Oh What A Time... - #56 Animals (Part 1)

Episode Date: July 7, 2024

This week we’re off the leash and talking about some of history’s most noteworthy animals. We’ll have Joséphine Bonaparte’s vertically challenged pet dog Fortune, Britain’s first zebra of note and the incredible story of the mayor of Texan town Lajitas (who just happens to be a goat called Clay Henry). Following on from our music episode, there’s lots of chat about our favourite non-lyrical aspects of songs. And in an OWAT first, Elis takes his place in the inaugural Plaudits Corner. If you want to send anyone else there, you can email us at: [e-mail] If you're impatient and want both parts in one lovely go next time plus a whole lot more(!), why not treat yourself and become an Oh What A Time: FULL TIMER? In exchange for your £4.99 per month to support the show, you'll get: - two bonus episodes every month! - ad-free listening - episodes a week ahead of everyone else - And first dibs on any live show tickets Subscriptions are available via AnotherSlice, Apple and Spotify. For all the links head to: ohwhatatime.com You can also follow us on:  X (formerly Twitter) at @ohwhatatimepod And Instagram at @ohwhatatimepod Aaannnd if you like it, why not drop us a review in your podcast app of choice? Thank you to Dan Evans for the artwork (idrawforfood.co.uk). Chris, Elis and Tom x Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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singers went, oh baby, oh baby, oh baby, oh yeah, if that really was music. Or if, and you share my opinion, music was invented about 15 years ago. Mm-hmm, yeah. Oh, baby, yeah. Oh, baby, yeah. Mm-hmm. I hate that. I also hate the thing where it's not even lyrics. It's a, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, oh, that one. It's just dancing around a note. Oh, What do you think the people who, like composed medieval madrigals and stuff? What, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they they they'd they'd they'd they'd they'd they'd they'd they'd they'd they'd they'd they'd they'd they'd th. Oh, th, th, th, th, oh, oh, oh, oh, thin, th, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, m' th, music was th, music was th, music, music, music, music, music, music, music, music, music, music, music, music, music, music, music, music, music, music th. Music, music th. Music, music th. Music, music th, music th, music th, music th, music th, music th, music they'd have they'd have they'd have thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thin, thin, th one, which is just dancing around a note. Ugh, stop. What do you think the people who's like composed medieval madrigals and stuff, what do you think they'd have made of a singer, a modern singer going back in time 800 years and being like, it's good? But when you sing your song about Harvest, have you considered going, baby, yeah, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, hmm. You don't my favorite one of that? Oh, the the the the the the the th, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, my, oh, oh, my, oh, oh, my, oh, my, oh, my, oh, oh, my, oh, my, oh, oh, oh, oh, my, th, th, the th, the the thi, thi, th, thi, thin' thin' thin' thin' th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, oh, th, oh, oh, oh, oh, th, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, thin, th yeah, oh yeah, oh, whoa, whoa,

hmm, over the top of it. My favorite one of that genre is, you know, when an artist sings their name at the start of a song, he was in big the nauties where producers would go like, Starlight Productions or whatever, and then like Jason Darulo at the start of his song. Craig David, yeah, Craig David, exactly. I love that, that, that, that, that, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, like, like, like, that, th, th, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, to, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, th. And, to thi, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my to, my to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to, my the. Craig David was a big kind of that, wasn't it? Yeah, Craig, David. Exactly.

I love that. It's kind of like a watermark. It proves this is that this is one of their productions. Imagine if we'd started the podcast but going, Chris, girl. Coming in the chat. I'd like to present another thing from music that I find completely great on me, it's before people start rapping and they say things like, all right, yeah, okay, here we go, check this,

all right, yeah, that stuff, what is that? Just let the beat play with silence and then just start the rap. What is it, what does it make you, it is padding, that's not, that's not more rap, that's just noises, so cut out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out, , that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's that's that's that's that's that's that, that's that's that's that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that's, that's, that's, that's that's that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's just noises to cut that out just have the beat me give me more rap please I want more rap for my money Bi were noises for God's sake my favorite artist and song who does that if you have heard fat Joe he but his biggest hit he begins it by going to turn the fucking mic on and then it drop and it's the beat starts and he goes the beat starts and he goes, the mic is on? I mean, that's not the song starts.

