Off The Vine with Kaitlyn Bristowe - Walker Hayes

Episode Date: December 26, 2019

Happy Holidays from Kaitlyn and country singer Walker Hayes! This is Walker's second time on Off the Vine and he tells Kaitlyn about all the vinos who have also become his fans. He talks about his new album of 8-tracks called Black Sheep. The album has an uncut, raw vibe just like Walker's honesty when asked about embarrassing stories! They talk about goals for the new year and Walker reveals how he's recently embraced religion in his life. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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My guest today is someone who I've had the pleasure of speaking with in the past. We found out two years ago, right? It's been two years. I really thought it was a year. Too long. But it's definitely time for us to catch up because we said a year, two years ago we said you need to come on in a year and talk about everything that you've done. Yes. So now you must have a lot of built up information for me after two years.

I'm ready to vomit all that's happened over the past two years. So you're a singer-songwriter originally from Alabama. You've toured with artists, including. Kelsey Ballerini, Dan and Shea, Thomas Rhett, Old Dominion, many more, which those are huge. Yeah. You're huge, so there you go. That voice is Walker Hayes. And this year you are set out to headline your very own tour, right?

Called Dream on it? Yeah. Well, we did that. You did it already? Yeah. You already done it? We did it. Fares and festivals.

Yeah, we're cruising right now. Right now we're doing nothing. I don't even know. Oh, that's nice. We just released a new 8-track called Black Sheep. So that's kind of high on the priority list. as far as, like, things I need to sell to your listeners. Yeah.

So tell us about it. Yeah. So I do, the first, the thing that started my whole career was music we gave away for free. Yeah. And we did them on these things called eight tracks. And the first one is called Good Shit. And the second one was called Break the Internet. And they did well.

One reason they did well is because they were free. Yes. And, but people, the music circulated. And honestly, that's still the music that fans know the most. Yeah. The die hard fans love the eight tracks. more than albums. Really?

And yeah. And so I couldn't wait to put another one of those out. So we just did one called Black Sheep. And it's just so, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's, it's all, the A Tractor songs about my kids, uh, they're about my struggles with alcoholism. They're about anything that's real life. So, you know, going into a writer's room, there's no rules. Yeah.

Production wise, they're just crazy and, um, they're not fixed. I'm not a huge fan of polished. Like, I don't really love making. making albums. I don't love the commercial radio side that much. It's just so perfect that it's almost boring to me. So yeah, these eight tracks are a great, you know, way for me to just get sloppy. I like it, though, because I feel like that's a true artist. I always loved a Nirvana for that. Yeah. Like, I always loved that Kurt Cobain would just, like, sing, like, whatever if he hit a note that was a little off, he just, you know, it's just so raw. And I feel like

that's a true artist yeah no and that's why you know these things these eight tracks i make them in our bedroom so in some yeah so sometimes you can literally hear like some movie my kids are watching next door they're screaming or fighting and they're you know you can just kind of hear it in the background yeah awesome it's neat it's super neat so i love that and i'm lucky i get to do those and what is tell me about black sheep and how so black sheep is um i just going to be honest I love urban music. Like when Old Town Road came out, I was a little jealous. I was like, I love that.

Like, I want to do that, you know? And so honestly, walking around the house one day, I just started going, Black Sheep, Black Chevy, Mobile, wasn't ready. And now I just, I was like, I don't care. I was like, that just feels so good. And I want bass. And growing up, my wife, she would love to make fun of me. But when I was growing up, my favorite thing in the world,

world was just bass. I just loved. I wanted like more speakers in my car. I spent money I didn't have on base. I had a problem. Like I was that guy and I want to see how loud I can make it go boom. And you had nowhere to go. You just were doing loser laps around anywhere just to hear the bass. Exactly. Like drive to the mall just to get in the lot, be loud and then get in my car and be loud again and drive away. And I was that kid. I just loved it. And I listened to like two live crew and kilo and um, Just all kinds of, like, anything with Bay. I even bought, like, if you've ever seen CDs in a store where it's, like, nothing but Bass or King of Base, like, I was the guy.

I was the white guy that bought those CDs. Don't make you bad, people. I mean, multiple times as a teenager, I would just park my car in, like, a lot and walk and see how far you could still hear my car. And I was like, that's amazing. Very passionate about Bass. Yes, I love Bass. I love the way.

and it feels and uh but yeah we man that's what that's what the song like she was about and i did date laney in high school and i remember she liked it too i remember we had golf balls in my center console and when the bass hit in a certain song they would just start spinning like it shook the whole car and she would be like oh wow you know and i was like i was like i'm impressing her that was your game yeah it was like step in the car like See what's up, see what I'm working with. But yeah, we just had, we have fun. I'd be like, look at the rear view, shaking, you know.

And I don't know. I know that sounds funny, but that's like, that was my thing. I didn't like love to mud ride or hunt or anything. I was like, I wanted a truck specifically. I wanted a SUV so that you could just fill up the back with just speakers. Okay, was this a small town that you grew up in? This mobile. I mean, it's a lot smaller than Nashville.

And it's a lot, you know, not to like knock mobile, but it's behind, you know, like people, not a lot of Tesla's in the deal, you know. Yeah, I feel that way about where I grew up, though, because I'm also laughing at the story because I feel like that's so many, that was so many of my buddies growing up. Like, I remember thinking it was hot if a guy had, like, a good base and his, ah! I love that. See, I know. And I made me think, like, maybe that's a small town thing because, like, what else you really have to get excited about? So, and especially if you like music, you know. Yeah, your sound system, and I love that you said that because maybe that's what I thought.

Like, I even had a nice sound system in my room. Yeah. And now I imagine, like, me in my bedroom, like, tricking out of sound. And I'm like, wow, would I do that? But growing up, you know, like, you're talking about Nirvana. Yeah. Music was life. Like, man, you're a, dude.

And I think it's kind of like that as a kid now, but, like, it's just what gets you up every day. I mean, music, I just, I couldn't get enough of it. Like, I did. I spent money on music and how to make it louder. Yeah. That's, I don't know. That's what I blew all my money on. I think it's great.

It's, yeah. How are your eardrums? They're good. Oh, they are? I actually have, I have an ultima now. A lot more practical. Yeah. But I do have two tens in the, in the trunk.

Which I'm like, dude, is a 39-year-old dude with six kids. Like, that's probably a little geeky. I don't know, but I don't care. No, it doesn't matter. Makes you happy. There you go. I drive through my suburban neighborhood, like, just thumping. And I think what's even dorkier is I thought my own music.

