Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Spencer Hedges | Becoming a Dad Through Surrogacy & His Facelift at 33

Episode Date: July 16, 2026

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Figs RX, you can get 15% off your first order. Merritt Beauty. Right now, Merit Beauty is offering our listeners, their signature makeup bag with your first order at M-E-R-I-T beauty.com. And Apartments.com, the place to find a place. You're listening to Off the Vine with Caitlin Bristow. Hey everybody, welcome to Off the Vine. I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow. Today's guest is someone that you've probably seen all over your social media. Spencer Hedges, he first built a massive following as one of the internet's favorite makeup artists, creating incredible transformations, teaching makeup in a way that somehow makes all of us feel like we can do our makeup like a professional. I actually really find

his content calming. I tell him that at the end of this podcast because there's something about watching somebody do their makeup. I don't know if you feel the same way as me. I don't know if it's because as I was a kid, I would sit and watch my mom do her makeup. I don't know if it's nostalgic for me or what, but Spencer's story has become so much more than beauty because he recently became a father through IVF and surrogacy. And he's been just incredibly open about living with bipolar disorder. He made headlines after sharing that he underwent a facelift at the age of 33 years old. So I dive into kind of the why he did that. What I love is that he just doesn't shy away from conversations that people are curious about. Sometimes people just don't know how to ask.

So we talk about all of that, and I just hope you enjoy this conversation with the one and only Spencer Hedges. I want to start with what I think has been the biggest transformation in your life, and that is becoming a dad. Congratulations. Thank you. It's been the best transformation. I bet. I love that you like don't obviously show her face, but her little curl in the back of her head is cute enough for me to don't even get me started. Aren't they just adorable? Adorable. I'm just like even just her doing

your makeup. I just love it so much. And I know people know you obviously from beauty in the beauty world. But when I was reading more about your story, I realized that becoming a father wasn't just something that happened. It was something you obviously intentionally chose. Of course. Which I think is incredibly admirable. So growing up, did you always want to be a dad? Or was this something that you grew into? Because some people, you know when little girls, like I played with dolls, I always wanted to be a mom. but some people grow into it, some people never come to it. What was it like for you? Well, you know, I love my dolls too.

Yeah, yeah. Things don't change. But I would say when I was 13, I knew I had wanted to become a father. Yeah. At 13, my little sister Alina was born. Yeah. And when I held her, the first time I was like, oh my gosh, I want to be a dad one day. And this is at 13 years old, right?

And at 13, I decided, okay, I don't know how, but I'm going to make it happen. And I never envisioned myself, like, being with someone. Yeah. like maybe because my parents were like divorced and you know just kind of being like raised by a single mother it just always envisioned you know raising a child single yeah and so anyways i moved to l.A when i was like i don't know what i need to do i need to make some money i need to figure out a career because it ain't cheap going through IVF and surrogacy and all these things not cheap at all yeah yeah so the end goal was never to become a makeup artist or grow my business or whatever i just wanted to do anything that allowed me

the opportunity to grow my family. And this was in L.A. Where did you grow up? In Florida. Oh, you grew up in Florida. Hence the Florida. Okay. Got it.

I finished my last two years of high school, homeschooling. Really? I got my GED, and at 16, I packed up my car, and I was out of there. Was there a reason that you wanted to do homeschooling? Or did you want to? Was it a choice? It was a choice because what I wanted to do was I wanted to accelerate my last couple years and I wanted to get out of there.

And, you know, schooling wasn't great. to my whole, you know, with bullying and all that and kids and something that I'm sure a lot of your viewers and listeners can relate to. It's just, you know, kids are, we can be awful sometimes as human beings. Like, listen, like when you're going through that age, like, we don't realize the impact, words have. I know what's, I was thinking about this the other day because my, one of my best friends, her kid is going through something similar. And it's so interesting to me because I was thinking that same thing. Kids don't realize the impact, but also it's like they'll say them so easily, but they feel them so hard.

And I have always, kids are, you know, they don't understand. They don't have their frontal lobe isn't developed, whatever that whole thing is. But it breaks my heart that bullying is such a thing that who doesn't go through it. Yeah. You know, like, too casual. It's way too casual. Like, it's just, it's the expected norm going through high school or middle school or elementary school.

And it shouldn't be. I know because everyone, it either builds character or completely breaks you down or, you You know, it's just, it's so, it shapes completely who you are and how you think about yourself. And I'm like, that's such, so fragile. You're so fragile at these times. And you're so impressionable. Like, it's the end of the world when you hear the most awful things. And I will never forget.

And this is in fact when I decided like, that's it. I'm washing my hands of this. I'm going to become homeschooled. When these guys, they were seniors, juniors, I don't know, it was my freshman year of high school. And they had to, I can laugh now about it. Yeah, yeah. They took my backpack and they threw it in the urinals and you can just imagine. You know, I'll let you use your imagination.

And it had gotten to the principal that my backpack was missing. This had happened to it to my books and my belongings. And they gathered the whole school, like 500 kids in the school in the auditorium. And by that time, you know kids. Like word gets around quick, right? So everyone had known that my belongings, you know, what had happened to it. And the principal wasn't aware that everyone else knew in this auditorium. So he's saying something to the effects that, you know, one of our students are a victim of X,

Y and Z and everyone's just looking at me laughing. I'm just like, you know, sinking in my chair. I'm like, get me out of here. My gosh. That's so, will you homeschool your daughter? You know, that's something honestly I'm going through right now. I'm like, I'm so torn. Yeah, I bet.

Like homeschooling, I loved. It was great for me. But she is very different than I was. Right. She is so social. She loves being around kids. She loves just that interaction where I was just such a, I was so introverted. in a way, I feel like I'd be doing her a disservice, but real talk, I'm just so nervous.