He's saying that at the beginning, suggests the mic was on for the beginning anyway. My favorite artist, my favorite band of all time were a Welsh group called Gorky's I got it. Incredible band. The first two albums, there are so many, they've included so many instances of the band rehearsing, I think at the singer's th singers singer's th singers singer singer singer singer singer singer singer singer singer singer singer singer singer singer singer singer the singer the singer the singer the singer the singer the singer the singer the singer the singer the singer the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the beginning. I the the the beginning. I the the the beginning. I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the many instances of the band rehearsing, I think at the singer's house, being told off by one of the parents. It's so funny. It's so funny. So what sort of thing? Please turn it down. Bass sounds travel! I'm just asking you to moderate it a bit! It's so funny. And on the second record Tate, they must have been

having a sleepover or something, because you can, you can, they're arguing in someone's bedroom and you can hear tea bags being opened, like a pack of tea bags. All of them goes, oh, sorry, owner of the house. It's just really, really charming because they're like 17. Is there a point where they're like 17. Where they're improving as a band, you can tell that, because the parents are responding more warmly to the sounds. So the open the door go, more of that, please, son. Yeah, that's quite a good idea, like to have the reviews baked into the record itself. Yeah, on patio the first album, which was a their their their the, the first album, which was recording of, a lot of it was sort of demos and home demos

and session recordings, there's one bit where they're doing a live song at Kamarthan Quinn's Rugby Club, I think it is, in about 1991, so they're young, they're like 1516. And he is someone who is, you know, he's like the secretary of the rugby club or something, or the treasurer working as a sort of proxy compare and he goes, he walks on, they've just finished one song, and they're their school kids, right? And he goes on, he goes, right then, we're gonna have a disco now? And he goes, what's your name? And there he just sing and goes, Gokies I got a monkey. And he goes, Bith, which is Welsh full. What? And then you hear the band going,

one more song, one more song, we play one more song. It's, it is incredibly charming. But, uh, that's amazing. Yeah equipment before and I quite like that. It sort of grounds you in the reality. It doesn't feel too smooth. Yeah. I love the record forever changes by Love and I bought the deluxe edition. So there's the, I can't remember how many, but there's probably six or seven bonus tracks at the end. And there's a great bit where Arthur Lee of Love is just telling off the guitarist. And he keep, so, so, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the, the the the the, the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, just telling off the guitarist and he keep eating so it must play six or seven takes of this solo that he just can't get right. And he's just, he's saying, hey man you're playing all the notes in the same register man, I thought you could really wait you know when I thought you said you could really well when you could really please like you know, when I thought you said you could really well,

where you could really please like, and they just keep going again and again and again. So has Spotify killed the secret track that would appear like 10 minutes after an album, example would be Ash had an album where they're being sick? their twelve minutes after the album finished, exactly, they're just being sick. So that's not one that I feel any great pain if the the the the the the the the the the the the the they they they they they they they they they they's they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're they're, they're, they're, they're, they're they're, they're, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, I, I, they're, I, they're, they're, they're, I, they're, they's, they's, they's, they. they. they. they. they. they. they. they, they, they, they, I, they're, they're, they're, th. they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're just, they're just just, they're just just just, they're just just just, like, they're just just, they're just just just, they're just, they're just, they're just being sick so that's not one that I feel any great pain if that would have gone. Travis the man who the Travis the man who had a great bonus song right on the end I carary what it was called and do you want a music fact someone in the music told me this and it blew my mind that actually you know like little little skits on records that M&M obviously had quite a few little little skits the little little little little skits th little little skits th little little skits th little little little skits th little little little little skits in his album, like little 30-second kind of

mini-plays, if you will, that they can be super lucrative for artists because they get they generate royalties just like any other song on Spotify and when people are listening to a really popular album if they've got that 30-second skit in there they're not going to skip it and the artist can generate more revenue through skits like that they get the same amount of money they do for a track like that. Really? Yeah, someone told me that. So should we be doing 30 seconds skits through our podcast?

