Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Tom Schwartz | Behind the Breakups, the Bars & the Bravo Persona!

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

#848. Tom Schwartz is in the studio with Kaitlyn—opening up about life before Bravo, the messy truth behind Schwartz & Sandy’s, and where things actually stand with Sandoval. He talks dating post-divorce (would he go for another Katie?), the tattoo he’ll never remove, and why he still dreams of opening one more bar.They also dive into his secret acting dreams, current celeb crushes, and Kaitlyn drops what might be her hottest take yet: Grease 2 > Grease.If you’re LOVING this podcast, please follow and leave a rating and review below! PLUS, FOLLOW OUR PODCAST INSTAGRAM HERE!Thank you to our Sponsors! Check out these deals!Booking.com For the bookings you’ve dreamed of, list your property on Booking.com!Wayfair: Head to Wayfair.com right now to shop a huge outdoor selection! Wayfair. Every style. Every home.Progressive: Visit Progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance.iRestore: For a limited time only, OTV listeners are getting a HUGE discount on the iRestore Illumina Face Mask when you use code VINE at iRestore.com.EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS: (14:24) — How Tom and Tom Sandoval met and became roommates!(25:00) — The real status of Tom and Sandoval’s friendship today!(32:34) — Will Tom date another girl named Katie? Plus, does he blame Vanderpump for his divorce?(51:20) — The ultimate Grease debate — is Grease 2 actually better than Grease 1? Kaitlyn says yes!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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the world to me. Thank you. Now let's get into it. Hey everybody. Welcome to Off the Vine. I'm your host, Caitlin Bristow. And today we have Tom Schwartz on the podcast. We talk all about where him and Sandville stand to this day, what's happening with their businesses, his love life, his friendship with Katie. We basically go on a few tangents and it's just an entertaining conversation. We met. It was at Jason Derulo in like Florida. This is like, 10 years ago in Miami it must have been Miami I don't remember but I was wearing some a terrible outfit and you both you and other Tom came up to me I was with Sean after we got engaged on the bachelorette and you guys were like our wives we watch the show and I I knew

you were from a show but I didn't know what show yeah and I was so but now looking back I'm like oh my god I'll get like a 10 year photo memory do you not remember that I don't really yeah but I don't I want to be honest. No, be honest. I'm rifling through it right now. I'm going through the Rolodex. I'm wondering if I could. It was, you don't remember.

Okay, it was a Jason Derulo concert and the. In Florida. It was in, I want to say it was in like Orlando. No, maybe it was Miami. I don't remember. It was 10 years ago. It had to have been South Florida. The only concerts I've ever been to in Florida are in South Florida.

And it was outdoors and then we were like, it was like a thing. Like we got paid to be there and we all took a photo together. That was in San Diego. It was? Yeah, I was in San Diego. I was working with Hilton. Oh, yeah. It was at Hilton.

Yes, I remember now. Okay, I'm so glad we got there. I'll find the photo for when I post about this podcast, but I remember then now I'm obviously so close with Katie and I'm like, that's so funny the world in the last decade that I met you. You told me your wife was a fan of the show. Now, I mean, you guys are still friends, so that's nice. Yeah, we're buddies.

You are buddies. How does... We can get into that. I want to know how you stay friends. with them. By the way, cheers. Cheers. And you have your own podcast now. I do. Let's start with that. Detox retox. Why? Why? Tell me why? Um, well, honestly, it's my favorite medium. I, well, I guess this is we're retoxing, but I'd like to note, retox does not have negative connotations. Okay.

We're not, it's not self-harm. It's not toxic. It's just, um, living a little, treat yourself energy. Oh, right? I like that. Having a little fun. I do that. On detox, retox, we're not going to feel bad about feeling good. Yeah. Oh, there's my podcast voice. I know, I'm like, is your voice slowly but surely getting deeper? I try to just make it a little more buttery when I'm on

a podcast. It's pretty buttery. I should make it more buttery. I just, like, I like quack into the microphone. I'm like, ha! I like your voice. You do? It's, um, punchy. Oh, okay. And it's, I like it. Punchy. I think what I'm doing is overcompensating for seeing myself and becoming

neurotic for being on TV, 11 years. You know how it is. You see yourself. To see yourself, you hear yourself. Yeah. I don't mind my podcast voice, but my television voice, oh my God, nasally, not sexy. No, I feel that. I actually, when I have headphones on, I don't mind my voice. Actually, I like it.

And then when I hear it back, I hate it. Yeah, I can't listen to my episodes. I skim through them. I listen to the beginning and the end. I can't listen to mine because I realize how much I repeat myself and then I get mad at myself. That would make me neurotic, too. I'm, yeah. Do you have an aura ring?

I don't. Oh, okay. Yeah, don't do it. if you're that kind of person, it's like, like, if you had one and it told you your sleep hours and, like, how you need to move,

would you be crazy about that? I think I would start to lose my mind. Yeah, okay. I would become manic, I think. Maybe don't do that. This is nice. We're in the studio. We got some wine.

We just cheersed. This is nice, isn't it? By the way, I was out in my car scrolling because I got here earlier. Yeah. And when we cheersed, it just reminded me, we lost a great one. I think yesterday or maybe two days ago.

Who? George went, Norm from Cheers. Oh, did he pass? One of the most, he's like, everyone knows Norm. Oh, yeah. One of the most iconic shows ever. I would, listen, did you ever watch Cheers? I know it came out in like 82.

Well, I did because my parents did. Exactly. Yeah, should we pour one out for Norm? That's what I was thinking. Hey. Oh, well, into our mouths. Oh, okay, okay. Just because we're in the studio.

I don't know if that's sacrilegious. Not me. I was literally about to pour it onto the ground. That show was like such a cultural phenomenon. I don't, like, I was in, I was just being born when it came out, but like, what year were you born? 82. Oh, you were? Yeah, I was born in the 80s.

Well, so is I. Yeah. I'm turning 40 next month. Well, 40's the new 30. Is it? Yeah. I actually think, I keep saying 40s chic. I think I'm just trying to convince myself.