I'm like, hey, this is me. That's not dorky. You're like promoting it around your neighborhood. I love going in like Starbucks line and being like, I hope they ask what this is. Like, where can I get this great music? I'm like, well, actually, it's me. You're like, I'm so glad you asked. Yes.

That was like me the other day. I went through Starbucks Drive Through and I have like a scrunchy line. And so this girl was like, oh, I love your scrunchy. And I was like, oh, you do? I'm like, well, have you ever heard of at Do Do Edit on Instagram? Go give it a follow. They have the best scrunchies. And she was like, I will.

But you didn't tell her your involvement. You just were like, hey, go here. But you sold it. Yeah. And then she'll probably find out and be like, oh, my God, I was a girl. I hope so. That's cool. Yeah.

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Oh, so yeah, just being on it. Okay, so like it was super whirlwind when I met you last. And not going to lie, just kind of going from interview to interview, had no idea who you were. Yeah. Like walking in. Yeah. And you drank wine, I remember.

And we played. and had no idea like your popularity like literally was like oh this is a nice nice girl like she just doesn't she's an upstart podcast you know no lie always meet somebody that found

me from you like your reach is ridiculous not going to lie like so many people I love I'm so interested where people find me because it's so random because my stuff one song has

hit on the radio and the rest not so much so it's kind of like this underground thing that happens but yeah i mean you're way up there on the top like so many people say they heard me from your podcast um that makes me happy it almost ties with like the highway the high a lot of the highway loves on me really well but like it is so random but so many people will be like i heard you that's i love that i love hearing that but yeah it was people loved that podcast Yeah. People really, well, because you've got such a cool story as well and like where, you know, like the whole like how you worked at Costco to like get your music on and you have six kids. You've been with your girl since high school. Like it's just a really cool story too. Yeah, but you, yeah, you killed it. And yeah, we still, I mean, a lot of lifelong fans from that. So. Oh, that makes me happy. You know what I really appreciate is the fact that you still were willing to come on this podcast thinking it was just.

I was just doing, honestly, I was just. You're doing the. rounds yeah one after you know i mean honestly i had just come from working at costco so i was like hey y'all just tell me what to do and i'm gonna do my best right and so that's that's how i did that podcast and um yeah again i just am not and i guess just where i am in life i really just don't know um really what's going on like who's who's what and stuff yeah i know because you i saw you at my ex's gym i was i did go to that i'm just kidding yeah i was like i'm gonna joke and give him a time i'm totally joking are you all buddies no oh gosh are you really not no okay not at all it's all good though that you're not good i hold space for him okay it doesn't matter okay you know at the end of the day

he's doing his thing and i'm doing mine and it's so you don't think i was cheating on you by working out with him at first i was like oh i just want a message him be like don't go there i just kidding but i'm i'm kind of bugging you i'm sorry no don't be so Sorry, you are allowed to work out wherever your little hard desires. Do you have to pick like you or him? No, no. There are still many mutual friends in our lives that I would never. I would never in my life actually get mad at somebody.

That's funny. Yeah. But I'm glad you're just, you're so candid about it. I appreciate that. Yeah. I mean, it's everybody kind of is so, everybody knows me because of my relationship with him from the show. So it's like, I can't just leave people in the dark after we break up and pretend everything was just, you know. Great.

Yeah. You know, and I hate those, which I did. of those breakup announcements like we both respect each other and blah blah blah yeah i hated that because i wanted to just you know but it's the right thing to do yeah but i'm like god that's not me i want to be like well here's what happened and it's my fault too and it's his fault too right this is what happened and we are not on good terms but that's okay yeah yeah but you know how it is you should have done that i you know i look back at it now and think i really should of because it just you could tell that that message did not come from us like as a couple it was

very like it's basically like we've copy and pasted everyone and who do we think we are that we need to announce our breakup to the world like well you know people wanted to know yeah people people and i feel like honestly i don't again i'm not like thoroughly um educated on you in your life but i feel like most people what they appreciate about you is the not curated version of you And I've never been that way, and I never will be that way. But that's, yeah, it's just such a weird, when you, when there's another person involved, because as much as you could be angry or upset, you still have to respect their privacy and their life and that, you know, they still have to go on and live their life. That's nice of you. Well, even though you didn't want to.

Yeah. I mean, I won't get into it. I won't get into it You know what we will get into is the confessions Because we were Sorry what is your name again Marissa So she was saying

Oh you gotta tell this one Oh what about this one And I'm like oh yes You've got a lot I mean I just do dumb things often Perfect You're my ideal guest on a podcast Yeah I mean

And I'm not You know I was telling you earlier I don't It's not I don't feel embarrassed. I'm just kind of like, ah, that sucks. Yeah. Dumb me, you know. I'm the same way. I don't get embarrassed very easily.

Yeah, I mean, and they're always funny, you know, stories, but she was reminding me. I mean, dude, it's been, I mean, especially with Laney involved, I mean, Lainey and I were, I'm not, like, proud of this story, but, you know, in high school, Mobile is a, when I grew up there, it was a lot of underage drinking going on. That was a big thing. It was almost like a sad epidemic there in that town and we were a part of it and um you know lany and i were busted in like the basement bed yeah by her dad one night and he he grabbed my naked body no from the bed and threw me in the garage which didn't have a door and it was super cold outside so i'm literally naked naked i think i'm 17 again i i hate like i my kids not my kids not

know this story. Like I try to prepare them for life. And this is like one of those mistakes I made that I look back and I'm like, please just don't let this happen to you. I'm not sure if my parents know about this story. But yeah, that was embarrassing to, I mean, to say the least. Yeah, he threw me outside, gave her like a really long lecture while you were sitting up there. About, you know, not getting pregnant and stuff like that. I'm just standing outside. A little bit intoxicated. Yeah. And then she gave me a ride home, you know, that night.

And I got my clothes back. Okay. How long were you in the garage for? A long time. But again, I was a little bit, you know, drunk. So time was like, it didn't really matter. Yeah. I was just, I think the first on my list was like, am I going to, like, should I walk home?

Yeah. Like, is he coming back out? Like, are the cops coming right now? I was just kind of like, what, okay, so what? This is a bad, bad decision. Yeah. How does it get better in the future? Like, do I hide in the bushes?

