Oh What A Time... - #110 Vaults (Part 2)

Episode Date: May 5, 2025

This is Part 2! For Part 1, check the feed!It’s time to take a look at the most secure places history has to offer, from Scrooge McDuck to Colonel Sanders - let’s look at Vaults! We’ll be off to Ancient Rome, we’ll examine where secret recipes are kept and, naturally, we’re off to Fort Knox. If Tom were a medieval King, he would almost certainly have been Tom the Unready. Not sure the rest of us have nicknames, but feel free to suggest them: [e-mail] you fancy a bunch of OWAT content you’ve never heard before, why not treat yourself and become an Oh What A Time: FULL TIMER?Up for grabs is:- two bonus episodes every month!- ad-free listening- episodes a week ahead of everyone else- And much moreSubscriptions are available via AnotherSlice and Wondery +. For all the links head to: ohwhatatime.comYou can also follow us on: X (formerly Twitter) at @ohwhatatimepodAnd Instagram at @ohwhatatimepodAaannnd if you like it, why not drop us a review in your podcast app of choice?Thank you to Dan Evans for the artwork (idrawforfood.co.uk).Chris, Elis and Tom xSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to episodes of Oh What A Time early and ad free. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts. Hello, this is part two of Vaults. Let's go on the show. So today, I am going to tell you both about the history of the most guarded secrets in the world of food and drink. The idea of a secret recipe is something that can be incredibly useful in terms of marketing. Do you want to sort of try and, name me some of the secret recipe food things that are

out there. What one spring to mind? Coca Cola. Coca Cola. Coca Cola, yep. The Colonel's secret recipe. Yes. It is sort of a secret to my mother's Welsh cakes, but I know for a fact that it's cinnamon.

Just loads of sugar. It's cinnamon. Okay, that's great. Chris, any others? I don't know that. How does it turn the milk so chocolatey? I think that's probably, there's a question about that. Yeah, chocolate, any others? How does it turn the milk so chocolatey? I think that's probably a question. Some sort of chocolate. Yeah. Iron Brew as well is another big one. Is Iron Brew a secret?

You will find out more as I go through this. But you're right, all of these things, it's been part of the story and the success of these drinks and these foods because they kind of create an interest and an idea that this product is better than the rivals. Now arguably the one that is most secretly guarded is what makes Coca-Cola so great. That's one of the big things. They're incredibly guarded when it comes to the ingredients of Coca-Cola. And to guard a secret like that, what do you need? Of course, you need a vault, exactly.

Or at least... Oh, I was going to say a really burly East London gangster. Or at least if you don't have a vault, you need the impression that one exists. So if you were to go to Atlanta in Georgia, one of the museums you can visit there is a place called the World of Coca-Cola. I'd love to go. That's exactly the sort of thing I would love to go and visit, incidentally, where the star exhibit is the Vault of the Secret Formula. That's what it's called. Where the original 1886 recipe is kept under lock and key. Do you find that exciting, the idea that there's a recipe from 1886 that's genuinely in a locked vault?

Only if I can see it. Yes. Because it might not be in there. Well, is that not, well, Schrodinger's recipe? Yeah, but you know, it might just be a little of a receipt or something, or a completely empty vault. Also, isn't that recipe going to be 130 years old? It's going to contain things that don't exist anymore, isn't it?

Didn't there used to be cocaine in Coca-Cola? Yeah, I think there was. There was like a medicinal reason and reasoning behind it in the first place. Now... I've got a flu. Have a line. So the idea of creating this sort of air of mystique came from the company's founder, a guy called Asa Chandler. He bought the rights to the recipe from its creator, who was a chemist and pharmacist by the name of John Pemberton in 1888. I don't love the idea of

a drink that's been made by a pharmacy. It doesn't feel like it comes from a place of culinary love, does it? Well, you know, I'm going to disagree with you there, because some of the finest fizzy soft drinks come from a pharmacy, I associate with pharmacy, and the prime one is leukazate. Right. Is that not just what you're handed when you're ill? Or you're saying it has actually been made by a pharmacist? Well, I don't know. I associate with pharmacists, particularly glass bottle leucosate. Yes, yeah, yeah.

It seemed to have more of a medicinal quality in a glass bottle. But if you went into the chemist and the pharmacist was behind the till, stirring a big pot of orange sparkling liquor. Yeah. There was also a really... A barocca. Yeah. In the 1980s, it was also a really delicious banana flavoured antibiotic. Oh, yes.

