Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Spencer & Heidi

Episode Date: November 13, 2019

Kaitlyn has an in depth talk with Spencer and Heidi of MTV's The Hills about all things life, love, and social media. The couple showers Kaitlyn with positive energy as she tells them the backstory behind adopting Ramen and being apart of bachelor nation. They talk about the pros and cons of engaging with fans on social media and what it's like for the couple with a second child! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Oh. Oh. Oh. This is what dreams are made of. This is the content we all came for. Here. Oh. Woo.

Scalas. Scalas. Scallon. It's so good. Oh, my God. He's like, I don't care what it is. Just Prat Daddy pour me and I'm good. Oh, no.

It's delicious. Why do I have so much energy? You guys brought me energy. I was dying a little bit this morning. Wow. Well, that's positive. It tastes. Do you like it?

I'm legit. Like, if you hadn't been like, this is my wine. We are awesome. We're having Pratt Daddy's for. I'm freaking out. I can't get content. I'm trying to update. What's happening?

It's an update. Check it out. It's a gorgeous. And Spencer just said, oh, I'm not even just saying this. I like it. Oh, I would. I want a case of it. I will send you guys a case.

California. Is it Napa or Pasoobles or eulogyn? Oh, even better. Santa Barbara. Santa Barbara. Wait, did you say you're bringing glasses or we don't have glasses? Oh, okay. Amazing, amazing, amazing.

Great legs, full body, and the wine's not bad, either. Wow. Well, Caitlin Farrow. So, jeez. Where does the spade and sparrows come from? Is that just... I mean, I feel like Cleo does better job explaining that. You have the sparrow tattoo.

I'm like, well... Do you have a spade yet? Okay. It's hilarious. I don't understand. It's, you know what? It's called drinking, Heidi. It's called drinking.

It was so funny. It was just like we wrote out a shit ton of things. And I was like, Spade and Spade and Sparrow sounds cool. and that was pretty It sounds famous But I feel like we You know that's all Yeah that's all like past that

Or I'm like I do feel like we need We need like a I need to come up with a better story Because every time people ask me that I'm like I'm like will I have 10% I think you said it sounds good

I think that's the response I think it's like Yeah I think we're already got hats I feel like we're going to need to open a little bit too Oh no We can share this

What was I going to say Oh, do you want that half of the bagel? Where are those from? I'm a, I'm a... You're a snob. That's okay. It's not even that good, so maybe you don't want it. When I see some that's not finished, it's usually it means that I don't want it.

It's just because I'm, like, struggling today. You don't seem like you're struggling. Really? No. Oh, I'm struggling. I already got multiple podcasts. We still owe, like, three. What do you mean?

We never do our podcast. It's a nightmare. Well, you guys are a little busy with... an infant, not an infant, a toddler now. Yeah, we're like, okay, we can do our podcast between 9 and 945 and then he wakes up and I always have to run down

and then in the day we're so busy. Yeah, it's just been like a lot. We need a team. They keep sending us like guests and we're like, that would be cool if we could even do it ourselves let alone like, oh yeah, we'll be there at this time. Yeah, you can't. I can't imagine like even just getting a dog.

I was like, holy shit, this really throws off your schedule. What happened? Did you get noodles knowing that the dog had issues or did it get injured or what? No, we knew he did. So he, because he was found on the streets in South Korea and he had a like broken pelvis and a broken leg. I was like, how is he already? They just got the dog and they're in like physical therapy. I was like, I hope they like warned them.

No, we knew all about it. I actually donated to his surgery before I knew what I was getting. Yeah, I just, like, loved him so much on Instagram. I was like, I need to donate to his surgery. Does he know, like, obviously that you saved his life? Does it have that energy? I've never met such a clingy, loving dog in my life. Like, he is just attached to me.

And even at nighttime, like, he used to cry. He doesn't cry anymore, but he would cry in the middle of the night if he wasn't right beside me. Oh, that's going to make me cry. Yeah. No, he's, he knows. So when I got him, actually, I'll show you a cute video. When I got him. It's a little too basic here

This wine's not on sale I'm going to show you this video from when I got to wait for content here We're almost we're almost there I got to cue the right song up You know he just Oh my goodness Oh he's on my foot

Look at my knee so Oh see I thought I had Okay wait look at when I got him he like came out of the crate and like just rested his head on mine and I just started crying okay so this is when he was on his way to us

I love us cannot wait to talk okay this is my first met him oh you can hear Jason on FaceTime he was like it was just like

from that moment I feel like he just loved like he's so he looks like a show dog that's why i definitely didn't think he was a rescue i was like i know about a show dog with this many injuries like and he's just like the cuddliest so you bring him on the airplane yeah was he a service dog yeah so he's an emotional support animal which i basically people get mad at me all the time because it's the internet but they're like um like i'm abusing the system of having an emotional support animal I think you need emotional support. I do.

I feel like anyone can say that for anything. I know. Like as somebody's downing like eight Xanax, like, oh. Exactly. You have your way. That's exactly. And I'm bringing the dog. And I was like, I have, anytime people question me, I'm like, do you want to see the paperwork?

Like, I had to get a doctor to like sign me off on this. And it was like for anxiety. Did you see the horse on the airplane the other day? What? This lady brought, it was such a big deal that like, She said she won't do it again, but she had a mini horse. Oh, you didn't see that. Yeah, like a little pony.

She brought it on the airplane. Can I be Gunner? Gunner's ringing his phone. We need to get that for Gunner. Oh, my gosh. Those pictures of him with the cowboy hat and like, I can't. He's like from a past life because he loves riding horses more than anything in the world. Really?

He loves cowboy hats. He loves horses. He has this own obsession. It's fascinating. Wait, do we not have a hard out now? Because this doesn't look like a recording studio that people need after. No. They need this room after.

No, they screwed me in the other room. They've double booked. Oh, but here we're fine. We're fine. Oh, great. Yeah. I was like, this is better. There's more space in here anyway.

Yeah, no. Oh, yeah. No, we've got a 13-minute podcast coming up. That's what I was saying. Yeah, we're like, well, wait, do they have headphones? Oh, in this room? Yeah. At one?

Oh, we thought. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Not even us can talk that much. much. Okay, let me cue up my wine-pouring song here. Oh, what a blessing. Yeah, what a blessing. I just love one. I'm like dreamt about this.

I'm like, he's got to do the Pratt Daddy Post. Oh, full disclosure. I stole the Prat Daddy poor from hiding. Oh, really? It was your poor? Yes. For years. But you decided to get pregnant and, no, and became the Brat Daddy.

Daddy pour because you couldn't pour her for one year. Yeah, but it was mine. Yeah, but I bought the trademark. That's how you drink wine. That's, uh, stop. That's how you poured all your wine? Yes. Oh, God.

For years. For years. That is a glass. That is a glass of wine. Yes. Did I say one a half glass or? Genius. I don't know.

Heidi, once she gets going in restaurants, when the waiters are pouring, she literally smacks their hands up to like, do. I don't have sold anyone. No, the bottle. You touch the bottle. You always. If the little, all right, she doesn't touch their hands. She touches the bottle, and she always, and they look at her like, you can't do that.

She's like, just a little. I'm going to do the, what's the, Enia? Enia only time. Yeah, but I'm going to do a focus on you. Oh, whoa, slow. Let me get my shot then. And then I'll add the song after. Oh, my God.

That's good. And you can see it. Look at Hollywood in the back. Oh, that's art. That's art. That's art right there. Oh, my God. That's amazing.

And save. Okay. Do they have headphones or no? We don't ever use them. You don't? Okay. I actually like to use them. If I'm too loud, just tell me.

No. You can never be too loud. I feel like it's the louder the better. Oh, yeah. The sense is always like, you're yelling. Oh, I do. What? I yell all the time

on my podcast I have to Blair I just had on Okay I did this thing called the Blairette Where I found this girl She won a scrunchy competition She came on my podcast

And I was like I'm gonna find you a boyfriend She's 24 years old We did a whole show about it called the Blairette She gave out scrunchies As her like final dues And she like we recorded all these dates It was so legit

We had her miced up and everything Oh no They just got engaged Oh I thought it was gonna be a negative No Oh my God Where did you Where did you find the guy

we had guys send in like videos like to be on the show and we found him and he's awesome and they just got engaged so we were just yesterday or day before yesterday I was on the bridge in Nashville holding like signs and like it was insane like scrunchy and he said he opened the box and he said will you accept my final due and will you marry me and there was like do I haven't seen any of this you do you post this where I'll show you after I did post it but it's already gone now because it was on my Instagram story I I can't believe I missed that. You know Snapchat as much. I never Snapchat anymore. I miss it. Right, and you get verified, you quit. You're like, I got my grapes. I'm quitting.

