Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Spencer Pratt | Creating A Villain, His New Memoir, & Running For LA Mayor!

Episode Date: March 24, 2026

#930. The Man, the Myth, the Reality TV Legend… Spencer Pratt!Spencer dives into his New York Times Best Selling memoir, The Guy You Love To Hate: Confessions of a Reality TV Villain. From his decision to create a villain persona, what fame actually did to his mental health, losing it all and rebuilding, the wild fire that burnt down his home, his relationship with Heidi, regrets, redemption, and his run for Mayor!If you’re LOVING this podcast, please follow and leave a rating and review below! PLUS, FOLLOW OUR PODCAST INSTAGRAM HERE!Thank you to our Sponsors! Check out these AMAZING deals!Bombas: Head over to Bombas.com/VINE and use code VINE for 20% off your first purchase.Hairstory: To try it for yourself, go to www.hairstory.com/offthevine and use code VINE15 at checkout for 15% off your order.Nanit: If you’ve been thinking about upgrading your baby monitor, now is the time. Get 20% off a Nanit camera or the exclusive Nanit system with Home Display, only available on nanit.com.Momentous: Tonal: Right now, Tonal is offering our listeners $200 off your Tonal purchase with promo code VINE at tonal.comProgressive: Visit Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance.EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS: (2:18) - Like, this would be like if the ops wrote the book about you. Because I felt like the only way I could have a good memoirs of felt like somebody was trying to take me down. Because, you know, my story is in my mind. It's like a tragic journey of, like almost being so close for so many times. But, you know, that's why I haven't given up hope because my time is still coming one day. I love that about you. I love that you you're still a believer in.(26:19) -  What would you say the percentage was of how much was actually you and how much was a character you're playing? I'd say in the beginning it was just like kind of goofy, like just how I was more fun. And then when it started going darker, it was really forced. And you're you're just redoing things so many times in so many ways, and you're reading their beats. So the energy just becomes like a toxic frequency… I think I could have done it just like, you know, way sharper. Whereas people I would still say what I was saying, but like, articulate it so, you know, still be the bad guy, but just get better sentences out. So the audience didn't hate me for just being insane verses, oh wow, he's really sad. Who knows? It was an impossible situation.(48:20) - That's not just like a couple things you lost. Like you guys lost everything. Everything. And then back to the crystals. I put all of my money into crystals since 2008, and people joke about it like, oh, all my crystals could have been in a museum like I had museum grade specimens that were going up in value every year getting more rare. It was my kid's inheritance.(53:11) - I was forced because this lady, Karen Bass, who is rerunning who's probably, God forbid, if I didn't even step in, she was for sure winning and getting four more years. So if somebody had stepped up that, as they would say, has more experience and more qualifications and was saying all the truth about this mayor, I wouldn't even add again, I would just be focusing on selling my book, which is so much easier than trying to deal with running for mayor of Los Angeles. So the idea that, oh, I'm running for mayor to help my books, I can just do all these podcasts only about my book and not talk about you know, our city being destroyed. So, no, I do not want to be doing this. And it's it's kind of like, if I don't, then who will? Evil wins. Yeah, I look at it and and to me, at this stage in my life, it's I'm way more into the spiritual warfare era of my existence.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'm your host, Caitlin Bressow, Spencer Pratt. I feel like he's one of those people that you have to say the man, the myth, the legend for when you introduce him. He obviously became a household name on the Hills, where he quickly earned the reputation as reality TV's most notorious villain. I didn't watch the Hills, and I remember seeing their faces everywhere. Of course, I knew who Spidey was because of all the headlines, the dominating tabloids, and honestly, my girl's group chat still talks about it to this day. But what's fascinated about Spencer is that behind all of the chaos, he was always playing much more of a strategic game that maybe you'll hear more about here. I think more than people realized. And now, for the first time, he's pulling back the curtain on all of the chaos.

it in his brand new memoir, The Guy You Love to Hate. Confessions of a reality TV villain, which is already an instant New York Times bestseller. In this episode, we talk about everything, the decision to create a villain persona, what fame actually did to his mental health, losing everything, rebuilding his life, the wildfire that destroyed his home, and why he says he's finally stepped out of character for good. We also talk about his relationship with Heidi, regrets, redemption, and yes, his run for mayor. Okay, enjoy this episode with Spencer Pratt. I know to read my audience, I am not going to complain about a couple bad things happening in my life to Spencer because what you, after listening to your book, I'm like, you deserve every break that comes your way. Your book was amazing.

I text you this. I just could not get enough of it. And because Demi Moore and Jessica Simpson, those were my two favorite audiobooks I've ever listened to because it was so raw, because it was so vulnerable and they weren't afraid of shying away from the truth. And then I listened to yours. And hearing your voice tell the story too was so good. And I got to know you way better than than I thought I already did. Well, I'm very thankful that you enjoyed it. I did. Our officially best friends.

I thought we were before. But now I'm like, wow. Now you know everything. Yeah, no, the goal was to write a book that the way I joked about it, it seems like somebody wrote a book to like, take me down. Like this would be like if the ops wrote the book about you. Because I felt like the only way I could have a good memoir is it felt like, it felt like somebody was trying to take me down because, you know, my story is in my mind,

it's like a tragic journey of like almost being so close for so many times. But, you know, that's why I haven't given up hope because my time is still coming one day. I love that about you. I love that you're still a believer in, well, I mean, so many things have happened from the outside. I'm like, oh, you know, or from even anyone following you on social media, like before the fires, I would say. It's just like, you guys always figure stuff out. And then that happens and you're like, I actually was like give this family a break. Because I knew you on more of a personal level,

