Oh What A Time... - #127 Revolting Peasants (Part 1)

Episode Date: July 27, 2025

This week we’re discussing some of history’s most revolting peasants! Now no episode like this would be complete without rumoured West Ham fan Wat Tyler, plus we’ll have the New York st...ory of Dr Smith Azer Broughton, and we’ll hear from the Kulaks that riled against Stalin’s rule in the 20th century.And this week we’re talking about historical marketing offers that went wrong. Sunny Delight turning you orange! McDonalds and the olympics in the 80s! What else have we missed? hello@ohwhatatime.comIf you fancy a bunch of OWAT content you’ve never heard before, why not treat yourself and become an Oh What A Time: FULL TIMER?Up for grabs is:- two bonus episodes every month!- ad-free listening- episodes a week ahead of everyone else- And much moreSubscriptions are available via AnotherSlice and Wondery +. For all the links head to: ohwhatatime.comYou can also follow us on: X (formerly Twitter) at @ohwhatatimepodAnd Instagram at @ohwhatatimepodAaannnd if you like it, why not drop us a review in your podcast app of choice?Thank you to Dan Evans for the artwork (idrawforfood.co.uk).Chris, Elis and Tom xSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Wandery Plus subscribers can listen to episodes of Oh What A Time early and ad free. Join Wandery Plus in the Wandery app or on Apple Podcasts. Hello and welcome to Oh What A Time. It's a history podcast. This week we are talking about revolting peasants and it was only yesterday that I was on social media and a clip came up of Ellis James talking to the Welsh ladies squad about the Euros and also testing some Marks and Spencer's products. And do you know what I did straight after that? I went to Marks and Spencer's. So this is me saying advertising works. Yeah. Not enough people are open about it actually saying that it works, but it really does. My immediate reaction, Skull, was I wonder what he's getting for that.
Starting point is 00:00:55 At least at least a prawn sandwich. Yeah, I'd hope so. Oh, I've got so many ginger and turmeric shots in my house now. Were you given freebies by Marks and Spencer's? No you weren't. We did get to eat stuff on the day. Oh, that'd be my absolute dream. But no, Izzy used to do the VO for one of the big tea bag companies, Tetley maybe, or
Starting point is 00:01:19 PG Tips, I can't remember which one. But the idea, or the people assume then that your house has got 75,000 free tea bags in it, but no, you're paid in money, not in the product itself. In terms of supermarket freebies, I had a job once. When I was in my year out, I worked in a bakery and still some of the happiest times of my life were at the end of your shift. If you timed it with the closure of the supermarket, you'd then get to hoover up all the massively reduced things. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:49 And they would even let you reduce, if it was your section, basically reduce it to whatever you wanted to reduce it to. So it would be like a penny for Jam Donuts or whatever. Oh nice. Because you had the yellow sticker thing. It was amazing. What a rush. So what, you're reducing the product and then immediately scooping them up?
Starting point is 00:02:05 Absolutely. This is literally as it's closing. So there'll be incremental reductions. The doughnuts wouldn't immediately go to a penny. Sounds like a game show. Is it like the stock exchange? Is it like the Nasdaq? In a way, yes. Huge fluctuations. So let's say it's three hours towards the end of the shift, you've still got loads of donuts left They're going down by 50% and every hour you pass it's going more and more and more and at the end when it's just the staff They're they're going to a penny and everyone's going to you have to go through the till. That's the funny thing
Starting point is 00:02:35 You still have to go through the till to buy. Yeah, this just sounds like a game show This sounds like something that's absolutely massive on primetime telly in South Korea. I remember when I was at university I went to a Drink the Bar Dry night, I'm sure we've been to one of those before. And do you know what they did, I don't know if yours was like this, they put a DVD on the big screen of drink prices. So it was like a two hour DVD, again like the Nasdaq, and it'd be like, Cider's now £1.50, quick, get to the bar! Like Blue Wicked, well Blue Wicked's gone up.