It's funny because I'm like, it's the biggest deal. It's like, I'm done with you. I'm logging out. It's like, what? Oh, my God. That's so, why did I do that? Yeah, I need it. Yeah, it was the biggest deal.

I was obsessed with getting verified on Snapchat. It was a big deal for a minute. Oh, my God. I only look on Snapchat now. I've like, really? inverted yeah so I barely yeah I always look for you and I'm like and you can they'll give you a store like how we have Bradaddy crystals in Snapchat like you could have your whole oh I'll show you what it looks like I'm such a rookie I'm such a rookie I'll say you first what so here's our store oh you already show that fast you are really no way so it's like two clicks in snap like you don't have to go the website you buy it tap it

so every day you're due no way I did not know this. Well, only Spidey and Kim and Kylie have it, but I bet you can get it. Stop, really? And then they do swipe up to the exact product and it goes to your store. So they don't have to leave the app because most people, when they want to, like, the reason why they're not buying something in a swipe up is like they want to stay in Instagram. They don't want to leave and make this whole. So the way that works is you literally click buy in Snap and is done, go to your next snap. Oh my God. Wait. Wait. That's like, stop it. I can't say which part. of the Middle East, but she's from

the Middle East and she's an angel. And then you were in one to your area. That one? Yeah. Yeah, no, these aren't for sale. These are mine. There's a Pradaddy custom drip. What is that one? That's just a gold nugget from a California River. And then this

is hematite. What does that do? This is to I should have it. Skin contact, really. It's for it to take in any negativity and you know, transplant it. Yeah, I just got that. It's very helpful. I have, you'd be so proud of me.

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You know, because you guys right now, I feel like are going to be the most successful, like, Bachelor, Bachelorette couple. And it wasn't through like Paradise or anything. They really wanted me to go on Paradise. Right before you met, like, right when you met him. Yeah, and they wanted him to go on Paradise, too. And I was like, oh, they knew. Yeah, I'm like, oh, that would have been wild to meet him that way. I wouldn't have gone, though, but I'm just nothing against Paradise because I love Paradise.

I just wouldn't have gone on that show because I'm too scared of what they would do to, like, my character. Like, I'm like, if they just, murky. Yeah, like, because you know how I have, like, beef with the creator of the show. So I'm like, well, not anymore. You guys are, I feel like you guys. Oh, we're fine now. Yeah. Oh, we're not.

I'd say beef. The beef is gone. Oh, okay. But I feel like if I went on Paradise, he would have the option to be like, I can get her, you know? Yeah. So I'd be scared. He has enough drama on TMZ with his own life. I know.

I was like, I just sat back and went, mm-hmm. Okay, ramen. Lay down cute. Ramen. I know. My little ramen noodle. It's so funny because that was his name before we got him. And I was like, that's so weird because my last dog, Tucker, I always called him a noodle.

That's why I got confused. I'm like, is Spencer calling this dog the wrong name? Isn't a noodle? It's new. It's raw a noodle. Yeah. But her nickname for her last dog was noodle. So it gets confusing.

And then people's like, you're trying to replace Tucker because I called him ramen noodle and he was Tucker Doodle. Yeah, that's so funny. I was like, okay. Yeah. I didn't know we were going there to pass dogs. I thought, well, it's just got, I was like, okay. We'll walk down that road.

I mean, are we addressing things that were said on other podcasts, too? Because I got hot there for a minute. I don't know. Yeah, wait, what? What was said on other podcasts? Well, I mean, now it's vintage. I don't know if you've ever addressed it. But like, like, I feel like, oh, boy, I said some.

Oh, you know what? I actually don't think I have addressed that. He went on Ben and Ashley's podcast. Yeah, and that it was like, whoa. What do you hear? I don't want to misquote people, but I was like, oh. He misquoted himself. I was like, oh, interesting that I didn't know that, but I find out on a podcast

because you've never said that to me before, but okay, okay. I let him have his moment. What did, what, what? You guys, I have no idea. This is like, what do you know what I'm talking about it? But I don't care. But what did he say? No, he went on a podcast and said, like, I can't, I lost my best friend.

And I'm like, this was your decision. You're the one that didn't want to be with me. I don't get it. Oh, it was his decision? Yeah. Oh, I totally thought you left. I was like, oh, Caitlin, moving on. Well, I mean, I was fine with it because our relationship was just not in a good place.

But I was like, it was his decision. I was like, I'll do anything for this relationship. I'll fight to the end for it. And he was like, we should break up. And then he was awful to me. And then he goes on that. And I was like, oh, interesting. Yeah, it's far enough past now where I'm like, you're in a new dimension.

Yeah, I am. It's completely different. Are you still living in Nashville? Yeah. Really? Yeah. You're ahead of the game because Nashville is popping. My friend who owns the hottest gym in L.A.

Brick just moved to Nashville with his new wife and baby. Really? Let's move to Nashville. We need to, you would love J.P. Let's move to Nashville. I would die if you guys lived in Nashville. That would be so happy. What state is Nashville in?

Tennessee. I'm just, I failed geography, obviously. I mean, I thought it was in Texas, but I'm Canadian. I would get a house there. We need to buy a house in Colorado first. Like I'll love to have multiple houses That's the goal That's the goal

By the way This is the voice of Spencer and Heidi We just started podcasting We're almost famous again We just need a few more seasons of the hills Thank you MTV How you put that out into the universe You made that happen

Well MTV denies that Yeah well they do They literally have like reached out And like stop saying that like you You're lying They're telling you to stop You did. You created that.

You made that happen. And it's so funny because the whole cast and interviews says things like, oh, yeah, Spencer's been trying to get me to do this for years. Spencer's the one who called me. I've been Facebook Messenger, DMs, and you text. I've been stalking people for years. And you guys have so many loyal people that have wanted this that you've been like, we need to make this happen.

And then it did it. And then, but I had nothing to do with it. Oh, that's bullshit. It was a little shady. But I'm very thankful and I love MTV and I love a check. Oh, my God. I love you, Michael. But, no, I mean, nine years, that's all I said,

Eddie's, we need this hell's back. We need that, oh, I never wanted to end, obviously. And it shouldn't have. I can't. Oh, the king. God damn it, I wasn't recording. We didn't record any of that. Spencer, redo.

We're not recording any of that? I hit, record, though. This take two stuff. I don't, I hate myself right now. Oh, my God. No, I don't hate it. Well, you love yourself. It's on the internet now.

You can't even say that. So long-star. You're right. I'm just mad at myself for not hitting records. We were talking about the legend that owns podcast one, blah, blah, blah. He was creative radio. I mean, he's stupid next level. And he's here on a Jewish holiday saying how much he loves this.

And he was inspiring us. But what the issue was, this is the secret. We don't know for a lot of tell. But he had a vocal cord surgery. I don't know why. But he's whispering like this. And he couldn't talk for a month. And so Heidi said,

Well, Spencer, maybe you should stop yelling all day long. And it's Heidi says because I'm passionate. It's very passionate. Everything is yelling. And I'll be like, Spencer, Gunner is sleeping. And I'm like, what? And oh, so this happened and not happening. I'm like, I'm right here and Gunner's sleeping.

And I need you to take it down like five notches. Like he cannot freaking whisper. I'm like, do you not even know the concept of whisper? Well, that's why Gunner, I have no like we go to restaurants. And he just starts screaming and yelling. And he's not misbehaving. He's just like used to our house. And I'm like, Gunner, no, no, no, no.

These are with civilians. We don't do this around this, you know. He's like, I'm like, you dad, we're out here. I don't want anyone to hear me in this family. I have to yell. So, like, yesterday at soccer, he was at soccer break. He was louder. Oh, we don't even.

So much pregnant. That's so cute. Yeah, he's the only kid yelling the whole time and, like, loud and, like, having fun. But it's good because he's also not, like, intimidated by people. Like, Spencer's made him so bulletproof. He's not scared by the things. He's not intimidated because we do, like,

Oh. Oh, like, my favorite, like, all I do is jump out and scare him as loud as I can. And he just giggles, you know, like, and I try to be as scary as possible to come out of the dark, you know. But if I growl, tiny, but he gets scared. No, no, no, no. He doesn't, like, scaring bum. Meow. Because he probably, I feel like boys in their moms, you know, like it's just like I think he probably doesn't want you to be.

