Ologies with Alie Ward - Coloproctology (COLON CANCER + BUTT FUN) with Carmen Fong
Episode Date: March 11, 2026So, you don’t want colon cancer, but you DO want buttsex secrets? Have we got an episode for you. Coloprotocolgist Dr. Carmen Fong charms us in a brand-new episode about prostate orgasms, shady poly...ps, fibermaxxing, colon cancer branding, butt plugs, heartburn, douches, bidets, farts, vacation constipation in the nation, ostomy awareness, second sphincters, Crown Jewels, pregnancy agonies, ‘roids, fissures, fixes, endometriosis, diverticulitis, IBS, hydrotherapy, a shocking shower revelation, and how a blissful colonoscopy could change and save your life. This one pairs great with our Field Trip: My Butt, a Colonoscopy Ride Along and How-To Visit Dr. Fong’s website and follow her on Instagram and TikTok Buy her book, Constipation Nation: What To Know When You Can’t Go, on Bookshop.org or Amazon A donation went to Fight Colorectal Cancer More episode sources and links Other episodes you may enjoy: FIELD TRIP: My Butt, a Colonoscopy Ride Along & How-To, Gluteology (BUTTS), Scatology (POOP), Microbiology (GUT BIOME), Urology (CROTCH PARTS), Gynecology (NETHER HEALTH), Radiology (X-RAY VISION), FIELD TRIP: Alie’s Mystery Surgery, Venereology (SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED INFECTIONS), Coffeeology (YEP, COFFEE) 400+ Ologies episodes sorted by topic Smologies (short, classroom-safe) episodes Sponsors of Ologies Transcripts and bleeped episodes Become a patron of Ologies for as little as a buck a month OlogiesMerch.com has hats, shirts, hoodies, totes! Follow Ologies on Instagram and Bluesky Follow Alie Ward on Instagram and TikTok Editing by Mercedes Maitland of Maitland Audio Productions and Jake Chaffee Managing Director: Susan Hale Scheduling Producer: Noel Dilworth Transcripts by Aveline Malek Website by Kelly R. Dwyer Theme song by Nick Thorburn Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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Oh, hey, it's the fitted sheet that really doesn't care how you fold it.
Allie Ward, welcome to Ologies.
I'm proud of you for listening to this one.
Am I Save Your Life?
Or it might make you horny.
We'll see.
Either way, this guest is thrilling.
They are a colorectal surgeon and the author of the acclaimed book, Constipation Nation.
What to Know When You Can't Go.
They have been decorated with so many medical awards.
They got their MD at Michigan State University.
They did their surgery residency at Mount Sinai, Beth Israel,
than a fellowship in colon and rectal surgery at Stony Brook and is a double board certified
general and colorectal surgeon in private practice as a co-director of the hemorrhoid centers
of America. They're so funny, so charming, no question is too sensitive, and you need to send this
to everyone you know with a butthole. Even your grandparents. You think your granddad never had a finger
up his butt? I got a bridge to sell you. It comes with a free dill though. But first, thank you to
everyone via patreon.com slash ologies for supporting the show for a dollar or more a month and submitting
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the folks who review the show for me to read, which helps people discover it so much. This
latest one is from S.R. Forstner, who wrote one minute, I'm learning about volcanic lightning.
The next, I'm emotionally invested in salamanders. S.R. Forstner, thank you to that. And thank you
to sponsors of the show who make it possible for us to donate each week to a related charity.
Okay, come along with me into the world of your colon. Also, I did an episode a few years ago
called Field Trip, My Butt, a colonoscopy, how to, and ride along. And since so many of you
will be listening to that one next, we're going to re-release it this week as a bonus episode,
because I've gotten so many letters from listeners the past couple years that told me that it
helped them catch and treat diseases, including cancers. So we're going to link that re-air it.
But colon comes from the Greek colon, which means colon, and proctology derives from the
Greek for anus. So coloproctology, we get deep. Sit tight or walk around for prostate orgasms,
shady polyps, colon cancer branding, hot dog habits, endometriosis, diverticulitis, butt plugs,
heartburn, duches, bids, farts, vacation constipation in the nation,
fibromaxing, ostomy awareness, second sphincters, the most fascinating crown jewels,
pregnancy agonies, roids, fissures, fixes, IBS, hydrotherapy,
a shocking shower revelation and how a blissful colonoscopy could change and save your life
with surgeon, author, earthly delight, and coloproctologist Dr. Carmen Fong. I love her.
We're vibing.
We're viving, dude. There's so many questions. I hope you know how excited people are to learn
about butt health. I can imagine. Honestly. I mean, I listened to your colonoscopy episode,
and I loved it. And I was like, oh, my God, everybody needs to listen to this Klonospi episode before they go in.
And then I was like, I'm actually surprised you haven't talked to like a gastroenterologist or like a, you know, proctologist.
But yeah, people love cuts.
Okay, hold on. Let's back up a sec.
Oh, yeah. My name is Carmen Fong and my pronouns are she, her, they.
Cool. Okay. Gastroenterology, proctology. Can you disambiguate this for the uninitiated?
A hundred percent. Okay. So I'm a colorectal rectal.
surgeon and I guess that does get confused with GIs a lot. And of course they do colonoscopies and like really
advanced endoscopic procedures and things like that. But they're technically not surgeons,
surgeons. So the training is actually the same amount of time, but we are more doing a lot of like
the abdominal operations. Most of us will actually also do colonoscopies. But the one major difference
is that colorectal surgeons do a lot of anal rectal stuff, which is like true proctology. Oh, does it
Stop if you're a gastroenterologist once you're no longer in the intestines.
That sphincter, is it the sequel?
The iliosyncal valve, right?
Thank you.
So that's the valve or the gate between your small intestine to your large intestine.
And a large intestine is also called a colon.
There's a few different regions of your colon.
And I also wonder if people called it intestinal cancer instead of colon cancer,
if they would be less shy about screening or treatment.
We can start calling it intestinal cancer and start a trend or revolution, a bowel movement,
if you will.
Once it crosses that barrier, is that like a different jurisdiction?
That's interesting.
So no, actually.
Oh, so Gashronologist will scope, like, do an upper endoscopy, which is basically the mouth
to the stomach.
And then you can actually do some, like really fancy advanced endoscopy, like a push endoscopy,
and push through the stomach and go into the small intestine, look through there a little bit.
In some cases, we've helped with doing like a laparoscopy at the same time, which is kind of a crazy
procedure.
So an endoscopy, endo means inside, scope, meaning look around.
It means that you get a camera in your body.
And an upper endoscopy, it starts at the mouth and it heads down.
And a colonoscopy starts at the other end, goes up.
And if they don't use one of those two holes, they may make a little portal through an incision,
which is a laparoscopy. So finally, your guts are the main character and you get an exclusive
screening for things. But then they can go all the way down into the small intestine. And then the other end
is, you know, pun intended, they go from the bottom up and they scope from the bottom, do the colon.
So they can go from gum to bum. The same way that we do from gum to bum, it's just that we end up
almost inside the body a lot more rather than just in the intestine. When you were going through
med school, did you have a lot of rotations and did you just land on on butts and intestines and you're
like, I'm home? Oh my God. No. So I actually went into this because I wanted to be a plastic surgeon
because my background is an art. I was a visual artist in college. And so I was like, I'm going to be a
plastic surgeon. I'm going to make people beautiful. I'm going to fix like baby cleft lips and cleft
palettes. And to this day, my parents and my aunts rue the fact that I'm not a plastic surgeon.
They're like, why didn't you do something useful?
How dare you?
But then now that they're all older, they're thanking me.
They appreciate me now.
But then when I went through residency and I was in training, I was like, oh, you know, but I love general surgery.
I actually really love being inside the abdomen and being able to like diagnose and treat
and reconnect butts because I really love being like the master of the abdomen and knowing
everything that's going on inside your body.
I've heard recently that when you are getting an operative.
They throw your intestines to the side and then they just shove them in there and let them rearrange themselves later.
Correct.
Is that true?
Yes.
So, you know, people ask me that a lot.
They're like, once you're inside the belly, does it look like that plastic figure where you put the little plastic pieces back in?
Yeah.
And it's not.
And then somebody else asked me, like, if you're looking at your colon, is it more like a pipe?
But it's actually more like an empty tube sock.
Oh.
So it's like a big cavernous space inside your abdomen.
And there's empty tube socks, which is the bowels.
And then there's the solid organs, which I kind of liken to like really squishy dough almost.
Like the squishiest ones are like the pancreas, which you really can just like put your thumb through.
But then the harder ones like your liver.
So there's like, you know, squishy pieces and tube sock pieces.
And yeah, you just throw it all back in.
You don't have to stitch it back to the lining.
In the old days, actually in the 1800s, they actually thought that things had to be stitched back up because when they dissected cadavers,
I just read about this, which was crazy.
Cool.
Laying on me.
When they dissected cadavers, they were always on.
their back. And so they thought that the organs should be like laying in this, you know, flat
plane on your back. But when people stand up, there's gravity. And so things actually kind of all
naturally drop to the bottom. So let's say that you haven't eaten, you wake up empty stomach,
empty guts or whatever. Does that mean that it's sort of like an empty tube soccer, like one of those
animal balloons that you haven't pumped up yet? Yeah, it's just sitting in the bottom of your pelvis.
And so then when there's food moving through it, then it kind of inflates like.
a bubble would. Oh, no way. Like a bubble, like if there's gas, right? Like if you're about to fart,
there's gas, or if there's stool, it kind of fills up. And so you can actually feel like on the left
side of your abdomen, if you're constipated, you can probably feel almost like a little cylinder in the
left side of your abdomen. That's your sigmoid colon that's full of poop when it's full.
Okay, so large intestine, the colon, it's kind of like shaped like a boxy horseshoe under your abdomen.
So on the right side of your body, it travels north.
and that's called the ascending colon.
And then it takes a turn to travel across your abdomen over your belly button.
That's the transverse colon.
And then it takes another turn on your left hand side to head south.
