Oh What A Time... - #136 Alexander the Great (Part 7)

Episode Date: August 31, 2025

We’re chasing Alexander into Central Asia, where Darius meets a grim fate and local satraps learn the cost of betrayal.And what did people do in the pre-freezer age? The mind boggles. But if you’ve had something in your freezer for 30 years or more, please let us know: [e-mail] you fancy a bunch of OWAT content you’ve never heard before (and the entirety of the mini-series right now!), why not treat yourself and become an Oh What A Time: FULL TIMER?Up for grabs is:- two bonus episodes every month!- ad-free listening- episodes a week ahead of everyone else- And much moreSubscriptions are available via AnotherSlice and Wondery +. For all the links head to: ohwhatatime.comYou can also follow us on: X (formerly Twitter) at @ohwhatatimepodAnd Instagram at @ohwhatatimepodAaannnd if you like it, why not drop us a review in your podcast app of choice?Thank you to Dan Evans for the artwork (idrawforfood.co.uk).Chris, Elis and Tom xSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I can have British strawberries in December pre-free freezer what have you to eat seasonal food no thanks I want the food I like all year round that's right

I'm unwilling to change my habits because of nature whacking in a freezer and I'll have blueberries all year round raspberries all year round strawberries all year round it doesn't bother me

that they don't grow now because it's too cold wall of them in a freezer I'll eat what I want when I want It's Christmas Day he's eating a strawberry Yeah What big time

Not an issue Big time doesn't bother me Thank you modernity Here's another good thing about a freezer A freezer means you can quickly make food For your children You know they'll eat Oh my God

Without that Where are the fish fingers Thank God for living in the FF age, the fish finger age. Because anything I've actually cooked and taken time on, they will not eat. The dipper age. Thank you dippers. What a meal. Frozen bread.

There's always bread in the freezer. Frozen milk. I've got a problem with frozen bread. I just think you can tell when it's been frozen. And the same with sausages. You got to put it in the toaster after. You take it out, Chris. When I'm breaking my teeth into an icy slice of bread.

Izzy's mother used to make sandwiches with frozen bread, and they would defrost during the day. Are you kidding? She would put the filling in the icy sandwich, in the ice slice. Wow. Yeah, in the ice slice. And then during the course of the day, it would de frost wallet, Bob's your uncle. That's bonkers.

Thank you, freezers. Another victory for the freezer. Yeah. One problem with the freezer is, well, maybe yours doesn't do this, but about once or three, two years. Because of a nice issue, it'll pack up, and all the food will have to be lobbed out. And then we have to, we have to dig away the little thing at the back of the freezer to get it going again, the little fan thing. It's got some design issue. Oh, I'll take that risk for Christmas Day British movies.

Does it bother me? Some of my fondest memories as a kid are the freezer packing up and having like an Iceland advert of an impromptu celebration. It all needs to begin. It needs to go, like a fire sale of your frozen food. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there'll be some stuff that's been in there for years.

We had a big chest freezer in the 80s. Oh yes, my mum has one of those, yeah. Like the one the snowman lies down in during the... Yeah, yeah. And there'd be like a sort of a chalk ice right at the bottom. And then you get in and obviously you can't get back out again. It's good

fun. It's good old-fashioned humour. It's like a sort of Egyptian tomb-sized. It's not a thing, Tut and Karmu would have been buried in. Yeah, but bloody cold. I remember in the 90s, my parents had a slice of their wedding cake in the freezer, and they'd got married in the late 70s. Yeah, they had, my mum and dad ate their wedding cake on the day of my christening. So I was christened in 1981, and they'd got married in 1976.

Because they'd been in the freezer. What an invention! There was a rumour when I was at primary school. This can't be true, can it? That if you caught a bee... What, the print had one of his ribs removed. If you caught a bumblebee and you put the bumblebee in the freezer, the bumblebee would go to sleep.

Then you could open it up and you could tie some string or maybe some dental floss around one of its legs and then it would wake up and you'd have a bee on a string. and it would fly around like a child with a balloon that can't be true can't it I've never tested it A friend of mine was a stoner and the recurring dream used to have when he was stoned

Was that he had a bee on his shoulder on a touch to a piece of string As a pet Okay yeah well maybe it is doable then Well my mate my works in a commercial butcher's And he would say occasionally the flies were getting the big freezer And he would just slow them down So they'd be they were really It needs you to catch.