Starting point is 00:03:07 So the price is shifting throughout the evening. Yeah, they were shifting throughout the evening. That's so great. I remember someone told me, I can't remember which university this was, it was like drinks for a penny, but for like five minutes or 10 minutes. So obviously huge queue at the bar. So someone queued at the bar
Starting point is 00:03:25 and then put like 20 quid by the bar and said, I'd like to buy a drink forever or please. And they had to keep serving, which obviously I've sort of bankrupted. So then the offer came to an end. You've got to limit the drinks. I think it's happened somewhere in North Wales, Rexham maybe. There was an offer where drinks were free or very, no it can't have been free, but they were extremely reduced as long as no one went to the toilet. But then you had sort of gangs of people by the toilet threatening people who were desperate for a piss. Like a picket line?
Starting point is 00:04:00 Yeah. A piss-it line. Oh my, fantastic. Very good. Fantastic. Surely you don't just nip outside and wee in the street. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's the kind of behaviour it caused. I think that is why that kind of initiative is no longer around. Do you know what are the big selling things in America? It's really in America these things sell. I think they're called like the stadium pal. Have you heard about this? Basically, not to be too graphic, it's a hose that goes over a man's penis and then it goes into a bag which you then held in your trousers and people wear them to sports stadiums so they can drink and never have to go
Starting point is 00:04:38 and queue for the toilet and you just sort of urinate throughout the game while you're watching the games or whatever happens to be there. It's like massive in America. It's a really big thing. I don't know. I, I went to football match on Saturday night away and I actually did miss a goal. Right. I think the alternative of sitting there with a sort of plastic bag full of my own accumulated pace over the previous couple of hours is I don't think missing a goal is worth it. I don't think iting the Gull is worth it. I don't
Starting point is 00:05:05 think it's that bad. I'll watch The Gulls back on High Nights. Yeah, yeah. I watched it on my phone a minute later on social media. It was absolutely fine. Yeah. Do you think medieval taverns ever had like happy hour or drink the bar dry nights where it was like all mead was suddenly half a groat or whatever? Do you think it was miserable hour because it was middle ages, everything's so drab and miserable? Yeah, not quite so depressing hour at the medieval tavern.
Starting point is 00:05:30 Oh, Monday night is turnip night! Hey! Spicy turnip night on a Tuesday, absolutely. If any historians are listening and have any inside scoop on that and whether taverns did reduce drinks offers, I genuinely would like to know. I tell you what as well, we covered this, didn't we, with the McDonald's promotion during the 80s, during the Olympics in the 80s that went wrong because the Soviet Union, the Eastern Bloc pulled out of that offer, the burger offer. What offers, similar to
Starting point is 00:05:58 Drink the Bar Dry, 20p Shots, has there been any other marketing offer throughout history that has really exploded in the face of the company organising it? Interesting. The one that I remember is, well, it's not actually a marketing ploy, it's more an advert. The Sunny Delight advert where it was at Christmas and the snowman drunk Sunny Delight and went orange. Do you remember that? Oh, yeah, yeah. And then around that time, they realised that if you drunk quite a lot of Sunny Delight,
Starting point is 00:06:24 it would basically change. You too would go off. It would give you jaundice. And so it was really, it was pushing an idea that they didn't want out there in the mainstream. But yeah. Now, Al, you talk about Turnip Tuesdays in these medieval taverns. Do you know who would like Turnip Tuesday? It is a peasant. A medieval peasant would like Turnip Tuesdays. And today's episode is all about that lot. It is about peasants from the past, peasants revolting. It's going to be a really fun and interesting episode. Should we talk about what we're going to be talking about today? We'll do a bit
Starting point is 00:06:58 of correspondence and then we'll jump ahead first. Great idea. It's going to be fun. Later today, today I'm gonna be telling you about some incredibly brave people who stood up to Joseph Stalin, who if you're not aware was not a great guy. Yep, no thanks. He would have been a good guy. He'd have been able to do what he wanted if I'd been around him. Yep, carry on Joseph.
