Oh What A Time... - #49 Blunders The Sequel (Part 2)

Episode Date: June 3, 2024

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Hello and welcome back. This episode is on Blunders. Part 2 of Blunders Part 2. Let's get on with it. It's a tart poo of the Lunders episode. Sorry, it's just one big bloody blunder after another. Oh yeah, blunders. Okay, right, I'm taking you back to 1788. Now Austria is led by the Holy Roman Emperor Joseph the Second.

He's the ruler, incidentally, appears in the film Amadeus. And Austria found itself at war with the Ottoman Empire. Now at the time, Europe was absolutely ravaged by conflict. So let's have a sort of top of the pops countdown. The Ottomans already at war with the Russian empire. Russians also at war with the Swedes who were in turn at war with Denmark and Norway. In short, it was a fucking nightmare. Europe was... It was chaos. Was anyone not at war? Was it real bragging rights if you weren't at war? It would be so relaxing to not be at war wouldn't it? You'd be like, well let's just concentrate on the economy. Like the aisles are silly were the only places that weren't at war or something.

Now the Austrians fear that either the Prussians or the French would intervene on behalf of the Ottomans and in any case there's already a rebellion underway in the low countries, the part that we know called Belgium, which might in turn bring British intervention. So, you know, as I said, things were a mess. Austria potentially caught in a transcontinental vice. Okay, so everyone's panicking in Austria. Now, the Austrian war with the Ottomans, which began in February, 1788, was conducted in part because of Joseph's ambitions for more territory in the Balkans, particularly in Serbia. So it was there that his troops concentrated their efforts. God, leaders back then, they loved territory.

Yeah. I'd have been like, I think we're fine as we are, actually. What are you going to do with that territory? What's going to happen I suppose? Mola mate mate mate in money yeah Mola they loved it didn't they? So that in it was a particularly in Serbia that's where his troops concentrated their efforts so for much of the campaign Joseph led his troops personally rather than remain at home in Vienna that's another thing hundreds of years ago

kings actually been on the sort of leading leading armies into battle. I tell you must have been a relief if you're a king when they cut that out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not expected to go to war. And the first couple of generations when they had cut it out, you got, well, you know, if you, if it was your grandfather, they'd be out there. You should come and yourself lucky. You'd be like, well, you know? I'm better on a banknote than I am in front of my arms. Because it'd be quite demoralising if I died, especially for me.

But I've got different talents to Granddad, haven't I, mum? I've got different strengths. The idea of me as a warrior, in a way is more powerful than me as an actual warrior. Yeah. Let's invent some myths around how cool and strong I am. Was it, would there be an age cut off for this sort of thing? For instance, let's say if it's still the case now, the Queen, how old was the Queen when she died? She was in her 90s.

Yeah. Would she still have been expected to lead the army out, age 90, in her pearls and high heels? Did a bit of Morse code on a boat somewhere, can you? Yeah. Or was there a point where you go, you don't need to lead the army anymore? Are you still having to be on a white steed, leading the... On a steed. On a steed. On a steed.

The blunder of all blunders took place overnight near the city of Karnsebs, which now lies in the west of modern-day Romania. So exactly what happened next is difficult to determine, but there is a mythical account and one that is probably closer to the truth. I mean, both versions, the Ottoman Empire were able to capture Karnsebs without losing a single soldier and the Austrians were forced to retreat. Wow. But, that doesn't that that that that that that doesn't that doesn't that doesn't that doesn't that doesn't that doesn't that doesn't that doesn't that doesn't that doesn't that doesn't that doesn't that doesn't that doesn't that doesn't that doesn't that doesn't forced to retreat. Wow. But that doesn't sound great, does it? No. No, a single one. Not a single one. Such was their embarrassment.

That the incident eventually developed into a myth of epic proportions, with a level of casualties reaching as many as 10,000. What? What? That's incredible. Yeah. 10,000 nil. That's incredible. Yeah. 10,000-nil. How is that possible? Now if you're going to blunder, you may as well do it properly. In this exaggerated version of the story,

the cavalry units of the 100,000 strong Austrian army who crossed the Timish River first were visited by local Romanians who offered to sell schnaps. As the horsemen were busy getting drunk, so many cockups in history involved getting pissed. I think it's not a time to be getting drunk when you're at war. Me and the camp. Don't, me on the date I should have been keeping it together. Have a big night out when you get back to Vienna. Yeah once you've won the battle. the same to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to get to to to be to to to be the the to be. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the theycoxhococucoxhocucoockupockupockupockucoockupockupooooooom.aucooom.a. tieaucoooooom. tip. tip. their their their their their the won the battle. But not now. Keep it simple, like the Sam Haman's crazy gang. Just don't, no complicated tactics here, please.