And that is your descending colon.
And that descending colon is kind of like the home stretch to your bottom hole,
which is why massaging that descending colon or laying on your left side can help people poop or you can get the gas out.
Also, at the end of this colon tube is the sigmoid colon,
which is kind of like the very backstage area where poop waits to make its big debut into the rectum
and then out your anus into the glare of the limelight.
I always wonder how when doctors are palpating a stomach, how they know what the fuck's going on down there.
Because I'm like, how do you, it doesn't feel like anything.
How are you trained to do that?
You know, that's a really good question.
I mean, we did a lot.
We do it a lot like in medical school.
And I think probably some people still fake it.
They're like, ah, you know, this feels like.
But we are losing a little bit of that, like the art of physical examination because of CT scans and MRIs and all that.
I'm just like, oh, scan you and we'll find out what's wrong.
Have you ever been called to get things out of a butt?
Oh, 100%.
I need this person would come up.
I'm sorry.
I didn't even think I had the question until I was like, wait a minute.
How have I not out?
Talk to me.
I actually used to joke that like at 3 a.m., you know, if they call me, it's going to be like, get Dr. Fong's foreign body extraction tray.
Because that means that I'm going to need the tongues and the clamp and the speculum.
But yes, I have removed some things.
Anything that you're at liberty to share?
Anything really wow, yeah?
You know, most of it is like a long time ago.
But my favorite one was a pink highlighter because my resident still texts me to this day
and is like, once in a while she'll be like, remember that pink highlighter?
I'm like, how could we forget?
But definitely tons of dildos, you know, and like no sex.
shaming or anything, you know, do what you do you.
A ton of dildos and people just kind of like underestimate the length and the width of them
sometimes.
Throughout the years, we've had like Starbucks bottles, candles, cucumbers.
I had like a piece of a lamp once that was like a glass globe.
Oh, no.
That was pretty cool and hard to get out.
Like if you try to get like a round, smooth object out of a tight cylinder, yeah, that was
difficult.
If you would like to know more about foreign hours.
objects rescued from the depths of an orifice. Please enjoy our radiology episode. I got two words.
Wine bottle. If it's glass, how, I mean, you must need like the gentlest of touches.
Yeah. Gentleest touch, you know, we literally like tried suction almost like when they suction a
baby out. We almost tried that. That didn't work because it was so heavy. But we ended up using,
it's called a Dever, which is like a little retractor that has like a little scoop on the end.
And that's scooped perfectly around it. We tried every tool.
in the OR that night. Did you have to sedate the patient? They were sedated. Oh, that, I mean,
I would be like, wake me up like a month later. Yeah. And we have that, you know, that full conversation
beforehand, like, sorry, we tried to get this out while you're awake. And so, you know,
we've got to put you to sleep just for your safety, so you're not moving around. And also if there's any
kind of complication, right, because the worst case scenario, if there's some kind of preparation,
you know, we puncture the colon or something and we have to fix it. Yeah. Then you should be asleep.
Unfortunately, knock on wood, that's never happened.
Do you have a PSA now for for buck plugs with a foot?
A hundred percent.
Important have a foot at the end of your bup plug, right?
Please have a handle, you know, make sure there's a handle, make sure you can have a good grab on it if you can.
Oh, saving lives, saving pride.
Saving butts.
I'm sorry that that's one that you get asked so much, but.
No, people want to know, you know, yeah.
Well, okay, so I studied biology in college, right?
Mm-hmm.
a bio major. So I always think about the order of sphincters. And I remember hearing that there were sphincters
inside the body and being blown away by that. Just a side note, a sphincter, it's just a round
muscle that closes an opening. You have them in your excretory system, such as, for example,
your anus, but also all along your intestines to kind of close off chambers. So imagine like a train
with doors between the cars. And you can think a ton of nerve endings in your lower bowel for being
able to discern the pressure of a gas versus a solid and act as kind of a bouncer to let farts
through, which means every time you enjoy a fart, you're not pooping most of the time. Aren't you
glad you can do that? Of course you are. And one in five thousand people are born with a condition
it's called hersprungs disease where those very sensory nerves don't function. Your body can't really
tell the difference, and sometimes it doesn't want to let anything out, and that part of the bowel has
to be removed. And that, or ulcerative colitis, or even Shagas disease, can also lead to a
condition called Megacolon, which sounds like a Marvel character, but it's more painful and
potentially lethal. So according to the paper, megacolon, acute, toxic, and chronic, a constipated
and stuffed colon with a diameter nearing five inches is mega, obviously, and can require surgical
correction to address whatever the underlying causes are. And there's one legendary patient. It's a man
who was so impacted. He was known in side show circles as balloon man. And when he died in 1892 at the age of 28,
while straining to pass his cargo, the medical examiner found an eight foot long colon, nearly nine
inches in diameter and carrying 40 pounds of excrement. And scientists say upon examination now, it's apparent that
he had suffered from that Hirshsprung's disease where your nerves are just not on board to let
things pass. And I was like, dang, who is Hirshbrung who got the honor of being named for this?
And it was a late 1800s doctor from Copenhagen and Harold Herspring, he described this condition
and he actually went against orders from the government and he provided free health care to children who needed it
while charging those who could afford it. And though the queen wanted each child's hospital bed to be surrounded
by biblical passages, he was like, no, hag, I'm putting animal pictures up. Her sprung. I like him.
But yet, there are sphincters also in your blood vessels, your eyes. Sadly, I just found out,
I had to re-record the end of this aside, that your mouth and my mouth have been demoted,
and they're no longer a sphincter, which is Pluto levels of heartbreak. But all we can do is
soldier on. So from the bottom, from the bottom, so we have the external sphincter, which is,
is actually the part that you kind of feel, right? So I always tell people, like, if you're feeling
your anus, like when you get to the tightness of your anus, that's the external sphincter. That's the part
where you have voluntary control, where you're like, oh my gosh, I have to poop. I'm going to hold it.
That's the part you're squeezing. And then there's just above that, the internal sphincter.
The internal sphincter is the part that's involuntary control, which means that your body, actually,
amazingly, when it senses poop, it will actually kind of close. And there's a response called
a rare response where it kind of senses whether it's poop or gas so that it can let out gas if it's
gas and they will hold the poop if it's poop. I know. I'm always fascinated by this. There's a couple
of rectal valves above that and then there's the iliosico valve, which is the connection between the colon
and the small bowel. And then if you go above that, there's like the pylorus, which isn't
technically a sphincter, but that connects the small bowel to the stomach. And then right up at the top
of the stomach is the sufficeo-o-sincters. Oh. So that's the part that controls your gird. So if you
don't know what GERD is, congratulations. It stands for gastroasophageal reflux disease. It's like
wicked heartburn. It's when stomach acid just like pops into your esophagus. It's like, hey,
what's going on up here? Because that sphincter is just on break. So if you have like a loose
esophageal sphincter, you have really bad gurd because when you lay on your back, you know,
everything kind of like sloshes back up. Or if you're pregnant, it relaxes your
esophageal sphincters and everything kind of sloshes back up. Oh, that's why that happens?
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, it's the pressure from you.
your abdomen, but also the relaxin, which is the hormone that relaxes all your muscles to allow you
to fit the baby, relaxes everything else. It's kind of crazy. And you mentioned before we started
recording that you've been pregnant. You're wearing a shirt right now that says got hemorrhoids.
Correct. Question right? Yeah. Where are the hemorrhoids? Which sphincter are the hemorrhoids?
Where are those coming from? That's an excellent question. So technically, there's two kinds of
hemorrhoids, there's internal hemorrhoids, which start just above the dentate line,
which is like almost at the internal sphincter. So the dentate line is like a border between your
anus and your intestines. And it's usually just kind of a faint line, but it is like a border on a map.
So much so that medicine often refers to it as a landmark. And depending on your interest,
it can be a fun tourist destination for fingers and other objects. More on that later.
So internal hemorrhoids, you can't feel because there's no
sensation. You feel pressure, but not sharp pain. And so internal hemorrhoids tend to prolapse as
and they pop out of your anus. They can bleed and they can cause pressure and a little bit of itching,
but generally not painful. So I usually say internal hemorrhoids are painless bleeding. So that's
inside your hole. And then there's external hemorrheds, which start at the dentate line,
kind of where the sensation is. And I compare this to being like literally on the skin. So external
hemorrhoids are the ones that you can feel. There's like a little bluish, purplish lump on the
outside. You get those residual external hemorrhoidal skin tags after the external thrombosis goes away.
And that's external hemorrhards, which tend to be more pain and not bleeding. And then there's also
something in between, which is an anal fissure, which people ask me a lot about. And it really commonly
gets mistaken for hemorrhoids. And you get both pain and bleeding. But that's more of a sharp
paper cut pain because it's literally a tear at that dentate line. So right between the sphincters.
So a fissure, it's like a crack or a tear inside there. And it can happen from
straining or dehydration or lack of fiber, which we're going to address a lot in a bit,
or some other bowel changes. And if fissures are ruining your life, treat your butthole gently,
take a stool softener, drink more water, maybe consultant Etsy witch, whatever it takes.
But as for roids, about 5% of younger people tend to get hemorrhoids, but 50% of folks over 50
do because of tissue weakening. It's like if you drove an older car, you're going to have some seals,
some hoses are going to underperform.
True or false?
More people are having hemorrhoids younger
because they're sitting on the toilet scrolling.
Is that true?
100%.
Yes.
Is that real?
Tell me everything.
Yeah.
So, I mean, part of the reason I wrote this book
was that I was seeing so much more constipation,
so much more hemorrhoids.
And right during the COVID pandemic,
people were still coming in for hemorrhoids
like three, six months afterwards.
And I was like, wow, like the amount of hemorrhoids
was like skyrocketing.
And, you know, we thought it was because people were sitting at home a lot more, right?
So they were working from home.
They were sitting in front of the computers, eight hours a day.
So a lot more sedentary lifestyle.
And then on top of that, a lot of people were like drinking and eating junk, you know,
not going to lie, that was me as well.
