Oh What A Time... - #195 Hymns & Anthems! (Part 2)

Episode Date: September 1, 2026

This is Part 2! For Part 1, check the feed!This week we’re discussing some classic hymns and all round total anthems through history. We’ll discuss a favourite on the UK football terraces: The Battle Hymn of the Republic. The true story of that absolute banger ‘Jerusalem’. And from down under, we’ll have that Aussie smash hit ‘Advance Australia Fair’.Elsewhere, there’s a Greggs on Pudding Mill Lane.. Which other areas have stayed true to their origins? If you’ve got anything on this or anything else, do get in touch! [e-mail] if you want more Oh What A Time and both parts at once, you should sign up for our Patreon! On there you’ll now find:•The full archive of bonus episodes•Brand new bonus episodes each month•OWAT subscriber group chats•Loads of extra perks for supporters of the show•PLUS ad-free episodes earlier than everyone elseJoin us at 👉 patreon.com/ohwhatatimeAnd as a special thank you for joining, use the code CUSTARD for 25% off your first month.You can also follow us on: X (formerly Twitter) at @ohwhatatimepodAnd Instagram at @ohwhatatimepodAaannnd if you like it, why not drop us a review in your podcast app of choice?Thank you to Dan Evans for the artwork (idrawforfood.co.uk).Chris, Elis and Tom x Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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where else in history you might have popped up. For all your options, you can go to patreon.com forward slash O Watertime. Hello and welcome back to part two of hymns. Let's get on with the show. Right, today I'm going to tell you lovely, lovely boys all about a particularly famous sporting anthem. There's an age-old debate in British sport, which is this,

if Wales of Scotland can have their own national hymns or anthems for like independent identity, so you've got flower of Scotland, for instance, or land of my father's. Yeah, man, my hair and Robin Hardee. I love Land of My Fathers, but there's actually, Elle, there's a song which I love even more, which is sung by Welsh football fans, which I find incredibly moving. And it's from like a Welsh pop singer from maybe like the 70s or something. Yes, Lever they won. It's Amal Heid.

It was sung before the Ukraine World Cup playoff final in 2022. But Landed by Fathers, or here in Rodvin Hardai, to give it his proper title, has really been taken up by Welsh football fans. It was always, we were always slightly sort of inferior cousins to the rugby fans in seeing that for a long time. But over the last 10 or 12 years, the football fans really made an effort. It's brilliant now. So why is that, do you think? It's a cultural thing. When Gary Speed became manager of Wales, he realised that a lot of the footballers didn't know the words because most of them didn't speak Welsh.

Right, okay. So he taught that he got people in to teach them the words and teach them what the words meant and made a big thing of them all singing it. And also, you know, as the team became more popular, it sort of, it was another way of sort of, you know, showing how unique we are and how we're different to fans of other teams. What's that amazing clip of a politician besides to try and mime along to the Welsh national anthem? That's John Redwood and the BBC are no longer allowed to show that anymore. Because it was shown so much on things like, have I got news for you, that there is no equivalent for any other politicians. in any of the other parties. For people who haven't seen it,

John Redwood is in a situation where the Welsh National Anthem is being sung. He doesn't know the words. He was Secretary of State for Wales. Yes. Secretary of State for Wales and it was the,

I think it was the Conservative Party conference in Wales, I think. But crucially, doesn't know the words. He decides to blag it, and obviously it's a language he doesn't speak. And it's bad.

It is bad. It was very funny. But, yeah, it must be on YouTube somewhere, but it used to be used all of the time as a stick to, beat the tallest with.

Isn't it funny? Like, as a politician, you can do so much good, but one slip-up like that. Yeah, yeah. You make one bad choice, and it will haunt you forever. You eat one bacon sandwich poorly. Yes, and there's a photograph of you.

That's kind of true. Yeah, absolutely. That and the Ed Stone are the two things I think of when I think of Ed Milibon. And when I think of Neil Kinnock, I just did falling in the sea on the beach. With Ed Miliband, There was a bit of a run of things, though, wasn't there?

