On Display with Melissa Gorga - Reality Checked (w/ Dorinda Medley and Kiki Monique)

Episode Date: May 22, 2025

This week Melissa invites the OG of RHONY, Dorinda Medley, and pop culture expert, Kiki Monique, onto the show to talk about the secret text chain among the RHONY gals, the surprising truth behind Reality TV friendships, and the huge red flags we're seeing with some of the relationships on The Valley. The ladies also talk the latest happenings in the Diddy trial, and Melissa shares a personal encounter that can now be looked at in a whole new (and scary) light. This week's sponsors: Apartments.com - The Place to Find a Place: www.Apartments.comBooking.com - Find the Stay That's Ridiculously Right for You: www.Booking.com (Save up to 20% on a Getaway Deal)Koala Sofa Bed – Designed for Pure Comfort: http://us.koala.com/melissa ($100 off!)Pluto.TV - Streaming TV: www.Pluto.TV (Free!)Progressive - "Name-Your-Price" Tool: www.Progressive.comSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hey, hey, guys. Welcome to On Display with Melissa Gorga. So excited to talk to you guys today. And I have two lovely ladies on the show today. The first gal is your go-to when it comes to pop culture and TV. And she's behind the very popular Instagram account, The Talk of Shame. My second girl is one of the OGs of Rony. She was just a contestant on the latest season of Traders, and she owns one of the best pieces of real estate in the US, if you ask me. A lot. Please welcome the amazingly talented Kiki Monique and Dorinda Medley, the hosts of the serious XM show,

Reality Checked. Hi girls. Hi. How are you guys? I'm so excited to, Kiki, I feel like this is the first time you and I have ever met, right? We've seen each other in passing. I think we were all actually at the Planet Hollywood opening in New York.

And so we kind of saw each other in that section, but I was just kind of like, you know, in and out and Dorinda was definitely in and out. Oh yeah. That's how I am in those things. That was a crazy, that was a crazy, there was a lot of people in a small space there. We were kind of crammed and there was a lot of like celebs, all kinds of celebs from all different genres. From all different walks of life.

Yes. And I don't do well in crowds like that. It's so funny. Like I, as social as I am, I don't do well in big crowds. Like I don't go to concerts and things. It takes a lot for me to go to a concert. You know, I could say, I can agree with you on Dorinda with that. Dorinda stays close to the people she knows.

I feel like you are like that. And you do stay close to me usually, because for some reason, Dorinda, I was just saying this, you and I get booked on a lot of things together, right? A lot. I'm like, oh, who's doing it with me? They're like, Melissa Gorga, Dorinda. Dorinda Medley. Yes. Yes. No, but it's good because it's a natural, I think we have a natural synergy. Yes, we do. We're good together. And I don't know why when people are pulling things, they just pull the both of us from I'll take it.

Me too. Even when we were going out to dinner the other night, we were, we just went and did family feud together guys, which was, oh my God, that's a buck. I don't know about you guys bucket list for me. I watch it every night. Wanted to do it. We were still unclear about if we could say that or post that. There's been so many mixed messages. I've just kind of like held still with it.

Yes. Yeah. Is it okay if we're saying that? Yes. We're allowed to say we were on it. We cannot say who we were on it with or how the results were, but we'll just say that that was fun. And I will say this, it's not as easy as it looks when you're on your couch. Well, because it's that, you know, it looks like it's so easy to yell at people at the TV and be like, what? Right.

But you have one second and there's a, you know, it's a buildup and then they tell you have zero seconds between the buzzard and giving the answer. Like zero second. I got the answer, so I was very happy. I was very happy that I got the answer. Like zero second and I feel like- I got the answer so I was very happy. I was very happy that I got an answer. Okay, you're not allowed to give anything away. I'm done. Woo!

It was really fun. It was awesome. I can't wait for everyone to see that. It's not gonna be on for a minute though. So everyone's gonna have to kind of wait for that. But I wanna talk to you guys. There's so much pop culture I wanna talk to you guys about. But first off, I wanna talk about yourius XM show that you guys do together.

How did this whole thing even come about? How did you two meet? Tell me a little bit about your show that you guys do. Well, Kiki and I used to do Daily Mail TV together. Oh my God. Okay. I didn't know this. Yes.

Okay. I always say the great thing about Kiki, you know, and I say this in relationships, and I think it even applies to you and Joe a lot. Not opposites, but people that have come from different areas and come from different thought processes and have different kind of outlooks on things, they actually make better couples. They have better synergy, you know? So Kiki's very, like I always say, Kiki should have been either an investigative reporter to the deepest level. Like now when I watch Investigator ID, I think Kiki would be great at this.

Or she should have been a lawyer because she gets granular. And you know, I'm much more surfacey. I'm like much more opinionated and sort of I come from the Bravo world so I can see it from a different perspective a lot of times and I can point out what people are doing or what they're trying to achieve. So this combination has just been the synergy has been so good and I just basically really like her. I liked her from the first time I met her. She's a very interesting character and always has great stories.

So I just get happy when I see her come on the camera every day, I really do. Yeah, and like you give me like such a different perspective. I was thinking the other day when we were just talking about Real Housewives of Atlanta, and we were talking about the Portia and Shemeah thing, and it's like, yeah, as a viewer for so many years, I look at it one way, but then you kind of opened my eyes

of like, well, Portia could have felt this way. And I was like, oh yeah, you know, as someone who's been behind the camera, you understand, like that could be the reason she did that. Yeah. Yeah. Different points of view are kind of the best part about teaming up. I think that is why Joe and I do so well. We handle life so differently, but yet we're so similar in what we want at the end. But the answer he'll give you and the answer I'll give you are two completely different or the way I'll handle a situation or the way.