Should I be chucking out improv games for Ellis to become, I'll, Ellis, you're an astronaut. Yeah, in Belfast. You're lactose-permission tolerant. 30 seconds will be fine, hit it. Revenue, revenue, stream. So that's an interesting chat. I like that. Because what's interesting with Spotify, I remember reading an article in the enemy in 2015? Do you remember the band Porto said? Of course, yeah.

Jeff Barrow of Porter said, I don't know if the deal has changed. Because obviously a lot of these contracts were signed before streaming, and so I think a lot of those artists got absolutely stiffed by this. He claimed that his music had been streamed, this is from an article from 2015, his music had been streamed 34 million times and he'd only made 1,700 after tax. Wow. Which is 0.005 pence per stream. And th. And that's. And that's. And that's. And that's. And that's. And that's. And that's. That's. That's. That's. That's.0000005 pence per stream. That's remarkable. So I don't I'm presumably now contracts have changed and are slightly more lucrative towards or beneficial to the artist, but still that's the secret we need to be checking in 30-second improv games. Well, this is a history podcast and something that Claire and I are doing at home is we've just got all our old CDs or more to the point

Claire's old CDs and we're going to buy a CD player and start buying CDs again. Oh nice. I already I collect finals I have that and there is something about that which is the money is going to the artist it also exists as a as a hard copy it's satisfying to put it on. There is something nicer about going, okay, I'm gonna listen to this full record. Is there a choice, isn't it? Because the early Gorky stuff, and I'm talking about where they keep getting told off by their parents, isn't on streaming sites. It's only the stuff after they moved to a major label in about 1996.

That's the thingy's career starts, but actually they had a sort of five year recording career prior to that. So the thing with having a physical copy of something, if a streaming website decides it is not lucrative and they take it off, you will always be able to listen to it, which is one of the benefits, obviously, of having physical copies of the parents? Do the parents also get some small flow of money into their accounts as well for opening a door and telling them to keep it down. What's the sort of like PRS on that? A very good question. A very good question. And that is the question my dad used to ask. Whose mother should be on 10%? Right. Should we talk about what

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Thank you guys for getting a contact as always. We love your emails. They're always really, really fun. This is from Mike Crump. what a name. Good surname. Let's take some time to just enjoy that. Thoughts on Mike Crump, is it a name? I think it's brilliant. To know the etymology of that or the history of that. Mike Crump, for me, is a second world war soldier who, when they're doing exercises, he's always at the back.

Okay. Crum! Will you, up? No. And then as he starts running to catch up, his trouser start falling down. Yeah, okay. That's my comfort for morale. No, he's great for any, everyone loves him. Yeah, he's great for morale. Sadly for Mike Crump, he is dead within 10 minutes of Battle One, day one. But when people visit his gravestone, they get a little laugh every time. So the legacy of Mike crump, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, thuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu. thuuuuuu. thuuble thuuublea, thu thu. thu, thu, thu, tho, tho, tho, tho, tho, thu, thu, thu, thu, he's thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, thu, th, th, th, th, th, thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. thu. Hea, tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, to laugh every time. So the legacy of Mike Crump continues. I actually, for me, Mike Crump, a crump sounds like a sort of cool dance

move from about 2008 that would go viral. Oh yeah, everyone's doing the crump. I think that's how I'm seeing Mike Crump. And it's the kind of thing that you'd, in in broadsheet newspapers people would write articles thatial are all the rage, but you can tell if you're a true young person if you think a crump is a dance move and not a nickname for a crumpet. Everyone is crumping. The whole world is crumping. The whole world is crumping. That's actually how the news report with Peter Sistons begins.