you know that I didn't ever watch the hills. And then we became friends with you after I came off The Bachelorette. And I was like, these are the two nicest people I've ever met my life. And like so real and so honest and really good friends and really good people. And I couldn't fathom that people didn't like you. Until I started seeing like, you know, like you said in the book, the TikTok clips that now can be replayed that everyone can have their own side of the story that you thought like was ended. And so for you to have your own voice and write this book, I'm like, I want everybody to read this so that they know who you guys are. Yeah, I'm actually so thankful because I always joke for years. If I had narrated the hills, the other cast members would have definitely been the bad guys. And it's the power of

not just having the edit, but shaping the narrative. And, you know, whether or not, there's a lot of stuff I talk about in my book that, you know, people still don't agree with of choices I've made. But I would do them again if you, once you see the setting and what created those choices. And again, they're not always the most mature, you know, Christian angel, you know, church Sunday answer, but it makes more sense. And so that's why I'm so grateful that the publisher gave me a chance to do it and then let me do the audio book. And so even for my kids one day, you know, that way, I doubt they'll ever read it, but maybe they'll listen to it. And it just gives more of a perspective to the insanity of trying to be famous for so many years.

I mean, even even you as a kid, learning about you as a kid when you opened up in that part of the book at the beginning, I was like, oh my gosh, this is so funny hearing what you were like as a kid into who you are today. But you wrote also that you didn't accidentally become the villain that you created him and that you studied, obviously, people like Simon Cowell and understood what, you know, made the audience react the way that they do. What's fascinating is it worked. Like, obviously, you knew what you were doing and it worked. You became one of the most famous reality TV villains of all time.

What I still don't know the answer to is, did you enjoy it? Thankfully, like I've said before, there wasn't, like the flip side is there wasn't social media. Yeah. So if I had had common sections and DMs and if I was going on TikTok live and just, just feeling that hate in real life, I probably would have not been able to continue. Because just having moments of that, the level of attack you can get now on social media is so powerful. And that didn't exist then. So yes, I enjoyed it because I never felt hated.

If I went to Don Antonio's, people were, even if I was the bad guy, people would take photos with me, even if it was to send them around and be like, look, I saw this idiot or whatever it was. So I never, there's only maybe two times and I felt good because I was like, oh, I'm popping. But these high school, I'm assuming there were high schoolish younger women drove by when I was at my favorite Cafe Vita restaurant of the Palisades. And they were screaming out the window, flicking me off and be like, whatever they were saying. And I was like, yes. I made it. You know, like I felt like.

So to me that was such a win that driving by, people would be like, spot you and start yelling out the window. But thankfully, that didn't continue that much. Maybe twice. I think there was another one, which was so the second time, which was out of a movie scene, I was listening to, because I used to play it all the time, it's this song, Hi-Heda by this guy, Maynoh.

And I'm not kidding, I'm out of light, and I'm listening to Hi, Hayda, by Hayda, and somebody comes up at the red light, and they're like, flicking me off and talking. I'm like, hi-hater. It was like, it was straight. out of a simulation. So there's only like twice that that happened. But no, I was having so much fun because back then it was fun to be famous, whether you were hated or not, because it wasn't

so serious because, you know, you were just famous. You were on covers of magazines. You got to go. So different. You know, host Las Vegas nightclubs and people are lining up. And so, no, it was always fun. Again, only part of the book is, you know, you know, for instance, Heidi's family not liking me because they actually believed what they were watching and what everyone is saying. So that doesn't make it fun. But if that part's not involved, it's the best job in the world. Well, yeah, because you were also so young. So you got to like enjoy because it was such a chaotic time of life. Like in my 20s, I was doing so much dumb shit and like partying and having the time of my life where if I was famous at that time, I always say thank God I wasn't. But if I was,

I probably would have enjoyed it too because I felt like I was entertaining. I felt like the world would have been entertained if they filled me in my 20s. But I feel like the older you get, the more you're obviously perspective changes, your goals change. You have a family. Like there's so many things. But I was thinking about, is your Nana still alive? No, but she would be so happy right now because she was such a good connection to always

when people would be saying, oh, Spencer, she would be, you're the best. I'm not kidding. She had two pins of Heidi in our faces that she'd wear around town and hold magazines. So that energy always made me go back to, I knew how hard it was to be famous. So I always, you know, when you create your own fame and it's not part of the system or as kids these days say like a plant, you know, if you're not like planted in the game, which they're not wrong. There's people that are part. They're not handed fame. but they have all the pieces that are designed by teams and they're put into a formula.

I was never part of that. So I knew it was week to week. And so I was very grateful to just eat S-H-I-T and do whatever they said. Because I was like, this is. And fame was cooler. People don't get. That was before it got where everyone's famous now are in a niche. This was still monoculture where if you were in this world,

you were, even though you were not getting their checks and you may not be as liked and taking serious or credibility, but you're still in the Tom Cruise dialogue, you know, so. I mean, I didn't see Tom Cruise on the cover of all the Us Weekly magazines. I always remember seeing you guys, even when I didn't watch the show, I still, of course, knew who Spidey was because of how you guys took over the media in every way.

I just thought, wow, that guy must be like the worst, but that's because I just saw it on magazines and, of course, didn't know you guys at the time, but do you remember like a specific moment when fame stopped being a fantasy and like started becoming a strategy? Well, I mean, obviously go back to Princess of Malibu. You know, that was the most manifesting I, to this day, I think I've ever done in the sense that I was literally saying to them, I'm going to make a Fox TV show when Fox was the biggest network at the time. And then when it really just tripped me out is when we started filming, they brought.

in when I say like a fake moon I'm talking the biggest like it was a light that was in the sky above the house it was a moon for lighting and when they brought this moon in above Brody's parents house to film I was like oh my god we have our own moon that's when I was just like this is as cool as it gets but as much ego as I had it was still imposter syndrome because I always knew that it took so much to be in the game and it was not handed to us. So I didn't see the paparazzi industry collapsing with social media. So if I had saw that, I probably would have even lived with more fear than I did

of just the show getting canceled. Because I always said, oh, we'll always be able to stage paparazzi photos and make money doing that and working with the tabloids. So seeing Instagram come and that business just be destroyed and the tablet's not even really existing how they did. That one I was not in my crystal ball. So that one to this day hurts a lot.