So it does work good when you're kind of with someone that doesn't have the same exact thought process. And I think in life there should always be a little bit of a grind, a little bit of a tension, right? So that tension doesn't always have to be bad. You hear the word tension and you think, oh, that's a bad thing. Tension's great in creativity. Tension's great in sex. Tension's great in when you do, you have, you know, you're having a discussion, a debate. Tension kind of creates creativity, right? So

it's good. She'll have a fully different perspective. And I'll be like, yeah, I don't agree with you. And I'll tell you why. But the great thing is is as in your relationship with Joe It leads to a discussion and we always kind of get to a point where we're like, okay I accept that and I accept that and it gives our viewers a kind of different perspective No one wants to just hear the back and forth. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, you're right Right a thousand percent. I mean Zarenda. We obviously know your background. We know all about you. Kiki, tell me your background. How did you get into this whole pop culture and all of this? Obviously I've been a pop... I feel like I've been a pop culture historian my whole life.

My mom, I'd be in the grocery store with her. She's pulling the Star magazines, the National choirs. She's having all the magazines come to her house. So I've always been into that. But making it like a livelihood was crazy. And that's why lockdown COVID was, you know, it was terrible, but it was the best thing that happened for me because being stuck in my house and not having to go anywhere as social as I am, I'm like, I love this. Like I never have to go anywhere.

And then everybody's equalized to zero and everybody was on TikTok. So I was like, all right, let me figure out how to use TikTok. And that's what I did. And I was like, I don't sing or dance. So let me just talk about stuff. And so now everyone talks on TikTok. But back in 2020, there weren't a lot of talkers. So just talking about pop culture and reality TV, I just like picked up really quickly. And that was really how I got it and grew into just, you know, it turned into Instagram. And then it turned into like getting a serious job. And that's where we ended up. Yeah, I feel like TikTok, that's where I learned TikTok too, obviously with COVID. But it's true, we were all doing these dances and you had to learn the moves and I was like,

why am I even doing this? I gave up on that. I really was like, you know what, I just can't, I just started cooking on TikTok. I'm like, I don't care. Same, same, I know. Dorenda, we need to make like a cooking video together. Oh my God, we just started cooking on TikTok. I'm like, I don't care. Same, same, I know. Dorenda, we need to make like a cooking video together. Oh my God, we should do a cook-off. We could kill that.

Oh, I'm gonna beat you in that, like a thousand percent. And I don't know about that. I've seen your cooking and I have to say I've- Do you have, you tasted my cooking. It's very good. I'm gonna cook for you one night. And then you cook for me. The thing that I love, you made something that I did copy.

We chopped up ham. Oh, the Italian deli with the pasta and the peas and the ham. I made that. Did you? How'd it come? Did you like it? Delicious. Yes, it was very delicious.

It's one of my favorite things. It's like a light pasta, right? Yeah. So it's not that heavy. Yeah, it's delicious. Oh, good. I love it. No, I also love that the thing that's great about Kiki is she's passionate about it. Like she's really passionate about it. So when she talks like, this is a woman that goes like, when she told me the story, I was like, wow, you are really into it. After Shana

Madure had that accident, she ran that night and got a piece of the wall that she hit and she has it right behind her on her wall. I mean, that's committed. She's committed. Then I have so many questions for you today, Kiki, on so many different things. Wait, first of all, because you guys just teased it and now my listeners don't know, give me both your viewpoints on Atlanta, what you guys were saying about with Portia. What do you guys feel? I mean, I think it's kind of sad to watch. I don't like when real relationships are harmed during reality TV. But I also, again, I felt like Dorinda changed my perspective because I did feel like in the beginning,

maybe the viewers were, it's like, maybe she didn't want Shemeah to come on because, you know, Shemeah has become a fan favorite and she knew that this was her return to reality and she didn't want it overshined. And Dorinda was like, well, but maybe she is such a seasoned veteran of reality and she knew what it could do to a relationship and what she would have to do to make good TV. And Shemeah is such a good friend,

she didn't wanna have to put her through that. And that is why she's reacting that way. And I was like, oh, interesting. If you wanna protect your friend, that makes a lot of sense. I said, there's a real different when you're a friend, there's still sort of a, you know, there's a protective layer when someone's just not as a friend,

but when someone comes on full-time, then it's game on, you know, anything's out there. And you know, anything's out there. And you know, you kind of peel away all your politeness and because even with the best of my friends, you know, like Ramona I've known for 30 years, we've had very awkward situations where I'm on reality TV and I've had to call her out.

Really, Ramona? Awkward? Here's sweet wife. Yeah, but you know, even Luanne and stuff, they've done it with me. A good reality star will understand that and a good relationship can heal from that, not always, but you run that risk once you drop that proscenium wall and you're now on the game field.

When you're all, you know, I said it's like the NFL, as long as you're a spectator watching the NFL, then you can talk, but when you get on the field with me, then we got to play. And unfortunately, all rules apply. So I'm sure Portia, knowing that their relationship was very deep, was like, we run the risk. And at that moment watching them, it was the first time I ever saw Portia look uncomfortable.

