On Display with Melissa Gorga - I'm Lovin' It (w/ Heather McDonald)

Episode Date: August 25, 2022

Melissa invites comedian, writer, podcast host, and all around wearer of many hats, Heather McDonald, onto the show to talk about thirst traps, Bravo's mistakes with castings, and why a certain former housewife may have some beef with Heather.  Heather also gives us an incredible impersonation of one of the OGs of RHONY, and all we can say is, "WOW!" This week's sponsor:  Apostrophe - Customized Acne Treatment: apostrophe.com/melissa, promo code: Melissa ($15 off first visit)

Turn this world around in every nation. Here's to the good times, oh yeah. Forget about the bad times. Oh yeah. Okay, everyone, I am very excited for my next guest. She honestly does it all. She's a comedian. She's a podcast host of the Juicy Scoop.

She's an actress. And she's in New York Times best selling author. Ladies and gentlemen, Heather McDonald is here with me today. Hi, Melissa. Hi. I'm so excited to talk to you. You too. Ladies and gentlemen, Heather McDonald is here with me today. Hi, Melissa. Hi, I'm so excited to talk to you. You too. I follow you on Instagram, and so I get to see little snippets of your show and hot topics

that you talk about. I feel like you can be honestly the next Wendy Williams. You're very, I like what you have to say. I honestly do listen to you, and I miss Wendy because I really love her and she was like one of my favorites and I feel like you can do that. Um actually that's kind of when I was putting my podcast together, which has been over seven years. I thought about, you know, how she did her show and how she does hot topics alone. And I always thought that was really cool. how she does hot topics alone. And I always thought that was really cool. And so I do a lot of shows completely by myself where I just go through the topics that I talk about it.

And I think my years of stand up and writing makes it that I'm one of the few people that can like do it, whether I have a guest or not. So I mean, I appreciate you saying that. Yeah, I feel terrible about what happened with Wendy, you know, I just is really unfortunate, but I see the other side of the production company and the staff and that she just like I just read this long article on it and she just, you know, wasn't able to come back and and be the way she was. I think she's battling a few things,

but it was unfortunate because she really did accomplish so much as a single host in daytime that so few people have been able to do. So I just wish her the best. And hopefully, you know, we'll get to enjoy her again. In the meantime, I'm happy for Sherry, though. I think she was definitely the best choice. Oh, 100% and when I watched the documentary on her I fell in love with her even more like just to see all of her struggles like through her marriage and what she used to cover up in like oh my god it's rough I always left her though I feel like she's great but anyway so we're over here talking

about Wendy we're talking about Heather today so talk to me a little bit about so for your podcast, what do you do exactly? Do you just bring on like some random people to like talk to you, to like bump off the topics or like, how does it usually go for your podcast? Well, I mean, I, I called it juicy scoop when I created it because I was like, you know, I just want it to be whatever I feel is really juicy. Though I'm a comedian in the comedy, you know what, I just want it to be whatever I feel is really juicy. Though I'm a comedian in the comedy, you know, genre of podcasting,

I also am like, if something's really intriguing me, you know, like a girl who went missing or like a crazy murder, once in a while, I will do stuff that isn't necessarily funny, but I just really like just basically talking about whatever's going on in the news, hot topic, pop culture wise, relationship wise, and then I'll just kind of go deeper whether it's by myself, I'll go deeper into like how it relates to me or why I think so

many people come to this story because everybody's had a sister in law who's gotten married or whatever the case might be that we're talking about that week. So I think, yes, and then I have a handful of regular other comedians that I had worked with in the past that I brought on my show that now are like regulars and come on the show at least once or twice a month. And so those shows are just, those are like honestly a little bit easier just because I'm not carrying the whole thing myself. But and then once I don't all have like, you know, guests that that are here to

tell their story, like I just had Holly in Bridget from, from, you know, girls next door. And and it would one of the best compliments I got, which I got a lot of compliments and press off of that one, is they said, someone said, you know, I saw that they were your guests, and they've been on so many shows, and I've heard from Holly so many times,

I'm like, I'm not gonna learn anything new. Right. And sure enough, Heather brought out all the juice that we've never heard before, and that's where I'm always, that's where I feel like, honestly, I kinda shine, I just think I've done this a long time, and I get like right, you know, right to the stuff that because I'll go and

I'll see what other interviews they've done and I've been like, okay, that was good But these are still my 17 questions or whatever in my head, right? And then I'll I'll create an interview That is different so that they benefit and then also the listeners are hearing something new Yeah, well, you know what? I think that comes along with actually making people feel comfortable enough to speak and like maybe tell you something different that they haven't told someone else. I feel like that's the gift of like gab. So I watch your little clips that you put on Instagram and I am so interested in talking to you about shadow banding because I know you're dealing with this and you were saying, no, because is this real? Because I feel like my envy accounts. No, this is real.

No, I kind of think it happens to be, but the, okay, this is what happened. Wait, for listeners, guys who don't know, shadow banding is like, so if you're on Instagram, you'll suddenly feel like you're not getting a lot of likes. Or there's not a lot of people viewing your stories. And just everything feels like it's on like a halt. And people say that Instagram shadow bands, which means they kind of like don't show your stuff to everyone. Right, Heather? Is that what you would say? I mean, I think there's different levels of it. I don't know. This is what I know about doing everything I do.

I do it consecutively, and some things get, I mean, I have a 9 million point one TikTok, and I have a 2.5 TikTok million. And I've got ones that I put on the exact same time that I think are great, that they exact same quality and everything. And for some reason, it only got 30,000 views. And I'm like, I can't figure it out. No 25-year-old social media expert can figure it out. That's life.

So I saw that Bethany Frankel was bitching about the Kardashian saying that she thinks they have shadow-banned her videos because she does all these reviews of makeup and skin care lines is her new thing. Yes, it's on it. And she went through the Kim Kardashian one and it got some press because it's Kim Kardashian's. It's not pickily wickly from the Walmart or whatever.