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our feet and the seat slammed against the back and by this time we were long gone, sprinting down the aisle and attempt to get out of the exit before the the the the the the first........ And. And. And. And. And, the, the, to, the, the, the, the, to, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, to, to, toe, toe, was, was, toe, toe, too, was, the, was, was, was, was, was, was, was, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a. the the the the the the the the the the they.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a.a. the the to.a. to. down the aisle and attempt to get out of the exit before the first train of the natural anthem began. Why, because you'd have to stand there and listen to that you could... Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is exactly it. This caused a rather undignified scrum around the exit as people try to squeeze out, accompanied by a sigh of the crafty escapee ignored the main exits and headed straight for the emergency exits. Okay, that's clever. And the downside of this being the metal bar, which had to be depressed, made a loud, metallic clang, thereby attracting

the attention of the less experience and starting what can only be described as a wheel of humanity as the crowd, as the crowd were alerted to an alternative means of escape with a greater possibility of success. Thanks for a great podcast, Mike Crump. So what Mike is saying that basically as soon as the national anthem started at the end of a film there would be a rush so you wouldn't be caught and have to stand there. That's hilarious. Isn't it's amazing? That is so funny. That's in a way that's more British than standing in front of observing, maybe even saluting the national anthem. It's more British to run away than being convenienced by it. Because I remember, I can't remember who it was. Someone saying that, you know, when you go to America, you're often struck by just how many American flags people have.

Yeah, like, they're driving everywhere. Like obviously, you know, during football tournements, for instance, like I live in England and there are people people the England flags hanging at windows but they don't have a flagpole in the garden with the sort of the English St. George's Cross of the Union Jack flying constantly. But what's interesting about it as well is the it's clearly the social pressure of being in the room at the time it starts which means as a group there is a demand characteristics where you'll have to go, well I now have to stand here with some formality and respect, where it's clearly two seconds early, if you bolted out the door, it'll be fine.

But because you're there in people's vision, you're like, oh, I need out, now do you have to stand. It was, it was basically a test of pace. Yeah. It was basically a the, it. It was, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it was, it was, it was, it was a the the the the the the the the their. It was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it, it, it, it, it's a their to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their their their their their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. the the the the the the. the the the. the. the. the. the. to. to. their, their seats were really popular at that point? You're crazy in there, but you'd be straight out. I went to watch, you'd be the back seats, wouldn't it? nearest the exit? Well, there's exit to the front as well, yeah. I went to watch Robin Hood, Prince of Thieve, starring Kevin Costner. Yeah. And I'd been to the cinema quite a few timesimes times times times times times times times times times times times times times times times times times times times times times times times times times times times times thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. thi. their their their their their their their their their their. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. t. t. t. ti. t. ti. ti. t. t. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. Yeah.verford West in 1991. And I'd been to the cinema quite a few times by that point.

It was the only thing really young kids could do in Alford West at the time. At the end of the film, obviously, it's everything I do, I do it for you by Brian Adams, it plays over the closing credits. And everyone stayed to listen to the song. And I said, why were we all staying? And my friend said, well, to listen to the song. I remember thinking, it's been number one for 16 weeks. We've all fucking heard it.

We all own it. Statistically, every single person on earth owns it. It's been number one for 16 weeks, though, which means that people like it. So that's why, there's the reason it's been number one for 16 weeks, and this is why people are staying at it's because they love it. This is pathetic, and I think it says a lot about my personality, certainly when I was younger, everything I do, I do it for you, off the there was... I would always love you by Whitney. Love is all around, I

think, did 13 weeks and then they took it off sale for some reason because they didn't want to break the record for us. There was some daft reason but it didn't quite break Brian Adams's record. I bought both those records very late on because I just wanted to be part of something. I was like the whole the whole world is buying this so I've got to buy it too. Oh, the movement. Brian Adams, everything I do, I do it for you is the second longest run at number one. Oh, candle in the wind presumably. Candle in the wind. No, it's not it's not not there. It's not, it's not up there.

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It's just great. That's amazing. But the number one record at a time when the charts were enormously significant for 16 weeks. That's basically a third of the year. Do you think they were getting increasingly annoyed at having to go and play it constantly on TV shows and... I think Top of the Pops probably got annoyed. Yeah. Because the thing, the Top of the Pops was, you know, a huge, I've just listened to a great podcast about MTV and the influence of Top the Pops and MTV is really fascinating. And the thing with Top of the pops the pops the pops the pops the pops the pops the pops the pops the pops the pops the pops the pops the pops the pops the pops the pops the pops the pops the pops the pops the pop the pop the pop the pop the pop the pop th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. they were they were they were they were they were th. they were th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. It th. It th. It's th. It's th. It's th. It's thi. It's thi. It's the. It's the. It's the. It's the. the. the. thi. the. the. thi. th. th. th. th. th influence of Top of the Pops and MTV is really fascinating. And the thing with Top of the Pops was youth culture moves quickly and it's about things being new and different because that's what young people like.

