Oh What A Time... - #198 French Towns & The Kooks (Part 2)

Episode Date: September 14, 2026

This is Part 2! For Part 1, check the feed!This week we’re taking a historical audio holiday to some of our favourite French towns. We’ll head to the very Roman Nîmes, we’ll dine out in Dinan and finally we’ll get the true story of Deauville/Trouville.And elsewhere this week we’re asking: what’s better? Blagging it? Or pure honesty that you have absolutely no idea what’s going on? And do you know much about The Kooks and their burger habit?If you’ve got anything on this or anything else at all: [e-mail] if you want more Oh What A Time and both parts at once, you should sign up for our Patreon! On there you’ll now find:•The full archive of bonus episodes•Brand new bonus episodes each month•OWAT subscriber group chats•Loads of extra perks for supporters of the show•PLUS ad-free episodes earlier than everyone elseJoin us at 👉 patreon.com/ohwhatatimeAnd as a special thank you for joining, use the code CUSTARD for 25% off your first month.You can also follow us on: X (formerly Twitter) at @ohwhatatimepodAnd Instagram at @ohwhatatimepodAaannnd if you like it, why not drop us a review in your podcast app of choice?Thank you to Dan Evans for the artwork (idrawforfood.co.uk).Chris, Elis and Tom x Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Oh, What a Time is now on Patreon. You can get main feed episodes before everyone else, add free, plus access to our full archive of bonus content, two bonus episodes every month, early access to live show tickets and access to the Oh Water Time group chat. Plus, if you become an O Water Time All-Timer, myself, Tom and Ellis, will riff on your name to postulate where else in history you might have popped up. For all your options, you can go to patreon.com forward slash oh water time. Hello and welcome to part two of French cities slash town slash places. We've just done a bonus episode for our patrons on childhood. Would you like to hear a little bit of it? Of course you would. Here it is.

Well, in the year 2000, I think I'll probably be the spaceship to the moon dictating to robots. Or I may be a funeral of a computer. And as someone who updated the operating system on as Mac the other day, I wish I could have a funeral for my own computer, because that's effectively what's happening. the desktop is now unusable. Ellis, if you wouldn't mind talking us through how you see the funeral of a computer playing out,

not the album, the actual day. Can I have both? How does the concept album the funeral of the computer? So let's start with the day, the actual funeral, the day of where the morning begins. Take us through what's happening at the funeral of a computer. What are you wearing? What's happening? Where is it?

Well, obviously it's black tie. Of course. None of this, the computer loved bright colors. So we'd like you all to wear bright colours so that we can remember the computer in the way it would have been wanted to have, it would have wanted to have been remembered. No, everyone's in very somber sort of morning clothes, morning outfits, you know, lots of very dark blues, navies, dark greys and black.

White shirts for the, you know, white shirts for the men if they're wearing suits. Who's there? Let's get a guest to this. Tim Berners-Lee, probably. Tim Berners-Lee would be there. Science correspondent. Is it Hugh Pim, the science correspondent for the BBC? Yeah, absolutely.

Zuckerberg, of course. Zuckerberg Gates Musk. And my friend Craig, who had a SNS and an N-64, he'll be there. And I've never been more jealous of. Craig is front row. We've got people there from Apple, Microsoft, Dell, Hewlett-Packard. The first kid in my score who told me about the internet was Michael Haddon. Can he come?

Michael Handen's there. Michael Haddon's special. Michael Hathen's speaking, actually. Is it buried? Is it cremated? Or is it something different? What's happening? It's just thrown against the pavement and smashed.

And everyone there stamps on it. What they do is the power buttons are top right on side. The vicar will try it one more time. It's fully charged. I charged it overnight. It's definitely got enough battery, but it's not coming on. Yeah, has it been defragged? Yeah, it's been defragged.

Look, I'm pressing power. Yeah, there's nothing. Did you store the stuff to an external hard drive? No, it's all lost. Was it on the cloud? No, I never set that up. So then what we're going to do? We're going to smash it.

Smash against it, and everyone attacks it with hammers. And it's very, very cathartic. And we're thinking in the eulogy, they're saying things like, but he lives on in this MacBook Pro, whatever. And then someone from the Apple store puts all the information across from one computer to the other. And everyone goes, oh yeah, you're right. All hope is not lost. He's going to live on in this new computer. And the minister makes everyone laugh by saying, but realistically, everyone does everything on their phones these days.