I hope he kept the sort of fact that there's flies in the freezer away from the public domain because that's not really a sort of marketing, you know. It's all frozen. It doesn't matter if it's frozen. That's the genius of the freezer. Before we move on, let's each just name our one desert island freezer thing, the thing that you keep in your freezer. Because the thing I'm obsessed with at the moment are frozen dumplings.

I cannot get enough of them. Frozen dumplings. Oh, I love them. You're such a Victorian. No, not like East End dumpling. I mean like Japanese Gaiosa dumplings. Oh, okay. You've absolutely shown your colours there, haven't you, as a West Ham fan.

I used to. When I was 1920, at uni, I went for a real microwave meal dumpling phase. Did you know? I'm really glad I got out of. My vagravable dumpling howl, like I was skull. If I was eating Gaiosa in the Victorian time, Skull, Burm me is a witch. Exactly, yeah, completely.

That's mine. What about you, Elle? What's your go-to? Ice cream. Magnums. Are you really into ice cream? No, but it's like the best thing to come from a freezer, I would say. It's very sweet.

Well, it is very sweet, isn't it? This is quite a sort of childish thing for you to be in to. Yorkshire puddings? So quick, four minutes, aren't best here? When are you doing that? What, Yorkshire puddings? Yeah. How often you get a frozen, a Yorkshire pudding and cooking in?

every week. You have a what? My kids love Yorkshire puddings. Where are you getting this everlasting stash of Yorkshire puddings for? Any, any, a spa, you could buy them in any shop. Aunt Bessie's Yorkshire puddings, you could just buy them in any shop. That's got a freezer section. Oh, right.

So in 2025, you're having a Yorkshire pudding every week. Yeah. That's what happened in the war, or sort of in the 50s and 60s, not now. We are talking about the same thing, do we? Yorkshire pudding, as in the staple of the British roast dinner. Yeah, absolutely. But now, in 2025, a staple of the World War II ration book, unless you're a pensioner, you're not having a Yorkshire pudding every week, are you?

Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. We are talking about the same thing. The puffy thing you have with a roast. With a Sunday dinner, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Do you have a Sunday dinner every week? No, we have them regularly. Do you?

This has blown my mind. And my kids love Yorkshire puddings. So they will always eat them. They also, my daughter's is particularly, it's quite hard to get it to eat protein other than cheese, but she will eat chicken.

So we end up having a sort of very basic Sunday dinner, I suppose, quite often with the Yorkshire pudding. I'm very particular about how I use my Yorkshire puddings. I fill them with veg and then meat and then I put the gravy on top. So I make a little Yorkshire pudding sandwich

where I put the other bits of things from the plate into the Yorkshire pudding to make a little pie. had to be an angle. You're such a Sunday road dinner vater. Thank you very much. I don't particularly like the massive

Yorkshire puddings that you get in, often in pubs and they do. Like a Russian hat. Those ones. You're huge. Yeah, the Russian hat, Yorkshire pudding, I don't particularly like. You don't need scale, do you? No. And for you, gullas, what are we talking about? What's your go-to freezer treat?

Those microwave dumpling meals I was eating 20 years ago. I'd love to see one in there at the back. Hang on. So how often you eat in Yorkshire pudding is Tom? I would say I have a Yorkshire pudding once every six weeks and I think that's about right. Yeah. If you're having more than one a month, you're a psychic. I completely agree with you in 2025. If we're having this conversation in the 60s, I go fair enough, but we're not. We had Sunday dinner, a roast dinner, every Sunday from 1980 when I was born to when I left home. I'll grant you that. I did do that as a child, admittedly.

In the summer. Yeah, not in the summer. Heat wave. But that's because my parents are older. You're now the parent. And you're still doing a one-weekly Yorkshire pudding. Maybe not a week, though. Oh, here we go.

Maybe not weekly. But certainly, I'm often having to run to budgins to get emergency Yorkshire puddings. And my son will eat four or five in one go. It's incredible. Like he's carb loading. It's a shame when people pass their sins on to go. I've got you're married to Aunt Bessie. Aunt Izzy.