The way it has changed so much, like even in the last 10 years of social media is mind-blowing to me. But I was thinking about all the names that you had in this book, like from the people you grew up going to school with, Mary Kate, Jonah Hill, Ryan Gosling taking hits from a bong. I always thought people were so scared to write a book because people would sue from, like, defamation of character. Were you scared to drop these names or were you like, I don't give a shit? Oh, no.

I shout out Simon and Schuster. I think they use more lawyers on my book than. That's awesome. You know, if you have photos of things and multiple witnesses, which thankfully, in most of the scenarios, I do. But yeah, this was a long legal process. So I feel very confident in their legal teams. I don't think I said anything that anybody has. problem with. I... You just never know. I feel like people are so sensitive that they'd be like,

I don't want to be in your buck. Well, good luck. Simon Schuster had a lot of lawyers. So I have a feeling it will be harder than they can imagine. It's all how you word things. And if you really look at the writing, it's some of it's so funny because it's like we're in a court case already. So you have to go back and reshape everything in legally fancy sentences. So I have the faith in these lawyers that you can pretty much do almost anything. Some things I, like a random thing I had to take out of the book that my mom's sister was dating, the guy that lived down the street from my dad. At the time, he's the real character from the Johnny Depp movie Blow.

He's the Johnny Depp character. And he was like the biggest cartel. He was American, but he was running all the drugs from Afghan. And we're talking as big as a cartel type American character could be. And he's dead. And it was all public thing. And we couldn't say that he was this big drug thing. I was like, huh?

He's dead. And this is like a famous care. Like his business partner went to prison for 40 years or whatever. So weird stuff like that. Huh. Interesting. And I was like, whatever. I was like, okay, the guy down the street then.

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I didn't know that terminology, and I don't know who invented it, but Vanity Fair did a great piece about it. Oh. So you and I can be talking right now, and then whatever I'm saying to you, an editor can take and put Joe Schmo like I was talking to them. So that's what the show really is, is a bunch of looks. And then if you cut back to the back of the head and the voice is recorded in an ADR session. So every week you go to a recording studio and you,

you do wild lines, which is just a list of sentences. And I'm sure now looking back at it, there's 20 that are totally fake and they sneak the one that you don't know is going to cook you in there. So they have you say like, I'm going to get breakfast. I'm going to. And then it's like, I'm going to kill somebody. And you said it so many times. You were talking about going in through the back door with a bunch of celebrities to this nightclub. And they edited it to make it seem like you were talking about going through Heidi's backdoor in a sexual context. And I was like hearing that story. I was like, oh my God, that probably happened to you a shmillion times over the seasons. I didn't, again, I never watched a show until a couple of years ago when I started

doing those TikToks. Yeah. And when I saw it, I was like, oh my these mother. And the energy I had was because we were popping and we're going to lay due. And now we get to use the VIP back entrance that you don't have to stand in line. So the energy I have like, ooh, you're going to hit the back door. You know, it's just the creepiest, cringiest. I definitely was never on that level where I would be bragging about hitting hiding in the back door on television. I never was at that tier. Yeah, I found that part fascinating. Like, and obviously that happens. You have so many good stories in the book that people just need to hear for themselves because I couldn't talk about them. Well, first of all, I'd ruin the book if I read them all here. But for people,

that are listening right now, you have to read this book because even the story about turning down, like, Chris Jenner calling you being like, hey, do you want to work on keeping up with the Kardashians or whatever? Before it even started, you were like, yeah, right. And you and Brody like laugh and hang up the phone. And then it turns into this insane thing of what the Kardashians are to this day. But this happened to you so many times. Oh, I didn't even put this in this book. And I just saw Brody and his mom the other day. Yeah. And the person that bought Casablanca, where we filmed, Princess of Malibu was this guy, David Ellison, no, Larry Ellison, and he was a billionaire, and his son, David Ellison, had just done a movie about airplanes or whatever.

We're all the same age, probably 20, 21, and Linda Zyak. You guys should meet up with David and, like, do movies and projects together, and we're cool. He just bought Paramount. No. Yeah, he has Skydance. He makes all the... Tom Cruise movies.

He just made Top Gun. So it's just, I saw them the other day. I was like, yeah, remember Brody when Linda said we should team up with David Ellison and start a production company? Well, he now owns Paramount and he's in a bidding war with Netflix to buy Warner Brothers. That's insane. So that's actually insane. I'm just like, oh, yeah, that could have been, that could have been a good opportunity.

I can't even handle when like one tiny opportunity slips by me that was maybe like a brand deal. I get so mad at myself. Like, how do you just let that stuff go when it could have changed everything? So we were also, this again, not in the book, but speaking of missed opportunities, when we were at peak famous, Taco Bell wanted to do a national commercial with us where we were at the Ivy and all the paparazzi are at the taking photos of us and we're out, you know, cheesing it up. And then we look over and it's like the new taco on the table and they're not taking our photo and our he's in heaven now our agent at the time he died but yeah he said no and wanted a half a

million for each of us when i would have done it for two double deckers for the clout at the time you guys love your taco bell yeah and then he blew it i was like so those type of things i wish i had a time machine to go back and just call one 800 taco bell be like wrong number i don't know who you're talking to like i'm in So a lot of things, because we were, once we got big time agents, we were so famous, they treated us like how they would act with major stars, but we didn't have that clout. So they sabotaged us a lot. Yeah, you guys specifically, more than anyone I've ever heard in any industry got sabotaged,

like so tremendously that I just think like the trauma and trust issues I would have, I already have those, let alone like everything that you guys have gone through. I'm going to talk about Kardashians for one more second because I love that you're a conspiracy theorist. And the more time goes on, the more I think like these are not conspiracy theories. But if you would have gotten about, I mean, you kind of know Kardashians and you're, I mean, you're friends with Brody, whatever that connection is. But do you believe in the conspiracy theories that go around about the Kardashians? No. I mean, I don't know which one, but there's so many. Yeah, I think the reality is they had Ryan Seacrest, who is at the peak of his career.