There was bacon sandwich, as you say, the big stone tablet. There was also him tripping off the stage at the end of his piece on BBC One, who's at the debate. And also there's a classic bit where he's interviewed and he says, Am I tough enough? Hell yes, I'm tough enough. And he gets his big speech. Hell yes, I'm tough enough.

And you know that that moment is screwed it for you as well. Because as he says the word, hell yes, I'm tough enough. You see in his face that he's. That he's completely screwed it up. Yeah, well, that's me done. He thinks to himself, the word tuss, which I've just coined doesn't exist. Yeah. I have lost myself the election because of that.

Yeah. And the use of hell yes. Yeah. Oh, my God. Why does he just correct it? Why does he like bat on? But hell yeah, I'm tuss enough. I mean, yes, I'm tough enough.

Hell yeah, I'm tough. Sorry, I meant I'm tough enough. I think panic is setting Chris at that point. It's not what tough people do, is it? Exactly. The horse has pulted. Arnold Schwarzenegger's never corrected himself. Hell yes, I am tough enough. I mean, I am tough enough. Oh, poor old Ed Milliman.

Well, the question is, though, as we say, John Redwood... I need your clothes, your boots and your soapser, Michael. I mean motorcycle. I'm sorry, I should have corrected myself. So John Redwood didn't know the lyrics to Lander my father's, But the point is that Wales has its own anthem, which is completely theirs. And the question really is, why does England persist in using the British Royal Anthem, God Save the Queen? Sorry. I'm just having my head.

It's been a bad moment. Toughing yourself. I mean, great yourself, tough guy. We're all doing it now. God. Just so tough on yourself for not correcting yourself. Oh my God, it's a virus. God save the Queen.

No. Why does England persist in using the British Royal Anthem? anthem, God save the king as its song, okay? Well, the interesting thing, though, is that in the rugby and the football for a very long time, especially in things like the five nations of the British home championships, the Scots didn't have for our Scotland, and we didn't have my hand rod and hard I, because God save the Queen as it was then, was seen as a catch-all for both countries. Yes, that's absolutely true.

So a Welsh football team, they protested at Wembleen 77 when we played England in the, in the British Home Championships, Championships, because the FA refused. to allow my own of unhaddae to be played because they were like, you've got your anthems called God save the queen. Oh, really? Interesting. So what's happened is England has kind of been left with the British one in a sort of strange quirk of faith. Yes.

And the question there is, I suppose, is why the English don't have something more uniquely English. It's basically as simple as that, really. And the debate begins. If England was to find something new, exactly, what would it be? Chris, we know what it would be for you. It would be Mr. Brightside. That's what you're going for. There are other options, of course.

And two that always come up are Land of Hope and Glory, which is quite a sort of, you know, it's got some power. That's in? It is, but it sort of tends to evoke the sort of last night of the proms feeling all the sort of Tweed customs around that. The other one is Rule Britannia. Well, hang on, the Land of Hope and Glory is macho man from WWF wrestling in the 90s. That's the other reason.

Oh, yeah. That's the other reason we can't use it. The entrance theme of England can't be the entrance theme. of macho man. No, good point. That's true. Scratch it off. Sorry, Tinder.

Next. Well, they could just enter into macho, matcho man. That was English national return. Regan and tube feeling that. Mark your, mark your man.

That's what you'd be singing. When you need sort of man to man racking at a corner. It's an old to 4-4-2. Exactly. Rural Britannia, of course, is the other big one that comes up. That too is also out.

given its sort of sense of superiority. Also, there's arch irony of Britain's never being slaves, but then keeping shum about the massive slave ownership in the past, which is not ideal. And so what we're left with, really, is Jerusalem, okay? Jerusalem is a song which speaks kind of earnestly to an England that we the people have made. Are you a fan of Jerusalem? I find Jerusalem quite stirring.

I do quite like the tune of it. I do find it does something to me. What are your thoughts? I mean, Elle, you probably... Do you find it staring, Chris, or not? Yeah, I honestly, I'm actually quite passionate about this. I do think it should be Jerusalem. Like every world, I think about this all the time.