My thing is I'm so nervous about everything we hear nowadays and just like the awful things that are happening at schools. I know. Just as a parent, like those are like the nightmares I have. Yeah, I bet. It's like, what do I do? I don't know. I don't know. I tell everybody that's listening and watching, I'm always like, I already have anxiety for my unborn children.

Like, I already think about those things. I can't imagine when you're in it. Yeah. It's a lot. But so you always kind of had this desire. It's interesting that you were 13 when your sister was born because that is such a, that would change my opinion too. Because when you're four and you're another sibling's born, you're like, who's this new person? And like, I don't want to.

Yeah. And you're taking the attention away from me. But at 13, you're like, I get to help and take care. Yes. And we were very, very close. Very close. And I just felt like this natural instinct. and I kind of just like foreshadowed the rest of my life.

I'm like, I have to be a father. Anything that else happens, I've become a makeup artist, pursue my dreams of being entertainment. Great. Yeah. That's just a stepping stone. I need to become a father. So you didn't think,

because a lot of people think they have to have the right things in order to have a family. Oh, I got to find a partner. I have to be here. I have to have all these life decisions lined up and feel like this is the perfect time. Right. But you were like, nope, this is my.

Well, you know, Well, first of all, honestly, I mean, it comes down to finance is for a long time for me. It ain't cheap. I know. I want to talk about that. And well into the six figures, you know, having, you know, going through surrogacy and IVF and all that. But so obviously being financially stable is an important part.

But a lot of people to what you were saying, do you think that they need to have all their ducks in a row and all their eggs in a basket in order to build their family? Whereas I always felt like, you know, yes, I want to be so much stable, but I don't want to feel like I've made it in order to start a family. Like, I'm only, I've only reached the tip of the iceberg. I got a lot to accomplish. And I want my baby to see me hustle and bustle and put in the blood, sweat, and tears for something that I'm eventually going to pass down to her. Yeah.

You know, I'm not going to give it to her on a silver platter. I want her to see her dad work for it. I love that. Well, she's already coming for your job. I saw her doing your makeup. It's just so cute. How did your family react when you made this decision? They weren't shocked.

Yeah. They had always heard me hear me say that I wanted to have a child. And that was my dream. And for years, even throughout these big moments in my career, my mom would just see me like just so down. I'm like I just don't feel right experiencing this. I feel like I'm missing something that's having a baby. I want to experience these accomplishments with a child, you know, with my family.

I don't want to experience all of this and then, you know, settle down. No, I understand that. And what would you say your biggest fear was starting the process? Biggest fear. Honestly, there were no fears because I truly felt ready for it. What a beautiful feeling. Yeah, I went into a completely fearless. Yeah, so clear.

I knew what I wanted. And I enjoyed the process. There were a lot of ups and downs. Yeah, for years. But I just felt so grateful and privileged to be able to experience going through the process. process and having the resources to do it. And my surrogate was someone so close to me. And there's my sister-in-law. Oh, it was your sister-in-law. Yeah. Beautiful. And she, first of all, loves being pregnant. She's one of those guys. She loves it. Yeah. But we had spoken about it for years and

years and years. And we decided that when we both felt like we were ready to do it, we would go for And during that time, the house across the street went on the market. So that's when I moved to Florida. I moved across the street. So I could be a part of every appointment, every meeting. And it was just such a great privilege. That's really sweet. Because I feel like to be connected to the woman that's having your baby is also, I don't know.

I'm such an energetic person of like what that would be. I just feel like that is not that it's not special for anyone who doesn't do that. but that would be special to be close to that person, you know. Incredibly. Yeah. Right. And I trusted her. And that's something you don't realize until you're going through the thick,

you know, the thick of it is that having that trust, that 100% complete trust is not something that you can take for granted. Because no matter what, it's just, you know, you put so much into this process that you just hope that your embryo, your baby's in the best hands.

And I never had it for a second, never had to like wonder or feel concerned. and kind of like yourself. Like you said you're into energy. Like I always felt like while my daughter was in her belly, like she was around the best energy because she was around all of her cousins in a sense. And, you know, my brother. And I was across the street.

I am a big believer in all of that. And I think Sergis is like something that people hear about all the time. But unless you go through it, you don't really, you know, know what it's like. Or how the process even works. So you had had this conversation with her before. So that's kind of where it began because I was going to ask that. But do you start with a fertility doctor? Like for somebody that said at home may be interested in doing a surrogate, where would they start?

Well, I'll be honest. It's kind of a blur. Yeah, yeah. There were a lot of moving pieces. I mean, there's so many different options you can take, right? So in my case, I had an egg donor, and I found my egg donor through an agency. You can also go through an agency to find your surrogate. In my case, I was very lucky where I had my sister-in-law, and we had always planned for that.

And then from there, yes, you do meet with an IVF doctor. In Florida, because that's where our IVF doctor was, our clinic. It's very similar to California, actually, but we do have to go through different tests. We have to go through psych evaluations, both the surrogate or gestational carrier and the intended parent. And there's a lot of protocol. we had to have escrows in place and lawyers and there was a lot involved. And we treated it. My sister-in-law, it wasn't like a favor in exchange for a favor.

Like we treated it like a proper surrogacy because it's a big deal. And it's a lot like I don't take it lightly. It's a lot for someone to go through this process. It's not like, yeah, she's had six kids and she knows what it's all about, but it's also very different. And you never know how you're going to handle it. And that's why it was also important to me to kind of move back. And just so that way she didn't get birth. And I was like, Astilauego.

I'm going back to L.A. You never know how one's going to react after you carry a child. I always think about that because I think I would get all like, no, that's mine. See, I couldn't do it. Yeah. And that's just like being real. I don't couldn't do it. It takes a very special, selfless person to do it.

