On Display with Melissa Gorga - Rewind: Rumor Has It (w/ Deuxmoi)

Episode Date: May 30, 2024

With all the rumors swirling around the latest season of RHONJ, now is a great time to revisit a chat from about a year ago. You know…just in case some things make a little more sense now.  Melissa is joined by the queen of celebrity gossip, Deuxmoi, to talk about all the latest juice in and outside the world of Bravo; from secret open marriages, to crazy rumors about Melissa, to the things that are not-so-hidden under the rug. Deuxmoi also tells us how she got her start, how she spots a planted story from a mile away, and how she surprisingly goes out of her way to protect the celebrities she hears about.  This week's sponsor: PlutoTV - Free, Streaming Television: Pluto.tv

There is a housewife rumor that somebody has an open marriage and I need to know who it is. Hey everyone, it's me Melissa Gorga. Thanks so much for coming back to On Display this morning. I hope all you mothers out there had the best Mother's Day weekend. I had a really great weekend. It was actually very low-key. I went down to my shore house. We spent the night down there and then we saw my sisters the next day. We were just hanging by her pool in the backyard with my mom, my sisters, and all the little

babies. You guys know I have a huge family. I always have. I think about it from when I was young, and I'm like, I have always had such a large family of cousins and aunts and uncles. This is never a dull moment when we're with my family. There's always so many people around.

But anyway, we had a really, really good, we had a really good Mother's Day. Low key, we needed it because we've been running around like crazy. I don't know if you guys saw, I know so many of you reach out to me on Instagram about Antonia choosing Delaware, the University of Delaware. So that was super excited this weekend because she chose what college she wants to go to and she had so many to pick from. I was so impressed with her because she really did get into so many great colleges. She got into Rutgers. She got into Penn State. She got into Tampa. She got into Charleston or South Carolina. All of the like so many. I can't even remember half of them, but she

loved Delaware. We went to visit it. It was so quaint and charming and two and a half hours away, which I kind of like because it's far enough away where she's not going to be coming home every day to bring me her laundry. But it's close enough that if I need to get to her and we need to get her home, we don't have to jump on a plane. So I'm actually really, really, really excited about that for her. And she's so ecstatic. I can't believe that I have a senior. I don't even know how to even explain the feeling. And you know what? I don't think it's really hit me much that this is all happening until I did this bed party that you guys saw on Instagram, which is like the new thing that like all the moms

are doing. I guess, you know, the kids really do it for their friends also. So all of the kids get something with the logo on it from the, from the college they pick like the sweat pants or the hat or whatever it might be. And they come and they put everything on the bed and it's just like a surprise party to just, and now it's, you know, everything's for social media guys these days, right? It's crazy. I'm like to just, and now it's, you know, everything's for social media guys these days, right? It's crazy. I'm like, what is this now that we're doing a bed party?

I actually had one of the moms text me today and we're like, are we decorating the seniors cars on Friday? I'm like, huh? What? I just decorated a bed. Now we're gonna decorate the cars for the college. There's just like so many things that we didn't do

back in the day. But I do wanna say this real quick. It did not hit me that my child is really going to leave and like not be home by the end of August. And until I went to write that Instagram caption when she had the bed party this weekend, I started to write it and I started sobbing. I couldn't believe it. Like the tears were running down my face. It just made

it so real that it was actually going to happen and that she was going to leave and she's moving out of my house. I just want to say this to Antonia, if you're out there and you're listening, that I love you so much. I am so proud of you. Your father and I could not be more proud of the human you are, of the lady you are, of the good person you are, and how hard you had to study and try to get into all these places. I know it doesn't come easy for you and you work really, really hard for it. And I love you for that. And I am just so proud of you. So moving on from all my personal stuff, because I don't want to start crying again, I have an awesome guest for you guys today.

She's the queen of celebrity gossip. She's the host of the podcast, Do You? And she's the author of one of the best books from last year, Anon, Please. Ladies and gentlemen, I have with me, Dumois. Hey, girl. Hi, Melissa Gorga. Thank you so much. I'm so excited. I'm like dying. I've told all my friends, like, because we're all such huge Housewife, New Jersey Housewife fans, like from day one. Like, I'm talking like Caroline Manzo, Deena Man, like,