So it got some press and then she was convinced that her videos weren't getting as much views and that and she went after them and she said how awful they are and they're drug dealers and they why does the media keep feeding them to us. So I was like this is ridiculous like you know you don't have to report on them. I don't have to report on them. Page six doesn't have to but if page does, page six does, you don't have to write about the page six article like you don has to see or talk about them. You know, right. And so, but I also was like, come on, you really think like Chris Jenner went and like called whoever's in charge of TikTok and was like, don't show Bethany Frankles thing. So I'm like, whoa, you know, I've talked about Bethany Frankle and I've had a video that didn't get as many views. Maybe Bethany Frankles, you know, Shadow Manning Me.

And I did it and it was one of those jokes. I only probably had one other and it was when I was in college that kind of like literally kind of bomb like nobody really got that I was joking like only like 10% of my followers got that I was making fun of the fact that she thinks she's being Shadow Man so that I was like, I think I'm being shadowbound by the power of Bethany Frankl because I've talked about Bethany Frankl in my show. And then I'm like, should I explain this?

And I just like let it sit all weekend. And then like last night I was like, to anybody that got that I was joking, like no, I don't think Bethany Frankl did that to me. However, she did ban me from TikTok this week. No, she did not. Not ban me. She blocked me, blocked me. She, oh, you're blocked. Okay, well that's, she did not. Not bad. She blocked me. She blocked me. She, oh,

you're blocked. Okay, well that's how I can do. I can't watch the TikToks anymore. You know, but no, she's, of course, she's not doing anything to me. And I don't think that Kardashians are doing anything to her. And that was just me kind of my way of being like, can we all just stop? Like, I'm just kind of sick of like people being so dramatic about like I'm getting death threats and done it. I get it like we've all been there and you get some haters. I had a bunch of Selena Gomez robots after me one time. It is kind of scary to see those little snake emojis and stuff. But do I think that like I need to call the LAPD for surveillance? No I don't. Like just stop it. Like just you can put away your phone you cannot cannot answer. You can like, but I mean, I just think everyone is just so dramatic and she's just so dramatic. And she knows by doing what she's doing. She's getting more press by going after them that if she went after somebody that doesn't have, you know, a hundred billion followers. So listen, I think since she's jumped off that show, she's found multiple

ways to stay like, yes, to stay active, to stay relevant, whatever you want to call it, because she like, I was like, oh, I didn't know she reviewed beauty products. I had no idea. And then all of a sudden, I was seeing her everywhere doing that. I guess it's all about she's the queen of like reinventinging herself and putting new content out there. And she had her own beauty line. Right. She had a beauty line nine years ago that someone I'd tick-tuck discovered

and then that girl did a tick-tuck about it and then she blocked her. Like, the story changes all the time. But whatever, it's good. I believe that she's one of those people. I think she's really smart, really funny, totally fascinating to watch. But I think there's always an intention behind it. Like, are you ever, are you ever just starting to watch somebody that did something before and then all of a sudden they're like doing cooking recipes? And you're like, okay, let me just check.

Oh, they already got a cook deal. Okay, they got a cooking, a cooking book deal.'re like, okay, let me just check. Oh, they already got a cooking book deal. Okay, they got a cooking book deal. Yeah, I figured, like, why else would you be doing it? Why else are you baking for me on Instagram? Right. Yeah, like there's always like, so I'm like, there's something in the work. There's something.

Yeah, there's always a reason behind everything and the reasons why are always there. Yeah, and if the reasons are why for her to start her own line of makeup and products, I mean, it would make sense if she said, okay, you guys, you've seen me test everything from the expensive to the inexpensive, but I told you it was good. I took all of that knowledge I got with the team.

And now here is a beauty by B and it's you know makeup and skin care and it's only two steps and it packs nicely and it stacks and all this marketing right about. That's what it is. So it's coming. It's coming and I'm a celebrity predictor and like that's 100% coming and it might be a great products in the end. It really might like blow everyone else's away. It could. It very well could. And guess what? That was some great lead up to the big shebang. But anyway, enough about Beth and you Frank, go, good for her that we're all just like discussing. Do you ever feel overwhelmed by the amount of choices that are out there? Whether you're shopping for cereal or toilet paper, there are so many options. When it comes to finding skincare products

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What do you think? Obviously, you know, I can't say too much about what happened on the actual episode. But what were your thoughts on my theory? Here is my theory of everything that happened to you. OK. Based on everything that I've seen, watching the show, reading the show, and also just being

like a female whose bed and weddings, shows, and not to attend weddings, have friendships that have ended all of it. Okay, so I think that there is a girl that was in your group trying to be on the show that felt like, oh, I've got this little nugget of gossip that I'm going to dangle.

And that gossip got to, um, got to Teresa. And you guys had a discussion about how it's bullshit. And Teresa's like, I got your back. We, we won't make it part of the season. You get through the whole season and unbeknownst to you, there's still maybe some gossip going on about it. And then this other girl that's actually cast in the show, I think then felt nudged by producers or other castmates to now bring up this element of this supposed kiss that happened between you and not your husband. And it came up while you're filming in the finale the third day. And in it coming out with cameras

and everything you were like what the fuck like I thought we had an alliance how is this even being said even though it didn't come from Teresa and then I think Teresa was like but I didn't say it but it was like this is your whole theory this is right there but I'm not gonna say but you didn't stop it but you were like but you didn't stop it and you were so hurt because you felt you were like on a great, uh, maybe you had a great season. Maybe you felt really tied. Maybe you felt like you guys each had support each other. You maybe each have kept things private for each other as two couples going forward. And at that point, it was just like, you know what? I'm so hurt, I'm so not in the right mind that there's no way that we can go to this thing and not feel phony or possibly,

not, you know, in any way be accused of like not make, like if her date hasn't go perfect and you guys went, then it'd be your fault. So I just felt like you couldn't win. Like you couldn't win if you went, and you couldn't win if you didn't go. And sometimes I do think in situations like that, even though it's a wedding and it's a big day,

I do think sometimes it is the more mature thing to do to not attend. Same thing with a funeral, same thing with a funeral. Like if there's so much family drama and something and you feel like not safe or- Yeah, you know when's so much family drama and something and you feel like not safe or you know when you have that family drama. Yeah. And people don't talk. They don't see each other. But it's like, Oh, now I die. Now they want to come see me, right? Like that's like a thing for the Italians. Say that. Like tell them not to come to my funeral.