It is our best song. The lyrics are perfect, what we're trying to build as a nation. I think it gives us an identity that, like God Save the King just doesn't. God Save the King feels just so antiquated. It's tied up in monarchy, whereas England is about us trying to build something better. You know, the great thing with God's saying the quing, though, is earloes the fans to go, da-da-la-la-da-da. It always makes me laugh so.

Da-da-da-da-da. Da-da-da-da-da. Shenzhenge victorious. Well, I mean, you say the lyrics are perfect, Chris. We'll get to the lyrics a little while because some would suggest that they are bonkers, but we'll get to that. Jerusalem the song is a setting of a William Blake poem to music by Hubert Parry. These days it is often performed in the orchestrated version by Edward Elgar. To give you an idea of the background, William Blake, he writes the poem in 1808 in the wake of the French Revolution.

She initially supported and later rejected. And also the Industrial Revolution, which had done so much to change his country in his lifetime. It first appears in an epic devoted to the Civil War poet John Milton, who you may know, author of Paradise Lost, Paradise Regained. And what people loved so much about Jerusalem and why you might love it, Chris, is the way in which it evoked an image of England, of sort of pure, verdant landscape and also a place where the holy city, the very model of progress and promise, could indeed be built. And that very much spoke to Blake's personal idea about religion and mythology and history and also reflected an old story about Jesus, Mary and Joseph. Now, you mention the lyrics, Chris. Let's get into them now. Okay. Are you aware what this story is? is that is captured in the story of Jerusalem, this story about Jesus, Mary and Joseph. Do you remember from the lyrics what the tale is?

Well, isn't this speculation, did Jesus come to England? That's basically it, no? I can't remember much more than that. I did look it up once. I'm going to file the chances of any of this being true under unlikely, by the way, before we get into these. Okay. The story was that in their exile from King Herod and Judea, Jesus, Mary and Joseph found refuge in England. Okay, already that feels unlikely to me, doesn't it? That they got a boat

across the sea to England from Israel then? I never saw it as serious speculation. I thought it was like, oh, the England we're building in the Industrial Revolution is so great and magnificent that maybe Jesus actually came here himself and started this. That's how I interpret it. No, well, it was built on the back of a story that many people believed to be true. Those feet in ancient times, times belong no less to a figure than Jesus of Nazareth. Even more impressively, this story went on. It said that Jesus got to Avalon, which is Glastonbury, with his family and Joseph, and then later returned to the Somerset town to hide the Holy Grail.

What an end to the Glastbury Festival, that would be a skull. You're leaving the carpock on a Monday, and you round it off by finding the Holy Grail. Yeah. To a great week. I reckon, if Jesus Mary and Joseph had got to England from Nazareth, I think that. they would have thought we should have stopped off earlier. Yeah. Weather-wise, Spain was better.

Yes, very good. Portugal was nice. I think we've messed up, actually. Why didn't we stop in one of those places? All the olive trees and the tan people. Yeah. Why are we here? Nice lemons.

Yeah, we could have stopped and lived in a nice lemon grove. As a final point, it was said that in Glasembury, Jesus had a son, a son who then had a rather famous great, great, great-grandson. Do you know who this great, great-great-grandson was said to be? Jubillium Judebillium. Great, great, great, grand... Good player.

Who? Who was said to be the great, great, great, great grandson? King Arthur or something? Yes, King Arthur. Exactly. So let's go back into the lyrics, Chris. How are you feeling about it now, this stirring story? You think it's...

Is it telling you a story you believe? Yeah, a little bit disorientated in my understanding of the story. Yeah, go on. So, despite all this, it became hugely popular. And I suppose the question is, how did this poem become an anthem? Well, Hubert Parry, he came to set the poem to music in 1916 at the height of the First World War. As a side note, check out, he's written some bangers, this guy. He also wrote the coronation anthem, I Was Glad.

