On Display with Melissa Gorga - Apple Martinis and Lamborghinis (w/ Frank Catania)

Episode Date: September 22, 2022

Melissa is joined by Apple Martini expert, admired house ex-husband, and former Mr. New Jersey himself, Frank Catania, to share his reasons for finally talking about his current relationship, his unconventional dynamics with his ex-wife, and why baby animals really tug at his heart.  As a bonus, a certain house-husband/comedian heard about this interview and decided to crash it. Stay tuned.  This week's sponsor: Caraway - Clean Cookware: carawayhome.com/melissa (10% off next purchase)

You want to come say hi, we're gonna pull Joe in for a minute. How you doing my wife? Why does he have no shirt on? No, no! Okay, Frank. So, Goring, I'm so excited. I know. All right, everybody.

I am so excited about this guest. And you guys are going to be too, because he's just one of the heart throbs out here in New Jersey. You know him for his Apple Teenies, his wonderful relationship with the mother of his children. And for literally being an askissor, ladies and gentlemen, I have the always charming Frank Katania. Thank you, Melissa. It's a pleasure I have the always charming Frank Katania. Uh, thank you, Melissa. It's a pleasure to be on here. Melissa Gorgia, believe me.

Was that an inshore or what? That sure was. I wasn't sure you were talking about me. Yeah. Well, hold on. Like, can I just ask this? Because by the way, I love an apple martini. And I feel like I did that a lot. Like, when I was younger in my 20s, and like if guy would take me on a date, which there wasn't many, but you know, if I went on a date, I would always ask for an apple martini.

Like why didn't you ever stop drinking those? Like when did this happen? Melissa, I don't know. I, you know, if it's not broken, why fix it, right? In a case where, although I did involve a little bit, what I do now is I have an apple martini with vanilla vodka and it tastes like a candy apple.

Oh my God. So you just like sweet. You like the 2D fruity fresh and fruity drinks. Just like myself. I love it. All right. Well, so as a lot of people know, Frank's on the Real House. So I was in New Jersey with all of us.

And Frank, I stress about you sometimes, because I'm like, you know, you were always on the show, right, filming with with Dolores, right? So now I'm like, all right, Dolores is bringing this like new guy around. And I can't lose Frank. We all can't lose Frank. Like we all need you to stay in the picture. Are you going to continue? I guess the big question is, if Dolores is like real serious with this guy, will you continue to bless us like with your presence? Will you stick around for us? Well, I have to be honest with you, right?

When Dolores was a polly this year, I thought I'd be weaned off. It's the New Jersey housewives. And you know, I my connection to the show was Dolores. And Dolores now has a significant other who appears on the show. So I expect it a little bit by a little bit to be weaned off this year. Quite to the opposite. Production kept calling me to film and film and film. All right. Listen, you know, listen, Joe Gorgas, you know, not exactly Joe Gorgas on a film without his partner next to him.

Right. Right. And you know, you have tie-ins other than Dolores as well. First of all, you and Dolores, I feel like no matter what. And this will play out on the Real Housewives this year, the relationship and kind of like the trials and tribulations that that it brings when you two both finally kind of find someone else, right, without giving too much away because the Bravo gods are listening. Yeah, yeah. But you know, it's a struggle because we think about it too because it's like, well, Frank's here to kind of be by Dolores's side, but if Dolores has someone else by her side, like, we don't want to lose Frank. No one wants to lose Frank. So you have to promise right here, right now that we're not going to lose Frank. You're going to be here for a long time

with all of us. Melissa, if it was up to me, I absolutely 100%. I love filming. Come on, you see me at the door while we're filming. I just have a good time. I really like it. Do you enjoy it? Because obviously you're not there for the money. Let's be real.

Exactly, for sure. Exactly. I do enjoy it. At first, it was a little bit of a novelty when we started. And then second, you mesh with the guys. And we really have a good time. We have a good time and I enjoy it and I do enjoy filming. So I'm happy. I'm happy I still got the calls. Is there any part that you regret like that you came on and you're like, oh my god, like

I'm not even getting paid to be here. Like, why did I say that? Or do you ever get any shit for anything you said or done? You not I gotta be honest with you. My my followers, I don't call them fans because I still don't accept it. My followers, you know, normally are very, very the lenient with me to say the least. Although I did catch a lot of shit when the Laura and I and the children were out the one night and we had an issue and I'm talking about my daughter sex life. All right. Yeah, I call some shit. I call some shit. Yeah, I did. So come on, you catch very minimal shit. I feel like everyone loves Frank. Exactly. You know that you're loved by all. You are loved by all like I have a I have a I have a huge heart and I wasn't always like this and I say it all the time. I think I'm a nice person, I really do.

And unfortunately, I became like this and I became much nicer after my mother passed away in 2007. Prior to that, I really wasn't this nice. I know. Well, you always got, I'm sure you always got, you know, there's always that story that Dolores tells of how you did cheat on our right and you did end up going to someone else. I remember you kind of like in the circle that you were the you were older than me out in the clubs, right?

But you were just hitting the end of it there. And I remember like you had a name then and I didn't even know you that well, but you were like Frank Catania. You always like the best cars and the best boats and you owned hardleys and all of these things. And it was like, you know, you were older than me at that time, but I remember you back then and I remember girls used to fight over you. Poor Dolores.

Oh my god. I don't know what stated that. I just if anyone could see Frank's face right now, he's completely blushing because he knows it's true. He knows it's true. Well, listen, you've lived, right? What would you say you were like growing up? Like give me a little bit of you in your years.