Yeah, just get it in the mixer. As the horse mower was getting drunk, the infantry regiments arrived and demanded their share of the booze. When they were a fuse, temper's frayed and shots were eventually fired. Now, one soldier was killed at this point. So the situation descending in a deadly chaos shortly afterwards when more troops crossed the river, someone shouted, Turks, and this caused a panic and what was a multilingual army. So they're shooting each other.

They're hammered and they're shooting each other. So when the German speaking officers tried the best to get control of the situation, their command, halt, their their their their their their their their their their their their th, th, tholion, tholion, thuult, thult, thuad, thuad, thus, tho, tho, tho, tho, the, the, tho-s, their, their, their, their, their, their, t, thea, thea, thea, thea, thea, too, too, too, too, tops, tops, tops.............. tops, tops.. tops, tops. tool, toolion, toolion, tool, tool, tool, tool, tool, tool, tool, tootseauuks, tool, toofs, tootsea, tool, tool, tool, tried the best to get control of the situation, their command, Halt, was misunderstood as a Turkish command and a battle ensued. At one point, artillery fire thundered and that was responsible for most of the deaths. Now, apparently that isn't what happened, but it is the myth and it is a cracking story. Now the more mundane explanation was given in a British almanac published a few months later. Here it was said that two parts of the Ocean Army had mistaken each other for the enemy in the night, possibly after scouts reported finding enemy troops nearby. So a small number of soldiers were subsequently killed by friendly fire before order was restored.

Estimates vary from a very conservative figure of a 150 through to around a thousand at the upper range and this is what the almanac said of the scene. The terror, disorder and confusion was so great that the batmen threw the reins off their horses and the wagon is theirs from the carriages and made their escape in different ways all with the fears directing them so they just panicked. Wow just ran off in random directions. Now unfortunately for the Austrians regardless to to to the the toe the the the the the the toenters. toen. the the the the toenters. toen. the the the the toen. the the the the the thereen. thiann. threen. threen. threaten. thian. threaten. threaten. threaten. the. the. the. the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. The baten. The baten. The baten. The baqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqa. theat. theat. theateateateateateateateateat. theateateateateat. theateateat. theat. the batenen regardless of the trigger for the blunder, part of the baggage train was left behind in the chaos, including, get this, the part which contained the soldiers pay. Okay, perfect. So obviously, now you're doing it via faster payments, you're doing it via backs. But in those days, they're all paid in cash. So by the time they realized what had happened, the pay chest had been captured by the gloating but bblotting, but be wilting, but be wilting, but be wilting, but th. But, but th. But, th. But, th. But, the th. But, the the the th. th. the th. the the th. th. th. thi, their, thi, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get, get. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their by the time they realized what had happened the pay chest had been captured by the gloating but bewildered Ottomans. So they're like what is going on here? They've shooting at... So now they've found all of this for nothing?

They're shooting at each other. They're killing each other. They've legg it and they've left all their money. This level of panic reminds me of the time I went paintballing. Have I told you about this? No. And in round one, they said to me, you're going to be the president. I went, oh, that's exciting. And then they took my gun off me. And I had to stand in a helicopter and people had to defend me.

And it was 20 minutes from me unarmed being shot at. It's literally the worst experience of my entire life. It was horrible. Eventually got shot in the ball. Like in a cartoon moment. Of course that's happened. No. Ellis got shot in the mouth when he went paintball. Yeah, yeah. Blue mouth. Did go in your mouth? Yeah, it did, yeah. Paintball in shit. It is rubber. It's rubber. It's scared. It's stressful. It's stressful. I'd say it's a part. It's. Yeah. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It. It's. It's. It's. It's the. It's the. It's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. It's th. It's the the the th. It's the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the th. It's got. It's got. It's got. It's got. It's got. It. It's got. It. It. It's got. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. the. the. the. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. thea. the. the. the. It is rubber. It's rubber. It's scary. It's stressful. I'd say it's a part of life we should actively be looking to avoid, which is gunfire and running from gunfire.

I think that there should be an impulse to not be involved at that. Want to avoid war? Even if, even if it's paint. Yeah, yeah. It got even worse, Ellis. Next round, I was giving my gun back. I used my bullets up because obviously I was so panicked. I was just shooting everywhere.

Got to the third fight and my mom hadn't given me enough money to buy more bullets. So I had to go into the third round, this time with a gun but with nothing to fire out. Yeah, that happened that happened when I went playing bowling. I ran out of money. It was just being shot up by him. But also what's really scary is by when you're shot by people you don't know who seems to enjoy it more than you. So when I, last time I went, it was around the time of the Carlsberg or Carling advert. So they kept, they kept doing that and then like shooting me in the mouth. I was like, cool guys. We should should, I the the that. I that. I that. I've that. I've that. I've that. I've that. I've that. I've that. I've that I've that. I've that I've that. I've that. I've that I've that I've that I've that I've that I've that. I've that. I've that. I've that. I've that. that. that. that. that. that's that's that's that's that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. that. I. I that and then like shooting me in the mouth and I was like, cool guys! We should be up for a drink, yeah?