Like, wow, here we are, here we go. Right. Like I'm losing this friendship. And I felt bad for her. Aunt Shamiah, wow, here we are, here we go. Like I'm losing this friendship. And I felt bad for her and Shamia, to tell you the truth. I kind of watched that scene thinking, what a shame. Here, another one. You know what I mean? And there's so much history too with the,

you know, learning that their mothers also had a fallout. You realize it goes deeper than just that friendship. And so you're like unpacking all of that on screen has to be a lot. And listen, I love reality TV. I was part of it, you're part of it, but you know, it can be talking to you, very damaging to relationships.

And you know, we recovered, you're remote and all of us and we're closer than ever, but there's a lot of times you don't recover. Ta-da. Point and case. Ta-da. Point and case. You just don't.

Ours runs a little deeper, you know, to the left. Yeah, I know. But you know what I mean. Yes, I got you. And it's true. And it's like I always say, there's pros and cons to this whole world that we all live in and hopefully you can come out swimming and breathing and saying it was worth it at the end. I feel like that's the most important thing with all these girls

on the Housewives and all the reality shows. There's so many at this point, but just to be able to come out and be like, I can still walk the streets, hold my head high and be who I am. Well, you have to look. I always say in reality TV, you got to go into it. You got to at the end understand the macro part of it, not that if you get stuck in the micro, it's gonna kill you personally, friendship wise, relationship wise.

You have to look, take, if you are strong enough to take the macro picture and say, we are on a platform, we signed up for this, you know, it is what it is and we can move away from it and keep creating good authentic TV. Then you can stay, but I think some people just aren't built that way.

I'm very built that way. You know, as a Sagittarian, I don't hold stuff. I kind of move on quickly. And you know, so it worked for me. And you know, listen, there were times after the reunion where you're like, never going to talk to that bitch again, you know, but every reunion, I think I say that every reunion. I'm like, Oh, I mean it. You said, cause you know, as you know, Kiki, we don't see any of the

confessionals and stuff. Yeah. So sometimes you're super blindsided. You're like, you had no idea there was, there was this parallel conversation going on. There was been times when I thought actually like the person was on my side and then they make a remark and a confessional and like, and I wrote, I wrote, I write, it died for you the whole season, right?

That's always the worst when they fake it to your face. Soon as they get in that little chair in that little room with that ring light on them, they just go. And I'm like, really, really like we were just running around the kitchen in the last scene together getting peaches. And now you're killing me in this scene girlfriend. That's an art form. You know, who was very good at that is Luanne. Luanne was always because the way to say she's like dollar. Well, darling, don't worry about it, darling. I just think, you know, it is what it is. You know,

we're just making no explaining. And then the conventional big, well, I just thought D was really out of control. And quite frankly, I was horrified. I'm like, what? She turned it on her. Quite frankly, it hurt me to say such a thing. That's so Luanne. But wait, while we're talking about the Luanne's of it all, what? Wait, tell me if you called Sonia after this. I was on watching, I was enjoying my Monday night last night, TMZ pops up, I'm seeing her in the ambulance. Girls, what's happened to my Sonia girl?

Well, I think it was a cumulative thing. Four days before we had the restaurant debacle, right? And then we have the TMZ debacle. And I don't know if we know this, but we're on, I was telling Kiki about this and Danny Pellegrino the other day who was on our show, we're on a group text. It's called, it's a, it's just, it's called Real Housewives of New York City, OG or something. I don't know what they've called it. And the OG, it's me, Luann, Sonia, Ramona, Kelly, Ben Simone, and Jill Zahn. So it's always going constantly, even when we're not doing anything, just like,

hey, just Landon and Boak or whatever. And, you know, I'm not great at those group texts because they bring stress to me. So every once in a while I'm like, that's great. You know what I mean? And then I get, I give off for like another 10 days. They really go into it. But after this whole thing, like I could publish these texts, which I never would do, but it was like watching a show and I read them to someone in the voices of my

cast, my former cast mates and you, and the person was peeing themselves. Right. But at one point I said to Sonia, I said, Sonia, what is going on? Now I see that there was an ambulance and she told us the whole thing as she was helping an elderly person. And you know, Sonia is the best storyteller of all times. You know, she like a true storyteller. Like is she telling you know, it's it's very, she should have been a romance writer because you know, there's a got it. It been a romance writer because there's a- Got it.

It's a novel too. She's still black and white, as you know, and just, I'd be like, listen, I fucked up. Okay? But she's always like, well then, when Mr. Morgan sent his plane, I realized that, da, da, da, da, and this, that, and I was having a wonderful evening in Palm Beach and the butterflies. But anyway, she said- The butterflies were coming and they were going to fall, so it went to capture them.

Yeah, so it's always great. I'm not making an embellished speaker like that, but it but anyway, she said, the butterflies were coming and they were gonna fall, so I went to capture them. I'm not making a bellished speaker like that, but it was funny because she said, she said, yes, I was helping an elderly woman and I realized she was in duress. I think they said it, so I'm not speaking out of school. And I said, but why were you on the stretcher?

But yeah, why was she? Please give us the answer. So I'm right, but you were on the stretcher. And then it goes on and on, I won't even tell you. And they're like, well, maybe that's one person, maybe that's this Please give us the answer. You were on the stretcher. And then it goes on and on. I won't even tell you. And they're like, well, maybe this one person, maybe that's this, maybe that. And I said afterwards, I said to my friend Frank, is there a world where someone has a heart attack and you help them into the other? And you get on the stretcher too.