she had a very engaging adult tape at the time when it was just the perfect timing. She was already learned and studied from the Kobe Bryant of Fame, Paris Hilton, and got to see that close up. And they put everything on their show. And then Comcast stuck by them for even when the show was getting 200,000 viewers and was bombing. They kept it on air for all those years. So I think it's just a perfect.

storm of, you know, I don't think they're like Satanus or anything. I'm not saying they're, you know, angels, but. Sure. Yeah, I don't think it's some conspiracy. I think now, obviously, once you get to that level of fame and money, you're around very creepy people that may do creepy stuff, but whether or not I think, I don't see Kim doing creepy stuff. I know. She seems like a nice girl. I just don't think she needs to, you know, do that level of what you hear about. I don't I think she wants, I think she had got enough fame, enough money where she's not. Also, look at what she has to deal with. You know, if she was really in something, I don't know if they would have let.

Also, she got Kanye at the peak of his career. So that also boosted them. She wasn't getting any vogue or anything until, you know, this is pre-Conyie doing, you know, going sideways. So that's another factor. You got Seacrest, you got Comcast. Again, Chris Jenner is clearly very smart. So smart.

Yeah. And then everything worked out. perfect. Kylie had Snapchat when it was the peak of Snapchat and she was so smart to put the lip kit on there. And so if she didn't do the lip kit and Snapchat didn't exist, she doesn't probably become a billionaire. So just things all, certain people, things work out for it. I know. Gosh. Not that I've looked into anything, but my hunches, they're clear. That's funny. Wait, the Snapchat always reminds me, you, I'll never forget you telling me, like Caitlin's Snapchat is your own reality show now.

You get to like take this edited version of yourself and put it on Snapchat and have your own voice and your own story and create like this where you're having more views than The Bachelor ever has, which was so true. And I took that advice. And it actually, I wish I did more with it because at the time I just thought like, I'll have this forever. But the Snapchat time that we were both in was just so good. And now I'm like there's nothing like it anymore.

And that's why I talk about it. my book is without that, that changed my life, even though it didn't, you know, I guess it did because that's what launched the crystal business. So it financially did. But it was, I actually quit Snapchat because I was so mad when they started finally letting people monetize it. And all these people were just re-uploading their YouTube videos that weren't even Snapchats. And they're making like three million in a week. And I've been doing this all day long for free for like seven years. And so I was so just bitter. I went back.

It was a rough few days. My favorite is how consistent you've been on the internet. Like, people, obviously, like, we're going to talk about the hills and had this opinion of you, but then they got to watch your Snapchat. And you, like, really recreated and reinvented Spencer Pratt with the guy who loves Taylor Swift, the guy who loves crystals, the guy who just does his espresso morning dances and saves hummingbirds. Like, it was so fun to watch.

Like, that is one of my first memories of you is having Alan, the hummingbird. And you've stayed true to. that Spencer for so long, which I'm obsessed with. But it's so nice, again, like I said, to have your own voice, your own platform to, like, do all these things. But when you were Spencer Pratt on the hills, like, obviously there's performance versus who you actually were. But what would you say the percentage was of how much was actually you and how much was a character you're playing? I'd say in the beginning, it was just like kind of goofy. Like, just how it was more fun. And then when it started going darker, it was really forced and you're, you're just

redoing things so many times. in so many ways and you're reading their beats. So the energy just becomes like a toxic frequency. So yes, it's me sitting there, but I'm probably sitting there for two hours doing the same argument over and over, or I'm filming with people that I know are trying to sabotage me behind.

So I would say no, not very much real, Spencer, because it just became so negative. But again, I was making so much money that I didn't care, but I was just like, let me get this done so we can go leave and get out of here. Yeah. And I wish I was more mature and was able to really compartmentalize my emotions and had treated it way more like a Timmy Salome would have approached doing the show and like not taking anything personal, like walking in and like paying for my own writing team behind the scenes. So I just wish I had been more. strategic versus just like winging it but if you're more strategic and like you had your own team and

you they probably wouldn't have allowed that like they you didn't really have an option to get this paycheck other than do what they say is what it sounds like no i think but i think i could have been the bad guy in a you know in a more artistic way not just it just didn't feel you know i don't watch the show but i all over my ticot is this tell me lies guy you know who the bad guy i'm like I should have, I had no way as he was as bad as me. And everyone gets away with this. And, you know, I just should have done it smoother, I feel like, less like unhinged. Yeah.

I mean, I could have done it just like, you know, way sharper. Whereas people, I would still say what I was saying, but like articulate it. So, you know, still be the bad guy, but just get better sentences out. So the audience didn't hate me for just. being insane versus, oh, wow, he really says, who knows, it was an impossible situation. Yeah, that's what I'm, that's what I think I'm getting at is it feels like it was an impossible situation because even if you did do that, they'd take the ones that you didn't do that. You know what I mean?