Can I tell you something before you move on? Please. When I first started, I was like, I don't even want to call it a podcast. Stacey, I love Stacy podcast one, by the way. Yeah. I was like, I was like, I want to call it a show. It's your show. It's your show.

Thank you. Okay. It doesn't have to be. It can be whatever you want it to be. The P word is just like, it's almost triggering to some people. But it's literally my favorite medium. I listen to no less than 40, 50 podcasts. What? What's your favorite podcast? Probably, it depends on the day and it depends on the genre.

But I really like 99% invisible. Oh, what's that about? It's about everything, all walks of life. Like the last episode I listened to, they were talking about some architectural highlights in Oakland. He's got the most soothing voice. Maybe I won't want, I forget his name, but he's lovely. 20,000 Hertz I like radio

I like a lot of science-based ones I like true crime I love true crime By the way I was going through your You have so many great guests I do Can I gas you up for a second?

Yeah please Because I know you guys It's hard to get guests As a Because so much But do you know that it's my Eight year anniversary Today of the podcast

Today I'm taking an elegant set Elegant set for that one And I was in a time Where it was like You started it in a time Where it's like I said I've never listened to your

early episodes, but if you weren't great, I feel like you have to be really good right out of the gate now, because the competition is so fierce. Well, and you have to be so consistent. Because I know, it's like, it's easy to roll your eyes at, but what do you do? You just get a mic and you start yapping, but there's so much more that goes into it than that. And I'm not, this is not a sob story, but I'm just saying it, you have to be regimented and disciplined. Yeah, which I like. Which I am. And you are. And I will always be. Yeah. Respect, kudos. Thank you. Are you enjoying it? I love it. Yeah. It's like, my new, it's, it's helping me fall back in love with social media.

Oh, good. I lost that love and feeling for a while. Well, when you're on reality TV for 11 years and your whole life is exposed and you go through, you like, you want to hide. You do. But at the same time, I'm so grateful and I know I'm one of the luckiest people in the world. I got to be on a TV show with my friends. Yeah.

That was like my cheers. We both had 11 seasons. Yeah, truly. We had 11 seasons. We had a bars. Yeah, that's true. And that's a thing. Well, I don't want to, I don't want to go on.

I don't, no tangent. Tom. Why? I love a tangent. Well, it's like being a bar owner, we had our norms. Yeah. Oh, you're regulars. Yeah.

I know. We had regulars. And it's like you learn about their lives and you have inside jokes. And it's like now one of the bars is closed and I'm at peace with that. But it's, yeah. Do you have like a, do you have a cheers bar? Do you have a go-to spot? No.

No? I always wanted. Broke my heart. I wish I had a spot. I feel like I want to be a regular somewhere so bad. Like I want to walk in and. sit at the bar and they're like Kaylin the usual like I love the idea of that I can picture you in like a cool smoky little honky tonk maybe somewhere in like printer alley you're

I love printer's alley oh my god yes I like that one bar in the way back rainbow skull skull rainbow room I just went there for the first time last year I loved it it's so good and it's so good it's got jazz music and it's live jazz the staff is insane they're so personable and funny see that's like 20 minutes for me to get there I want I want to like walk out my front door and But I live in, like, a rural community. Like, all my neighbors have families, and I'm, like, the degenerate on the corner who just, like, throws weird parties and... You have dogs. And I got dogs.

You have your own wine. That's, like, the one thing that they think is normal about me. Okay, at least she's got dogs. Because I'm just, like, people must think, what is she doing in this house by herself? Do you ever feel that way? Yeah. Like, when I am upstairs, sometimes I just, like, do the, like, hello, hello, hello. And I'm just by myself.

But it's fun living alone You live alone I do I do Well actually my brother's staying with him right now He just moved out here He survived miraculous odds The fact that he's even alive is insane Why what happened

He had some problems with addiction And he was being sent to hospice And right at the buzzer Long story short right at the buzzer He got a liver From a miraculous organ donor And he's still with us And he's like sober and just crushing it

Holy shit I love that He's transitioning I'm hoping him acclimate to L.A. Yeah. Where did he come from, Minnesota? Yeah, we all come from Minnesota. How many siblings do you have? Five?

Eight. What? Yes. You are one of eight? My dad was busy. Two marriages. I'm one of eight, yeah. Holy shit.

Yeah. Yeah, that's a whole other. Well, I mean, when you have eight children, there's everybody so different. Like, and there's bound to be some addiction, some like certain things with eight children. Yeah. You know? Yeah. That's a lot.

No, yeah. No, it's, it's, yeah. I'm happy for your brother. Thank you. I appreciate that. That's really cool. Thanks for the love. He'll probably hear this and be so stoked. He gets like, he gets stars in his eyes anytime he's been on Vanderpump Rules. He had a cameo on the Valley or maybe like when the, I think the first episode of this season and he just is like, he likes it. Oh, that's sweet. It's fun being on TV once in a while, right? Once in a while, I don't know how you guys do it for 11 years. I'm like one season of, yeah, well, that's how I survived one season of The Bachelorette. I was like, how do people do this? for, do you feel like you're just pigeonholed into one character? Do you feel like you're able to kind of, like, be who you really truly are and have people see all sides of you?

I mean, what you saw was true. I can't deny it. Yeah. I wasn't a soft scripted character. It was me at my best and my worst, but there's so much more to me than that. Yeah. Am I going to have to sell myself to the audience right now? Yes.

Make a pitch. Put 60 seconds on the clock. You've got a pitch. No, that's another reason I did the podcast, is to show another side of my personality. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And also I just felt like a little mushy, a little foggy, especially post-COVID, which I know so many people have just relayed this to me.

And I just want to sharpen my mind again. Yeah. No, I love podcasting for that. You always have good. Is that you retuning in your guitar? That's me retuning my mind. Oh, good. I do feel like podcasting, like, has you in a position to have honest conversations, to like learn,

have people on that are going to educate you. Yes. To just be back in. like a normal, like not on phones, having conversation, and people are going to tune in. I say this all the time. For podcasters, nobody who hates you is going to tune in to listen to you for 45 minutes. So it's a lot of love. I'm sure I have a few hate listeners.