But the last three and a half minutes of Top of the Pops who would be like, yes and for a 15th week. But when that happens to Top To Play It They're just trimed down to a 30 second version they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th, th, they they they'd th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, the their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th th the the the the the the are the are theuu. theu. theu. theu. theu. to play it. They just trim me down to a 30 second version, wouldn't they? They'd have had enough. I think so they're, yeah. And here it is, and I'll do it for you with the credits over the top, like, let's, let's get this moving.

We should do an episode on long running singles. Yes. Because obviously you could come downthis, that slim Whitman one which escapes me wet wet wet. You could do your teenage years, long-running singles. Now, yeah, all right then, I was a virgin. Yeah. What did I pro-by-choice? My mother was Christian. Actually, it wasn't a choice.

Do you know what? And that was that they were the cards I was dealt. Okay. I was dealt a bad hand. So thank you Mike Crump for getting in contact with that story. It did briefly remind me one little thing. I'd to tell you the story. It's the worst thing that ever happened to me in the cinema. It's a very short story. I went to see Police Academy.

Remembered. with my friend Rob, my friend Chris, and a couple of other friends and some bigger bully boys sat behind us in the cinema and one of them put a scoop of ice cream in my friend's hoodie which was dangling over the back of the chair and they put a scoop of ice cream in it and we were too nervous to anything so we just sat there as they continue to fill our hoods up with more and more foods and snacks. Pretending that it wasn't happening. Yeah, exactly. Just think, if I just don't look round, I'll just pretend it.

It's not that I'm scared, I'm just unaware. They might think I'm just unaware. Oh, anyway. What do you do if you're not hard? I used to absolutely. But more delicious. More delicious. The irony of that story is you've gone to see a film the film the the film the the the the the the the the the the the the the the that film that film the that film that film the that film that film that film that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that it wasn't that it wasn't that it wasn't that it wasn't that it that it that it that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that to to to to to irony of that story is you've gone to see

a film about the rule of law. Yeah, exactly. You know what I used to bloody hate when I was a teenager? What's that? Those books where the moral was always and then the really small weedy bullied kid stood up to his bully and beat him up. I used to think that is fucking bollocks. I've never in my life seen the thin weedy kid hit the bully without being knocked out. And these stories used to drive me mad. I used to think who is right at these? What you need is just a formalized intervention on the part of a school? That's how these stories should resolve. And then the teachers put in the plan that is in place to ensure this doesn't happen. And it resolved quickly and the naughty child was removed from the school.

And then the bully fails as a level, fails to get a job, and then becomes ill at the age of 22 and dies. That is what that is why can we not have this? Why can we not have this? Right, shall we crack onto the actual history? Yes, look now that we've mined our pain. So thank you for getting contact with the show. Mike, if anyone else wants to email the show with anything to do with things we've talked about in the past, maybe we've th th th th th, th, th, th, th, th... th. th. thi thi thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, and thi, and thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, th else wants to email the show with anything to do with things we've talked about in the past, maybe we've made a mistake, or how do you describe it, Chris? What was it? The opposite of Critism Corner was?

Plord It's Corner. Plaudits Corner. Have we got something so right you want to point it out? Because that really is made Ellis' day. Or one of those dispels or explodes. That would be a great one for prodits called it. If it's any one day time machine stuff, feel free to send that over. I also have an idea for another bit of format fun.