Like when you were in like your 30s and like, what were you like? Listen, growing up, I was very shocked. There was never, I would never grow, I was very shy. There was never I would never go I would I would never approach a girl ever you know they would have to approach me or quite honestly No, I've never did pick up a girl. But that changed that changed in my mid to late 20s Working out with the confidence from working out and being Mr. New Jersey and then your whole attitude changes and did change But I was always respected and always nice, right? I tried to be. I just, I wasn't as nice as I am now, right? You see on a show, on a show, I don't, I try not to get involved in any one particular

side. I try to stay down the middle as much as I can. Sometimes that's very difficult, but I try and that's what I do in life. I really have to, you know, in life. So, and I didn't enjoy being an attorney either and that as an attorney, you always argue with somebody. I don't think man, I don't want to argue. I don't want to feed you with anybody. So, you know, I forget sometimes that you were actually Mr. New Jersey. I Melissa, I might have been before you were born. My God. I hate to say it. It was before my girlfriend was born. All right. Oh my God. And we're going to get into your girlfriend because I know everyone's so interested in hearing about Britney. And I

do know her personally. And I we're going into Britney. Don't think we're skipping her. We're talking about Britney today. But now that you just brought up not taking sides, I have to address this recently, you said something on, I forget what news outlet it was or whatever, that you felt like you were like, like it was a brawl, right? At the real house, like at the finale, kind of.

Oh, it's a finale. Yes, it's a finale. But is it fair to say like you're being a little dramatic? It wasn't a complete brawl. No. No, I mean, listen, they, it never got to the point of any punches being thrown. All right.

Thank God. It wasn't a Melissa Jennifer Shore scene. All right. Oh my God, don't embarrass me. That's so embarrassing. When we know I'm embarrassed when I watch that scene. But anyway, go ahead. But listen, your husband, your husband's

very protective of you, very protective of you. And I don't see any husband should be proud of that. And it got to the point. If in fact, you know myself and Joe Beningo, I don't think we intervened, it would have got a lot worse. Okay, the women, oh my God. What the hell, I can't get it without getting into it. I don't know what the hell happened.

I've never seen yelling a screaming, you know, listen, three years ago, it explodes, this and that throws some things. And this went on, you saw it went off for an hour screaming yellow. It was torture. It was torture. And I got to be honest with you. I was upset for poorly. I was upset for poorly because he had so many other things set up for that finale at his beautiful place.

And we didn't even get to enjoy them. We didn't even get to enjoy. We literally got into one room pretty much, right? And he had things set up throughout his whole tire house. And we didn't get to do any of the extra stuff. Anything. I don't know. He actually had Casino set up down in the means. I know he did. That's one of the things I had. He had these fire brewers too. We're waiting outside. I know. And we it's we didn't get to it. So listen, the viewers do it. It'll be nice for the viewers. The viewers will definitely not be bored.

Okay. Oh, No, it's definitely a finale. But this is also going into why I hate throwing parties for filming on the real housewives of New Jersey. Because I feel like it gets short, it's short by like the drama, right? It gets shortens. And it's like, you have all these things planned and you really want to throw a good party. But at the end of the day, it turns into drama and that you never really enjoy all the money we put into parties or all the, just we want people to enjoy it. And I, you know, me, I'm a party thrower.

Yeah. So I always get frustrated to throw one on camera because I'm like, no, I want it to be so good. And I want to, I want everyone to experience like an awesome party, but it never goes down that way, right? Right? Never., never does. Well, that's almost like me. I, and it's, you see it on the screen a lot because I say it a lot because really it does. I just want to eat. I said, the Lord's all the time before some just let me just let me. That's when we don't get to eat, right? Frank. Oh my God. I almost started crying. Remember last year, last year when, when Joe and, and Delores got into it a little bit at Michelle's house, right?

I was standing on the line all by myself with a mozzarella, right? That they were making for like 15 minutes and then he just got just close to finish and already to get a piece. Frank, let's fucking go. I was like, oh no, please. And that's every time we have a party. Every time we always stay even more on vacation. I mean, we were wherever we go. that's every time we have a party. Every time we always say, even more on vacation,

I mean, we were wherever we go, we're just like, wait, wait, wait, can we just like eat the appetizers? Because we're gonna be starving when we leave. And it's the worst. So there's a little tip for everyone who watches housewise. Half the time we don't get to eat before the drama. It's the best trip.

It's the worst. It's horrible. Who would you say that you're, I mean, I think I know, but like, who are the closest you on the show when it comes to men Do you feel like you're close with all of them or what do you what do you feel about that? No, I'm definitely closest to where your husband and Joe Beningo You and the two Joe's are tight. Yes, and on the outside of screen that that's the most time spent with the two of them

And I think they just you know between their path when I say their history, they're growing up. Um, we just have much more in common. Well, although quite honestly, one of the new guys this year, I think fits in pretty well. What is to, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Love him. We won't say any names, but we love him. Um, so this is what I want to ask you. Like, is it rough for you? Because I feel like you are kind of like a peacemaker in the group, right? So is it rough for you when obviously you've known Teresa forever, you've known New Jersey, right? It's like, we met a long time ago with houses and all kinds of different things. So it's like, there's a history there with you and this brother and sister and obviously you know how it's just so hard to navigate, right? I know that you feel my pain when it comes to navigating

like the siblings and like, what's right and what's wrong. I mean, is it really hard for you just because I know you have love for both of them? Yes. Melissa, would you even bother me more? This is the first time. This is the first time when I'm asked or questions. I don't see a resolution. I don't see a resolution at start. I'm going to between and two of them. And because I think Joe, Joe is to the point, you know, something he's tired. He's tired and continue. I don't think Teresa's, you know, is at the point she wants to make an effort. And it's a don't worry about me or about you. You're you're married to the one element your system was. I mean, that's I know, I know what it's like. It's horrible. It is horrible, you know. So it's been horrible for years,

just dealing with the back and forth and trying to navigate it without coming out like the bad guy a lot of times then it'll be like let's blame someone else, let's blame the person who's not the blood in the family, which would be me, right? Because I'm the last man standing. So I've always navigated those waters and I know you know that and it's always been like a long, does it feel different to you this time? Because just between me and you without either of them with us, it feels different to you this time? Because just between me and you without either of them with us, it feels different to me. Yes, it feels very much different.

