Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Taylor Hale & Joseph Abdin: Behind Big Brother

Episode Date: October 25, 2022

Kaitlyn is fangirling on today’s episode as she and co-host Lo VonRumpf sit down with the winner of Big Brother Season 24 who made plenty of history, Taylor Hale, plus her BF/BFF (we’ll ask them, don’t worry), Joseph Abdin. Even though Taylor is living it up post-show with the most money in Big Brother history, there were plenty of hurdles to get to where she is today, and she and Joseph are going behind the scenes of Big Brother to recount what happened during their time in the house and what the cameras didn’t pick up on. From Joseph being thrown under the bus to the two of them semi-meeting before the show started to eating concoctions worse than prison food, these two are not holding back as they share all about their BB experience. And, what’s next for them… both together and individually? We’re “cruising” through these questions & many more! Thank you to our sponsors! Check out these deals for the Vinos: JSHEALTH - Use code OTV for 15% off the full range of targeted formulas, marine collagen collection, vegan proteins and more at JSHealthVitamins.com... Carefully formulated to care for you. You can also find Jess on all social platforms at @jshealth and @jshealthvitamins .  MODERN FERTILITY - Right now, Modern Fertility is offering my listeners $30 off your test when you go to ModernFertility.com/offthevine30.  PROGRESSIVE - Quote at Progressive.com to join the over 27 million drivers who trust Progressive.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Caitlin and her guests as they sip wine, lots of wine, and get candid. They say vulnerability creates connection. So save the highlight reel for Instagram, because when we're among Vino's, there's no filter. It's time to unwind. Here's your host, Caitlin Bristow. Welcome to Off the Vine. I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow, and I am already stumbling over my words, got my co-host with me. Heyo.

Okay. These guests were highly requested by me. Oh, yeah. Fan and out. Yeah. Okay. And the Vino's too. But I'm such a fan, low, as you know, a big brother.

I'm so excited to have Taylor, the winner of Big Brother. Oh, yes. And her BF, BFF, best friend, boyfriend, I'd say both, Joseph, to join us as well. Isn't he just a lovely little golden retriever? Middle Eastern snack of the man. So pleasant. And she was the first black woman to win Big Brother, all hail, Taylor Hale. The Queen.

The Queen, winner of season 24. And she also became the first house guest to win both the game and the America's favorite player prize. And before that, she was crowned Miss Michigan USA, 2021, and won Miss Congeniality at the Miss USA 2021 pageant. Her resume is just very impressive. Taylor and Joseph had an amazing connection in the house. And now outside, you can hear their connection and you can just see it between them, hey? Oh, they're so cute. they're so lovely they're so funny they're so cute and they talk just they're just so open they're open books which i

appreciate yeah super honest super honest so we catch up with them what they're up to now and what they're gonna do down the road it's fun so enjoy the combo with me love taylor and joseph Oh, my gosh. I don't want to do that to you. I know. The testing, I was like, one, two, three. Testing, testing, one, two. That's great. That's perfect.

It thinks ended well for me. So, you know, it's not. That's true. That's true. Okay, I have so many, so many things to talk about. First of all, I want to say, now I understand when people see me and they're like, I feel like I know you because I watch you on TV. Like, I'm like, I can't remember. I'm just like, look at you.

I just watched you for so long. I'm like one of those nerds that checks the, like, live feeds like at all time. We love the feeders. The feeders know the real story. Yes, true. true i didn't have all the time to be a 24 hour feeder but if i could have i would have i've done it for a few seasons like who's the guy who always yells and he has like the floaty around and he's like what's his freaking name he says we should know this better is it

beast mode cowboy no but i do know him they got paul oh oh we met paul we're not big brother historians like we both just got like we both got flopped into the world okay i never seen the show until I was on the show. No, for real. It was like I saw one season a year in advance and then I binge watch a bunch of stuff. But, you know, when you binge watching, you're cooking or doing stuff. You fall asleep. It still goes. And you're just like, I'll pick up when I pick up. Yeah. That's, that's my knowledge, really. That's where I'm at, too. I also have a bone to pick with you. Oh, talk to me. What I do? She follows my fiance and not me on Instagram. Okay, well, I only followed Jason like two days ago. After he'd be on me after about a bit's

opportunity. And it wasn't even him DMing me. No, I know. He told me. I DM'd you too I said you make that history baby I'm so proud of you And I didn't follow You know why Because I didn't think I was cool enough To follow you

Okay first of all Stop I'm also just totally joking I know you are But I'm doing it anyway Because I actually do like you Yeah How dare I follow a man before you I'll gross hate it

Yeah I follow both of you But I'm also like a big brother nerd Everybody knows that about me Like I've watched since season one Oh so you're gonna teach us more than we know I honestly And I still have so many questions I've podcasted with Casey when she won a podcast with like a few Big Brother people

and I've befriended a lot of Big Brother people. Followed. There we go. I'm sorry. I feel so much better now. I was like, I got him into Big Brother, but he like was barely into the season. And so I'm like, you got a follow for the winner and I didn't and I religiously watch. Terrible.

It was a joke, but I was like, at least I'm seeing her Monday. I can call her out. Yeah. I said, if I were. to be invited on any podcast, I would absolutely do yours before trading secrets. I need to figure out what's due with the money and then maybe I'll do trading secrets. Oh, there you go. I don't even go on trading secrets

because I'm scared to talk about my money. I'm like, I don't know I want my money. I like how weird about it. And then he's like, but that's the thing. I bet that's the number one question. People ask when you win Big Brother, what are you going to do with the money? How much money? Well, that's the question. Like that type

of thing. But she made history because she made the most money in Big Brother history. Wow. First Black woman to win. Yeah. And first winner to also win America's favorite player. Wow. Which is an extra $50,000.

Oh, shit. So, like, what, you won like $825,000? Well, just $800,000. Oh, 800,000. America loves you. Yeah, it's great. I feel like that would, like, I would go on and I'd be like, America probably hates me because I'm just a lot. But it made me feel better because you have a big personality and you are a lot and people love it.

And because the thing was, it was really nice to root for you because, because. you started off as in some people's mind an underdog not mine I was like I bet she's going to win I thought that from the beginning I was like this is just going to be one of those things where everyone thinks like she's going to go usually I have a big brother pool I didn't start one actually my girlfriend usually starts it but she didn't this year and I was really bummed out but I would have had you in my winners because I just I just had this feeling but it was hard for you from the start and you were constantly on the block and how was that going into the house knowing you're more of a private internal person and that you said, like, people don't usually, you're not warmed up to people right away. So how was that to move into a house full of a bunch of strangers? I don't want to know this from both of you. A house full of strangers.

Did you guys know each other before? No, but we didn't get a sneak peek of each other. You did? Okay, it's not the most religious thing. It's not like something was sent to us by mistake. I was lined up because, you know, we walked in groups of four. Yeah. So I was the second group of four to walk in.

We're lined up, right outside the door. Oh, my God, we're going to meet Julian walking to the house. And this golf cart pulls up right behind us. And it was the golf cart at the next four house guests. They just got there a little bit earlier than they should have. So I turn around and I see this dude in his tan suit. And I'm thinking he's like a producer on the cart. And he's in the suit.

And one of the producers of the show walks right up to him. And I don't know what words were exchanged. But we're told, do not say a word. Get him out of here. Okay. I obviously could tell driving up on the golf car, I see Taylor in the midst of a bunch of people. when I'm like, that's definitely a house guest. And I was like, if this is what, because as the alternate,

I was only told I was coming in the show like a couple hours before. So I was like coming up and I was like, okay, I lost. Wait, you were an alternate? Yes, I was an alternate. And they actually initially released the cast without me on it and then had to go back and be like, we're subtracting. It was Marvin and we're adding Joseph. So I think they let me know like 11 p.m. the night before.

so almost the morning of. Holy! Yeah, which I think is why there was a little back and forth. So my golf car arrives early. By early, it's like two minutes early. Yeah. Nothing salacious, nothing crazy. Yeah, they don't even let me near her.