I haven't seen them in 20 years. I don't want to just see me when I'm dead. That's how I tell you. Right. Or you go to attend the or you want to just see me when I'm dead. That's how it's happened. Right, or you go to attend the funeral, and you know that whoever is your enemy within the family or doesn't sink high-live you, you're like, how many people did they poison before I got there that now think of me in a, like, I'd rather just mourn on my own. And then, but then, in turn, they're like,

can you believe she didn't attend the funeral. Oh damn if you don't. I was warning and how could I go and have so I had so much anxiety about attending and so it's like I mean I've had it I mean I have I have stayed home. I have told like a bride a really good friend of mine. We just weren't in a good place and I was like a bride, a really good friend of mine, we just weren't in a good place and I was like, I, you, you have plenty of bridesmaids, which Theresa did too. You've plenty of bridesmaids, you have plenty of people there, like I'm going to wish you well from afar. And our friendship, what, this was, you know, 20, 30, 25 years ago and our friendship totally

survived. She came to my wedding a few years later and then many years later she got divorced and we're still really good friends today. Right. But I kind of chose like for me as at what I was at 25 or whatever, I kind of was like, wow, I'm just so have so much anxiety about attending. And and it was why even go then. Yeah. And also for me at that age, it was really expensive. And and it took like a 40 yearold friend of mine to give me that advice. At 25, I was like, everyone's going to think I'm a horrible friend.

Everyone's going to, but everyone's also going to be mean to me when I get to this thing. And it's like, so I think, you know, like I said, I think, I think you did, I think, I mean, I think you did the right thing. And I also think you did the right thing in when she did ask you in the final hour to be in it. I think at that point too, it's like, no, we're good. Like, I don't need to be a bride's maid at this point in my life. Like, I also said, if I was Teresa's

like, inter close to Teresa, or even if she asked me, if I was like, let's say I was a housewife and she asked me to be in it. I'd be like you know what Teresa your daughters are all so gorgeous. They've never been bridesmaids before. They should be the only bridesmaid. Right. Have someone read, have someone do sing a song, but like only have your four daughters as your bridesmaids. Then you're not, then you're not hurting anyone's feelings. And, and that's the way it should be. They should have, they should have stood out as the only girls.

That's my personal opinion. Honestly, that's my, I thought that's how it was going to go from the very beginning as well. I was completely in shock when I heard there was some other, like, a bunch of different, like, random people that we're going to be there, especially when when then Dolores was asked later when Dina dropped out. And then I was like, now you're asking Dolores and she's accepting like for me, that was like, I didn't get that whole thing either. There was a lot of extra things going on towards the end that just seemed like

it was like, you know, well, now I want this. And now I'm going to do you do you and it just for me it just didn't make sense if I'm being completely honest and obviously I can't say a lot. I will tell you with your little theory you're not 100% right so you will okay. Yes good that I have something to look for. Yeah. What I want you to say. It's exciting for you. You need to watch it now. I don't want to always be right. Yes. I like the prize. I'm gonna be very I think you're gonna be surprised. My life is wrong. Okay. I like surprises. I'm going to be surprised. I think you're going to be surprised. My first one was wrong. OK.

It's not a bad theory, though, what you have. There's pieces, you know. But you're right about. But I do think you'll be surprised on the main thing. No one has actually picked up on yet, which I think is hysterical. And that's obviously something I can't say. Right. But I think people will get it.

They'll get my decision. They'll get Joe's decision. OK, well, I have another question. And I guess you can't say anything. But I would like to bring up another thing. Is the whole Dina thing. So then Dina says, I'm not going to go. This is what I've read.

Right. Dina says, I'm not going to attend because I don't want to be filmed. Which, to me, may no sense is what I've read. Right. Tina says, I'm not going to attend because I don't want to be filmed, which to me may no sense, because I've been a guest at filmed weddings. And now you simply don't have to sign if you don't want to film and you will not be on the show. Exactly. And you don't allow them to put a mic on you. And you know what, you don't have to have conversations with people either. You know, if you can, but if you didn't sign, they will not show you. So it does not matter.

So obviously, that does not make sense to me or to anyone. So I think she just honestly was having anxiety about going, which I can see why, you know, with everything she's been through, with the ex has been being arrested and certain people she knowing, like her sister and and Dolores like supposedly writing letters on his behalf like his attorney asked them to and they did and that's just weird. But then when I thought was weird is then after she didn't go, did she like did but did she then did those posts?

Like did she then wake up the next day? Like you know or and see everything and kind and it It like hurts you like fuck did I do the right thing like sometimes it's like I don't know because the I wonder if she somewhat regretted it because then she was writing those like cryptic posts about like new chapters and things ending And I'm like wait, I thought you guys are good and you you just didn't want to, like, I wonder if like, she was almost having a little turmoil about like regretting not, regretting not going on. No, I honestly, I can't confirm any of it, but they were literally traveling Europe, right, together, and posting pictures together as couples. And then it was like zero posting for the wedding.

I don't know, I know that. And then when I saw that now Dolores was in also, I was like, hmm, because we all know that Dina was very uncomfortable with whatever letter that went on. And that stems from like so much like long ago, way before this letter. So something seems off. I'm not here. from like so much like long ago, way before this. Yeah.

So something seems off. I'm not here. I don't know, maybe one day when somebody wants to explain it, they will. If not, who knows. But yeah, I thought it was definitely odd that she didn't come because they've spent so much time together in the last months. They've been posting each other all over the place, all over vacations,

and whatever. So I mean, there's a lot of people who are swirling that the two, you know, the guys had some business fall out and all of that. So, I mean, I don't know. It's one of that. Now, that's always hard. That happens. That happens. You know, you think the guys are all best friends.