I know it all. I've been there since day one with you. Like I'm talking like Caroline Manzo, Deena Man. Like I know it all. I've been there since day one with you. Like I am so excited to talk to you. All my friends are so jealous. Now we hear I love it. Yeah, I know. Wait, I have to ask you, is there like a housewives podcast war going on right now? And how do we like we get your podcasts in on the war now? Like, is there like, anything we could say to like get you in on the war? I think there's like a little war going on. Have you heard about what it is? So let me just tell you a lot of these housewives they use their podcasts right to get that like You know to get the headline so that people click and listen and do the whole thing. I try not listen

I do that all day long I do that for a living right when we're on the show I try to separate my podcast a little bit from being like complete complete gossip because You know what? I I talk about health. I talk about fitness. I try to give you like the unfiltered Melissa Gorga that's like outside sometimes of the Real Housewives of New Jersey. And, you know, I try to be educational sometimes. But no, I know what you're saying. They do go to war sometimes. But I actually enjoy and I always listen on every podcast we're touching on the Real Housewives of New Jersey. We're talking gossip. You know, there's definitely, definitely some podcasts more than others that I do.

But overall, I don't like to get into like the nitty gritty, really dirty atmosphere that I have to do for Bravo. Does that make sense? Yeah, that makes total sense. Like I saw the headline about Tamara and Teddy. And also like I kind of have like a little beef with Tamra because she canceled on my live Spotify show an hour before she was supposed to go on. Did she really?

Yeah, she canceled an hour before she was supposed to go on and then she ghosted my producers. That's so weird. And they're Spotify. It's like why are you why are you like being so unprofessional with Spotify? It's not like it was was me myself producing the show. It was like a Spotify show and she ghosted my producers. She said she had an emergency, totally fine and understandable, but don't ghost the producers.

Do you know what I mean? Yes. I am shocked because I've done actually a bunch of things with her. I've done commercials with her. I mean, I've been on her podcast a couple of times. She's been on mine. I've done, I've just throughout the years of being on Housewives and she's always been actually easy to work with and professional. So I'm in shock that that happened. That's so weird and odd. It left a really bad taste in my mouth. And I have to tell you, like, obviously,

doing what I do, I've come in contact with a lot of different housewives from a lot of different cities and she is like the only one that has left like a really bad taste in my mouth because of that like everyone else has been so nice all the New Jersey girls are so nice like I don't know how they are with the other accounts but there's so every all of them even the people that like, you know Aren't fan favorite favorites. I don't want to name names but like yes. Yes, you know, there's no one known for that We're known we are known to be easy to work with the Jersey girls believe it or not We are like I think anyone at Bravo would say that we're the most polite and the most easy to work with is that crazy? No, I don't think that's crazy at all

and I actually agree with you because like I also get obviously in my position like so much gossip about Production and the different cities and the different shows and I would agree with that like I don't Get that much about New Jersey Just if there was a scandal then like my emails will start revving up but on the in the off season and like just random stuff I don't get that much stuff about New Jersey. Yeah, because I'm going to ask you, you know, that's coming, you know, and as far as the podcast go, you know, listen, if someone starts a war with me, like I'm going to finish it and I'm going to use this podcast to like answer it and finish the war. But I'm not trying to like purposely jump into the mud. Right? Because I feel like

there's a fine line. Yeah, I feel like listen, like I Teddy Melloncamp is a nice lady. I told you my beef with Tamara, but I feel like they're always like, they're always out there like tussling. They're always tussling with like the girls and it's like, I guess like good for them. Like if that's what you need to do to, you know, get your podcasts in the headlines, like keep doing it. But I don't know. It's just like so weird to me. Like they started with Teresa and like I didn't really like understand like what that was all about. And it's like, I don't know. It just, it seems like very odd. And then you have Bethany Frankel like in the corner just like commenting on everything. And I don't know

like who the hell she's like blowing over at page six that they put her like on on every single headline. She literally sneezes and they'll like write an article about it. I asked them once too. I was like, What deal does Bethany Frankel have with you guys? And they were they were like, our readers just really liked reading about her. Like she doesn't have a deal. Like they generally are interested in like things that she has to say. And it's just so wild to me because she does the littlest things.

Basically what I'm trying to say, yeah, is like I wish other housewives like would be in the headlines. Like where's Dolores Catania? Like why can't we get a Dolores Catania like page six article? I know you know what I feel like page six Does a lot with me also for some reason and I'm not saying it's always good either like every time I turn around I'm like really like every time I turn around and I think Jersey the Jersey girls I believe really sell for them, to be honest, because it's,

we're constantly on page six, like all the time. So I don't know, listen, what I do know and what I want my listeners to know, you really are the queen, by the way, of celebrity gossip. And you always seem to be in the know because if anyone doesn't know out there, there is an amazing Instagram account, it's Jumah, right? And so she will get anonymous, like, just like what?