Like, I had no, do I knock? Like, hey, can you, forgot my pants. Like, yeah, I didn't know. And, um, could you throw me a towel? We laugh. They were actually here in town this weekend. And it's rare that we were together and that story doesn't come up. I mean, her, our, my brother-in-law and,

and Laney's sister, they love to bring that up. Yeah. But it's not awkward. And again, my kids know, you know, we try to be very open with them. But again, I mean, that's just one of a deal. I mean, and again, I don't know if that was embarrassment. Like, that was, it was, yeah, it's funny. It's funny now.

Yeah. And I'm not even embarrassed when people bring it up. Okay. Well, what about the time you pooped your pants? So that, oddly enough. oddly enough this this this was the same day this was one of those that i was just like it just happened and um the funny part of this story to me is the context in it like um the first record label i ever had was with capital records yeah this was about nine years ago maybe 10 and um

i loved kind of being accorded by a label like you do you go from having this like penny pinching life to, you know, I would say goodbye to Laney, and she'd be like, what are you doing today? And I'd be like, they're taking me to P.F. Chang's for lunch, you know, and I would be so excited, you know, I'm going to P.F. Chains with the label head and my A&R person. We're going to talk about me and my record and my future. And it was one of those days. And so they picked me up, you know, Oh, it was P. F. Chang's that got you. Yes. Okay. Beware of the Mongolian beat. Has this happened to you? No, but I've heard stories. Oh, man. So we go. I tear it up.

I'm a Mongolian beef guy. Like, that's always one of the two that I get. Tor it up. Like, it's not on my dime. I mean, I'm lettuce wrapping it. I'm Mongolian beef. I think we even did dessert. Yeah.

And this is nine, ten years ago. So I'm in some, like, not white jeans, but, like, almost white. Yes. And, you know, boots and stuff. I love trying to look cool. And anyway, they dropped me back off. And I see on my floorboard, I'm like, oh, it's a Taylor Swift album.

And this, I mean, in this piece of crap car, but I lean over, like, right when, low, like, got that lo-fi up. But they drive me off, and I'm like, literally waving. I'm like, so good to see you. And I lean over to pick up this Taylor Swift album. That was it. I thought I trusted a fart. That's what happened.

Yeah. And as soon as I leaned over, I was like, oh, oh, my goodness. and it wasn't just like a little bit like it was a good portion and so I couldn't sit back down and I live 40 minutes from so I I had to ride you used the Taylor Swift album no well I put I forgot about that I just I started driving home and I had to like prop myself up and my legs got tired it was like doing a wall sit the whole way home and I rode a road home and no joke when I got home, my in-laws had just gotten in town. Oh, my God. And so I got to the door and they wanted to hug and I was like, y'all, just,

I got to go take a shower. And I was like, oh yeah, I told them. I was like, this, this happened. And they get a kick. Like, I think they appreciate my, kind of what I bring to the family. Yeah. That we, that I do that, that happens. And it's like, A, it happened, you know. And it kind of brings it out in them. Like, that's the thing about when you tell a story like that, somebody's always going to go, oh, I poo my pants too. Totally. And they have the same story. And you bond with that, okay, one of the girls who has been on my podcast told the story,

and she called me the next day to take it off the podcast. Oh, wow. And I said, listen, you are going to get so much support and people who relate to your story from this. I promise you, if you don't get 20 messages, like, I'll do something. Yeah. And she was like, the next day, she's like, oh my gosh, everyone poops their pants. Yeah. It was so funny.

She was like, I've made friends now, like long lifetime friends through my story. It does. No, it happens. And again, I tell it like, you know, when my kids were getting older and they would have an accident, it would always help. I'd be like, dude, I did that a few years ago. Like, chill out. It's no big deal. It makes me feel better.

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they just they're incredible I mean they're they're so amazing and and because is the 13 year old now old enough to watch the kids all the kids oh yeah yeah yeah we don't i mean we haven't we haven't paid for a babysitter you know if we go overnight well we need somebody you know there but like tonight we're going to a christmas party yeah and she'll just keep them for an hour or two you know she must be one lovely little responsible young lady she's amazing yeah she she truly is she's um we were just really blessed in the first kid department yeah the rest i don't know But, I mean, no, she just really is, you know, Lainey and I have tried to just ask her to just have mercy on us. You know, she's our first.

Yeah. And so we're a little freaked out by everything. Yeah. You know, I mean, like, Instagram, for instance, we're like, I don't know. Yeah. You know, we just, anything social and friends, we're just like, hey, I know this. you know you feel like we're micromanaging you but this is why and did she understand yeah i mean sometimes she's like i need to go to my room for a sec but she's very she's quick to apologize

and be like hey i get it because you know one thing you can throw back at your kids is like especially a girl like her you can be like okay your kid is in the same situation what would you say and she'll be like okay i admit it you're right but i still don't want to do it you know but at least she yeah no that's fine if you still don't want to right but if you can acknowledge it yeah yeah it's neat that sometimes she can at least just be like i get it i just don't like it i just don't get it you're idiots yeah i'm smarter than you yeah that was me yeah you know and it's funny i feel like kids are different now um and so i feel like parents are too but that's what i was going to say i feel like parents now are a little more honest and like having conversations

with their kids where I think maybe back in the day you just like, this is what it is and you, you know, you just have this. Right. Like you didn't, my family, I was a little bit lucky in that. Like, we talked about everything. That's awesome. But I think before that even, you know, you don't have these honest conversations and admit your mistakes and learn from them and talk about it and be vulnerable.

Like I think it was always this parent thing and then you're the child. Right. Where now you're having more of like a respect, mutual respect with the kids. Yeah. Yeah. And it shows like I meet kids all the time. I'm just so amazed by children these days and how they've been treated like adults. Therefore, they're just better adults. They're more mature than I ever was at the ages that they are. I think that way all the time about my niece. She's 11. And I'm like, you at 11 is like so, you're just so much further along in like maturity than I was at 11. And even the way you, you know, you worry about the kids not being able to hold conversations because they're involved in their phones and like, and she will just FaceTime me and like, I contacted. She asks me questions.

And I'm like, I wasn't like that at 11. I know. I was so shy and insecure and didn't even like understand how to be anything but like a stupid little asshole. Yeah. I'm with you. I was the same way. I mean, I acted out for, you know, for attention. would never have, like, sat and had a conversation with an adult. You know what I was like, get me away from old people.

We'll be right back with more off the vine, grape therapy. You're listening to Off the Vine Grace Therapy. Did you do music your whole life? Like were you always? I loved music my whole life. I didn't decide to do it as a job to way late. I feel like I remember. Yeah, this was like after college.

Yeah. I was like, hey, I think I want to be a singer. No, my dad was a music minister before they had me. And then he was a realtor while I knew him. But he, you know, we were at church all the time. And that's where I learned music. Yeah. Was that a church.