And Melissa, all through it, and honestly, it's a shame because people only see what's on the screen. I know, I know over the years, how much you've kept your mouth shut in order to try to keep the peace, okay? And I did, right? I mean, because I was a personal friend of mine. And we talked about a lot more the building. And I know that. But it's gotten to

the point. And it's your husband, obviously, you know, when he says, you know, Melissa, you know, do me a favor, I'm tired, you don't want to keep your mashup, don't keep your mashup able. At that point, you know, it's, you know, people don't know all the semantics behind the scenes. Don't realize that. Don't realize that. And it's a shame.

It's a shame. It sucks. It just sucks. But I don't, I gotta be honest with you. I, both hard-headed, both hard-headed. So, and we had guys like this year and again, try to talk to Joe. And, no, man, I just don't, I don't, I don't see what happened. It's a shame.

It just, I know. And it's sad. But I also, I feel you on that. It's never what I wanted or thought whatever it would ever come to. But for me, it feels extremely different. I feel like everyone is truly, you know, at their limit where they're just, the will is not there anymore, right? It's just it's gone. Or before I felt like everybody was still willing to try or to talk, I just feel like at this point, everyone is almost like thrown in the towel. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. I can be honest with you.

And I feel the same way. And anyone I talk to, I tell them, you know, and I hold that Joe in Theresa. What about Joe? I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I've been outspoken. I've been very outspoken. Um, you know, I don't know if we get into a Melissa, but you have the wedding, okay?

I went through the wedding and I said it, you know, and I don't blame Joe. Believe me, it's just, it tugged in my heart when you see it. Of course it did. It touched us. It touched us. And I know it bothered him. I know for Joe not to be walking her down the aisle.

All right. So it's, you know, and I know it bothered him. I know for Joe not to be walking her down the aisle. All right. So it's, you know, and I know about it. As much as Joe doesn't say so, I know about them. I know about it. So I know too, Frank, between me and you, I know too. I know that he wished he was asked to. I know all of these things, you know? For sure.

If the wedding is, it is what it is at this point. It's a shame to me that this is what it came to, but I feel like now, you know, for our family, right? And for our three children, and even for Theresa, and her girls, and her new life, everyone needs to just find peace right now, right? And so that's where I am. And you get to the point.

You get to the point when you're on a sudden, okay, if there's gonna be peace, if we gotta be a part to have peace, you get to the point. You get to the point when you're on a Sunday. Okay, if there's going to be peace, if we got to be a part that peace, you get to the point because the kids grow up so quickly. I can tell you that, you look at my kids. Oh my God, I can remember when I were little. You're going to blink your eye. Your daughter, your sons are going to be full blown.

Right. Well, on a lighter note, I just saw your child the other day where I went to the VMAs, right? Oh, yes, stop. Yes, and little Frankie was there. I call him little Frankie. You go and Frank Jr. He's home Frank Jr. or little Frank?

I still call him Frankie. You know, I'm going to be honest with you. My dad still holds me Frank. So, you know, that's just the way. So you're Frank, he's Frankie. Yes. To you guys, my household is either, you know, Frankie or Frank, all right?

Well, let me tell you, obviously he's a very gorgeous human, right? But he really is. But not only is he gorgeous, he has the he's the kindest, sweetest, most appropriate, like since this child, I've known this child since he's probably five years old. He has always, always, always been the most respectful, like one of the most respectful and your daughter as well, Gabby. And she's just as gorgeous. You and Dolores, one thing I will say, made the most incredible children.

And I'm not just talking about looks, like they're so polite, they're so kind, they're so appropriate is like the word I think I want to use. And even just seeing him the other night, he was all dressed up. He's, I feel like Frankie doesn't even know what he is or what he looks like, which makes him that much better.

Right? Melissa, thank you very much. There's nothing more you know. There's nothing more, everything we do on screen, everything. Nothing you like to hear more than when you hear good things about your children, all right? And I gotta be honest with you, I have to get credited with worse, all right?

The lawyers didn't take any shit while I was growing up, all right? If you didn't take any shit, but I said grown up, all right? If you said hello to my child, my child wasn't looking at you, all right? You get the little nudge between the shoulder blades in the back, all right? Believe me, and listen, you know. Well, can I tell you, to the lawyers and I have talked about this before,

her and I have very similar parenting style. And she always says that her and I are very similar in the tough love department with our kids and just really demanding respect and the right and wrong and what we let them get away with and what we don't let them get away with. So that's, you know, I look up to you guys because obviously your children are 10 years older than mine. So, you know, I could only dream that all three of mine come out as amazing as I was supposed to be. And I'm sure they will. I'm sure they will. Oh my god, Jim is going to high school this year isn't. Yeah. So he just started freshman football.

Yeah. And Antonia is a senior. So it's crazy. I have two kids that like she's going to now drive him, which by the way, Frank, she's an excellent driver. I had no idea. She's really good. She's driving him to school in the morning, which is surreal for me, because like my daughter is driving my son. They're both going to high school. And to me, that's just insane. Like I never thought that would happen. We went through it. We went through the same thing. I mean, at first, you're so worried about when your first child drives, but then after about 30 days, Melissa, you're like, thank God, oh my God, I'm not a taxi anymore. I'm not a taxi. Exactly. And the football season, the football season is upon us. And I'm sure I'll be seeing you in jail because they'll go to the same games, right? Yeah. My nephew plays your door of cheerleads. So yes, I'm sure

you guys have a little bit together. Yeah, we'll see you on the bleachers always over at Ramipo will be will be rooting for our kids over there. But yeah, just Frankie's an amazing kid saw me other day. He's awesome. It's time to dish the chemicals with caraway homes, non-toxic cookware and bakeware collections.