It's just Taylor and I make eye contact. And just to put this into perspective, Turner was on my golf car, and I didn't even know Turner was on my golf car. Turner looks like a producer. Yeah, and nothing against Turner. I thought he was a girl because it was the back of his head. So I sat on the golf.

golf cart and I was like nothing here's catching my eyes. And it's Turner. No offense Turner. And he's sitting on the back of the car. And he's sitting on the back of the car. You were sitting on the back of the car. I was sitting in the front. Turner thought I was security. He was like, oh, I thought this guy was a security guy or a manager or something. Yeah, the tan suit threw

everyone on. So I get in the golf cart and we arrive since Turner's sitting in the back of the car, he's facing behind and I'm facing forward. And right when we get up, like Taylor and I make eye contact. And the producers are like get him out of fear right now and they like Taylor and I look away like we're I don't know first of all I don't know he's an alternate second of all I'm like they've probably got alternates waiting in the back wings like if I say something to somebody they're probably like you get out you get in totally I'm not messing it up I'm seconds away from stepping in the door

so we both and I'm already the alternates so I don't know what they're going to do if they sent me out oh my gosh I we just break the eye contact and we like avoid each other but like from that at least for me that sets me on like I'm like oh like I wonder who that was like I'm gonna go find out who that was like so then they send me away Taylor goes in and then we come back oh my gosh I love behind the scenes okay so then you step in the house you went in before you yeah so what was your thought going in were you like I'm just gonna be myself where I am a little bit more like closed off and then I'll eventually warm up to people because I'm going to be living with them like what was your strategy there going in.

Well, it's always how I've been. You know, when I joined a sorority, when I went through recruitment, when I meet people for the first time, it's always, oh, like, she's all big glam, lashes. I got my makeup on in the car, so I don't have my lashes on right now. You literally are a tent. I can't handle it. Go on. Why, Marys?

It's stupid. Uncomfortably stunning. I know. I'm not even into chicks, but I'm like, you know what? Give it a try. Why not? I'm like, already did. They're done that.

That's why I'm gay. I'll change your life. Anyway, yeah, so I know that people's first impression of me usually is, okay, like super glam too much. But I just knew that within a couple minutes, people always warm up to me. So it's just my life. It's how I am. It's how I've always been trying to change that. It doesn't make any sense going into the game.

So I just had no choice but to be confident myself and my ability to make people warm up to me. But apparently the confidence didn't rub a lot of people the right way. Again, the phrase I never want to hear ever in my life ever again, rubbing people. the wrong way. It's all the people said about me. Really? Oh, my God. Yeah. She's running people the wrong way. Oh, yeah. They did say that. Okay, specifically what? Yeah, and why did... Well, the girls seemed to kind of like turn on you and I, they tried to make it like, like, oh, Taylor's just trying to like do this with the guys. But I

think you can just get along with guys and you can get along with girls. And sometimes that intimidates people, especially, you're intimidated by, I kind of think of it as walking into the bachelor mansion. You're like, we're all here to date the same guy. This is awkward. and you're sizing yourself up to everyone else, which is sad, but you can't help but do it. I feel like you guys all went into the house, and the guys are probably like, well, who's the most jacked?

They're going to win the, like, physical competitions, and then, well, Taylor's stunning, but she's also can hang with the guys, and it's intimidating. But for some reason, instead of just admitting that, they turn on you and want to try and send you home instead, which jokes on them, but... Taylor's karma.

But, I mean, they really did turn on you right away, all the girls in the house. You know, there were people that told me now that I've made amends with some, I've tended to make amends with some of them. But they've said from the second that you walked into the house and walked across the grass, I knew that I didn't want to be with you or didn't want to. I knew you were bad news. But you're not.

Not at all. It was really just very overwhelming the instant animosity people had about me, which is disappointing. It felt probably isolating. Oh. Well, it's already isolating enough being in the Big Brother House, I can imagine. It is. It is.

With that. Yeah. I mean, there were times where. I was laying in that bed just looking up. It was probably 1 o'clock in the afternoon. I'm like, okay, Taylor, get up, get out of this bed. You have to talk to people. But it was very isolating.

And then the attacks, they got very personal. The microaggressions were just said out loud. They could make macroaggressions. There were, as a black woman, I didn't expect it to be so ugly for me in the house. But, like, it was very overt, the type of animosity that was being thrown my way. Wow. It was really, really surprised. That's so unfortunate that it was like that.

That sucks. And I feel like they all probably came around. now and they're like you know you know that was kind of the benefit of my game i think i wanted to make sure that as people were leaving the house especially jury members that they felt like they had a personal connection with me because that's just who i am i didn't want people walking out believing what they believed about me and that's why by the time they got to jury joseph really didn't have a lot of work to do on my behalf that's true yeah literally nothing i mean the only thing at most i'm doing is just reconfirming that taylor is the person that you're now seeing her to be totally so

there wasn't much to do and then obviously as someone who is probably if not the closest person to her the only thing i did was just share my experiences and like how much i care about her and what a good person she is and like how we were actually moving in the game because taylor you can see already started like on a crutch and any more support she could have gotten like let's say oh i'm working with taylor at some point i felt would have just crippled the both of us because people would have either put us both against each other or once picking up that she has support and momentum might make the target on her back bigger. Right.

So once we went to jury, the main thing I could only do is just, you know, emphasize the actual relationship I had with her in the house, which was a little surprising to some of the jurors. But she did such an amazing job with jury management that by the time they came, it was just like reconfirmation that she is the gray and amazing person that she is. Yeah. First of all, cute. Is he an angel?

You actually, I don't know. I hate saying this because I did love you. He was my favorite person on the whole show. How can he not be? No, he told us during one of our lockdowns, like he was an alternate, and that's when my jaw dropped. I was like, how? Yeah. You are the center of the show.

I'm really not. Don't lie to me. National treasure. Taylor was someone that I always liked you because I like when women are confident and they walk in and they know who they are, and you always were that. Thank you. And then just got better through the whole season in my eyes. and then Joseph I was always like your little things that you would come out of your mouth and you're always just so pleasant and you're like this heavy and everything you did I was like even Jason when he watched like he'd come in and out and I was watching he'd be like that guy's funny

I really do appreciate that a lot of people got my humor what's funny is I I really forgot a lot of the times that I was under a camera in a microscope because like you know in my professional life is like an attorney I really hide that goofy side. So I think if I would have realized all of America is watching me more often than not, I might have been a little bit more reserved and less joking. No, that's why America loves you. I'm so happy. The same reason, like, you know, it's nice for you to go to jury and, you know, you don't have to build those relationships because you already did.

And then the jury can look and be like, well, she also got America's favorite player. So, like, clearly she's, you know, not who you thought I was. Right. Exactly. It's not like people are watching being like, yes, she did this. No, people are watching being like, screw you guys.

She's being the real one here. And it was, that must have been very validating to know like, hey, thank you because I really was just being who I am. And I was playing this game as true to myself as I could be. Oh, you crushed it. Thank you. And it's like you just,

you have no idea because when you are that isolated and when so many people are saying, well, I heard you said this and I heard you said this. And like, okay, you want to say, no, I didn't say those things. Yeah. But sometimes we, you know, how hardest, remember everything you said over the course

of 82, 83 days? Right. Come on. But that's why I get confused when you guys do the competitions where it's like on day this. Oh, that's good I wasn't there. I don't understand how you guys remember what happened in the house on all these days. I'm always like, do you guys take notes? No, there's no pens or paper allowed in the house.

You can't literally, we had to walk outside the house. And the second I picked up a pen, I was like, what is writing? Yeah. What is the sensation? No, it's, um, you remember. the day that you moved in. Yeah. And then you count to the next, the first eviction night.

Okay. So it's usually about seven days. Yeah. And then it's, everything is in increments of a week. So you can piece together from that first week, how many days things happen from there. Okay.

Oh, that would throw me. Yeah. I feel like I was in the twilight zone. Do you have, all the days blend in with each other at that point. Unless you're like, keep it, well, you're not seeing it. And you're like going to bed at eight in the morning. And there's no, there's only one clock on the microwave.