That my GP used to hand out like sweets. And I've been read about it now, an antibiotic resistant, someone who does deep gut health, probably not great, but my God, I love that stuff. 8586, I was loving it. If they brought that back and it was just in a bit like feeling unwell, have this miracle banana drink that tastes great. Bring it on. My kids almost never have antibiotics, whereas I was giving them all the time in the 1980s.

You're five a day, wasn't it? What's wrong with him? You watch too much telly? He stubbed his toe. Give him some antibiotics. So Asa, he buys his recipe, he's got this recipe in hand and from there he starts to develop the business and on the 1st May 1889 he takes out a full page advertisement in the Atlantia Journal proclaiming the company as the sole proprietors of Coca-Cola, delicious, refreshing, exhilarating, invigorating. And it's from this point that the idea of a protected secret recipe begins for Coca-Cola. However, it wouldn't be until after the First World War that the

idea of it being locked in a vault springs to life. Now, by this time, Asa Chandler, he's gone into politics, he sold the business to a group of investors led by a man called Ernest Woodruff, who was a fellow Atlantean. Woodruff then used the recipe, which was written out for him by Chandler's son Howard, as collateral for a bank loan. I love this. He went into a bank. The card was then placed in the vaults of a guaranteed trust company in New York City where it remained until 1925, so it does exist, when Woodroffe was able to repay his debts and retrieve the asset. Now, do you think you have a recipe for anything you cook that is so good it could be used as collateral for a bank loan? If you went into Barclay tomorrow, what recipe

are you taking in and are you having much hope? I make a nice risotto and the key to it is an amount of red wine that is considered by everyone who sees me doing it as insane. I've made pasties. My pasties weren't great. And then I talked to someone from Cornwall and she said, salt. Is that what it gets you? You just need to basically give, give your guests a heart attack and then if you put

more salt than is sensible your pasties will be nice. Well let's play this out. I'm the bank manager, you're coming in, you want a bank loan, all you've got is one of the recipe of one of those two things. Play it out, let's see if it works. Hello, sir thank you for coming in, how can we help? I'd like to borrow £30,000 please. £30,000, what's that for, can I ask? It's for a business idea. Unfortunately, if you look at my income, I would be unable to pay that back at a kind of rate that you would find acceptable, however.

Oh, I'm interested by the however. I noticed you holding a small piece of paper. I have a recipe, well, it's just one word really, but it's a secret to make pasties. Absolutely fantastic. Now, the only problem with it is, if you put too much of this ingredient in the pasties, you kill all your customers because they'll all have heart attacks. But if you try one, I can guarantee to you that you'll lend me the money. So would you like to try one of my pasties? Can you tell me what that ingredient is? The ingredient is, and I think the technical term is,

a fucktonne of salt. And nothing else. I'm so confident that works. I'm willing to give you the money and there's no need to pay it back. Thank you very much. Well done, Ellis J. Congratulations. So this is what happens.

Acer Chandler goes in, he takes this recipe of Coca-Cola, he gets the bank loan he requires, and then in 1925, when the debts were paid, it is still there and he retrieves it. And so the notion of this securely guarded vault began. On his return to Atlanta, the card was then placed in the vaults of the Trust Company of Georgia, its home until the opening of the bank vault exhibit at the World of Coca-Cola in 2011. So it is still there in 2011. From

there, if you go and visit the World of Coca-Cola, you can go and see the same recipe that was written over a century ago. It does still exist. The thing is, I don't want this to sound like an advert for Coca-Cola, but none of the other colas taste the same. Yes. What? And also Panda, Panda have done a specially bad job. Absolutely. But all the other colas are in a similar ballpark.

Yeah. And I would include Pepsi in that actually, but there is something in Coca-Cola and I don't know what it is, but it just, well, obviously whether you like it or not is a question of taste, but it's definitely different. Absolutely. And also it's not a taste that exists in the natural world. A bit like Lucasate. Like there's nothing else that tastes like Coca-Cola. Yeah, there's no... there isn't a Coca-Cola plant.