I never heard that one. So wait, did they put her on her stretcher? Did she want to be on the stretcher? Did you get that answer? No, but I just, you know, I don't, I just- So there's no full answer there. You know, is there ever with us, you know what I mean? We could create a three page story over the word it, you know what I mean?

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Can you read me the last text in that text chain, please? Who is the last person to say something in the OGs of Rooney's? They're much more involved than me, but to tell you the truth, it brings me joy. The people wanna know. Because one of the things I loved about being on TV that was a positive, I love the camaraderie.

I'm like a girl that would live in a commune anyway. You know what I mean? I would like that whole thing. Let's see. Let's see if I can find it. Just tell me the last thing someone said. Give us all a little bit of what we love and miss so much. Yeah.

Well, hold on. I'll also take Sonia's explanation, whichever you want to give us. Yeah. Well, it's, hold on. I'll also take Sonia's explanation. I would, whichever you want to give us. Exactly. I have got so, oh, here it is right here. Oh God. Okay. So this was, um, well, I'll just give you a really funny one. That's that. Cause the last one's not that, but this one, I, I totally, I don't know. I spit out my coffee when I read this one. Okay, you can you can guess who is Darlings are you out of your minds? I Can probably we can publish a book if you guys know right with just that text chain like Darlings are you out of your mind and I literally spit off my coffee.

You're just like you can like hear her saying Sometimes though whenever I see like Sonya stories though I sometimes feel like I'm like looking into a crystal ball of my future only because I've told you this to read I'm also a Sagittarius, but Sonya and I are birthday twins. We're both November 25th. And so I just see a lot of like her personalities in me. Like I know that I'm going to be like completely eccentric and like, like when I get older, I don't want to have any excuses for anything. I'm going to do whatever I want and I'm going to live my best life. And so I see a lot of that in her and in me, my future. The great thing about Sonya is she just keeps it rolling. I mean, she really does. I mean, she had that whole restaurant thing

and the next night she was at another restaurant. She's like, mm, okay, let's keep it moving. You know what I mean? She really doesn't, like she has this world and that's her world. And she surrounds herself with this bunch of people. She's always with a gaggle of people. I'm a lone wolf.

Where does she get all these people from? She always has a crowd. It is a mystery. All I know is I saw her once about a year and a half ago and I'm schlepping up Lexington Avenue with like a Bloomingdale's bag or this bag, and there's Sonja walking freely with actually a person behind her holding her back. freely with actually a person behind her holding her back. No, but where does she get these people? I've had people- Not only could I not get a person, I don't know if I could get a person to hold my back and get away with it. Some person would say to me, you want me to hold your back? No, the person was, well, they were holding it like it was a newborn baby.

Oh my God. My mother was born in November too, and I see that in her. She's very like, she's at that age. She does not care. She lives for herself. She say what she wants, how she wants, what she, I'm like, Ma, she's like, it's all right. You got to say it when you feel it. And I'm like, you were never like this your whole life, you know? So. But I think Sonia was always like that. I think Sonia's always, I think the reason why Sonia, it's very interesting. and I don't know if you guys know this, but all of us are upstate girls.

So Luanne's from upstate, I'm from upstate, Ramona's from upstate, and Sonia's from upstate. I think we all grew up very similarly in upstate, really no money, you know what I mean? Fathers were working class, some fathers weren't there. You know, I grew up in a very, thank God, stable family and great, but you know, did have a lot of opportunity or money or we had a lot of hopes and dreams.

But every one of those girls, they are go-getters. And you know, I always say follow the breadcrumbs. It's easy to know them today, but if you really look at their history, you look at Luanne. Luanne dragged herself out of upstate. She won a modeling contest. She put herself through nursing school.

She ended up modeling in Italy and then met the count. Obviously there's a lot in between. She was a game show host or game show co-host in Italy. And when you see the pic, Google it one time. Stunning. So you think about this girl that came from five children in upstate New York and that literally had no opportunity. And look what she's achieved.

Same with Sonia, same with me, same with Ramona. There wasn't, no one handed us a thing. Who knew? All good things come from upstate. Who knew? I remember coming in on the Bonanza bus and I had an LL Bean bag and I had $3,000 in cash. And I'm thinking, I'm rich. Yeah.

Like here I go. I'm rich, I can do this. Yeah. Still I read it, you know what I mean? Living the dream, living the dream. And I had the first, one of the first people I met in the club was Jelly Bean Benzing. Remember him? Oh, no.

He was Madonna's first sort of person that brought Madonna to the clubs and played her records. Oh, wow. Look at this. You're rubbing elbows with some good people. Well, I wasn't rubbing elbows. I just knew who he was because he was like, I was like, oh my God, I got to meet Jelly Bean Benzine because he'd be the person back then that would bring in the tape. And so people would go up into the tape booth. I'm showing my age. Like literally there was a DJ booth and people would go in and hand their tapes if you wanted to. Oh my God. Those were the good old days. Those were the good old days. I know. They had it too. Here's a fun fact. They would have them at Crazy Eddie. In the basement there was a DJ booth. Oh, Crazy Eddie's. And you could go in and