Yeah.
And so they were like constipated too on top of that and spending more time in the toilet.
So yeah, no, hemorrhids are not a disease of the old anymore.
Like tons of people have it.
I see tons of people in their 20s, 30s, 40s all the way up.
And do over-the-counter things like tucks and Preparation H, do those actually work?
And have you heard, speaking of plastic surgery, have you heard of people using Preparation
H under their eyelids when they're puffy, like beauty contestants?
Yes.
So actually, that's the only thing I think preparation H is good for is for puffy eyes.
Honestly, I know, sorry, preparation H.
I don't love it because what it does is the preparation H can kind of shrink the blood vessels,
but then it also fins the skin.
And so a lot of people, when they're trying to apply this for something that's like itching, burning, bleeding, blah, blah,
very small instances I've seen at work.
And then I end up seeing, again, pun intended, the end result of preparation age not working,
where people come in, they're like, oh, my God, this is worse, this is itchy, this is itchy, this is itchy.
Part of it is just like overapplication.
It's kind of like thin the skin over time.
And then also like tux wipes.
Sorry, tux.
And irritation.
And then.
hemorrhoid flare up.
To relieve that painful burning on contact, get tux medicated pads.
It soothes it a little bit, but it doesn't heal it.
Better things to use are a compound ointment,
find a colorectal surgeons who will prescribe a compound ointment.
And it actually works a lot better because it's treating both the sphincters and the spasm,
as well as the swollen blood vessels.
What's in a compound ointment?
Yeah.
So compound ointments include things like nitroglycerin, calcium channel blockers like deltiasm,
and nipetopine, also some lytocaine and some papillacine, so some long and short acting like
numbing agents.
And then in some cases, we'll add hydrochortizant, which is like the steroid, which helps
with the inflammation, but also thins the skin.
But the key ingredient is really that muscle relaxation.
It allows all those swollen blood vessels to reabsorbop back up a lot better.
And then also decreases the spasm in your anus, which is like the secondary result of having
hemorrhoids.
Your body clamps down is like, don't move.
I don't want anything to move.
this hurts, that clamping is what makes everything worse.
What about hemorrhoid surgery?
Sometimes you've got to pull out the big guns?
Yes, absolutely.
So, you know, when we're trained, we actually learn like eight to nine different ways of treating
hemorrhoids, which is crazy.
Yes.
Yeah.
We can laser them.
We can do infrared collagulation on them.
We can inject them with a phenol solution, which kind of shrinks them down.
We can tie them up, you know, either with stitches.
And then the most common things, though, are rubber-brand legation, which is like,
ending a hemorrhoid, and then the excisional surgery, which is like the dreaded surgery that
nobody ever wants and kind of always, you know, they fear on Reddit from what I've heard.
Let's center over to the Reddit form about hemorrhoids, where anonymous souls share their
agony. And on a thread titled, What's Worse Than Hemorrhoid Surgery? Getting Chicky with it,
a survivor of hemorrhoid surgery wrote, I have been through cancer, chemotherapy,
immunotherapy, and a double mastectomy. I have had my gallbladder out and chronic back pain
surgery. Bad enough I can barely walk at times. I had one baby vaginally and I had triplets via C-section.
The recovery from the hemorrhoidectomy was more painful than any of those things.
And Shy David Zero-Zer chimed in. I was crying from the pain, even on maximum doses of painkillers,
fainting on the toilet, not sleeping for days, not fun, but Shy Davis says, worth it, 100%.
Well, the problem is, is like, unlike putting your arm in a sling, like, you have to use your
butt hole every day for something.
You could be me.
That is exactly what I tell people.
Like, if I cut a nodule off your hand, I can slap a band-aid on and be like, hey, don't
touch it for two weeks.
But it's your butt.
And so you have to sit on it.
You have to poop on it.
The really bad pain is usually the first three or four days because your body actually
swells a little bit before it gets better.
So the really bad swelling is the first three or four days.
And then by the end of the first week or two weeks, you know, you're not.
your body actually kind of goes back down to normal.
Most of the dissolvable stitches have dissolved.
And then it just feels like, you're like uncomfortable,
but it's not like a sharp cut on your butt pain.
What do you feel like are some of the most common reasons people say,
Dr. Fong, take a look at me.
Yeah, I think bleeding and pain.
So pain and bleeding are usually the most common reasons people come in,
especially if it's like bleeding where it's like a ton of blood.
That's really scary, totally understandable.
And you want to go get it checked out,
especially with like the rise of early onset colorectal cancer.
So I'm always like if you have some bleeding that's like outside of normal range, which for most people, any bleeding is outside of normal. It's like something that has to get checked out. Just go get a checked out. So if there's bleeding and it's painless bleeding, I usually have to ban the hemorrhoids, which is like a quick, really minimally invasive painless procedure. It takes like 20 seconds. And it does work. It bans a hemorrhoids. It kind of squeezes them, makes them, you know, die and dry out. They fall off within a couple of days. And that hemorrhoid column is actually gone. Like that blood vessel is gone. So it can't bleed. I can't swell anymore. So that's for bleeding. The pain. The pain.
painful part, that is usually because of fissures. And so if it's a fissure, I treat it with a couple
things, either with that topical compound we talked about. Lately, though, in the last 10 or 15 years,
we've actually been doing a lot of Botox injections into the sphincter. Yeah. So I know, I love it.
The same stuff that works in your wrinkles, you know, you can put it in your internal anal sphincter.
Okay, sounds good. Very low risk of incontinence, but it actually really, really works. Like
85 to 88% of the time people do not need the traditional internal sphincterotomy surgery,
which is where I have to cut the whole muscle to relax it.
It works.
People are like, oh, my God, thank you.
My fissure is healed.
It's gone.
No.
Is that covered by insurance?
It is.
It is.
Yeah.
Are they like, as long as you've got the vial out.
Oh, okay, the number of times people ask me that.
They're like, can you just put a little up here into my crow's feet right here?
Oh, my gosh.
The only problem is I never have any left.
Like, I usually put every last drop into the internal lino sphincter in.
And yeah, insurance.
covers it.
BOTox for your butt.
Yeah.
Well, bleeding is a huge question, though.
Mm-hmm.
So what amount of bleeding is normal?
Yeah, because so many people, especially, I mean, also an absolute ramp up to a soapbox
here on colorectal cancer and younger people and when to start getting colonoscopies,
all of that stuff, because so many people ignore symptoms like bleeding or they think it has
to be bleeding in order for it to be cancer.
So, yeah.
You see blood on the teeth.
B? Yes. What the hell do you do? Blood on the speed, go get a checkdown. So if you see a little
blood on your toilet paper and it was provoked, so say you like, you know, you feel a lump on your
butt, you recently went on like an eight hour car ride or a 16 hour plane ride, you know, you were
traveling and you got constipated. You see a little blood. It's most likely nothing to be
alarmed about, right? So 89, 90% of the time rectal bleeding is truly because of hemorrhoids or
anal rectal disease. I would still say, though, if you're seeing it for the first time, most of the
time hemorrhoidal bleeding is self-limited and it will stop in about two to three days. If it keeps
going, 100% get it checked out. If it recurs, 100% get it checked out. And then if it wasn't provoked,
you would want to get it checked out, right? So bottom line is most of the time, like even if you're
young, don't ignore rectal bleeding, at least have someone look at it. And that's like my soapbox,
which is that like you go to a lot of like providers and sometimes we're like, here's some hydrochortisone
and like, you know, we think it's a hemorrhoid, but just make sure someone looks at it.
Okay. That's all. And then colonoscopy wise, right? So as you know, like the age is 45 now, we've decreased it in the last couple of years, which is awesome. You know, decreased the screening age from 50 to 45. Nice. Which means that, you know, we're catching more people. But now that we're still seeing a ton of people who are developing cancer in their 20s and 30s, the 20s and their 20s, the 20s and their 20s. The 20s are before the screening age. So just to throw out there, the
difference between screening and diagnosis, right? So screening means you don't have symptoms,
and you're still getting checked out because you can have small polyps inside your colon that can be
precancerous like yours, right, and develop into cancer, and you want to catch them early and
remove them so it doesn't turn into cancer. So that's what screening is for. But the diagnosis part
is when you're already have symptoms. And then in those cases, you're already having like abdominal
bloating or some constipation, some bleeding. And then so you actually go in for a diagnostic
colonoscopy to see what they can find. I would see the problem though sometimes is that in younger
people, these colonoscis aren't getting covered unless you have very, very good reason. And then
obviously it's like a whole insurance issue that I fight with insurance all the time about.
There's also genetic links as well, right? So if someone, like my dad died from colon cancer,
I'm sorry. And, you know, it was funny. He was like, well, you know, I had black stools and I
I didn't think much of it. He thought it was just related to his chemotherapy, but he had
multiple myeloma and then a side effect of the chemotherapy was on colon cancer. I feel like everyone
should know having colon cancer and what you have to deal with and also like the indignity
that you have to deal with is so much worse than a colonoscopy. Like, if you're embarrassed by
colonoscopy, like just wait until you try to deal with colon cancer. Right. Yeah. What? Yeah.
Exactly. Yeah, or like a lot of people would be like, you know, the embarrassment of dealing with an ostomies, which, you know, for me, I try to destigmatize ostomies as well. It's like sometimes just like a very temporary thing, but a very necessary thing that can be life-saving, especially if you're like removing like a cancerous portion of the colon or a portion with really bad divertic. And it's like the safe thing to give you a temporary ostomy. And then in some cases, it's like a permanent oastomy. Anyway, okay, I digressed.
And an ostomy, if you are not familiar, it's a detour for pee or poop to leave the body.
So let's say that your lower intestines are permanently or temporary closed due to construction.
So a surgeon can make a new opening in your abdomen to have waist leave the body into a sealed pouch that you can empty periodically.
And sure, I hear you, an ostomie, it may not be on your birthday wish list, but it can save your life.