I went, I've been paink bowling once and I vividly remember it. It was New Year's Day, I was quite hung over, so that's someone's birthday. And you know, they, we wasn't an exclusive group. We had to share it with another group. And the other people who turn up all all had their own guns. Oh no. And you're just like, oh here we go. So of course they absolutely mullered us. Yeah, yeah. What are the rules on just sort of shooting yourself in the foot and going out straight away? Genuine question. Like the soul of the foot or something where it's not going to hurt? No. No. This was not all, okay. So the Austrians are in retreat in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in in the the the the their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. theed. This was not all, okay. So the Austrians are in retreat, they've killed themselves, and they're skint. One blunder compounded another. Illness, notably malaria, swept through

their ranks. At one point it was estimated that half of the army was sick or dying. So thousands did indeed die, including Joseph, a whaling, reached his apartments in Vienna in November 1788 and never left. Even his ministers refused to come and see him. Joseph died a brokerman in February 1790, just four months after the Austrian army successfully captured Belgrade. He left the mopping up to his brother, Leopold, but there is one final twist to the story as a memorial to Joseph, a new piece of music was commissioned from the up-and-coming composer Ludwig van Beethoven, who was just 19 at the time. I imagine that being announced on, that's how they describe him on Radio 1. When you're an up-coming composer. The young guy called Ludwig.

He's really going places this lag. Greg James had the exclusive first play on breakfast this morning is a great song from an upcoming composer Ludwig van Baderen. The score was delivered and it caused much consternation amongst the court's musicians who declared it was impossible to play. It was too hard. So it was eventually premiered in 1884 almost a century later. No! It was just too complicated. Still the score there, we can't play that. That's amazing. What a harrowing or deal. It's half of the army was sick or dying can be of it. And they're all skin.

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So I'm finally going to talk to you today about kind of a more recent blunder. Okay, so I think it's sort of easy to imagine that proper blunders are things of the past. Do you know what I mean? That like computers, phones, the internet, stuff like that, have sort of smoothed it out a bit. So you're not having blunders to the extent that you have described. But today, I'm going to talk to you about which is relatively recent,

which proves that just isn where the, this is a funny sentence, where the Swiss army were about to accidentally invade their neighbours Lichtenstein. Now, the Swiss, for a bit of context, had a track record for this little thing. I love this, for some context. In 1968, okay, let's get things going with this. The Swiss army accidentally fired five artillery shells at Lichtenstein's only ski resort. Oh my gosh. That was a ski resort back then?

So they fired five artillery shells at the only ski resort in Litchin' where people were just enjoying their holidays. Horrendous. I love playing five side and now I've told Izzy I don't want to go skiing because she would like to go skiing because I'm worried I will do my ACL and being able to play football. Imagine that is my fear at skiing. I have never factored in being shelled from an opposing country by mystique. Your head blown off by an artillery shell. Well the only damages luckily were after a few chairs belonging to an outdoor restaurant. You would shit yourself, can you imagine? Also, if you're the guy in charge that shift, L, and the manager comes in the next day,

what's happened to our stuff? As you explain, you've been shelled by the Swiss Army, there's no way he's believing you. Sorry, sorry, boss. We've shelled by the Army by mistake. So it doesn't end there. On the 26th of August, 1976, in the middle of the night, a 75 strong squadron of Swiss soldiers took a wrong turn, which isn't something the army should be doing, I don't think, and accidentally crossed the border, entering the town of Bulzers. Thankfully, the locals didn't freak out, the soldiers coffee to warm them up. So they didn't freak out too much, but a large squadron of the Swiss Army crossed the border and went into Elitzenstein town.

But more dramatically, on the 5th of December, 1985, which is so many of these incidents. During a winter storm, Switzerland mistakenly fired anti-aircraft missiles, okay, across the border, which landed in the protected woodland, causing a huge fire and burning down much of the woodland. What? Bloody hell. So they destroyed a protective woodland, which was just over the border of Littgenstein

by firing anti-aircraft missiles across the board. I think by this point, I'd be going, I mean, come on, guys. This can't keep happening. You've blown up a ski resort. Have you ever had a way to like, drop drink on your lap more than once? Yeah. And it's like, this is, you've got something. You've got something.