There's no dates. keeping track. So it really is the twilight zone. I mean, I barely remembered where I left my water bottle and what I ate that day. So I don't know. That competition was just not for me. That was going to be my selling point if I stayed longer. I was like, if you want to win the last HOH is like bring your boy because I don't even know what I ate yesterday. Bring the lawyer. Yeah. You didn't tell people that you were a lawyer going in there, right? You just said you were a trainer. Yeah, yeah. I definitely, which was still true. I mean, it was definitely difficult maintaining that it wasn't a lie, but it was definitely hiding that aspect of my life because

it's such a huge part of who I am. But I don't think it would have complimented my game if people would have known I was an attorney early. What kind of lawyer are you? So I just started my legal career. I was working in, I did appellate work. I worked in-house counsel for FPL. And then lastly, right before going in the house, I was doing personal injury, hoping to tailor towards medical malpractice. Oh, nice. Which I clocked. I will say he revealed it on finale.

night and you can hear my microphone very faintly in the back he stands up and says like oh i'm a lawyer and i said what personal injury yeah she hit it yeah immediately how just he's giving personal injury lawyer by yeah even though i was trying to hide personal injury lawyer by him i'm just like oh i see exactly who you are yeah that's awesome hilarious okay i'm so happy that you two are doing whatever you're doing you're dating you're taking it slow you're obviously cute as hell together because when you left the house obviously they all tried to throw you under the bus but you always kind of believed that that that wasn't adding up like that they were trying to you know something wasn't right something wasn't right because you knew who joseph was to his core you know who

taylor is to her core and when you left did you have any idea that everyone was going to throw you under the bus and try and turn your game around to help them so i definitely thought it if that is why a lot of me is devastated in the yard is once it comes, it's made clear to me that I'm not going to get a chance to offer closure to the other house guests to conclude my game, to say goodbye, to hug everyone. That's what's really weighing heavy on me. Yeah, no kidding. I told Turner right before leaving the yard, I said one time me and him are laying on the hammock and I'm like, Turner, please, the one thing I'm going to ask for you, you're going back in this house no matter what. Please just save the relationships that I made. Like if there's any way you can

too. Yeah. I was like, please just let, please let everyone know I didn't betray them and to save the relationships that I made. Yeah. Apparently that wasn't. That's the first time hearing that. Yeah. I said that to Turner in the hammock. Yeah, I was like, just let everyone know I didn't betray them. And he didn't do it. To maintain my relationships. Yeah. And I mean, I still have to watch a show and see what was said. You lived it. So obviously, you know what the rhetoric was. But in the yard, I initially was trying my best to protect Kyle and Turner, my line. members. The second I'm betrayed and the rhetoric is pushed like the narrative is that Joseph Monty and Taylor which was true are so close that if you put him back in the house he's going to have his bromance and his showmance

and you're done. And which is true. Yeah. Very fair. Very fair. That's why I wasn't even mad when I was leaving from a game standpoint. I was like that was a very fair move for someone going against me totally. But which is I do get that's why I had such a, they had

all the incentive to go back in the house and be like, hey, like to Taylor and Monty, for example, like your best friend, your bromance, showmance, whatever be it, he was a good guy. He started off extremely loyal to you guys, so we sent him home. Like, that's not going to look good. So I definitely assume that my story, my game that week in the yard, the truth wasn't fully going to be sent out. And that was my concern is that maybe they might fall to that narrative or think that you know my i went in there initially trying to betray them my whole game was self preservation the moments that was shared was all fake it was all game that was my biggest concern so walking out of the house actually you'll i almost pause quickly because i know there's somewhere

in the house and i look at the memory yeah i saw that yeah and there's like a quick pause but i know like julie and big brother is not going to be happy but i was really close going to yell like i tried or something. I was so close. What a moment. Yeah, I was so close. Yeah, just to let them know. I mean, everything.

He's such a rule follower. Oh. No. What? They yelled at me all the time. But out of respect for the game, that's how it was supposed to be played. There was also that anticipation of not knowing. So I was like, if I did yell and they knew I was going home, it would ruin the game.

And I will definitely respect the game, which is another reason, like, you know, it killed me. in my last couple of days to try to distance myself from Monty and Taylor specifically because that was their biggest concerns was my relationship with them it killed me to do that but out of respect for the game

I was like I just can't lay down and die and I did it for them as well because I was like if I don't go back in that house I let the after party go back in they're gonna become the final four they're gonna try and make it towards the end so I was like Joseph even if you don't want to do it for yourself do it to protect them

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in all states and situations. Did you guys really spend that whole time outside? Yeah. the whole time outside directly in the sun yeah it was insane it was truly insane yeah it was definitely a unique very very unique twist we would joke all the time and be like i would say all the time to the cameras like i signed up for big brother not survivor so no kidding uh which hilariously enough i'm not saying that was anything like what survivor goes through but when you sign up for big brother you think of the house right yeah AC um you know what did you where did you go to the bathroom uh they installed these porta potties that would break consistently and so they had to build a DR room outside. Yeah. So the AC, yeah, oh my God, screw that backdrop.

Did he say that you're like? Yeah, someone mentioned that to me. Apparently they, I didn't know they did that one. I thought that wasn't going to get aired or anything, but that was a genuine reaction. I walked in and was like, come on, guys. Like, I get it. Like a shitty beach to go with the backdrop. Like, what?

You're like, not the sunset backdrop. Oh, that's funny that made it. And that room was so cold, but the AC for the fake DR was on top of our port-a-potties, and it leaked. So it would leak onto the port-a-potties. So the port-a-potties were constantly breaking. The port-a-a-oldies are getting slapped by the sun all day, so it would, like, get really hot in there. It was just gross. And their shower, you know, the shower that's in the Big Brother backyard.

That was their shower. They just put, like, a little wooden thing around it. It's cold water. That's all it is. It's like, it's a shower that you take before you get in the pool. Why did, why did they do that to only, like, I guess half of you had to because where else are you going to go? But that was, that's a plan in their mind. That was a.

Yeah. Dyerfest strategic. And the hilarious part about Dyerfest is I actually in law school had to do a paper on a spinoff. A fire fest. Yeah. He did a spinoff of Fire Fest. And it was basically like the Dyerfest situation. I had to write a whole paper on it.

So when I walked in and saw they did a spin off of Fire Fest, I was like, oh my God, why does this keep falling? No kidding. No kidding. Do they give you guys like the shitty sandwiches too? Oh, yeah. We had only bologna sandwiches, peanut butter and jelly.

Oh, I love peanut jelly. Beanie weenie? Beanie weenie. What the hell is a beanie weenie? I don't know. I was a VIP. Yeah, they were like eating pizza and drinking beer inside.

Yeah, she can't relate. And we would hear them laughing and stuff and I'd be like... No. No, I felt so bad. Okay, every morning and night, I would go to the Blast shield and I would literally stick my hand out

and be like, I hope you guys are okay. I had stomach problems, so I was just hoping Joseph would come back. I would sit next to it a lot just to try and hear them, like to see what's going on or to try and yell something. But obviously you have to respect the game. You can't talk to them. But it was definitely a unique experience. The food situation sucked because I eat.

Oh, my God. You guys don't even know. I eat so much and I have a high protein intake. I did not know there was like a flavored powder in the back of this storage. No. So I was eating like this shitty-tasting soybean one, and I kept making this thing. They called the mud cup. It was so disgusting.

I had to eat it. And they would all look at me and be like, your dedication is ridiculous. Like, screw the protein intake. And I was like, I got to put it down. It was like the nastiest thing in the entire world. They literally would call it Joseph's mud cup. But you literally, like, well, you made the same thing. And we were chained together for skin fancy.

Yeah, but that one didn't. That looked like a mud cup, but it tasted good. That was like my coffee. It was a science experiment. He would take coffee and put protein. protein powder, vitamin supplement, like two more protein powders. And I kid you not, no, no, no, it all goes to the same place. It would bubble.