You can't grab a berry off a tree and think that tastes like Coca-Cola. And also, boy can it clean a coin within 24 hours. And what other drinks can you say that about? You put a two-pea coin in a pint of milk, you just got a milk for two people in 24 hours later, Coca-Cola got a clean coin. Exactly. Now, this mythology was so successful that inevitably other companies followed suit. For example, I mentioned them earlier, Iron Brew has its

own secret recipe, which they claim is known by only three different people around the world. It's also claimed that the recipe card is housed in a bank, and I love this little point, in a bank vault either in Scotland or Switzerland, but they're not willing to say which one. So they're saying there is a vault, but we're not going to tell you where it is. And indeed, the cans of Iron Brew don't give everything away either. We know that Iron Brew contains 32 ingredients, okay? But on the back it says simply carbonated water, sugar, acid, flavourings, sweeteners, colours, and it has a few little things like aspartame, quinine and citrate, but there's far fewer than the 32 ingredients that we know are in Iron Brew. The full list of ingredients is not divulged from the can, which I'm quite surprised they can still do that in 2025.

I thought you just had to list everything. Just list some of it and then tap your nose for the rest. It seems remarkable that we're in an era where you have to list everything, this idea of secret recipes still exists. We should know what the 12 Herb and Sice spices are, shouldn't we? They must have applied for special dispensation to do that. Can you apply for special dispensation? What if you're allergic to one of those things?

Yeah, good point. It's a very good point. Dear Iron Brew, if you're listening. What's it going to be as well? It's going to be something. Dear I am Brew, if you're listening. What's it gonna be as well? It's gonna be something like, Oh, yes, sorry, it's peanuts. Yeah, it's gonna be horse hair, eye of noot stuff, isn't it? It's old oysters. Bit of shin pass.

Shit pass. However, there was one man who took the story of a secret recipe in a vault to a whole new level and that was a man by the name of Colonel Harland Sanders. Now Colonel Sanders, as you've seen from the KFC logo, was a Kentucky businessman who made a fortune selling fried chicken from a roadside gas station. So he was real? He was real, yeah. He sold fried chicken from a roadside gas station in Corbyn, Kentucky.

I told my kids that was just a marketing thing. Oh, did you know? He's a real man. You're thinking of Uncle Ben, aren't you? Isn't he fictional? Well, Uncle Ben, if you're listening, hello at owhotime.com. Isn't he fictional? Uncle Ben if you're listening hello at owhotimes.com Not only Ellis is he real he also spent six years perfecting the original recipe of 11

herbs and spices. Six years? He really threw himself into this. A time of dedicated work and perfection and when eventually... Can I just stop you Tom? Please do. I don't think six years is long enough. How long do you think it should be? One per week, one per spice?

Colonel Saunders is an old man. Yeah? Because that's basically a hobby. Isn't it? Like six years... I want to hear that someone's been fixing a chicken recipe for thirty years, forty years. But there's only so much you can do with chickens, isn't there? Well, you can't question the fact that it's paid off. The six years have worked. All right, fine, Marmite.

Put bloody Marmite on it. See, you want, I don't know, you want a bit longer, don't you? All right, yoghurt and fags. Put some bloody cigarette ash on it. I don't know, I've been at it 30 years. I don't care anymore. Six years, which you think is not enough time. He thought it was. He perfects it. He writes down the recipe of 11 herbs and spices. He puts it in his wallet. And then over the years, this piece of paper in his wallet grows thinner and more and more raggedy until one day, Sanders asked his

secretary, a lady by the name of Shirley Topmiller, to make a copy and this is what she recalled. This is a quote, when the printed copy came out I saw enough to know I was looking at a recipe so I rushed back with both pieces of paper and said Colonel you cannot walk around with this in your pocket and so just like the Coca-Cola and Iron Brew situation the KFC original recipe was then placed into a vault, this time housed in KFC's headquarters in Louisiana, Kentucky, alongside a vial of each of the 11 ingredients for the rub. And were you to open that vault today in 2025, sure enough, you would still find a single sheet of notepaper, which is yellowed with age. It's pungent with the smell of

the spices. It gives the exact measurements, all written in pencil and signed by the Colonel, like the holy grail of fast food is still there. And Chris is saying six years is not long enough. Six years is not long enough. But look at the success of a company. KFC has done well at Chris. I think we can. They're making it so people, loads of people must know what it is. Isn't it all compartmentalised?

So the ingredients don't come in with labels as what it is. Isn't it all compartmentalised? So the ingredients don't come in with labels as what they are. It's like part one or part two. And so you've got no idea. Okay. They're not delivering like, I don't know, 10 limes and Cajun powder or whatever. It's all anonymised. It's definitely salad cream in it. Okay. Actually, all it says on the piece of paper, L, is a shitloads of salt. It's the capacity It's your pasty all over again. So there you go, this is where it came from. The idea of the secret recipe garden of old all came really from Coca Cola. That's where it came from. And this idea of sort of creating... It's a narrative, it's a story. That's what it is, isn't it?