Like the editors would take the moments you weren't articulating yourself properly to keep that. Like, you wouldn't be as hated if you could articulate your feelings better. If not that, I wish just for my own emotions, I could have like not taking everything so internalized it. Like when I see clips, like now that they try to make my like worse moods viral, I'm like, nothing was worth that. Right. And that's where I'm at now, obviously, as a grown-up, is really trying to, because now I'm like matter every day than I've ever been in my whole life, but channeling that in the like productive energy versus just being crazy. So again, you know, I was only 23.

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That's livemometus.com promo code Vine. The friendship you had with Brody, hearing about what you guys did like before even the hills, I was like, oh, that's crazy. You guys were already, you know, working together, best friends hanging out every day. to lose that friendship for 10 years and now, you know, get an apology 10 years later and finally be back. But what did grieving that friendship look like for you? Or was it just pure like disappointment and resentment? Or did you like, were you actually sad? You know, it was just anger because I was such a loyal friend. But again, if I could go back, I would have handled that

so much better. And I would have just been like, great. Yeah. Hang out with them. Great. film with them all good and it would have been more powerful i definitely didn't do the sunzu art award how i should have on reality it's way more powerful to you know even if you i was so mad about it like that's so great you guys are hanging out you should redate why aren't you looking up with her what don't you like about her you don't you don't think she's attractive what why isn't where the sparks and just so that's like you probably do what i do where if if someone has has like done me wrong or done something that has upset me. I will play out in my head how I'm going to act the next time. We're like, coulda, shoulda, woulda. And if I get that other opportunity

to do it or if this happens to me again, I would just find it so hard to, again, I said this earlier, trust issues, having trauma. Like, how have you processed and got through just people dropping you or treating you the way they did on the show, manipulating the shit out of you, using you for certain things? Like, how do you build trust with people after that? Oh, I don't trust any. Yeah, I wouldn't either. I only trust Heidi. I, too, would only trust Heidi. Yeah, so absolutely trust nobody.

People keep on telling me because of now with the politics stuff, they're like, don't trust anyone. Do you think I was just, don't worry. Like, we're good advice. Heidi is so, like, she has never wavered. Like, she has never, I mean, she's probably gotten frustrated or having it, but she is such a rock. I always knew that, but then, of course, reading the book and hearing more stories that I didn't even know about.

One of the most powerful parts of the book is just how you two are ride or dies, like game, met game, you two against the world. Like, you were like born to find each other. So if you did, you know, go off and do the Kardashian thing, maybe you wouldn't have met Heidi. I look at you, too, as like one of the strongest couples I've ever met, not just in Hollywood, but in life. For me with Heidi, people do see that she's an angel, obviously. but to read the book in here the way she stood by you,

the way she went to school with you and helped you take notes for two years, like, well, you decided to go back to school or when you're like, let's fake a divorce and she's like, let's do it. Like you guys have always just been, as you said in the book too, thick as thieves, which I've never seen anything like it.

Did you ever have a moment where you thought you might lose her too because you lost so much? No. Yeah. Thankfully, the on-camera stuff was always so fake that it didn't connect. So when people will say, what's the secret to your relationship?

they only see what was the public part, which you would need so many secrets to make that work. But it was so superficial, pun intended. It's been easy. Thank God for Heidi. But if she was in Heidi, yeah, we would have never worked out. And I would have never got married. And I'd be trying to get on Bachelor in Paradise. Oh, well, which would be amazing.

But I would prefer the way that it is. But I just love how she's always on board with you. and if it's like a good idea or if it's a bad, she'll just like still listen to you to hear you out in your reasoning, even if to other people it could sound so insane. I feel like Heidi always hears you out on your ideas. I have questions about Hugo. Is Hugo still alive? Do you still talk to Hugo? Definitely not. He's alive, but definitely do not talk to that character from the book anymore. At first, I was like, I need to be in contact with Hugo. He sounds amazing. And then I was like, is he a scam artist or a fraud?

And then it sounds like maybe he was. I still don't know, honestly. Because my theory about the spray may be true. So that could have created the magic powers. But I paid for so many people to call it as like a lie and a bluff. And everyone I bring in and be like, okay, tell me. And they'll be like, what just happened? And everyone on some weird wizard crazy thing.

But if he was spraying everyone with, you know, acid or so, then it makes it way more, okay. So it's either he had some drugs that he was dosing everybody or this person's a straight warlock. Either one's scary. Either one is scary because for those of you who don't know, obviously Spencer, you're very into crystals and spirituality and all that. But this guy who you'll have to read the book to hear the full story, but basically like he was a healer and he would say, you know, you need. the spiritual protection around you and he would spritz you with his concoction of like essential oils. But then you look reflecting back, you're like, that could have been acid and we could have just been tripping and thinking like this guy was God. But is that the same time? Like,

was Heidi getting spritz too? Because she saw you levitating and I'm wondering if that, like, that was a crazy story. Yeah, that is the same time frame, 100%. But I was also tapped into a whole other. Are you tapped out of that now? Are you still in the zone? Oh, yeah. I don't, I don't, I don't play. that game anymore. That was the end. That was the end of trying to go. Well, once you realize you have to function on earth and in this dimension. So you start playing, trying to remote travel and tap another dimension.

You're only opening up things you shouldn't open up. But yeah, I don't know. Again, a lot of people, I mean, I'm talking at least 20. I just found an old photo from that house. and I have like 10 people in the room trying to prove that is this legit or not. And everyone after was like, I mean, you would go. You would go into the pyramid and you would be deep in the pyramid. And I, it was crazy.