Yeah, I can't even for you. Yeah, I can't even. Yeah. And then when Spencer hugs me, you know, he's not. now he like comes in between yeah push us apart it's wild okay I can't get over it just because I mean how old was he when I first met him like baby pregnant I was yeah I met him in your yeah I didn't come out yet yeah I would and I was like so attached to your pregnant belly you're the best pregnant woman ever that was so fun it was so fun and then when he was yeah I remember

I felt so proud of myself because I made him laugh remember I would do the like yeah We were the only people that could be in laugh. And I felt so proud of myself. And now I see him riding horses and I'm like, he's just a little human now. He's so cute. It's insane. I'm sorry to interrupt this podcast, but oh my God, this rosé by spade and sparrows, it really tastes like 12.5% alcohol volume, which is the key that I always look for. Everyone's always asking all these stupid questions.

I'm like, what's the alcohol volume here? This is a strong 12.5, and it goes down way too easy. Isn't it good? I am thankful I sell crystals and not spayed in sparrows rosé because I would be lit every day. Oh my gosh, the aromas of these rose petals in my rosé. I would say, what a cow is cherry chocolate raspberry, white chocolate raspberry. That's what I would say. I may have to cancel my MMA training.

But I haven't read anything. That's really good because it says white, it's white, raspberry she didn't look she didn't look yeah white raspberry strawberries and i'm sorry you do mhm a oh you're yeah well i know you're very into you're working out but mhm a was we were tired we haven't worked out in a good way i really want to talk about you what's going on are you are you engaged yeah you know do you think you're going to marry jesus yes yeah my god yes i think he is like the cream of the crop yeah i can't believe it's weird when things come out of like And all due respect, Sean was a nice guy.

You know, when it doesn't drink, Caitlin. Hold on. I didn't want to say that. And I do like Sean, but I always was like, you know, like you guys seem like great friends and it like worked, you know, but it didn't seem like what you and Jason have. You know what? I will tell you the truth is he felt like when it came to romance, we fought, but we were best friends.

Yeah, it seemed like you guys could be best friends. Totally. Also, it seemed like there was trauma or like turmoil. from the show. So much. Like the Nguet things never left. It never left and it probably never will leave.

It was like the ghost in your relationship. I'm like you're exactly right. You in here. You either let it go and you move on or you don't and you can't be together. And I will also say it came up when we hung out and I was like, what is going on?

This was so long ago. Like you either have moved on or you haven't and you can't be together. Yes. That's what it was. And then I'll bring this and I, And I, again, like him. He's a nice guy. There's also, he wants to be an entrepreneur, and he has a great gym, and he's successful,

but you cannot compete against a KB. You know, so it's like, so it's like, this is, and that's what I felt like, you just need, like, I would have been like, yo, I'm going to do my gym later. Let's ride these coattails. So, like, Jason, all due respect, Jason is like, I'm your teammate. Let's go, you know, like. Number one fan. Yeah, exactly.

And you need that for your level. of like, it's like whoever is dating Taylor Swift, Joe, whatever. Thank you for putting me in that company. If you're going to date Taylor Swift, you better be Joe or Jason

and be a supportive or it's not going to work. You need supporters. You guys grinds are on another level. I don't want to stop. Like, I do, I just don't want to stop. I don't have like a, I can't. And Jason is like, how can I help?

How can I help? Like, where, and again, not to bash because it's all, it's just conversation. It's, it's, it felt very like, well, we're on the same show. Why aren't we on the same level? That's what it felt like. And I always was like, I am the bachelorette. I already did that job.

It's just so interesting because I was like, that's very fair. And I'll give you that. You're also a woman. Exactly. Boom. Like, you can't even compare all due respect to any guy that's in that franchise. I don't care about any of them. You're right.

Women are interesting to me. Yes. Because it's a whole other level It's easy to be a guy Well, let me have 11 This is what is the stereotype of Like in Taylor's song lyrics Where if I were a man

And I'm just saying it's the same Bachelor for the Women and I watch the Bachelorette for the woman Yeah So either way I'm watching They're more like influential Like I feel like when you follow them on Instagram You're like they put out what you want to see Where guys are just trying

I find You know what I mean? And there's more like I would say think maybe I'm wrong, but a lot of the audience on these platforms are women. So it's like I relate to other women that are going through what I'm going through. Not one guy I grew up with that I'm going to call one of my friends is over their dead body following a guy involved with that franchise. You know, like, so there, that's why I can't be a playing field. I mean, Jason gets offers to do like women's beauty products.

No, that's what I'm saying. It's just, yeah. Because it's like your audience is women. All right. There are so many reasons why I love fall. like the cozy sweaters and holidays and one huge reason that I look forward to fall every year

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but instead of one beverage that doesn't even taste like pumpkin Sorry, I said it, you'll get your favorite shows. I've been really into the voice lately. I don't know. I think my favorite coach is probably Blake Shelton, or maybe Kelly Clark said. Oh, Kelly Clark said. It's hard to decide, but Hulu has Grey's Anatomy, which is an all-time fave.

Oh, and this is us, if you're really in the mood to shed some tears, which I always am. And can't forget Family Guy. You guys know how I feel about Family Guy. So if you love TV as much as I do and don't want to miss this. The new stuff. Go to Hulu.com and start your free trial today. So where does Jason live? So Jason moved to Nashville.

So he lives with me. Yeah. Oh my gosh. It's so funny because I really do. Okay, number one, I need to get back on Snapchat because I feel like it's. Heidi needs to know your life. I feel like I'm missing out. Well, Heidi had to unfollow everyone.

So she only follows Gunner and the Prad Daddy account and me. So it's not like, there's just so much weird. It was probably wasting. You're not. It's like, you know what? It's probably like, yeah, yeah, it's not even, you know. It's becoming too political. And it's taking up too much of my time. I'm like, any extra five minutes I have, I want to be spending with Gunner. Good for you.

Or like, I need to be praying or like something. Like, it's something too much in my life. Yeah, something that's benefiting you. But if you're on Snapchat, she'd follow you. Okay. But yeah, then I like a you on Snapchat. Yeah, Ku Klows Snapchat. Because Snapchat, you can, you know, Instagram, I feel like you're scrolling.

You're like, why am I following these people? I did an Instagram clean up the other day and I don't, I felt guilt. for one hot second, I was like, unfollowing someone that I used to work with 10 years ago that I don't. And I'm like, well, they like all my photos. I shouldn't unfollow. And then I'm like, no, that. I don't, I don't talk to this person. They're not my friend. I'm not great for whatever they're doing. And I'm not like, I don't hate you. But I don't care about what you're doing. I'm sorry. That's why I unfolded everyone. I unfollowed 1,500 people. And I said to Heidi as I was doing it. As I was doing, I was like, watch all these people who have not messaged me in years when they realize,

I don't follow them. I'm going to get a message. It happened with so many. I was like, oh, how fake is this? You are not engaged in my life and all of a sudden. But then it took so long to unfollow $15.00. Like, I had another $1,500 and I don't fall. I was like, F it.

Yeah, for you, this is a whole other level of energy. You guys, I don't even care about. But I did stop reading DMs. And I've been doing that for years. Oh, really? It just became. Yeah, because you are, you're kind of like people. I hope that wasn't an explosion.

Sounds like Marvel. Marbles. Yeah, we'll go with Marbles. We'll go with marbles. Not an explosion. Like an IED Yeah, because here the problem With selling crystals

Is people started messaging me The darkest things you've ever Thing to be like And then so can you send me a free crystal Yeah And if all what you just messaged me And I believed a crystal would help your Domestic abuse or your rape

I would send it But I honestly What you just message me A free crystal is not gonna fix I love energy and everything But that's way past Because I get there. Yeah.

Yeah. So I, so what you're messaging me, like, you're putting me in a portal of energy that I can't be in because my life is unbelievable. Yeah. And it was just making it so tough. These are thousands. I'm like, if you have that time, spend it with Gunner or me or like, hello. So it used to be like fun. Like, I love burritos.