I've had situations where I'm like back into the day where I was friends with someone and they the girl the wife was like, Oh, I think our guys are going to do some business together. And I was like, please, let's not. Mike, that's never let's like not like what is the idea? Let's not like it all sounds good. Like on your third like glass of whiskey over a fancy cube, but like let's not.. And so maybe something of some level happen, and that always puts the women in such a weird position. So, I mean, David and friends a long time,

so hopefully this will be something where it's like, okay, it was just a day, and it was, you know, a long day. And I saw Dina at Teresa's engagement party, and I love her. I was good to catch up with her. She's sweet, so, you know, she doesn't like the spotlight. I can tell you that.

She's not one who likes the spotlight or wants to be in a lot of pictures. Or she's definitely shy when it comes to that. And I don't know if that's gotten worse as she's gotten older. Because obviously, she wanted to do reality television at one point. But I know that she's definitely a little bit more reserved now, and she's not into it anymore.

So who knows? Yeah, I mean, I interviewed her a really long time ago. And I was probably like, you know, one of the only interviews that she did. And it was very eye-opening. And like, I mean, the stuff she said was pretty fascinating because we didn't really know all the secrets that we know now. So she kind of broke that open between like her and Danielle

and the reunion and Caroline and and that was all like really fascinating too about like their family and everything. So that yeah it was it was great. Hey everyone this is Heather DeBrow and do I have some exciting news for you. We are launching a variety of new episodes that are going to have amazing special guests, some of my close friends and so much more. It's going to be really fun and we're going to get to hear from fans, new friends and get an inside look of my world. We're really excited for you to listen and join in for Heather Dubrow's World on Podcast

1. We're really excited for you to listen and join in for Heavy Duro's World on Podcast Fun. Episodes drop on Thursdays and Fridays, tune in on Spotify, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. But wait, I have a question for you because with the fact that you guys now you have a podcast and everything, do is that, is that a problem do you think like with so many housewives having podcasts? Do you think that bravo because bravo is always for me. They're very like sure you can't interview them while they're filming or we have to listen in or we need to listen to it before and I'm like well how

do they are are you at a level where they can't control the fact that you have this outside business or do they try to do that? You know, it's a very interesting question and it makes a lot of sense because and the truth is like it's it's you know we have to save a lot of what we say for the actual show opposed to like if we have this platform, if I'm sitting here telling you everything that just happened, obviously that's a problem. And I feel like some housewives are better at understanding that than others and they know which housewives will probably let them down and which ones will not. So it's tricky because they have to

give in the bravo world, if they give permission to one, it's very hard not to give permission to all. You know, so it is tricky. There are a lot of restrictions. I cannot interview a Bravo celebrity, a Bravo celebrity without permission from Bravo. So if you notice, I have an interviewed one person that's on my actual show yet. Because yes, so yes, they're extremely strict about it. They know which one of their girls are probably going to follow the rules and which ones are probably not.

But with that said, if they've let so many have podcasts, they can't take that away. So I think they just go and Bravo doesn't play. So like if you say or do something that you can't do, we do get the email from the very higher ups. The attorneys, everyone, we get like, say you mentioned this and that's gonna be, you know, a problem. So we do, we do, you know, we get slapped on the wrist here and there.

But yeah, I think it's one of those things where Bravo probably wishes we all wouldn't do podcasts. Let's be real, right? I mean, because it's just we're giving away a lot of information, we're talking, but I really try to center my podcast on who I'm speaking with, right? So I'm not here to just talk about the Real Housewives of New Jersey all day. Obviously, there's a big situation that just happens. So I like to get, especially someone like you who is so into it and knows everything and you're just in the know in the housewives world. But with other

guests or like when Joe and I are on because everyone loves when I have my sisters on or when Joe's on the show with me, people love to just hear our everyday life, just like what we did today, how we handled a situation with the kids or our relationship or sex. They love when Joe gives advice on, you know, sex, so a lot of my podcasts, we do talk about stuff like that.

And I think that's where I try to keep it. No, I know that most, and most of the girls that have their own podcasts have formed it to be something other than the next house wide. Yeah, so and which is smart and I think it's it's good. I was just wondering if like, you know, what the deal was, but I mean, you're very good at predicting things. What do you have any new predictions for for like the housewives?

Like are you predicting anything about the New York girls with this new show? Everybody's talking about like, wait, do you want any new predictions for like the housewives? Like are you predicting anything about the New York girls with this new show everybody's talking about? Like, great, do you wanna hear something funny? I was in Montauk this weekend. It was my anniversary in Joe's birthday. Yes, I saw the photos very cute. Yes, thank you. Every year we do something because we got married

like on his 30th birthday, so we always try to do something. I'm just sitting there in Ramona comes walking up. She's there in the Hamptons and she has her little lace up like our boobs were popping. I have to say they looked really good. She had her little short shorts on. She had a hat on. She's walking around with her little toe and I'm just like, she lives.

This woman lives. I didn't know she was going to be there and she's like, you know, she was talking about how she thinks she's done with reality television. She no longer wants to do it. She was telling us she's just like, Okay, let me do my Ramona. Oh my God, please, Heather, please. Okay, okay. Oh my God, listen, first of all, I didn't know that was you or not,

but like that I saw this body, I'm like, God, this body! Oh my God, listen, you know what? I don't even know, I don't even know if you're a photo, I wanted to show anymore. I'm so happy, you know, traveling. I'm doing this whole real estate thing, and people are just know that I really have a knowledge for homes. And I'm like, you know what? I don't even know if I want to deal with this bullshit anymore. I mean, I'm not never saying never, but you know what? Honestly, I don't know. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Oh my god, that was fucking so spot on. That was amazing. No, no, that's literally how she talks. I know it because the thing is, like, listen,

I do impressions, a lot of people do impressions, and a lot of people do impressions better than I do, like boys, but there's certain people, like a Ramona, that I don't only do their voice, but I know how their brain works. So I can literally put myself in any situation and like improv. And yeah, I know what she's gonna say.