Well, that's cool, too. Get the downloads in. Podcasting these days is rough. I know. Yeah. It's so saturated. It is so saturated. I feel like people, yeah, like I was saying, you know, they see you and on this TV show.

and I'm like, I'm going to go way back into, like, Little Tom. What was Little Tom like? Oh, I don't know if I've ever discussed Little Tom. Well, let's inner child, bring it out. Inner child. What were you like as a child? I had a lovely, dare I say, idyllic upbringing. Oh, great.

Just quiet, like in a suburb of St. Paul, Woodbury, Minnesota, which now became one of the fastest growing cities in the state. Did it really? Yeah, Woodbury is, like, cosmopolitan now. That's cool. But, yeah, when my dad first started building houses there back in the day, I think, you know, the population was sparse. Yeah, yeah. There were swamps everywhere, and yeah, I grew up in the suburbs.

It was like population eight, my family. Exactly. Yeah. It wasn't little house in the prairie, okay? But, like, you know, there wasn't much there. But anyways, yeah, I grew up in Minnesota, and then I went to Florida State University. Wow. I played sports most of my whole life.

I'm not a jock. No. But I played sports most of my whole life. Then I went to Florida State University. The reason I chose that place, because as a kid, I wanted to be quarterback at Florida State. That was my dream. Really? When I loved football, which the last time I truly loved it was like ninth or tenth or ninth grade, eighth grade.

You fell out of love with football. I did. And then I kind of fell in love with like extreme sports, skateboarding, snowboarding. And listen, my story's boring. No, it's not. I'm not boring, but maybe my life story. But I think it's interesting to know like how you grew up because some people like grow up in Hollywood and they dream of being on TV. and you like are a certain way but you literally grew up in this tiny little town with eight siblings and you did normal things that might be revisionist history tiny little town but in my mind that's how it was that's how i remember it it felt quaint no and then i'm like at what point did it change how did you find yourself in l.a on tv

okay so in high school i did theater oh you did i love i love i've always secretly wanted it's like it was i don't know why i felt ashamed of it i felt like too egotistical or I was like, why would I deserve to be an actor? Like, I was like, in an uncanny way, almost aware of the long shot odds of making it in Hollywood even as a young lad. But I always wanted to be an actor. I think my, so my grandpa, his name's Woody Woodbury. He was an app.

That's your grandpa's name? He was pretty big, like, back in the day. He did a show in New York. He had a show in California. He was also a comedian. He'd play the lounges. He'd play the piano. So did my grandpa.

Really? Yeah. Yeah. I think I got a quarter of that. Cool. So I got a quarter of that in me. That's why I didn't end up as a working actor and not a reality television show. But I had a quarter of a fire burning in me from a very young age.

Yeah. And I would indulge and entertain that from time to time. And eventually, after you guys, Florida State, worked for a wine and spirits distributor after college. I got my first bonus. Oh, big deal. $3,600. Ooh, from Jack Daniels. Nice.

And I resigned immediately. I put my two weeks in. You're like, hey, I've made it, I'm out. Met Tom Sandoval online, and the rest is history. Is that how you guys met? It was online? Yeah, I was looking for a roommate. Craigslist? He's like, your name's Tom, and I'm like, your name's Tom.

And then I met Kristen. We should probably be Tom's together. Yeah. Yeah. That was what we said. Wait, oh my God, that's pretty much the ballad of Tom Shorts and Tom Sandoval. And then Jacks moved in, and then you guys know the rest of history. You're probably tired of hearing it, but it was all on a whim.

Just, yeah, all serendipitous. That is cool. Well, because you, didn't you study, like, pre-med? Okay. That makes it sound, I don't want to church it up. I was, I was an exercise physiology major. Oh, okay. I don't know Florida State has, like, a set aside pre-med program even now, but back in the day, they didn't. You just chose your science of choice, biology, exercise, physiology, something like that. And then you do all the prerequisites and everything. I started in that direction, but halfway through, I was like, dad, I'd rather play a doctor on TV. I don't want to be a real doctor.

My hands are too shaky. No, yeah, you couldn't. You wanted to be like Dr. Drake Ramores on... Isn't that Joey's character on Friends? Exactly. Yeah, I get that. Like, unironically wanted to be that. I really wanted to be on a soap opera.

I never wanted to be a movie. Do you have the acting buck? Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. Have you ever dabbled? Only in, like, a music video. So, wait, can you tell us what music videos you've been? Are you not...

Were they up-and-coming artists? No, no, no. So Brett Kisle, who's a country artist. and a friend. I did one of his music videos. And then when I was a cheerleader in the CFL, the Canadian Football League, I got hired for a, I don't even remember the name of the band. Oh, I should find that video. The Cruzeiros or something, the cruiseries. Old, old men, probably not here with us anymore. And I had to be a cheerleader whose car broke down on the side of the road. And I remember thinking, I am an actress because they're like, just act like you don't know what to do.

And I looked at my nails and they went, oh, yeah, good, look at your nails. And I went, I thought, that on my own. Thanks for the validation. Yeah, I was very validated. And then I auditioned for some commercials while I lived in Vancouver, but that was pretty much it. That's cool, though, because you got farther than a lot of people do. It's tough out there. Just to get an agent to get good representation, to be able to get in a room. Well, first of all, just to be a part of the Screen Actors Guild, which I think is pretty cool, but just to be able to get into a room and be auditioning for a cheesy Coles commercial, which I booked. Check it out. Uh-uh. That's, you know what made me think that I, you know what made me think that I

I could actually make it in this town. When I booked my first commercial, it was for Coles. I think it was a think pink campaign. And I remember being in the room. And there was like at no less than 40, there was probably 60 dudes out of, that's how I remember. But they were all so ridiculously good looking. And there were also guys I've seen in campaigns, Abercombe. These guys, faces I recognized.