I love, but now with the crystals, like people are looking either for a free crystal or a real outlet, but it's like I'm not your, I'm not a healer. I can't save your life. I sell beautiful stones. Yes, and I feel like you're the type of person, too, where you will get invested into somebody's story. Like, you're like, you're both such good people where you, like, care about people's hearts. So if they're sending you all as heavy. I always FaceTime me with people on deathbeds. And then a week later, they're like, oh, he died, the person who was talking to with the tumor.

And I'm just like, this is all free. Like, I'm, that's great. The people want to include me. But, like, I'm not strong enough in my own life to be able to be. you know like whoa it's one thing if it's like one thing or two but if it's like a hundred people like that or more it's just that's so heavy what we are doing instead and when I said to Spencer like my main goal this year with Pratt Daddy Crystals is to incorporate a charity so we're going to work amazing hospital oh I love and we're getting bracelets made for the kids and we're going to go

in and give it to the kids so it's like we do want to help you know even for the child if it's a placebo effect it's like but what's an efficient beneficial way to really help people It's like, okay, well, let's go to the children's hospital and let's have bracelets made. So that's what we're working on right now. Good for you guys. I love that. It's a lot because that's you're a big energy person. And that's all, you know, when somebody's good at something and people like, I watch your stories and I'm like, I want to listen to Taylor Swift. I want to eat burritos. I want to drink espresso and I want to get crystals. So when people are just so focused.

I am wine. Rose. Rose goes down as easy as champagne. Oh. Easier. One has bubbles. Oh, yeah. You're right. You can pound this.

No, that's the problem. Yeah, no. This is dangerous. It's dangerous. I'm worried. Like, I'm glad this isn't our brand. I wouldn't be promoting it every day. I'm going to send you guys so much wine.

Can I be a sponsored influencer? Yeah. I will send you all of the wine forever for whatever you need from me. Ah. We'll be back with more off the vine with Caitlin Bristow. You're listening to Off the Vine with Caitlin Bristow. You know, people know, like, same thing with the podcast. I'll talk about, like, the breakup, I'll take, I'll talk about it openly.

I'll talk about how hard of a time I had. I'll talk about depression, anxiety. And then you get these stories where I'm like, I can't handle this because I want to help you so badly. And I read these messages, same thing. And I'm like, I can't unsee that. And then I want to help you. And then I'm like, but then I'm a jerk for ignoring it because now I've seen it. You know what I mean?

So just. I stop. The thing is you can only really help yourself. Yes. You can't really help that person. You've heard the advice or that, but it's like that person either is going to have to pick themselves up, pray about it,

have a support system in person. But unfortunately, in this world, a lot of what we go through, it's up to us to get us ourselves out of positions. Like, I'm depressed, okay? What am I going to do about it? Am I going to be proactive? Do I want to stay depressed?

Is it a habit that I have? Am I seeking attention? You know, it's like there's a lot of different things. But unfortunately, a lot of times. There's nothing you can do. Or you need a professional. Yeah. You know, so it's like there's, yeah, there's nothing you could do.

And sometimes it's an attention thing, unfortunately, too, because that's a way, even from childhood, if people aren't getting good attention that they want bad attention. And it's sad and it's hard. That is such a reality, though. People really do. I mean, I've been guilty of that, you know, like I can think of many times in a relationship where if I'm not getting the attention, And I went all like, like, Jason's really good because he'll call me out and he'll be like, what's the real problem?

Let's get to the root of it and let's have an adult conversation. And then I'm like, wow. I got to set my game up. Oh, hello. Hey, Jason, write a book. Audio book. I can listen. I can't do.

Audio book. So good. And it actually shifts my brain where instead of if he was defensive or like if he was like, what's wrong with you? I'd go into more of a childlike self. Like I would just crave that bad energy more. But he goes, how can I help? What is what is the real problem and like, let's address it? And then I'm like, well, this happened yesterday.

And then I like realize what it is. But it's you can't. There's not a lot of people. I'm not like that. There's people I think want to reach out to us because we mean so much in their day, which I love because they tune into our Instagram stories or the podcast. And they get, they get like a good. feeling from that just from watching Instagram stories.

So then they go to the next level where and we're the kind of people that I want to help so badly that if I read that and don't respond, it will weigh on me for the rest of the day. Well, they feel like you're a friend. Yes. And that's the hard line with social media. And that's what we originally had. And I'm sure you did with reality TV before social media.

Yeah. Is people feel like they know you when you don't know them. And so it's like, where is the line? Because with actors, they don't experience that. It's clear. You're an actor. I wouldn't reach out. I don't, there's a line, there's a boundary, I have more of a respect, but with social media and with reality TV, we're sharing so much with people that they're like, well, if you share this with me, I'm, I'm almost welcome into your world because you share that with me every day.

Right. Sorry to interrupt before I forget, though. My favorite post you've done in maybe at least a year was your, and I spread it to Heidi, was your recent one at the Palm's resort, where you said. somebody wrote you act like you're 24 and it's like I feel that all the time and I always ignore that but it like yeah because I I my energy is the same as I'm going to go out on the limit to say when I was in high school energetically like I love my life I always try to have the most fun yeah and then people try to go and put you in a box like that energy shouldn't be in the 30 6 year old age and it's like my energy I've been turning up since I was I was going to say 15

at least 14. Like I, yeah, I've grown. I've learned a lot, but like I try to go back to the same fun that I had when I was 14. Like, I don't think like, oh, I can't be the same fun person when I was 14 versus, yeah, I have responsibility. But it's still, so that post was so powerful. God says to be childlike.

That's even younger than that. Yes. It's very biblical. Amen. Bring that Bible out. You have to be childlike to come to God because that's what he's saying. Enjoy the simple things. Come to God.

Yeah. So it's important. important to keep that child like spark and interest and value you know I love that post so that was a great that was a great and I love when you do like a paragraph caption of like okay you know I mean it yeah she's going in let me read all this yeah let me get you like double like it's so funny because I do usually I like one-liners something funny something funny put it out there send I don't even like like will sit and think about a caption and I'm like oh my god I get a picture and I go send and I don't even think about it so the ones I do have paragraphs on you know I spent

some serious time thinking about like she's going in deep yeah this is Eminem this Eminem right here Jason seems like a light you know he seems like he has great energy every time I've seen him on your story he seems like he's so like yeah happy and like vibrant and I feel like that's so good for YouTube because you work so hard and it's almost like a he finds that a turn on so you know what is amazing is I can't wait till you go on because we watch Stasi right now she just found her dream guy or whatever and he's going on her live podcast tour as her like backup with the mic and i'm like jason and kv are going to get one of your next tour you need to bring him i just did a show at life is beautiful with nicky glazer and he went out to pump up the crowd before and and and

And I was like, this is the ultimate height man. Like he literally, I'm like, and he's got this energy. Like he's just a happy, go lucky, positive glass always like half full. Just like the biggest supporter. And he literally goes out there and I listen to him and I was like almost into tears backstage because I'm like, this is my person. Yeah. You know, you want somebody else to be your person and you fight for it. And then you're like, oh, no, this is on paper checks.

I would have been happy if he, um, met like half of my expectations for a human being he literally to everything i'm like what like he's perfect for me how long have you guys been together not six months no i'm like no i met him i met him in october end of october oh that's a year but that's when we met we didn't we were very um when i met him it was like he sent me pictures of of girls being like this girl do you know who she is like I might go on a date with her like we were not oh wow because he knew I just got out of a relationship and he didn't even think like oh she's looking and I didn't either so he was like yeah I have a crush on her but I can't do

anything about it might as well just be on her like on a friendship level oh my god because you wanted to watch him yeah I just was like rooting for his happiness was that even in play for him to come back yeah like he was he had a contract signed it was between him Blake and Colton to be the bachelor, and Colton got it. Yeah. Because he doesn't jump fences. Blake was going to be The Bachelor? Yeah.

Blake from Paradise? Yes. Stop it. Oh, that's why he was so like that everything just made sense with Christina. Yeah. Oh, he was ready to just be a player. Exactly. That's why he wasn't settling down with Christina.

He had the contract. It's got to be the Bachelor. He had a whole different mentality. Yes. It makes so much sense to me. No. Okay. It makes so much sense to me that he did what he did because I'm like, one, you're single.