Quite the empire you've married into. Exactly. Right. We could talk about this all night, but we mustn't. Because today we're talking yet again about a man who had a zero Yorkshire pudding-based diet. A man who strode across Europe, destroying everything that he met. And never had a Sunday roast, of course, is Alexander the Great. Before we get into that, though,

Shall we kick off the show with a little bit of correspondence? Should we do that? Yes, please. Brilliant. Oh, yes, please. Now, we talked on the show a little while ago about people who had quite easy wars. So I think it was your granddad. Is that right, Skull?

My wife's granddad, yeah. Oh, yeah, who maybe briefly remind any listeners that might be new to this. My wife's granddad basically had a fantastic time in the Second World War. Didn't see any action just went or cruised around the world with entertainment by Jay McDonald. Exactly. Well, we've had a message on that topic from someone called Sam. Hi, Tom, Ellis and Chris. On the topic of World War II Skives, my granddad Arthur was a good footballer. And before the war, he played for Glastonbury Town when they were a conference side. And after the war, he got offered a professional contract with Ipswich. This really shows you how times have changed that he turned down as he earned more money at the local sheepskin factory. Oh, wow. Yeah, so he's offered an Ipswich contract, and he turns it down. That was very common.

Was it really? Yeah, yeah. So the great Alan Curtis, who played for Swansea City in Wales, his uncle is like an all-time Man City legend, Roy Paul, Captain Man City in the 50s. So there was football in the family, and his dad got offered a contract, I think, at Leicester, and he turned it down because he thought that working in a coal mine

was more predictable. And there's a guy in my gym and he's in his mid-70s and his dad was offered a professional contract and he turned it down because he thought well if I get injured this is where the first division team was like if I get injured

I won't be able to work That's amazing He carried he was like a sort of I can't remember he had a very normal job And he could have been playing for like Charlton in front of 80,000 people at the valley He was like No, that I'll leave it.

Well the story does not end here It says here At the start of the war My granddad was in charge of spotlight up at Clevedon, near Bristol, where he played for the local team. The standard was not great, so the chairman used to invite him around. Oh, hell, you'd absolutely love this. This is your dream job.

The chairman used to invite him around every Sunday for a full roast. This is your absolute dream of football and the Yorkshire puddings. Oh, my God. He's done it. Combined. Exactly. Yeah, this is your absolute dream. Yeah, the chairman used to invite him around for Sunday lunch every week

so that he'd keep playing. So he was basically bribed to keep playing with his amateur team by way of having a free Sunday oath every Sunday, which is absolutely a dream version of payment. He was then posted to Burma, and this is the most amazing point, where he was kept back from the front line as he was the best player in the regiment team,

and they needed him for the games against other regiments. So his war was best. basically a football tour of Burma. Wow. Cheers Sam. Isn't that remarkable? So he avoided the front line and the horrors of that because he was a great footballer and he played for the regiment team

when they were playing the other regiments. He can't give him a fighting chance. Isn't that remarkable? That's fantastic. But I think that's not a super uncommon story, I think. Really? I know my uncle, my great uncle, he was a dispatch rider in the war

and he was a rugby player. and his squadron leader or whoever it was or CEO said do you play rugby because he was and he went to Amsterdam and he went brilliantly

playing on Saturday and he was playing into regimental games really he had another one had a great he loved it and that affected his war he had a fantastic war

yeah he played rugby and rode motorbikes he was like yeah brilliant loved it I can confidently say I think I'd rather be on the front line

and play rugby such is my dislike for the sport oh I don't know you'd have to be good Yeah, you wouldn't have to worry about it. Yeah, absolutely. It's a good point. I did my MA on football in South Wales during the Second World War,

and I interviewed a guy who'd been a prisoner of war in, I can't remember where he was held captive, but he was a prisoner of war. And in his prisoner of war camp, there were football matches, and the guards used to watch them. And he was in the same, he used to, his bed was next door to a guy who played for Celtic. Wow. So the guy who played for Celtic was an outside right.

and the guy I interviewed who used to come into a pub I worked in. So this is in the early 2000s. He was sort of almost 90 then. Yeah. He was an inside right and he said I just used to pass the ball to him because he was such a fantastic player.