Starting point is 00:07:20 Chris, what are you doing? Late 1830s we're heading to the US to examine a peasant's revolt led by none other than Dr Smith Azzur Broughton. And I'm discussing the OG, the big man, Watt Tyler. Looking forward to talking about him. Right, before we get into Watt and all the fun stuff around him, let's get into some correspondence. Our email today that I wanna pick out
Starting point is 00:07:45 is from Thomas Pritchard. Now, what I was taken by was not the actual email itself. It was the follow-up email, which I will, as I explain this, you'll see why I might be taken aback by this. Thomas Pritchard has said, "'Evening, gents. "'Whilst ambling back to my hotel room,
Starting point is 00:08:03 "'while staying away for work, I've stumbled upon the attached, having only listened to the episode early today whilst traveling to the Lake District where you discuss niche regional museum leaflets at B&Bs. Now listeners will know that we'd be talking about the fact we love those leaflets you find in B&Bs tell you about the weird things you only find
Starting point is 00:08:21 in a five mile radius of that B&B. I want you to send in examples of sort of basically underwhelming things in Britain that you can visit. He said, I found the wheat among the chaff godspeed and he sent in a picture of this leaflet. Fortunately, he hasn't actually sent in the leaflet. So we quickly got another email that says, in a Tom Crane-esque balls up, I've click send and not attached. Now this can't become a thing that I'm seen as a sort of person that balls up everything in my life. In a Tom Crane style balls up. What he's used you as is shorthand. Shorthand for a cockatoo.
Starting point is 00:09:01 A byword for calamity. Is this what I've become? It would be a real shame if the listeners started referring to you as Calamity Craze. I thought my main traits were warmth, speed of mind, that sort of thing. No, that is not what people notice. I think that's mainly me. Well, here we are. Let's see what he has attached with the second email. And to be fair to him, it is superb. It is a leaflet advertising the Derwent Pencil Museum. It's a museum that celebrates all things pencils and its claim to fame, according to the front of the leaflet, is it's the home of the world's largest coloured pencil.
Starting point is 00:09:41 Wow. There you go. OK, I think I found it. It's 7. pencil. Wow. There you go. OK, I think I've found it. It's 7.91 metres tall. So it's taller than a house then. Oh my gosh! It is huge! Wow, it is massive.
Starting point is 00:09:53 OK, it's the size of a car. It's about the size of a Spitfire. It is absolutely massive, this pencil. Where is it? It's the River Durban. It's in Derbyshire, isn't it? It's in Keswick, in the north-west of England it? It's in Keswick in the north west of England. Oh okay. And to be fair it looks great. I'll give them it's due.