You came out of a tough breakup on national television. When you come out of that, you're like, let's party and like meet all these hot girls in Bachelor World. Like these girls are all attractive, nice ladies who he's like, and they're like, ooh, it's Blake from the Bachelor. They're all just as guilty as he is. Yeah, totally. And so I was like, this is so, of course he's doing this. Like what? He's at a music festival hanging out with different girls.

because he texted a couple of them right you. Because he weren't official. He wasn't official with anyone. Exactly. And the controversy was that he hooked up with this girl and the next day hooked up with this girl and then he flew across to meet this girl from the other. But it's like he's single.

And he was about to be the bachelor. Yeah. So it's like that totally. Get it out of your system. So much sense. Yeah. Support for Off the Vine comes from Manscaped, who is the number one in men's below the belt grooming.

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are doing their own podcast because you are the Bachelor Nation podcast? So I, there's a couple things. Listen, one, when they were like, we've got a podcast. I was like, that's why you're denying me everybody in bachelor's. Oh, the talent has been like, oh, we can't do it. So it pissed me off because I was like, why can I not podcast with this person? It's Bachelor World. Like, help me help you.

And they were like, he can't at this time or they can't at this time. And I had Hannah B scheduled four different times and something kept coming up. And I was like, this is weird. And then when that came out, I'm like, oh, I get it. I looked out as a compliment to you. I was like, dang, ABC is threatened by KB. Well, and now they're doing a live show where they do a live podcast tour with Ben Higgins. And they asked me to be the co-hosts with Ben.

And I was like, well, I'm doing my own thing. So I'm like, I mean, it's smart what they're doing. Oh, no, exactly. You know, like they're seeing that all these people from their show come off and get their own podcast. and get the interviews that people want to hear from after the show. So they're like, why aren't we doing that? So then they get Rachel and Allie to do it. But thank God I don't only, I don't focus on Bachelor content.

Yeah, I'm like, I appreciate where I came from. I love the world. I love a lot of people in it. I've moved past the bitterness phase. I'm like in a place where I can do. Yeah. God, that sounds fun. You sound like you're really good.

Maybe I need a DM. you help my life i like send you my crystal that i bought it but yeah it's it's just i see what they're doing and i'm like touche too chay how's your family mine yeah what do you mean in what way like in canada oh that you're so cute i'm just thinking about like wow you're on top of that i was like well how's your family there's my family is i could not ask for a better family they feel like you haven't done that trip yet i haven't seen it like games lately no but i haven't seen You know why? Is because I was more in the moment this time being happy.

You guys saw a second of it. Like your family think they love Jason. They're obsessed with him. Oh, my God. We're like, okay, and I don't know. And I'm just putting this out there. I don't know if this is true. But my mom pulled out all of her old jewelry and my grandmother's jewelry and the stuff that she saved.

And she was like, try on the engagement ring or like, try on the wedding ring. And I think she was like testing about how it fit my finger. Yeah, for the size. So everything Jason and I do, I'm like. is this happening? Is this where it's going to... Are you proposing to me? He's like, shut up.

Do I have hair and makeup? Yeah. Are I looking good? And he's like, what do you mean? I'm like, you know, is this a good office? Everyone's going to like a dress and a gown. Every where I go, I just have like glam squad with me. When you wake up in bed.

Yeah. No makeup. Special day to day. I never, look at my nails. I never do them. All of a sudden, my nails are just done every day. Like, uh-huh. Yes.

Go up. it's so funny but yeah I do I do I know it's so funny I came from being engaged where I never thought about a wedding where now I'm dating I'm like going back from calling someone a fiancee to a boyfriend and I'm like that's my boyfriend oh I feel so like young and then every time I'm just like we're we're at a way different place yeah I'm oh yeah let's go back to that yeah so enjoy yeah IG captioned then you never have a boyfriend again so enjoy that's That's true. That's true. This is the end of a boyfriend. I need to hang out with you guys more often. You're such positive people. Like, you guys with Jason would be next level.

Like, you guys are all such positive. And I'm like the glass half empty where I'm like, yeah, but what if? You're still reading DMs. That's right. You're reading comments. You still respond to people on Twitter. It blows my mind. Oh my God.

You did the other day with that person on IG. Oh, my God. What? Patty? Yeah. Like, I'm like, why are you giving these people? It's so funny. because I could do that all day long.

It's like that's what, I know, but I retired that. He did this. And I keep telling you to stop. It's like, they're trolling. They win when they're showing their friends. Look at KV. See, I'm on her story. That like makes them legit on, what's that website, Reddit or something?

Yeah. That like, they get like credit if you respond to them. When you gave her like five stories, it's like, oh, this is these are sponsored ads. It's like, please, like, I hope she's selling a tea. Spencer was, like, physically assaulted in a coffee shop. Physically? Yeah, this person, like, assaulted him. He did all these stories.

Two weeks ago. Shut up. By the barista. Yeah, a woman in a barista. And he did all these stories about it and was like, I can't believe it. Like, just talking about what happened. Yeah. And they loved it.

They were sharing it. They were dancing. You know, so it's like, it's a little. You're going to jail. It's like I gave them attention they were looking for. I was like, oh, delete, delete. It's like they enjoy negative. Thrive.

Is that negative energy? You're right. They do thrive on. There's people that tweet like, yes, I got blocked by blah, blah, blah. I saw blocking people because people want to get blocked. Okay, I did that. I did that. I stopped blocking because I'm like they're going to love that I block them.

But I guess for me, it's part of my humor. Like, I don't. care if Patty gets attention and I don't care if she got what she wanted because it was a funny story. Like that's where my head's kind of at. It's not funny. To me, I'm like, I'm like, it's not funny. You're right. You're right. You're better off giving five stories to somebody who loves you and supports you. You're right. It's like you're absolutely right. It's like there's way more people are DMing you like you changed my life. And I make sure I do respond to those people. But you don't share them in your story. Because I feel like that's narcissists.

Yeah, but what's so that was that's massacus sharing people like taking you down? And that's wrong for me to think that. But I guess I think if I'm sharing what people love about me, I feel like I'm being conceded. Well, I think it's also a self-protecting. I'm saying if you're going to share one like you're right. So either don't share or share a positive. You know, like otherwise no one gets shared. I needed this talk today.

I've given you it before. No, I need. I know you have. But today I'm like. I was fine with you doing on Twitter because it's like it's a tweet. who cares, but like five IG stories where people pay like $5 grand for an IG story.

He said that for a long time and I kept being like, why are you doing this? And he would always justify it. Oh, it's funny. Oh, I'm getting them. Oh, blah, blah. It was always something. I'm like, it doesn't matter. It's actually consuming you. You are thinking this. This person is winning over you. So no matter what, you just have to cut it off cold turkey.

It's not like, okay, at the end of the month, it's like, no, now. Just stop. You're right. Okay, fine. Just stop. I haven't stopped for years. I'm going to stop. And I see your like, it's content. It's like, look what I deal.

But it's like, forget that. You're right. I didn't even want to see a patty on your story. You know, like, because I looked at your story for like, fun stuff, podcast, wine, great outfits. Yeah. And people who love you. You don't want to see someone saying. No, Jason says the same thing to me all the time.

He's like, what do you do? F this lady. Also, I bet it affects your relationship a little bit. It does. And that's not good either. It's like, you know what? You don't need one more thing in your relationship. you guys are probably dealing with enough you don't need strangers coming in affecting your mood subconsciously or consciously you know saying things about you it's like whatever is not good keep it moving it's 2020 coming it's all good things you're right and you sharing that person's toxic like they don't like how to dislike the coffee shop what i thought i was doing this it actually has the opposite effect

yeah because then everyone's like ooh that put them on their radar they're like let's go to that coffee shop it's even you're right you're right there's Vampires. You're right. Emotional vampires. They're sucking you dry, girl. You're absolutely right. Okay, and I know you've told me this before, but I'm taking this much today. On Twitter, I told you.

Yeah, I'll still find with the tweet. Yeah, like when you quote tweet and write something above, it's like, eh. But it's like, I do story, that's your platform. Okay, you're right. This is like, this is where you promote your podcast. Yeah. Tweets I don't even care about. I would say it's, you shouldn't do it, but it's like if you have to do one.

Yeah. It's like. On a different note, have you met Jason's family? Yes. So what's that like? Okay, they're the best people I've ever met my life. Where are they? So his parents live in Charlotte.

They all grew up in Buffalo and his parents have moved everywhere. His dad is involved in the packaging business that started bubble wrap. Oh, wow. Yes. And he's, yeah, for your crystals, of course. And so he's like, he's just such a hard worker. He's so funny. Jason is his dad.