Would you like to hear what it is? Okay, go on. Ellis, you've talked about this on WhatsApp a little while ago. You're very good at voices. Yeah. So, it's it's phone. It's a phone. It's phone. It's phone. It's phone. It's phone. It's phone. It's phone. It's phone. It's phone. It's phone. It's phone. It's a their. It's a their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. their. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. the time. their. ti. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. their. ti. time. ti. ti. ti. ti. ti. time. ti. time. time. ti. time. time. time. ti. time. time. ti. to the past. So if any of our listeners would like to speak to someone from the past, have you ever wanted to talk to a medieval wench? Or maybe he wanted to talk to someone from the Stone Age or a king who is in bed with his sister or whatever he used to happen back in the past, we can make that happen. Give us a question, we'll ring up and Ellis will become that character and you can get whatever question you have answered from that person in the past via Ellis. And it basically stacks up. We won't look into the actual sort of how rigid the historical

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Ooh. I'm going to be talking about a very famous Georgian zebra. And I am going to be talking about a very famous Georgian zebra. And I am going to be talking about a French pug. Now in the summer of 1794 Josephine de Barnet, she languished in a jail cell in the calm prison in Paris having been arrested for counter-revolutionary activity, her aristocratic husband Alexander was guillotine for the same crime. Now, some of you might have heard of Josephine, and you'll know the very, very famous person from history who she was, who she married next. So that's why we're discussing Josephine. Now, she was in jail, so unable to see her family. Josephine was otherwise cut off from

her many connections, except for one regular visitor, her pet pug called Fortune. Now then, how is this for a description? I've never been great at bad reviews. Yeah, I'm not sure I could handle being described like this. Going to one contemporary description, the dog was neither handsome, good-natured, nor nice. He was short-legged. His body was long, his colour more red than fawn. This pug with a nose like a weasel only resembles his distant relations, i.e. other dogs, by his black muzzle and corkscrew tail. Even Josephine's friends agreed they'd never known a more horrible animal. I've never seen that by your bloody dog. Also short leg is a harsh if you're a punk. Yeah, because surely that's just part of the deal, isn't it? I've never seen a particularly lot, I've never seen a leggy pug. Have you? Yeah. I've never seen one going, oh look at the pins on that.

Go, that basketball plays a bit tall, isn't that? Despite such appearances, fortune, this, I love this immediately reminded me of the sort of kids books, it's a common tropy like kids literature and kids tell. Where someone is in prison and they break out after like a file or a saw is smuggled in via a cake. That's... Are you suggesting there's a nail file in the pug? Right, well, one day Josephine discovered that a message from the governess looking after her children had been hidden underneath the dog's collar. So just if you reply to you, I'll be honest, Edith. I'm glad you said it underneath the collar

because that isn't where I was imagining. That's not where I would have left the message, especially if the dog's that ugly. I was imagining in a blue plastic glove, some shower gel, and a bit of hope. Yeah, don't worry about it. We can communicate how by the anus of your pet dog it will be fine. Right. So she replied with a similarly hit message and so she was able to write back and forth for the rest of her sentence. Now from that day onwards, Josephine shared a close bond with Fortune, her ugly pug. So her second husband, a certain Napoleon Bonaparte. She loved this dog so much that the dog was there on their wedding night, lying on Josephine's bed.

Now, Bonaparte, not a great fan of dogs, right? He had a pet since childhood. And so when he was confronted with fortune, this ugly pug, on, you know, their first night as a married couple in March 196, he was pretty pissed off about it, right? This is what Bonaparte told a friend years later. Do you see that gentleman, his is my rival. He was in possession of Madame's bed when I married her. I wished to remove him, but it was quite useless to think of it. I was told that I must either sleep elsewhere or consent to share my bed. That annoyed me considerably.

Now this is something still... That's pretty brutal by the way, isn't it? On night one of your marriage, she to be told, this ugly dog is staying here or you're sleeping thapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapapap? Well... Well, th. Well, th. th. th. th. th. th. to to th. to to th. th. to thi? thi? to be that's to be that's that's to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to be to to to to to to to to th. the. the. the. the. theat the. told told, told, told, told, to me, to to to to to to to to to to be told this ugly dog is staying here or you're sleeping elsewhere. Well Napoleon's famously short of stature. Do you think that she had like he's a bit pug like himself isn't he? I think that was her thing. She has a type. I think this might be for Plautus Corner I think he was for the time of fairly average normal hi. Oh really? I think it might have been like English propaganda to say he was small. Ah, okay. So, yeah, looking forward to the prodits, can't wait for that. Anyway, born apart, he relented and he agreed to share. So he was like, all right, then I'll see with your dog, find it worry about it.