hand them your tape if you were trying to become famous. And if they played it at Crazy Eddie, then maybe it got picked up. I know it's so crazy, Eddie. The fact that I remember Crazy Eddie's, wow. Like we are, we are throwing it. Kiki, do you know Crazy Eddie's? Definitely do not. Okay. Cause that is throwing it back. Like, oh my gosh. Like that's where he used to go to get music and like, oh my God, that's insane. Okay, because that is throwing it back. Oh my gosh, like that's where you used to go to get music and like, oh my god, that's insane. Well, speaking of music, I got to talk to you ladies about the Diddy trial because while I was on the plane to Atlanta to go to Family Feud, I happened to watch one or

two Diddy videos. And once you get into you know what it does that it did that to me with the Menendez brothers. Now it's doing it like, so I can't even go on TikTok right now, cause it's like Cassie, Cassie, Cassie, Cassie, her statement. And I'm on the YouTube version. So it pops right up on my TV. So every day I lay in bed and the first thing it puts on

and you get so entangled. And the more you get entangled, the more you realize how the legal system was. I was just talking to someone about this this morning, actually at the Apple store. Strange. I ran into one of my friends and we got on it because of course you're there for hours in Mars. And you know, he's got a great legal team. And you know, I think it's as cut and dry as it started off. I think there'll be probably something, I am horrified by what we're hearing.

I'm horrified as a mother of a daughter, as a mother of anyone, as a person, what these people went through, but I don't know legally. Like, you know, I don't know. Like at the beginning I thought it was so cut and dry, but as it goes on and you listen to it, Kiki's better at this. She's the lawyer in the family here.

Like, why would I have to hear it? Am I listening to you in that or? No, I mean, you're exactly right. It's because, you know, anytime you hear about federal charges, especially through like the Southern District of New York, you know, you hear about like, they have this high 99%, you know, rate of like always convicting. But when you really think about the charges, you know, racketeering and, you know, basically sex trafficking, like, and when you're listening to the testimony, the testimony is horrifying. And

if he gets off, he's burnt. Like nobody is ever going to like want to be around this man. This man is a horrific man who's done horrific things. He is an abuser and that has been shown on the stand with plenty of evidence. Does that equate to sex trafficking racketeering? That is like what I, I don't even want, honestly, at this point, the testimony, I don't want to hear so much about your sex life, to be honest.

Cause I feel like right now what we're hearing is a lot of gratuitous bedroom activities that don't, again, this doesn't amount to sex trafficking necessarily. Well, that's what's so funny. Cause the woman actually I was talking about it got angry at me this one. Cause we talk, you know, I'm, I am empathetic, sympathetic. I'm so proud of this Cassie to be able to do this. I'm so happy her life has turned out the way it is and she seems to be in a happy marriage.

But I said, you're missing the point. You're mixing church and state here. I agree with you. I'm just saying from a legal thing. I don't know if they have enough, which is horrifying to think this guy could be walking the streets again, for me anyway. But you know, it's it's tricky the legal system. The only thing I will say is, my brother was saying or someone I was talking to said, you know, when they

become federal charges, I didn't realize this, they've done enough research to have enough to bring it to a federal charge, which I don't know if that's true. But still, we've seen stranger things happen. Well, that's my question because when I'm listening to all of the freak offs, there's all the freak offs, it sounds like there was a lot they did together. We heard about their sexual life together and what they did, what she didn't enjoy, but still stayed, which was horrifying.

Horrifying some of the things that she went through, and I understand that position of power that she felt he. Or it's abuse, and they locked up her mind. You're being, she was fully abused. The woman was fully abused. It's very evident, it's very obvious. But I was wondering how they're going to take it from sex trafficking, right? Isn't that have to be multiple or are we talking about just abuse

with one human? That's where I'm wondering how they're going to differentiate that. I mean, they're going to try to show that she was forced and coerced into having sex with these escorts. And then I think what they're doing right now with the people on the witness stand is trying to show that the people who worked for him were basically forced to do these illegal things on behalf of them, which that could then lead to the, you know, that could prove the racketeering charges possibly. But you know, at the end of the day, he was offered a plea deal.

He did turn it down. So you do have to think like if his lawyer said, let's, let's try to, they also felt that they had enough on the other side to kind of win this. So I, at this point, I have always said, I say it's 50 50. I'm not convinced that this is like the slam dunk case that I think a lot of us thought it was going to be. And you know what, Keke, and I'm sure you agree with this, like you're afraid to talk about it because people are so emotionally charged because of these stories we're hearing. So, but unfortunately being emotionally charged sometimes, listen, I'd like to see him go to jail forever, right? Because I'm,

yeah, like I said, but sometimes that's not enough. It's not. And I, you know, I'm always very transparent with my followers and anyone who's followed me for a long time know that I've been very open about being in a previously abusive relationship. And so I very much could be considered a biased opinion. I still have to keep an open mind about this as much as I think this man is despicable and he triggers me in every possible way. I also have to just look at what is legal and what can they prove and what does this mean? Again, if he did get off, I don't think we'll see him walking the streets. Maybe he'll just

like go banish himself to Bali with Russell Simmons and we'll never see him again. Hopefully they are able to convict on something, but we'll see. And he could do that because he has enough money still. Yeah. He's got to be convicted on something. He's not walking away from this. Do you think there's any shot of that at all? I don't know about that. No way. We have proof of him kicking our ass in a hallway.

I think it's again, but that's domestic violence is not a federal charge. He is definitely guilty of, we saw him, we saw the beatings, but those are state charges. Those are not federal charges. And so even they've literally admitted to that. And let me ask you something. I was, someone asked me this, the fact that she settled out of court for that, does that mean that they can't charge him again for it? Like how's that work?