That's for sure. And my, I didn't look at it. Yes, I looked at it that way before surrogacy in this whole process and about like, well, at the end of the day, it's like, I don't know. Like, they know what they're signing up for. At the end of it, I was like, gosh, like literally my sister-in-law is an angel. Anyone who does that is an angel. And there ain't no amount of money that you can pay someone to go through that and just like selflessly do that. It's not about the money. Like they're doing it because they truly want to give that gift to a family. I agree. I agree. It really is. I always say teachers, um, doctors, teachers, and now I'm going to add that to the list. The surrogates. Yeah. For sure. And choosing an egg donor must be so, like, overwhelming.

Yes. How do you do that? How do you choose? Well, it came to, well, going through, depending on the agency, of course. But it's really interesting. I've never gone through, like, online dating. I'd imagine it's somewhat similar. Like, you know everything about the whole family tree and whether or not they're left-handed

or right-handed, their favorite food. what their allergies are, if they've had surgeries, their background. I guess the most important thing to me was that I wanted someone who had a diverse background. So, you know, I'm Cuban, I'm Cuban American, and my egg donor is half black, half German. So I just felt like my daughter would have a diverse background. Yeah. And I want to lean into that. And I don't want to keep her from that.

I want to introduce her to her background and all that good stuff. So that was important to me. But everything else was just like, listen, I just want a healthy baby. That's all, that's all. I feel like that's all anyone could ever hope for is a healthy baby. But that, I mean, that does, if that's something that's important to you, then I'm, I like that you can, you probably had so many options. So many. Yeah.

It's not like you're like, oh, got to tell. You actually can look for a healthy, whatever it is on your. your list, education. Like, you probably can see everything. Everything. That's why I would find it's overwhelming. Overwhelming. And it gets to a point where it's like, let's suspense. Like, you just, as I was saying, you just have to be, you just want a healthy child. You can't get too into it. Who cares if they like Alfredo sauce or tomato sauce with a pasta? Like, Selena's going to want what she wants. Yeah. Yeah. And also too, there has to be compatibility with, you know, blood types and all these, there's a lot of like logistics.

To do you communicate with the donor? No. You can't. You can if you want. Oh, you can. Okay. It comes down to the preference of the donor as well as the intended parent. And in this case, I'm like, I can't keep it too.

I can't complicate things. And I don't think the donor, excuse me, had wanted any contact with the parent. Got it. I respected that as well. I have, so I froze my eggs when I was 32 and I always think about if I am not going to use them, I think I would donate. That's, that's just as much of a gift as a surrogate, you know, holding a child. But I understand not wanting to then have communication because then I think I would want to be too involved and I think I would be overbearing. I think I would be like a crazy lady.

Yeah. At what point do you think that you would decide, you know what, I'm going to donate them if you were to choose that? Uh, probably if I don't use them by a certain age. Like, I'm hoping to get pregnant naturally one day. Um, but again, I am 41. So I'm like, well, it sounds to me, I don't know if I'll have to use them or not. But, uh, like, one of my friends Carson, I feel like it would be, I always said, I would, I would donate my eggs to my friend Carson. If he ever chose to like, go that route. But then I'm like, uh, he was like, no, because I, you would be. I always said, I would donate my eggs to my friend Carson. Yeah. if he ever chose to like go that route. But then I'm like, he was like, no, because you would be overbearing. You would act like it was your child. And I was like, yeah, that's fair. But I don't know.

I think it would just be if I don't use them because what else do you do with them? Yeah. You know? That's true. And I saw, I got embryos on ice and I think about that. I'm like, I only want one right now. Yeah. And I'm really happy with our little family tree that we got going on.

But if I were to have another one, I think it would be after she turned 18, after she moved down and did her own thing. Yeah. Wow. But I also would see myself adopting too. Yeah. I think about this stuff all the time. But so, oh, wouldn't you? Wait, it gets you're only 33. Yeah, I got time. Yeah, you do have time. Like, even when she's, what, 18, I'd be like 50, 49, 51, something like that. Janet Jackson did it. Yeah. If Janet can do it. If Janet can do it, you can do it. I can absolutely do it. Janet is a powerhouse. That woman is a boss. Are you dating right now at all? No. No. Oh, okay. So are you want, like, are you, I don't know why I get this vibe from you that you don't care if you are dating or not or like don't care if you find someone or not. I've never dated. I've never been in a relationship.

What? Never, like, real talk. I want to experience at least once in my lifetime, but I don't feel like I'm missing out. Like, I'm so, I feel my cup is so full right now. I love that. Like, I love my, I love my life. I love my baby. I don't have to compromise with anyone on my parenting techniques on what we're having for dinner.

you know, the laundry detergent we use. Nothing. You know, like I love my life just the way it is. I love that a lot because I think that's, I think that is the most, one of the most important things in life is to be so happy and secure on your own and have your own cup full. And then if you do meet someone, it's such a bonus. And if not, then it's, you don't know what that bonus would ever look like and you don't care.

Exactly. Exactly. As I said, I want to experience it. I have to at least once in my life just because it's life and I want to experience. Why do you think you think you haven't dated? In the past, a lot of it's been because of insecurity. Like, I'm not good enough. No one likes me.

I'm very, and it comes back to like the early years of high school they were talking about. Yeah, of course. Always does. But also, I'd say that was a majority of the reason up until maybe I was like 26. How'd you get past that? I don't know. I just like, I don't. It got to a.

point maybe social media because there are so many opinions with social media and and in a way I felt like high school really prepared me for this life that I just there's a sense that I really don't care what people say about me or think and I like you just a strong friend group oh that's so important and a family that's so supportive that I'm just like so in this lane right now of working and building this little empire that can pass down to my baby one day and it coming from a good place and You know your priorities. Exactly. You're like, you think you can hurt me?