And that's why I'm scared to think that she won't come back because I have so much fun. I think she's just so fun. I filmed the girl's trip with her. We needed her. Like, I'm telling you, we needed her. Like, she was always came out of left field and said something so crazy or so ridiculous or so rude

that we were like, wow, like Ramona brings content. She does because she's just, but you know what I love about Ramona that comes and this is popping in my head, is that, you know, as we watch the show for a long, you know, years and years and years, sometimes someone that you loved in season one or two, now at season six, something that we all loved in season one or two, they're almost doing

like a caricature of themselves. Right. You know, they're almost like putting it on or adding something. Oh, this is my character, this is my role, so I'm gonna keep with it. I'm gonna keep doing it, I'm going to keep doing. I'm going to do these goofy things or wear these costumes,

whatever. And it's like Ramona, seriously. And if you want to, what I always get jealous of is one like a younger, newer, lesser of juicy scoop. It's like, OK, I just started watching, you know, Real House of New Jersey from the beginning. And like, all the comments are like, I'm so jealous. Like, you're going to have so much fun of New Jersey from the beginning. And like all the comments are like, I'm so jealous. Like, you're gonna have so much fun, like,

starting from the beginning. But if you watch New York from the beginning, Ramona is, stick your foot in her mouth, saying these things, she actually, she doesn't put anything on, she doesn't like go, okay, I better get really wasted tonight so that I have a good, so I at least make a scene. Like she doesn't. No, she doesn't. This is how her brain works. get really wasted tonight so that I have a good so I at least make a scene like she

does it. No, she does. This is how her brain works. And it's like like it or not, you know, she's doing the one thing that we ask of these women, which is just be fucking real. It's a reality show. Be real. Right. Don't produce. Do what you or say all day long. Yeah. Yeah. Don't produce your thing. Don't call each other on the phone, the night before, and plan on who, you know, like, and we know that sometimes happens. And I think the audience is becoming so sophisticated that we can see through it.

Oh my gosh. It's crazy. And we're not enjoying it. Like, they're not enjoying it. They're like, what the fuck is this? You know? And so that's what I like her. And it's like, she has a woman of certain

means a different generation and you like accept it and see but I do love the idea of having two casts I think that is so smart and I think it's something that all the you know all the cities could follow and keep keep the girls that want to keep doing it into their 50s and 60s and let's continue to watch their lives, but then have a show featuring girls that are like, you know, in their early 30s or something and see a whole different thing. They're kind of doing it also with this girlfriend's in Paris. I think that might, I think they're trying that out. Seeing like we do different girlfriends where the girls aren't married yet

and they're just friends and they're like in their early 30s or like 20s. So, but I'm hearing different things. I'm hearing like the girls from New York, the younger cast, some are having like cold feet and stuff as they should. But. Well, yes.

I mean, I think it's genius to go ahead and like show us like a younger New York right now. Yeah, yeah, although the legacy I would love to always watch the ladies and where they're going in life. And you know, why

want to see Luanne get married? If she gets married, I want to see Sonia find love or sell that house, right? Like you want to see things. But I do love the idea of like young New York moms and like that whole

thing where they're just like they're finding like the preschool that their kid needs to go to because it's so high in and it's $50,000 to send them to preschool or whatever it is. Like I'm interested in that. When I joined the

Real Housewives of New Jersey, I was 30 years old. So it was like I joined with like children all over my arms and hanging and I feel like even Jersey, which you will see is trying to cast some more of that that you'll probably see some new faces up and coming. And I think it's genius because we need to stick with some of our regulars, but also bring in some new,

or else how does it kind of get some new stuff? I mean, I do think if there's enough airtime and money to go around right I do like the idea of sticking women with women that they really are friends with that are really their age that it really are going through life like to get to the

point of like being golden girls. It's fucking it's great like we don't need to let any of those ladies go, but you also can't blame like Ramona for not completely hitting it off with, you know, Leah or Ebene, she's not going to. Right. I mean, these girls, yeah, she's like, come on, all my friends are like 65

and that are hung out with all my, like, that's what I'm hanging out with, that's what I'm talking to. Now I have to act like like I would really Friends with this woman right yeah, and like and like someone like Ramona whose Catholic is gonna be N60 You know three or whatever she is is gonna be like happy for Leah who is leaving Catholicism for Judaism I understand people do that, but like I can see while If if Ramona acted like she was happy for Leah,

then we'd be like Ramona's not telling the truth. Right. Like you know what I mean? She's not it would not be like she's gonna be like oh, oh, oh, okay? Like yeah, it's to her It's gonna be weird and to a lot of people it might be kind of weird to other people are probably listening to this and be like I hate either I don't care if you Leave your religion, go to another religion. I'm saying I know how Ramona's mind works. And you know, the fact that I don't even remember if that was a part of the story, but I was just thinking of something in which she wouldn't be on the same page with Leah about. And I just, you know, doesn't mean she doesn't like her, doesn't mean that she doesn't wish her well. Like mesh it. Yeah, it's like it doesn't. So, you know, you want like everyone's screened for like, we want this and we're marching

in the streets for like, you know, bravo to show us something different. And then they give them something different. And everyone's like, well, that was the worst season ever. Right. And I'm like, well, what did you expect? Like, just keep, like, have girls that are actually friends that actually have some history and some connection and have stuff in common. Remember that dating thing, e-harmony? Yes. Have you ever heard e-harmonies?