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They've been issued orders from the Air Defense School at Emmon to leave their base and establish an observation post at Treasenburg, which is a small village, a thousand meters up the Swiss mountains. Now, would you care to guess what happened right this time? What was the issue? Someone's getting's the the the th th is th is the issue is th is th is tha's tha's tha's tha's the issue. tha? tha? tha? I's tha. I's tha. I's tha. I's thoes. I's thoes. I's thoen, thoom. I'm thoes. thoes. I's, thoomathea. Ia. Ia. Ia. Iaughe. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. Ia. I's, tha. I's, tha. I'm, tha. tha. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. ta. toda.a.a.a.a.a.a. It'sa. It'sa. It'sa. It'sa. toda. toda was the particular Swiss blunder this time? What happened? What was the issue? Someone's getting blown up. Yeah. No. So not that. They headed to Treasenburg, but why was this, why was this a problem? No to guess? Is it not in Switzerland? Correct. Yeah. What known to notice was that Treasenburg is not actually a Swiss village. They misread the maps. It's actually across the border in Litchenstein which incidentally feels inexcusable, because to my mind, Matt Reading is kind of one of the basics. Yeah, I mean the bloody Cubs can do that. Yeah, I was going to say we did that in Cubs. Yeah,

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had an army since 1860, okay? So it has no army whatsoever. So she goes inside, she rings the local councillor and says, there's an army in my garage, who then call the police, who then turn up in a patrol car, and they go, what the hell are you doing? And they make the Swiss army go back to Switzerland, and they realize what they've done. So, I mean, how embarrassing that must be, going, what, we're where? The last five minutes has changed my opinion of an entire country.

The Swiss Army knife has done a lot of good PR for the Swiss Army. It really has, that's such a good observation. If they're that incompetent, why are they being allowed around such a complicated weapon? The Swiss Army like, why is that happening? Just make it 16 spoons. Yeah. You know, when I think of Switzerland, I think of Swiss cheese, chocolate, cuckoo clocks, practical, Nazi gold and the fact they're all really, really rich. Tobleron. Yodeling? Swiss Army knives. Yeah. Quite a sort of punch people. Zurich Airport, you can get around it. That guy you look like a big Harry Potter with a beard going mad when they beat France

in the last 16 of Euro 2020. Granite Zacker. Yeah, Granite Zacker, that is it. Yeah, Asterix and maybe obelix. That is unbelievable. They have an unbelievably incompetent army. Well, you've got to sort of chuckled brother's army. You'd assume that would be the end of it?

Well, you're wrong. Again, in March 2007, during a nighttime training excite in heavy rain, the internet age. I know, the age of the iPhone. 171 soldiers this time set out from the border community of Flush and crossed a mile once again into Lichtenstein, not realizing they were doing it, near the village of Bullsers in Bulls Up more like, in southern Lichtenstein before realizing that they were no longer where they were supposed to be. One of the soldiers in an

interview with the Swiss newspaper Blit are like this gave the explanation, now bearing it was just all so dark out there. You're just all so dark out there were you expecting? It's night time. You've gone on a war. That is unbelievable. So and how seriously, I think this is the important question, did the Swiss authorities take all this? Well, when the foreign press asked the unit commander, would someone be reprimanded for leading the invasion? An army spokesman simply replied, oh yes, with extra tuition in how to read a map delivered in a joke. Now my point is here, I don't think you can be that jolly if you've, let's say, let's

just go through it one more time, you've shot missiles at a ski resort, you've gone across into a small village with 75 soldiers in the middle of the night, you have blown up a protected woodland area, you have set up an army base in an old lady's garage with guns and gas masks, and then once again now 175 of you have gone across in the driving rain and gone into a village in a different country. I think you'd be less less jolly about it. Now then, as I said in last week's episode, a bit of historical context. It's May the 23rd, we're recording this. So the general election was announced yesterday.

Tories are behind in the polls. If Rishie Sunak wants a quick win, he should be declaring war-on Switzerland. Yes. It would be done in about half an hour. People love a wartime Prime Minister. They love a wartime Prime Minister. Look at what the Falklands did for That's just popularity. Yeah, the problem is Ellis, Switzerland would return fire but inadvertently shoot all the missiles at Litchin Starr. Yeah, it's the only person they're able to hit. It is bad for Liftensign. Exactly. One final thing on that. I didn't really think about this as a thing that happens happens th. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It the the they. It they. It they. It's they. It's they. It's their. It's their, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's, it's, their, their, their, their, for, for, for their, for their, for the, for their, for, for, for, for, for, their. their. their. the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their. their. Exactly. One final thing on that. I didn't really think about this as a thing that happens now. Obviously, with NATO it must be the explanation, but the idea of a country not having any army.

I never think about that as a thing that happens. Lichtenstein don't have any army. Yeah, your countries were very small armies, but I didn't know there were, you know, literally nothing. Yeah, yeah, next to the Swiss, what do you think? Also, it must be very hard. If you haven't had an army since 1860, it's been really hard to start an army. It's been like, okay, does anyone fancy it? Don't know what we're doing. We're going to Google a lot of it, early doors. Anyone want to fancy a rock? Yeah, any of the hard kids fancy it. Maybe the hard kids who, uh, who haven't got great Jesus ease? No?

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