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Yeah. And honestly, there is. Yeah. There is. And unfortunately, there's not a lot of, maybe it's changed in the last few years, but there's not a lot of options besides paying out of pocket for most families. And at least here in the States, I understand that over in Europe. You get a few, you have a little bit more perks in terms of, you know,

benefits but um i gosh i forget honestly i mean i think it was about like 300 so thousand that's what i was going to my friend also did this with his husband and that's the number but then there's probably these unexpected expenses that catch you off guard oh at some in the beginning like every single penny i was so organized by the end of it i was just like just take everything take the shirt off my back i'm like come on man you're like just take everything and you know at that point you don't name and care. You're like, I just want this baby. No kidding. We can live in a tent over on Santa Monica Boulevard. It's, but she's got

her bottle, her love, and fresh diapers were good. Yeah. And then what was delivery day? Like, was it scheduled or did her water break? Like, was it, what was that day? It was scheduled. Okay. It was scheduled. And it was

very chill. It was just myself. And her, of course, Jessica, my surrogate, and her husband, which is my brother, Nathan. And it was just the three of us because that's how it started. My brother was very involved too, so supportive. And that's something that, like, a lot of people don't think about. You know, when you enter into a gestational carrier, you know, arrangement,

is that the support of the husband is so important for that surrogate. Yeah. And he was just, I mean, he put in a lot of work, too. I mean, he didn't carry the child. But, like, he was so involved with medications and just the emotional support and the backbone of it, especially when I went through my ups and downs. because while I wasn't expecting to have a full-on midlife crisis in the midst of it, when one of the transfers didn't work, he definitely came through.

Wait, can we talk about that? Sure. So you had a midlife crisis? When was this? We transferred, it was after. Like a quarter life crisis because you were probably like. I suppose, yeah. Yeah, when the transfer just didn't work, it just didn't stick.

And for some reason or another, I thought, like, I was just so strong. and I was prepared for everything because you go through such a process to get to that point that I'm like, you know what, if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. It's okay. It's not meant to be. Like you tell yourself that, but when you're actually going through it, it's like, gosh, dang. Yeah. That's like a knife through the heart. And you just don't, you think you prepare for that, but you don't because you hear all these,

you watch all the vlogs and the stories online and this and that, but no one really, you know, they always show the aftermath of them having the baby. It's all, it all works out and it's all for a good cause, but it's when you're in the moment, it's like, it's much tougher. Yeah. And what does, I'm going to keep calling a quarter life crisis because you're not, you're not mid yet. But what does that look like? Like what happened?

What did you do? Well, the day I found out, I got the call from my contact at the clinic, the IVF clinic's dispenser. Because they were running blood work and stuff. It says, you know, I'm sorry. Sorry, because we had works. There were some, it took a lot to get to that one embryo, I should say. And when it just didn't work, she could just hear it in my voice. Because I had been flying to Florida almost every other week for every transfer, for every appointment.

And I was working like crazy throughout the night just so I can. Oh, my gosh. So I was just mentally drained. And she told me, I was like, no problem. I understand. I, like, didn't process it. And I was on set that day. And I remember I was.

Oh, God. I was filming some kind of video, a tutorial, using the palette was literally called like the happy palette or something like that. And it was like smiley faces on it or something of all things. And I just had to like push through it and just film this video and this content. It was a long shoot day. And at the end of it, I just remember having like this breakdown. I'm like, oh my gosh. And I went online.

I was crying. I don't like I don't show my deck of cards online. I should try that. I show too much, too many cards. I had a fallen breakdown online and I was crying and yeah. It's honestly all a blur that day. And it still gets me choked up thinking about it because it was such a difficult moment. Oh, I'm so sorry.

But so many families go through it and so many couples and women and men, you know, go through that process and we all go about it our own way. And for me to say, you know, it's all worth it. And, you know, it's a breeze. it's in the moment it really sucks yeah i think it was it probably was important that you showed up online that way that day because i feel like what for me personally when i see people online i'm like okay there's this new trend i'm really loving and it goes yes but and you show like the perfect picture but here's it without editing and here's it without this and like yes this my room looks aesthetically pleasing well here's my kitchen and it's a disaster

and I'm just showing you this. And I think I crave people showing up with like, sadly, they're demons online because I go, oh my God, I'm not alone. Or in your case, like that's such a, to go through something so painful that so many people sadly can relate to. I think it's important when people show up like that, even if you regret it or not. I don't know if you do, but. I actually, I don't, you know, in an unusual way, it kind of restored my.

faith in humanity a little bit. Exactly. You know, this process up until that point I never shared. And I am such a private person. I never had intentions of sharing it. And that day, I just had like a breakdown. And the whole world knew my business because I cared it. And honestly, it was a great thing because so many people showed up for me.

And I think in a way, in the back of my mind, up until that point, I just had like this unresolved pain with people in general because of high school. No kidding. And I'm very cautious. I always had my guard up. and I just don't show my emotions like that because I don't want to be vulnerable, but that day I was. And my community, like, they're like ride or die. They showed up for me.

Spence, you need anything. You call us up. And I, I'm a Scorpio. Like, once you do me right, I will not forget. And I'm just so grateful every day I seriously think about, like, everyone who showed up for me that day and just, who didn't even know me. They don't owe me anything. They literally just took time out of their day to write the nicest thing or write the nicest email or message. So it's the past.

power of vulnerability and what it brings out of other people. Like, you probably didn't even know the kind of community you had built online until you do show your cards and you do show up with vulnerability that you realize, oh, I always call the internet my digital family. Because I'm like, it's still dysfunctional and there's some haters in there. But like, everybody's got a drunk weird uncle, you know? I know that. I'm really big on mental health. I love talking about it. And I want to know, did that teach you something about vulnerability and to share more because you've been open about bipolar disorder? Did that kind of encourage you and say like, wow, I can share more? Yeah, absolutely. And it gave me this feeling that social media can be a safe place.