It would bubble. Because it's hot. The coffee's hot. No, coffee should not be bubbling with powders. It's not a science experiment, Joseph. I had to make do with what I had in the house. I was limited. Well, yeah, especially when, I mean, when you do the have and the have-nots thing, like that I've

heard because I force friendships on. I wouldn't know. I don't know what that is. Have you never, you were never one. She was not. You know, Taylor's karma really came back Because the first two weeks were bad But then she started to get

Yeah, I got a groove Yeah, you got a little groove Because she skipped the half-knots She went into Brochella You know, then wins the game Oh my gosh Was a have and have-nots Oh my gosh

Well, he was a have-nots So if you're a have-not You have to sleep in like The shittiest room Like sometimes they have like spikes on the bed And like different Floaties There are no beds

These were just floaties Like you had to sleep on pool floaties in a very cold room. You could only eat slop for a whole week. Slop is oatmeal and a protein powder and a vitamin supplement mixed together. That's worse than prison. It's disgusting. You get better food in prison.

No, you do. Yeah, no, that definitely sucked. And I started it on the first week. So that's why I gave a lot of credit to anyone who did it because we walked in and we volunteered because I was like, all right, whatever. Like, it's hard for everyone here. It's part of the game. Oh, no, no.

You volunteer so that you don't go on the block the first week. Yeah. I don't, okay, again, I'm not that familiar with like, I'm going to be completely honest. I knew what a have-not was, but I didn't, like, fully know exactly the benefit. Yeah. Yeah, no, I really didn't know, like, oh, this is a strategy so you don't go. I just saw it was such a bad thing.

Again, like, my, as an alternate, I know what Big Brother is. I've watched a couple seasons, but I'm not, I wasn't deep diving like, oh, I'm going on the show. Like, so I didn't do my background check and research like the rest of them did because there was a huge possibility that I didn't go on. I watched the last season and then, you know, guys. a little familiarity with it, but I really volunteered, apparently everyone's like, you know you do have not for first week, because then it keeps you from going on the

block, and I was like, you strategize it, and I was like, in my mind, I was like, okay, you know, no one really wants to do this, whatever, like, how bad can it be? So I throw my hand up and I'm like other people are volunteering. And then you realize how bad it can be. Oh, I 100% realize how bad it can be. I think I laughed later in the D.R. I was like, oh, God, I don't know what I signed up for. So then you obviously

didn't know the track record of the showmances. No. Still trying to dig back into the relationship. But you didn't know that showmances like don't usually go far? No. I mean, that was my assumption. Not from like a history of Big Brother. Like obviously the only reason I felt it is the second Taylor and I start to spark,

I can see the concern with other leftovers or within the house. And I'm like, okay. Yeah. And then obviously, you know, Kyle and Alyssa were already a showmance and I saw the complications that was arising through that. So that was just like a personal thing. That wasn't like a, you know, I really did not come in here with like,

oh, these are big brother rules and like I got to follow these big brother rules. But when did the spark happen initially? Is it when we saw it? When did you guys? Yeah, when did you see it? Oh, yeah, I guess you haven't. You're watching it now back on your Instagram lives,

which is so fun because you guys are, I'm literally watching it like with you watching it for the first time. I'm like, that's so funny. Was it my HOH? Maybe. Were we chained together? Or was it before?

I think it was before that. I mean, we were definitely sparking before we were chained together. Were you just trying to like avoid the spark and like keep it on the deal? Or were you like, I know you know. I know. Like, were you like, I like you? I think it's all the above. I mean, so for the longest time, you know, outside of Brittany and Joseph was the closest friend that I had in the house.

Like there were not people who were. Brittany and I were connected very early in the game from like day one, two, three. Yeah. Joseph was the first person outside of that to reach out and want to. to be my friend. So, yeah, you were, you went out of your way. You were one of the only people. Yeah.

And you, like, genuinely cared about Taylor's feelings. Yeah, I felt really bad once I realized, like, I was, and again, like, never, ignorance is not bliss. Like, I had a lot of hiccups in the game due to my unfamiliarity, and how things should go. But my initial strategy was just kind of try to get to know everybody, but I had a connection with Monty immediately, pooch as well. And so, like, that's why there's a lot of. In those first two weeks, I'm not initially getting to know Taylor.

Yeah. So I'm just kind of doing my own thing, trying to get to know other people in the house. And, like, obviously, where she stood in the house, like, it was difficult to try and get to know her because with every conversation, it was like, are they working together? I think the one time you, like, pull me into the car room and say, I need a friend. Like, I was, it was like, what's going on? Were you guys talking game? Why are you talking? It was really aggressive for him. Gosh, everyone must be so paranoid in that house, no matter who you're talking to or what you're doing.

Who stays up late, who goes to bed? Everyone's probably like, what are they doing? What are they plotting? What are they talking about? Who's an alliance? Even before the leftovers formed, I would, you know, I had a hard time going to sleep, but I would get in the bed and the lights would shut off. But I heard maybe the week before or just like the early week before the leftovers formed,

I knew all those guys were upstairs in the HOA room and they would walk down the stairs on like a whole bunch of herd of elephants. And I was like, okay, guy, guy, guy, guy, guy. She was very perceptive of the house. I would catch her a couple times. Like, she would be, I would walk by and she would be completely up. and I'd look at her and she'd look at me. Yep.

And I was like, I'm, yeah, it's both of us noting. Like, I was like, okay, so you know what I was just doing. I know, you know what I was just doing. I was like, I see you. I would walk by and be like, I see you too. That's so funny. I always wonder how you don't know what alliances are forming in the house. I'm always like, they must have known about this alliance or they must have,

but some people really don't. Yeah, you. I didn't know about the pound. Right. Well, the pound branches out to the leftover. It's fair enough. And I didn't know about you, Michael and Brittany. Oh, but didn't you expose us.

outside? That was from the school yard pick. I love for it. And I have a huge justification for that. Apparently the edit doesn't show it, but when Michael

picks his order of it's Jasmine first is the obvious target. Yeah. And then Brittany Taylor, in the yard, I'm constantly interrogated about that relationship.

Like, you know, when they're like, oh, so in other words, a lot of what Terence tells me is sell to me, Joseph, why I would bring you over Kyle. Yeah. And he's like, I have to face your bromance showmance, which is Monty and Taylor.

I have obviously Taylor working with Michael and Brittany, like, they've made that extremely clear. So, like, that is information is already out there. I didn't say, oh, Michael, Brittany, and Taylor are working together. And everyone was like, oh, my God, since when? Like, I was already getting badgered about the fact that these are the people who are aligned together. What can you do for us over them? Yeah. So this is where I have to try and distance myself and try and get back in the house.

But obviously they knew there was no shot. If I came back in there, everyone knew where I was going. That's very true. Yeah, that's what we said that watching at home. Yeah. It's like you couldn't. Yeah, there was literally, I was in an absolute headlock. Yeah.

There was nothing for me to do. And part of the times I would say in the DR is like I, like even if I get back in there, like what's the benefit? Let's say Taylor, Monty, Michael and Brittany and them don't want to work. with me again. I'm like, what? Even though we had a final five, final three for me, waiting for him. Yeah. And I, because keep in mind in the yard, I have no idea what I'm walking

into. I'm like, they could have locked in a final four and then expect were a final four. So I was like, whatever chaos awaits for me, honestly, I don't even care because I don't want to go against, like, the people I care about. Because I don't know whether they want to work with me or not. Right. So much to think about. Your brain's

Yeah, it was racked. It was going all over the place because one, I'm thinking, like, how can I get back in this house? and get reunited with, you know, the people I really care about. How can I get out of this yard? What if I get out of this yard and they're not waiting for me or they're in a different Final Four? So there's like a lot of things to, you know, balance throughout it.

But at the end of the day, I knew my game was dead. Like, there was almost nothing to do. I would hate that feeling of knowing like there's just nothing left. Yeah, I just thought of this. But when I was doing Dancing with the Stars, I was on a CBS lot and I thought it was the same lot as Big Brother. Were you on the one by the Grove? Yeah.