They were working. Yeah, because you had a little model stint for a second, didn't you? But I had not really done anything. And then after I somehow like made it, I somehow got that job, I was like, I don't know how I beat out these other guys. But maybe I have something. Yeah. Some, not much. Well, something. There's something there. And that was, I know, that Cole's commercial, I think you paid me like 10 grand. But how old were you? I think I was like 30. Oh, wow. 10 grand when you did that 30 of the first gig, that's awesome. I mean, I booked a few other thing, like small things non-union up until then. But yeah, that one, that one gave me some mojo. That's cool. And then where did the mojo take you? Oh, I thought you were going to say what happened in the mojo.

Yeah, well, that was my nicer way I was saying what happened to the mojo. Well, then it's like, right as I started getting momentum and like consistently auditioning at least for a little theatrical, mostly commercial, a lot of print. Listen, and you guys, I wasn't killing it, okay? But I was like working sporadically. Occasionally I was book and stuff. I was book and stuff. And then a little show called Vanderpump Rules. Game along.

The Sir Project. Yeah. And, yeah, the rest is history. It is really crazy. I feel like there's a lot happening right now. Yeah. Like, I did a little Google search and went to the news. You know, and you Google somebody's name and then you hit news.

Yeah. I never will do it for myself because it scares me. But what is happening? Like, what is the status of all the things? Tom Tom, Tom and Schwartz and Sandys and all the... Yeah, so Schwartz and Sandys is no longer with us. But that's the one we're at peace about? We can pour one out.

We can pour one out for Norm and that. Yeah, that was my cheers bar in the most twisted way possible. Okay. But it was my baby, and I'm proud of it. We put everything we had into it. It just didn't work out for a variety of reasons. Yeah. It was a very important learning lesson for me.

Those usually are. The ones that don't work are always the learning lessons. What did you learn? Pretty much just not to open a bar and put your name on the side. That's the gist of it. What about working with friends, doing business with friends? I mean, hot or not?

It's a polarizing thing. Think long and hard before you do it. Yeah. And just be judicious about, you know, just, I just, I think if you're going to work with your friends, you definitely shouldn't put your name on the side. And also, just like it's a meat grinder of a business. Like, if you're going to be a bar owner, unless you're a passive owner, you're going to have to be in there a lot.

A lot of late nights coming home at 2 in the morning. Inevitably, even if you're disciplined, you're going to inevitably. I definitely drink a little more than you do. A lot of birthdays, a lot of engagements, a lot of divorce parties. Oh, yeah. And it's just, it just, it wreaks havoc on, on, it wreaked havoc on my personal life, my sleep patterns, my alcohol consumption. Yeah. And anyways, I don't, I'm not crying about it.

But yes, I just don't think. No, but it's all real things. I would do it again as a minority stakeholder or a passive partner. I love the design process and I love being in there, celebrating beautiful moments with people. I love hosting. Yeah. But it does drain you in a very. particular way. Well, I worked in the restaurant biz for 11 years and I'm like, I can't even

imagine having it be my own because you're also babysitting a bunch of children. Yeah. You really are. Managing people is really hard, especially in the restaurant industry because people like to party. And then if you're in it and like, I also like to party, but I could never own, I would love to like have, now you're making me requestion things. Easy now. I'm scared. Careful of the next words that come out of your mouth, Caitlin. I want a wine bar in Nashville, but I maybe would do it with somebody else and just maybe have, like, my wine there. And I love that. And it's like the, I feel like the inevitable evolution of any staff, maybe this just, maybe I'm a little partial because people come in over the past, since we opened Tom Tom in 2018, people come in and they're like, we love your show.

You're like, you guys, your group of friends is just like our group of friends that we all work together. and we sometimes have sex with each other, blah, blah, you know what I mean? Like, and I'm like, yeah, there's little, there's little mini microcosm Vanderpump rules taking place all over the world. Oh, absolutely. You know, I always had work crushes at restaurants. There's always stuff going on within the restaurant. That's why it made good TV. It totally makes great.

And it's so relatable because almost everyone has worked in the service industry at some point. And if they haven't, they fully should. Oh, God. Right? Yeah, it's not for the faint of heart. It really is not. But it builds character. It builds a lot of care.

And it gives you good work ethic, I feel like. Totally. I think. I think, but I learned a lot from working in the restaurant. What? Phone call away. Am I talking too close? No.

I like to get, I like to get. It's a fist away. Oh, it is? I thought it was a phone call. That works too. Whatever, you can hear yourself. You know what you sound like. Okay.

Why are you in your head right now? I'm not. Okay. I just, I just, I just, yeah, maybe I was a little bit. People really want to know where things really stand between you and Sandable. Things between me and Tom right now are peaceful. Oh, great. Sorry if that's boring, guys.

No, that's peaceful. I think that's nice. Yeah. All friendships go through Rockies. You're just like on social media. Yeah, we just had this business that we put all of our life savings into. And it just kind of was going up in flames. Yeah, that's tough.

And we were on this sinking ship together and kept, tried everything to put the fires out. But, yeah, that put a lot of strain on our friendship. Well, it would be weird if it didn't. Totally. And we took, I think we took a long break from each other. Yeah. And I don't see him as much anymore, but the love is still there. Oh, good.

He's my brother. Yeah. It's family at this point. You know what I mean? We've been friends 15 years. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, we took a much needed long break. It's a healthy pause.

Healthy pause, exactly. Yeah. No, I still love Tom. That's good. Yeah. And what do you think your biggest regret is tied to the business side of things? Like, what is your regret? I think, although Franklin Village is probably one of my top, let's just say, five favorite places in L.A.

Do you know Franklin Village? I don't. It's such a cool. It has such a, New York's my favorite city in the world. And it reminds me of New York. I know we're in L.A. It has a very cool energy to it, kind of like maybe a little lower east side-ish, or something. like that and I just really fell in love with it and it something about it felt faded or

um circular or uh because the the guy we partnered with Greg he owned like one of my favorite spots I used to go to on La Sienega called the Belmont yeah he's no longer the owner there but that was like our favorites that was like our cheers bar yeah okay when we was that's we were because we would all walk there when I when I yeah when I live with Tom and Kristen and Jacks we loved the Belmont and then when I had a chance to partner with him. him all these years later for our sophomore effort, you know, in Franklin Village, coming out of the pandemic and I had like a fat stack of cash. I felt invincible. Yeah. But little did I know what was to come. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot. Well, you don't know. You're also young. You're learning.