You know, everything I had known about social media up until that point was more of a professional atmosphere for me, you know, me providing content to our product to the consumer, to the community, you know, teaching. And for me, it was more so about saying Spencer, it's okay to ask. It's okay to have your hands open and say, listen, I need help. And that's not something that I do very easily and that I'm working on. But in that moment, that definitely taught me it's okay to accept help and it's okay to be vulnerable and to say, you know, I'm having a tough time. Yeah. But I just feel like people, they misunderstand I think that diagnosis

with bipolar and they think you can't be you're so calm online you're not yelling you're not these one or two things but I just like I remember Selena Gomez opening up about having bipolar and I was like it's people give certain

like mental health whether you want to call it a disorder or not they give it such a bad rep but we all deal with something and what does that look like for you on a day-to-day basis, like how you, you know, show up in the world. Well, I mean, it definitely, it's been a learning curve and I'm still trying to figure it out, even after all these years of being diagnosed. When were you diagnosed?

I would say when I was 21, I believe. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so it's been about 11 years, 12 years. And there were many years before that, you know, I had started seeing a psychiatrist when I was probably about seven or eight. Wow. And I had seen a lot of psychiatrists and therapists between that time. and 21 and a lot of them have brought it up and for some reason I always got it confused like I just didn't know I got it confused like with schizophrenia and so I always thought the symptoms were the same and I'm just like I'm I don't have that yeah you know I really don't believe I do and they would want to put me on medication I'm like I can't do any more medication

until I met with a psychiatrist in LA 21 and it didn't feel like he was coming from a place of judgment like this is what you have let's put you on a medication it was just like hey Why don't you look into it? See if you, you know, resonate with some of the symptoms. And I did some research on it. I'm like, my gosh, I started on medication for it and treatment. And I noticed a change. And what that looks like for me, back to your question on my day to day, I take it day today.

I don't know. When I go through, you know, an episode, a manic episode, it doesn't last a day. Right. It lasts two days. It usually lasts weeks and sometimes months. Wow. And they're highs and lows. But the only way it really affects me is that I don't work when I'm going through an

episode because I just don't want to be presented that way. I don't want people to see me that way. So you're able to kind of step back and realize you're having this moment and do what's best for you. Yeah. I have to. That's the best way I can handle it for myself and it looks different for everybody. but what people see is the very calm version of me, the me, the version of myself that I find is me.

Yeah. But there's also a very different side of me that when I'm going through that, it's best. You know, we just recycle content and we pre-film a lot. And so usually there are times people don't see me for weeks upon weeks. Yeah, yeah. Well, good for you for knowing and you're able to do that. People, I think, can take on the cues. When I start going through an episode, I already have my, they know when I start, because I become very, like my thing, it's different for everybody, of course, but I become very frantic.

I can't talk clearly. I start spending like crazy. Oh, really? Yeah, like buying cars or I have to pick up move. I do very irresponsible things and I don't sleep at all. And it's like I just had like 20 coffees, 24-7. Like I'm just very frantic. And forgive me for like not knowing enough about this, which is kind of part of my point here for you to share information because I would like to be more knowledgeable on it.

But do you, you can recognize in that moment and does the medication like not help with that? It does. So right now, you know, at this point in my treatment, which has been going really well for the last, I'd say, yeah, like eight or nine years. It's like really when it started leveling out. I don't really have any highs like that. And I also don't have any lows. For me personally, like, I just, I don't have really, like, exciting, happy moments in my life. I don't feel like that serotonin, like, just happy, like, I don't know feelings.

But I also don't ever feel really, really depressed like I used to, you know, where I wouldn't leave my house in weeks or even for the mailbox or just, I would gateway, eat like crazy. So there's no highs or lows. So it just feels kind of even now. And I also know how to handle myself. So like a lot of people, you know, they know me for being very calm and having this very calm demeanor and presence. But it's also just me like self-soothing. Yeah.

Even though I'm very like frantic and just have anxiety. It's just me calming myself down. Yeah. I actually can understand that part. I have learned over the years to the power of the pause. I call it. Okay. we all know this feeling when your to-do list is so long. You don't even know where to start.

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I wouldn't guess a few months ago. You look like so healed and. I'm still so swollen. I can't feel. Really? I can't feel anything. How long do they say you'll be swollen for? Complete swelling.

He was saying goes down at about a year. Yeah, that's, okay. I've heard that. So how do you personally decide to share? and what is your thought process with sharing it with the world? Well, you know, I wasn't planning on sharing. Oh, okay. But, you know, I had decided to share it because I was going through something I wasn't

expecting, which is like, you know, in my situation, I'm talking about, you know, skincare and different ingredients and formulas that encourage several turnover rates and which tightening on the skin and lifting. But it just felt weird for me to say that without disclosing. Also, just so you know, I've had a facelift, which helps, you know. That's fair. Because coming from someone, I have every product you can possibly imagine. The $5 cream, the $1,000 eye cream, and I have access to it all.

And I can tell you right now there ain't nothing like a needle and thread, okay? There's only so much skincare can do. And so I felt in this procedure, it felt important to disclose it. And, you know, I'm not ashamed of it. And I see what you're saying. We're like, you don't want to. it's not so much about normalizing it, but you don't want to casualize it, right? Especially to such an impressionable audience.