So I go around the CBS, I go in, like, yelling, like, people's names from the show. Oh, my God. Whoa. I was just, like, a psycho person, like, driving around yelling people's names. Like, no, but so when, like, if there are outside interferences, like, we don't hear it. There's just automatically, like, a big blaring, blaring sound that will go off. Like, don't mess with the game because we won't hear it. They're prepared to make sure that we don't.

I bet. I guess that it would have. They had every precaution. Like, for me in the yard, like, there was no shot anyone could get through the precaution. measures that they they put in play so that no one could talk to me. Oh, because I hear, I get a lot of interview questions about, did you hear the wall

yeller? Did you hear this? One thing almost slipped through but they are very good at making sure nothing will get seen or heard and they took every measure possible to do so. I would have been like cuffed.

Yes, actually, yeah. Wow. Oh, that's crazy. What almost slipped? Someone almost said something? Someone was, there was a wall yeller. I think Turner's already like acknowledged it. So there was someone who yelled, but they blasted, um, an audio and they will not shut the audio off and they'll make sure it stays on. Oh, no, it's like, it's like, it's like an alarm. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

It's so high pitch, nothing gets through it. Like, it's blaring in your ears. Like, you feel your eardrums and your heart shaking. That just shows how legit that game is. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I have to give us okay.

You're a therapist. I truly can't imagine. I just pour some wine in response to that. Yeah. Well, I just can't imagine because I felt isolated on the freaking bachelorette, but you still like, you know. Well, you go outside and you do fun things. Yeah, you do things.

Our outside is literally a backyard that we have access to maybe three days out of the week. And even when Dyerfest was happening, like, I didn't come. I didn't get sunlight. I didn't get fresh air until, I think it was 12 days that we were inside. I mean, that really affects a person. Yeah. I have to bring it up because it happened and we're going to get through it. And I even saw when I watched you guys on live and something, Monty came in the diary room.

It said that you both are like, so you had a brief fling with Monty, but that house makes you do crazy things. You guys had like a bond the three of you. Yeah. You two had a showmance. Joseph left. Taylor had a little fling with Monty. Did they tell you about that when you were in the jury? Or did you find out in that moment when you were sitting there in the audience?

Well, no, not on jury on finale night. Someone said something, right? So Alyssa came into the jury house and she made a comment that Monty and Taylor are probably sharing a bed. And so that didn't confirm or deny anything to me. Yeah. Do you sleep at each other's bed? Yeah, we do. Yeah, I see you know.

And personally, I mean, I didn't leave the house. I did not leave the house telling Taylor, like, you know, we're in a relationship. We made it clear. We acted on anything. So she is definitely free to do whatever she wants. So I made it clear. And I think I said when they were interviewing, I'm like, that's their business. Like, you know, and I'm like, they're both free to act however they want.

I will love and support both of them no matter what. So nice. I would be like, yeah. Yeah, I think they were really worried for my reaction to that. But, I mean, that wasn't any confirmation, any denial. Again, I'm the type of person. I need the information to be presented to me before I react to something. It's a giving lawyer.

That is a giving lawyer. And even then, even if someone would have told me they started a showman's, I would have still waited until I talked to both Taylor and Monty before I gave a reaction. Wow. Also, strong word. Or, yeah, whatever that was. And you had time to talk to the plaintiff before this happened. Right?

Or the defendant. It was very brief, but what was that? Was it just like I'm lonely and... Do you know how many days I had to go in that house without any physical time? Yeah, but that's what I'm thinking, too. I'm like, yeah, whatever. And then when... And on top of that, I'm thinking that the one person that I really confide in completely threw me under the bus.

Yeah. So I think that there's nothing there. I'm horny as shit. Yeah. If it's there and it feels like we're both consenting... Yeah, of course you need consent. We're consenting a job. dolls were both horny, like, sure.

Yeah, why not? I mean, to be completely honest, well, yeah, I mean, I feel like you kind of broke that barrier for not being ashamed to do that. So, thank you. I love that. I love that I'm not person. No, really. I mean, it was, it was a concern. Like, I didn't masturbate at all in the house. You didn't?

No, it just, I know there would have been some, like, weird clip or something, but I just didn't want to go through it. Yeah. But to, like, having sex, I think everybody in the house is concerned about, like, what's going to happen? What if I really need it? of what if it happens on camera, what does that look like? And, yeah, I was concerned about what that would mean for my reputation,

for all the relationships, friendships, but, yeah, I'm not going to lie. I did think about you. And I was like, if Caitlin could have done this unapologetically, why should I be afraid of doing this? Like, I'm not afraid of whatever slut shame is going to come my way, because look at what you've been able to do. Oh, okay. And you know what? That's so nice. Yes, you were.

And I'm still getting it, of course. What? Oh, every day it's, oh, she slept her way at the top. She slept away to finale. yeah exactly that makes me mad oh it will i mean the tide will turn though and you'll be celebrated i'm hoping at some point just like it was for you i am it's not overwhelming it's enough but it's not overwhelming people still have those perceptions but it was not the dominant narrative like people don't look at my win and say like she's way to the end it's my game you deserved the hell out of that win

that speech was the best speech i've ever heard in big brother history everything about it was so deserved and thank you for saying that that is that honest i'm like props where props are Thank you. I appreciate that. And if Monty, well, I just feel like at the end, I was like, please, I thought everyone was going to somehow go for Monty. They're like, oh, he's physical and this and he did this. And I was like, please, please. Every key that was turning, I was like, yes, yes. Everyone's little speech that they gave ahead. I was like, I think I might have this. Did you think you had it when you were sitting next to Monty? No. Well, before I gave my speech and before you all put your keys in. And I was like, that was it. That was my effort. I hope that my experience in this game and the way that I've played this game will resonate. Because I really thought, you know, like lawyers a lot of time, you look at hard facts.

And I thought that HOA wins, comp wins. Those are going to outweigh everything. But no, I just had to reshift the narrative. And you did. I freaking love that. That's the thing. And in the jury, we were, I think Big Brother, like, it's constantly emphasizing, oh, the competition wins. And I said this at the roundtable.

I was like, what is the point of winning the competition? It's to gain power. It's to help your social game in the house. I was like the fact that she didn't win as many competitions as the other people. And she's sitting there to me as someone who is prioritizing social game is far more impressive. Because she doesn't need to win the power. A lot of my strategy personally was let someone else win the power and then see how I can influence it. And she was doing the same thing and even better.

So me personally, I was just like, you know, the fact that. No one is here to look at just the competition wins. I think that's just an easy celebratory matter. And no way will I steal people like, you know, Michael or Janelle who have an amazing competition. It is not easy. But I think what she did, starting the way she did and ending the way she did, that is, to me, personally, far more impressive and worthy of taking the win. So that was all that needed to be highlighted, which she did.

And I think, fortunately, all the other house guests saw it as well. I appreciate that. And I also think, you know, it's a 90 plus or minus day game. That would not be the case if it were only a physical competition game. Right. It would be a 28-day game, a month, maybe two months. That's true. Three months of your life.

I mean, psychological warfare. Psychological warfare. It is a psychological game. So you have to prioritize the things outside of competition wins just as much as you do. It's a social experiment. So the social aspect for me is what weighed the heaviest. And out of everyone in the house, I think. think Taylor was playing the best.

I agree. I agree. And you were physically incredible, too, and a lot of them, too. Even if it, like you said, it's not like you just, you don't have to win all them to show your strength. Do they let you drink? Because I saw you guys having some wine and beer sometimes. And I thought that was taken away.

So wine and beer only, no hard liquor. Wine and beer. I can still get fucked up on some wine. Yes, you can. Especially when you're in that house for 70-some, 90-some days. It'll hit you real hard. Why do you take liquor out? Some bad experience?

Yeah. Yeah, there was some really bad experience. He's got a little rowdy out there. Yeah, got it. But so you got unlimited wine and beer or just? Oh, no, no, no. On special occasions or a random Wednesday, I said it was the chaos button that they would hit. Yeah.