Starting point is 00:10:11 Yeah I was getting ready to be really cynical about it but now I've seen a picture I actually need to see it in real life. I was going to say in the flesh. I now want to go to the Derwent Pencil Museum more than I want to do anything in the world. So thank you very much for that email, even though you have suggested that it's a Tom Crane-esque balls up, which I refute. I think I'm a man of a great mind who's very organised, who rarely makes mistakes. If you want to get in contact with the show, there are many ways to do it and here's how. All right you horrible lot, here's how you can stay in touch with the show. You can email
Starting point is 00:10:49 us at hello at earlwatertime.com and you can follow us on Instagram and Twitter at Earl Watertime Pod. Now clear off. So at the end of today's show, I'm going to be telling you about a very brave portion of society stood up to classic bad guy Joseph Stalin. Nice. And then we're going to North America for my part, where we're talking about a peasant's revolt over there. So I'm going to be talking about Watt Tyler, the OG when it comes to peasant revolts, certainly in England. So I'm going to be talking about what Tyler, the OG, when it comes to peasant revolts, certainly in England. So he led a group of rebels from Canterbury and Kent to London to oppose the collection of a poll tax. So poll tax, if you don't have it, where you're listening, it was
Starting point is 00:11:35 regarded, it still is regarded as a regressive tax because it's a fix and liable for every individual. So he went there to oppose the collection of poll tax and to demand economic and social reforms. And the rebellion initially enjoyed very early success but then he was killed by officers loyal to King Richard II during negotiations at Smithfield in London, which is why Chris Skull is absolutely convinced that he's a West Ham fan because that is firmly in West Ham territory. In the catchment area. Now, Charles Dickens wrote an intensely anti-aristocratic and anti-monarchical child's history of England in 1851. And he described Wattiler as a hard-working man who had suffered much and had been foully outraged and it's probable that he was a man of a much higher nature and a much braver
Starting point is 00:12:23 spirit than any of the parasites who exalted then, or have exalted since, over his defeat. Basically, he's talking about Chris Skull. It's a 14th century Chris Skull. A hard-working man who has suffered much. I think this has come up before, isn't it? He's a decent, good, honest, white transit driving Essex man, is what Tyler. It just so happens he's living in the 1300s. Yeah yeah yeah. He would have ended all his social media posts by saying Bosch. He loves talk radio. Don't get him started on James O'Brien. Bosch Tyler as he was known to his mate. He went down the tavern. A Bosch. Loved cheering on Trevor Morley in the North Stand over up to my mark.
Starting point is 00:13:07 Oh yeah, absolutely. Starts every morning with a fryer, you know, eight cups of tea, he puts it all on Instagram and a description of a fryer pizza will get 1.8 million likes on Instagram somehow. I don't understand it. I'm immediately assuming he's a West Ham fan by the way, which brings me to an idea we need to explore at one point, which is just picking out famous people from history and deciding which football team they'd support. Well, he was from Maidstone in Kent.
Starting point is 00:13:34 Okay. Yeah, there is a chance he's a Gillingham fan. Gillingham and West Ham, they share a lot. I always say people from Kent are more Essex than people from Essex. That's very funny, I like that. Sam, they share a lot. I always say people from Kent are more Essex than people from Essex. That's very funny. I like that. Although an awful lot of Millwall fans moved up towards Kent and left South London. Is he a Millwall fan or Tyler? Who knows? No, he doesn't know. He dies in Smithfield. That is West Ham territory.
Starting point is 00:13:57 Okay. Now, suffice to say, Charles Dickens, the 19th century's leading British novelist was a big fan. He wrote about Tyler several times in his fiction actually, including in our mutual friend from 1865 and in Bleak House most famously. 1852, Bleak House was published, in which the real and legendary Tyler is invoked as much needed in the present. Some person of the lower classes should rise up somewhere,
Starting point is 00:14:23 like what Tyler exclaims, one of the characters in Bleak House, to take on the injustices that prevailed on which Dickens saw as his life's work to challenge. Now, I would have assumed Dickens would have, that's so interesting that I saw it as such a sort of a fashioned world, an idea of what, for example, London life was like, you know, it's real caricatures, you know, but the idea of that, for example, London life was like, you know, it's real caricatures, you know, but the idea of that merging of people from real life, that's fascinating. I didn't know that he did that, that's fascinating. But also he was very upset and very moved by poverty. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think people like what Tyler really appealed to him. Now Tyler
Starting point is 00:15:00 appeared regularly in radical literature and art in his period. He was a big icon of the Chartist movement. William Blake drew him. He gets mentioned in the writings of socialist pioneers such as William Morris. William Morris is an interesting bloke. Societist pamphlet, wallpaper. Yeah. Pick a leg, mate. They saw, you know, in what Tyler, a rebel, a leader with a true cause. He gets mentioned in Tom Payne, in Tom Payne's writing whose ideas influenced the American and the French revolutions. In 1792, Payne even called for a monument on Smithfield to celebrate Wat Tyler, England's own homegrown revolutionary, but there wasn't one erected until 2015. Two points, one, yes there should definitely be a Wat Tyler monument in Smithfield, that seems mad there isn't. One, yes, there should definitely be a Watt-Tyler monument in Smithfield. That
Starting point is 00:15:45 seems mad there isn't. Well, there was. It was when erected in 2015, so it was very, very recent. Oh, there is one. Okay, good. All right. Well, that's settled. My second point, William Morris, Chelsea fan. Yeah. Great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather of Jodie Morris, the ex-Chelsey Centrum Fielder. Even though William Morris, I think is he not from Walthamstow? I think he's not far from, he's down the road. He should be West Ham, I don't know why he's a Port Gelsley. He's just laying claim to all these guys. Yeah, he should be West Ham. I can't be all now annoyed that William Morris isn't a West Ham fan even though it's you who decided he isn't. William, what are you doing at the Shed End? You're clearly Upton Park based.