They both have just great energy. I remember meeting them for the first time. and Jason's dad and his mom have been married for 35 years and Jason's dad looked across the table and went, God, I love you. You're the glue to this family to his wife.

And they didn't think... I cried. I did. And I didn't... Jason didn't think anything of it. And I watched them and their interaction and their like respect for one another. And I was like,

I will never doubt you, Jason, because he literally is his dad. And he, you know, we'll walk through the airport. I know. And he'll look at me and he'll go, you're the love of my life, you know. And I'm like, I've never been told that. Like, he is his dad. And they have such a strong relationship and they have arguments and they're open about it and they're not fake.

They just are like, you're pissing me off right now. And five minutes later, he's like, you're the glue to our family. And so I asked Jason, I was like, did you just see that? And he was like, what? I'm like, your dad just said you're the glue. He goes, yeah, he says it all the time of my mom. And I was like, oh, what? Like they are such as, he always jokes that he's like the modern family.

His mom's Jewish. His dad's Catholic. His brother's gay. And he, you know, has this college education that he works so hard for. But he gave it up to move to his girlfriend who has a high school education because he's just like, you're killing it. Like women empowerment to help me help you. What can I do for you? It's, they're amazing.

Wait, you're the high school education? Yeah. Hey, I have a GED. Okay, anyway, get the high school education. What's GED? What's GED? In America here, when you don't want to finish high school, you can do your GED. What's that?

See, you're telling an education. It's a test. I'm dealing with high school. I think it's general education diploma. Yeah. You totally could have made that up. I'm glad that wasn't on the test. I was a failed out.

So I took my junior year at the end of it, so I didn't have to have a senior year. I like praise people who do the whole school thing. I knew I was never going to do it. I knew it wasn't for me. I knew I would find other ways. But same thing. I'm not saying people to do something, but good for you. You know, you found your way and you...

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because he doesn't sleep in his room and it's going to be challenging nursing but he'll be a year older if we even start trying in a few months but it's like, yeah, that's going to be hard and he doesn't want to share. So I got him a baby doll and he loves the baby doll and he tucks it in

and he always hands me the baby. You might be surprised. You might be surprised because a lot of My friends have had, you know, the same worries. How am I going to have another? How are they going to deal? Do they go sleep? Some of them.

Some of them. All of them. Well, I don't. Did they sleep train? Oh, no, not co-sleep. No, none of them co-slept. Well, some of them, is co-sleep the... Are they sleep with you?

Yeah, some of them did. Yeah. My sister did that. My sister did. And she has a second? Yep. Wow. What should do?

They both slept in the bed. That's what everyone said. Yeah. But Gunner doesn't want to sleep next to Spencer. He pushes me away. And he goes, no. No. Oh, no way.

So that's why I'm like. So, like, imagine a baby in there with trying to have a fight. So here's what I'm thinking out. Gunner will be in the middle and the baby will be in the docketot with the railing on the side. You know what you do? And this is what, well, this is just one suggestion. And I'm not a mom. So I don't know.

But my mom, when my, so when my sister was born, my, my mom felt the same way. My mom was like, how am I going to, you know, Haley was so attached to my mom. My mom had me. And she. She tied a balloon and a string to a red tricycle and tied the string to my, like, when I was first born to wherever, you know, the hospital bed. And my sister had to follow the string and she said, this little baby bought you a gift. And she had to follow the string and she found this perfect red tricycle. And my mom said it was from me and my sister loved to me from the gift belt.

That's a good idea. Yeah. Straight hack right there. That is such a mom hack, so I feel like... We need to say the baby hand him five ice cream cones. These ice cream codes are all from the bay every day. The baby's handing him a horse. A real horse.

Here's the road. The baby got you a horse. A real horse. Your next baby is your pony and it sleeps in the room with us. I already called the person for a horse and they're like, you know, you can't start lessons and everything until the baby's four. I was like, oh, really? He's too. He's very.

You're like, no, he is advanced. I saw him on those. Those photos are amazing. Okay, that's what you have to do. Like a stuffed horse, something. No, no, real horse. Then, how about every night? That's what I'm concerned. Every night, new ice cream can. We'll be back with more off the vine

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Everyone that I used to want to DM her with DM me, sick as she didn't read them. I love when you turn your comments off, too, because I'm like, yes, that's the way, you know. I know. I did that one time. But nobody likes my photos anymore. What? Because they can't comment? Yeah, they can't comment.

And then it throws the whole algorithm off with Instagram and then no one sees it. It's like, Instagram's like, no, you have to be negative trolled. You need that frequency or no likes. That's so true. They like live for it. And everyone's always like, I never see your story, this and that. And I'm like, well, you know what? It's because I don't have the comments on.

You're right. Your story doesn't really come up on my feed. Heidi's Shadow Band. I am Shadow Band. It's for cool people. You're like, I kind of respect that. I'm underground. Yeah, you got to really search Heidi five times to pop up. If you care, you'll find me.

But I do care. I'm like weirdly so into your eyes as family. Like I love watching Gunner grow up. I just, there's something. Maybe it's because I met him. Maybe it's because I like met him in your womb. I was just like, I'm so attached to him. Tomorrow's his birthday.

No, it's not. His second birthday. Yeah, I guess. Wait, what? I know. It's his second birthday tomorrow? I know. I already cried once today.

You're not allowed. I know. I cry over drama, so I can't imagine having a kid. Like, I always say this. I'm like, the amount of love I have for a dog, I can't. And you guys are the same. You loved your dogs. I can't imagine.

Well, yeah, of course. Yeah. Totally. We don't, but... Yeah, they're cool now. We have four of them. I can't imagine the level of love for a little human you create. It's so interesting because before Gunner, I felt like I was a very, like, easygoing, calm person.

Is that true? Right? Yeah, I feel like... But everything's been so heightened because I love him so much that, like, when he cries, it physically affects me. Yeah. I'm like, oh, my gosh. Yeah. Like, so it's definitely, and I'm working on it and praying about it.

I do feel like it's But I mean let's be real That's what a beautiful You're just such a beautiful human Like you know like you were I remember you saying on the first podcast When I first met you guys Spencer said you are the ultimate wing woman

You're just like a fun Easygoing like you see the positive And everything I feel like That's not too bad of a problem to have That you just love your son so much You know what I mean Like you just love him so much

That it physically affects you when he's crying and I think that's such a beautiful thing and that's why I haven't been able to sleep train and I'm like maybe I have this sleep train thing all wrong like maybe I should have done it and I would have slept these past two years and maybe I'd be pregnant right now and all this stuff but then I'm like

Spencer said you can't even let him cry for five minutes and I'm like I just physically can't and that's like you're like aren't okay don't die I mean like five she's like I should have done this and I'm like oh yeah that sounds fun you can't do five minutes it's a whole night three nights in a row but that every time they regress you have to

redo it so every few months yeah re-sleep train i mean here's the thing that's so intense you're his mother you know you're his father you do what works for you guys and and if people think sleep training i wouldn't say it working that sentence doesn't work is i don't technically it's not he's alive so i guess it's working yeah but then i'm like did i rob him of something because talking to my friend yesterday and she's like my daughter just goes to bed in her crib all the spade and sparrow yeah you go she's like my daughter just goes to bed in her crib and she plays imaginary game she just puts herself to bed and it's such a good time for her and i'm like sure doesn't have that like did i will him of that i don't know that but then you could think of it the other way where

if you didn't have these moments with him did you rob yourself of this like you know the baby loving you and growing and you know like that's bonding time yeah and you know spencer did say to me before he's like you'll never regret one of these nights like one day he's going to be 20 years old and I'm going to wish more than anything that he was exactly I mean I guess if it was so bad I would do it but I don't know maybe not no that's what I just think I mean you always think you're going to be a certain parent yeah you know you have this idea of what you're going to be and how you're going to do it and and then it happens and you're like I'm way different than I thought I would ever be as a mom so you have to go with your gut on that like how good is a woman's

intuition you know right so it's like you're not doing anything that's harming him it you're feeling false guilt for like oh what if what if but you'd feel that way no matter what so if this is working for you and you're loving these moments take it all in screw what people think you should do and like your friend who you know perfect sleep trained baby that's amazing and that probably works for her so well but that might not work for you and it might be really just too hard for you to yeah it is too hard because ideally yeah I would love him to sleep in his bed I would love to sleep like I really haven't slept in two years I was up with him eight times last night I mean yeah that's what it's it's crazy like it's so hard like you still look like you so refreshed I don't know I'm just a zombie

at this by Michelle of a person but it's like yeah it's it's challenging because I can't I could but I don't want to go the other way right like in my imagination I would Yeah. And yeah, it's, it's really, I'm choosing the harder route. Yeah. Really, I think. Like, it's way harder to not sleep for two years. Right.