And while there has been stigma around them, there are so many creators online, I've seen a
a bunch that are showing it's really not that big deal. You get used to it, you live with it,
because nobody doesn't make poop. But if you want to avoid a colon cancer ostomy or chemotherapy or
surgery or death, get checked. When it comes to catching cancer in early, incredibly treatable stages,
a colonoscopy is a cakewalk, man. It's a cake walk. It is like the easiest thing that can happen
to your butt, like ever. And you get a really good nap. You get the best nap of your life. And also,
you have free reign to go enjoy the best breakfast ever.
The waffles I ate after my colonoscopy were the best I've ever had.
Best you've ever had.
And then like the peace of mind you get with, you know, with having like a clear colon.
And then you're like, hey, your colon's good.
And you get another 10 years before you have to do it again.
It's kind of like jury duty.
You get like that piece of mind for a few years.
But I'm wondering too, like these rates of young people with colon cancer,
I know that Chadwick's death really shocked a lot of people. He was so young. I have a friend who in his early 30s was diagnosed with stage four. So sorry. I have a cousin of mine as well. And like, so, okay, number one, if you're 45, get your colonoscopy. Just do it. Enjoy the nap. Enjoy the waffle. We have a whole how to. But what about that line of like you're worried about it, but it's not quite time for you to get it checked out? Anything for that in between generation?
Yeah, which is like most of us right now, right?
So that would be you.
Yeah, exactly me.
So if you have any kind of symptom, go get a checked out.
And the sooner you do it, the better because a lot of times people who do colonoscopy is
are booked out like six, eight weeks, right?
So if you're like waiting for end of year, your deductible has been met, just go see
the person sooner, like either a GI or a colorectal surgeon so that you can get on the
schedule.
If you have a symptom, it'll be covered.
I don't know if it's just my news feed that's tweaked by the algorithm or if it is
becoming more and more widely known that this is something people have to pay better attention to.
I think the celebrities really, really helps, obviously so sad about Chadwick Boseman and then
I think it was James Vanderbyke, wasn't it? Recently too. So Chadwick Boseman, this incredible actor
who portrayed Black Panther, among a ton of other roles, he passed away in August of 2020 at just 43 years
old from colon cancer, which came as a shock to millions of people around the world who didn't even know
he was battling it. He was diagnosed at stage three in 2016 and then continued to film seven
movies at the height of his career while undergoing treatment. And one 2021 paper titled
Internet Interest in Culling Cancer following the death of Chadwick Bozeman. Infovallance study
found that there was, quote, a significant increase in web-based activity related to colon cancer
following Chadwick Bozeman's death, particularly in areas with a higher proportion of Black
Americans. And it continues, this reflects a heightened public awareness that can be leveraged to further
educate the public, which is especially relevant as colon cancer rates are higher in black Americans,
as well as indigenous populations. And at the time of this recording, James Vanderbeek,
the star of Dawson's Creek, was also fighting colon cancer. And since I had this chat with Dr. Fong,
he passed away at the age of 48. And some factors that increase your risk of colon cancer are genetic,
like something called lynch syndrome, which increases cancer risk, particularly of the colon and uterus.
But lifestyle and diet definitely increase the likelihood of colon, shall we say, large intestine cancer.
So what can you do?
Dr. Fong says, eat veggies with every meal, keep that fiber intake up, hydrate exercise a little every day to keep everything moving, and avoid ultra-processed foods, sugary drinks, and processed meats, and processed meat.
Fried and char-griled meats have more carcinogens and can also damage your colon cells and
up the risk for cancer. So sorry salamis, sorry hot dogs, sorry char-grilled burgers. It was good
while it lasted. And statistics show colon cancer ranks the highest form of deadly cancer among
men under 50 and the number two cause of deadly cancer among women under 50. And according to this
recent article, I read that ran in Forbes. One colorectal surgeon said,
that someone born in the 1990s is four times more likely to have rectal cancer than someone
born in the 1950s. And James Vanderbeak was vocal about his story, he said many times,
in hopes that it inspired people to get literal life-saving preventative screenings. And again,
for an in-depth how-to and a ride-along, as well as some surprising findings from mine,
see the field trip, My Bud episode that we made a few years back. So many people have told me that you
listen to it, and it helped you a bunch, which is great. And then Ryan
Reynolds had his colonoscopy on camera.
It's awareness about something that will most definitely save life.
Going up.
That's enough motivation for me to let you in on a camera being shoved up my ass.
And then I love that Ali Wong did a piece about it in her comedy special.
You know if you're just taking a camera.
Up your ass.
And I was so nervous.
But what I didn't know was that right before the procedure, they give you propofal.
And I have to say that.
as a working mother of two
getting to take a drug-induced nap for an hour
about her colonoscopy.
And so those people really getting it out there,
it's like, hey, you know,
colonoscopy is really not that bad.
It's totally necessary.
Colon cancer deaths are like preventable.
That's the only thing I want to say.
It's like 100% can be preventable.
So there are, of course, the stages of cancer.
And obviously, it's because of math,
we know that the higher number is less good.
So let's run through,
colon cancer stages real quick. So stage zero is a colon polyp with some abnormal or pre-cancerous
cells. Stage one is a cancerous polyp on the wall of the colon. Stage two, this one has a few
sub-stages, but for simplicity, the cancer has grown from the polyp into or through the wall of the
colon. Stage three, it grows through it through the outer wall of your colon, or it hits the
nearby lymph nodes, which means that cancerous cells can kind of hit the superhigh way in your body.
And then stage four, the final stage, the cancer has made it to other organs, like distant lymph nodes or your liver or your ovaries or even your brain.
So if you have a colonoscopy and they snip something off, they biopsy it and then they wait for the pathology report for a week or two.
I've wondered this.
What it's like when you have a diagnosis for someone?
Like I got lucky.
I had a pre-cancerous situation that they snipped out and I was one and done, right?
but what is that like when you see something like that?
Yeah.
I always get like a really sinking feeling in my stomach because I think anybody would.
And then what you have to do is then you have to tell the patient that you're going to get a biopsy first.
And then, you know, in 10 to 14 days, have to break the news.
So I would generally kind of like temper it with, hey, this looks suspicious, but we will know in two weeks.
And I promise I will call you.
And I think most people are okay with that.
And then for the actual breaking the news and, you know,
We do this a lot in medical school and we have to sit down. We have to look them in the eye,
which I think always helps. I always try to do it in person. And I think people, for whatever
reason, whenever you say that, they know already and then they just need to hear it. But, you know,
hey, I have bad news. You know, the pathology report shows that it's cancer. And then people like
the statistics. This is the outcomes. And these are the next steps is very useful.
Having another person there or having an advocate is super helpful to if someone who can
actually listen and take notes while that person is probably still in shock and processing it.
What is the surgery like when you're performing surgery? You've got to go through the abs and
everything, right? Yes. There's a couple ways to do the surgery. So when we used to do it laparoscopically,
we make small incisions, like through the belly button, like several small holes that are
five millimeters each, and we put instruments through about the diameter of a pencil eraser.
If you do an open surgery, I make a big cut kind of right in the middle. And,
have to open everything out, put retractors in, and kind of scoop everything out. It's rare that I have
to do an open surgery at all these days, because most things you can actually accomplish laparoscopically
or robotically. And then in those cases, you actually have much less incision pain. You have a lot
faster return to work, get out of the hospital, a lot faster passing phletus and starting to eat
and stuff. So we try to do things laparoscopic and robotically. I save robotic for last because
people always ask me, like, how do you do a robot surgery? Yeah. So the same way that you do
laparoscopy, so it's almost like a little tube that goes in through your belly button.
Then you do cut through the abs. And then once you're in, you put the camera in. And then the
robot arms dock next to the bed while I sit at a console like on the other side of the room and
control the robot arms. I love doing robot surgery because you actually get like a very fine
dissection and like the very fine visual field through the robot apparatus. So it's not an
automated robot doing your surgery. It's Dr. Fong in a
fucking meck suit. Amazing. What's the benefit of robot? Is it a finer cut? Is it even a scalpel? Or is it like a
cotterization? It's actually more of a cotterization. So almost like a tiny little pinpoint
cotterization that allows you to cut and seal at the same time. And I can look right inside because I
can direct the camera. And in some cases, you have to do like a total abdominal colectomy and take the
entire colon out. And all they have is like small bowel connected to your rectum. It has to kind of like
adapt and become more like colon.
Can you live without a whole large intestine?
Yes.
Yeah.
Really?
Yeah, I know.
It's weird because you wouldn't think that you could, but your small bowel adapts,
you know, you have a rectum and you still have nutrient absorption.
And one of the fascinating things is in the 1890s, there was this guy.
He actually used to take out the colon routinely for people who had constipation.
And he was like, you know, this is because of autotoxicity.
That's what he called it.
And so, like, all these toxins were being, like, stored in your colon and your poop.
So he would just take out the colon for, like, all the time.
And since then, that's literally been debunked.
We don't do that anymore for regular run-of-the-mill constipation.
We only do it for things like if you have IBD, like inflammatory bowel disease and, like, there's a lot of disease colon.
Or if you have total colonic dysmotility, so some people can be born with, like, a colon that just doesn't move.
And in those cases, you go down, like a bunch of steps for diagnosis, like MRIs.
and before we're like, hey, your colon really doesn't move, we're going to take the whole thing out.
Okay, constipation.
Yeah, let's talk about it.
Most people have functional constipation, where it's like a combination of factors, like your physiology, the things you're eating, the amount of activity they're having, and then like the electrolyte imbalance in your body.
So some people are like chronically constipated.
You're like, I'm a constipation girly.
And then others, for example, like my husband is like, once a day is not enough.
I sometimes call myself a toilet widow because I'll just be
Oh God, I haven't heard that one.
I'll be at a restaurant, you know?
That's a new one.
Yeah.
It's like a war widow where you're just watching, you know, you don't know if they're
coming back.
You're just watching the door.
That's so good.
I'll look like I got stood up on a date, but I'm like, he's just doing him.
We're going to talk about IBS in a minute, of course.