Messages, anonymous messages, giving her the latest gossip, the latest news, telling her where celebs are dining, where they're eating, where they saw someone kissing in the corner, who's doing cocaine on the table in the back room, who's fired, who's not fired. You get all the juicy gossip. I need to know before we get into all of this, how did this start for you? I need to know how this got started. Okay.

So it started really the same way a lot of people in my position right now have started, which was during quarantine, when we were all, you know, I had a job, I had a career. I've had a career in fashion for many, many years. And I live in New York City and all of New York City was ordered to stay home from work. And then people started getting fired and companies started laying off, you know, like large quantities of employees. And I was at home terrified of the future. You know, I was like, what's going to happen? Like, what's going to happen to our lives? What's going to happen to New York City? What's going to happen

to the fashion industry? So as a distraction, I turned to an old Instagram account that I had. It had about 35,000 followers. It was an Instagram account that I started back in 2013. It had nothing to do with celebrity gossip. And because I was home and I needed a distraction, I posted to those 35,000 followers, like, why don't you guys send in any celebrity anecdotes or encounters that you've had over the years? And people were sending in stuff that happened five years ago, 10 years ago. It wasn't like it is now. It wasn't breaking news. It wasn't like, who's dining at what restaurant or who's dating who, because everyone was home. So there wasn't any, there wasn't a new news cycle. So people were just sharing stories

of their encounters with celebrities over the years. And it just caught on. People were also home alone and bored and not working. And, you know, they needed something to do. So they were reading my Instagram account. They were submitting stories and that's literally how it started. And then as quarantine was lifted

and the world started going back to normal, then I started getting the sightings. It was like Hugh Jackman's, you know, spotted at Dante in the West Village, or like, you know, Justin Bieber at Bar Pity. And I was posting those sightings because I wanted people to know that it was like, okay, to go back out and go to restaurants and go shopping. And the economy was like suffering so bad during that time.

I mean, it still is, but like specifically, like restaurants were shutting down left and right. Retail stores were just closing like blocks in New York City were like shut down. So I was like, Wow, like maybe if I post these sightings and show people that it's, you know, safe to go to restaurants again, because celebrities are going, you know, people will feel uncomfortable dining out. And that's how sighting started. And then people just kept the more the more

I kept posting, the more people kept sending in. And that was literally like, two years, three years ago. So it's been doing this for three years. And it just turned into a business. Like as the account grew, I started to get business offers, I started to get an offer to write a book. And then HBO bought my book and they're going to turn it into a one hour drama series, you know, with the writer's strike that's kind of up in the air right now, but they did buy the rights to the book Anomalies that you mentioned before. And the book is a fictional account of everything that I'm explaining right now.

And then I started doing merch. Yeah, it like it just, you know, I used it as an opportunity. I saw an opportunity to start a business Literally, like that's what I saw and I just ran with it and oh my god Well, you ran like in the right direction for sure The fact that you did this over kovat and I'm sure people were just sending like hey, I saw Bon Jovi back in 2010 and he was rude to me in the line at the bathroom. It was like things like that. Right? Yeah. Yeah. It was like, I saw Melissa and Joe Gorgia, like in Tom's River, like, you know, in 2018. And you know, they were so nice. It was like

stuff like that. Right? I mean, it wasn't anything. It wasn't anything current at the time, like, the account really has transformed. and now it is a lot of breaking news, and it is a lot of things that are happening currently because we're, as a society, we're more back to normal. But that's not how it started, and I don't think a lot of people know that. I go with the flow. I go with what the audience wants, what they wanna know about. If people stop sending me incitings tomorrow,

then that would stop. I just go with what everyone wants to read. Yeah, you are literally, like right now, so it started like that, right? But right now you're literally breaking news before TMZ breaks news and they have hundreds of people working for them. I mean, could you ever imagine that you were going to be the go-to gossip in this like

crazy celebrity world that there is? Literally, you will tell us before TMZ tells us that it's happening. And to me, that is like, it's baffling. And I personally know that I would look I know you you do a lot on Sundays, right? So like on a Sunday, I feel like you put more out there or maybe like whatever happened throughout the week. Is that how that goes? Um, I hold all the sightings for Sunday. So I hold all like the restaurant hotel, like