They do, actually. And it uses that joke with all the computer funeral, and it always rips it, yeah. I don't know what you're thinking for songs at the end of the funeral, but together in electric dreams, feels like a perfect sign-off. Yeah, what are they serving at the buffet? Chips? Oh, wonderful. Made in a microwave. Here you are. Absolutely.

Microchips. Microchips. There you get, even better. There we go. That was a little excerpt from our bonus episode on childhood. If you want that full episode, you go to patreon.com. It's worth saying, by the way, Chris, it's a video episode. Wow, moving images.

Wow. If you can imagine such a... It's like basically being at the cinema, but at home. Okay. I'm going to tell you now about one of my favorite places in the world. Crane, you're very similar to myself. we have often talked together about maybe one day retiring to the south of France. And should I do that, I think I will find myself not far from Niem.

If you want to see, I mentioned this in part one, I can't, if you want to go to have a Roman holiday and see some epic scenes from antiquity, I think Neme is the best place in the world to do just that. Better than Rome. Better than Rome, I think. Rome. So it's more Rome than Rome. I think genuinely, this is the theme of my section. Have you been to Rome? I found it a bit like higgledy, piggledy, like, okay, it's got some amazing things.

You can see some of those scenes from antiquity, like the Colosseum, but it's all a bit like, I don't know, it's unsatisfying. I would say there are points in Rome which are some of the most breathtaking things I've ever seen. The Trevi Fountain is mind-blowing. I would also say it is the most uncomfortably hot place I've ever been in my entire life. My ex and I went in the heat of summer And it was not the most relaxing week Well, this is what I was going to ask Because my mum and dad went

In April to avoid that I think they had an okay time So when were you there? Do you remember? So we went in August Oh Yeah, and it was a mistake Yeah I remember keep having to buy bottles of water

Just to pour over my head As we were walking around With the greatest of respect, right? Totty is one of my favourite footballers ever. Yeah. Rum, born and bread. Always had a good time. Always had a good town.

I can't imagine him doing that. What, pouring water over his head. Not in the queue first. But he's not queuing up to see the colomboleptium. He lives there. He'd been his massive air-conditioned house. As you were going around the Coliseum, I remember the tour guys say something on the lines of many,

many, many people have died here today. And I remember looking around our group and thinking, I think there'll be a few more to tell. People clinging on to what little life they had in this blazing heat. But it's an amazing city. I think I just chose the wrong time to go. And I actually would argue that architecturally has just something incredible, incredible moments. But those places, unfortunately, are packed with 7,000 other tourists trying to look at them.

I would describe Rome like revels. Like, okay, every now and again, you're going to get the orange chocolate thing. The rest of the time, it's okay. It's okay. I've never been to room I'd love to go to room What about Venice? You've been to Venice?

I have But I didn't love it I didn't love it I didn't love it I pissed down when I was there Did it okay So I had quite a miserable time We went once again

Heat of Summer too busy Couldn't move That's a theme here There's important to learn For any mistakes Isn't it Anyway let me tell you about Neme The Neme sits in the south of France

And it contains Some of the most Spectacular Roman archaeology in Europe So you've got this huge huge dual-level arena Coliseum that's in better condition than the Coliseum in Rome. Oh, wow.

You've got this, you've got, I think, the most, I think it's the most impressive thing from antiquity, which is this three-tiered aqueduct, the Pond de Gard, which I'm going to get you to Google in a minute. And there's also a Roman watchtower called the Tormania,

which I climbed up at the top of this massive hill. Bit disappointing. And a beautifully preserved temple, the Mazon Carri. It is essentially, France is Rome. But let's start the story before the Romans even arrive. So the town began life as a gaulish

settlement named after a local deity called Nemesis. He was probably a spring god connected to the pre-Roman sacred spring that still gushes at the heart of the city. I love that. This is a thing I love again about what makes names so good. If I've had to design

my dream city, it needs a spring. I don't know. Well, I grew up in Bath, Chris. Yeah. Bath, Aquasulis, is It's based around a hot spring. The reason it became this large city is because of the hot springs there. It's a good reason to build a city in a place. It is a good reason, absolutely.