So whenever we get an audio would play and say, house guests, please check the storage room. We'd all go, oh, my God, it's happening. And it would be like one bottle of white, one bottle of red, and maybe six beers. No way. For 16 house guests, 15 in the beginning. Oh, that sounds like. And we would get generally about the same. amount as the people would dwindle

down. So by the time it got like Final Five, Final Four. Oh, yeah. You're like, oh, nice. Yeah, and then you're drinking less for a longer amount of time. It really hits you. Yeah, no kidding. A single bottle of wine. Let's go. Now I get where the brief showmans came into play. I love both of your attitudes about it

because you're like, look, this is how I was feeling at that time. You try and do it. And see how you feel. And I love how, Joseph, you're like, you know what? I hold love and respect. and we weren't we weren't you know committed and yeah you guys weren't a couple we're not yeah and that's honestly taylor's business and no one should be judging or getting involved between something that you know taylor and monte both consented to do so let alone me that that is literally king and queen i'm upset thank you uh but that is literally why you know finale i have my hesitations

in approaching her because that also confirmed to me that taylor might have a warped perception of me because I was like oh you know like Michael told me in jury he was like Taylor he was like I don't know if she's mad at you but she did tell me she has words for you on finale night and I was like I yeah yeah and I did say that because I really did as much as I haven't been hot about it you you guys not the person I know he always said don't lose yourself to the game but I also know what it's like to be in the position that you're in for a longer amount of time but I've said it many times before I wouldn't have done what I did had I known that he had not betrayed me the wait, I thought. Right. Yeah. That's just a true. All right, quick break. I just wanted to let you know

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You just rock. If I was in that house, I would literally everyone. So it's 24 hours cameras so America can watch 24-7. Yeah, I'd be given BJ. Like, I would just save it for the only fans. Yeah.

That's what they would say. Save it for the, yeah. We would. Business-minded. Yes. That's true. You can make some shit loads of money on there. You know what?

Good point. Yeah. We would always joke when we would do like yoga or certain poses or like be in a funny situation. Did you guys see that? Like a little rotation thingy I got on? Yes. Yeah, we would literally joke.

They would be like, what's Paramount Plus charging? Oh, no. We should match it on an only thing. No, listen, y'all heard of Netflix and Chill. I'm calling this Pear and Mount. Oh, yeah. She did start that. Paramount.

Paramount. I remember when we were talking about this. I was like, oh, my God, you just started something. That's good. I like that. And you got good content on Paramount Plus. Yeah. Those live feeds are pretty interesting.

Oh my gosh. Do you guys have any confessions that came from like live feeds that maybe some of us didn't see like people. I'm sure the slop makes you fart everywhere. But like things that were like embarrassing that happened that we didn't see that you're like, oh my gosh, thank God that's in there. Well, I guess you don't know fully. We don't know. Well, I mean, you just assume whenever the live feeds, I mean, the cameras are all over. What's the worst thing you've seen about yourself online that was on the live feeds where you're like, oh my gosh. Just like when I'm, oh my God, the fact that they know how I eat bread and sting like tomatoes and stuff like that, like I would have been a little bit more etiquette with my eating. No. No, it's why we're looking. I was just scarfing everything and I would have been a little bit more professional in that aspect. Like I'm like half the conversation that was just eating a piece of bread. We love a relatable man. Yeah, but he's still to this day, he's just eating a piece of bread.

Like we went on to do another interview last night and he was like, all right. Yeah, I'm really a business interview all day. Some brad. Yeah, just munching down on it. There was nothing specifically. There's some funny or, you know, some zoom-ins that I did not expect. They were zooming in. Oh, really?

Yeah, like when I'm working out or like stretching, I was like, okay. He got the slope. Oh, yeah. The camera loved the ball. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I do remember one.

So I would, I loved that hammock and I loved my graves, my little sunglasses. Yes. So I would go over there to be unbothered. which really bothered some people. Yeah. But like a queen. I would do that. I'd love to do her.

She'd put her heels on, grab her grapes, and just like the whole house would be in an uproar after like a blind side or something. And she'd get her grapes and everything. And I'd be like, look. I was like, I love this. Also, I would go to the hammock. And, okay, so I, before move in, did like a massive, like, super shave. And I never shave my bikini line or anything like that.

Hardcore waxer. Yeah. But I just didn't have time to do it before. I got kidnapped and taken away to my brother. So night before I move in, I'm like super shaving, super clean, no hair anywhere. I did not shave anything from that point until, I mean, still. Anyway, so I got really nervous putting on a swimsuit and going outside because I didn't know if I'd have hair peaking out or anything.

And there were times where I would lay in the hammock and, you know, like, I'm laying in a hammock. My knees are up and like going to spread a little bit. Yeah. And I could just like feel some breeze and some movement. And I was like, oh my God. Like, I'm wearing denim shorts, and I think maybe I have pubic hair coming out. Oh, my God.

So, literally, I don't have any gifts or clips, like, coming my way. But there were times where I would literally put my hand over my crotch just to, like, spread out. You know how, like, you wear denim shorts and I would literally do that. And then I'd be like, now it looks like I'm touching myself. They're a little of a handbook outside. So I would just, I hope, I hope that, what do they call them, Skippy? Oh, yeah. They call the camera operator Skippy because they would skip over there.

things all the time. So I hope Skippy never caught me fixing my bikini. But what, but in the, like you could shave there. Yeah, you could shave, but I just, I get way too many ingrown hairs from shaving. Oh, I feel that. Yeah. I, laser hair. I got it as part of my pageant package when I won. So I did laser hair removal. Waxine and

laser is my favorite. Yes. How long? Does it last forever? Well, laser hair? It just makes it finer. It like barely grows back, but you have to go like 10 times and then like a year and then 10 times. It's, but it's so worth it up. Yeah. It's freaking hard being beautiful. My life is so difficult. Yeah, it's so hard.

Do you have something embarrassing that happened to you? Honestly, nothing that I've seen. I'm sure there's something out there because I'm, I embarrass myself all the time, so I'm honestly numb to it. There's very rarely something. Yeah, they could show me and I'd be like, damn, they got me there. Majority of it, I'd be like, that's me. What do you want for me?

Just own it. Yeah, I would have just owned it. Fortunately, I have not been brought to my attention. Maybe they could have caught me naked somewhere. in the house like that was probably the hardest thing for me oh terrible i would forget like i was like i'm already half naked like my shirt's off so like when i was going to shower something i'm so used to like like i don't know who takes their clothes off in the shower yeah so i'm so used to entering the shower naked that a lot of times like i'm sure you could

catch you i'm holding my pants because i'm about to just fling them down and i'm like uh and i would look at the camera and be like uh you guys thought yeah i was like zoom out zoom out and i Crazy. There's probably someone on each camera watching you the entire time. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Well, that was my other thing. Like, I just, it became a joke. It's a certain point. I was like, my nipples have been out so many times. I'm so sorry. They're just, they've seen it all these people. I'm sure. If it's on the live, like, if someone's watching that, it's blurred out, or are they going to see? No, it's there. Oh, no, no, no, no. Yeah. If it's on the live, sure, there's like a five second delay between what's actually happening in the house and his life. You're the one. You'd be giving pornhub.com. Yeah. Yeah. There has to be people. who have done that. Oh, yeah. They usually... They don't, like, pan away or cut to another scene in the house to what I was told. Yes, I've seen it happen.

Okay. Who was it? Who was it? Was it Jess and Cody? Maybe. And they, like, shut that camera off and went to a different part of the house because otherwise it really is legitimately porn. Yes.

Someone told me that people like... So usually it's like you go under the covers and people try to be discreet in some aspect. I don't know what happened on the floaties, but let me not bring that up. What happened on the floaties? During you guys? No. No. What happened on the floaties? Oh, no. It's not my story. This is a Kyle and Alyssa. Oh, thank you. Okay. Producer has. All right. I mean, I know they were getting hot and heavy, but I don't remember about that. Okay. Okay. So, but somebody did tell me, someone in the house is a super fan told me that one season, people, like, went at it on top of the covers, like full body naked so that they knew the cameras would have to cut it by. That's what I would have done too That is pretty smart

Because if you're under the covers I guess you could get away With showing what's happening Because you're not actually seeing anything But if you're just like There's my butt-ass thing You can't show it Yeah

Oh my gosh America Yeah see I didn't know any of this And I'm like you know As much as I love the idea Of my family watching me engage And any of this I didn't know they pan away or cut off

I just thought like Oh they're going to zoom in So I'm out here being like, okay, I'm going to... You're extra caution. Joseph didn't kiss and cuddled, chained me for a whole week. Yeah, well, that's... Good guy, Joseph. Yeah, but that...