Starting point is 00:16:24 God, Dick Penderyn, the great Welsh martyr who died in 1831. I mean, he was from Merthyr. So did he support Merthyr town? Was he a regular at Penadarron Park or was he? Had he gone over to the dark side? Did he support Cardiff City? Oh God, I've spent ages thinking about this.
Starting point is 00:16:38 Anyway, who was this man who inspired all of these great people and hundreds of years after his death, and what do we know about him besides, you know, sort of the very, very basics? Well, we don't know an enormous amount, okay? Now, he was probably born on the 4th of January, 1321 in Maidstone in Kent, although I've also seen people
Starting point is 00:17:01 who think he might have been born in 1340. So what's the difference in those two? Sorry, 3040 or...? Well some people thought he was born in 1320 when others think he was born in 1340. So there's a 19 year difference in terms of... Wow! Yeah, so it is quite vague, right? So he's either 40 or he's 60 when he died. What does that say about what he looked like? Yeah, yeah. It says an awful lot about skin care regime, doesn't it? Sometimes when my son asks me what his birthday is, I'm a couple of days out.
Starting point is 00:17:30 I've never been, I can't see myself ever being 19 years out in the cast. I think that's, that speaks volumes about how, how old people in the 1300s looked. You could be 40, you could be 60. They're like, no way. We're all rough. It's not, it's not great, is it? You know, he needed some C, you know, he needed some Cerevie I think, the skin care stuff you can buy in Boots. Now he was born probably on the 4th of January 1321, others think it was 1340, in Maidstone Kent. He probably supported West Ham, if you believe Chris Skull, and he died on Smithfield in London on the 15th of June 1381 at the age of 40 we think killed Mormons after meeting with King Richard II in an attempt to settle
Starting point is 00:18:10 the grievances of the peasants revolt against the hated Poltacs. Now like all good medieval rebels and rebellious icons only the day of death is precise. In fact it's quite possible he was not from Kent at all but from Colchester in Essex. So he's either West Ham or Colchester United. And came to be identified with Kent after crossing over the county lines early in the rebellion. Now, that's not the only detail that's confused. Take his name, Watt Tyler, for instance. Watt was a diminutive form of Walter, that's easy enough.
Starting point is 00:18:38 But Tyler was not a surname so much as a reference to his occupation. In fact, Watt Tyler means he was Walter the Roof Tyler, which sounds like a Welsh nickname. Die the Milk, the milkman. Die Pop, who delivers lemonade. So… Walter the Roof Tyler. Walter the Roof Tyler, which sounds so much worse. It just screams West Ham. How is there a debate about this? An Essex man called Watt the Roof
Starting point is 00:19:04 Tyler? Come on. We've begun and ended the debate. What Tyler was a West Ham fan. So he wasn't a peasant then, but he was a laborer of a different kind. One of the main sources for Tyler, Jean-François's Chronicles adds another layer of confusion.