So again, it could have been the spray, you know. It would be a great, it would be a great con. Let me tell you. Well, regardless, I would like to try the spray. I was listening to the part about, uh, you going on. I'm a celebrity. Get me out of here. which sounded like the fact that Heidi has almost died twice in her life and one was due to reality TV

and the other was from her surgery the aftercare, not even the actual surgery is the aftercare. Would you ever do reality TV again if you had no creative control? Yeah, I mean, I just did a huge show that unfortunately nobody watched called Got to Get Out on Hulu. Oh yeah. And so that was last year and I had no control trying to get that million dollars. but, you know, I'll do any show that has the right paycheck, so I don't... Well, you got blocked from Dancing with the Stars back in the Hills days. I'm like, I saw something online about you possibly doing Dancing with the Stars, you and Heidi,

which I think would be iconic. I think you have to be way more popping to be... They don't. You know, like right now with Alex Earle momentum, she just changed. I think I need to get my view count up. But realistically, I don't think either of us could do that type of a commitment to a show. I guess if you both were doing it. Watching that and how, because I obviously followed Val and Alex very seriously behind the seeds.

And that is three months all day, every day. And Heidi is not about to leave the kids for that long. And God willing, I'm about to be the mayor of L.A. So I can't go leave and do that. So I will continue supporting Val, who is now one of my favorite people, because he was on the show with me. I live with Val for three weeks. Isn't he wonderful? He is the best.

Yeah, I really like. But I mean, there's so many people that show that like the evil, quote unquote, evil lady from the parent trap. She like made it all the way to the finale. And she doesn't have popping off numbers at all. But that's a good point. I mean, if you are running for mayor and Heidi is a mom and she's obviously very, you guys are both very involved parents. Like that is a very big commitment to do dancing with the stars. But also from the poop bucket story from the.

jungle. I am assuming you would never do special forces because that's a whole other thing of that kind of behavior. They have to clean each other's poop on that show also? Yeah. Oh yeah, I don't do poop shows. It's one of my standards. But I did watch Brody win that. So I have no problem with that show. But yeah, I can't do other people's human poop thing. Gosh, that's what would have me out to. I'm like the dropping in water already terrifies me. But if I was forced to, I could. The The claustrophobia and the poop buckets is where I would, I wouldn't really do it. It's 100% they do that on that show. Yeah, they just, because I interviewed Sean Johnson, who won it.

And she asked Brody about it because I wonder if that's a new thing that they, because she definitely told us about it. He would have mentioned that to me. I wonder if that wasn't like, yeah, maybe it is. No, that should be illegal. I agree. That's disgusting. Also, because in real special forces, they're not, that's not even happening.

I'm not cleaning, like, get out of here. The amount of things that reality TV will do just to make people uncomfortable is wild. And then, because you said with the contract, you had to sign away, like, obviously you guys could die on, I'm a celebrity, get me out of here, which I thought was crazy that they did not let you leave the first time that you're like, I'm out of here. Call, call it, call the helicopter. I'm done. And they're like, you're going to have to actually continue until there's like a challenge that you can't do or something. I was like, that would scare the shit out of me. There's three days of asking the leave.

And there's literal snakes and rats and everything just swarming you. There's a reason why there was not a season two. Anytime the show doesn't have a season two, that means the season one was very, very suspiciously. And they're like, okay, we're done with this project. But yeah, reality TV is, it's incredible. But then there's shows like Marriage Boot Camp, which was one of the most fun times I've ever had in my life with Heidi and and Natalie Nunn and Tyson, Apostle and Rachel, his wife. So, and then wife swap was so much fun.

Which is funny because I've heard nightmare stories about those shows. And then you guys had like a wonderful experience on that. So it's like, I feel like all reality TV, it's just you either are going to have fun or you're going to have the worst time of your life. I feel like that I saw that happen to so many people on Bachelor too. I think, well, they changed the drinking rules after us on marriage boot camp. So there wasn't a rule. And at that time, obviously it was pre-parenting.

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The fires. Obviously, like, this has been such a just devastating time for so many people in California. And I feel like people obviously still, like the world moves on. But the people who have felt that loss, like will never, that will never be something you move on from. I just feel like you specifically to you guys are like maybe I got this wrong, but tell me if I'm wrong. Are you sentimental people? Like, I feel like you hang on to a lot of things. You mean like my childhood bedroom that burned down that had every single thing I've had. since I was born all exactly where I left it. I can't handle that. Could have been a museum of every, I had every single phone I've had since Nextel came out when it was like a walkie-talkie. I had all my pagers. Every single thing you could think of I had.

What is that like though to just have to now? Because obviously it puts things into perspective. Hi, sweetie. Is that your like protection dog? Oh, he's off the hook. I'm obsessed. What is his name again? So it's okay.

Yoki. Oh, Yoki. Yoki. That's what it is. Yoki. I'm obsessed with Yoki. And you guys have put so much money into that and like training that dog. Oh, no.

No, no, no. The story with him, he's a very famous dog and the people that took him couldn't handle him. So I knew of this dog because I was so into this. So they called me and said, do you want to? go pick the dog up. So he's, he's almost five years old. So I got to re-home this dog. I didn't know you rehome. I've seen so many videos of you training and trained so many things. I just go to his, to keep him because he's such a famous, just for it because it's fun for him. So it's like going to his, because he's a world champ police dog. I feel like he needs to still do his,

I don't want to just make him just a baby. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, because he probably loves to work. No, he's been rehomed to us, a miracle. Oh, that's awesome. Oh, I love that so much. What an angel baby. So, yeah, perspective, like, obviously shifts of what's important and, like, things, but it's not just like a couple things you lost. Like, you guys lost everything. Everything. And then back to the crystals, I put all of my money into crystals since 2008. And people joke about it. Like, all my crystals could have been in a museum. Like, I had museum grade specimens that were going up in value every year. getting more rare. It was my kid's inheritance. I bought because it was one thing I always invested in. If you buy anything else, like jewelry, you can lose, it can get stolen, even gold you can trade it in. But big crystals, it's so difficult, A, to steal.