Yes. Yeah. E-harmony is based on, they believe that the best couples are the ones that have the Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, like so just see it as a e-harmony. It doesn't mean that it's like that they're shunning anybody, but I mean it's just like that's that that's why it's fun to watch a bunch of Jersey girls talk and mesh and you guys you know entertain a certain way that like a California girl does it or you have these bigger more elaborate baptism parties where like me a girl in California would be like what are we just going to like lunch after like every big and journey is big yes yeah every party is massive yeah and I appreciate watching

that different thing like we want to watch a different culture and a different upbringing like that is fun you know so when it's different it's what makes it good and that's what makes it good. And that's what makes it interesting to the rest of the world. It's like, right, I guess that's what it's even on our cast, we are divided slightly because we're just different. Like, I feel like some of our girls are very similar. And then there's the other side that feels very different just in the way that we handle Instagram. Just in the way we speak, in the way, well, like, it's just so crazy how it's like,

you just flock to who is most like you and who you agree with. And that's how we get, like, divided in a cast. Because I'm like, oh, like, what does she do? I would never say something like that. I would never act the way her. What is she wearing or why is she acting like this? And it's like, whoever is agreeing with me, they're my friends, right? Because it's like, we're on the same page here.

So it's very hard to kind of intertwine and get with the other people, because you just have nothing in common with them. And it's where the divides happen on the real housewives. But moving away from the real housewives of New Jersey, I heard that you had a very scary situation in, was it a comedy show that you did? Oh yes, February 5th. I was at the improv in Phoenix.

So it's not hot, February 5th. It's like normal weather. And I went to lunch with my son because he goes to college there and he was in the audience. And it was the first show of the night. My friend Justin went up before me. I had like a late lunch. So I wasn't hungry or anything. I never drink before.

I perform. I had plenty of water. Took a nap in the day. And I go out to do my stuff. And within like two minutes, all of a sudden, I'm like seeing these like spots and stuff. And I'm like, whoa, like, what the fuck is this? I feel dizzy. I better like walk this off. How am I going to get through not only this show, but a meet and greet, and then another show. Right. And I fainted. And it was like caught on camera

because they filmed everything. And I like chose to share it just because like people were talking about it. And I was like, well, I'm not going to share it. And I just completely fainted. And because I was alone on stage, I think if like I was just by myself and I felt that kind of disowness, I would have, you know, grabbed a chair or grabbed someone or I would have sat down and it would have passed. But because I was completely by myself with nothing, you can't even hold like a mic stand. I just went back and I hit the back of my head so hard that I never I never have any bleeding outside or anything, but

I did have a crack skull and bleeding of the brain. And I, I mean, I went to the hospital, I took every test there possibly could be, which is good. I know there's nothing wrong with me. As far as like EKG, heart, head, all of it, but it was really scary, because I was like, do I have a ticking time round? Do I have like, are they gonna tell me

I'm like a huge tumor in my head or something? I didn't know about. I had no idea. And, you know, and then it got a lot of got a lot of press because of what it looked like and also the joke I said before was like not that funny So then like people that wanted to like rip on me were like like all these like conservative guys on YouTube We're like oh this is my trick start funny. I'm like dude. I agree. It was like I do an hour and 15 like this isn't my great Greatest moment, but in it. I agree. It was like, I do an hour and 15. Like, this isn't my greatest moment.

But in it, I just was, I was bragging about how many shots I'd gotten. Because I wanted people to know that like, I'm following the fucking rules. And so I'm like, I've had, you know, two Pfizer, one Moderna, a flu shot. I also had the first of the shingles, because I'm old.

And then you pass out right after that? Yeah, and then I go, and then I say, and I've never gotten COVID. So I go, so clearly Jesus loves me the most, because I had always joked that like, you know, oh Jesus loves me, because I never got COVID, blah, blah, blah. Like I'm joking, obviously I don't think Jesus loves me the most because I'd always joke that like you know, oh Jesus loves me because I never got COVID but I'm like I'm joking obviously I don't think Jesus loves me the most. He loves this all the same like God shut up. So anyway, I so then the people that would comment like God flicked me like he was

mad. He was like how dare you talk about me like that? He flicked me and then other people were like oh my God she she's fainted because of the vaccines. And then other people were, I don't know. So everyone thought something different. I mean, I don't know. It is weird. Are you good now? Everything's good back to normal.

Oh yeah, I'm totally fine. I mean, I'm totally fine. Well, thank you, I'm totally fine. I mean, I'm totally fine. Um, well, thank you. Jesus for that. Yeah. I mean, thank God. I mean, I was like, I can't believe this is like the one like stand up viral moment of my life. But what did everyone do in the audience? Did they start to like scatter and like, were they like, first they thought it was a joke? Oh, first they thought it was funny joke. Oh, first they thought it was funny. They're laughing

and then I like woke up. Like a couple of second. You know, it's really weird to though about predicting. I was on a podcast with Josh flag my podcast and I said I have a fainting fantasy. I've always thought like,

you know, to fate. I'd never imagine well, if you fate, no one catches you, you're going to hit your head really hard. But I always thought it would be cool to like fate and then open my eyes and everybody's looking around like you see in a movie. And then sure enough, it happened. And I looked up and like there was like a doctor, a female doctor, and like I think some other nurse or something that were in the audience that came right up on stage that they immediately called like the ambulance

and everything, so they were like, you know, so I don't even know if it's down, maybe not even out, like maybe a less than a minute, and I like open my eyes and I'm like, I literally was like, this is a dream, this is not your like it happened. I had my faint moments here. Yeah, and I was, so then I was like said to my, so I'm like, so, so I'm like,, my God, this is gonna be hard to do the,

you know, to get back up there and do the second show. And they're like, we're not doing the second show. And I was like, oh, my God, like I've never in my life canceled a show. That's why I was like not sympathetic to, you know, Adele. I'm like, I've never canceled a show. I felt, so all I could think about is all the moms that got sitters and or kind of girls trip or like came or anything like that.

I felt so terrible. And then my son who's only 19. He was a freshman at the time. And I was a sophomore. He happened to be in the audience. And so I was like, get my son, get my son. And his name is Drake. And I always call him Drake.