And when they're younger, it's like, oh, okay, it's very casual just to get a blef or a face lift. I'll just go do it during lunch. My lunch break tomorrow. It's totally not. Like you really have, it's a medical procedure. And I think more than anything, what's most important is that you're in a really healthy state of mind when you make that kind of decision. Now, this is where I totally agree. And I'm the same way. And I've always said, like, I will happily get a facelift. I said at 45. That's when I'm going to do it.

People would argue that you're not in a healthy state of mind if you're going to get a facelift. I disagree. Because I just, I love the thought of staying young and looking young and looking rested. I love it. Now, does that come with self-hate? I don't believe it does. I agree with you. But I see what people are saying when they have that question, you know? Of course. And a lot of people going around, you know, you're referring to, like, who are going around with a picket stick saying, like, you don't need to do this or that to be happy or you're insecure if you're doing X, Y, and Z. At the end of the day, like, no one gives us the job title that we're supposed to be the spokesperson for anybody's life.

And in my case, all I can worry about is myself and my family. And I made a decision that was best for me. I lost over 100 pounds. Whoa, did you really? Yep, over the years, I lost 100 pounds. My, you know, things just were looking a little different and my face just felt tired. And I felt tired. I felt tired. It looked tired.

And I said, you know what? I knew who everyone was going to for their facelifts because as a makeup artist, I knew who my clients were going to. And I knew his work. And I think there's also a stigma with facelifts, like plastic surgery in general, because over the years, we think about people like back in the 90s and early 2000s who had a facelift. there's so much tension on the skin. And they looked like they went through a wind tunnel.

But the face lift I wanted, there was no tension on the skin. He went deep into the layers of smas, the tissue, the fat, and anchored it up from underneath the muscle so that there was no tension on the skin. Like people look at me like, I didn't even notice you had a face. Right. I'm like, exactly. Yeah, good. And I think the true results were shown about five or ten years, you know, because things

are kind of just anchored. But doesn't that scare you? Because to me, what's scary is that? the trends change. So I'm like, now we look back at those women that look like they went through a wind tunnel. And I'm like, now that's like, ah. And then I go, what's going to happen in 10 years if the beauty standards are different? And then I look like I went through a wind tunnel. Yeah. Well, I just have, I've made the choice. I can't abide by trends. Yeah. Because it's definitely not on trends at 33 to get a facelift. I don't think. And I don't want to make it a trend, you know?

Sure. But at the end of the day, I got to lay my head down on that pillow every night and with a clean unconscious. And so I said, listen, if I'm going to be promoting products, skincare that give you these results, I need to be completely transparent on what I have done. I respect that. And by the way, skincare, listen, I don't believe skincare can do all that much lifting at the end of the day. And I've said it since day one. There ain't no amount of money or check that a brand can cut me to say otherwise. I think it is life-changing when it comes to the texture and the integrity of your skin. my a facelift can't change like I have pretty decent skin but it has nothing to do with the facelift it has to do with resurfacing procedures a lot of product genetics too yes what is your

favorite skincare product if you can yeah I love anything resurfacing okay um so like I like I still love a physical exfoliator I don't care what anyone says I live for like a facial scrub yeah and I also love a chemical exfoliator so I'm talking like AHAs BHs chase salicylic acid. I love retinal in small doses. So yeah, like glycolic acid. So anything that's going to exfoliate the skin. Yeah. But like obviously not every day. Oh, you let. Girl, I know. I know. My dermatologist like suspenser, you need to chill. I literally go hard every single day. I can. It'll remove my spray tan. Both. Well, that's true. That's true. That's true. Physical and chemical exfoliators I use every day. I would not recommend that to anyone unless you build a

of tolerance. Okay. But I do. Um, I just want to go back to the facelift for a second because I did want to say, I found something in here and I was like, wait, this is the conversation I feel like is happening right now that people are getting, um, facelifts younger because it's preventative. Um, did your surgeon say that that's a real thing? Like, how did your surgeon explain like that? I approached him about it. Okay. Okay. I had to beg him for it. Um, I had to beg him for it. Um, for like a couple years. Um, yeah. I was ready around 30. I wanted to do, I wanted to do it. I'm seeing 100 pounds too is a different story than just somebody at 31 wanting to facelift. Exactly.

And he knew my style. Like he knows I didn't want to look like, you know, pulled and snap. Yeah. I didn't want to abide by that trend at all either. But he finally is like, listen, I see what you're seeing. You're obviously coming. You're mentally stable to make this decision and you're set on it. And I, again, working in the business and being around.

And people who work on camera, I know who's having facelifts. And 33 is not a crazy age nowadays. Entertainment. Right. I don't want to. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's it.

It is such a thing. I've been seeing this everywhere about facelifts. Yeah. Was it very invasive? Like, did you feel like it was a crazy healing process? I'll tell you what. The actual facelift itself and the necklift I had, easy, peasy. Like, not a problem.

at all. The brow lift, let me tell you. That is not for the faint of heart. Really? That is gnarly. I would never, I don't think I would do it again. I know I wouldn't do it again. Interesting. Yeah. Do you have to do it again once you, like could you get a second facelift if you're 70? 100%. Oh, you can. Oh, you can. I last for like, I don't know. They say 10, 15 years, you know, a good smas or deep plane facelift. Oh, okay. I think I'll do it one more time in my life, probably what I'm like, maybe in my 50s if I want to. Right. But at the same time, what I'm 50, I don't want to be working on camera. I don't want to even care what I look like.

I want to be on the island in the middle of nowhere with my baby, my grandbabies, like, you know, with a martini. My hand just live in life. That's what I say too. I'm like, I hope at whatever age it is, I'm going to go 70. I hope it's 70. I am just like this rich bitch with a cigarette and a martini, not giving a shit. Sorry for my language. Not giving a shit about what anyone thinks about me or what I love.

look like and just caring about my family and my animals. Exactly. If we have a turkey neck down to our knees, who cares? At that age, well, I might care. A little bit. Yeah. I don't know. I don't let it get there. I won't let it get there. I wouldn't have guessed that that the brow lift was what gotcha. Yeah. Interesting. Why is that? It's like the most intense migraine you can ever imagine. Like, I was locked in my room in a dark room for days. Like even my alarm clock, like the light from my alarm clock, I could not have on. I ripped that thing out the wall so quick. Any bit of light I could not have on.