That's amazing. But the guards used to watch us because there were lots of professional footballers who'd signed up so the standard was quite high so the guards would watch them. That's fantastic. Well, Sam, thank you very much for that email. There's so much colour and story in that.

That's amazing. Thank you. If anyone else has any stories of relations who have done incredible things in the past or skived off in the heat of battle. Here's how you get in contact with the show. All right, you horrible luck. Here's how you can stay in touch with the show. You can email us at hello at oh what a time.com and you can follow us on Instagram and Twitter at oh what a time pod. Now clear off.

So to continue this incredible story, I'm now going to talk to you about Alexander's move into Central Asia. Okay, so by the summer of 330 BC, Alexander ruled an empire which stretched from Albania in the west to western and southern Iran in the east. It's just staggering the size, the landmass that he now controls, isn't it? However, his great rival, Darius III, is still at large. We've heard he fled the battle, and so the threat of the Persians still remained. And after a month spent in Persopoulos, Alexander now began the chase to catch up with Darius and to put an end to his rule once and for all. I'm going to say, in that situation, if I'm Darius, I know that Alexander is closing in on me,

the express aim of killing me and putting an end to my regime. I'm changing my hair cut. I'm leaving that line of work and I'm retiring in the south of France or something like that. It's done. It's over. I'm also having terrible trouble sleeping. Such a good point. And I'm permanently agitated. Any noise in the night. Literally any noise.

And my wife is like, why are you being so short with the kids? It's not fair on them. I'm bloody shit at myself. That's why. I can't do drop off in case I bump into him. I can't do the big shop in case. I bump into him. Oh, you always say that. You just don't want to do drop off. I mean, there's not many

occasions in the history of the planet that the king of the world has been after someone. To be in Darius's position is unenviable. One of the world's greatest ever warriors will not rest until he's got you and you're just

hot footing it through the desert. This is awful. You think that program's celebrity hunted, wherever it is on Channel 4? is stressful. This is much worse than that. I think that's the trickiest situation anyone's been in ever. Yeah, it really is.

The world's greatest warrior wants to get you. I think the names alone tell you the mismatch here, don't you? It's the king of the world and a bloke called Darius. Yeah, yeah. That's what we're dealing with. Darius, you're out of your depth, mate. Big time. You need to leave.

So, Alexander is pursuing Darius. He first makes his way to Medea, which is today northwestern Iran. And from there he goes on to Parthia in the northeast. Darius, meanwhile, believed mistakenly that his eastern peoples would rally to his standard and join him in a fight back against the Macedonian vaders, which is optimistic. Come on. Hi, guys. Anyone fancy taking on the world's greatest warrior?

Hello? Exactly. Well, that is literally the response he's getting. His local sat traps, the governors, were just not. as loyal as he'd assumed at that point and not as loyal as they had been earlier and they now had their own ambitions none more than a satrap of Bactria, a man called Bessus, okay? This is an important man in his story. Bessus, he approaches Darius. He tries to persuade the king that having fought Anthony twice and lost twice, that maybe Darius should let someone else

have a go. Okay, this is what Bessus is saying. Bessus then tries to reassure Darius that if he let him fight Anthony, he would then let Darius become king again at a later date, which I think we can probably log under history's least reliable promises. If I know anything about these power-hungry leaders, you're probably not going to get another shot at it, Darius, if you let him become king. It just sounds like you're talking to someone who's six. No, no, and then you'll have your turn, okay? No, no, no, everyone gets a go.

It's just the world's greatest warrior is after him. So we all need to change our behaviour, okay? Thank you. So Darius, completely understandably, says, well, I don't believe that to be the case. I think you're simply looking to take power here. So he refuses this offer. But he also refused the wise counsel of some of his more supportive allies to swap his own bodyguards for Greek mercenaries because there was this fear basically that the people around him couldn't be trusted. He was no longer supported in the way he had been.

and he rejects this plan and that is something that would come back to bite him hard as Bessus and his co-conspirators soon acted. They imprisoned Darius

they bound him up, they gagged him and they threw him into an ox cart okay? And soon after when an advanced party of Alexander's men

including Alexander himself catch up with the Persians the conspirators see Alexander panic, attack Darius and leave him dead on the side of the road. He's killed by his own men.