Nobody wants to steal your crystals because they don't know how much they're worth and how you're going to sell them. So it was such, for me, it was such a good thing to invest in because they were just going up in value. I couldn't lose the Bitcoin passcode or whatever. Yeah. But yeah, that was a really, you know, at least probably $2 million in just crystals that went up. And then all of Heidi's clothes, all of my clothes. Which was, I mean. Well, all of Heidi's clothes from the Hills era, she got jacked back then.

So she got totally scammed by a reseller that was out of a, I told her not to do it. Yeah. She probably had a million in Hills clothes. and they were like, we'll sell all this stuff for you, Bob. I was like, do not do it. Oh, no. You're not. And then they took all of her clothes and then gave.

It's a really famous person that I choose not to out, but. You're kidding. Did that to her? Yeah. And it gave like 30 grand for a million's worth of, you know, brand new stuff. God, I mean. So thankfully she'd already been dealing with that loss for 16 years, 17 years. People have really douched you guys.

And then the world's a crazy one. That's insane. So thankfully she already lost those clothes. So this was, she bought nice clothes for the Hills reboot that she lost all her new shoes, that she was meticulous about buying because she'd already not bought designer shoes after going through that back in 2009, 2010. So she hadn't bought anything until the Hills reboot and then was very specific with each pair. And again, you don't think your house was.

burning down because we didn't grab any of this stuff. She just grabbed diapers and overnight clothes for the kids. Yeah. Yeah. I just can't even, I just can't even my brain can't access those feelings of devastation that anyone could possibly feel going through what you guys have went through. Like I've seen a couple interviews, but like just the fact that people did rally behind you guys after that with Heidi's music and everything that's gone on. Like, I mean, that's like a sliver of a silver lining. because I feel like you've gone from being so hated to then being so loved with people rallying behind you. But at the end of the day, like, what does that matter if you've lost everything?

And I want to know just like how you coped and what your perspective is moving forward with that kind of loss. Yeah, that was the one unfortunate thing when Heidi was on billboard charts and all that. She never got excited because she would have rather had had her house with her kids going to school. So I channeled it. And I was also drunk, delirious, wasn't sleeping. going through PTSD. And I channeled like, no, this music's going to buy us our new house. And my parents are a new house.

But I forgot music isn't like when we were growing up where you could get rich off it. So even with 100 million streams and all this, you can't even buy, you know, the water filter system. We added our house that burned down. Oh, my God. Because it's like zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, zero, one cent a stream or whatever. Yeah, it's crazy. But it was very helpful for my mental health, even though Heidi never got into it. I was so into it.

And, you know, it did give us the time she got to go travel to the world and perform. And there was so many people hugging her and giving her such love that that was what was needed at the time. But definitely, like I always say to people like Karen Bass will be like, Spencer just running for mayor to sell his book. I'm like, lady, I would rather have my house and my humming. birds back than this book and running for mayor. So the idea that I can profit off of, I'm in negative for the rest of my life. There's no, there's no net positive that comes from losing everything, your parents losing everything, your mom crying all day long.

There's no, my book could be the number one bestseller for 10 years. And I still don't think it would make enough money to get my parents' house back, our house back. So that, so that, but the fact that. the lady who's responsible for my house right now publicly says that, you know, it's just demonic. These people are diabolical. Well, is that why you want to get into it to like?

No, I don't. That's what I don't want to get into it. I was forced because this lady, Karen Bass, who is rerunning, who's probably, God forbid, if I didn't even step in, she was for sure winning and getting four more years. So if somebody had stepped up, that as they would say, has more. experience and more qualifications and with saying all the truth about this mayor, I wouldn't even, again, I would just be focusing on selling my book, which is so much easier than trying to deal with running for mayor of Los Angeles. So the idea that, oh, I'm running for mayor to help my

book. It's like, I can just do all these podcasts only about my book and not talk about, you know, our city being destroyed. So, no, I do not want to be doing this. And it's, it's kind of like, If I don't, then evil wins. That's the way I look at it. And to me at this stage of my life, I'm way more into the spiritual warfare era of my existence. And the only way I get through every day so positive is I'm on now the destiny phase of my existence. Like, okay, this is God's plan for me to fight evil. And so it's so much more big picture.

And like, is it frustrating for you that your sister is still stepping in saying like, don't vote for my brother? Like the fact that she's going on record saying that. Or I thought you guys were like in a better place. Anyone that reads my book will understand the backstory. And so I don't. I assume people that support me at least are caught up in the situation and are well aware of what has been the situation since I was. So no, I don't take anything. I've been doing this journey

as you were reading the book since long, long ago. So no, I don't you know. And it's back to the spiritual warfare factor. Yeah. The devil is going to use any entity that is a vessel of that frequency to try to attack. So I already as they would say, I got my armor of God on. So again, what I'm up

against that is such a lower tier of the stakes. So again, nothing surprises me. And back to not trusting anyone we talked about. I've pretty locked in on that. Well, when you speak about like God's plan, how do you keep the faith in God when this stuff has happened to you? You know, one thing, Heidi, because she's my preacher for all these years, we'll always say because, you know, when you look at things going on in the world and everything's so tragic, and I'll be like, well, what's going on here, honey? Why is God allowing this? and she'd be like, well, we're not in heaven, Spencer. I'm like, oh, good point.

So as much as we as humans and in the flesh see this reality as this, God didn't tell us this is some perfect place. We're not in heaven. So this is a spiritual battlefield. And, you know, I don't have the answers for just this week. Something happened to somebody I know with a pregnancy. And it's the most horrible thing I've ever could have imagined. And all I think about is, you know, you go, why would God let that?

You can't think that way because this, again, this is in heaven. And you can't be like, oh, God, let that happen. We don't know what's going on here. And what is the powers that be and the purpose. So I just try to stay in. I'm going to do my best in this life now to go against evil and stay as true to my heart as possible. That's past my answers.