Do your kids play or sing? Yeah, you know, I try. I learned with one of my sons that I can really make him hate something that I love. Yeah. If I get too excited about it, you know, and that was kind of sports for my first son is when, and there's a song on the eight track called Chapel. And it's about that. It's about when he popped out, I was like, let's go to Dick's sporting goods right now. You're going to be an athlete.

Yeah, and he's not. And he doesn't love sports. I mean, he loves sports for the pure enjoyment of it, but there's not a, he doesn't have that competitive drive, that spirit. And I don't care. I love him for what he does, you know, is passionate about. But that was a great lesson to me. And so when it came to music, I was like, all right, I'm not going to mention it. Because, you know, in all honesty, I hate to say this because I think people will hear me and be like, oh, he doesn't like his job.

But I kind of look at music and really whatever we do is, it's very temporary. Like, okay, I really loved music. And I chased it. And I still love to make it. But that's not who I am. And it's not what I have to do forever. And so I don't care. I mean, Lila could wake up when she's 50 and be like, I want to write a song.

Yeah. And she can. Or she could, right now, she could be like, I want to be Taylor Swift. And she could just pour her life all into it, you know. But that's her decision, not mine. And so, but they do. Lila sings on this eight track. It was of her own.

Like, it was her. I didn't say, hey. please do you know i'm like hey you can if you want this song and so we had a great time recording it together she sings a song called acceptance speech um and uh name dropping here but i wrote it with kelsey ballerini so that was cool a lot of people want to hear it now because they know she's she wrote it um but you know um one of my sons baler plays drums but you know every now and then i'll be like hey here's a tip in case you want it but i try not to i just try to stay out of it I like that you let them be, you know, their own selves.

Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, here's a deal. Anything, like, was impressed or, like, kind of thrown on you as a kid, okay, maybe we did it. Yeah. But it's that love that takes you to the next level. Yeah. You know, that's kind of how I was as an athlete. My team laughs because I'm like, I mean, I love sports. Yeah.

But I don't know if I love it as much as people would have thought I did growing up. But that was what I did. I mean, that's what my brothers were like, hey, do this. My dad was like, do that. Yeah. So I was like, okay. Like, I didn't, I don't ever remember being like, hey, you're going to sign me up for baseball? I just was.

Yeah. I think that's probably another reason why the kids are more, like, mature and have a mutual respect is because I think that's another thing. Like, I think parents a lot of time, again, I always want to say back in the day, but you know what I mean. Yeah. Like, they just know from what their parents did and what their parents did. And that was always, this is what you're going to do, and this is how you're going to do it, and you don't really have an option. Right. And now we give them options, and I think it's just another thing of mutual respect and growing into actually who they are,

being more comfortable and confident in who they are instead of being told that they should be something else. Right. I think that's huge. I mean, we try to allow, we're not perfect. God, we're so messed up. I mean, all my kids, they will be on a therapist's couch one day and be like, my dad did this and my mom. Well, that's everyone, though. Yeah, but...

We can all benefit from a little therapy. Yes, yes. But, yeah, my daughter, we had a great experience with her with gymnastics. Okay. She just killed it. Yeah. Was it unbelievable? Like, made us so wrongfully proud.

Like, just won everything, and we were like, ah, isn't she amazing? Yeah. She's ours. Like, that's ours. The girl with the gold medal. Like, that's... We did that. You know?

And then one day, she was like... I mean, literally, after like, five years, she was just... like, you know, five years and a ton of money and, like, taking her every day. And it had become our life. We didn't even realize that it. But Laney and I were just living for this, you know. And then one day she was like, I just don't love it, you know. And we were like so sad. We were sadder than she was. And then she quit on her own. She told her, you know, she told her coaches and it was a process. It wasn't like she just showed up one day and was like, I'm out. She notified us. And then she kind of tried it for a few months. And she was like, the passion just

isn't there. And we've seen just a different kid since she quit. We were like, oh, you are a kid. You're not just a Russian robot like that we thought you were, you know, because every conversation was gymnastics. Everything was like workout, gymnastics flips, all this. And now this woman like is blossoming and she's so confident now because of that choice she made herself. We could have easily been like, I don't know, like, you can get a scholarship with us. We're going to make you do that, you know which is which is tough because I think you want them to like succeed at something they're so good at that you like maybe don't even realize that you could be pushing it on yeah so I love that you guys you know like I think that makes a huge difference in a child is to give them choices

or let them have their own choices and decisions to make and I love that she even acknowledges that she just the passion wasn't there anymore and if she doesn't love it why is she doing it yeah and she taught us that that's not hurt like even whether she's gymnast or not she's a gymnast or not she's She's just Lila. Yeah. She's not, you know, that's not her identity. Which, again, going back to art, like, when I was the 16, my image was my base. Right.

I was like, I am base. I am based. See these speakers? That's me. Yeah. Like, which is so funny. Kids are just, they're so much cooler these days. They really are.

I kind of wish I'm, like, jealous of the kids. I'm like, I wish I was that cool back in the day. I've owned who I was. Like, I did not. I didn't even, I remember, and I think I've told this during the podcast, but I remember I didn't even want to go to the vending machine because I thought people were looking at me. Yeah. I get that.

It's so crazy. And like, it's so silly. Or go to the bathroom during class where you were like, no way, I'm raising my hand. Yeah. So I got to go to the bathroom. Uh-uh. It's too embarrassed. Yeah.

Where my kids will be like in the middle of a concert and they'll be like, I have to go pee. Yeah. And they're, you know. Kids really do have more confidence, which they need going into the world that, you know, we're all living in with social media. but they did i i like to hear that you see that in kids because it gives me hope for them they're so creative too like i'm jealous um we just i got a tic-tok or whatever oh yeah please teach me how to do this no i'm learning okay and my my daughter's helping me yeah and um i mean you know a lot a lot of it

i'm like i don't need to look at this or hey this is weird and dumb but a lot of it is like so creative yeah i mean super creative like marketing companies couldn't come up with stuff that genius and this is just a kid you know in their room or whatever they're there haven't been told to not use their imagination right you know they're they're able to allow their brains to go there yeah but it's just genius and i i love how you using like kids as examples to empower my kids i always tell them i'm like you can design a dress like you just draw one yeah draw wherever your head yeah whatever your head imagines and and that's try to put it on yeah you know And those were things I don't think we were told as kids.