Oh, Dersusus! Yes. It's not Alexander who kills him. He's killed by his own men. He was actually found, interestingly, by one of Alexander's men, a Macedonian man called Polisratus, who'd stopped to get some water somewhere between Damgan and Chachrud, some 250 miles or so northeast of modern day Tehran. They found the body on the roadside there when he stopped to get a drink. So quite an ignoble end. But one, that interestingly has quite an unexpected twist. What do you think Alexander did when the body was brought to him? him when he found this body of his rival. What do you think his reaction to that was? Was he disappointed that he didn't get to kill him himself? No, it wasn't that actually. Did he feel sorry for him?

Well, yes, he did. That is right. He felt this was sort of like an unfortunate, unfair way for it to end. And out of respect, he committed Daris' body to a proper royal burial in the Temple of Persepolis. So he buried his rival in a regal sort of triumphant way, gave him a proper burial,

despite the fact this has been the man that he'd been trying to kill and had been trying to kill him for as long as he could remember. Bessus meanwhile found the transition to power not as simple as he'd hoped. He was never properly recognised as a regal leader. He was not able to hold together what remained of the Persian Empire. It's David Moyes at Manila, isn't it? Exactly, exactly. Exactly.

Certainly not after he'd fled further to the North East. on the pretext of winning new allies for the fight. You can't have leaders that keep fleeing. If the hallmark of all the leaders of the Persian army is they repeatedly fleeing, I think there comes a point when the troops are going, this maybe isn't going in our favour, is it? I mean, I've got to be honest, I understand it, and I feel, it doesn't feel particularly appropriate that I'm criticising it.

Yeah, that's very true. No, absolutely. But to make things even worse, a few years later, in 329 BC, Bessus was betrayed by his own men and handed over to Alexander, who declared him a traitor. Would you like to guess at what the punishment was like? Was he killed in exactly the same manner as Darius, no? No, actually, it was far worse. Alexander had him flogged, his nose and ears were cut off.

Oh, my God. And then finally he was executed. And to kind of give a final, I think as soon as Bessus sees who his executioner is and who Alexander has arranged as the executioner, he knows it's probably not going to be an easy death. Alexander put a man in charge of the proceedings, someone who was no less than Darius's brother, Oxyathras. Oh my God.

So he's led towards his man. It's the brother of the person that he has slain himself. And, you know, this is what happens. His nose and ears are cut off. He's executed. It's just a horrible, horrible death. But if we return to the time of Darius's death, we find Alexander at crossroads.

He's stood on the shores of the Caspian Sun. looking out what he thought was the edge of the world. So far as local fishermen could tell him, there was like nothing out there but water. He had no idea what was out there. We now know differently that the northern extreme of that lake lies a modern day, Russia and Kazakhstan. But these places were completely out of Alexander's knowledge,

beyond the knowledge of the Greeks too, even those he'd travel far and wide. He may have gone to Turkmenistan or Kazakhstan. Those are options to him. Instead, he decides to turn back south and east towards a region known then as Aria, but which today lies in western Afghanistan, and he's now closing down Bessus. This is before Bessus' death. This is when Bessus is fleeing, shoring up the east flank of his empire in the process, spreading Hellenic culture as far as possible. And every so

often he'd stopped and found a new city, a new Alexandria. But there was a problem, okay? And this is where things start to fray and start to turn a little for Alexander. If Alexander had a dog adopted native ways in Egypt, so he embraced phoronic regalia, epithets, all this sort of stuff. In Asia, he seemed to go one step further, becoming less and less Greek. One of the things he insisted, he started insisting on, was that his men, when he was in their presence, would lie prostate on the ground. So this is a thing he introduced. It's David Moyzum, he liked it again.