He poo and I talk about him like Drake. He poo like all the other, so he's walking through and all these moms are like go help your mom, Drakey Poo, and I was like oh my god, this is so horrible. So then, but then when I went back, actually freaking half way from now. And then of course the ambulance wanted to take me, but Drake is just like my husband and very cheap. And he was like, Mom, we're not getting in an ambulance. You'll never get that $3,000 back. We can take you. I can drive you.

And I was okay to go in a normal car. But like that- He's like, we're not wasting three grand on the ambulance. No, she was like, that's hell. I said, is we have to refund these people all of their money? Well, I didn't have to refund them, but I did come back. So I came back in April and had great shows. But my son was like, mom, do you think it had anything to do with you being nervous about being being in the audience? Because throughout my life, he's never seen my stand if he's too young. I talk about him, you know. Me, please. And I was, I was like, I don't think it helped.

So when I come back in April, let's just go to a beautiful stake dinner the night before and then you go hang out with your friends and do not come to the show. He's like, yeah, I don't want to go. And I go, okay, good, just don't come. You don't need to come. Yeah. So he didn't come, but he was great.

It was great. He was, I was so happy. Like, I mean, it was going to happen anywhere but LA? Phoenix was the best place because my sister-in-law, I have a wonderful relationship with. Because she was there. She was there. Yeah, she was there. And so she was like, I'm taking you to the best hospital.

It's the hospital has like a neurological center. They have a Brett Michaels wing because like Brett Michaels once like something fell on his head and at a concert in Phoenix and they took them there and so like I was like in the best Hands if I wasn't home like it would be so good Yeah, I wasn't like complete normally. I like travel alone. I had my assistant there that weekend Which I never do I had my opener Justin, which I never do so it was like it all like it weirdly Like worked out. But it was your faint moment and you're alive.

You're good. Thank you, Jesus. I'm so happy for you. Yeah. Because I was like, I never- It wasn't everything you dreamed it would be though. No. I've never had one yet.

I've never had a faint moment yet in my life. And I believe it is the way I see it in the movies as well. Yes, yeah. Or the way Lisa Vanderbump fainted when she was wanted to get out of dancing with the stars. Like, I'll remember that like the recent fans. Oh, that was genius. That was an amazing thing.

Anyway, I do this reoccurring bit, OK? Yes. It's called, Grilled with Gorgah. So I'm excited. I'm going to ask you some rapid fire questions real quickly. Just give me your best answers just so we can know a little bit more about you, okay Heather? Yes.

All right, here we go. Who is your first celebrity crush? I mean, probably Jason Bateman. Really? Okay, that's a good one. What's your favorite 80 song? Do you have a favorite 80 song? Oh, probably Madonna, like one of her first songs. Not like a virgin, but probably holiday.

Holiday. If we took a holiday. Yeah, don't mind. Do you sing good? I feel like you sing a lot. I think I can sing okay. Yeah, I can sing stuff. Yeah. You can hold it too, and I like it. I, yes, I can kill it at a karaoke. What's your biggest regret? My biggest regret is not putting a play set in my backyard when my kids were little and we didn't have a pool. And that's why I'm hands down my biggest regret.

Okay, I've never heard anyone say this. The play set is like one of the most interesting answers. I've heard heard anyone say this. The play said is like one of the most interesting answers I've heard yet and the fact that it was just sitting right there and you was definitely a big regret for you is great. Now I'm gonna need the best decision you've ever made. Well the best decision I've ever made was to start a podcast. Agreed. Yeah, you're so good at it. Besides, you know, getting married. The juicy scoop, the juicy scoop.

Yeah. Also a good, also a good decision is just like going for it and reaching out to when when I found it, Chelsea handler was going to do a weekly TV show. I had I hadn't worked in TV, like regularly as a staff writer in like almost 10 years because I was with the kids and I was acting and I

was selling real estate. I was always working and I was getting gigs here there, but I wasn't really like in the business like steady. And I was and I thought, you know what, I'm 36 at the time. And I'm like, if I don't get in the game now again, I'm

it's going to be too late to get in it. Right. So I think being aggressive and also like thinking, um, like don't put stuff off because of the age of your kids, because you're going to be a mom forever. And I, I'm so happy now, the last seven years, I haven't been as busy as I was for seven years prior to that. So I am sad that I didn't do the play set and I'm sad that I missed little kid stuff. But I almost feel it's like, it worked for me. I feel like it's almost more important

that you're home when they're older a little bit and you're more involved when they're older. Yes, I am totally hitting that right now because it was like the truth was they were home and the babysitters like yeah, they're going to bed at eight o'clock and they played with their toys and they ate a grilled cheese.

But now it's like I'm chasing them when I'm not around. I'm sure you get that. It's like, like, Antonio started to drive and it's like, where are they? Where are they going? Who are they going out with? Where are the moms?

Like, are they going to drink? It's 10 times more important now. I know that sounds crazy, but it really is. Okay. All right. So give me your pet peeve. What is your pet peeve? My pet peeve is when like someone big on Instagram or something, does a post that is so incredibly

thirsty, but it's like a hidden thirst trap and nobody's getting it. No one's getting it. It's like the fishing for a compliment. You're so acting like, yeah, so that's probably my biggest thing. Biggest pet peeve. Okay. All right, I like it. What was your worst date you've ever been on?