Being chained together for a week, probably... Oh, actually, it was 72 hours? It was, yeah, it was only like two days. And my thought process in that as well is, like, you know, obviously I don't think Taylor... Taylor and me were chained together. If something sparked out of us, I didn't want it to be because this girl is literally chained to me and forced to be in this bed with it. me. So I was like if I'm going to make a move

you're such a gentleman. I was like if I'm going to make a move or do something I want it to be on her own initiative and not. Chain free. Yeah, chain free and then the chains can get implemented. Yeah, we can get them in later. Yeah. Yeah, not by not by demand but by you know requests. By demand of her production. Yeah, so that was a lot of my thought process too is like you know I know

maybe that some people look at it as like oh this is an opportunity and I was really taking that opportunity to get to know her more and talk to her and everything um i just felt like you know i mean i didn't know i was going in the yard as well i was like hopefully i'm possibly going to make it towards the end of this game so i have a lot of time with this girl these things will happen naturally not when we're chained and no offense but like we both were in these stupid costumes yeah and this heavy ass accent it wasn't the sexiest like let's let's what was your skid accent again oh no i don't remember and i never want to do it ever again i literally told them in the d r i was like this is going to be so hard for me and they were like

what was our punishment if we forgot it was a penalty no penalty vote penalty vote no penalty no because we weren't on the block oh no way yeah no if you break things like that like it is at the risk of getting a penalty nomination so when you're given a punishment like you have to follow the rules yeah if you if you break your slop um guidelines when you're on slop if you have not it's at risk of getting a penalty nomination if you are given a punishment like if we did not do the skin and fancy stuff, risk of a penalty nomination. Wow. And, you know, they make it clear.

It's like, just give it your best effort. You can tell when someone's being a jackass, and mean, like, screw this about doing it. Did you get a deal with lays yet? They have DM'd me, and we have a meeting next week. Hell yeah. She was eating lays on every episode. Oh, my God, I love it.

Like, Whitney Houston, Dakota vocals, she would have a bag of lays. Yeah, that's what they say. I don't know. I just like salty snacks. Fair enough. Salty bitch. that's amazing okay so then you so you won amazing you won the cruise also are you taking joseph yes joseph is going on the cruise with me when are you guys gonna go we can go whenever as long as it's

before new year's eve you guys are gonna have to go like incognito like people are just gonna like it'll turn into like a meet and greet oh my god disney oh is it a Disney cruise no no no it's a it's a princess cruise how to princess yeah um addition for them they didn't take me oh that's It's okay, I wouldn't be here today If I went there, okay Well, so we went to Disneyland because we were Psychopaths. It was the first week outside of the house. And did they give you the VIP passes?

You had a little mouse ceteer showing you around So you don't have to wait lines. Pretty much. Yes and no. We didn't know that was a thing. We didn't know it was a thing, but also Brittany from last season is a big Disney girl. And she's got it. Big Buffalo Bills girl too.

Yes. So we had her taking care of us the whole time and it might have been better than one of the Disney cast members. So that was epic. She knew everything. But, that's awesome. Mind you, this is our first time around a lot of people in 82 days. And I was in a house with only three people.

You have a meltdown at Disney. Oh, yeah. It's so great to do. No, really. So, Brittany takes us in, and she takes us to the first roller coaster. And I'm not a roller coaster. I'm going to have to, like, Disney World, Disneyland Rollcoasters. But even then, in a normal world situation.

Yeah. I'm just getting out, like I'm in jail, just getting out to the real world. I'm going on a roller coaster. it's overstimulating there's water there's lights there's things sounds and I'm just like and packed with people pack the people so I'm on this roller coaster and I'm like this was not a good idea yeah we get off the roller coaster and literally like every five steps we took almost and it was sweet and endearing and we love being fans but it was it was a lot and I think only just because we just got out of the house like it didn't really hit me personally until the day was over and I realized I felt like I was hit by a train yeah and I think it was only because we just because then going forward like I love engaging and interacting with them but that's no matter what even if you love it it's your favorite thing in the world it's the most overwhelming thing yeah and overstimulating when you don't know how to deal with you this is overnight for you guys yeah you went from being you know

working your regular jobs to being on tv to not seeing anyone not even knowing if people liked you or not or whatever to then stepping out into freaking Disneyland like with hundreds of people stopping you every five seconds yeah it was really smart of us and it's funny because coming from the pageant world, being a title holder. I am used to people stopping me. It's exciting to make somebody happy for a short moment. Totally. But I had the crown and the sash on, and I could take that off and then be me at the end of it.

I was kind of looking busted that day. I was a little janky. And people just, like, knew automatically. Also, I had those stupid sunglasses on that I wore the whole time. Yeah, we had to give it away. Yeah. She's like, I had a bag of lays. No.

They were so, they're literally so perceptive. Like, I mean, the second we opened the door to the Uber, somebody immediately caught us and was like You're Taylor and Jessica Can we get a picture? We're like, sure, yeah. And we're walking so fast. It would be like brief moments we would pass a fan

and they would hit a U-turner and be like, I knew I recognized you. And I was like, oh. And obviously, you know, Taylor had her experiences with like, you know, interacting with fans or stuff. Me before this, I'm literally an average Joe. Like I was literally like, oh, yeah, of course I want a picture with me? Like, I don't know why you do, but okay, yeah.

Yeah, it is endearing and it is sweet and it is also very overwhelming and both feelings can exist. You're allowed to be overwhelmed while also being appreciative of everyone caring about who you are. Yeah. So what does moving forward now look like for the two of you? You're going on the cruise. You're in L.A. right now. You're doing the live things together. I know you're saying taking it slow, but you're going on a cruise together and you live together for a long time.

I'm like in the house and then I was like, so what is next for the two of you? You go first. Okay. Okay, okay, I'll go first. I'm engaged. Bringing a year. Saving the ears for Off the Vine. So for at least me personally, at least from a career standpoint, is obviously I have to go back to Florida, see my family, situate a lot of, I was so fresh and new into my legal career that I'm still going to see where I want to navigate through that.

But this experience has opened so many doors, so many opportunities. Honestly, the messages I get and how much I never thought I could. touch people's lives the way I did, whether it was through a fitness aspect. They said it was a humor aspect, just allowing them to laugh throughout the summer and their dark times or from, I got so many Middle Easterns who reached out to me, like, crying, like, moms telling me you don't know what you did for my kids and just, you know, being like, thank you for trying to shift the narrative for, you know, Middle Easterns in the media. And I'm like, that narrative alone is like what I just did, which I didn't know I was truly

doing on Big Brother. I want to keep doing. So that's definitely the next step for me. So however I can do that, whether it's going on another reality TV show or just maintaining. Amazing race. Is that happening? She keeps making fun of me for that. But hilariously, and let me put this disclaimer here.

Taylor is always the one late. She blames it on me, but always in the last, it's always in the last. I will say it's both of us, but always in the last minute, like that one minute before she's ready, I'm ready. Yeah. So it's always you, even here, even coming here. disclaimer okay that's why disclaimer so like we'll both watch each other and this is why it does not compliment

is like I'm like okay she's not ready and she'll be like okay he's not ready and then we're built and builds and build and build yeah we should have been there a network really it's so bad tell me why we went live on Instagram and this guy's just clowning on Instagram and I'm like okay well he's still going I'll just keep doing my makeup and I'll take my time with it we're literally an hour

behind schedule there's L like we're new to this whole LA lifestyle yeah so there's a lot of hiccups oh yeah anyway I'm fine I don't get stressed out at all when it happens Never. Me, never. Never. But in regards to Taylor and I together.