But then as that first night of marriage took its course, Yeah, he and he and he he and he he dog became jealous, bit Napoleon on the neck and true blood, leaving a scar. And he told his friend, I've got I bear proofs on my legs of what I say. She was trying to have sex with his wife. And the dog's like, no thanks. Now, because of this incident, fortune has emerged from the most famous dogs of the 18th century and amongst the most famous pugs that ever lived. It is something that does happen. Have you ever had like a friend or a girlfriend or something, or friends had a boyfriend or a girlfriend and they've got an annoying pet. My friend Will had three hamsters and whenever I used to

stay over his house as a teenager I would never get any sleep because these things were scrabbling around the whole night and I used to really fear and resent any time I stayed there. That's my only experience. It wasn't a relationship, but it was something I experienced as a close friendship. Yeah. Yeah, there's just these things scrambling around. So I do get the idea of just an annoying pets which mean you don't you. You you. you. you. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. th. I th. I the th. I the they. I th. I th. I th. I th. I th. I they. I they. I they. I thi they. I th. I their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their their th. I th. I th. I the. I the. I the. I the. I the. I thea. I theat. theat. theat. theat. thea. theat. theat. thea. thea. thea. thea. friends less or whatever. I tell you what happened. My wife, when we got together, she, her parents had bought a, like she, my wife had a childhood dog that she really loved that died. And then when we got together, the family had bought a replacement dog, who their name was Lucy, I think, and this dog was in dog years like 400 years old. And basically it was like blind, it had like one tooth and it was the most aggressive unfriendly dog you've ever seen in your life. And it would just sit on a pillow. It would sit on a pillow. So that if you wanted to meet it, like my wife's dad

had to get the pillow and like present to you the dog. But you couldn't stroke it because it would bite you. It had something like 2% vision. Oh my God. It was consumed with a rage that I've never seen in any other animal. So was it nice to its ownness? Like the people it knew and was comfortable with it. I think it was a rescue dog. But I don't think it was, it was grouchy and then ended up with one tooth it just thought I'm just going to go for everything. I remember staying at my friend Phillips and his dog Rufus used to bring his dad his

slippers. I remember thinking, what a deal. It's only going to give it a pedigree chum a couple of times a day and it basically gets you stuffed like it like a sort of a butler. If I only had one to the tooth Chris, Chris, how, how, how, Chris, how, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, like, like, to, like, to, to, to to to to to to to to to to to to, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to, to to to to to to to to to to to to the, the, the, the, the the the, the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the toooooom. I was tooom. I was too, tooom. I was too. I was too, too. I was tooth Chris. How bad is it if it bites you? It feels like it's a bit gummy puncher, it'd be quite pleasant. It'd go at you with paws as well, but like every time I went around to my father in like the in-laws house, you'd have to meet the dog and you'd be like, oh, here she is. Don't get it near me. Yeah. Stick it back out the back. It doesn't want to be in here, I don't want it in here either. Can put it back in the back? So what happened with this pug? What happened with the pug and the... Well, Bonaparte and his group friends were never great fans of the animals.

So Bonaparte spent quite a lot of time while on exile in St Helena dictating to his amionis which is a word I'd never heard before actually, but it's sort thi, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to to to to to to, thi, thi, thi, thi, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, th, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, their, thu, thu, thu, thu, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, thi, to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to thi, thi, thi, thi, thu, thu, thu, which is a word I'd never heard before, actually, but it's sort of, it's like basically literary assistant often takes dictation. Oh right, okay. So he would dictate to his amanuensis the story of his many battles with fortune which were all to be included in his memoirs, so he's the flavor for you. Fortune to me was a horrible lapdog with crooked legs and deformed body without the slightest beauty or kindness but of a malicious disposition. I would gladly have killed him and often prayed heaven to deliver me from him. So this is Napoleon but obviously his wife loves this thing. So there's nothing he can do about it. Now in his letters to Josephine