Starting point is 00:19:19 Since you're in the French of the original book, Walter was called Wackros Tullier. So where the sources agree is that what was a tidal houses. So Fossard in contrast to Dickens didn't like the man and added that he was an equitous and devilish individual. That said one of Fossard's former employers was Queen Philippa, wife of King Edward III and Richard II's granny. So you know he's not going to warm to a lot of peasants who, you know, who don't really respect the values of chivalry. But Tyler apparently gave the starting signal for the rebellion by taking revenge on a tax collector who'd sexually assaulted his daughter. So there's all sorts of...
Starting point is 00:20:00 I mean, it's obviously, it's impossible to but there's there's an awful lot more to this story So similarly and again a detail added into the story of the rebellion by for so Tyler killed a hated financier and loan shark called Richard Lyons well Why the chronicler implies revenge Tyler had once worked for Lyons who regularly beat his employees? So that might well have been aspect of the the truth, assuming for us our story was true at all, but again, Tyler attacks someone involved in the financial system and the imposition of debt on working people, so that was the kind of person he was. He's a Ruth Tyler Westham fan, probably from Essex, right? He loathes the rich and he loves the poor. Now, other details about Walter, or or what before the Peasants'
Starting point is 00:20:46 Revolt of 1381 are scarce. Even those details that are potentially knowable, they aren't precise. There's a suggestion that he may have been a soldier during one of the earlier phases of the Hundred Years' War against France, but no uncertain. It would explain the relative military discipline of the rebels, but that again, that's just a guess. It's not sort of a footnote. There's no proof to that. Now on the 15th of June, 1381, what Tyler met with Richard II on Smithfield, which is sort of amazing really,
Starting point is 00:21:13 that a Roof Tyler could meet with the King to discuss the poll tax. Yes it is, isn't it? That's remarkable. So he was called forward by the mayor of London, William Walworth. Tyler rode up to the King's position on his little horse and expressed hope that tomorrow we shall be good comrades. Tyler laid out a list of demands, including the abolition of all bishops. I've never really
Starting point is 00:21:34 had a problem with bishops. Yeah, they're alright. Brewing beer, don't need to invest much in their wardrobes. Yeah, but anyway, that was a list of his demands. The abolition of all bishops but one, the end of serfdom, I think I would have had more of a problem with serfdom. Yes, yeah. And the sharing out of all the wealth of the church among the people and the king paid lip service to this,
Starting point is 00:21:54 agreeing to all that was possible. Then, Tyler called for a drink, swirled out his mouth, spat the contents onto the ground, and generally offended the royal party. This is what the chronicles said. So a scuffle began shortly afterwards. Tyler tried to stab Walworth, the mayor, but Walworth was wearing concealed body armour and so fought back. Tyler was then stabbed in the neck, fell to the ground and was then attacked even more severely by another person in the King's retinue. He was taken to the hospital at St. Bartholomew's
Starting point is 00:22:25 where he received initial treatment, which was more palliative than restorative, before Walworth ordered him to be dragged back to Smithfield and executed, and then the rebellion ended with him. But in death, what Tyler, who has become this symbol of English revolt against oppression and tyranny, he's become even more famous.
Starting point is 00:22:44 So we're still talking about him today, you know, hundreds of years later. It's quite a decision having just been told that you'll get what you want to then spit on the floor, isn't it? Yeah, it's the kind of thing, if I did that my mum would say, behave. Yeah, exactly. Behave, won't you, for crying out loud. Behave! I don't think there's any negotiation in history in which you can get what you want and then do a drink of water and you have to spit on the floor.