Right. The settlements should really have nothing to do with it. I mean, of course the defense is going to try to say this was a money grab and all of those things, but No, I don't mean to this was a money grab and all of those things, but No, I don't mean it as a money grab. Obviously when he settled with her out of court, do you think she signed something saying you're no longer able to prosecute me? You see what I'm saying?

Yeah. Why would someone settle if they're not going to get, you know, no one's If they can get it done again. Yeah. I mean, maybe there could never be any state charges because yeah, maybe with that settlement that would It was a deal. Yeah. Maybe there was. Right. You see what I mean? There's so many layer rings that, that we just, I find the whole thing fascinating. Uh, you know, it's just, it's, we, we, we

all kind of grew up with Diddy. You know, we all kind of, all of us, come on. Like that's a fact. And that's why I never get invited to a white party. I mean, you're New Yorkers. Like, I mean, it seems like that was like a thing. I was the only white party I had was, you know, taking care of Hannah. I'm saying, yeah, I married where I got married relatively. I believe Melissa, Melissa got married very, very young. Yeah. She's like, really like, I was, you know, kind of off and living in Hong Kong at 26, you know, and yeah, I think during his like prime and when I got on, I actually was at the same party as him once we were at a party when I first got on the show and he walked up to

me and like knowing it now, he walked up to me and he was like, Hey, I see you. And he said, thank you, Jesus to me. Like, is it? Yes. He's watching the show and he goes you're killing it You're doing awesome with your music and then he's like he did say like is that your husband? And you know, I was like yes, like I was there with Joe and he was you know, he walked away He's like nice to me. He walked away or whatever

But I wonder if I wasn't there with Joe like what I've been invited to one of the freak offs Or maybe if Joe was his type. I don't know. That was based on the escort pictures we've seen. Maybe Joe wasn't even his type. We'll see. Wait. So do you 1000% think that Diddy is gay? No, I think that he, well, look, I think that he's a fluid man.

I think he's a powerful man. I think powerful men get like, I think all type of sex, like they want a lot of power over all types of people. And so I think that it doesn't even have to do with gender so much, it's just like power. It's just, I want to see everyone do everything because I told them to. I think there's something terribly went wrong because even the mother's involvement. So I don't even know if it's sexual anymore. Again, I think he's another victim of some sort.

Not saying, again, being, but when your mother's sex, you know, wasn't that in the testimony? It's like, yeah. Is that real? Like some of these videos, I'm like, is this real or am I seeing things like, yeah, what I do know about his past is what I thought, you know, cause I, I've, you know, I've done a TMZ doc, you know, about this and to me, it seems like he has a hatred of women, in my opinion, because even like his father, like died at a very young age,

but he still like gave his dad the credit of like what made him a man. And I'm thinking you were raised by your mother and like all women in your life who actually were the ones that took care of you. Why don't you give them the credit for making you this success that you were? But for some reason,

he still was giving it to his hustler father. So I just think that there's something he has an issue with women that dates back. There was an HBO one they did where the mother really had quite a salacious life when she, he was young. Oh, is that right? Coming in and out, visiting late at night, partying. So we don't know what this guy saw. Right. You don't know what his formula of. We don't know what his formula

of years, what they did to his. There's so much unknown and it's going to be very interesting. And listen, and I think it makes a difference, he has a very strong legal team. Oh, always does. Yeah. I mean, money. Can I ask this? Why do you think knowing he's got to know, right, that Cassie and the family has to know that Cassie's coming in there to say horrific things about their sexual relationship? And I mean, the most horrible things you've heard. Why is he still having the children? I'm just curious. Like at this point, I would be like, there's no need for you guys to sit here and listen to what your father- But I think they stopped coming during that part, didn't they?

Well, they left the room, but the fact that they even showed up at all, it just shows his narcissism of like, I'm sure he was like, you have to be there to support me because this is about me. He didn't care about what that would do to their mental. And yeah, exactly. Wow. Finding the one can feel impossible. And in today's world, it's even harder. False profiles, inaccurate pictures, ghosting on dates. Is this sounding familiar? But if you're ready to make your move to a new place, it doesn't

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What do you guys think about Aubrey O'Day not testifying at all? She's another one who knows him very well. What do you think about that? I don't think I was surprised only because again, I don't know, while she probably saw a lot of the abuse or she went through stuff as an employee, if she wasn't forced to do things illegally on his behalf that led to racketeering, I could understand why the attorneys would not want to. Because again, I think when you put too many celebrities, then it becomes like, it does become the circus.

And I think that the prosecutors want to contain it so it doesn't look like they're just trying to, quote, embarrass him or put him on display or any of those things. Right. It's so interesting because it's so layered and there's so many people that we have whispers about, all these other celebrities that we're in. I always find the most fascinating thing is that, and Melissa, I know you can relate to this,

like if someone came to me and said, my 14 year old child, they want to spend the weekend with them, I'd be like, what do you, I mean Hannah wasn't allowed to have sleepovers. Do you know that? No. They came to my house. That was Antonia for a very long time.