Like we were kind of told, hey, do this, do this, go to college and then maybe do a job or whatever. Whereas like now kids are realizing like I can invent things and I can be creative and find weird, fun ways to pay the bills. Yeah. You know? That's so true. And it does have a lot to do with us too, in our generation of how what we want for them. Right. Yeah.

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free shipping. When you go on tour and you're doing this, obviously the kids are at so many different ages that they have to be at school and different, how long are you gone for at a time? So this is a shocker to everyone, my wife homeschools. So we have the weird, we have a the weirdest lifestyle. So we stay up. My wife and I stay up to like two or three. And then we don't sleep while we don't wake up to like 10 or 11. So and our kids are kind of, they're like two hours ahead of us. So they'll go to sleep at midnight and sleep till 10 or something like that. So we're just on this freaky weird Saturday schedule for life. But it's so that, you know, they can come on the road as much as they can. And then when I'm here, they can come to a show. We can just

stay out late. Like, we don't, we don't really have a schedule, schedule. I love that. Yeah, when I'm gone, I mean, I'd say the longest, um, eight days and it's too much. Like if I, when I went to the UK this past fall, or a couple months ago, it was probably like 10, 11, and that's, that's just too much. Yeah. Oh, good.

I love that you can do that. Oh, yeah. I feel bad. Um, my favorite is leave on Wednesday, come back Sunday morning. Yeah. And just do that. Yeah. That's, to me, that's like, okay, I'm working, but I'm also home. And when I'm home, I don't do anything. You're just like, I mean, I'm just hanging. You're a dad. I am. I mean, honestly, my wife would be like, I got to go get cheese from the grocery store. You want to go? And we'll all just go, you know. And so that's how being home is. So that, that's, that's the best thing about my job.

Yeah. Do your kids love, like, watching you perform and. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they love, they're, you know, talking back about how they love. love music like my son he started playing drums because they would come to shows and he his favorite player he would just watch pete wilson play the drums on stage you know and uh they love watching they love being like hey you did this different tonight or you know and stuff like that and they so they're paying attention oh yeah they love watching the crowd and um you know they they they have a good time i mean they but they i think it's kind of like their adventure like you know how kids are um i love being with my kids on the road because Because a hotel to me is just a hotel.

But to them... Oh, it's the best. Ooh. Yeah. Hotel is like crazy awesome. Yeah. Especially if there's a water slide. Oh, yeah.

If there's a pool at all, it doesn't matter where we're... They're... You know, so all those places are just... They love beds. You can jump back and forth from, you know? And they just love... My kid loves notepad, the little notepads at the, you know, the hotel. I know.

It's those little things that I see, and I'm like... like, oh, another, you know, lonely hotel, and they're, they're, they just love it. But, yeah, I mean, they, I don't like to be away from them. That's the hardest part of my job for sure is, is saying bye. I mean, I sadly did not, you know, my sons, they played flag football, and I saw their last tournament, basically, of this season. So that, you know, that stinks. But, I mean, when I'm home, we get to throw and play. And I'm that guy.

I'm all, I'm at every practice, you know, that I can be. be at that's awesome i'm like i kind of want you to adopt me come on we want lany and i were talking about it we're in the we're in the market okay well perfect come on i uh i could really use dude you would love our house yeah there's a lot there is uh there is so much love yeah i can tell it's just um yeah it's just joy yeah it's just so much joy and a couple dogs and oh what kind of dogs we have a golden we're not rescuer everyone probably hate us because we have like real you know that's okay we have a golden doodle and a cavapoo oh okay um cavapoo the name is a hazel and then noly magnolia is the oh i like that yeah

we have two golden retrievers okay um named ramen and pino yeah and those one which cheap and one yeah well it's so funny because those were the names we rescued both of them and those were their names no when we got yeah ramen is great and I was like oh my gosh because he's in ramen he's just such a little noodle yeah and he's so cute and then pino is just such a like blubber like dopey dog it's they're so funny yeah so where did you rescue your dog from south korea of course you did you went abroad yeah i mean it's so crazy because there's this organization called bunnies buddies and so they go to china and south korea and rescue a bunch of dogs because sadly people eat dogs over the

there. Oh my goodness. And so they rescue them from like meat trucks and kill shelters. They eat dogs. Yes. I go and retrievers. Yeah. In fact, Bunny's buddies saves mostly goldens because they're the easiest to abuse over there because they take it so well. It's heartbreaking. So I really could, I did not need another dog, but the dog needed me. Yeah. And now I'm like, can't even imagine my life without two of them. But yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, it's great. So good for you for not a dog. No, just kidding.

I know. I know. A lot of people are like, we get that. No, you do good things. Don't you worry about that. You do good things. Okay. So we're going to play the New Year's game.

It's not really a game. Okay. But you're just going to answer the questions. Okay. New Year's. What's your favorite memory from the past year? This is weird. This is like super deep.

But I became a Christian like four. months ago. No way. First time, like kind of first time or grew up in a church, but like didn't really go that direction. Okay. And when, um, when I told my buddy Craig in a, like, a sushi restaurant, he literally like wept and had to go to the bathroom. He was like so genuinely, lovingly, compassionately excited for me that like he couldn't stand it. And it was like a huge scene in the restaurant, and that was probably my favorite moment of this year. Can I ask how that happened? Yeah, I mean, it's a super, it's a super duper long story, but I kind of, I'll hit the high

points, like, was kind of, like, I had probably a lot of animosity towards God. Like, I don't know if I was an atheist or agnostic. I don't really like study all that stuff, so I don't know what you would have called me, but a lot of anger, family issues to say the least. least that kind of took me off of just a darker path for a little while spiritually. And yeah, I would have said, like, I wasn't a believer to anyone. And then, you know, Lenny and I have had some tough times, you know, financially for sure. And then we met this family, Craig and Laura Cooper.

And they exemplified Christ like we had never, ever, ever encountered on this earth. At the time when they met us, I was an alcoholic. We were pregnant with kid number six. I'm a struggling, like, singer-songwriter who plays, like, restaurants, you know, in Franklin, running out of money, and we had one car. And we shared it. So we were just kind of a lousy sight, honestly, you know. And so anyway, we got to know them, and they just, they basically adopted us.

and our entire family like honestly at that time I was more like to hide your kids had your wife here comes that guy the long hair guy and they were like we love you like thank you for coming

to redeeming grace church you know and so that was very impactful upon me I had a lot of negative wrongful negative feelings just towards Christians in general you know

all I saw was hypocrisy which is now I repent of that I hate that about myself then But that's what I saw. And anyway, this loving family just kind of fell upon us. And my relationship with them kind of started to soften me and changed me. And I wrote a song, actually.

