'm like, we're going to, we're going to do it. We got to like stand tall and stand proud and go for it. So that's like my 2026 vibe. I'm like finally going to have the balls to believe in myself publicly. I think I want everyone listening or watching. I just looked at them like this. If you're watching to like have that mentality. Like we're shedding the old and we are going for what we want this year. I love. that. Because I don't find it cringy. The women that I look up to, like Jacqueline Johnson, Florence Given, these like amazing women, they sing about what they have going on and their successes and their passions like from the rooftops and it looks brilliant. Like I think it's amazing. I'm hanging on

their every word. I am clapping and cheering them along. Like I don't find it cringy. So I think it's great. I think it's so attractive. I think it's good. energy when I see women thriving, it thrills me. And I'm like, maybe if I just open that up, if I, if maybe if I share what I'm doing proudly, maybe there's going to be other women that are going to see me doing that and they're going to be cheering me on. Yeah. And they're going to be like wanting to support me.

And I, you know, it's like, but you got to give people the opportunity to do that. And you can't just like, cower and hide away. I've always been like one day when I'm a multi-bizant. And all of the things that I do is so successful, then it'll tell everybody my origin story of how I built it. You know what I mean? It's like, no. People want to see how you build it.

People actually like hearing about people's failures too and the like triumph of trying again. For sure. I think that's like the coolest part about building something. Yeah. It's hearing the stories of like how you came back from something that you thought was going to destroy you. Yeah, it's real.

We all have those stories. Yeah. And you got to like share and talk about it. champion other people's failures and learning lessons and say, I've been there too. There's a creator. I love Valeria. And she, have you seen her? Why do I know that? She's, I think she lives in Toronto. She's not Canadian. I think she's, but she does, I want to say she lives in Toronto. Anyway, but she, like, she was, like, celebrating my, like, first big fit. And she had, like, champagne and she's shaking it up. Yeah. That's where I saw it. Yeah, her, like,

clothing business folded or whatever. And I know exactly. She has the accent. And she's very funny. That is, I've talked about. about this moment and I didn't remember who it was. Yes. I've said she popped champagne for her failure and I've talked about that before. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I loved that.

Yes. So did I. It was like, yeah. Like I think we're in this culture of like my house is so big and my business is so successful and I'm so busy and you know, all of that. And I'm like, are you though? Because like I'm not. And then you kind of peel back the curtain and you're like, oh, like none of us are.

We're all just like figuring it out and doing our. I don't know why we don't have more understanding and patience and, like, compassion for other people. Yeah. Because we are all going through. And it's, well, it's probably because we don't show those moments enough. Okay. Let's talk about that feeling when a party invite pops up. And suddenly your mind goes blank about what to wear.

I feel like this happens all the time. It actually happened to me last week. When I realized a bunch of holiday events are coming up and I had not planned a single outfit. I thought, I don't know, I'll find something. I'll find something in there. And then I was like, I need something festive, but still show stopping. And then my brain immediately went into overdrive and I got overwhelmed. That is so classic, Caitlin.

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going to tell me like, it's just like more of like the unfiltered mom moments. Yeah. This is more like rapid fire, not a game. Okay. Most ridiculous parenting moment recently. Oh gosh. Most nights. My husband calls me the fun police in the evening.

Okay. Like seven o'clock. I swoop in. I'm like, bedtime, everybody. We are done. The day is over. And it is kind of like a metal mosh pit in my living room come seven o'clock most evening. So, yeah, I would say that that's kind of, it's a regular affair, but it happened last night.

Love that. The last time your kid humbled you instantly. Oh, my daughter humbles me constantly. Yeah, she was in my closet a couple days ago. I posted it on my Instagram stories, but she likes to come in. She likes to tell me what she wants to inherit. And when I'm, when it fits me, can I, I, I'm going to have this and I'm going to have that. And then she looked at one thing, pa, pa, pa.

And then she looked at one thing, pauses and goes, you can give this one to Granny. I was like, that's, yeah, a moment where you pretended to know what you were doing and absolutely did not. I feel like that's just every day. Yeah. Really, truly. I think so too. Yeah. But you're just winging it always.

Absolutely. Yeah. Because everyone wings it differently too. Uh, the most absurd thing that you've said out loud as a mom this month. Oh, my gosh. I don't, I can't recall this month specifically, but I remember vividly turning around and saying, no howling until we're out of the car. And I was like, what the hell just came out of my mouth?

Like they are literally howling like wolves at the top of their lungs. And I like, my brain can't process that in confined spaces. I was like, no howling until we're out of the car. I'm like, wow. Here we are. Things I never thought I would say. A parenting rule that you said you'd never break, but totally did. Oh, having, sleeping with my kids in the bed.

Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I'll break that so hard. You have to just eventually waves the white flag. Survival. Yeah. You got to just surrender. A kid's product that you think is 1,000% overhyped.

Personal devices. Like an iPad. Yeah. I love that you said that. Yeah. Yes. I'm like, it must be very challenging to not do that. I don't think it is.

It is. It was just never been like a, just don't have an option. Yeah. What do you do that when the kids all, their friends have it all and then they think like, that's come up for my daughter recently because she's seven. And she's in technology class. She has a technology class at her school. And she's like the one kid. So like doesn't know what to do with the thing. And I'm like, that's a good problem. You got all the time in the world. We are all addicted to our phones. She sees it with us. I mean, you know, we're always on our phones doing what we do. So it's like it. It. It. It. It. is what it. I'm like, you've got the rest of your life to get a difference of technology. It will come. Don't you worry. I love that. Be behind the times. Last one is what hill will you die on as a mom? Ooh, really trying to protect my daughter's fire, but teach her how to harness it. I love that. Yeah, those are two things. I had one parent that really tried to put it out my whole life. And then I had one parent that was overcompensating for the other one trying to put it out. And so she was just like fanning it, but not teaching me how to harness it. And so the real world taught me that very quickly and harshly.

And so that would that that is my like number one, I think, purpose in my life. I know that. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Okay, if you guys are watching this in either the YouTube comments or a clip on social media, I want to know moms out there. What is the one hill you will die on as a mom, your rule in your house or what you like believe in? I like that.

Okay. Thank you so much for coming. Yeah. Thanks for having me. That was really a fun, easy conversation. And I'm excited for you for the next year with things, projects coming up. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see.

It could all be one big epic flop. Nope. And it's a massive lesson. Yeah, exactly. It leads to the next thing. Yeah, you get it. Yeah. You get it.

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