Not that young. Well. But listen, maybe I'm a late bloomer. In terms of business, maybe I'm a late bloomer. But it did give me a rich life experience. I feel more just capable, competent. Do I look it? Yeah, absolutely. I was just going to say, well, you look it. Thank you. I'll set myself up for a compliment. But, um, you were fishing. Location. To finish, to finish that thought, I think I would have stayed in our wheelhouse in West Hollywood. Yeah. And I don't think I would have put my name on the side. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah. That's a learning lesson. Yeah. What do you think your next business venture would be if you could dream one up? You guys are going to think I'm sick. What? Another restaurant. I kind of want to do one more bar. No! But just like, I want to do it.

more passively. Okay. And I'm not going to over, I'm not going to overinvest. What is the vibe? I want a good old fashion. I want a cheers bar.

Yeah. I know we keep hitting on this, but I want a cool neighborhood dive lounge. I want a cigarette dispenser. I want, I want cheap beer. As cheap as cheap as you can get the drinks in L.A.

We want to go for volume. Great music, live music, vinyl DJ sets. I want one of those old school touch screens. where you get to play erotic photo hunt on those. You know those? Yeah, you look at pictures of people tastefully naked

and you have to figure out the difference. Like maybe one in one picture, they have like a purple banana hammock on and the next one it's like pink. Is it one of those ones where you like go like this? No, it's just a touchscreen in a bar. Why have I never heard of this? Yeah, and I want boiler makers on the menu

and it's like, yeah. Although it's like I've, you know, I don't go out nearly as much. I know I'm literally in my 40s, you guys, but I still love a good dive bar every now and then. I hope I love a dive bar until I'm, dead. Thank you. I love a dive bar. Thank you. Okay, where's your favorite dive bar in L.A. right now. Wow. Okay. In West Hollywood. Sure. That's where I'm seeing. I should just be on the payroll at this point because I feel like I bring so much business.

Tell me. Tom Tom. I host brunches on Saturdays. If you guys want to come and hang out with me, it's really fun. Usually we have a DJ. I call it the Church of Funk. Church of Funk. I like that. It's funky and it's fun and people dance. So we've got the disco balls up now. Amazing. But I usually leave around four or five and I go across the street to a little dive. bar called The Bayou. Okay. Have you been there? No. It's kind of a New Orleans theme dive bar and it's like it's got the upside down Christmas tree.

Oh, my God, I love. It's dark. It's dank. Yeah. It's got the Christmas lights. It's like they serve jello shots out of syringes. Obsessed. Sometimes there's weird smells in there.

Oh, that's, you know what? That's when you know it's a real dive bar. They've got carpet. Do they have carpet? No carpet. No carpet. They do have themed bathrooms. One is Ryan Gosling themed.

The other is Miss Britney Spears. Find me in both bathrooms. I guess it's technically a gay dive bar, but everyone goes there. Everyone goes to all the gay bars anyways. I love, by the way, I love Boys Town, and I'm so honored to just be a business partner in that part of town. Do you like it over there? Yes, I love it. It's so fun.

Oh, my God, I love it. There's this place in Nashville called Mother's Rune, and it's a dive bar, and it's got the most amazing cocktails, but they also have Britney Spears bathroom and a Family Matters bathroom. It's like Carl Winslow in the bathroom. I love Family Matters. I know. Can we play the theme song? Probably copyrighted. Do da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da no that's full house

I've got it up whatever happened oh shit no what's the family matter's one it's right here that's it's it da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da where there must be some in the inside the show whoa I don't know what the words are but I could definitely hit the melody you have pipes! I don't know you could sing Ah, no. You know what? I'm releasing a song on my 40th birthday.

Are you really? It's the Family Matters theme song remix. Just kidding. No, I am releasing music, though. Really? Have you... I grew up in theater. You did? Yeah, I did. I was actually on Broadway for seven weeks. Okay, that is really cool. I know. Respect. And what's even cooler is it did not do well, so I didn't even get paid because they went bankrupt and I was still like, I would have done it for free. Totally.

Yeah, it was such a cool experience. Just for the memoir, even if you never write a memoir, just for the... I'm like I was on Broadway. I am in a playbill. You have lore. Yeah, I got lore for days. Yeah. Yeah, it was really fun.

You're going to be telling this story in your bar, your wine bar, in Nashville one day. You know, back in my day, I was on Broadway. They're going to be like, bullshit lady. And then I'll be like, Google it. Home for the holidays. A big flop. You ever heard of, you ever heard of podcasting? I was a pioneer.

I'm just always drunk at the bar talking about people. People just think I'm one big liar. I want, wait, I love this idea for you for a dive bar, though. Thanks. Yeah, I got one more in me. There's also a place that I grew up going to in my 20s almost, actually probably every weekend is called the Roxy. It's not the same as the one here.

But it had carpet since the 80s, and you just, you had to be drunk to go there. Otherwise, it smelled like vomit. But it was so fun. Those carpets weren't dirty. They were seasoned. Vintage carpets. Those carpets have seen some shit. Oh, my God.

Yeah, and you could smell it. But that's what I'm like, even walking by the Roxy in Vancouver, I'll be like, oh, it's like during the day. I don't want to smell it. So we had listeners ask some questions. Okay, cool. I like this. It's always fun. It's always fun.

So we had one listener right in and she asked, will you ever date another girl named Katie? Let's go for the trifecta. Let's go for the trilogy. Although me and Floody didn't really date. Honestly, we were just really good friends, not to ruin the joke. Oh, was she, was this the one from the, um, below deck? Uh, yes, she was on below deck and, um, she was a yachty and, uh, now she's living a very peaceful life in Dubai.

I was just, I just did an episode with her, my first retox episode, we went day drinking in Miami, we drank Miami vices. Have you ever had one? Yes, of course I have. They'll get you. They'll get you. Yeah. If you guys don't know what that is, it's, it's, it's really just a, uh, strawberry daquery mixed with a pinocalada. Yeah. And that's it's, it's, it's like, um, dangerously delicious. That's perfect way, they'll get you. Yeah, they'll get you.