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second because it's like tell us how long you've been with Brittany we need to know how long you've been dating Brittany. I don't bring me for probably about 10 years right? I know her. And I met Brittany at the same time I met Rachel. I trained a both of them. All right. I trained a both of them ready for their shows. So I was British trainer and I honestly mean Brittany have probably been together. I relate to Shabwais. I've got three three and a half years. That is insane to me. So, we have a friend named Rachel Fuda, who is very good friends with Brittany,

who is Frank's girlfriend, in case we need to, we need to tell the Melissa and I call them the Melissa and I is that cute? Oh, I like that. We need to keep them up to date. So a good friend of ours, Rachel Fuda, is best friends with Brittany, and the two of them met you, they used you as their trainer, correct? That's right. Yeah,

I got both ready for show. Very similar to Teresa, what we did. And the two then look to do it. I'm looking for them. They look incredible. Okay, why have we not known about Brittany? Like, were you hiding Brittany Frank? Do you like to like come off like the single Playboy? Where has Britney been? Why are we just seeing her now on Instagram more? In pictures with you? I'm calling you out on this. It's too full. First of all, Britney has very thin skin. Production is asking me not bad. It's past season, but for the past couple seasons, to have my girlfriend come to our parties,

and she wouldn't do it. And the reason she wouldn't do it mainly, other than the fact that she's afraid of people on Instagram, who are sometimes gonna be horrible, she's got thin skin, she didn't wanna be perceived as the reason that the loris and I were not together. Because people just love the loris and I together,

and everything should be together but you know people around us who know us okay and I also also Dolores is boyfriend knows it that won't happen that won't happen it's nobody's fault it's nobody's nobody to blame for it that's just not gonna happen and then secondly you know year, so she's at least feels comfortable. She knows the women in the show better. She knows her friends show that's why she came around a little bit this year. And the fact that Dolores has a boyfriend, right? And people won't be able to say, well, why is Frank not with Dolores? Okay?

Also helps. So, right. And listen, I can totally understand that. I would never want to be known as the younger girl, the 20 year younger girl. 25. She's 25 year. We're going to have a whole conversation about that also because I'm going to have to understand that as well. But I would never want to be the one who broke up or came in the middle of frank and delourse, right? Because Delores right because everybody just wants to see you guys reconnect everyone just wanted to believe in their heads That you guys kiss behind our backs or that you guys are making love somewhere in in her ex-boyfriends house That's what they want to believe by the way, or is that where you are right now? Are you talking to me from David's house? Yes, I am. Yes, I am what a beautiful home

Thank you. I built it. I sure did better be beautiful I could talk to you about so many things. I don't know where to start. You're calling me from Dolores. His ex house is one whole subject. Oh my God. All right. So, so just to get back to Brittany,

I do understand. Okay. That she that was like a little tough for her. And that people would, you know, but now you're more comfortable. Why? Because Dolores has come out with Polly and that Dolores has a man. So she's a little bit more comfortable. You. Yes, not not only that, but the fact is listen, Brittany is Brittany is considerably younger than me. But and and and what I hate is when people say, oh my God, you know, you got to grow on your arm. You're trying to look like, you know, some young guy, you know,

you live in a youth, you met Brittany. If Brittany didn't act like a 50 year old, I wouldn't be with her. Right. Brittany's in bed by 930. Brittany doesn't want to go club and Brittany doesn't want to get I imagine. You know, Brittany, let's watch a movie five minutes later. I look over. She's out cold.

Right. Well, she's not. No, I will say this. I will vouch. I've met Brittany. Um, very beautiful, very kind, very sweet, a lot younger than you. And but she's very mature, super mature. I would say she's, you know, an old soul, right? That's exactly that's exactly the way she describes herself as an old soul. And I'm I gotta tell you, Brittany is the most optimistic, tell you something, I'm going to tell you something, I'm going to tell you something, I'm going to tell you something, I'm going to tell you something,

I'm going to tell you something, I'm going to tell you something, I'm going to tell you something, I'm going to tell you something, I'm going to tell you something, I'm going to tell you something, I'm going to tell you something, I'm going to tell you something,

I'm going to tell you something, I'm going to tell you something, I'm going to tell you something, I'm going to tell you something, I'm going to tell you something, I'm going to tell you something, I'm going to tell you something, I'm going to tell you something,

I'm going to tell you something, I'm going to tell you something, I'm going to tell you something, I'm going to tell you something, I'm going to tell you something, I'm going to tell you something. So I mean, obviously you guys have very similar lifestyles and you have the same maturity, but 25 years is a huge difference. And you know, I have to ask like, what is the hardest thing that you've encountered with this age gap? Melissa, there hasn't been much at all. When you go out, nobody points out.

In fact, quite to launch quant contrary People come up and say oh my god, what a beautiful couple you guys are blah blah blah the biggest issue I can be honest is biggest issue. What's her mother? Okay? Her mother I think that back the biggest is yours two issues. All right was initially my daughter. Okay, and Second from mother, okay, but My daughter and Brittany are amazingly close right now, right? Gabby calls her B, they hang out. It's honestly, Gabby's on board 100%

and Ricky's mother's on board 100%. So it's now because she got to know you better and she's. Absolutely, absolutely. And it's funny, you know, because we go out with her mother and her mother sees a whole different perception. You see it, it's good to talk to you, because no matter where you go, especially down in Georgia, short, you're mobbed.

You're always mobbed and people come up and you know, always taking pictures and when they're always talking to you, they're always saying, oh my God, what a nice guy you are, a lot of a nice guy you are, what a nice guy you are. And when Brittany's mother finally opened their eyes and saw, not once the shever here is arguing on the phone, not once the shever here is getting off the phone and a fight, not, and when Brittany's mother finally opened their eyes and saw not once

the she ever hear his argument on the phone, not once the she ever hear his get off the phone and a fight, not once the she ever hear me, but the she ever see Brittany cry over me, not once the she ever see me yelling or screaming at Brittany. Not at all, but I was like, well, listen, we have an incredible, we have a good relationship. See, I love that. I like, listen, I'm not going to judge on age. I just know that there's got to be some things that that and it makes sense with the kids. What about little Frankie? How did he?