Yeah, it is, isn't it? It's a great bit of marketing, isn't it? It really is. And, well, it's worked. Fair play to them. Well, I'm going to take you not that far away from the KFC recipe vault, actually. And it's the most famous vault in the world, Fort Knox. Or, to give it uh its proper title the United States Bullion Depository which now houses about half of the U.S. gold reserves or 147.3 million ounces. Wow! Even Scrooge McDuck is like, that's a lot of money. That is a lot of money.

Announced in 1935, completed in 1936 during the presidency of Franklin D. Roosevelt. Four Knocks was designed to concentrate federal reserves in one highly fortified location. British press at the time declared it as Ali Baba's cave. You would think that they spread it out a bit, but no, they just decided to make it super, super safe. Now, previously the US treasury had vaults in New York and Philadelphia,

but they were considered vulnerable to attack by sea. So a decision was made to move the gold in land. So a similar policy on the West Coast led to the shift of gold from San Francisco to Denver and Colorado, which is the country's other gold reserve depository. So the split at the time was a third in the West and two thirds in the East. So during the Second World War, following lessons learned in Britain when national treasures were moved out of London

and placed for safekeeping in remote areas, including tunnels under the National Library of Wales in Aberystwyth and a tunnel complex in Bristol. Because if you've got national treasures under the National Library in Aberystwyth, you're like surely Hitler's not going to go for the National Library of Wales. Surely not. We must seize the National Library of Wales. Yeah yeah. So the USBD, the United States Bullying Depository, housed the original copy of the Declaration of Independence and the Gettysburg Address. It wasn't just money in there. There was like a time

of war, let's take, let's put some national treasures in there as well. Very briefly, I had an incredible story about someone who lives near here in East London. I can't remember exactly what area it is in East London, you may know this. It was a guy who, when he died, they went under his house and they found these tunnels going from his house. I think it might have been in Leytonstone possibly. And they realised this guy just

loved digging tunnels. And like, under all of the streets, so far, there were just tunnels everywhere under people's houses. He just completely, utterly structurally unsound. Just tunnels everywhere. I know. Amazing that there wasn't some terrible accidents. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, love digging tunnels. I'm from Carmarthen in West Wales, which often describes itself as weird as old as towns.

And a lot of the buildings in town are very old. So there's like, what I used to know was the Angel Vaults pub. And apparently there's tunnels underneath that going towards the castle and towards other sort of old buildings. But they've all been blocked up now, but they were their sort of medieval tunnels.

But this bloke, he was just a guy who loved digging tunnels. Yeah, he just loved it. Like he would finish work, basically come home and then just start digging. Oh, an odd way to unwind. Further and further out underneath the high street or whatever. Yeah.

For like 40 years. The thing with Fort Knox, it is a metaphor, it's a byword for absolutely secure. Yeah. You know, and it's one of those things like, if you locked a door more than once, when I was a kid people would go, oh, where do you live? Fort Knox, is it? Fort Knox? Oh, oh. In the same way that if you took more than three seconds to take a photograph, basically if you offered any sort of care and attention to your photography, people go, oh David Bailey, David Bailey. If you were pretty or twiggy,

oh it's really twiggy. Or if you were interested in animals, bloody, oh David Attenborough. Or David Bellamy. David Bellamy, yes, yes, David Bellamy. Any comment on the weather would be Michael Fish when I grew up. Yeah, and if you had like a crook lock on your car because it was full of car theft in Swansea. What was he doing bloody hell in Fort Knox? The one I heard a lot when he started growing up was if you were walking a bit fast it'd be, all right Nigel Mansell.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or, because my dad, you know, my dad grew up in the 50s, if you drove your car quickly, what did you think it was? Stirling Moss? Stirling Moss. I'll give you one more and see if you can guess this one. It's the London one again. When there's lots of people passing through a small, maybe your front room.

There's lots of people moving around in your house. Piccadilly Circus. Piccadilly Circus. It's got the Piccadilly Circus. Piccadilly Circus. Is that the bloody Piccadilly Circus in it? There's something nice and sort of comforting and secure about these phrases. They're very 20th century. There they really are. David Bailey.