Do you even remember your worst date? So my friend like set me up with the sky. I think I met him like once and then he's like, let's go on a date. He was like early 30s full attorney, tall, decent looking. So we make a plan for Friday night and he picks me up and he takes me to a rehearsal dinner So we go to the rehearsal of this wedding that I'm not going to the following day like he just takes me So like I have to sit there and see him whatever be a groom's been and go through the rehearsal part at like the Calabasas Country Club or whatever and

Then instead of having like a nice rehearsal dinner, this is gonna blow your Italian mind. We go to, and this is 100% the truth, the rehearsal dinner is at Shakes. Do you know what Shakes is? No, what is Shakes? Shakes is an Italian place that like, I don't think there's way to say this,

I think it's like you go up and like get a number and then bring your tray to the table. They also, besides serving pizza, they also serve fried chicken, which I always thought was so weird and this thing called mojo potatoes, which are like cut up wedge-pried potatoes. And I always thought who like serves pizza

with potatoes and fried chicken, but shake these does. I don't even think it's round anymore. That was I was like, this is the worst date that's cost him nothing. And for a wedding that I'm not even like this beautiful spot to go have a nice rehearsal dinner, where you're going to have like a beautiful words that that's definitely the worst date. Okay, tell me something about you that would

surprise us. What don't we know about you? I feel like we know a lot, but what? Oh, that's a good one too. Probably something that would surprise people is that I have like a lot of like Catholic guilt and like that old school Catholic part of me that like I don't want to put anyone out. I mean it's like you know how like Jewish guys always joke like a Jewish mom was like you don't call me anymore and they make they make their kid feel guilty. I kind of like the opposite like I don't want my kids to ever feel like they have to do something for me or like nobody I never wanted anyone to pick me up from the airport. I never I never wanted like inconvenience anyone like any time I had a meeting I was the one that always drove from the valley to the city. I was like oh I wouldn't know when wants to come to the

valley and like I'm just now like get like stopping that like now I'm like this is where my show is it's in Wonder Hill's if you want to come. You don't like to inconvenience people. I don't want to ever inconvenience people. I don't wanna ever inconvenience people. I don't wanna have them bitch about it after. Well, that's a good quality. That's actually, that's a good trait. I actually didn't have bridesmaids besides my two sisters because I had some friends

that like we're bitching about being bridesmaids all the time. And I was like, you know what, I just don't wanna have any favors. I'm just talking to have any. And that's a regret. That's a regret that I didn't have any. Because I had a lot of good friends that are still my friends.

And I think that can be fun, especially when you're young. Like I got married at 29. So like, but it comes from that. Like I just am like, oh, what is your favorite late night snack? So like if you're going for it, you're on the couch,

you're watching your favorite show, what's in your hands? I mean, I love any kind of like creamy ice cream, something chocolatey, like a mint chocolate chip or something like that. Like definitely something in the chocolate family. And what are you watching? What do you been watching while you're eating it? You know, I like I like a lot of date line, but I have to say I think maybe I'm like I think I'm like like a little over date line and now I'm more into like a Good a good like Netflix doc like a documentary. Yeah, but only a documentary. That's like two or three parts max I don't like any I don't like like something that's been spread out over seven. That like pisses me off.

Wait, give me something to watch tonight with Joe. So like, for real, I do this all the time. I watch the, have you watched the Bantee Tio thing? What is it called? Bantee, I hope I say, hope I say his name right. It is only two parts so you can get it done in one night. It's on Netflix.

It's so juicy. You will love it. It's on Netflix. It's so juicy. You will love it. It's about a football player who is very like he goes to Notre Dame. We're super religious. And this girl starts to be friend him and

they're both Polynesian on Facebook. And they start a romance. And that's all I'm going to tell you. All right. I'm watching that tonight. I always ask my guess what to watch that night and it always works for us. So Joe

always says, make sure you ask them what we're watch. I'm going to watch that tonight. He'll love that anyway with the football and everything. Yeah, it's really good. And he'll probably remember it because

I remembered the story when it happened. It happened 2012. And I remembered it. And I remember we did a topic on it and stuff on Chelsea lately. And like the guys were freaking out because they all knew who this guy was and stuff. But I'm like, I don't know who he is. And he was like this, you know, he's been trophy hopeful.

And so Joe will totally like remember the bits of the story. But I think most people don't really know the truth behind it. That's why I think some, I think a doc like that is really, really good. Okay, that's literally what I'm gonna watch tonight. Okay, and listen, Heather, I always end with if you were to treat yourself and the day is all about you, how do you treat yourself?

What do you do? I mean, definitely like wake up and go on like some good kind of like walker hike or something. So I feel like I did something. Then I'm going to have like a really good Starbucks situation and you know like maybe make myself a breakfast. Definitely you know get some type of massage like a good massage and maybe some cracks come out of that massage. Like I don't like to go to chiropractor,

but I like when like a like myself crack or like a massage person cracks me. And then, and then maybe like chill by the pool and then start getting cute at like five to like go out by seven and do an Uber and like have a full night somewhere, either dinner or. Yeah, hopefully with people by then hopefully some people. Yeah, hopefully you found some friends by seven p.m.

Yes, and then like have a cute night out and like booze it up. Awesome. Yeah, you know, I thank you so much for coming on today. You're so much fun. I love all your predictions. Keep predicting for all of us. Housewife fans out there and Housewives. I love listening to you. Everyone do yourself a favor and listen to the Jersey Scoob. She's great. She's super funny. And you have a show coming out. Your next one is in

Washington, right? Seattle. I'm doing live, Jersey Scoob. It's me plus always one co-host, but maybe some surprise guests. And there's all at Heather McDonnell.net. So it's always a different show. And the first one is Minneapolis and then Chicago, then Seattle, Portland. Then I'm gonna be the Saturday of BravoCon.

I'm in New York, so I'll see you. Are you performing at BravoCon? Are you? Yeah, I'm doing a live GC scoop and my guest is Carlos King. And so that'll be fun, but hopefully some other people will make surprise guests, but it'll be very fun. So we'll kind of recap what's going on like, you know, because it's going to

be crazy in New York. Okay. And then I've got Vegas and I've got Texas, a bunch of cities in Texas. And then the East Coast. So it's just September, October, November. And it's all at Heather McDoll and that net. But the tickets are selling really, really well. I'm excited to just do something different than stand up,

because I did stand up for the last year and a half. And so this is like a totally different show and it'll be fun. Awesome. Awesome. Okay. Well, then I will see you in October at BravoCon. Until then, thank you so much for coming on. You're so much fun. I always love talking to you. So, yes, I will see you very soon. Congrats. Bye. on until then thank you so much for coming on you're so much fun I always love talking to you so Yes, I will see you very soon

Congrats. Bye. Thank you. Bye. We'll see you. Bye. Thanks No! you