It hurts so bad. And you just felt there's a knife. I would say about five to six days. That was unbearable. And you're on painkillers as well. Was I? I don't think he gave me. Well, that's on you, boo.

Well, he said, he didn't give me any. He's like, you're not going to need it. I already had some. And I'm like, I popped those like they were. Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm a tough cookie, but you go through that. Forget it.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. You've got to be on something. For the first couple days, it was gnarly. But at the same time, like, thank goodness I had help with my daughter. Yeah. But I still had to make sure the house was operating. Right, right. There's this podcast out of L.A.

They were podcasting before me one time. And they're plastic surgeons. And they were talking about the post-surgery anxiety people get of what have I done? I had that. You did? I think everybody does. Yeah. What did that look like for you?

The first couple days, it's like, you're going through that like glamorized, like, phase where you're like, I just got a facelift and everything's a little swollen. So you're like, wow, this really worked. And then I'd say about, I'd say about two weeks. I was like, what have I done? Spencer, what? Really? Yeah. And it wasn't until maybe three weeks ago that I was like, all right, I'm starting to see the light at the end at the time.

Wow. Yeah. Because I was so swollen. on the side of my face, and I still am, like, this is all so swollen because it starts here and it starts going down and down. And now all the swelling is kind of like right here. Yeah. And I'm like, I don't even see a difference with my neck or anything. My doctor's like, it's just swollen. It's swollen. Yeah. Goulden. Give it a few more months. And I'm starting to see the results.

Well, swelling, that's, uh, do you know Jesse Draper from Secret Lives and Mormon Wives? She is a girlfriend of mine and she got, I don't know what she had done, but I think she did like fat removal or something. And she is still mortified at going through with the surgery. and she's been very open about it online and talks about it all the time about how she's still swollen and she is not happy and how she got a lower blef

and they took too much skin and now her eyes are like too open and it's so scary to think of like the regret that could come with it. Of course, of course. And that's just like where trust plays a factor. Like I trusted my doctor and I remember before, you know,

lights going out before I went under. I said, I looked and I'm like, doctor, natural. natural. We can always tuck and pull a little bit more if need be, but once you go too far it's hard to go back and especially for like, I'm a guy.

You know, I didn't want to over-feminize my face and I know that's Rich coming for me who puts on a full-all lash and lip and the whole shabang, but I didn't want to over-feminize my face. I didn't, I don't want to mess with my eyes right now. I didn't want to do the bluff on me. I think it looks fantastic on women. Most men, I think it over-feminizes

the face. And there were different. Bradley Cooper and. Great example. Yeah. And Adam Levine. Oh, really? Yeah.

When did he, I saw him like two months ago. Did you get it done since? In person you saw? Yeah. And he didn't look like. No. Okay, that's where I get confused. I'm like, is AI just tricking me?

And it wasn't actually him. And I just saw a photo. I don't know. Maybe I need to get my eyes done because from what I saw. He didn't look up. When you say Bradley Cooper and like different, you know, guys who I've seen had an upper bluff, they look a little. little, they can tend to look a little, um, what, uncanny is the word? Yeah. Yeah, it's just like,

something's off. I don't know. I think it's attractive for a guy to have a little like hooding on the upper eye. Me too, me too. Um, I'm going to put a side by side of them up on the screen for when we, so that people can see, because I'm curious of other, maybe I'm just going crazy. Who knows? Um, I feel like you work with women of every age, skin tone, every face shape. What is something women should be updating as they get older? Skin care. Yeah, skin care. Yeah, skin prep, skin care techniques, too.

You know, I think we, you know, baking and using a full coverage concealer and all that stuff, it can look great at 20. And it can look very different when you're 80. Yes. And then at the same time, though, if you're 80 and you want to do all that, listen, go for it too. I have a friend, she's about 70-something and I can do the full, full coverage, concealment. and the powder and the baking and the setting and she loves it and it looks great on her. Really? So you don't have to abide by trends and rules, but I'd say skin care.

Well, would you say that there's one makeup mistake you see over and over again that you wish people would fix? I think people just try to abide by trends. Yeah. You know, see something online and saying, okay, well, it looks great on her. It's got to work on me. Right. Or it looks great on him.

It's got to work on me. I would say trying to, you know, thinking that a one size fits all in terms of of trends and techniques. It's often not the case, I don't think. Yeah. I love the makeup, no makeup look, like the Haley Bieber. Yes. She just, the clean girl aesthetic.

I feel like it looks so good on, well, on her specifically, because she's just got a good face. But what's one small change that you think makes the biggest difference? Hmm. Right now, I think it's lashes. Yeah. But it's like the type of lash. Not the one that looks like a full-on strip lash.

Yeah. But if it's done right, like nowadays, I have these lashes that go underneath your natural ones. Have you seen those? Yes. And I think they look so fantastic. Like a few little clusters just opens up and curls the lashes up. That's, I want to, I want to know whatever the Kardashians are doing for their lashes because they're like that. They look natural, but they're just like spaced perfectly, but like little clusters.