There he is. David Bailey. If you had a home video camera, bloody Spielberg over there. Spielberg. Spielberg. Oh, if you pick up something heavy. Alright, Geoff Capes. Geoff Capes. Geoff Capes. Geoff Capes.

Geoff Capes. Geoff Capes is a byword for strength for about 20 years. The design features of Fort Knox are what makes it famous. The door to the vault is 53 centimetres or 21 inches thick. It weighs 18 tonnes and it has a 100-hour time lock, operable by members using separate dial combinations. As the London Daily News put it, when the vault opened in the autumn of 1936, fires, explosions and earthquakes cannot harm it. Craxmen cannot get through its defences. The Daily Express added, responding to the transfer

of gold early in 1937, it reminds us of the funerals of the Pharaohs. Well, do you know what is a concern though for someone like Tom if he was in charge of Fort Knox, could you make something too secure that if the key was lost you could never get in? Do you know what I mean? Can something be too secure? What happens then? You close the door behind you and then you're like, oh god. Tom rings his mother-in-law, you haven't got a spare key of it, no. Then it's all lost. Spare key for Fort Knox.

I think my mother-in-law's got one actually. Trying to do that thing where you push a piece of A4 paper underneath the door and then try and knock the key through so it lands on it and you can slide it underneath the door. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Calling the local locksmith. It's either that or starting a new currency, isn't it really?

Yeah. We don't it really? Yeah. But we don't use those coins anymore. Can Timpsons do Fort Knox? I mean they're very good. I'd be wandering around saying the phrase, well we're more of a cashless society now, aren't we anyway? Yes. And really, repeating the fun.

Can't wait for them to invent chip and pin in about 70 years time. Now none of this was ever supposed to be made public. So like all the best secrets, it survived in the public domain as a reference point for film, television, radio, and pulp literature. So think of the scenario in Ian Fleming's 1959 novel Goldfinger, known as Operation Grand Slam, or the classic 1964 film adaptation, which sees Sean Connery's James Bond defend

the stored bullion from irradiation at the hands of evil genius Goldfinger. So we've been obsessed with the implications of an impregnable vault for decades. Because it is the thing you think of when you think of something as impregnable is Fault Knox. I used to have a... I remember reading about it in books when I was very little, you know, it's just... You're like, you cannot break into Fort Knox. Yeah. So as early as 1937, Hollywood was in on the act with behind the headlines produced by Archaeopictures.

So its storyline involved the theft of a gold shipment on its way to Fort Knox. There's a 2014 classic, Penguins of Madagascar, which the animated fish guzzlers set out to break into Fort Knox to see the vending machine. It's still cropping up. And, you know, we're not really interested in the fact that Fort Knox has got all the gold. It's rather, it's more what it does for the public's imagination because there are lots of conspiracy theories. So back in 1974, Peter Bieter, who was a politician and a banker, who served in the Kennedy administration, spread a rumor that all the gold had been removed

from Fort Knox until it was empty. Wow. The gold he claimed had been given to the Rockefeller family is part of a great, obviously rather typical conspiracy involving the Kremlin and international Zionism. Okay. So it's classic conspiracy theory stuff, but he was so obnoxious

the delegation from Congress was compelled to visit the vault to prove otherwise and that shut him up. But it didn't prevent further conspiracies from circulating. So the Republican Party today is rather fond of all that. I mean Donald Trump is calling for audits to prove the existence and persistence of the Fort Knox Bullion. Oh really? Because I think he just likes sowing chaos. Yeah, absolutely.

He just likes creating chaos. But does he know what the day trip, because it's so secure, isn't there something like only one president has been down there or something like that? Does he just want the day trip? Yeah, well, very recently Trump hinted that he would personally tour the facility. And were he to do so, he'd be the first president since FDR to inspect footnotes. Wow. And FDR only did it because of the unique circumstances of the Second World War, which I think he went in 1943. So those who were around in the 40s, those ideas would have been silly. But Americans have been poking fun at it all for decades.

So there was a fictional radio character, Senator Beauregard Claghorn, who was a staple of the Fred Allen show of that period. And he was from the Deep South, so he was mistrustful of Yankees from the North, as well as anyone from abroad. And he was the model for Foghorn Leghorn in the Warner Brothers cartoons. And so he came up with this joke, when I'm elected, I'll change the guards of Fort Knox and send the Englishmen back home. Like it's been a weird thing that's cropped up in the American national imagination for decades, right? But we're not gonna end with conspiracy theories.