But when it comes to constipation, is that like a microbiome problem?
Is that a fiber problem?
Is that a hydration problem?
What are the common causes?
And why does it happen when people are on vacation?
And they're like three days into a vacation
and haven't taken a shit, what's going on?
So, yeah, no.
So I'm going to start with like the first answer,
which is how often should people poop, right?
So I've kind of digested it down to one to three times a day
every one to three days.
So the normal human colon should move food through in about,
literally it's like 12 to 72 hours,
but most people in about three days you should have a poop.
The other thing that happens, though, is that about 90 minutes after each meal, you know, you have like an MMSC, which is like a mass, oh my God.
This is a tough one.
So I dare you to remember that empty stomach growling or that post meal gurgling in your guts is called the migrating motor complex.
MMC, baby.
Okay.
Where it kind of sweeps everything out and moves everything through after you eat.
And so that accounts for the fact that most people will poop after a large meal, right, within an hour or two after a large meal.
So that's actually normal, right?
And so people, when people tell me that you're like a toilet widow, I'm like, does he eat like three large meals a day?
And then he's just like pooping all the time.
And it's like, so that's actually totally normal to poop, you know, one to three times a day and not crazy.
And then, but it's also normal to poop like every three days if you're not having large meals or if you're not having a ton of fiber.
That's just the way you're colon moves.
So the factors that go into it, right, are the amount of fiber, both soluble and insoluble fiber.
It should be like 25 to 35 grams a day.
But that's like, you know, fruits and vegetables and beans and legumes and whole grains.
And the soluble fibers kind of gel everything up and move everything through almost like a little like jelly-like mass.
But I always tell people that if you don't drink water with your fiber, it will just turn into concrete and it won't move.
So you have to have fiber and water.
And the green leafy things like kale and like spinach and stuff, that's,
That is insoluble fiber.
So while that stuff is also good because it actually kind of acts as a broom and sweeps everything out, it also triggers some irritation in your colon, which simulates contractions.
So you need both and you really need a good mixture of both.
And I think it's going to be different for different people.
But you need both soluble and soluble fiber plus water.
And what is cillium husk and how do we feel about like a metamusole habit?
Yeah, love it.
Metamusal take it every day for the rest of your life.
I actually don't because I really eat a ton of fruits and vegetables, but if you needed that extra
five grams of fiber, cilium husk is the best way to go. It's the only one that's been really
proven so far, that in QEys. And metamusel, if you get it in the store, just make sure you get
the actual cillium husk one, because you can do cilium husk every day, and that is a soluble fiber
that will help with conservation. And you just got to really water it up, right? Yeah. So I always tell
people like stir it in the glass of water or juice or whatever, drink it and then chug a glass
or two of water afterwards. So you don't want to just like mix it in your coffee and be like,
that's it for the day. You really want to. Yeah. Yeah. That's not going to do it. Put it in a Coke and
you're like, there you go. And you're Celsius for the morning. Ice coffee for the day. No,
that's not going to do it. That is the only thing that's worked for Jared's IBS. At one point,
when everyone still had Twitter, he unfollowed everyone except for me.
metamusole because he was like, I'm just going to only follow metamusole. So he's a metamusole.
Tbo T. You know, and I always tell people, especially for IBS, fiber will firm up loose soles,
but it will also soften hard soles, right? It does both things. Fiber. Fibers great.
You don't want to overdo fiber. Like, I saw like this fiber maxing trend on six months recently.
Fiber maxing. Everyone's talking about it. And I was like, you actually can have too much fiber.
You probably can't have too much cilium, especially if you're mixing with water. It does get washed out.
I've had a couple cases of people who just ate kale for like 30 days.
And then you can get like a giant fecalith, like a stool ball that just doesn't get digested.
Yeah, it's called a bzor.
It's just like stuff that doesn't get digested and you have to go in and skip it out.
Sometimes it's hair.
Sometimes it's undigested coconut fibers.
Sometimes it's an impacted green ball formed in the fourth stomach of a goat and prized for its folk remedy as an antidote to poison.
Sometimes a Bezor is encrusted in gold and kept in Queen Elizabeth's collection of crown jewels,
according to a delightful historical paper titled The Fascinating History of Beesores.
And yeah, I'm going to link that for you to read.
And the word comes from the Arabic for stone used as an antidote to poison.
But honestly, I would call the poison control hotline instead because Bezores, they're really hard to come by.
And I bet they'd be expensive.
Now, speaking of things that are hard, not quite.
quite bea-sores, but little stony nuggets in your bowels are called fecaliths, which means
poop rock, and you don't want them because they can get in places that they are not welcome,
such as the portal to your little finger-sized pouch off the start of your colon, if you still have
yours. And can't that block your little appendix? Yeah, it can block your appendix. Yes,
like an appendix. That's what I had.
TMI. Wait, did you have a, no, there's nothing that's TMI. Or you. There's nothing that's TMI.
you had your appendix out? I have. I had it out actually in medical school and I had a little
Ficoleiff like a little blockage and I swear it was the Taco Bell I had the night before when I was
studying for my renal exam but and so I've sworn off Taco Bell since then. Good choice.
Do they build up over time like a blackhead or can it just be like a boop? Yeah, that's a good question.
So it can build up and now we know there's like a bunch of lymph nodes in the appendix too.
And so it does, you know, serve some purpose. It's not completely like vestigial.
but it can build up, yes, like if it sits there.
So you don't want things to back up into your appendix.
And also you want an on-ramp into fiber additions, right?
Yes.
You don't want to just dump it all at once, right?
Thank you for that.
Yes, yes, absolutely.
So people are like, I've never eaten any fiber before.
Like, I only ate chicken nuggets and suddenly they're like 50 grams of fiber a day.
No, you want to start, like, usually I'm like, do five grams a day for like a week and then go up to 10,
go up to 15 every week, every two weeks. The other reason being is that you'll get super bloated
if you don't gently increase your fiber dosing. And I imagine those fiber gummies also, like you've got to
chug with a lot of water, right? Yes. Yeah. I have a couple of fiber comies that I love and I do take
them with water because of the gel, like the Kerriganin that actually can cause a little blockage.
So drink water. Lots of water. And then on top of that is activity. So gravity, you know, moderate activity,
you know, 20, 30 minutes, three times a day. Those things get your colon moving. And then a lot of people
be like, hey, doc, you know, I eat a ton of fruits and vegetables, I drink a lot of water. I work out.
You know, I still can't poop. And then there are kind of like definitely like medical and hormonal
reasons that people can't poop. So like in pregnancy, you actually have like increased progesterone and,
you know, kind of slows everything down. You have increased water absorption. Or if you have thyroid
disease, you know, if you're hypothyroid, you can be pretty constipated because of the water absorption.
And then people have like electrolyte imbalances. So we now know pretty well that magnesium is a great muscle relaxant that works for like sleep. It works for restless leg. But also works for constipation. Taking magnesium every day can actually kind of get you over that hump. And then the last part of your question is the probiotics. There's a ton of research out there. I love the microbiome. I think that's where the future is headed. And we now know that there's certain bacteria that work better. If you're constipated, there's
certain bacteria that work better if you have like antibiotic associated diarrhea. And there's certain
bacteria that work better if you have just general IBS or like other symptoms. And they're now
fine-tuning these strains. So fiber helps with the consistency of stool, but probiotics helps with
the regularity of stool. Can I ask you some questions? Yes, of course. Do you have time for me to ask
you some list of questions? Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah. Sorry. I just blabber on. No, no. I have a million
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So let's get to the bottom of some of your curiosities. Let's talk colon cleansing.
Oliver Callis, Megan Walker, Matt Thompson, and first-time question asker, Cheryl Stregato.
Colon hydrotherapy. Yay or nay is what Cheryl wants to know. Matt Thompson is like, what is the
danger of doing colon cleanses outside of pre-colonoscopy. Column cleanses, what's the deal?
Yeah. So it's actually a nay for me for colon hydrotherapy. There's a couple reasons you would do it.
Like if you were like, hey, you know, this week I feel like specially bloated and I just want to try it and you did it like once a
year or once in your lifetime, fine. But I've had people be like, hey, I go every month. I go every six
months. There's two things that I think are kind of dangerous. It's a super large volume of water.
And so you're actually just like flushing everything in and then flushing like 60 liters of fluid back out.
Like I've seen the TikTok videos of things they get out.
Those are things that are going to come out on their own.
Okay.
They will come out on their own eventually.
I know.
Gum does not stay in your intestines.
But if you have little inflamed pouches in your colon, which is a condition called diverticulitis, you can get seeds stuck in them.
Which is why no seeds for you.
Seeds are off the menu if you have diverticulitis.
If not, I don't know, go for it.
But back to colon hydrithrotherapy.
which, yeah, involves a tube up the butt, kind of like a less traumatic warm water pressure hose.
You hold it in and then you release it several times over about 45 minutes.
The high volume of water has caused some mucosal injury, so it can cause damage to the lining of the inside of your colon, like small tears and stuff.
And in some severe cases, like not to scare people, but it can cause perforation.
And I've definitely seen that where then you have to go get a surgery, blah, blah, blah.
You don't want that.
The second thing that it can mess up, though, is your microbiome.
you're actually flushing out all the good bacteria that should be there.
And I've had people where they like, hey, you know, I get a colon cleanse like every month and I still
can't poop.
And part of it I think we're going to find is that the good bacteria are actually getting flushed out.
Oh.
Yeah.
So it messes up your microbiome.
The same way that when you get a colonoscopy, you know, if you're doing that four later colon
prep of four, some people will tell me that they can't poop for a couple weeks afterwards.
And because your microbiome is messed up, you know, is one thing.
The second thing obviously being that you flush out all the,
that poop and it's going to take a few days to come back.
Oof. Okay.
So this brings me to, let's talk about sex prep back there.
Yeah.
Anonymous, Derek, DVancy, Ben wanted to know.
Penn says with the internet's obsession with being bottom ready and spotlessly clean
at all times, as long as I eat enough fiber, is that okay?