Yeah. Every time, same with Mai Tai's. My ties, they will actually, they won't even get you. Those will you right up. And you guys, if you've never been to Hawaii, one of the great, simple pleasures in life is having a Mai Tai sunset, Hawaii. Yes. Forget about it. Honestly, that's my happy place.

That is, when I, like, meditate and try and fall asleep, that's what I'm picturing. Hawaii is like, I'm on a different vibration in Hawaii. Totally. And with a Mai Tai, forget about it. You said it. Okay, someone else asked, do you think the show, show helped or hurt your marriage? I think in the past I might be guilty of scapegoating the show a little bit. Yeah. At least in private. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Um, little confessionals with my

friends, but I can't blame the show. It's on, that's on me. Yeah. I think of anything, like it... We love accountability king. Yeah, no, it's on me. And when you're doing a show like that, it depends on the show because like, bravo, listen, I don't want to kiss too much Bravo ass. I've been kissing up. But I love Bravo. I feel like you do such a good job. of not stovepiping or like trying to like spoon feed people things to say. Sometimes they have to help you because you inevitably go off topic. And it's like you guys, this is boring. No wants to hear about the Dodgers.

But like it's like going, yeah, it's like going to therapy in front of tons of people. It forces you to get in there and discuss things that you'd usually just sweep under the rug. True. Bottle up. True. And it might feel awful in the moment. Yeah. But I think long term, it's ultimately cathartic and good and healthy.

I agree. No, I cannot blame the show for the downfall of my marriage at all. But it might have helped in a certain way and hurt in a way because it's like you probably weren't meant to be together, so there's that. But also, you got to talk through things that you probably would have bottled up, you know? Totally. Take into the grave. Yeah.

That sounds shady. No, but it was way more good than bad. Can I leave on that note? Let's leave on that note. The marriage, yeah, way more good than bad. People want to know if you're ready to seriously date again. Whoa, seriously. Like not being around.

On a scale from one to serious. Yeah. Right now, I guess I was semi-dating somebody. We're not dating or we were hanging out. Is this a known thing? Really? Not really. No, not on the show or anything.

Just really enjoying each other's company. But I'm not actor. I want kids more than anything right now, but I don't, I'm not going to force it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm sure I'm not about to download a dating app. I refuse. I'm the same way. I've never been on a dating app, and I'm like, I want kids so bad, but I also don't want to force it and push it.

Yeah. We'll find love. Wait, so what's, you're not dating? No, I'm just hanging out, but I'm not, I'm not actively dating. Is she from reality TV? No. Oh. No.

I'm just kind of laying low. Wow. Yeah. I feel. Not very tall of you. I'm just laying low. I like that. I'm keeping a low profile right now.

Well, then this kind of answers my next question. Would you ever do a dating show? The summer house doesn't count. In my head, there's like this little voice that says, never say never, Tom. I mean, I guess if they would have to give me a lot of money. It's just, I don't think I would be interesting. Yes, you would.

You will always be interesting to people. Thank you. I love myself, but I just, I don't think I. Thank you. I love myself. That's the best answer ever. No, but I just don't think I would. I'm not scrolling, by the way, I'm getting to questions for you, but go on.

No, no, no. No, that's what I'm just like anyways. Caitlin, that would be so funny. I think it would be iconic if you started scrolling. Especially while you're talking about it. I don't think people would be interested in me anymore. And I'm like, uh-huh, go on. Yeah.

But I think people will. I'll just say, yeah, I'll listen to the little voice inside my head. Never say never. Yeah. I think that's fine. What was that little? How come you got to go on Summerhouse? Well, first of all, I love those guys.

Yeah. Who's your favorite? Whoa. I don't like that. Who's your least favorite? I don't like that question. Just kidding. I got to give a sports answer.

I like them all. You do? Yeah. Well, I just got to know. Wes and and Jesse and they're such big personalities

and yeah I got to know I guess I got to know Lexi a little bit but I knew everybody else and I just even though they're not my besties or anything I feel very comfortable around them yeah like I cannot see a page or somebody like we're not best friends

or anything we don't talk a lot but if I see her I feel like we pick right back up where we left off I have always had a good just easy friendship with them yeah it's common ground Yeah. Yeah, I get that. Somebody wants to know if you still have the Bubba tattoo on your butt.

It's still there. Wow! Yeah, I'm never getting rid of it. Oh, good. It was a very fond, I have nothing but fond memories from the Bubba tattoo. I love that. I always say Katie's the only one who has the power to have that removed. Really?

One day she's like, I want it off now. I guess I would, but I wouldn't be happy about it. I guess I love that. Yeah, I love the Bubba tattoo. That's amazing. Okay, somebody said that This is for the Canadians You've been to Canada

I could do a whole episode on Canada with you Okay I've been everywhere in that they're laying I've been everywhere man I was trying to match your vocal mojo But no I love Canada I've been almost

I've been to Montreal so many times Edmont Tint I've been everywhere I'm from I'm from Are you? Yeah I'm an honorary Canadian I'm from Minnesota Yeah you are and yes you are an honorary

I always called Minnesota and set I just you guys never No. If you're listening, Canadians, you know, because I know you've been out with me in Canada. I turn up in Canada. We have such good times. Like, when I ever do, like, maybe I'll do a trivia night or I'm hosting an event or something. I just love Canada. Yeah. They said that you're one of them. That's, I'm going to cry. I'm going to cry. I'm going to cry. That's so sweet. This person says, I need to know who his ideal woman is, even if it's just a description or a celebrity crush.

I got a thing for kind of Charlie X, CX right now. Oh. No, I just saw the party for you video. Have you seen that? You can watch me pull up on your party. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so good and sensual. I always like Rashida Jones. I don't know. Okay, what is your opinion on the Vanderpump Villa Mormon Wives drama? Wait, okay. I don't know what this is. Wait, I don't really either.