Then I had someone say, like, look, I had a three-year-old who was perfectly sleep trained, had a baby. Now the three-year-old has completely regressed. And no matter, you know, so it's like, there's just always something, you know, there's always something, especially as a parent, there's always something you could have done better or you, like, wish you would have done this or that. So no matter if he was, you know, sleep trained or not, you would have found something else where you're like, oh, am I doing this right? Like, there's always going to be something. Yeah.

Where, if this works for you guys, enjoy every moment. Like, you could just sleep with your little sweetie every night and have those moments. And you're a very good person with thinking, this is temporary. I've heard you talk about that before on Snapchat or your Instagram story or whatever. You always say, like, this is temporary. This, I know I'm not sleeping right now, but that. won't in you know in a few years it'll be different something different so you just got to be confident in what you're doing and find the positive which you always do in like this works

for us right now and we love every moment yeah no you're right and I think that being a mom has been the least confident I've ever been in my life because I'm a very confident yes you are the only time I've not been confident was when I entered Hollywood yeah like after like two years after and then like all the comments started and it was like the beginning of that and then I had like my surgery but a lot of people yeah a lot of people do that and then I think being and then I rebuilt myself yeah rebuilt my confidence and looked how did you do that I just started praying a lot and I'm like wait a minute okay I had 10 surgeries in one day like what's going on right did this come from right where am I at what do I want to be who am I this isn't who I am this is a decision that

I made, um, impulsely, actually. And I've long-term repercussions, but like, what are my values and who do I want to be? And where do I want my life to be? And so, yeah, I just started being, you just took a good, hard look in the mirror and figure it's, yeah, but that's amazing. You really dug into who you are and what, what makes you happy and, like, what you need out of life and why you're doing what you're doing and you figured it out. But how many people don't do that? Right. And it's important. It's like, if you have a problem with everyone, you need to look at yourself. Yeah. Or like, if you have a problem in your life, like my mom always said that.

When I get into a fight with friends, she'd be like, well, what'd you do? I'm like, what I'm telling you what this happened? She's like, well, you played a part in it. Interesting. You know, so like, yeah, I always grew up with my mom saying that to me. And so it's like,

it was important to always, like myself. But being a mom has kind of brought me back to like some things where, yeah, I second guess myself a lot. And I'm like, oh my gosh, well, this person's doing that. And it's like, well, just be confident in what I'm doing and enjoy what I'm doing because I would, to know if there's any parent out there who does feel confident, you know, like in every

decision they make and the way they raise their child, I would like to know if there's one parent out there that goes, I'm, I'm doing everything right. I feel like I have friends that way. No. Do you mean Instagram friends? No, like real friends. Like, really? Yeah, like my, I have two of my friends.

No, they're lying to you. No, I don't think so. They're not lying there. Yeah, I think they just like, they just don't think, overthink it, you know? Like, when is a mom of two under two? and she's like, I'm just busy, my child will watch TV when she wants, and that's it. Okay. You know, but yeah, I think that I just need to like stop second-guessing myself so much.

Well, yeah, I shouldn't, I want you to stop second-guessing yourself, so I'm not suggesting that you should and that every mom's the same. But you are doing such a fantastic job. You're just, you guys both have big hearts, and that's all that matters. That's my niece is 11, and that girl has a heart of gold. And my sister's like, yes. She nails those routines. I did something for me, and I'm like, you know, like she did the same thing. Sidney slept in her bed every night.

She, you know, there's, but she did something. Her heart, Sydney's heart is just unlike any other kid I've seen at 11 years old. And that, in my opinion, is what matters the most in this world. It's true because, yeah, Spencer used to say to me, like, we don't have enough money for a child. And I would say the greatest gift we could give a child is love. And our child grew up in a loving home and that's all that matters in this world. And there's so many people. Think about kids that come from absolutely nothing and don't have much.

They're usually the best kids. And money doesn't matter to kids, you know. Yeah. Gunner loves spoons. You give the guy a spoon and game over. That's it. Better than a million bucks. That's it.

And a horse. Do you have the podcast after this? Nope. Do you want to go to Matsuizu? Well, I have to go to Ben and Ashley's and do, I'm on theirs. Oh, okay. God, you're a machine. I have a.

Does your jaw hurt? You're going to be like... I don't know. At first, it was the most random thing to me. Ashley Marquette. Ashley, who's married to... Maracotti? I can Eddie.

Close. Yeah. Married to Jared. And I went to their wedding, and I remember saying out loud, that's the guy I sent home on my season. She was on my season of The Bachelor where I was like, this girl's never going to find love. And here she is getting married before me to my ex-boyfriend.

Which is so funny. And then they didn't end up or they did it? She stalked him on Paradise and loved him and she was the virgin and then he was like, I don't like you. I'm not into you. Stop. Yeah. They left Paradise. And somehow in between she casted a spell on him and they are together.

I don't know how it happened. You know what the spell was? She moved on and liked another dude over him and then he was like, wait. That's it. Good move. Ashley. Are you caught up? Were we caught up?

We watched last night's caught up or now. We're almost done. We haven't made it to the Enki. Heidi was very entertained by last night's how they didn't let that guy who was waiting for the girl. She showed up and they let him leave. But then she would have honored's a hotel. Oh, do you want me to spoil something or no, no, no, no. We're not caught up.

This is my only show. I just watch it. I'm fine. You get invested. You get invested. Let's talk about your show. So let's just for just for two seconds. I want to talk about the Hills.

What is it called, reboot? No, new beginning. The Hills, hashtag reboot. Yeah, that's what they call it. See? It's probably because I was like, watch, you're the reason I know about this. But so, okay, way, it's new beginnings as in it's the same people just where you're at now. Plus, Misha Barton.

Oh, yeah, wait, what is the Misha Barton edition here? And Jason Waller. He was on the first season of. Wait, and Caitlin, Miley Cyrus's girlfriend. X, X. They broke up. You really aren't on the internet? Holy shit.

I was with Miley in Vegas like two nights ago and I didn't even know that. Oh, she's single. She there? Yeah. No, Caitlin, no. No, Miley was. Miley was. We went for dinner after her I-heart radio show and I was like, God, this girl's body.

She's looking good. She looks good. Oh, I mean, she's probably doing sit-ups and shit. Oh, yeah. She's working out hard. Her trainer was there. Yeah. Yeah.

But, okay, so they broke up. Wait, is this known? Yeah. I think Miley's people put a statement. Yeah, to people magazine. Oh, shit, I didn't even know. Biley was overwhelmed with how fast things got like, yeah, when you start dating a clout chaser, things are going to go fast real quick, girl. I moved in, I have a cat, and here's my engagement.

Yeah, I got a heap of them. M earrings, M rings, waving a tattoo? Yes. Caitlin did? They got matching tattoos. Oh, why did people do this? They got matching tattoos? Wow, they were both still allegedly married.

Oh, shit. Okay, so fill me in. So she was married to Brody. No. In Indonesia, they're married. So if they're Indonesian and living. They had a ceremony. They had a ceremony in Indonesia.

But there's no paperwork there. They've said that they had a lot of financial things to work out. Okay. As in Caitlin wanted money and Brody didn't want to give her money. Interesting. But it's what we've heard later too. It's called common law. Yeah, like Brody didn't get like if she just.

One more year in that house, she would have had half of everything she's ever had. She should have been quiet and just like, in just heating. But I said that to him. He's like, no, no, I talked to a lawyer. It's like, I don't think a lawyer knew how long she lived there. Who was your lawyer? So then, so allegedly, every time that Brody and Caitlin would fight, Caitlin would go spend a few days at Miley's house.

Who knows what would go on there? But while that was happening, they did get the matching tattoos at that time period. I love, I need, this is, you guys always fill me in on the hot gau. I'm like, well, now it's vintage. That's embarrassing. I don't even really know that. I can't even really, I'm like trying to be wrong. I guess you don't listen to our podcast.