No, the little Frankie did. There was no issue there. He was fine with it. No, he there was no issue there. You know, the only thing, but it's sometimes like, I'm gonna honestly, when we talk about some old shows on TV, you know, I'm talking about, oh my God, you know, mutual volumma, watch out Sunday nights, which he doesn't know what you're talking about. She's like, wow, you know, stuff like that, you know, and sometimes I'm talking about, it's funny because she gets along incredibly well with my friends and I get along very well with her friends as well. We all go out, we all have fun, but there's times when we're all together and we talk about something and I look at her,

all right? Right. She's like, I had no idea what you're talking about. You know, it's what really good. Brittany saw this someplace. I don't know whether I'm Instagram or whatever. She uses it all the time. You know, when somebody says to what, don't you have an issue with Frank's past? All right. And she's like, listen, I was in kindergarten for Frank's past. So I can really give two shits, all right? Yes, Brittany. That's one way to come back. And then listen, Frank, you got to laugh at that. I mean, Oh, absolutely. I thought it was great. So her mother likes you now. Do you like you guys like each other?

Everybody's good. Yep. We did. Absolutely. 100%. What about the Laura? Is she always like Brittany from the beginning? I don't know if it's going to be, but Brittany's been around for so long. Maybe got it's been, but it's pretty has been around for so long. I'm not like, uh get to hang out, right? But that's changing. I mean, it's changing. It's changing. Right.

Okay, that's good. That's a good thing. I want to see everybody hang together. The whole fam everybody. Yeah, there is. And there's some good scenes in the season. Oh, yeah. This season is amazing to learn about all of that.

And just like the differences that are going on with you and Dolores both having someone else because we're also used to seeing you and Dolores kind of without someone else by your side. So now seeing someone else by your side, it's a whole different dynamic, you know. Listen, I'm pretty sentimental about it. You know, I became Dolores's house one day

and walked in, hey, it's going on Dolores. You know, it tells me, oh no, you listen listen you got a knock on the door bring the doorbell I said what I said what the fuck you talking about You just walk right in come on seriously So I get my feelings heard after that Frank I know please don't talk about it you make me cry you almost made me cry times this season I can't take And it's like you're one of those guys. Like everyone just loves you.

So it's like poor Dolores just trying to live her life over there, you know? But yeah, people will see a lot more of that. Going back to one other question I need to ask you because I feel like my listeners are going to want to know if you're 25 years apart, obviously, do you want more children, Frank? That was a big issue between us.

And now that was an issue where I believe it or not that we had broken up for some time, okay? Okay. And I said, I'd never wanna be that person that you regret later on, okay? We say listen, I wanna children, but of course you. So honestly, I did, I did let her go. All right, it was the hardest thing. And you had to let her go because she said I want children and you said she wasn't sure. She said she wasn't didn't know for sure. Okay, which I couldn't as much as it bothered me, it's

we both mutually at that point agreed. Move on and next thing you know, you know, I'm back together, we're back together. So, and, um, you know, and I don't, and I, right now, Brittany says, you know, that's fine. And I hope it doesn't change. I hope it doesn't, you know, if you ever stress about that though, like, what if that resurface is for her or what if she suddenly wants to have kids and she leaves me and now I you could just that has to cross your mind at some point.

I'm like, well, that's 100% 100% and we discussed it. I get a balance. We discussed it over and over again. And if it ever does come up, I would feel horrible. I feel horrible to be that reason. And I get a balance. We've discussed it over and over again. And if it ever does come up, I would feel horrible. I feel horrible to be that reason. And I get balance, I would walk away. I'd walk away. I would never I would never take that away from her. I don't care how long we're together. You know, so she kind of promising you that that's not going to happen. We don't even talk about it much. Right. We talked about it. It's a stressful. I'm stressed asking you if I have to be honest. So let me be right there. Because that's a stress, it's very stressful. And it's something that for you, you're your my friend, right? I've known you forever. I would I worry about you too. Because I'm like, I don't want to see you get into a situation where you've committed and then, and then, you know, she says that to you. And then what are you going to do at that point? You know, listen, we, we've, it's been, it's been an issue and a topic that's been discussed

in depth, okay? And obviously we came to a resolution to get to this point because I would even be at this point. If in fact, it wasn't resolved. So it may change in the future. You know, you never know what happens in the future. All I know is I got a girlfriend who at this point says she's okay with no kids. I got a daughter who said she's not having kids I said the only thing kids in my future appear to be my son. So What Gabby says she's not having kids. We're filming one time. We're filming and Shenzhen, you know, I don't want kids. See more kids since when I put that in my entire life. I don't want kids She might she might change her mind on that. You don't know

She's obsessed with her animals. She's so obsessed with her animals and everything else. Melissa, can I tell you something? Gabby just got that from South Africa. She goes on her own, would a group of doctors and they go out in the bush and they up in a helicopter and they shoot these rhinoceros with darts and then whether they're tranquilized, they land, they cut their tussle off. So the poachers won't go after them. And then they reverse the tranquilizer. And some of the times he's got water buffaloes, they got rhinoceros that are waking up and they got to run and they're running up trees to get away from them. And she loves it. She loves can't wait to go back. And the Lord is like, stop, you can't do this to us.

This is like conservation efforts, right? Like we're gonna conserve. Oh my God, yeah, absolutely. Wow, like that's pretty amazing. This one I mean, like my daughter doesn't know what college she wants to go to. And Gabby is saving animals in South Africa. Are you kidding me?

Unbelievable. All right, well, we're gonna do a really fun segment with you right now that I do with all of my guests It's called Guild with Gorga, okay, but first I have I have a very special friend of yours that wants to come over and say hi to you Joe Come here Frank Frank Frank's Thanks Joe's coming hold on here. Come Hey there. It's Perez Hilton you might know me from many ways, many things, but I am most proud of being the host of the PHP.

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the PHP with me, Perez Hilton, and Chris Booker every week with new episodes and juicy news every Monday, available on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. You want to come say hi, we're gonna pull Joe in for a minute. How you doing my wife? Why does he have no shirt on? No, no, he's just took a shower.