He's showing Rio Fernand, videos of Philadelphia, Gailka. And unsurprisingly, the men, they're growing embittered about this. It's quite annoying. They're constantly having to lie prostate whenever he walks past. I'd call like the rest. Would you? Yeah. Although I suppose if you've got to get up as soon as they walk past straight away,

it's the equivalent to doing a burpee, and that would be really annoying. Yeah, absolutely. Keep you fit there. Although they were, they probably were quite fit anyway. So I imagine burpees are within the round. the sort of things they can achieve. How do you have a meeting with him? Like, everyone has got to stand up and just lying flat on the floor while he's lecturing you.

That's such a good point. Did you have to stand for your teachers when they came in at school? Yes, I was just thinking about that. It's very, I had to lie prostrate. Did you have to stand for your teachers when they came out? Yeah, when they walk in a room? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't remember that.

Yeah, yeah. I thought we did. So we'd be sitting at our desks and the teacher would come in. You'd have to stand sort of to attend. tension, then you'd get to sit down again. Quite weird, really. That is weird. It's just quite army-like. Do you know what? It's one of those things I've never questioned until just now. I questioned it on day one, day one of

your sentence, we'd have to do it in primary school. I thought, what? That's amazing. I used to always come into the classroom about six minutes late, skateboard underarm, fagging mouth, leather jacket over my shoulder. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The teacher stood for me when I got it. Arise, so cool. And so discontent. begins to spread and in turn conspirators begin to whisper to one another of ways to sort of maybe get rid of this man

the man who suddenly let all the power go to his head is full of the lusts of absolute control and power that was until alexander got wind of their plans he had the ringleader philatus tortured then executed then had his father the wise old general parmenon who'd been around since the time of philip the seconds. We've been there for a long time, had him executed as well. But Alexander found it impossible to believe that dad couldn't have known what his son was looking to do. So he's once again showing just how ruthless he is. So if there is any conspiratory murmuring amongst his troops, he would just kill you or have you done. This is just the ruthlessness of Alexander by this point in his life. And so the chase for Bessus continues again. Now Alexander's crossing Afghanistan.

He's now turning north towards a region known as Sogdia, which today comprises the meeting point of Uzbekistan, Tajikstan and Kyrzikstan, with the ancient city of Samarkaland, or Makanda, as it was now known at his heart. And whilst they were stationed there in 329 BC, Alexander becomes aware once again of growing resentment amongst his senior officers. It's just keeping coming back. It's like he's changed. This guy's not as chill as he used to be, and the troops are not liking it. After getting drunk one evening, Alexander begins boasting his achievements. look at all this he's saying look at all I've achieved unlike that man who was supposedly my father he stopped slagging off philip just claiming that what he's done is so much more impressive than his dad achieved

one of the old guards a man called clitus then intervened as alexander's younger sycophants cheered the king and he tries to remind alexander that that wasn't how it was at all and his dad actually was a great man and achieved amazing things and a tussle breaks out And before long, this tussle was kind of heated And with some of the more sober people there Trying to pull them apart They're seeing how this is going He sounds like he's on Coke

He really does, doesn't he? Alexander's temper just flicks And it becomes really nasty But Plitis kept rushing back to throw in yet another comment And suddenly the king leaps to his feet He grabs a spear from a guard And as people try to stop him He plunges that spear

Into the chest of Clytus And just kills him dead Okay, kills him dead on the spot. And once again, as we discussed in the last episode, Al, the next morning, Alexander wakes up. He's hung over and he's regretting his actions. He's killed one of his dad's mates. Absolutely. And a friend to him as well.

He'd been part of his life for many years, but it was all too late. And by the end of 328 BC, another friend was dead and a little more of the trusts that had been placed in Alexander the Great had evaporated. And this is a fact that I just find. amazing at this point he was still only 28 years old isn't that amazing he's crazy he's 28 and he's achieved all this stuff so what's interesting about this period is clearly the power and his success is really going to his head we he's now named himself you know a son of god he's a leader of you know huge swathes of the world he has uh an army beneath him which is morphine than the other army, but it is starting to change him. He's making his troops lie down

in front of him. He's drinking more. His temper is getting the better of him. And he's, you know, he's killing people mid-piss-up. And understandably, it's fraying. Some of the support he has is start to loosen, you know, a troubling times ahead for Alexander. Okay, well, that's it. for part seven of our Alexander the great mini-series. If you want to binge the rest of this series and get two bonus episodes every month, early release

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