shopping sightings for Sundays so that they're not posted in real time just out of a safety precaution for celebrities. So that's why on Sunday there's so many sightings. But yes. Which is nice because you're not giving it in real time. So you're not letting everyone know, hey, Julia Roberts right now is sitting at Carbone. No, absolutely not. Yes, no, I definitely wait. And if it is something like, for example, like I broke Bad Bunny and Kendall Jenner dating because somebody saw them at a private club in LA

making out really late on a Saturday night. And I waited, I waited hours. Like I was dying to post that one. Because I was like, you could, because now it's like a race, you know? Cause it's like TMZ might post it first. That's happened to me. A lot of that, that just happened to me with Maddie Healy

and Taylor Swift dating. Entertainment Tonight, I think they were the ones who posted it, oh no, sorry, they posted the breakup. I'm not sure, oh, The Sun. The Sun posted Taylor Swift and Maddie Healy dating and I had had it on my podcast. I recorded it on a Tuesday. It wasn't coming out till Thursday

and The Sun posted it on Wednesday. So now it is like a race, you know, when I get this news, but at the same time I do want to be cognizant of like a celebrity's privacy. I know that sounds ridiculous because I'm spilling their secrets, but I do try to be cognizant of time and where they are and I don't want to put anyone in danger.

So yeah, it gets stressful. And to your point, I say to my siblings all the time, I can't believe I'm fucking doing this from my couch and my phone. There are hundreds of- I can't wait, by the way, I can't believe I'm fucking doing this from my couch and my phone there are By the way, I can't either from like I think you're you're saying to me because I know it's like a Bible It's like a damn Bible the way you love the Real Housewives of New Jersey. I love Dumas It's so crazy. It's crazy But I have to tell you that's something that I really do love about you that you use discretion and you're always smart about

Protecting the safety of the celebs. I mean that's big of you. Thank God. You're a good human, right? And you probably I'm sure you've gotten plenty of things that were so absurd that you haven't even put out there I'm sure you have yeah, I mean all those things I've gotten stuff about you. That's absurd. think I've- Oh my God, come on. I'm sure you get so much about me. There was, no, there was a period of time and it was around the time I went on Andy Cohen's radio show like last year or the year before and somebody was sending in emails about you.

I'm not going to say what they were. I'm sure that you've heard the rumor because I'm sure this person also reached out to the Bravo fan accounts and there are certain fan accounts that will just post anything. And I even said to Andy on the radio show, I said someone is out to get Melissa Gorga because they keep sending me this email and it's the same email and they keep sending it over and over to make sure that I see it because my email gets submitted through an anonymous website. It gets filtered through my website. It's not direct. And unless you submit that email, you fill out a form. And

unless you submit that email with the real email address, I have no idea who sends it. So this person was sending it over and over to make sure that I saw it. And I never posted it because I was like, this is so crazy. Like why are they out to get Melissa Gorga? No, you don't even know. I've, I've heard things that like I've seen tech talks that my child is not mine. That's so ridiculous. People have asked me about that.

I'm like, come on. Are you kidding me? No, or not mine. No, I'm sorry that he's mine. I guess he's not Joe's maybe. I don't know. Yeah. The things that, and all of my shit is so outlandish. It's so crazy

it's like very obvious like you said that there's just a Group of people or someone out there that just will not stop and it's always like down and dirty and it's weird because It never so in lines with like my real life or like what's going on? It's no are left that it's crazy. It's so weird. And it got to the point where I think that I asked a producer, I'm like, is this true? Why is this person trying to get this information out there?

And the producer was like, no, this is so ridiculous. And I have to just say, I don't know the status of you and Teresa right now, but I think they even said this on Andy like if this is not Teresa like or you know Anyone close to her sending it in I could tell by the way it's worded right? It's not like you know I don't even think it's anyone on the show to be honest. It's recent No, this this is like a couple This was like last year when they were sending out this specific piece of information over and over.

Oh, over and over and over and over. Yeah, like I could tell by the way it's worded, like sometimes you could tell like, by the way things are worded, the type of person that's sending it, if that makes sense. And just how they're wording it and how they're saying it, it was just really, really bizarre. Really bizarre.

They send from anonymous emails. Is that how that goes? Yes. This particular one, they sent from anonymous emails. They never DMed me because with a DM, it's kind of like you're having a conversation with someone, right? You can go back and forth like it's text. They never DMed me. They always just submitted it anonymously through my form on my website. So I couldn't even like have a conversation with the person being like, why are you sending this over and over? Like it's so it seems so outlandish to me. And I could tell you off air what it said if you want. But it just was so crazy. Go ahead, tell me in case I want to hear.