And he's like walking around like this. I'm not in the office today. I'm at home. You know, anybody else real surprised. But that doesn't surprise me at all. All right. Do you believe this guy just walking around with no shirt on? I got to show you the real gun. I'm used to it. I'm used to it, you know?

He probably listens. You know, I walk by, I walk by and I was here and if Brittany ever wanted a kid and you ever need help, your buddy, I'll help you. I'll give you some. All right. You got things. Now that would be my, that would be your child then.

You're not helping now. It's friends. I noticed guy 30 something years. I helped you out. Joe, I got to tell you two things, all right? I don't want to be the guy who takes away one of your three sperms. Okay. There's only three. One more is coming. And you know, let's come.

All right. Listen, all right. I want my child to be able to be able to be a big basketball. All right. All right. Listen, I don't want you to lose your 25-year-old girl. And I help you out. I don't want to. Just call me up. We'll have pregnant. Unbelievable. All right.

Well, Joe's going to chime in with us. And we're going to listen to your answers together for grilled with pork or Joe. Is there anything else you want to say to Frank while you're looking at? Well, I don't want to say something before we get off later on because I need to say something to clarify something with Joe. Oh, really? You can ask him right now. Go for it.

No, it's not with him. And Joe, me and Joe talked about this. And they said, I had an interview before, all right? And I need to clarify. I want to make something clear. Every podcast I go on, I never, ever, talked to the people beforehand. I never screen the questions, give me whatever you want.

And Melissa, you can voucher, in fact, we didn't even talk before this, OK? No, we did not. Absolutely not, we had not zero conversation before this because I just knew I was going to ask you whatever the hell I wanted to. Exactly. But you want to sum, I, you got twisted to the point, your husband never wants to ask me not to go to three pieces of money. Never. Okay. And I want to make that clear because you want to know something. And when I said, Joe, I got to go, I'm going to Teresa. I've been friends with Teresa. I'm friends with you. Joe never gave me an issue Whatsoever never said don't go or anything and I'm tired of getting a comments

And I don't respond or right because I don't want to start on Instagram But don't go again never once asked me not to go to Teresa's wedding, okay? And when I said I was going never gave me a difficult time whatsoever about it So I want to go to the wedding. Well, there you go. There's a clarification. And that's the truth. Obviously, we know that's the truth.

But you know, the stories have been crazy out there lately. And we would never. But. No, and you know, I have a lot of friends of mine who are calling me up and they're like, listen, you're not going to the wedding. I said, no, well, I'm not going to go. I said, no, no, no, no, I said, don't do that. I should go go respect, you know, and go have a good time and, you know, go to the wedding.

And, you know, and that's how it should be. That's why when that story came out about you, I was shocked. I mean, people just make up crazy things. Don't they? They twist, they twist everything. They twist the words is what they do. They twist the words, okay? Exactly that. When I said I said the joy wasn't going, don't ever ask they do. They twist the words. Okay. Exactly that.

When I said I said the joy wasn't going, show them, ask me not to go to wedding. All right. Absolutely not. And when I told you, you're going to be a show, it gave me a hard time. You know, did you have a good time? I guess I got to be honest with you. We did have a good time. You did it without me. You suck. Really? Can I tell you something? So just like the show, just like the show, and people know it. It mean you were not together. The guys are just not the same. Yeah, yeah, right.

You know that. It's two of us are not there. It's just not the same. Joe Bening will be the first to tell you. You know, when it's just you or just Joe, you know, it's not. It's not as fun. I'm always looking for you.

I'm always turning around. Look at Whiskbank. Whiskbank. That's because who else can you make a fool out of all the time? I'm a fucking one ofispank. That's because who else can you make up? Who else can you make a fool out of all the time? I'm the fucking one who's game for. That's right. Well, I got the two best house husbands in the room right now. I'm so excited on this.

There you go. This is pretty exciting. And I will vouch to say that the two of you together are hysterical and you like feed off each other great. You guys just have like a real honest. You have like a true friendship, which is a lot different from just meeting someone from this show. You guys have a real honest, you have like a true friendship, which is a lot different from just meeting someone from this show.

You guys have a real honest friendship. And it's right. And I say all the time, guys, you see as there is nothing scripted about us, there is nothing scripted. All right, believe me, Joe Morgan thinks up these fucking stupid things on his own, all right, without production whatsoever.

All right, all the time, absolutely. But you know what's great about us and I'm gonna just end it on this note that we are just the same people. We don't care. We don't offend each other. You have a big heart of gold. I do.

Where you're genuine. Have all the business we have done over the years, we've never had an argument ever, right? I mean, we've respected one another. So we are the same type of person. You know, a lot of people say you can't go into business with friends or family bullshit. Yes, you can. As long as you do the right thing, you can. Correct. You can always do, you know, jealousy.

You got to be careful, jealousy. That jealousy. I love to surround with people by self with people who are happy who are good because that makes you happy. Right? That's exactly right. So it right so it is what is oh my god It's a little awkward now. I'm feeling a little sorry Yeah, first game is Sunday Yeah, I'll be there. You guys going? Yeah. Hell yeah.

Can't wait. I'll be there. Be already all of the short vacation. Everything screwed down the shore. Once you have a child, the police will fall in high school. Everything's everything's over. Yes, for sure. So, all right, come on.

I'm here about this Melissa. Ryan, come on. OK, you ready? I don't know. All right. Grilled with Gorgah. Here we go. Who was? Because this is just to learn a little bit more about you, Frank, as if I don't know. Okay, grilled with Gorgah. Here we go. Who was? Because this is just to learn a little bit more about you, Frank, as if we don't know enough.

All right, who was your first celebrity crush? Oh, I know, I know. I know. Who's the guy? Let him answer. First celebrity crush. Ron Jeremy. Ron. The porn star guy, right, man. Victoria principal. Victoria principal. Who? Victoria principal. Okay. Oh my God. You don't even know who that is, Joe. I have no idea. I know. That's because believe me, Joe.