Should we Google it? I think there's something like... Oh, I saw the episode with that minute. Is the... I, there's something we're like, no, we got to look this up because there is something. By the way, can I just say I got to chill with the Vanderpump Villa crew. They came into Tom Tom when I was hosting brunch last Saturday. They are lovely. Are they?

Yeah. Great. There's such a vibe. Yeah. Such, I hate, good energy is like the stockest compliment. But it's also maybe the highest praise. No, I agree. They just had good energy.

That's what I would hope people would say about me. Good energy. You do have great energy. Really? It's contagious. But you could see that they, you could see that they, they got the twinkle in their eyes. They're right in the wave.

Everything's new. Oh, it's like new. Right? Yeah. You're like, do we sound jaded? Yeah. I'm like, oh, they haven't been corrupted yet. Wait, yeah.

Okay, wait. No, we got to look it up. Do you have the same thing as me called ADD? A little bit, yeah. Undiagnosed, but. I'm self-diagnosed. No, there is something. I thought you would know.

That's why I asked. I just watched the first, I think the first episode of season two of Vaha Mormon. Yeah. What's the title? Secret Lives of Mormon. I'm digging it. It's so good. Yeah.

I love the girls. They're so vulnerable. They're so honest. They're just, they are who they are. I love it. It's perfectly said. I did hear murmurs about this, but I don't know any, I don't have any juicy details for you guys. I want a dish.

I want a dish. Yeah, I would like you to dish, but you don't have anything to dish. Okay. Do you have more plans of being on Summer House this season? I mean, in my dreams. Also, the rap. They already did the reunion. Oh, they did?

Yeah. But I guess I just have to wait to my next traumatic life experience because that's, every time I go on there, I'm going through something. How do they pick someone to go on there? Well, I'm just, I think, I think, because they do bring friends on there. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just to mix up the dynamic and stuff.

And I'm honored to be in the rotation from time to time. Hey, Paige, asked me to come on. Kyle FaceTime me last night. He was with Janet, because Janet just did watch what happens live with her lovely husband, Jason. Oh, yeah. And they were with Kyle, and I love Kyle. That's nice. Kyle's my guy.

I like how you say Kyle. Kyle. Kyle. That's how he's, once he starts drinking kid, you can talk. You kind of gets like this. Really? I'm the muffin man. Look at me.

I had a whole muffin. Now I'm the muffin man. He's so funny. Have you seen that trend on TikTok about who the hell put the muffins in the freezer? Yeah, and I like it, but I don't understand it. I like the reenactments. I know. I don't understand it either.

I did one yesterday, and I was like, why is this so funny? Did you post it? Yeah. Oh, I'm going to, wait. Actually, I haven't posted it. I saved it because I did it for, I interviewed Holly Madison yesterday. Awesome. Yeah, and we did that.

She has such a cool. tale to tell. Oh, she really does. And she's so smart and so old soul, humble queen. I've only like brushed by her niceties, but yeah, old soul, you don't feel that. Yeah. I feel like you're not an old soul. I feel like this is like your first life. Someone told me I'm, well, I met with someone. A past life regressor? A medium, psychic. Yeah. I don't want to mention her name, but she said I'm on my, I'm actually on my fourth life. Oh, really? Oh, okay. But I do feel like a young soul. Yeah, I think you're a young soul. I think I'm in a medium. I'm like a medium soul. Can I be medium? Sure. I'm a medium soul. We can be medium souls. I'm a classic soul. If you watch Vanderpon Pools,

you'll get that joke. Oh, that's why I didn't get it. Just kidding. But I think I'm on my last life. I think that's why I'm like so sad about the passage of time. Like, the fact that yesterday's gone makes me sad. It's kind of romantic. You think so? Poetic. Lyrical? Lyrical, at least. Well, it makes me sad because I'm like, I don't want time to pass, but I have to accept that it just does. You know what? That's a beautiful thing that you say that because, I mean, we don't have to get too deep here, but I know just having experienced some not so great moments of my life are working really shitty jobs. Are you just like, can this day just come to an end? Yes. Do you know what I mean?

To be in a place where you're like, man, I don't want this day to end on a daily basis, even if it's not every day, but just. No, I get mad at people who have like, who they hate Mondays, like, because they're like, oh, but. I'm like, why would you hate a Monday? That's an extra day in your week. Monday, fun day. Monday, fun day. If you're an industry person, you love Mondays. That's true.

I get that you're 9 to 5, like, oh, Monday, it's the beginning of the work week. But everybody's always wanting those Mondays to go and like the week to get to the weekend. But then everyone complains about time moving so fast. And it's like, well, then enjoy your Mondays. Yeah. You know what? Another, I was scrolling. I just watched this guy, and he was a TikTok, I think.

And he's just talking about the monoton. of working in nine to five and you don't get to retire until you're 65 and the government takes its big piece of the pie and you know you only get two days a week to really just like take one day he's like you get one day to maybe do all the things you need to do around the house so you have one day to really like connect with your friends and family on a deep level and just like kind of an existential moment and that's last one and I've been there

that's one thing I'm so grateful for just being on a show for the past 10 years or whatever just because I kind of took me out of the matrix, even though I don't mind the matrix. I like to having a 9 to 5. I did, but I was out of the office a lot. I was traveling. Yeah. When you're with the distributor? Yeah.

So you get cool fringe benefits, but like that's one thing I'm forever grateful for. Just even if it, you know, whatever, who knows when it'll all come to an end, but never. Do you have, are you like a conspiracy theorist? I dabble. I love listening to about them. Do I, do I perpetuate them or come up with my own? No, but I love going down YouTube rabbit holes. Same.

What's your current hot one? Well, I don't really have a current one. I just, like, when I see something, I really do go down a rabbit hole on it. But, like, I don't believe the earth is flat by any means. I'm not that into it. But I just like seeing, I like hearing people's opinions on it because they really do bring up some valid points. Yeah, no. Are you in one?

This is a missed opportunity to bring up a topical one, but... Give me. I got nothing. I got nothing. Yeah, I don't really either. I don't really either. Like, Britney Spears not being a real human, kind of I was in that one for a long time. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, one that I never gave any credibility to. It was the Alanis Morset. Oh, excuse me.