But then this kind of earlier identity was absorbed rather than erased when Rome arrived. Actually, all joking part, Chris, sorry, you're so right, it is a good reason because at a time prior to hot showers, the ability to have hot water coming out of the ground and actually relaxing it in a way when all water would just be freezing otherwise. too. Also, I've spent quite a lot of time in Bath. It is a fantastic place. Yeah, it's lovely.

It is a fantastic place. And I am now Google imaging names. Oh, get ready. Gee whiz. Do you know what, listener? I'm going to tell you what to Google. Look at the pictures of this stuff I'm telling you about. So, okay, let's go back.

So in the second century, BCE, the region was annexed into the Roman Empire and folded into the province of Gallia Norbenis, a swat of Southern Gaul. that included Massilia, modern Marseille, Anabo, modern Nabon. Neneem was the most important town, or at least definitely one of them.

The best surviving piece of that pre-Roman past is the Tormania, the Great Tower. Please Google the Tor mania, T-O-U-R-M-A-G-N-E. So this is at the very top of a hill which overlooks Neem. It was originally built at the end of the third century BCE. It stood around 18 metres tall. There's probably a Gaulish watchtower

overlooking the town. When the Romans took control, the Emperor Augustus had it enlarged to about 36 metres, and then erosion happened, and it's knocked down to about 32.5 meters. It's all right. I went on a very hot neem day, and it's at the very top of this hill you've got to climb. I was absolutely exhausted by the time I got to the top of it, and really not that invested in whatever this thing was at the top. But the exact original purpose, which I found frustrating, having walked to the top of this hill, the exact original purpose, is disputed. Was it watch duty signaling a projection of power

over the surrounding countryside? All of those options are likely, first for the Gauls and then for the Romans, but no one knows for sure. Next up is a really impressive structure. It's called the Maison Carri. It is one of the most complete Roman temples anywhere in the world. And I'm going to

tell you later, it has such a fascinate. The consequences of this magnificent building are really amazing. It looks a bit like the Parthenon. It looks exactly like, yeah, it's a great example of like a Roman temple of Roman architecture. So it was built in 2 AD. It was dedicated to the imperial cult, the practice of worshipping the emperor as a semi-divine figure.

Specifically, it was built in honour of Augustus's young heirs, Gaius and Lucius Caesar, who both died prematurely and were known as the princes of youth. The temple typified Augustine architecture and demonstrated something important, the uniformity of the imperial project, whether you were in North Africa, southern France, Western Asia, the Romans wanted to show this is what Roman authority looks like. So it's a magnificent temple, but it's also like a great piece of Roman branding. And it's very similar. If you were to draw your archetypal Roman structure, I think you'd probably end up with something

similar to the Maison Carri. But this next thing, I think is the most astonishing structure from antiquity. because it looks like something that Brunel himself would have built. It looks like something from the Industrial Revolution. It's the Pondugard, P-O-N-T-D-U-G-A-R-D. You've got to check this out. You don't need to spell these for me, by the way, Chris. I'm getting them exactly right each time, yeah.

Good, okay, good, 10 points. So this is a feat. This is an extraordinary feat of engineers. Look at that. So it's a three-tiered aqueduct, and it sits just outside the city. it was built in the middle of the first century AD during the reign of Emperor Claudius. It is one of the most impressive surviving pieces of Roman infrastructure anywhere in the world.

To my money, it is the best. So this is another astonishing thing about this amazing piece of engineering. How old is that, sorry? So it was built around the first century AD. No way. Yeah. It's like, doesn't it look like something that, if I, if I were, was told before seeing it that Brunel would build that himself, I'd go, yeah, that adds up.

That's incredible. So it cost around 30 million cisterces, to put that into context, 30 million cistercies is what it took. The average Roman laborer earned around four cistercies a day. A Roman legionary earned around 700 cistercies a year, and a senator's minimum income was one million cistercies. So it took around a thousand workers to build this, and it took 15 years. and the whole purpose of the aqueduct is to bring fresh water into Neme

so the source for the water is the Fontaine de Err near Ouses some 20 kilometres north inside the city the water arrived at a could we've only just discovered that well in the 1840s they discovered this that the water would come into the city and then go through a control structure called the Castellum Devisorium

which was like a Roman water manifold so using sluice gates to distribute the water into various pipes serving the tambor. This bit of infrastructure was totally forgotten about for almost 2,000 years. They've discovered it in the 1840s. Sorry, did you say the source of the water at a place called oozes?