And obviously, she's like, this is where Brittany would not know what the hell you were talking about. Not at all. Not. I think she was what from dynasty or something like that. Wasn't she here or something? Dynasty. Right. Dallas. Dallas. Dallas think she was what from Dynasty or something like that. Wasn't she here? Something like that. Dynasty. Right? Dallas. Dallas. Dallas. She was on. Yes. There you go. My God.

You're right. Dallas. Oh my God. So funny. Okay. Your favorite 80 song. Um, I love AC DC. Hillsbills. Really? You're like a rocker. Yeah. I'm a rocker, but I'm also freestyle. I love country. I love everything. Guys.

I really do. Depending on you. Can you sing anything for me right now? Uh, let's see. What you want to keep your followers? You don't want to, you know? Okay. Can you Frank's singing as a sound bite? Desperate. Yeah, yeah, exactly. What's your biggest regret in life? Honestly, like your biggest regret that you think about sometimes? Number one, I had millions that I spend the whole. OK, all right? I'm a financial end. But my biggest regret in life is my situation with the law

or some what I, how I heard the laws. OK, I would hate ever to do that again. But it's hard to continue to regret it when look what happened. All right, we're great friends. And I got two beautiful kids Right well said well said about this. How about this? What was your best decision you made in life? Being become a friends with me, right?

Close close. Yep between that and get Rook now. I don't know which one's what Come on best decision. Oh best decision life I don't know which one is more important. Right? All right. Geez. What, come on, best decision. Oh, best decision in life. Oh, my God, the best decision in life. I'm a healthy out, bro. No, he doesn't eat your health. Quite honestly.

There was a point in time where I was just a little reckless and abandoned. Where I said, you're only going to have this opportunity once and I try to be a good father. All right. That's where I went from living a life of a wild man, which I need if my kids didn't come along, I'd probably be dead by now.

All right. Where, but honestly, it's more important to be a father than enjoying yourself. Oh, well, that is definitely, that's a good man right there. That is the best decision you've ever made then. Absolutely. To be a dad, to be a father. To act like one.

Right? It's easy to be one to act like one. Right. Oh my God. In fact, that probably is resonating with a lot of men right now that are like awesome. And I thank Dolores. I thank Dolores because it didn't have to be this way.

And Dolores, despite our divorce, we were always a family. We were never not a family. Right. And as Dolores will say many times She divorced me in order to keep our family together See that's amazing because there's a you both had like a dual love of family. That's that's why that work What is your biggest pet peeve? What drives you crazy? He's got no nuts Used to that the bottom you know

He's got no nuts. No, I'm used to that. That's a bottom uniform, you know. So I was going down in a searcher form, but they're not there. Shed and rep me. No, what do you have to be about people? About people. Or anything. You're pet peeve. When he chewed it open now, when you're out on a.

Oh, I yell at Joe for that all the time. Oh my god. As shit. Show you mouth. Show you mouth. No, I do not. I yell at Joe for that all the time. Oh, my God. And shit. Show you mouth. Show you mouth. No, I do not. I yell at you for that. You don't. He didn't do that.

He didn't do that when I first met him. He started doing that now. That's it. That's his channel. Do you remember? So what you you've been single, you were single for a long time. Tell me about your worst date. Do you have anything that stands out?

That was your worst date you've ever been on. It was horrible. Oh, my anything that stands out that was your worst date you've ever been on? It was horrible. Oh my God. I thought I was cool. Alright, I thought it was real cool. I make it first date. Just won't grow. I picked up a Ferrari roof is down. Your name, alright? This

girl got so drunk, alright? And so sloppy and so loud. And when a nice restaurant, I could not wait to get out of here. And we didn't have Uber back then. I'm outside. I had to take her home. Oh my God, it was horrible.

And she asked me to come inside. Like, you got a fucking chance. All right. Can you go inside? No. I didn't puke all over you. Anyway, what's your strategy, probably? Oh my God.

It's looking I stopped and slowed down. And when I first tried to park, all right? It's really at that point. Oh Jesus, okay. All right. I've had pretty good days all over, you know? Cause I talk, I love to talk. I never shut up.

They could sit there and say nothing. Like I'm you, I just keep talking to myself. You know? I'm believeable. All right, what was your first concert? Do you remember your first concert? You remember? Bruce Springsteen, yeah, Bruce Springsteen.

Yes. All right. Okay, Newen. Yeah, Bruce Springsteen. Yes. All right. Okay, New Jersey. Yeah, absolutely. Tell me something about you that would surprise us that we don't know. There's something. Yes, I cry very easily. Not from pain. I cry, I cry. I see an animal that's not getting adopted. I'll cry. The Laura space is fine. I can't watch extreme house makeover. Because every time they move the bus, they move the bus, are you fucking serious? You're crying again. All right. That's it. You know, you know, you know why he cries, right? Because he keeps on thinking he looks like, I'm shit, man, I still got no nuts. I'm actually saying something

sweet that a mental Frank that's funny. Apple martinis and crying over the whole makeover. I'm like, I'm telling you, I am, I am the most, I'm not, you're gonna hurt my feelings. I don't care, I don't care about me, I care about other people, you know, I care about other people. I drive, I'm driving and you ever see like a funeral and you see everybody standing around a grave at the end when a person in a ground, I don't even know what the fuck they are. Like, oh, I started crying in the car. There you go.

Oh my God, that's actually his third. I love that, though, he's what they are. What he does is he thinks about, you know, how am I going to keep this 25 year old girl at 25 years apart from me? And he goes, how am I going to have sex with her? He starts crying. He thinks, oh, I passed through a funeral.

Oh shit, he was fucking thinking about that. And he was crying. Hey, man, let me tell you, bro. I'm not going to get a reaction tonight. I can't do it. I can't have any blue pills, so I got a pop. Oh my god, I just popped out of him. I'm not going to want it.

Remember something, bro. Wait. I've always been, Joe, always. You all right? I've always been a big proponent, a better life by chemistry, all right? All right? I know you 35 years, I'm going to see you cry.