Devancy said I sometimes hear people warn about douche dependence.
Yeah.
And Derek wanted to know if it's possible to overdo it.
Anonymous wanted to know, is it true that too many enemas can wash out that beneficial
bacteria?
Also want to note when they're asking for men, obviously all kinds of genders take it back
there.
A hundred percent.
A question for all kinds of people.
Awesome question.
Love that question.
So short answer being you do not need to do.
A good fiber diet actually will get people cleaned out sufficiently.
So if you poop, you know, in the morning, you know,
poop a couple hours before you go. Because your rectal vault is really just that last portion,
just that last like eight centimeters or so, and you know, eight centimeters hopefully is enough,
but eight centimeters or so is completely clean. Like all the poop should actually stay above it,
right, after you poop, and nothing goes into the vault. So yeah, the average human rectum,
the final chamber of travel for your lunch, it's about four to five inches long. Although
in taller, larger people, like those assigned male at birth, it might be closer to
is seven or eight inches. And at the top of that, you would have to go through this bent,
kind of askew sphincter, the recto-sigmoid sphincter, deeper, which gets you into the sigmoid
colon, which is the backstage vault where the poop is waiting, if I may paint you a
picture. I need you also to know that I was working on this in public at a cafe, a very crowded
Cafe. And as soon as I clicked on the 2017 Vice article titled in a loud, vivid font,
how much can I fit up my ass? I realized it was time to pack it up and go home to work. But also on
that note, some tips say that if you have been curious about having things up your ass but are afraid
that it will feel like your lover is literally tearing you a new one. Lots of lube, go slow,
and you can even try a butt plug during your four stuff to relax things a lot before replacing it with the main act.
But yes, let's hear some more tips for those who are but curious, but want to go about it with fewer surprises.
So that's the first thing.
If you have to poop, there are totally safe ways to do it.
The safest way I usually recommend is just like a fleets enema bottle full of warm tap water.
You don't actually need all of that sodium phosphate solution.
You really don't need like mineral oil or like blah, blah, blah, blah.
all those things.
It's just like warm tap water in a bottle with a soft tip.
I actually did a review for these people once where they sent me like whole bunch of
anal duching things and they come in like bulbs with sharp tips and shower heads.
Some of those things I don't love the sharp tips because I've seen people give themselves
fissures with the sharp tips.
I've seen people give themselves some like hot water injuries with a shower head kind
of attachment things.
So I love the fleet dema.
They actually just developed this awesome product in the UK, which I hope comes here soon.
It's called an A ball, which is like a little hydrogen.
that you can stuff up in your butt and it sits right at the rectosygnoid. And then it stops the poop
from coming down. So instead of having to, you know, do immediately before sex, which kind of like takes
out that, you know, the sexy vibe, right? You just like put something up there, stops everything up,
and you go about your way, which I love the idea of. Of course I looked into this for you.
And this is an innovation from Polari Labs in the UK. And yes, it's called an A ball, a like the letter,
dash ball. Their website lays out an elevator pitch.
It says, who has time for a 45-minute toilet tango?
Not you.
Our ball gets you butt-ready in half a minute.
So you can skip the waiting and slide straight into the good stuff.
But how, you ask, on the edge of your toilet seat?
Okay.
So they say that the A ball gets shoved up during the fun, and it parks itself at the top of the rectum,
like a VIP bouncer, making sure no uninvited guests, aka poop, crash the party.
So remember, at the top of your rectum, there's that sigmoid colon.
And so it kind of like, boop right there so you don't get to that backstage waiting area.
It's kind of like a hydro gel butt tampon that cleans things up along the way and then stands guard for you.
And if four bucks a pop, I priced it out, it's about the same price as a buzz ball.
This could revolutionize what some people call dirt road journeys, making it more like just a smooth cruise on asphalt.
I feel like the A ball people are going to clean up with this.
And going back to that, Jillen, Jamson.
Iris, beanbag the cat, David, Robin, first-time question, asker Janelle, which is my sister's
name, but I don't think it's her.
Etherdog, Alex Minor, and RJ wanted to know.
I mean, RJ Doidge says, okay, as a gay, what should we know that we don't because they don't
teach it in health class or people are too embarrassed to ask?
And other people wanted to know, jamstress, are there health risks of doing anal?
what qualifies is too deep.
Dylan wanted to know
does anal sex lead to any health problems later?
So a lot of people want to know
butt stuff.
Yeah.
Yay or nay from a dog.
Oh my gosh.
We could do a whole episode.
I know.
I'm telling you the butt stuff.
Okay.
So no real health problems, right?
So my counseling usually is just be safe.
So you do want to be protected.
If you are worried about any kind of like discharge,
bleeding pain afterwards, get it checked out.
Make sure you're getting swabbed regularly for STIs.
And get those.
treated, get you and your partners treated. Oh, we have a really great STI episode with Dr. Ina Park
that just came out a few weeks ago, and it's every question you have ever wanted to have addressed.
Please do listen. And yes, we have these crotch episodes like back to back. And I don't know
what to do about it. I think the one thing people are usually trying to ask here is if things
going in your butt all the time causes incontinence. I think that's what people are worried about
because then the anus does stretch, right? So the anus does stretch and it can cause a gallows.
little bit of laxity over time. I have seen people have fecal leakage over time, but most of the
time it's not super common. It does cause hemorrhoids, right? So it can make inflamed hemorrhoids
worse because of all the friction and stuff like that. So I'm like, use a lot of lube.
You can do a lot of gentle preparation and foreplay that will allow a larger size and, you know,
length and girth for penetration. And all of that is okay, as long as you stay safe. The one thing I don't
love is actually washing your anus, washing the anus itself for like reming.
it kind of destroys the microbiome of your anus and that causes a lot of parietus anis,
which is itchy anus.
So you don't actually need to use soap to wash your butt.
Yeah, because of the anal microbiome, it has its own microbiome and it cleans itself.
And I always tell people, you don't actually need to use soap.
When you wash your butt, you know, you wash the rest of your body, use a little water,
warm water, use your fingertips, just rinse and then pat dry.
That's the best thing you can do and leave it alone.
When you're scrubbing it with a washcloth and soap and whatever, you're actually
stripping that top layer of skin off and stripping off that natural microbiome layer,
which then causes things to itch because it's trying to heal. No. So wait, so you're in the shower.
Can some gentle soap go into crack or what? Yes. Crack is okay. Cracking cheeks are okay.
So yeah, 100% you should wash crack in cheeks because that is skin and that is like a totally
different thing. But what I mean is like the immediate anus, which is kind of like the dark wrinkly
area, you really don't need soap there. Oh my gosh. Any question.
Y'all, I did my best to humiliate Dr. Fong and debunk this.
But unfortunately, every article I found from experts is like, water's fine.
Keep the natural skin barrier healthy.
And since we did this recording, I want you to know, it's very personal.
I have ignored this advice.
I'm sorry, my skin barrier.
Soap it is.
I can't give you up.
But there are gentler ones out there so you can consider that.
Because you definitely do not need, like, borax or a Mr. Clean Magic
eraser or a spray bottle of
chlorox. Oh, speaking of
different kind of bleaching. Anil
bleaching, yes or no? No.
You don't need it.
Anis is supposed to be...
I know, ani are supposed to be the color
of the way they are. It's totally fine.
Right, thank you. I wouldn't
worry about it. Okay, well, speaking
of washing, oh, this was a popular one.
Iris, Alex, Agamemann,
Sean, Katie, Britt,
John, first and question, asker,
Thoroposaurus, Jess, Tony Vessel,
John says, why do we not all use bidets? Katie says bidets. Do we love them or love them?
Sean says bidet, truly better than toilet paper alone, right? Agamemnon says, I love my bidet. I will
forever be having a bidet. That said, too much of a good thing can be bad. Can it be too much water
on the butt? Water pressure, especially. They had great questions. Iris, do they have any effect on
radical health? Yeah. One of my 10 bowel commandments is Bada
is the way. So yes, everybody should have a bidet. I don't know why we don't have them in the U.S.
You know, in Asia and Europe, people have them. Yes, they improve anal health. They improve
hemorrhoids. They improve fissures for sure because of the overwiping that people do.
And, you know, bidet, wash, rinse, pat dry, and you're done. In terms of pressure,
there isn't like a firm number on like, you know, too high pressure. But what I usually tell
people is the spray shouldn't be going inside your butthole, right?
Like, you're not trying to give yourself an enema.
You're actually just washing the outside.
So make sure your anus is closed and then spray, rinse, pat dry.
Love it.
It actually just gets rid of so many of those problems that people get from, like,
wiping all the time and fissures and skin tags and hemorrhids and all these things.
Love Bidase.
I think part of the reason was in the early 80s, I want to say.
But there was this, like, study that said that Bidase made women have more UTIs,
but that has since been debunked because it's actually clean water, right?
you're attaching your bidet to the clean water supply. And so it's clean water that goes up into your butt. It's not the toilet water. It's clean water goes into your butt and then just drops back in the toilet. And for people who are afraid to use a bidet because they're like, well, what do I do after it? You can dab yourself dry with the toilet paper. Pat dry with toilet paper. Okay. They make like toilet towels, but you can just pat dry with toilet paper. Okay. And you're talking to someone who has two bidets in the house. One hundred percent of our toilets have bidet. So I'm just, I'm asking the questions that other people are probably like, do I?
No, those are excellent questions. Yeah. Okay. Like we want to get it from all angles. Right.
Yeah. And I know you can go like high-end Japanese that's got more buttons than my car and then to like a tushy or something that's pretty much like one knob.
Yeah. I got one that was called like Big Cow. And it works great for like 20 bucks. I just want to try it out like to be like what a $20 bidet is like it works great.
I understand that in the UK bidetes are illegal because.
their water supply is not like up to clean standards?
Right, yeah.
So I think that's a little bit different because they're not using like the freshwater in their
septic system.
But that's not the case here.
Okay.
At least as far as I know.