Yes. Yes, yes. Okay, perfect. It's good, just as a good name for a place. Is that word? No, it can't have come from that, no. On an adjacent point, is that the bath? And bath?

Yeah, I'm sure that's why. Yeah, yeah. Acrosunus it was called before, but yeah, I'm sure that's why, yeah. Then you've also got, if that's not enough, you've got the Coliseum. So the Coliseum in Neme was constructed around 100 AD. It was about two decades after they've completed the Coliseum in Rome, and this is Neme's great arena. Amazingly, it's still used for concerts today.

When I've been there, I've been to Neme a couple of times, and they've had big concerts on. You can actually go there and watch a concert. That's fantastic. So, I mean, that's the condition. it's in, it's still good enough to go. Imagine saying you've headlined a Coliseum. I've never been to a concert there, but it's definitely something I really want to do.

So what's amazing about the Coliseum in Neem is that when it was built, the population of Neim was thought to be around 40,000 to 50,000. But the capacity of the arena, when it was built 100 AD, was around 24,000 spectators, which means about half the population of Neem could be housed around these 30-tiered galleries of the Neme Coliseum. It means it's bigger than Swansea Stadium. Really? And some of the football we're playing at the moment, more people deserve to watch it. We know about roughly 400 Roman arenas that have existed.

The one in Neme is in the top 20 by size. And it's one of the best preserved, if not the best preserved as well. So that's another reason. And just also on the subject of Baths, Neem has also had its own Roman Bass. They were built around the ancient sacred spring, much as would later happen at the town of Bath in England. And the Associated Temple was dedicated to the goddess Diana, whose spheres of interest included the moon, the wilderness, and childbirth. I mentioned the Maison Carrey. What's interesting about that is 1787, one of Neem's most influential tourists arrived, Thomas Jefferson.

The future US president was travelling through the south of France, and he was just not. mesmerized by Neme, and he visited the arena, the baths and the temple of Diana. He wrote to a friend, I have been nourished with the remains of Roman grandeur. But inspired directly by what he saw at the Maison Carri, this amazing example of Roman architecture, Jefferson went home and designed the Virginia State Capitol in Richmond in the same classical Roman style he had seen in Neme. So it was the first major public building in the United States to be modeled on a Roman temple. it was all because Thomas Jefferson had been to Neem and seen it and just loved it.

Neem had another famous visitor a few years later, and Mr. Napoleon Bonaparte. We went there and began planning a grand monument, his grand army in central Paris. He too turned to the Maison Carrey as his model. So he wanted to build this grand monument, and again, it was the Maison Carrey that inspired him. The result was the Agalese della Madeline commissioned in 1806, construction drags. on for decades. The building almost became the first railway station in Paris. Finally, it became a church in 1842. And then nearly a century after Jefferson in 1882, the Anglo-American novelist Henry James came to Neem and left a rather more grudging appreciation. He said,

in general, Neem is poor. Henry James is an idiot. Its only treasures are its Roman remains, which are of the first order. But he was impressed with the arena, which he thought in much better preservation than the great circus at Rome. And Neme is such a fantastic place to go visit. Today, it gets around two million visitors a year. And it's not just lovely quaint streets and nice to get a coffee, have a beer. It's a lovely place. I've got to go there. Yeah. It looks fantastic. I've got a d'enol as well. That looks amazing. I have an answer to you, Chris. The name Bath originates from the Anglo-Saxon word baum or bawn. I'm probably pronouncing that wrong, meaning at the baths,

which evolved from the old English dative plural by. So there you are. So it does come from the words at the bath. And also I will visit Neme because that sounds amazing. Okay. Pop quiz, although this is a tough one. Do either of you know how many districts that are in Paris? Oh.