Yeah, until she was like 16, you know, so, cause I didn't know who else was in the house at night, right? I could control, you know, you don't people- Especially in a celebrity, or I would say like a pop star R&B, the biggest one of the biggest in the world. You know, there's a lot of people coming in and out. You know, there's a lot of late night recording, even if there's not no one like

you're going to take my child for the weekend and you can't talk to them or anything. I would be like, apps. There's no Yeah, that's one not even a question in mind, let alone to a superstar's house with multiple assistants and people and chefs and cooks and hell no. And there's quite a few of them. I think most, I think some of them

probably haven't even come out yet, right? There's, I mean, listen, who didn't, like there's so many celebs that you can associate with P. Diddy that it's exactly what Kiki said. It's a circus. It could literally be a circus of a celebrity. Like, there's probably so many stories and so many- The scary thing is, which you just mentioned is, like, if he does get off, he could just

pick up, go to Thailand, buy a $10 million house and pick up where he left off. Even though he has lots of civil lawsuits, he still has to deal with. So like, let's, you know, even if he got off on the criminal charges, he will be tied up, I believe, with a lot of these civil lawsuits for a while as well. Oh, right. A thousand percent. I can't believe how old he looks in the pictures. Well, you know what? He probably died. He probably died his hair. He probably washed the gray right out of his hair. And he's not allowed to do that right now.

He's not washing the gray out of his hair. So we're seeing all the time. He looks tired. You only see the picture. Don't you think he's tired? I mean, I think he's probably extreme. Yeah, I'm sure Brooklyn prison is not a not a great place to spend several months. Kiki, do you have any information on if he has any like special privileges in there? Or is he in a special space? Is he just hanging with the guys? Like what's happening? I haven't really heard much from the inside, which is surprising, which has made me wonder like, is he in solitary confinement most of the time because he's a celebrity? Because yeah, we don't hear much. Like I've, I've heard certain things about like his menu and how it's, you know, not, you know,

up to his standards, obviously. And he was jealous of the guy that shot that insurance guy. I guess that was the, we had a little news on that. Oh, okay. Yeah. But we haven't heard much about his life inside, but yeah. Yeah. That's what I know. I'm like, I never hear, like, we never see weird things or pictures or like, we don't

see anything. The Salt Lake City girl that Jen shot, like we hear about that, we see this. I'm like, we got nothing on that. Yeah. I've heard more about Jen and Karen. It really has consumed our news. You can't turn on the news or anything. It pops up on my Google constantly. It pops, you know, go to anything and it's the first thing that pops up now. It reminds me very much of when it was all Michael Jackson and the molest date, like the, like all that stuff that was going on. It's the same thing where it's like it took

over everything. And this is going to go on for eight weeks. And like, you know, with the Johnny Depp and Amber Heard, while that was also a dark case, even though it lasted like eight weeks too, there was something that was still had like a high entertainment value. I don't find entertainment value in this case. I just want to like know the facts about it. So it's like being inundated with it every day. I'm like, I'm happy to see other pop culture news when it pops up, which is why I like got so into like the Tommy Lee and Britney Britney Ferland story. I'm like anything else to distract me from just something anything. Well, let's turn a corner right now for a minute. I want to talk about a little couple more things on

your opinions on Bravo. Did you guys hear they announced the new show the Real Housewives of Rhode Island? What do we think? What are we thinking? So Rinda, what do you think? I you know, I love Rhode Island. And I know that there is people I think Rhode Island is going to be another sleeper like Salt Lake City. Like we had no idea. Salt Lake was going to be... I had no idea where it was, why it was. I never think about going.

Of course, now after watching it, I want to go to Salt Lake City. And Rhode Island, which people don't realize, especially Providence, has a wealthy enclave. And they're very... I think one of the biggest car deal salesmen lives there. He's like, you know, there's another guy. There's a couple of athletes that live there and they're very sort of, you know, they have a little Jersey-ess to them a little bit.

They're a little Jersey. All right, enough. Jersey's irreplaceable. I'm just going to say. No, no, no. I'm not saying you guys are replaceable. No, I'm kidding though. I'm kidding.

No, I'm just saying they're not. They're Italians. They're Italians. Yeah. When you think of Rhode Island, people are stuck in the fact that it's very traditional, old, money. It's not. It's very- No, I agree with you.

I think people don't know that. Very pretty, like Italian women are very fun and with it and stuff. So I can see why they would... No, I don't think it's at all one replaces the other, but people really thought we're out because they think about Newport and the mansions and old money, but it's really not like that. You go to a Providence bar, it is like fun. It's like a really, well, Boston people are fun, but they have a lot of like that glam and glitz and big boobs and gray hair and you know what I mean?

They're just fun women. So- I mean, are we shocked that Bravo is actually still bringing new cities to the table at this point? Like they're still- No, I feel like there's so many cities that are undiscovered. Like you talked about Rhode Island and it's like,

yeah, I had this picture of Rhode Island, but I shouldn't have because like Shayna Mokler is from Rhode Island. And so I'm like, of course that's the type of woman. And like that would be an actually fun city. And I think there's all types of cities in America around the world that are like that, that you go to a bar at night and, and Newport or Providence and like,

it is rocking. They dance, they sing, they love to vote. They love to eat. They love to know it's that thing. You know what I mean? Very family, family, very Catholic, lots of Italian Catholic. So you get it, that they're gonna, I mean, listen, I think they'll always keep rolling them out.

I'm surprised there's not more, right? I think this is- I was always shocked there's not a Palm Beach or Boca. Yes! That I'm still waiting for the Boca housewives or the Palm Beach housewives. Where are they at, right? I'm shocked.