however, bone apart, it's like more acquiescent, like more grudging figure. So in July 1796 he ended a letter to Josephine millions of kisses even to Fortune in spite of his naughtiness. I can see what he's doing there. Yeah, he's playing the game. He's like, yeah, no I love that dog is great. That's good. He's leaving out the hole. I want to kill your dog. Yeah, yeah. But in truth, Bonaparte's dislike the dog never went they in to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to to the the to to the the too. the dog. too. to to too. to to to to to the to the too. I to to to to to to to to to to to to their their their. I their. I their. I the the the the the the the the the the the the the the the their. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I. I t. I t t to. I to. I to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. I'm to. to. to. to. to. to. to. to. I'm to never went away. So as he told Josephine in another letter, Fortune, whom you love, much more than your husband. So here we go, Bonaparte, Napoleon, he's jealous. Yeah.

Now, one of his friends found all this very funny. So Napoleon, the friend wrote, could easily win battles, accomplish miracles, make or unmake principalities, but he could not show a dog the door. Which says so much about the human condition, I think. The guy created a French empire, but there was a dog in his house he couldn't get rid of. What is that then? Do you think that's because of the relationship, or do you think it says something about our relationship with animals? Oh, yeah, it says so much about humanity's relationship with animals.

Yes. It's funny, is it, but one thing from history that I think about is that someone like Napoleon, he's still got a wife and he's still got all the kind of domestic troubles or otherwise that a normal person has. I remember reading an interview with Chris Rock where he said he was out for dinner with Prince once and Prince in the middle of their dinner said, I'm so sorry but the wife's calling it let me just take this. And he was like, oh yeah, you're prince but you still have to make the call. It's something quite grounding that these massive figures from history are just like us really they've got all the same troubles. Yeah, like Prince, to use an example, would have had the phone call, Aya today from his dentist confirming his appointment.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, is it? Oh, is it? Oh, Prince, yeah. Just Prince, actually. I'm not doing the single thing. I'm pissing himself because it's 2.30. That's not lost on Prince.

He might be one of the great performers of all time but even he's seen that he's funny. Yeah, he's in rehearsals for the Super Bowl half-time show. I've got to tell you this. I've got, I've actually got the dentist tomorrow. You will never guess when the appointment the appointment the appointment the appointment the appointment the appointment the appointment the appointment the appointment the appointment the appointment the appointment the dentist tomorrow. You will never guess when the appointment is. In the rehearsal, he's reworked Purple Rain to dental pain. Everyone's having a great time. It's absolutely ripping it. Super Bowl halftime show.

It's a load of dental puns. Dental pain, dental pain, people are loving it. Now in the end, Fortune, his bad tempo is his downfall, picked a fight with a mastiff belonging to Bonaparte's chef and he lost. So the punk was killed in the process. She was eventually given another pug was killed in the process. She was eventually given another pug.

Auxed and a taxed-o'er. their chef, which is a nut,olyte Charles. Now sometime later Bonaparte, Ma'amette's chef, while I walk in and noticed that the man was going to avoid him. So we called out, are you afraid of me? And the chef stopped and said, oh, general, you have a good reason to be angry with me. The conversation continued. Bonaparte, where's your dog? Shen, he's in the city. God have mercy on us he dares not come here. Bonaparte, this is my good fellow, let your dog run about just as he likes.

Perhaps he may deliver me from others. Wow. So this guy who was able to conquer Europe, basically, he was basically a bit frightened of dogs. But then, at the end of his life, made then. He was exiled St Helene after losing a Waterloo in 1815. He was given a pet dog of his own. Sambo the Dalmatian, well it would resemble a Dalmatian, unsure of the precise breed. And Bonaparte by now was in his late 40s, he died age 51, so obviously was at the end of his life. He loved this animal, loved this thing, developed a close bond with his new companion, went for long walks on the island, and yeah, I'd completely changed his opinion of dogs when he was in Excer. Well, well, well. I'm trying to imagine why this little pug was allowed to scuttle in and out of the prison. That's the thing I'm just thin' the guards are all backing away so ugly nobody wanted to go anywhere near it? Everyone was like that thing is freaking me out. So the guards

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