Are they not called Arondicement? Yeah. And how many points do I get for that? You get a separate point. that's just a sort of respect point. Is it ends with eight though, is it 58? No, it's, well, there are 20 districts in Paris, right? But for the 19th and early 20th century,

especially if you were well-to-do one from Paris, there was a 21st, and it was a very easy railway journey way in Doville, or Doville, on the Norman coast, right? And then it had a separate, sort of brother community, which was a bit more working class, and it was called Truville-Sumere. So Dover was a fashionable resort,

attracted all sorts of visitors, including Proust and F. Scott Fitzgerald, the artists, Monet and Picasso, Richard Burton, Elizabeth Taylor, and Orson Wells. Also, Coco Chanel, Eve San Loren. So, I mean, it's big, right? It attracts the elites.

Coco Chanel, in fact, opened her first boutique in the town. Now, as a guest list, that's absolutely massive. Yeah. Because, you know, Claudia Winkleman is struggling to get in. Yeah. If you've got Proust, F. Scott, Fitzgerald, Monet, Picasso, Richard Burton, Elizabeth, Taylor, Norton, Wilson, Wells, Cochrechanel, Anib, San Loren. That's that massive, isn't it?

You're going to that dinner party, L? What's your sort of angle of chat? Where are you feeling most comfortable that you think is not going to disappoint them all? It has to be sport. Yeah, but... I would... So you talk about the championship with Coco Chanel. I would make a B-line for Richard Burton and I'd be discussing rugby with him.

Yeah, okay. But he died in 1984, I think, so it would be 70s rugby. So that's right. I'm going food. Possibly condiments. You'd be discussing what, condiments with Eve Sander Ron.

Best hot sauce. Yeah, exactly. The best hot sauce. With Chanel. With Orson Wells. Anyway, Doeville, or together with Truville,

emerges a resort in the second half of the 19th century with the construction of the railway, hippodrome, theatres, hotels, casinos and La Terrace, which is a hydrotherapeutic complex, designed for taking the waters, a bit like you would in bath. So the novelist,

Henry James, wrote by this early period in his novel Confidence, published in 1879. And for him, Dover was a place where the wealthy could mingle, they could merge, they could watch and spy on each other, and love this, a location where Americans could learn bad habits from Europeans.

Great. And there's a lovely sexist joke from the time. Doville was where you took your wife on holiday. Truville was where you kept your mistress when you got there. Lovely stuff. Now, the heyday of the resort began in the years immediately prior to the outbreak of the First World War in 1914. So there were these two businessmen. And they over so much of the expansion and the innovation.

So one of them was Desiree Le Ock, who was the mayor of Doverville from 1900 to his death in 19191919, who facilitated the construction of the new casino in 1912. The Hotel Normandy, that same year was as the Hotel Royale in 1913. And to prove Dover's modernity, he inaugurated a motor car race in the town in 1901s, where Grand Prix followed in 1936. So many of these initiatives, particularly the casinos, Le Ock was. joined by Eugene Leon Connuch, who was a Parisian,

and he made his money in the restaurant trade. And Chanel joined Dover in this period as well. So following her debut hat shop at 21 Rucambon in Paris, which opened in 1910,

she had a full boutique in Doveril in 1913. So obviously this was the place to be. So if Coco Chanel is opening shops there, you're like, okay, this is big. When are you guys

going to get around to opening your debut hat shops? I'm going to do it on my 50th birthday as a treat to myself. So in about four or five years' time, I haven't got a spot yet, but I will be opening my hot shop. Is this three hats of the world? What are we thinking, hey, or is it just baseball caps or? Just the fares. And you'll be closing it one day later.

It's a fess shop. And it's going to be called festival. genuinely, if we went on Dragon's Den and got 10 million pounds investment into Ellis James's Fez Shop and I got you number one Regent Street for a year, how many Fezzers would you sell? I don't think I could keep a Fez Shop open for a day. I think we would be done and dusted within 24 hours. I reckon you'd get an early rush of the curious. Of Moroccans.

The first or second of Jan. The London Moroccan community would come. I think your only chance if it's Regent Street is to lean into the tourist angle and stick sort of British bulldogs and stuff like that on. The Union Jacks. The King. I know it doesn't make any sense, but people will buy anything when they're on holiday, basically. My cook's eating burgers, feds, which is flying off the shelf. I would buy one.

I definitely buy one. Yeah, you just need 150 Chris Sculls a day. You'd love it. Per hour. If we were at Glastonbury, Chris turned up, wearing a fez with a picture of a coops eating eating burgers on it, I would absolutely love it. I think you'd make the press. It's a complete, a nonsense of it, yeah.