This sounds weird, but I wrote a song called Craig. And it just thanks him for giving us a vehicle. Because what happened was about two years after we knew them, Craig showed up at one of my son's baseball games unannounced, and he had the title to his own van. And he is not a rich guy by worldly standard at all. This was actually, they needed this van, but they gave it to us. And they went out and bought a very meek replacement.

It's not like they went and bought a Lexus. Like they went out and bought another used car. There wasn't a far step above their van, but they had prayed about that. And it was as if to say, hey, I encourage you. And he always liked what I was doing. He was always an unconditionally loving of just my talents and my gifts and was very kind and supportive. But anyway, he gave us that car, and it was really a breaking moment for me because I was very proud. I didn't want to need help.

And I wasn't very thankful when he gave it to me. I did not want to receive the gift. I remember my daughter actually saying, Dad, just take the car. And so anyway, we took it. And as I used the car and that, that, burden was lifted from us, I began to just be filled with gratitude. And so I wrote in this song, and this song is about how, you know, he's not the light of the world, but I wish mine would shine as bright as his, you know. How's it? How's it go? Well, he can't walk on water

or turn at Napa Valley Red, but he just might be tight with a man that did. And it just talks about, hey, you know, he just might know Jesus. And whether I wanted to admit it or not, that's kind of where I was in life. It's like, I don't know. Like, this guy really might know Jesus, you know. So that began to impact me. And this is kind of funny, but I love that you're allowing me to admit this, because I don't think I've said this to anybody, but I was so proud of that song

as a thank you note to him. And it became a single. And as I would go out on the road, I would, want people to be like, wow, what a lyric, you know, but all they heard was Jesus through this song. They didn't hear like, oh, Walker's a great writer. And it would frustrate me. Like, people would stand in line and be like, man, you know, I went to church for the first time after hearing that song. It made me cry. And I'd be like, but I'm good writer, right? You know? And, and, you know, it was just very impactful on people in a way that I was, I was almost pissed. I was like,

Hey, I don't want you to hear that. Like, did you hear, I'm not a Christian? Craig is. Yeah. It's a good song, right? You know, and so anyway. But then success, what happens was success kind of happened to me, which is not always the greatest, like, thing for a human, you know, because you taste it. Yeah.

And then all of a sudden you're like, how do I do that again? And then you also taste it and you go, I didn't fill me up like I thought it would. So then you keep wanting more and keep doing it. Exactly. And so you get on that wheel and then we lost Oakley. And that was our seventh kid, a daughter. My wife carried her nine months. And she was, her heartbeat went away an hour before she was born. And so almost lost Lainey. And so, you know, when you combine all those things, I just was super lost. And empty. I didn't want to do my job. I just thought every job was stupid. I thought writing music was dumb, but the fans that were still continually reacting to, you know, Craig's song impacted me. And I think I was just getting nudged, you know, further and further towards Jesus. And ultimately, I read a book by a girl named Rosario Butterfield and her testimony really impacted me.

It's a great read called Secrets of an Unlakely Convert. And then just one day say, yeah, you know, I could no longer fight that urge. Didn't really know what that, like, meant. Like, I could know more preach the gospel right now than I don't know who, but I am not equipped. I'm just a newbie and just kind of dove off. So, yeah. I know that was a long story. Yeah.

Well, it's not me. You know, I truly feel like, I truly feel like it, you know, for, for once in my life honestly it's that that isn't me that's completely a holy spirit thing i don't think you do that without something supernatural you know happening i was going to say it's like everything that you've gone through in your life has you wouldn't have got to where you are without all of that yeah yeah yeah it is and uh yeah i mean it's crazy it's it's it's like beyond there's a lot of miracles I call them miracles

but one huge one to me is that I can actually look at the loss of a child and say that I obviously want my child back but beautiful things are happening to my household because of the wisdom that we gained by losing Oakley

and that's a miracle that I can say that in a mic I mean, there were times where I wanted to punch every face I saw, you know, during a day. Yep. Because of that just emotion or that hurt, you know. So, yeah, I mean, our house, it is. It's filled with joy, that joy. Yeah.

And it's really helped, you know, I don't know, we look at life in a different way. We look at this industry in a completely different way. I, you know, I merely would like to just be some type of vessel that points to God. Yeah. Everything you say is just so beautifully said. Oh, you're sweet. It is. I feel like I'm just like I don't even have words because I'm like, yes, wow.

I'm just moved. I'm moved by you and your stories and everything that you do to provide, like, love and comfort in your home. and just like, I love how your mind works. Well, thank you. And your heart. Like, it's just really, really special to hear the way you think and operate. Wow, you're sweet. I have a weird, I have a weird brain.

No, it's, I wish my brain function like yours. It's not weird. Well, it can be, but that's not a bad thing. Yeah. It's like beautifully weird. I love that. That's my next single. Walkerhead's the next single.

Beautifully weird. All right. So you guys heard. my recap of Siesta Key, season one from Tuesday's episode, and it was a doozy. But I have to tell you about season two and get you all ready for season three, which is coming up soon. I don't know how you can't be into it after my explanation of it from season one. So, season two gets right into Alex and Juliet's drama. Once again, an old flame of Alex's comes into the picture, along with his old nemesis, Jared, who also used to date his ex-Madison. Chloe tries to stir the pot with Alex

and Juliet by encouraging Kara to interact with Alex in front of Juliet, and we all know how Juliet handles that. Juliet, the poor thing, just wants to be the queen of Siesta Key, and her king doesn't seem to be on the same page. Chloe reveals a huge secret that she's been keeping for two years now, and it shakes up the group, creates an even bigger divide between her and Juliet. Kelsey tries to maintain a long-distance relationship with someone back in L.A., and we can all imagine how that must be going.

Garrett develops feelings for Alex's old flame Kara, which lands her and invite to Juliet's birthday party in Miami, where she fully tells Kara that she doesn't want her there. Ouch. Juliet's insecurities with Alex flare up again. They break up again. The two of them find themselves in a real tough spot when Juliet walks in on Alex with two girls, not one too.

Guys, these people will not quit, I'm telling you. Meanwhile, Brandon somehow convinces his ex-Madison to be in a music video for his new song that he wrote about her when he already has a new girlfriend. This also leads to Madison breaking up with her boyfriend, Ben. Eventually, Juliet and Alex get back together again because he said nothing happened. Well, I did the quotes there. Nothing happened while two girls were sharing his bed with him, and everything is peaches. Wrong.