Have you heard that? That's an amazing song. Really sort of swells, huge crescendo of organs. It's amazing for Edward the seventh. And also the anthem of Newfoundland, which is the ode to Newfoundland, which was used for that purpose in 1904. and the piece found its first great audience in the women's suffrage movement, which is a movement and a principle which Parry really supported. A year later, that shows how much he supported this movement,

he copyrighted the song in favour of the National Union of Women's Suffrage Societies, and when they dissolved in the 1920s, the copyright was then transferred to the Women's Institute, and it remains closely identified with that movement, which was founded, Elle, I will not even attempt to say this name, of course, in, now say the name, the longest place name in Wales. There you go, in 1915. That's where it kind of was moved over to them. And from the women's suffrage movement, Jerusalem then entered the Labour movement. So it's been moved from all these sort of areas in society who found it as a kind of an important anthem for them. became a popular song for the Labour movement, was then used by the Labour Party in their campaigns,

and as their campaign art anthem in 1945. And it continues to be sung each year at the party's annual conference. At the start of the conference, they sing Jerusalem to get things going at the Labour conference every year. So in conclusion, Jerusalem is a song that kind of speaks a very particular form of Englishness that Skull can't get enough of. And it's not uniquely patriotic like Royal Britannia, or even I vow to thee, my can't. country, a song which in its patriotic guys cause its composer, halts a socialist and a Buddhist to kind of turn away from his creation. It's not like that. But in sporting circles, Jerusalem

has been adopted as an anthem. The England and Wales cricket board uses it, as does Team England in the Commonwealth Games. It's almost always sung by England fans in pre-match build-ups in rugby internationals. And of course, back in 2000, it had its crowning moment. What was its crowning moment? Do we know what this was? Well, England got locked out quite early of Euro 2000, didn't it? Well, the musician Fat Les recorded the song as England's answer. Oh, yes, course. So, I mean, it was great that it ended up in the hands of one of England's truly great musicians, I think.

That's a very on the cake and what we were hoping for. According to Google Maps, Jesus, Mary and Joseph could have walked from Nazareth to Glastonbury in about 44 days. Okay. Do it totally doable. They could have, obviously, Spain and Portugal, way out of the way. But they could have stopped off in France. They could have stopped off in Germany. They could have stopped off in Istanbul.

That would be quite a nice place to settle. Is that taking into account the footwear of the time? Because that's a sandal-based walk. Sandal-based walk is also a walk that doesn't allow for any stops or sleep. That's 44 days straight through. Yeah. So, yeah, it's about 5,000 kilometres. So let's work this through.

So 44 days straight through isn't going to happen. We've got to double that. That's 88 days. And I think you've got to stick a third on for sandals. So I think you're looking at about 110 days walk there. Yeah. Yeah. They're tired.

It's going to go through hot countries. Yeah. I'm not buying it. I'll be perfectly honest. It's a nice story. No. But I'm not buying it. Sometimes the walk to the car park after Glastonbury feels like it takes 44 days.

Yeah. Yeah. So I feel like I've done it. Especially as you wear, you wear sandals at Glastonbury, don't you? To let the feet breathe. Just as Jesus did in Avalon. Exactly. Right.

Now then, what are referendums great sorting out? Everything. I would give a referendum to everything. And I think Brexit proved that. Now, in 1977, or referenda, as you meant to say, Australia went to the polls in a national plebiscite to choose the country's national song. On the ballot, you've got to.

got Walter Matilda, Song of Australia and Advanced Australia Fair. Now, the country's anthem then incredibly was God Save the Queen. This is up to 1977. Oh, wow. Wow. So, yeah, to 77 it had been God Save the Queen, but then there was a big plebiscite and the Aussies voted for Advanced Australia Fair, although South Australia, plump for the Song of Australia and the ACT, the Capital Territory, preferred Waltzing Matilda. A lot of the leading politicians of the time express their own performance for Waltsy Matilda. I like the Aussie anthem, Advanced Australia Fair. I think it sounds like a proper anthem.

How does it go? You sing it to me? How does it go? I can't remember the melody off the top of my head. I was playing it earlier on. It's a really rising anthemic tune. It's decent. I was playing this earlier on when I was going through my notes.