And then as you know, wipes clog septic tanks in septic systems.
So they're not great for the environment at all.
Don't do it.
I mean, look up Fatberg and never again.
So gross.
Oh, Fatberg.
Fatberg has got to be the absolute worst noun.
It's got to be the worst object.
that I can imagine.
In an effort to save you some money on plumbing bills,
I'm going to de-influence you on so-called flushable wipes.
Okay, Google, Fatberg, and send me the invoice for the psychotherapy.
It's worth it.
I will tell you that in one photo,
a London sewer worker is holding up this greasy chunk
that's about the size of a small marlin,
were he a fisherman.
I was horrified.
I was traumatized to notice he was not.
wearing gloves. He was just raw dog in his
Fatberg. My mind raced
and raced. I was like, why does he hate himself?
How is his brain not capable of feeling fear?
What is happening? Why? Why? Why? And I zoomed it
on the picture and I was very relieved to see
that his rubber gloves were just the same ruddy peach
color as his skin. But that was a rough, rough 30 seconds
from a psyche. And I'm not grist out by much, but I will tell you
that is... Fatberg, dude. They're up there with a rat king. Like, they're
So it's bad. Okay. Well, speaking of toilet accessories, Miranda Panner, Kari Haiser, Pagebanking, Alex Minor, Chris Moore, Kestrel Wogamuth, Kestrel wanted to know, Squatty Potty's actually helpful or a little silly. And Paige says, real or flim flam. And then also, do they have an effect on hemorrhoids? Chris wants to know. And then Paige said, I found I've become rather dependent on it since I got one, which has made travel-related constipation the worst. So, yeah.
Tell us about it.
So you'll see the studies where it says that the ideal pooping angle is people squatting
because that's how we were like naturally meant to poop is like in a squatting angle.
The studies that look at squatty potty or some kind of like stool show that only 10 to 50% of
people need them because of the way that it adjusts the anal rectal angle, which I thought was
kind of cool.
So for some people it really will help because of the way that your anatomy is.
And for the rest of the people, you actually probably do not need one.
The more important thing, though, is that when you're pooping, you're spending about two to five minutes on the toilet max.
If you're straining for that long that you think that you need a squatty potty and you're sitting there, like, looking at your phone for an hour, your poop probably isn't ready yet.
You know, it's either isn't ready yet or it's too hard.
So I'm always like, get up, go do the dishes, walk around, do something else, like drink a glass of water and then come back and try again.
That is going to be way more helpful in general than purely like a stool type device.
Okay.
Yeah.
So in some people it works.
and then in some people, most people you really don't need it. Travel constipation, I think you actually
asked that question earlier. The reason it's so terrible is because it's like the trifecta, right? So
you're dehydrated because you're trying not to drink when you're on the airplane, you know, and you don't
want to pee on the airplane. You're eating junk from airports and you don't have your usual healthy diet.
You're also sedentary. And then there's also stress. Stress is like a huge factor in constipation
that we're now seeing as totally true. So people who work out too hard, you know, the fight or flight response,
makes it so that you can't digest. And so you're like, hey, you're stressed out. Your body's not
going to digest food. You're actually more worried about pumping blood to your heart and your brain
so that you need to run away in an emergency and not worried about digestion. So actually,
that's four things that makes travel constipation worse. The way I usually get around it is I keep
my water bottle with me, you know, if I have to be like, excuse me, excuse me, like eight times a day,
get around the person to go pee, I try to bring some fruits and vegetables with me. I try to bring
my fiber gummies, my probiotics. And then I'm only known to those people who get to the airport
three hours early. I got to get eyes on the gate. That's just me. Taryn. Tarynne,
a travel influencer, calls this L-E-O-T-G or Leo Tej, lay eyes on the gate. I think about it every time I go
to an airport. All right. This is a great question a bunch of people had. Jennifer, Corrine, J,
Nick Ryder, Tuhah, Annalise DeYoung, Honeydue, Marta, K-D-O, Emily, wanted to know
Honeyduce says, why is there sometimes a sharp pain of the booty hole during the period?
Oh.
And Nick says secondering the period butt pain question.
Jennifer wants to know, why does getting your period affect your bowel movements?
As if it wasn't a crapshoot, ha-ha already, they say.
That's going on.
So period affects your bowel movements because of the hormonal changes.
So increase of estrogen and progesterone makes it so that it actually increases the water absorption in your colon and makes your stool's firmer.
So we know that, like around the time of your period, you actually can get more constipation and diarrhea.
Really, both because of the way your body absorbs fluids.
The sharp shooting pain, though, is actually something a little bit different.
That's called proctalgia fugex.
And so that's more common in women, but it is also super, super common in men.
Like, I don't want to leave men out of this because people will come in.
And I kind of joke that my practice is a proctology, pionytal cysts, and pelvic floor.
The three P is because I do so much pelvic floor.
and we're just now finding out that there's so much we don't know about the pelvic floor
and the way that the pelvic muscles interact with the rectum.
And so women tend to hold a lot of stress in your pelvis.
So literally we'll just walk around like keeping our butts clenched all the time, like literally
tight ass.
And the more you clench it, the more the muscle spasm, the more it's like, hey, you know,
we're supposed to be like this.
And eventually when it starts to go and you feel that sharp pain is being like, hey,
we're in spasm.
Can something let me out now?
In some cases, it'll be like some gas triggering the spring.
response. So I'm stool on the rectal vault triggering this response, but it's actually a muscle spasm,
that sharp shooting pain. Okay. And again, you've been pregnant. You and your wife have three kids now.
Addison Allie says, as an OBGYN, I'm interested in what advice you would give to women or pregnant
people who experience anal sphincter injury from delivery. And also just in general, like pregnancy and
butt stuff, why?
Yeah, yeah, pregnancy and postpartum.
So constipation gets worse because of all the things we talked about, like increased
relaxin and hormonal changes and things like that, the increased abdominal girth, like, you
actually have more weight sitting on your pelvis, so everything is kind of getting
squished out.
So preventatively, in your first and third trimesters, the constipation and the hemorrhoids are
usually the worst because you're the first trimester because of the hormones, the third
trimester because of the anatomical differences.
You do all the same things preventatively.
right, the fiber of the water, the exercise, you know, use some of the compound ointments prophylactically,
if you can. The obstetric injuries, that is a really good question. So when you have like a first degree
or second degree tear, it's usually kind of just through the skin, not a big deal. Sometimes when you
get to a third or fourth degree that involves the anus, and I can always tell because they're usually
anterior, right? So the tear is between the vagina and the anus. The teaching is a rectalvaginal
fistula when it becomes like a little abnormal tunnel that goes from your rectum to your,
your vagina and then when you fart there's like air coming out of your badge or like some stool really
really horrible to deal with people get so much like shame and embarrassment from it the teaching is that
generally a true obstetric injury like that heals in about six months oh okay because this in six
months the inflammation will go down and the skin will heal if it hasn't i would definitely say see a
colorectal surgeon because there's a ton of things we can do we could put like a little siton
ring through it which is like a little rubber band there's things we can do such as like closing the
fissula with a suture or an endal anal advancement flap where I kind of pull like a flap over the
rectal side and just close it up. So I don't want women to be embarrassed by this. I want you to go
fix it because it's super, super like quality of life, you know, issue. Going from uterite to
prostates, Orion, potato puffer, David Gregg, Malai, my eye, my, Alex Minor, Katie Hammond,
potato says prostate massage, should we be doing it? Also, Malai says, I don't have one and I'm
curious what's going on in there. I mean, it's right in front of it, right in front of your
your mouthhole? Okay. So literally the front surface or the anterior surface of your rectum is the prostate.
So yeah, prostate massage. Sure, if it feels good, you're literally just poking your finger in the
anus and massaging it a little bit. There are things where, you know, doing it too much,
but it can cause a little bit of chronic prostititis and I've seen that happen. So just be cautious,
you know, and if it starts hurting or if you're starting having like burning with urination,
burning with ejaculation, things like that, go check a co-urologist.
Okay, we do have a whole urology episode with your favorite urologist, Dr. Fenwa Millhouse.
It's just waiting for you. But back to the prostate, it's a walnut-sized gland. It lies between a
rectum and a urethra in humans with penises. And if you will, please allow me to read from the book
of WebMD. So it says the prostate is sometimes called the male G-spot or the P-spot. And
prostate massage can be a sexual activity, inserting a finger, penis, or device,
of the anus and stimulating the prostate from there can lead to orgasm for some people. You can also
stimulate the gland from the outside by massaging the prostate through the perineum, which is the area
between the anus and the scrotum, also known as the taint or the gooch. We've been to say that last
part, but it continues. Orgasm achieved slowly through perennium massage is sometimes known as a perennial
orgasm. Such a good drink. But let's cool things down. Just a sec. Spencer wants to know why do
some farts smell way worse than others.
Charlie Bean wants to know if someone gets the hair removed from the butthole,
our farts typically louder.
Whoa.
Wow, I thought I've heard everything.
That's like on the tree falls.
I'm going to say hairs, no, because it's really more body habitist from what I've seen
than the actual hair itself, because normal anal-canepal.
I was like, you know, six to eight centimeters or so. But some people have like really large butt cheeks, right? So the butt shakes can actually go far beyond. And that farting, the clapping there is going to be way more important than the few hairs that are around your anus. The hairs, what they do do is trap odor. And actually I'm all for like leave it natural and stuff like that. But what I have noticed is that when people were worried about more of an odor issue, it's actually the hair. It's not the poop. Right. So like, okay, in those cases, use a little gentle soap.
But yeah, I don't know that it's like an auditory thing, more like an odor thing.
Okay.
Are you ever in there?
This is a question from Quinn, Lillian, Anonymous, Brie, Lena, and Jay.
Are you ever in there and you see endometriosis?
Yes.
What the fuck?
Yes.