I was like, what? My hero. Oh, back to celebrity crushes. Alas Morset? No. Oh, just kidding. Why'd you have to go and make things so? Complicated. Averill Levine. I've always had a crush on Averill Levine. She might. Interesting. But do you know about this conspiracy theory? Yeah, that she's, that somebody else is being Averill and that Averill died. She died and, I mean, I think that's one of like the most common basic ones, but I thought it, I found it very fascinating. It is fascinating, especially when people bring up all of the proof and things around it, you're like, is she dead? I mean, I don't even think it's a conspiracy theory at this point.

There's orbs, unidentified objects flying in the air. I'm 100% sure that there's interdimensional beings present with us, aliens, whatever you want to call them. Yeah, yeah. I would bet all my, and I'm a gambler. I bet all my money on it. Me too. You're a gambler? I love gambling.

Sports gambling or just any gambling? Pokers, I think I'm actually going to play my first ever live World Series of Poker next week in Vegas. If you see me holler at me. I've played online before. Oh, that's cool. I've done pretty well, but I love poker. Oh, I like it at a poker. I like it a poker.

I can dabble in poker. I can like play a little bit, but Blackjack is my thing. Instant grat. I am so good at Blackjack. Whoa. Like weirdly good. Whoa. You got skills?

Have you ever gone on a run? Like when you ran up, maybe you start with like 100 or 500 bucks. Next thing you know you have like three, four, five grand. Have you ever gone on those type of rooms? Yes. Oh. And I was in banking. Vancouver and it was the end of the night and I was staying in a hotel that was also a casino at the bottom of the hotel. And I was like, I was going to go play a couple rounds of Blackjack. And I had $1,000 and I went all in. I was like, you know what, I have a good feeling about this. I just went all in. Blackjack. Did you hit and run? Yes. You walked away? You walked away. You got to know when to hold them.

No way to being able to walk away. It's one of the most underrated talents. Oh, I woke up the next morning and I was like, okay. You guys, if you've never gambled, I'm not trying to talk you into it. But I'm going to tell you this in a soothing, sexy voice, money won is twice as sweet as money earned. That's so true. I didn't mean it to sound pervy. Okay, so I always make people give a confession on my podcast, something embarrassing that's like happened to you that you've never shared before, something that you are like, this is mortifying. You got it.

I saw it, a light bulb went off. Okay. So going back to like being theater kids, I wouldn't call myself a theater kid, but I loved theater and I dabbled. But when I was in high school, I was in Greece. And I had a small role. I was playing Eugene. Okay. The nerd. Oh. Yeah. In, um. In Greece. Oh, you mean the actual Greece. Yeah. Oh my God. I was thinking to something else. Okay. Yes. Okay. Great. The iconic play. And I remember I was super stoked about it. I just, I liked having a small part. I was totally okay with that. Yeah. I didn't really have great ambitions about being the lead. Yeah. And I also was, I was very aware of my limitations in terms of singing and talent. Yeah. But, um, I was stoked to be there. And before it started, I was at a high school party and I got in trouble and I got an underage drinking ticket. Then they kicked me out of Greece, man. No! Yeah, they kicked me out of Greece.

Oh, Eugene. I'll have you over a head left and losing for a wheeled out. Oh, yeah. I remember sitting down and memorizing all the songs with my friend I can't remember her name right now. Robin, she was so sweet. And she sat me down in her living room and I memorized all the songs and I practiced singing.

And you got kicked out for underage drinking? So on brand. That is so on brand. That's hilarious. Wait, very underrated people do not like my take on this, but I loved Greece too. I don't think I've ever seen Greece too.

Go home and watch it. That is my home. Work? Yes. And then we'll do another episode on it. And then message me and tell me what you think. It's Michelle Pfeiffer. I love Michelle Pfeiffer. She's Sandy. She's iconic. I know. I'm obsessed with her and she is in Greece too. And I don't know if I would say it's better than Greece one, but it's tied for me. I know. I know. I said people don't like this take. That might be the hottest take. It's not a good one. Eight years podcasting. That might be the most controversial take. stupidest thing you've ever said in eight years of podcasting that Grease 2 might tie with Grease 1. I will watch it for you.

Okay, I'm I'm not mad if you don't. Maybe not tomorrow, but someday. You just did a hand shake, though. You have to. Okay, I did, yeah. I'll watch it. That'd be f***ed up if you didn't do it.

I'll watch it. Okay, well, tell people where they can find your podcast. And where they can find it and what they can expect to feel when they listen to it. You guys, I want it to be soothing. I've been getting a lot of positive feedback. Good.

It's on podcast, one. Yeah. Every Tuesday, new episodes. I don't want it to sound like overly indulgent or precious, but it's a quest. Oh, a quest. For self-improvement. Yeah. And can I say greatness?

You can say it every one. It's your podcast. I want to take people along for the ride. I didn't do this just for the sake of doing a podcast. Yeah. It's coming from the soul. I'm letting the soul flow. And it feels good.

And I'm really enjoying it. Yeah, like I said, we're going to figure out new ways to, yeah, nourish the mind, body, soul. We're not just breaking even, which I've done. Maybe I've been in a deficit for the past like 10 years. But I'm trying to break even usually. I'm usually even, Stephen, but we're trying to level up, but I want to do it together. And we're going to have a lot of fun along the way. That's nice. We might fall apart sometimes too. Yeah. Responsibly, ethically. Maybe not. Maybe not. Yeah, but we're in it together. You know what we're doing every week? We're keeping it together so we can fall apart. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Congratulations on the podcast. Thanks. I also just

realized they've, I love, I love the notes and the feedback I get from behind. I said that Michelle Pfeiffer played Sandy. It's not Sandy. It's Stephanie. Yeah. She plays Stephanie in it. And it's really a treat. I really need you to put your phone down and watch it. Okay. No distractions. No, okay. Should we do a TikTok or something? Sure. Okay. Goodbye. Thanks, Caitlin. Thanks, guys. Thank you.