And that's Advanced Australia Fair on upper music, the single version. Radio, idiot. Yeah. So, yeah, now the 70s had seen advance Australia affair performed by the Gough Whitlam government in 1974. Whitlam, was a Labour Prime Minister

and a lifelong Republican, was keen to establish an independent identity for his country, but his successor, the Liberal Malcolm Fraser and Liberal Party there is the sort of Australian version of the Conservatives,

turned the clock back and restored God, save the Queen. Which is, you know, knowing modern Australian modern Australians. It's huge, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Can you imagine that? You're like, oh, I think it should be Advanced Australia Fair. And then you vote for a different government. They're like, I think God said the Queen's alright, actually. I think we'll stick with that. Stick with what we know. So the plebiscite was intended to resolve the matter.

It'd be quite nice, I think, when a new prime minister comes in, they just get to decide what the anthem is. It can be just their favourite song. It'd be quite nice for the country that every, you know, five years or so. It's completely new anthem. It could be something from the charts as kids like, but you just have to decide for your period, you're in power. Yeah, you've got a, yeah, born slippy by Underworld. Lager, laager, laager, laager, shouting. 28 days of that under Liz Truss. Do you know what the whole nation would really get behind?

My choice for English national anthem, the outro from Only Fools and Horses. No income tax, no VAT. Imagine Wembley singing that. God, makes your hair on the back of your neck turned up. Can you imagine up for a World Cup final? It's Brazil versus England. And now, of course, all star rise for the English national. No, it can't tax no be 18.

You know what, Skull? I'm completely behind you on that. I think that's great. Yeah, absolutely. I love it. Harry Kane scores the winner of the final, does a mime of Delboy falling through the bar. It's great.

Oh, yeah. It's theatre. Like an away end in some sort of Eastern European country in November. It's snowy. You can just hear it's a pocket 2,000 fans singing in the only for his and all's his outro. So, Advanced Australia Fair became the official national anthem in 1984 when it was made to by another Labour Prime Minister and another Republican, Bob Hawke, who was the first Australian Prime Minister I remember, actually.

He's the one who when Australia. when the America's Cup, which was the first time he had left New York in like 130-something years, it was this national day of celebration. He went, any of our boss that sex someone or tell someone off or coming here and hung over, that guy's a bum. So I've always liked Bob Hawke for that. Amazing. But just how Australian was this song, well, it was written in the 1870s,

first performed on St. Andrews Day, 1878, published the following month. The composer was Peter Dodds McCormick. was born in Port Glasgow on the banks of the River Clyde in Scotland in 1833. He emigrated to Sydney in 1855 when he was 22 years of age, where he worked as a joiner. Now, eventually he became a teacher and was employed by the New South Wales Board of Education. As a side hustle, he composed songs, mostly songs with a Scottish flavour. Advance Australia Fair, certainly very patriotic, but it was also rather sort of an imperial tomb, with second and third verses, which read as follows,

when Gallant Cook from Albion sailed to trace wide oceans over, true British courage bore him on till he landed on our shore. Then here he raised Old England's flagged the standard of the brave, with all the faults we love us still. Britannia rules the wave, and joyful strains and let us sing, advance Australia fair. So yeah, it was... Wow.

You know, it doesn't feel very Australian anymore, does it? No, not at all. Nods there then to the legacy of Captain Cook, Royal Britannia, of course, and a Rosbury to the Americans who considered themselves to be the land of the brave. McCormick recalled later that he wrote the song after attending an exhibition in which the national anthems of the world were played. This was very nicely done, but I felt very aggravated that there was not one note for Australia. On the way home in a bus, I concocted the first verse of my song. While I got home, I set it to music.

Now, that verse is still the opening one and sung the world over. So not yet the official anthem of Australia. the song was recorded during the First World War to encourage and support the Australian troops who sailed for service in Europe, notably in the Dardanelle campaign. In a similar move, the Australian Broadcasting Corporation

used the song as their radio theme in the 1940s, doing so during the Second World War, when, of course, once more Australian troops were involved in service around the world, notably in the Pacific Theatre of War. Now, of course, we get to the breakup of the British Empire. So that happened in the decades

which followed after the war. Yeah. And it led to many countries abandoning God Save the Queen, as it was then, of course, in favour of their own independent Hampton. South Africa abandoned God Save the Queen in 57, Jamaica in 62, Sri Lanka in 1972, Canada moved on from its use in the 60s, with O Canada using its place. Oh, Canada's a good one.