Amazing race. Yeah. If they offer. Hell yeah. I will ask if they would be more interested in Joseph or Michael. What? Disrespectful. Literally, I'm going to ask for Brittany then.

Yeah. We like options. Yeah. Please do it. You were saying. But you were saying, as to me and Taylor, go on. Not of both of us getting up on him. I know.

Look at me getting quick. corners um obviously you know taylor is very very important to me she holds a near and dear and close place in my heart so no matter what at minimum me and her and we both confirm this like we're going to be best friends forever and like obviously we have that spark so we just want to control that fire so it doesn't you know overtake or over control we dealt with such unique circumstances and the big brother house is such a unique experience that brushing into anything based on trauma bonding could not be healthy for either of us. It's like supercharged connection.

Yeah, and it is. And we're both fully aware of that. Yeah. And we just don't want to, you know, act on impulse rather than, you know, there's no reason for us to like ruin what we have. So we're just making sure that we cater to it accordingly. Slow burn. Yeah.

And you're still, he doesn't know. He doesn't know. It's okay. No what? She did a quote in the diary room about a slow burn. Oh. Yeah. The slow burn America did not once

Yeah I didn't even know that It was a good quote But that's smart That's I mean you still You're such a big part of each other's lives No matter what And you guys just went to

What was it Miss? USA You met Taylor's mom Yeah Her coaches her friends Everybody You got thrown into the fire You got three dogs

Yeah I got I had a quick interview real fast Like all these interviews are nothing I had mama hail I was literally like I had her coaches I was like, okay, okay, hit me. Yeah, you passed that test. That's pretty impressive.

But that's, I mean, the drama was off of you guys because it went crazy there at the people were walking off and things were rigged. Are you allowed to talk about that or no? I mean, you were there. I'm done with the organization. I can say whatever I want about it. Yeah, that's true.

Well, you were there because they were saying that the competition was rigged and women walked off the stage of Miss America or Miss USA. Yeah. So. Oh, my gosh. Scandaloso. Yeah.

Scandalo. I mean, people think that it was heavily favored. for Texas who won. A lot of the sponsors overlapped between her state sponsors and the national sponsors. And, you know,

I think there's always going to be people who feel like there's favoritism in that organization and I'm not going to downplay the girls who feel that way because there were

similar allegations when I competed last year. The girl that won last year was my best friend in the entire pageant and she deserved it. I'm not ever going to knock that down. So I know that the

director of Miss USA has now been suspended. You know, I experienced something separately. that happened last year, that eventually I will be willing to speak on. But outside of all these allegations and just craziness going on that's happened this year and last year, I just don't want that to overshadow the value that's happened in pageants for me. Because, you know, I mean, you've seen what pageant did for me.

That's just who I am. I was allowed to freely be exactly who I am. Yeah. And that, like, being in a pageant, being a title holder, gave me the platform to tell people, like, whatever you thought a pageant girl is, I just get to be who I am and I'm elevated to a level to show that. So I care about the girls than anything. That's awesome. I still get mad about the girls at the beginning of the season now. Yeah.

Well, that's what's really upsetting. It's like I won Ms. I won the ultimate girls' girl award. And people are out here saying, she's not a girl's girl. Like, what do you mean? Oh, my gosh. No, you're just a girl's and a guy's girl and any human people person, which is funny, because I'm the biggest introvert you'll ever meet in your life, too.

That's so funny. Extroverted introvert. It's called an ambivert. An ambivert. That's right. Same. Yeah. Wait, are you that too?

I'm an extrovert. Definitely an extrovert. I'm curious to see in like a couple of years if you still feel that way because I used to be the biggest extrovert until I went on TV and it turned me into an introvert. You're absolutely right. I have big like golden retriever energy. So like it's hard to. I definitely do get there.

Sometimes me and her will break away and actually both go recharge. I don't know if that's because, you know, I'm meeting my meter or. She's rubbing off on me. She's rubbing you the right way. Yeah, she is. Either way. She really is. But a lot of times, you know, I love so much just engaging.

I love being around, coming from a big family, it's just naturally what I know. So, but at this magnitude, sometimes I can definitely feel it. Oh, I'm like, oh, okay, maybe I should go recharge and then come right back. So. Yeah. and get that battery percentage up. Yeah. I feel that.

I have to do that too. I could talk to you guys forever and I have like a million more questions because I just want to know the back. Like I want to know the production side of things like how much they're telling you in the DR room. But I probably can't do that. I'm like, what time do you have cocktails?

No, thank you so much for being on and coming in. So good doing it in person. This is fun. Everything we've done has been virtual. Yes. This is really exciting. Oh, that's so fun. This was amazing.

Okay. Congratulations to you. And to the both of you. I'm so excited to see what's next. And you are going to get, like, let me help you negotiate a lays deal because that budget is big and they will give it to you. Yeah. I crave lays. I crave lays.

I'm a tourist. Classic only. Classic only. Really? Oh, yeah. You give me a flavor and I'll be like, no. I put them on my sandwiches. Oh, I do too.

I'm a side. Side girl. Oh, I love the barbecue ones. I love baked. Oh, who. I love baked. What? baked barbecue.

Oh, yes. Oh, my God. I love the big. She makes fun of me for it all the time. Like, the second someone gives her a laze gift in its baby. It's really awful. It's, I feel so bad because people, like, give me lays all the time now. If they're not original, I'll be like, thanks.

I will eat it. Salt and Vinegar. Woo! I love them. Okay, well, I'll call you for salt and vinegar. There we go. And I'll give you the barbecue bake. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay, and then let everyone know where they could follow you. Yes. So if you want to follow the winner of Big Brother's September 4 and America's favorite player, don't you want to be like a favorite, like America, be like America? And miss whatever and miss whatever. Miss. Miscongeniality, Mr. Michigan, USA, 2021, you know, just the title. What a cool resume.

Seriously. That's not so bad. But if you want to follow me on Instagram, my Instagram is the Taylor Mac, T-H-E-T-A-L-L-R-M-A-C-K. And if you want to follow me on Twitter. You're funny on Twitter. I'm a little, I'm a jackass on Twitter. I love it. I love it.

I love it. The jailer and Taylor stands, they're fun. They're hilarious. Oh, they're so funny. Yeah, I bet. But if you want to follow me on Twitter, it's T. McKenzie H. McKenzie's spelled M-A-C-K-E-N-Z-I-E.

Someone just tweeted me being like, get her on the pod. I'm like, she's-huh. I saw that. I was like, I'm coming. Don't worry about it. Taylor McKenzie Dickens Hale. Full name. Woo.

What a name. Wip my dick out and put that on a table. Wait. Literally. And you. All right, guys, well, I don't have as intensive of a resume. Oh, look at the apps out. This is just.

I'm sorry. You found him. There is. Found you. And I follow you. Thank you. Listen, Joseph 25. Joseph 25, because that's when I woke up.

So for me, guys, I don't have, I did not win Big Brother. I was on it. I was an alternate. Yeah, it was also the alternate. So if you want to follow an alternate who left pretty early in the game. But it's here. He loves bread. He made jury.

Yeah, I made jury. Well, if you want to follow your favorite personal trainer and lawyer, You can get me on Instagram at Abden, Joseph. So that's A-B-D-I-N, J-O-S-E-P-H, Twitter. Joseph Abden. So just, I don't know why I didn't do them all the same. So Twitter is Joseph Abden. Because you didn't know you're going to have a follow-A-V-E-N.

Yeah, I really didn't. And then TikTok and Snapchat is Joseph Abden, Esquire, ESQ, for the attorney. So there you go. The attorney on Snapchat. It was hilarious is the two apps where I'll probably be the biggest clown. I referenced that I'm an attorney. You know, don't need to follow me on TikTok. Yeah, what's your TikTok?

My TikTok is what is... Oh, it's the Taylor Mac that stands on my Instagram. Okay, see? My most popular TikTok is me getting a lap dance at Magic Mike Live. You want to come with me? Oh, fun. You guys can come on anytime you want on this podcast anytime I'm here. Oh, thank you so much.

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