All right. Now you get older, you cry. All right. Now you know, do you start a cry now? Look at it. I got the answer. I almost cried that one night when we had guys like this year. Oh. Yeah. When you told me about guys night, I almost started crying. Oh, that was bad.

That was bad. Oh, wait until people see that one this year. Oh, that was rough. That was rough. Yeah. Tell me your favorite late night snack. Oreos and milk. I love Oreos and milk.

They have to be at the thin ones, so they soak up all the milk. Absolutely the love. Love them. Can you break them apart or just don't go? All right, no, I leave them in there for just a little while for a get, you know? And then what happens is, yeah, I'm ever so,

I'm living with David. David comes downstairs, what are you doing? I'm like, oh, because I'm cheating on my diet. Like, David, someone was here. Someone was here. I said, look, they took the fucking Oreos. I scared them away. So I got to eat them. All right. So we have, we have a good time. We have a good time. All right. Listen, I never knew this. What was your first job? My first job. I worked for that. Wait, wait, wait, wait, besides a blowjob. What was the first one? Look at that. A comedian, all right?

You got a comedian in the house. Caroline's over. I talked about that before we hang up with the two of you. Caroline. Caroline, that's I'm going to put you on stage for your go for your right. Special guest Frank Kitan. Yes, right. That's right.

Oh my God. What was your first job? What was it? My first job was I worked for a vet area in high school. Oh, we'll see this is where Gabby gets it from. Yeah, absolutely. And I went to school. When I was in my dad did everything he could.

He got me into Cornell, which was the best veterinary school in the country. I lasted one year there and left. I hated it. So, so I say it all the time, my daughter finished what I could have finished. What do you binge watching right now on TV? Oh man, listen, I love, uh, uh, uh, what's it called?

Animal Kingdom. With Ellen Barkin. Oh, I heard that's really good. Oh my god, it's at the end now. I just don't wear episodes. I got carried away with it. And then obviously in November at Yellowstone, a huge yellow stand because my daughter,

my daughter's dying now. She's trying to buy pieces of property, continuous to one another, little by little, out in Montana, because that's where she wants to go to Montana. Oh wow, nice. Okay, and I always end with like, how do you treat yourself? If the day was all about Frank Catania, what do you do for you that day? Uh, listen, nothing really.

I got to be honest, listen, nothing really. No, nothing special. I always got to be doing, if I'm not doing something, if I'm not working and I'm not doing something for somebody else, you know, you might as I take that back this year more than ever riding my motorcycle ride in my motorcycle. I ride my motorcycle. I ride my motorcycle. I think of Harley. Harley is a full dressed Harley. Um and Brittany Brittany loves the ride. I mean a lot of times I go by myself. I'll be gone for three four hours. Find myself. Just ride in. The ride the ride with the train of wheels on or off. Yeah bro. Let me tell you I look bad. I look bad. I

don't want to give it away. But there's one scene this year. Okay. And this is there. Whoa, man. You're gonna say, wow. I didn't feel like that guy's bad. I didn't know. I didn't know. I was in the sun. I was like, was it seen with the bugs bunny ears and. I can. Bro, did you hear that what say? Did you hear that Eastern out? Is the favorite holiday in the United States?

It passed up Christmas after that calendar. Oh, yeah. Oh, that calendar is something else. Guys, they're referring to this calendar. We did a real Housewives of New Jersey calendar where everyone kind of got to be sexy, sexy Joe. What months are you? You are July.

July, your July and your October because you were like, you were like a sexy and Frank Attania's April and he is Easter. He's the bunny. Little bunny. It looks like a little bun. It's his hysterical. You know the coverage. That's the cover of that calendar. All right. How many DMs I've gotten? Why are you not in the color? Why are you not? I said this I was sick. I said, but I am there. Right? Nobody knows. Then they noticed that I'm on the phone at Joe's pants. Yes. That was so bad that you happen to be sick at that time. I was so upset. Like that sucked. Oh, my list. That sucked. That was a rough. Oh my God. On my birthday. I know. I was nervous about you. That was scary.

We'll do another calendar. All right. Well, listen, everyone. If you love hearing Joe and Frank together, you can come out to Caroline's on October 13th. They are going to be there together at Caroline's comedy club, which they are so fun together. Frank is our special guest that night. Joe's doing full blown comedy. And if you're out there for Bravo Con, it's the night before Bravo Con starts. So it is just gonna be a room full of Bravo fans for you too.

It's gonna be such a great night. So tickets are selling out. Make sure you guys all head over to grab your tickets. Check Joe's Instagram. If you guys don't know where the tickets are, Frank, thank you for being on display with me today. You are one of my favorite guests. I will tell you that right now. I know it's just because I'm comfortable with you or if I love you today. You are one of my favorite guests. I will tell you that right now.

I know it's just because I'm comfortable with you or if I love you, you're definitely one of my favorite. Thank you. She said that about me yesterday. I did not. I did not. I want you to continue to be a gentle giant that we all love so much.

Thank you for having me. Thank you for having me. And I know Joe was jealous for you to ask in prior to this, but that's a ramp. I'm glad you got it. OK. One guy, I'm not jealous of you to ask him prior to this, but that's a ramp. Okay. One guy. I'm not jealous of you. I could put you in the room.

My wife naked. You're naked. I know you'll respect me or respect her. You're the man. Yeah. Joe, you want to and that's that close. Let me, can I, let me tell you something. That's something that guys these days have a problem with.

And that's what I like about you, Joe. That's right. That's right. You're right. Exactly right. 100 minutes. They're fuel for between. Okay. And Joe. The name is so good. Men. Joe, an angle might be like that too, because you can't get hard. That's where you can't get hard. That's why.

It could forget. He's right. Exactly. They'll try. They'll try, but it won't work. So you guys are so funny. All right. Well, everyone will see you guys October 13th. Frank. Thank you so much. And we will see you very soon. Thanks guys. I'll see you later. See you guys are so funny. All right, well, everyone will see you guys October 13th. Frank, thank you so much. And we will see you very soon. Thanks guys. I'll see you later. See you later.

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