Yeah, that's great. Oh, Canada. Yeah, it's a cracker, I think. Now, New Zealand made similar decisions with God defend New Zealand used instead. So Whitlam's decisions in 74. followed his Australia address in 73, in which he called for an anthem that fittingly embodies our national aspirations

and reflects our status as an independent nation. So following the adoption, it was first played on the international level in the 74 World Cup in Germany. West Germany, of course, as it was then, coincidentally, the first time Australia had qualified for that competition, and luckily, they were in a very tough group,

West Germany, East Germany and Chile. I mean, that's a group of death, isn't it? That's tough. So that means that the Advanced Australia Fair got its debut as the National Anthem for Sport at the Volkspark Stadium in Hamburg on the 14th of June 1974 when Australia played East Germany. But it was a controversial decision. And right-wing Australians refused to use Advanced Australia Fair in any circumstances.

Harry Budd of the country party in New South Wales complained that the song was foolish and banal. I mean That's unfair It's just As someone who's No but as someone who's used to His countries One's countries

And for them being fairly set in stone Yeah I find it hard to imagine And the same with God save the Queen I mean there's discussion around every World Cup in Euros But I don't think realistically can't see it changing For a very long time So the idea that

You know a leader of a political party You say oh shit that wasn't it? Yeah, it's quite strange, isn't it? Yeah. And that's the point, really. As countries emerged from the shadow of the British Empire, there were those who preferred retaining far stronger ties to the mother country to Britain and those whose preference is laying independent.

So all too often patriotism, national identity being associated with the political right and with more traditional forms of culture. But that was not the case in Australia where, as in England, where there's the preference for Jerusalem, the campaign for positive national identity comes from the political left. So the lyrics of Advanced Australia Fair may well have been updated over the years, reflecting the evolution of Australia from a dominion within the British Empire to an independent country, to a country now that's more aware of its indigenous population.

Yeah. So that only the first verse of McCormick's song has survived in its 1870s version. Okay. But if he was to hear it play today, he would recognise that it's his. Yeah. And, you know, you can't doubt that. And yeah, I don't think there's any discussion now for whether Advanced Australia Affairs should be Australia's anthem.

I think it's accepted by left and right. Yeah, that's really interesting. It is a good anthem, isn't it? It's got a good tune to it. I think it sounds legit. I think it sounds like a proper... It's like the French anthem's a good one. The Italians have got a good one.

I'm quite into some of those Eastern European nations that have seen mad, like loads of trumpets and... Yeah, yeah. Just complex. going off, old school. Yeah. We lack that. I just think God save the king.

It's just da-da-da-da-ta-ta-to-hose. It's a bit dirgy, isn't it? Durgy. Get Jerusalem in. Get it in. Get it in. You never have failing that. Only Fools and horses,

outro or intro. Quite sort of introspective, sad folk would be quite nice for an anthem. Just to mix it off. Yeah. Get you on a new sum to do it for God's sleep. Yeah, with a heart. It was Belgium or whatever.

Just sort of quite. sad and everyone's singing, sort of shoegazing as they sing. I'd like that. Do you know, the national anthems I absolutely have no time for. The ones without words. Oh yeah. What we're doing here. I think Spain doesn't have words

do they? I think Spanish national anthem. Like, guys. You've got our lyrics. You've got to have words. Totally. What we do in here. Yeah. And every week you send a new set of lyrics to Spain, don't you? Another set rejected. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Really interesting. I think that was fascinating. So take home points. Chris, you think Jerusalem should be on national anthem? Stand by it. Yeah. Elle,

you're happy with yours. I am, yeah. Florida Scotland, I like as well. Yeah, and I think the Prime Minister should get free choice

when they get into power and it stays that way until they go. Yeah, get Burnham on the case. Exactly. There you go. He'd pick a banger, wouldn't it?

Loves his tunes. What in a Manchester Staples? That'd be good. Yeah. Yeah. It would end up being Blue Monday. Yeah, perfect. There you go. Thank you very much to our wonderful historian, Dr Darrell Leeworthy, for fantastic research.

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