And I never want to act like. I know that. I don't want to know that because that's a scary, you know, that can be a scary answer that. But I just think about for how much evil is on this earth, there can be so much good. And however I can be to stop evil at this point feels like a purpose. I'm proud of you for stepping up and stepping into something like this that like, yeah, you're not doing it for anything other than like if I don't, who else will and wanting to do the right thing. And like the way that you've gone into, you've always been in protection mode of Heidi. obviously, but like of your whole family now.

And I feel like if I was married to Heidi, I would just, every day to me would be a new day of being like, okay, she's such a light. And I feel like she brings perspective and some sort of light into every situation. And I don't know how she does it, but she somehow does even online, I feel it. And I'm so excited because she has new music coming out in four weeks, doesn't she? A new single this week. And then, yeah, she has a whole album coming out. But the thing about Heidi is she takes it so serious, like every day, pray.

you know, go into Bible studies with these other powerful women. So she's locked in, you know, it's not winging it. And she's, ever since I met her, she was always, you know, I didn't have a Bible before I met Heidi. I, you know, that she's really been always connected and to faith and God. And so I think that's her where she finds that. And so it is inspiring from somebody who wasn't like that to try to channel that frequency and she's way better at it. I use her. I complain all day long. Let's be clear. I'm a professional

complainer. Yeah. Me too. Yeah, she's a very special person. I don't know. No, she really is. I couldn't be around me as much as she's around me. My last question is, what do you think is one thing people still get completely wrong about you? I feel like my audience now is so engaged with who I am that I am not concerned past them. So I would imagine past my area that people have any connection with me, I would say everything. So, you know, that's why again, I never worry about what anybody's saying about me or doing because the people who are been locked in like back to Allen, those people have stuck with me. They've consistently been on all my lives when I'm selling crystals. They've watched our kids being

born. You know, at this stage of my journey, I feel like I've had some really serious supporters. Yeah. So past them, I would say everything because everything they know about me is been, you know, by choice, as you'll see in my book, manufactured, lies, misrepresented. So, you know, everything. Thank you for reading the audiobook yourself. I loved hearing your voice tell all these stories. And you made me laugh so much. times, like even when you're telling the craziest story of like a helicopter is swirling your house and police are coming up with guns thinking you guys have, we're holding someone hostage. And just you're funny, like, like little things that would come out of your mouth in such a scary time of

like, thank you for what you do. Look, we have dogs. We love dogs. It just made me laugh. Thankfully, I recorded all that. So for that, I have the exact words because I was filming that with the top. So every word in there is a direct quote pulled from the video because I thought I was videoing our, you know, our killing. I'm hoping that you guys come out with like some sort of huge Netflix documentary about your whole life because that book made me want more even though I feel like I got the full picture. I wanted more. And just tell everyone where they can find you and your book. Speaking of that, one of the saddest parts, we did, somebody wanted to make a documentary about the book and they're like, do you have all this footage and photo? I'm like, it all burned.

So thankfully, I've pivoted. I think my book is more of a scripted like euphoria type series. So I'm just trying to figure out who to get to play me. But that's more of like an A24 production, very hardcore edgy TV series. So that's more of the direction I feel like. that. I'm going to go. Yes, no, please. If you don't like reading, I work very hard on the audiobook. So definitely you can get that on Audible.

I Spotify, people have messaged me. I didn't know they did that. Apple audiobooks. If you like to read, you can get it at Target, Amazon, Barnes & Noble, wherever. But please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please purchase it because I need to sell 100 million of them to, to, to, get my hummingbird life back. Oh my gosh.

Well, okay, tell everyone to buy both then because get the audio and the just for support. That's what I did. I got both. I pre-ordered. I listened to the audio. I loved it. Why I'm so proud about the audio book is when we first did Heidi's album

Superficial back in 2009, we met this protege of this famous mixer, this guy, Jason Joshua. Years later when Heidi just did a new album, it ends up he now has, I think 17 Grammys. he may have just got one to. Holy shit. He's 18 Grammys and he's the most famous mixer of music in the world,

you know, does all Beyonce's albums. And when I was doing the audio book, I told Simon & Schuster, I'm going to have Jason Joshua mix it. And they thought I was insane. They said, it's a very compressed file.

It doesn't matter if it's mixed. Oh, no, no, no. We need the Grammy mix. And they're like, oh, well, we can't afford him. I was like, oh, no, he'll hook it up. So shout out, Jason. and Joshua, I have 17 Grammys that mixed my audiobook. And then I have Kid LaRoy's vocal producer who did my audio, like made sure that every line.

And he had the most famous microphone in the world. There's only 250 of them. So the audiobook should sound very famous. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. I didn't know that, but that's a crazy fact because that there was something about your audiobook specifically. I literally text you.

be like, this is so good. It's everything combined. There it is. Famous mic, famous mic, famous vocal producer and famous mixer, which nobody does for an audiobook. Yeah, no. Yeah, no. I was like, we're doing it.

Well, the thing is about Spencer Pratt is when he does something, he does it right, and he does it big. And you can tell in the audio book. So, again, thank you. And it was so fun reading it. And I, like, went through so many emotions because I was like, how? Why? No.

Yes. laughing, crying. It was so good. So thank you. And thanks for coming on the podcast and tell Heidi and the kids I say hi. Hey guys. It's your friend Michelle Collins and I'm here to invite you to listen to the Michelle Collins show. Yes, that's my show. Unfiltered, unscripted, unhinged, and covers pretty much everything you're going to want to care about. It's funny. It's fearless. It could go off the rails at any moment and often does. So follow, rate and review the Michelle Collins show wherever you get your podcasts and let's spiral together. Pluto TV has thousands of free movies and TV shows.

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