Don't you love that? Yeah. Live for that. I've been on this hunt for like years now trying to find the perfect cluster where it almost, looks like a like like wet lashes like you just stepped out the shower and just kind of like spikey or like you just like you just cried it's not like a full dense like thick lash it's just like a few little spider curled up lashes that looks so pretty something i would uh suggest stop doing is using a like long wear transfer proof fully matte full coverage foundation yeah not only do those

tend to oxidize a little bit on anyone regardless of your age. It's just it it doesn't tend to I don't know settle well on skin that is starting to become a bit more mature, a few more beautiful fine lines. It just doesn't settle the best. Yeah. And what do you think one thing is you should start doing? I've got from you skin prep. I feel like-skin prep. Yeah. I don't know. But that's not just even at 30 or 40. Yeah, that's true. I don't know why I put ages on this. 15. Like you're starting your makeup, just make some good old skin prep. It doesn't have to be expensive either guys. You know, exfoliating.

Yeah. And it doesn't have to be like an aggressive physical exfoliator, like what I was talking about earlier. Dermilogica has a daily facial scrub that is fantastic because it's not aggressive and it kind of breaks down. You can use it every day. And that helps just kind of break down any of that dry skin sitting on top of your skin.

And that's often what makes the foundational cake. Ooh, I have a question. Yeah. You know those like, what are those little razors to take? tinkered razors, whatever, that remove hair. Yeah. Is removing that peach fuzz only going to make it grow back twice as much? No, it won't.

Okay. That I know for a fact. It will not. But the reason I'm not fond of it, and I do do that on clients, especially for red carpets and stuff. Yeah. Or if they want that really glassy look, it does make a big difference. At home for the everyday user, it's easy to use, reuse something or just not use proper, cleansing, you know, routines.

And it can easily lead to infection and causing acne, getting folliculitis, you know, if you're not using proper care. Oh, God. Yeah. Well, glyculitis does not sound fun. Yeah. Anything's theitis at the end. I know. It just sounds scary.

You know, oftentimes you get clogged little hair follicles and stuff if the razor is not being properly sanitized. Yeah. Okay. One product that's worth spending money on and one products that's aware. waste of everybody's money. Gosh, I mean, gloss is something that I think is a waste can be a waste or like a lip liner. There's just a lot of times are made by the same manufacturers, especially lip liners. People don't realize that, you know, they're often from a handful of manufacturers

around the world that all these brands go through for lip pencils. So there's that something you can save money on. What you should splurge on. I know what it is, a powder. Oh yeah? A good face powder. Okay, what powder do you like? There's so many. Right now I'm kind of going through a phase where I like the Natasha Donona, you know, one. I love one size is ultimate blur setting powders because now they've got different shades, right? So you can use like a pink one for underneath the eye and they use something a little bit more golden around the face. But there's no shimmer in them.

So there's no mica. It's not going to accentuate any texture. So I live and I die for the one size ultimate blurring setting powders. What else? If you want something a little bit more on the affordable. end that gets you a lot of bang for your buck. R-C-M-A has a great powder. Ben-E-E-E. Ben-E-E. Ben-E-E. Look into Ben-E. Okay. If you want something. How do you spell that?

B-E-E-N and then NYU. Okay, okay, okay. It's like a pro-make-up artist brand, but it's still accessible with the eye online and they have tons of shades and it's a great product. Okay, amazing. Getting that ASAP. Before we wrap up, we're going to play one quick game called Keep or Toss Trend. Okay. So I'll just throw out trends. You tell me, keep it or toss it forever. Let's do it. No overthinking, okay? Okay. Soap brows.

Toss. Lash extensions. Toss. Brown mascara. Kee. Yeah, okay, good. Yeah. Overlined lips.

Keep. Okay. Why not? If it's done right, if it's done right. Yeah. Lip flips. Like with... The Botox.

With the Botox? I don't know. If it works for you, keep it. I've never done it because I just like... I've never done it, but. Fair enough. Cream blush. Keep.

Okay. Yeah. Drugstore mascara. Keep. Love. Do you have a favorite drugstore mask? There's so many, honestly. Do you know what?

I use Cover Girl, the tubing mascara. I love it. Oh, interesting. It's in a pink bottle. I use it every day. I like a good tubing mascara because you just and rip out your lashes, you know, wash it off at the end of the day. I feel, it's so satisfying washing it off.

Yeah, it kind of just like feels off. That's cool. It is nice. Fo freckles. Keep. Good. I have some on. Okay.

Full glam in daytime. Whatever floats your boat, you keep it. I love that. Skin tint versus full coverage. Like which one do I prefer? I guess so. I like both. I really do.

It just depends on the person and like just the vibe. Yeah. Like on camera, I like full coverage. I can't lie. It just reads. Camera, I agree. I'm going to be out in natural light or you're going to catch me in an elevator with that awful lighting. It's going to be a skin tint.

I agree. And then last, where can people find you and what kind of content can they expect from now? They can find me on TikTok, on Instagram, YouTube. It's all at the Spencer Hedges. And what kind of content is, well, educational content? If you want to learn how to do makeup what the best makeup products are, what the not so great makeup products are that aren't worth your money, of course. I keep it pretty real. And also, just my life as a dad. You know, the ups and the downs and everything in between. Yeah. You're a good follow. Everybody go follow him. And thank you so much for coming on and sharing and being vulnerable on the podcast today, too. I really appreciate your honesty. Thank you for giving me a safe place to do it. Always.

And I'm so happy for you and everything you've accomplished and what you've done here. So thank you for having me. Thank you guys for listening. I'm Caitlin Brissau. I'll see you next Tuesday. Welcome to Pluto Fo. If you know the name of the movie you'd like to see, just stream it for free on Pluto TV. Where all your blockbuster favorites are landing all summer long.

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The world has been watching Kale for half of her life. And it never got the beginning. The camera showed up. up at 16. Everything that built her happened before they ever started rolling. This is her story before anyone was watching. Part one of Kail Story is out now on For the Hators. Listen to it wherever you get your podcast.