I don't. She's got, it's all good. It's mutual. I don't either. I don't know. I don't even know what a podcast is. I know we're not on Spotify. Now we know.

We don't want to be. They don't pay, sorry they you suck. So, wait. So, then. Miley left Liam in Italy I don't think Liam knew that I think Miley got too excited was having so much fun hot girl summer photos yeah I thought Liam would probably be this is my complete just brainstorm it's not facts and so I think she was like oh I got a girl like who cares Liam won't care I guess he did care yeah and was like what's going on so boom he's like I'm

leaving you so she put out I'm leaving you first and then she got caught up is all I'm making this up right now I have no idea this is huge all caps allegedly and so that hypothesis yeah this is my theory this is like if I was a scientist okay and uh and so then I think she was like okay I'll have a girlfriend for a minute and she's like whoa like my girlfriend has no clout no money no juice this is stupid this doesn't make anything fun for a minute interesting too a very reliable source from a huge magazine said do you have any information on Caitlin's boyfriend so before the Miley stuff Maybe her boyfriend was on the Italy trip and somehow it became her Miley and it was, who knows, but someone was asking me about her boyfriend. Yeah, because Pueblo magazine reached out to us like, do you know about Caitlin's new boyfriend before the Miley thing?

And people has pretty solid little sources usually. And do you guys, do you enjoy the filming process of it or are you like, what the hell are they going to make of this? It's difficult. It's difficult being a mom also and balancing like, hey, I can film, but I can't go. go all in because I'm not going to not see my son for a few months. Is Gunner on it? Gunner's on it the most of any child. Oh, amazing.

But that's a hard balance for me. And then also as a parent you're like, you want to have a certain role model. You want to be a role model too. You're like, okay, everything before you is before you. But now how I do conduct myself is important. I am a mom and it's like... Just think differently.

Yeah, so it's hard because like a part of me loves getting in the drama and the gossip and it's like I'm a really good reality. quality star. Yes. And. Yes. You both are.

Yeah. Literally the best of the best. No, Spencer's the best for sure. But I, but then I'm like very reserved and different. It's like, well, I also want to be who I am and I'm not that person. I don't even like gossiping. Like, I don't even like saying bad things about people. That's not.

I don't really. So it's a, it's a challenge. It's really hard for me. Yeah. And are you done filming now? We're just starting season two in the next like two weeks. Yeah. Really?

So that's why I want to wait to get pregnant until after filming and like the drama and I think that there's going to be a lot of turmoil because when we first came in everyone was like oh it's great good to see everyone and there was like all this underneath anger and immosity and things but everyone's just pretending and being like fake and nice and then everything started coming up and now everyone has that anger frustration plus whatever happened in the last season plus what everyone said so everyone is like at an all time so season two is going to be lit is going to be explosive oh wow. Yeah, we're hardly even talking to... No, no one talks to us. So, like, Adriena does not talk to Heidi anymore because I joked in my cosmopolitan recap, and obviously no one believed this, that, because they have no chemistry at all, and they look like they would never work out. I thought it was fake. Yeah, and everyone don't even believe they were together, and I was like, and I said in my

cosmopolitan recap, like, Justin Bobby and, and Adrina have so much amazing chemistry, you would think just and bobby was really secretly the baby daddy of her kid it's like duh no you guys can't even sit through a dinner and so that was this big deal you're joking she won't talk to you because of that yeah yeah and it's like also is hidey control my mouth audrina you think she's supposed to like go in my head this was a past problem where she was like I don't want to be friends with you because of Spencer it's like are we really going back to like right right who cares what Spencer says like that's not Heidi me because of I never liked Audrey and I'll stick to that. So now she won't, she won't respect to me. I wrote to her like, hey, happy finale day and she like won't respond to me. Bye,

bye girl. You're welcome for getting you back on the reboot. I was kind of like, whoa. Like I thought we were so past that and we were like, adults and moms and we have like a different connection. Right. Like understood that was a time in our lives. Yeah.

So yeah, it's that's super disappointing. And Heidi was like, can you just like reach out and apologize her? I was like, absolutely not. No, I know I'm just saying like Right, I mean, you didn't say it No, first thought, thank you. So it's a hard thing Because her ex brought her to court over that

She brings her to court every week though I know, I know So I'm not responsible for a lunatic It looks for I'm just saying Yeah, no, I'm just saying like that's on Who she chose to have a kid with You are responsible for is what you said Which was a joke

And I'll say it again That was a hurtful joke No, it's not, it's a silly joke somebody mentioned something to you about that right even if it was real it's still joke people's humor levels different too like some people don't get jokes or some people if you offend someone and you didn't mean to that's what i was saying like hey i totally didn't mean to offend you if it did i'm sorry you you know my sense of you that's all i'm like hey we're not i'm not close enough with adrina care i don't care if i offend adrina that's the difference if you had said that that's somewhere for you to say that but i barely like hers from the day she said you your brain was

Gosh, Heidi, da-da-da-da-da-da. So, you know, what I'm saying. So I still don't like her from then. Right. So me worrying about offending her, like, girl, you're lucky. I even don't say what I say. Like, I already imbiting my tongue every day to try to keep things nice. Like, season two, if you're worried about that, now you should have responded to Heidi.

Now you maybe shouldn't even do season two because I'll be, I'm be lit A-F now. Like, get your life in order before you try to come at us. I don't get how anybody could be upset at you. I don't get it because you both, Spencer has this humor where you can, you say what's on your mind and you, we love you for that. That's just who you are. Heidi's like this little sweetie who you want the best for everybody. You two together are two of my favorite people in the world and I don't get how people are so,

get upset by it. I don't get it. Yeah, I don't know. The whole cast is like upset. by everything so that's fine and we like to film with ourselves no I like to film with the whole cast I pull up all of you you're all gonna get smoke you're all done I'm done I know because I was on my best behavior to get a season two make sure everyone signs up for it if they sign up for season two and come near me oh my God it's also challenging going down but it's also challenging

because we Spencer's been able to be more himself right and like in everyday life Spencer's not that way and so it's been nice to have people see more who we are and I feel like the audience has been able to see more of who yeah but if you put me in front of horrible people the audience would be like no shit Spencer's going to act that way against these garbage ass humans I don't want these people to drag him down again and that's my concern but this time the edit isn't against us though let me finish so it's not that I was worried about Adrina so much.

It's that I love Spencer and I do see how he is enjoying this new reboot and being able to be more of himself and being able to have that

and I don't want everyone to be able to pull him down again and make him the scapego and put all the drama on him again. That's my concern. My concern is for Spencer.

My concern is for my family. My concern is for us. That's not unreasonable. Right. So it's like that's my main concern is I don't want We all have different sides to us, right?

But I just don't want one side to continue. You're like, we've been there. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. And I'll never forget what you said, like, that it was when you're writing the wave, everybody else was against you. We're done. We're getting literally booted out of here.

We're 20 minutes over. Oh, that's so good. So, but that's my concern. Moral of the story, season two is going to be turned up. My concern is. They're all going down. I'm bringing black turmaline, and they're all done for it. What you're saying is season two is going to be good TV.

It's going to be better than. season one for sure yeah people love season one so well they love you on season one they're gonna love me i'm never going to be negative i just speak the truth before it was edited right there's a line right there's a line i'm not oh the truth is powerful you don't have to say salacious mean things you can just be like this is the facts and yeah and if they're gonna be hot facts i gotta try this red before we yeah i just i love you both so much you're two of my favorite people i've ever met my whole life I feel like you're so supportive of each other. You've taught me a lot about relationships, Heidi.

I feel like you've talked to me through a lot. I just love your guys' energy. I just love being around you. You're my two favorite people. Please move to Nashville, and that's all I'm going to say. I'm ready. Let's get a mansion. Do you see the mansion that Kristen Kevlarry had?

Okay. Let's go. Yes. Have you bumped into her yet in town? I bumped in her at the airport, but I don't know if she knows who I am. I think she does, but she doesn't say anything. But I've been on her show a couple times now coming out just because I'm friends with Brittany. You're on the new season of Uncommon James.

Apparently. I'm so upset because we pitched you to The Hills. Yeah, why did they take me? Because you live in Nashville. They're casting right now. We could probably get on season two. Everybody listen to Spencer and Heidi's podcast and Snapchat everything. I love you guys.

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