It's not common, but it isn't a differential, which is that if you are having like chronic
rectal pain or, you know, pelvic pain and you've had a laparoscopy, you've seen a gynecone,
and they can't diagnose it, you can have endometrial implants in your rectum that are causing that
pain and spasm and bleeding. So endometriosis, if you are lucky enough to not know about this,
it is when tissue that's similar to uterine tissue shows up absolutely uninvited in places
that are not your uterus. And so what, except that it's excruciatingly painful, particularly
around one's period. Some symptoms are period pain in weird places or so bad that it doubles you over
and makes you wish that you were born a tree.
Pain during or after sex or orgasm hurts,
painful bowel movements, heavy bleeding, infertility,
and you can also experience pain.
The pain is very bad pain.
Another symptom of endometriosis is called gaslighting
on the part of doctors who tell you that periods
are supposed to hurt that bad.
Now, I am lucky enough to not have this,
but I have friends who do,
and if you've ever seen someone having to pull over
because their period pain is so bad, you know that shit is not normal. But it takes on average
nearly a decade to get properly diagnosed. And remember, that's on average, which means some people
a lot longer. Treatment for endometriosis involves surgery to find and remove that errant tissue from
wherever it has taken root, which might be your intestines. It's not common, but you do definitely
see that on colonoscopy and sigmoidoscopies and stuff. Yeah. My God. And do you have to remove it or then do you
have to get an OBGYN-YN surgeon back in there.
Oh, yeah, no, I remove it.
Okay.
That's not something they would remove the, like, not going to touch the rectum.
So I remove that and then send it's pathology.
A lot of times it is a multidisciplinary thing.
So if they have to be there to remove other endometrial implants in the pelvis,
we do that, like, all jointly in the OR.
Okay.
Kimberly Butts, first-time question asker, says, I feel it's my time to shine.
My last name is Butts.
Buts?
Yeah.
So we straight up butts.
a first-time question, ask our long-time listener.
Why did smoking certain types of weed give me diarrhea?
Is it similar to food sensitivity?
Amy Oslin says,
my father has explosive diarrhea every day.
He thinks it's normal.
And Katie wants to know, super weird.
Feel free to skip.
But why does diarrhea feel hot?
Like, since it's more water, shouldn't it feel cooler?
What's happening?
So do certain drugs cause diarrhea?
Is explosive diarrhea ever normal?
And is it an irritation of the butt tissue that's hitting that acid? Is that why hot shits, hot snakes?
Yeah. So hot shits because of the inflammation. Yes, 100%. That's why it feels warmer.
And then also like the bile acid, you know, as it's coming out, it actually should be warm, right? It's not a cold liquid that's coming out. It's like a hot liquid. So that's the first thing. Explicit diarrhea can be normal. And actually I remember now what that other question was. It was, why does some smell work?
Yes. So all of it is related to what you eat, right? So things that are fermented by more gas-producing
bacteria will cause more gaseiness and different smells. So like, you know, obviously we know
that broccoli smells worse, asparagus smells worse, because those things have to be fermented by
certain bacteria, by phyto-bacterium that kind of digest it and causes like gaseiness and
explosive bite diarrhea. I would say like three times a day is technically within normal
limits still. Like if it's an explosive gassy stool, diarrhea technically is.
is defined by four or more stools a day, like four or more runny stools where you can't keep up with
their hydration.
Well, I mean, I probably just see what he's eating.
Like, is it a lot of beans?
Yeah, that would do it.
Can weed do that?
Yes, we can do it.
So weed does irritate the colon.
It kind of stimulates contractility.
But then I always tell people it's bugs or drugs too, right?
So bugs or drugs have a huge influence on your colon.
And we know that, for example, opioids can constipate you.
But things like metformin, like diabetes medication,
can actually cause you to have diarrhea.
And then there's a certain bacteria like C-DIF that will cause you to have diarrhea,
but then there's also a constipating type of C-DF where you can actually have constipation.
So bugs are drugs.
I forgot to ask the difference between colitis, ulcerative colitis, Crohn's disease, those are
autoimmune?
Yeah, those are autoimmune diseases.
Those come into the category of inflammatory bowel disease, IBD, which is different from
IBS, which is irritable bowel syndrome.
Okay. Yeah, I think I hear that term used interchangeably sometimes. And IBD tends to be a little more
chronic. They're autoimmune. Certain populations tend to have more of it. And they can be a little bit more
severe in that you can get like bloody diarrhea, abdominal cramping, and those have to be diagnosed with colonoscopy and
biopsies and generally treated with medications like biologic medications that, you know, calm down your
immune system. And then in severe cases, you end up with surgery to remove the disease portions of the bowel,
like small bowel or colon. IBS, on the other hand, is super common. We know that a lot of people have it.
And there's IBSC, which is constipation type, IBSD, which is diarrhea type, and then IBS mix, which is the mixed type.
This tends to be more of a diagnosis of exclusion, which means that we've ruled out, IBD or cancer or diverticulitis.
And you're still having, like, too many bowel movements a day or too few bowel movements that day.
Or a lot of people tell me they have urgency, which is like they feel like they have to go, even though nothing comes out.
And even though people used to be like, oh, that's just like a mental thing, you know, you're just imagining it.
Now we're seeing that a lot of it has to do with like abdominal hypersensitivity.
You just feel things differently in your abdomen.
And then, of course, the microbiome.
Like I think we're going to see that it's a, it's really changes in your microbiome.
And now we know there's different strands that are more prevalent in some IBS types.
Last listener question, Dave Langanais.
Only person who asked this wanted to know why is a buttload precise.
precisely 126 gallons equal to two hogsheads. Have you ever heard this? I've never heard this,
but I might have to do an aside on it. This might be an aside. Wow, you've stumped me with the
last question. I actually do not know. I would like to know why a buttload is two hogsheads,
and if two hogsheads can fit into your colon. I hope not. I hope not. So just for fun, just for fun.
A hogshead is a cask holding 300 liters or about 80 gallons. And a butt holds around 500 liters. And a butt load thereby is technically, yeah, about 120 gallons. Also, a bung is a stopper in a barrel. And if you take out the bung, you will have a bung hole. And sniffing a bonghole can tell you a lot about the liquid that's aging therein, like a whiskey or a wine. So tell everyone you know. That's why text messaging was invented.
I thought you were going to ask me how many people
have sent me like pictures of their butts and their poop,
but that's the answer is a lot.
Oh my God.
So, I mean, I love that like getting pictures of people's buttholes and poop is like
not even remotely the worst part of the job.
In fact, it's probably delightful.
But like what I'm going to guess as a colorectal surgeon,
there's definitely very hard parts of the job.
But what is something that's either a slog or just tough?
I mean, I think most people are going to say like dealing with insurance.
But for me, because I'm such like a curious person, like not being able to figure something out is the worst part of my job.
We're like, I don't know why.
Like we've done everything.
And then there's that like 2% of me that's like, well, you know, someday we're going to find out there's just one little more factor that we don't know about.
Favorite thing about what you do?
I really love that people get such satisfaction from finding someone who they can talk to about their butt problems.
problems. Because for so long, I think people will be like, oh, my God, I was so embarrassed. I didn't want to seek help. I didn't want to, you know, have anyone look at my butt. And then they come talk to me and be like, oh my God, that was like so much easier than I thought. And that's part of the reason why I do this, because I really want people to be able to talk about their butt and gut health so that if they're bleeding, they go and seek help a little bit sooner rather than being like, oh my God, I don't want anyone to look at my butt. And then it turns out to be cancer and they just never had someone look. So early awareness.
you know, more awareness and more education. That's the best part.
Black stools. Yes, black tary souls. Get it checked out 100%. Constellation of symptoms is black
tary stool, abdominal bloating, unintentional weight loss. Right. So that's the key one.
I'm going to go on record and say, I love you. I think you're wonderful. Oh, no. I love you.
So we are, it's mutual. You're wonderful. Everyone should have your book on their nightstand or maybe on the back of their toilet, but only
for a few minutes at a time.
Yes.
Only for a few minutes at a time.
So ask charming people, alarming questions.
And remember, your doctor has seen it all.
And then they've gone deeper and seen even more.
So go book your colonoscopy.
And yes, I will link in the show notes and we'll re-release that field trip colonoscopy right along just for you.
Feel free to send this episode to anyone who needs it.
Dr. Fong is at Dr. Carmen Fong on Instagram and we'll have more links and studies up at
Alleyward.com slash ologies slash coloproctology. Thank you again, Carmen. Also, everyone get her book.
We'll link that in the show notes as well. We are at Ologies on Blue Sky and Instagram, and I'm at
Alleyward on both. We have Smologies, which are shorter kid-friendly episodes. You can find in
their own feed. Just type in S-M-O-L-O-G-I-E-S in your podcast app. Or you can see Alleyward.com
slash Smologies. Aaron Talbot, Zoologhys podcast, Facebook group. Avaline Malik makes
our professional transcripts. Calliard Dwyer-Dawyer does a website. Making our appointments is
scheduling producer Noel Dillworth, keeping things moving, is managing director Susan Hale
and making sure all the cuts gel and come out smoothly are editors Jake Jaffe and lead editor,
Mercedes Maitland of Maitland Audio.
Nick Thorburn sounded the theme music, and if you stick around to the very end, you know,
I may tell you a secret.
And this week is that I forgot to ask Jared earlier to make me a stinger for the very end of this.
I wanted him to make me a song that was like a black hole sun, but was like black tar stools.
Won't you come and get it check?
Black tar stools, won't you come and get it checked?
You get it.
Also, if you're looking for more fiber and you like chia seeds, but you're like, I forget,
I got to soak them before you eat them, but you have no patience.
You can add hot water to your dried chia seeds, and then they swell up real quick.
And then you maybe add a little ice, cool it down, and then you can add that to a drink.
Put it in a matcha latte and you sip it.
kind of like tiny, tiny, tiny bobas made out of frog's eggs.
Personally, I like chewing them up, and it's a snack that both my mouth and my butthole can
agree on.
All right, stay off the toilet for a long time.
Bye-byeerminthology.
Croptozoology.
Littology.
Namsuology.
Meteorology.
I guess all it's always uranium, huh?