Starting point is 00:23:14 Yeah, exactly. And everyone goes, this is normal. This is great. This is a great conclusion to these negotiations. A handshake is more sort of, it's a classic way of sealing the deal. I've not read Donald Trump's The Art of the Deal. I don't know if that's the kind of thing he did. But this is the thing when you grow up on the chicken run, you know, men out of control on a Saturday afternoon,
Starting point is 00:23:35 you just think it's time to spit at the feet of the king. So it was the Peasants' Revolt was fed by... There was an awful lot of economic and social upheavals. So the majority of English people worked in the countryside economy. And so, you know, England was organised around manners and controlled by local lords, you know, and it was just a, most of the population was sort of, you had unfree surfs, but it was just a very, very unfair way of organising society. And so he stood up to that and as a consequence became a hero.
Starting point is 00:24:06 Incredible. Isn't it interesting as well that his list of demands are not a million miles away from those made at the French Revolution. What's that, 400 years later? Yeah, yeah. It's basically the same list of demands. But unlike the French Revolution, he got his almost immediately and then ruined it. The modern phrases, I don't know if this was in common parlance in the 1380s, he fucked it. Oh what?
Starting point is 00:24:32 I've only got a fucked it. On the one hand it's great that Ruth Tyler led these negotiations and got what he wanted, but on the other hand, it's just unfortunate it was an uncouth Ruth Tyler who got what he wanted and just basically couldn't control himself. Yeah, at that stage you've got to play the game, you've got to get someone in who's got a history of lobbying who's probably gone to Oxbridge. You've got to fight them on their territory I think. You need the softer face of the campaign.
Starting point is 00:25:06 You can't just turn up in your van, spit out your drink, say fuck you to the king and then expect to get away with it. Say what you want about career politicians, but at least they won't spit in your face at the conclusion of a negotiation. So there's, I've just Googled it. According to a contemporary chronicler, Tyler acted contemptuously, calling for a flagon of water to rinse his mouth
Starting point is 00:25:30 because of the great heat that he was in. It was June, obviously. And when he received the water, he rinsed his mouth in a very rude and disgusting fashion before the King's face. Sir John Newton, servant of the King, insulted Tyler by calling him the greatest thief and robber in all of Kent.
Starting point is 00:25:46 So he's gargling right in the King's face, is that what we think? Gargling! And then spitting it down by his feet. Come on, mate. Swallow the water? Why do you have to spit it out? You're not brushing your teeth. We actually covered this in a bonus episode, but I can't remember the research there,
Starting point is 00:26:04 but wasn't there something that the King and the King's people were basically angling for a reason to be annoyed with him? It's one of those things from history where it's too ludicrous to have been made up. Well, you know, because what happened, the rebels of Kent, they'd crossed London Bridge and they'd attacked civil targets, they'd destroyed legal records, they'd opened prisons, they'd sacked homes, they'd killed individuals they thought were associated with the royal government. Now King Richard II, who was 14 years of age as well, met with the rebels and agreed to make many concessions and to give full pands to all those involved in the rebellion. Now some of the rebels were satisfied by his promises and dispersed, but what Tyler and his followers weren't.
Starting point is 00:26:47 So then the day later Tyler and his Kentish forces met King Richard at Smithfield, which back then was regarded as being outside London. Now I love this phrase. fans. At first the meeting seems to have gone well, with Tyler treating the King in a friendly if overly familiar manner." So he basically had his arm round him going, you're alright you are. Yeah, you're going to be fine. Cheers mate, nice one. I agree to do his roofs for a good deal. Do the whole of Buckingham Palace. I can do your gutters, I can paint your house. Oh thanks, cheers man. Chris, you say they were angling for a reason to be annoyed with him. I think if someone
Starting point is 00:27:24 came to my house and then I gave them a drink and they spat it onto my blue room carpet and I was annoyed, you couldn't then say, yeah, but you're looking to be annoyed with him. Yeah, that crazy is looking for a reason to be annoyed. Exactly, is they gobbling wine onto my carpet? I think it's fair enough that I'm pissed off. It's not the way to behave, is it? I think. Yeah, exactly. Imagine spitting your drink out. If we take one thing from the story of Watt Tyler, let it be, that's not the way to behave.
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