So she was to, so, Kukasham was to pioneer the business of Parisian stores, opening outlets in the resort, and as such, was proudly photographed in front of her shop, using money given for the project by the British diplomat intelligence officer and friend of Lloyd's George, after Boy Cappell. So two years later, 1915, Chenel's first shop opened a beer writ, so the Doverville shop was where customers could buy leisure apparel, much of it was made from fabrics,

then most commonly was for men's underwear. So Doeville and Rovill were well on their way to become in centres of the Torres Strait by 1914, but obviously the war was incredibly disruptive, especially when the French army, the French army and the Canadian expeditionary force established hospitals and recuperation centres in the town, with the hotels and the casinos commandeered for the purpose.

So suddenly it doesn't feel like a fun sort of weekend getaway to sit because there'll be loads of recuperating soldiers there. So after the war, the resort regained its momentum and again attracted very high profile figures. So it was mentioned by F. Scott Fitzgerald and the Great Gatsby, as well as Ernest Hemingway in his short stories. But it was a young Ian Fleming who was most sort of especially inspired by what you saw,

especially the casino as he floated on the continent in the 30s. So he was a frequent visitor to the casino dovill, absorbing its high stakes atmosphere, views at the tables. Sounds far too glam for me all of this. Oh, I just so uncomfortable. It's like when I, because I've sort of interested in F1 a little bit from this program called F1's Air to Drive or whatever it's called on Netflix. And they all live in Monaco. And whenever they have those sort of moments where they spend time with the drivers of their houses in Monaco, I think this place is not for me at all. I just think I'd feel really stupid and uncomfortable and inelegant.

and everyone's got a portion and a linen shirt it's just not me yeah so the way the clientele behaved and the way that class of people behaved really stuck in his mind so when he when he sat down to write

the first James Bond novel Casino Royale in 1952 that was the setting he wanted so his casino located in the fictional realisation would be modelled on the casino he knew at Dover with elements taken from other

gambling establishments with which he was familiar. Later blobs put it at the casino in Doverill, Bond's name is Baccarat. So there's no fiction there. So after the Second World War, I suffered from the fate of many seaside resorts as international travel and sunseeking took over.

So it wasn't until the 70s, particularly with the launch of the Doveral American Film Festival in 1975, the place began to recover, because Burton and Taylor had gone there in 1970. So the idea of the festival is to show films that are only a few privileged, amazed, astonished people had discovered in New York or Los Angeles to French audiences without exclusion, barriers or bias.

Among the films shown that year, there was Nashville, directed by Robert Altman. The 1977 festival offered a preview of Star Wars. With Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford doing the honours in promotion. But if you happen to go to Doville to become somebody or to feel like you are for a moment, then the great attraction is surely Le Planche, which is the promenade by the sea,

which stretches for more than half a kilometre, and is lined with more than 200 Art Deco bathing boxes or cabins made from Madagascan woods. So that was opened in July 1924, and the walkway was designed by an architect called Charles Adder, and it sort spoke to post-war optimism and opulence, and these days they're inscribed to the names of the rich and famous, because, I mean, that is where the rich and famous went.

Wow. And I know we're spinning back to Chris's topic, but Neme is twinned with Verona, which makes sense in Italy. It's twinned with Prague, which makes sense in the Cherokee Republic, and amazingly, Preston. Yeah. I don't know. Did it remind you of Preston? What is the – I bet they'd say, I'd love to know it from listeners. There must be a really odd twinning.

Yeah. I mean, that's up there, I'd say. That's up there. Is it just take two mayors to go, yeah, right, let's be twinned? Or is there something more formal than that? I think there's often some kind of the mayor gets to visit that place and vice versa and really, the mayor gets free holidays. And then they end up putting the name on the sign.

Twin with Vegas and New York, chippenum, whatever. Chippenum. Yeah. Amazing. Interesting. Let's, as a closing point, decide where we'd all like to live. I think your one feels too glamorous, L, to be honest. I think Neme feels like the winner.

because it's got the Coliseum with the theatre in it. Lots going on. My one sounds lovely. Much you watching gigs there. Yeah. I think meme has it, to be honest. Yeah. That's for the win, as the phrase goes. Thank you for bearing with us with some horrible French pronunciation in this episode. Yes, sorry about that.

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