I think that sometimes the husbands, personally, cause I do know a woman who lived in a place where they were like recruiting women and she got very far along into the process. And then they were like the husband front and was like, absolutely not. And I, you know, again, I don't know what he does for work, but I just think he realized like, I don't want to be under any sort of scrutiny. You're not doing this show. And so I think sometimes the husbands play a role in that. Oh, well, they always run the husbands are going to be very involved. I think the reason why a lot of these shows that they bring on that don't like we just had with New York, the new New York is that, you know, you got to

really feel like they know each other and they're invested in each other and invest each other's lives and they really hang out outside of the thing. And I think these are those women. I think that's the biggest struggle for a show. It's gotta feel authentic to the audience, right? And Jersey is very authentic to the audience, right? We know the families, we see what you eat, we see, we know the kids.

That's what the audience loves. And I think the old New York was like that too, because we all knew each other for so long. So I think that's what's gonna be interesting. And it's a small community like Salt Lake. So everybody knows each other. I do like a small community because I feel like there's closer ties.

Someone knew someone, they saw you do something they shouldn't have seen you do. And someone knows someone's mother and they're invited and they're married to my cousin. There's a lot of that stuff that goes on. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

No, I'm actually, I'm very, I love that Bravo is still rolling them out because it kind of shows like, oh, you think we're declining? No, we're not. We're just getting started. And, you know, and they are, I know everyone always asks me about this with Jersey. They are, they're recasting Jersey right now. They are, they're out there looking. They have been, I know so many people that have this with Jersey. They're recasting Jersey right now. They're out there looking. I know so many people that have interviewed for Jersey.

Yeah, they're recasting New York. It's not canceled. They're recasting crazily, I heard, New York. I will say a lot of the men, I feel like I know this goes for Jersey and probably for all the cities, the men are the ones, the wives are kind of like, let's do this. And they're like, yeah, no. A lot of them, a lot of the very affluent ones as well are just like hell to the no. Well, that's why it was very hard for New York to, you know, because a lot of the men, like when I was married to Richard, I couldn't be on. Like it would hurt, you know, he was a Taylor Clinton speechwriter and Geraldine Farrell,

you know, so like it didn't work. And so, and just not the mindset. So I think in New York, it worked for us not to have the husbands around, you know what I mean, or have a husband around because it's hard, it would have been almost impossible to find someone. I know a lot of the girls that were asked in New York City, but the husbands were like, no, I work for Goldman Sachs. I can't, no.

You know what I mean? Right. And they're just like, you can't, you're going to make a fool, somebody's going to throw a drink on you. You're going to take it, we're going to lose our lives. I'm going to lose my job. I'm going to lose my $5 million a year job. No.

You know what I mean? It's true. But I will say that the Housewives did have taken a turn for the better and just bravo NBC as a total. Like no, they're not accepting what they used to accept. The world has changed. I feel like the network has changed with the world where it's not acceptable anymore. We're not clapping when you do ridiculous things.

When you do something horrible, you're out. And I appreciate that. I actually think what they're doing now- I don't know if that's true, is it? I mean, a lot of the time- I think we're interviewing a lot of people that may be just coming out of the clink right now when we may be seeing them back on TV. So I don't know if you consider her a little- Really?

Okay, so I'm just going to shut my mouth. I'm just going to shut up so that- We just have to find the- you just have to find the right horrible thing to do. Right. Well, that's what I'm saying. It has to be the right horrible thing to do. Right, well that's what I'm saying. It has to be the proper wrong thing. As long as it's like the right wrong thing. Okay, this is my last question.

Last question for you guys. Do any of you, just tell me anything you can about Jax and Brittany. What are your thoughts on this? Like what are you guys thinking? I think Jax is just a messed up narcissist that just doesn't care about anything. And I think he's probably got problems and demons

that he has to deal with. I don't really believe that anything he's done in the rehab and the this and the talk, I think there's a lot of talk and no action. We've all been with those men. I promise you, I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today. You know what I mean? I don't think he's done anything. And I wish that Brittany would, I think she's in an abusive relationship. I think she's a drama victim.

I think the one of the most telling things was when Jack said on the after show one time, he said, for the first time going to this, you know, facility, I had to take accountability, which I don't know if that's necessarily what happened, but he said, all my life, I've never had to take accountability. He said from even as a child, I've never had to take accountability. And that said a lot that met his parents basically let him get away with whatever. And as he's he continued his life, it's always continued. And right now we see it's also happening. Like, I just think he knows that there aren't really consequences when to his actions. And so I think he will continue to behave this way until the end of time.

But even saying that, I think his next statement was, and she hasn't even written to me. I mean, I've been here and I haven't even gotten a note from her. I mean, you know, why isn't people care about me? There's a level of narcissism that he just, narcissisms are really, it's very me, me, me, you know, Jackson and I know these guys, they can shoot you, you know, in the arm and then yell at you because you got blood on their couch. Yes. I know a lot of those kinds of people that is, I do see him as that, but I feel like, I mean, he's now trying to tell us all, but I feel like I always said he's eventually

going to come out and say, it's time for rehab, it's time for something. I said when he falls hard enough, he's going to do exactly what he's doing right now. So I mean, we'll see where that goes. Obviously, they have a child together. Listen, I wish them well, but I don't think I wish them well together. I think Brittany needs to go off and find someone that's gonna invest in her dreams and health and wellbeing.

Cause you can tell she's like a cat on the hot tin roof. Always checking her messages, always doing this. You know what I mean? Like let it go. And I don't believe in this excuse, well, they have a son together. Abuse is abuse as abuse related unrelated. If you're not treating the mother well, then you got to go.

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