We're gonna end with a little bit of light relief. Now in 1947, the lyricist E.Y. Yip Harburg, who'd scored a big hit before the Second World War with Somewhere Over the Rainbow, turned his attention to Fort Knox. So he penned the play Finian's Rainbow with his friend and collaborator Fred Sadie. It was adapted into a film starring Fred Astaire and Pacheola Clark in 1968 by no less than Francis Ford Coppola. And this was a scenario and Irishman and his daughter steal Leprechaun's pot of gold and escape island for America. I mean, you wouldn't. I don't think you could even get a meeting with the person who can get you a meeting

with the person who can get you a meeting with the important person. If that was your idea, these guys. You've got to get a meeting with your own agent. Can I please chat to you about this now? Send in a voice note to Sarah Emily, my agent, saying, I've got an idea. Hear me out. An Irishman and his daughter steal an epicon's pot of gold

and escape Ireland for America. So they plan to bury the pot in the ground near Fort Knox, believing that its proximity would cause the gold to multiply. Now, at this point, Emily stopped listening to the voice note, OK? She's left the WhatsApp group. Yeah, yeah. And they would become rich beyond their wildest dreams.

Okay. It was a belief partly in the possibilities of America, and, you know, the sort of rich soil in which to plant the seed of success. But it had an awful lot of resonance. Because the thing with Fort Knox, it is just there as part of, you know, American, certainly 20th century American history, it's just one of those things that crops up again and again and there's conspiracy theories about it and it's still a byword for locking your door. Oh, bloody footlocks. Yeah. I mean, but it's not a place to forget your phone. People are sort of, basically humans are obsessed with the idea of things you can't break into or

things you can't break out of. And things you're not allowed to see. So Alcatraz being an example. Yes, it's a great show. And prisons in general. And also the same here, the idea of breaking in great wealth. Can you get into these two things? It's fear and the potential of huge wealth. In terms of the things that make our minds tick, there's definitely something there.

Look at the number of prison movies. Look at the number of some of- Yeah, because it just sparks imagination. Exactly, exactly. And also people are very motivated by the idea of a genius. And so if you do get a genius who breaks out of Alcatraz or who breaks into Fort Knox,

they're the films that make you think, ah. Which of the two is the final thing would you like your chances most at? Breaking into Fort Knox or breaking out of Alcatraz, which you think you're gonna, if you had to do one or the other. I would not know where to begin breaking into Fort Knox. Breaking out of Alcatraz,

I reckon I could get out the window, fall, slip, fall and then get dashed on some rocks. Let me push the idea of why you should choose the Fort Knox option. It's because you can just spend quite a long time trying and failing and not having to go through the ordeal of also being in a maximum security prison. Yeah, you could go home at night. Exactly, yeah. And go, I didn't manage it darling. Anyway, what are we watching on Netflix? Watch a bit of Telly, yeah. Exactly, yeah. So I think if it ever, if anyone ever comes to you with those two options,

I implore you boys, please, please go for Fortnok. What happened to All What A Time? I actually like that podcast. Oh, well, Tom and Chris are still up for it, but Ellie's got dashed on some rocks trying to escape after she tries to prove her point. Well, that's it for this week. Thank you for listening to Vaults. If you want even more Oh What A Time, we do two bonus episodes every month. We've got recent book reviews include Citizens by Simon Sharma, Hitler by Ian Kershaw, Starzyland, which is out very soon, if not out already, which Ellis has reviewed. There's lots more bonus content, extra correspondence episodes and episodes early. Do become an Oh What A Time full-timer. To sign up you can go to owhatatime.com. And one final little request, if you do enjoy the show,

one way you can really help spread the word and something that really makes a huge difference to the show is to leave us a five-star review and to write something nice. I think we're like three away from a thousand now and we'd love to tip over. It really makes a huge difference to us and would mean a lot. So if you have the time that would be wonderful. If you write the one thousandth Oh What A Time review on Apple what do they get Ellis? They get access to Fort Knox. No I haven't cleared that. I need to send some emails. But you know, leave it with me. Bear with. Yeah.

Yeah. If you are the winner, just head down to Fort Knox. Ellis will sort it out in the meantime. Just get yourself in the vault and he'll deal with it. Yeah, get yourself down there. We'll do the rest. Thank you so much guys. We'll see you very soon. Take care. Au revoir.

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