Chloe gets insider info from a friend who said that Alex was bragging about hooking up with one of the girls, and Juliet finds out, and now things are no longer peaches again. again. The season wraps up with everyone going their separate ways except Brandon and Madison who have decided to rekindle their past relationship that she ended because he cheated on her. My goodness. What a journey it has been, you guys. So something I'm looking forward to in season three is an exciting new guest. And that's Bachelorette's Robbie Hayes. Okay. He's in a relationship with Juliet. Really excited to see what happens here and how Alex handles seeing her with literally anyone else. But wait, Alex also has a new love interest, Alyssa, and I'm sure she's exactly

his type, a female who breathes. That's his type. Madison moves to Los Angeles to try acting and also date an older man who will have to earn everyone's approval. As always, Chloe doesn't approve of anyone's relationship, especially Juliet and Robbies. Since Madison left for L.A., Brandon decided to try and get cozy with Amanda from the friend group who also broke Chloe's nose in season one. Gosh, there's so much to see. All I know for sure is at this point that the friendships and relationships

will continue to be tested. The pot will keep being stirred and with so many newcomers, there is a lot left for us to watch with this group of friends at Cesta Key. Catch up on season two every episode streaming now on MTV.com and the app and get ready to dive

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to off the vine grape therapy do you know one of my favorite songs is still beer in the fridge Oh, thank you. I love that song. You told me about it on the last podcast, and I listened to it, and I was like, wow, I still love listening to it every time I get goosebumps. And, like, it's just so good. I love all of your music. No.

Your music is very unique and refreshing, and it's just such a cool vibe. I love it. Well, thank you. And I love that you love those songs, those types of songs. There's been many men who've shown up at a concert and said, hey, I'm 30 days sober because I heard that, you know, and while it's, you know, while it's fun to, you know, gain status and followers, nothing is cooler than when someone is brave enough to come up. And nothing, nothing ignites your soul to create, you know, is, you know, it's not, it's not, it's not when

someone's like, congrats on your five billion followers. Right. Right. Right. Like, you don't, you're like, oh, yeah, fine. And it's fun to put on a dress, I guess. be like, yay, me. But, like, what really kills you, probably when somebody comes up in a coffee shop and they may have some tears in their eyes and be like, hey, when you all talked about this, like, I needed to hear that. Absolutely. And sometimes I'm guilty of getting lost in the stupid shit.

Oh, yes. You know, so guilty. And then... We were talking about our shoes earlier. Oh, I actually have those same ones, to be honest, with the little green. Yeah. Yeah, I do. You got to have the green.

Yeah, you do. It's very... It's like classic. Yeah, sorry to. No, no, no. But yeah, we get caught in the stupid. I get so caught up in it. And then I'll, you know, someone will tell me, share a story like we were just saying.

And I'm like, oh, my God, perspective. And like, this is why I love doing this. I would do this if I didn't have all of those followers. Like I still, I've always wanted to do something like this. So you really have to remind yourself and like take yourself down a couple notches sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. I feel that.

Well, I guess we'll have a couple more questions in the sweet game. No, yeah. We were going to play a game. Well, I always say, I always have a little segment. Oh, I forgot. That's how that started. Yeah, but that's okay because that's, that's one of my favorite things to hear. So, thank you.

Yeah. Okay, I want to know your favorite song that you released in 2019. So that's this year. Yeah. It's going to be tough. I'm going to say from like a. let's see how like let's just have fun watching people react to this i'm going to say black sheep but um uh close one would be chapel a song for my for my son chapel yeah we so we named him

after billy chapel from the movie for the love of the game have you ever i've heard of it but i don't think it's about it's about a guy succeeding and having everything and then he's just super sad because he has everything, but not the things that matter. So anyway, Chapel is such a unique kid, and we just have a special bond. We're complete opposites, and that's why we work together. Like one-on-one, we just have like a very unique communication level. We enjoy each other's sense of humor. I think he enjoys mine.

That's really great because a lot of kids don't appreciate their parents' sense of humor. No, I think he gets a kid. Honestly, I think he kind of sees me as like kind of a big dummy, which is a, but I think he loves me and respects me as a father, but I think he knows that I'm just like, duh. You're just a grown kid. Yeah, and he's very smart and very wise and like very good at things that I'm not, like math and just it's such a logical brain. Yeah. Isn't it crazy how different they can all be? Oh, my goodness.

I know. night and day every single one of them yes yeah so different but um yeah this song is about me taking him to his first basketball practice and uh i was so jacked i mean because he killed it he had a great practice and i i remember getting in the car like i was like yes and then on the way home i was like so how was it man yeah like he's pretty pretty fun right like i was like endorphins you know, adrenaline, what's going on in your heart? And he was like, Dad, he goes, did you know that there are 274 light bulbs in the scoreboard?

And it just like, I almost cry. I was like, this serves me right. He doesn't care at all about what happened. He was a number's guy. He was. He saw the scoreboard. He did the math. He was right.

It was crazy, and, yeah, the song says, you know, I said, no, man, I didn't, but, hey, our dreams might be different. And then the chorus just says, Chapel, Little Apple, fall as far from the tree as you need to. My love can reach you. But, yeah, he loves the song. And what's cool is that he doesn't love song. Like, he loves techno music and, like, anything game-wise. And, but he loves this song. And so, like, it gets us a moment.

emotional together like if we're in the car I'll turn it up and be like it's good right that's about you yeah he really he he he appreciates it so sweet that meant a lot to me to be able to articulate that I guess for him in my love language in a way that he appreciates it I guess I don't know no that's that's amazing and it's all of your lyrics are just so like I love the way you tell a story thank you and it's all real like it's all it's your life but you do it in such a I don't know how to I mean everyone that's listening

needs to listen to your music because yes you know especially black sheep but yeah it is just really unlike a lot of anyone it's not like anyone else is doing and I just it's so

I just really love your lyrics well thanks I try to encourage all our like I wrote with Kaylee Hammock today and I've got nothing but great things to say about her but you know I encouraged her to do her you know it's easy like you said to get caught up and and be like ah this guy does that and it's working really good maybe I should maybe I should be

a little bit of that but no you know I think that people are most moved from you when when your soul is out there creatively and and I also feel like that's something that that's gold like you possess what no one else does you know like my brain It's not like anybody else. So why would I want to go try to imitate someone else? You know, it took me a while to learn that, but I try to, you know, try to teach my kids that. I was going to say that's just like such a great life lesson, you know, is to, no matter what you're doing in life, is to not try and just do it because somebody else is, and it's not something that you are, like, fires you up. Right.

Because, I mean, we've all done that and we will all do that, you know. And I've, especially like coming out of the show. And then you see other bacheloretts that come off and you're like, oh, should I have been doing that or should I and why didn't I have this? And then again, taking yourself down a couple of not just being like, why would you want that that's not you and that's not who you are. And that's why people, that's how you're going to build the right people around you too is by not trying to be somebody else. Right. Even if, yeah, I mean, even if you're a big dumb, dumb and doing embarrassing things. That's who you are.

Yeah, you've got to own it. Yeah, and that's why people love you. And that's just, it's very important. So I just, I really appreciate our conversation. And I just, really thank you for coming in here again and doing this. And we can't make it two years again. I'm about to say, we got to do it sooner. We should, like, put it in the calendar of the same, we do the same, same day every year.

Let's do it. For the next 30 years. I love that. 30 years. I'm like, oh, God. Okay. My last question for you is what is, I'm not really big into New Year's resolutions, but what's your biggest goal in 2020? Okay.

You know, to maybe not, it has a lot to do with what we're talking about. You know, I could always use this type of conversation to remind me that I am not a famous celebrity. like that's not who I am at heart like that goes away I'm still me and and I'm still a father and um still a husband and um I want to rest in that and uh you know I could always use a little you know you talk about getting caught up and just the race of it all I mean that's that's so hard gosh and I and I uh I would like to think less of that you know worry less about that you know remember that my you know my confidence should come from Jesus like we were talking to and not things of this world you know not to buy into the hype hey if I have a hit

song don't like get on that wave and surf it just have a hit song like yeah okay great I have if I have a flop song don't get in that black hole of depression just have a flop move on yeah you know um and so yeah you know my my wife and my kids thank god you know i have them because they are just visual tangible things that really help me stay you know from those dark places but um yeah just to maybe rest a little more and and you know what is promised uh to me but yeah that and then um you know as far as working out i will say it is definitely it is definitely it it becomes an idol to me and there's got to be a stopping point like i need to like yeah i'm getting old like and i'm kind of like i don't ever take my shirt off anyway

unless they used to be like hey we need to shout for the gram and then and now i'm just kind of like i don't know like it should just be like a to a healthy yes place you know you're doing it but i i i hate working out you do yeah i do um i do it yeah and it makes because it's good for my mental health okay so that's i really if i don't work out i feel like i get in a really bad rut of like depression and anxiety so i do it for my mental health um well i mean and let's be a little i i want to look good too but that's but the main reason is because i just feel like it's such a and that's i i want in for me in 2020 i i want to like remind myself of that and like not not go to the gym because i'm punishing myself for eating the

cheeseburger, you know, like, I'm doing it because it really does make me feel better mentally. Yeah, and that would be, that would be a great way, because I agree with you, for working out does the same for me. But I, I focus too much on the, like, oh, you can see another pack in my abs. Yeah. Do you get excited when you have, like, veins? I mean, I'm a naturally vascular person, so I don't really, like, that's not something I, I'm not like, oh, I need, you know, more veins. I don't know why that was a weird question for me to ask you. Yeah, but no, like I...

Do you like veins? I would love a vein right here. I knew. No, I, yeah, but I, you know, I can get obsessed. I get obsessed with things, too. You know, even working out, it's the same as writing. Like, do you ever feel like, like, even when I'm not accomplishing anything, if I'm trying to accomplish something, sometimes,

it gives me this fallacy, like this false sense of, oh, you are fixing something, but I'm not, I'm just spinning my wheels. Yes. So I would like to not do that next year. You know, like, just try less hard, I guess. He's what I'm trying to say, like, this past week, like, I'm really, it's really tough for me to be off, like, to not have work because I'm always like, is everything okay out there?

Like, do I have a job in January? But, and I'm not going to, like, change anything by, like, going and whittling away in my office. Like, just chill out, watch Elf with the kids. Like, yeah, you know, just relax. Well, I love that. I hope you and your family have such a great holidays. Oh, we will. And we will.

I know you will. I want to be there. Come on. You won't do it. Come on over. Yes, I will. You know, and then I won't. Bring your dogs.

I won't leave. I won't leave. I'm going to bring ramen and Pinot. And I'm going to bring Jason, too, because. Oh, yeah. He really likes your music, too. Oh, good. Yeah.

Okay, I don't know who Jason is. That's, he's my boyfriend. Okay. Yeah. Are you going to get married him? I think so. Oh. Yeah.

But I'm a little jaded because I was engaged before and then I'm like, I don't know, am I? Ha ha ha ha. Are we just going to get a ring on my finger and then not get married? Well, this is like, this is kind of different, right? It's a much different. You got to say. Yes, a much different situation where, yeah, it wasn't like a forced TV engagement. You're not on another show, are you?

No. No. But sadly, he's from the same show. That's okay. Just different season. You've both experienced it. It's true. That's like kind of PTSD.

You're, no, you're right. That you're sharing, which is, that's okay. You're right. I feel like Lainty and I feel that from Mobile. Like, we both kind of have Mobile PTSD and we bonded and we moved to Nashville. Yeah. And that kind of got us going. No, I hear that.

I hear that. And is there anything we miss that you wanted to say? No, we have said it at all. Like, probably said too much. No, never enough. If I could have you on, like, every week for a little, like, reality check and... Come on. Feel joy and love.

But thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Seriously, thank you. And where can people find your TikTok? Oh, yeah. It's Walker Hayes official. And, yeah, we're doing some dances. There's, like, a whip challenge that happens on Black Sheep.

So that's kind of the underlying... Oh, that's cool. I'll learn how to do TikTok and do it. Okay. Okay. I really need, like, a TikTok level. You get a TikTok and then do the... I have a TikTok.

Oh, you do? Yeah, but I don't know how to use it. Well, you need to do the whip. Okay. We'll teach you. Yeah, teach me. We'll do a TikTok after this and you can teach me. Do you really not?

You don't, you just don't use it? I've made three videos and I, it's me being like, I don't know how to do this. That's pretty much it. Marissa will help you. She knows. Okay, good. And then your Instagram and... Instagram and Marissa helps me run that.

Yeah. And then Twitter. Do we have Facebook? I didn't know if Facebook was still like I know it's still a thing and everything's just at Walker Hage right? At Walker yeah. Okay amazing well everybody go follow and

and let's do the whip Do that what it's called? Hey thank you though This really is fun I enjoy this you do a good job Well thank you sometimes I don't articulate things very well but I like You do great I just love the conversation

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