Okay. It said that you were having a lesbian affair with one of the producers we a lesbian affair with a producer on the show yeah with a woman oh my god are you kidding me right now no I'm dead serious that's what I'm saying and what they said over and over and over and over. Yeah, they said it like four times in a row or like two times between a couple days or like in a week, like a couple times just to make sure that I see it because I get so many emails this way. So things get lost.

I mean, people have done that before the sending over and over. Whenever I mean, that's obviously a red flag. When somebody does that. I'm like, okay, why are you trying to push this like I'm not gonna post it besides the fact I wasn't gonna post it anyway, but like I'm definitely not gonna post it now that you're like trying to shove it in my face That you're like not stop me. I mean that is so absurd by the way I know but like this is the world I live in you know, it's like this is what I know That like it's so crazy me and a lesbian producer

Okay, that would go over really well with Joe and I mean, it's it's crazy I know that's just probably one of the funniest things I've ever heard Yeah, that's the craziest thing that I've gotten about New Jersey. That's the craziest thing that Yeah I'm surprised with all of these new like house husbands and they all there's a lot of new ones right because there's a lot of new husbands there's Dolores has a new man there's new house husbands because we got two new

girls I mean with all of these guys you're telling me you don't get any craziness on these guys. No I get stuff on the guys but that that stuff is believable. I'm talking about with you, like, yours was the craziest, meaning like, it was so crazy, I didn't believe it. The stuff I get on Louie, like, that stuff is believable. Like, there's something off about him.

And Teresa, let me tell you something, let me just say something. My favorite parts of Housewives are when you and Teresa are getting along. Like, I am not team Teresa or team Melissa, like, I'm team you guys getting along. So anything I say about Louie is not because I don't like Teresa.

I love her. I just think there's something off about him. I don't know if it's just bad editing. I know people love to blame that, but there's something not right about him. I was having a conversation with my best friend today and we were like, of course Joe Gorga and him wouldn't get along. Like there's something like not right. Like there's something like in his eyes that's like off. Like, you know, you don't have to say yes or no, but it's very

telling when you watch the season. He's a fucking ticking time bomb. Yeah, it's like it's it's it's it's a lot and it was a lot to digest I think that in the beginning I Wasn't sure I always had a little feeling something seemed off to me But I was very open-minded in the beginning and then as it went on and went on I don't think I need to speak I think you could just keep watching. And when you watch the finale and the reunion, I think you will be really clear, like super clear.

So yeah, it's a lot and it's unfortunate. And you know what? I agree with you. I prefer to be getting along with my sister-in-law. That's my Joe's only sister, you know, so for me, that's, that's a sweet spot. That's where it would be nice but it takes two or four in this situation and You know, you can only take so much right before it's just so toxic and you try so hard for so many years But whatever I don't want to talk about any of that stuff because you know, that's that's that's like real life makes me miserable shit

So I don't want to talk about that. No. Yeah, I know I Real life makes me miserable shit. So I don't want to talk about that. No. Yeah, I know. I, I see it. You can see like you're, you're generally like getting so emotional this season. And yeah, I just, I love when you guys are friends and like you guys are joking around and it's unfortunate, but, but I do, I did want to ask you about Louie because like it,

it is there. I can't put my finger on like what it is. Like, I don't want to speak on Somebody's mental health, but it's just like something Something I know and you know what I will Know I'll say this in this day and age the more you hide the more people feel the need to look under the rug And what's under the rug doesn't make any of us feel good, you know, so it's just That's that. Okay.

Let me ask you this about like, I know you don't only get like housewives gossip, you get major, major, major celeb gossip like Leonardo DiCaprio and big, big, huge stars. What is like the biggest gossip that you've ever broke? Like what is one of your biggest things that you were right about that you told everyone before and then it came out? Okay. Let me think like recently, um, bad bunny and Kendall, um, Kylie Jenner and Timothy Chalamet dating, which some people are still, you know,

not so quick to believe because there hasn't really been a clear picture of them together, but I can tell you they are 100% dating. I'm trying to think what else. I mean, I will tell you that when the account shifted, when I was talking to you earlier about like how it started and then how it transformed in 2021 was really when it started to change and I started to get breaking news and in January of 2021 alone I think I was the first to report about um Olivia Wilde and Harry Styles dating because someone had sent me in a blind item about them attending a wedding together. And then those paparazzi pictures were released the next day. So I posted the blind item before the paparazzi pictures were released. So that was one thing that I posted first. Zoe Kravitz

and Channing Tatum dating, posted that in that same month. Kim and Kanye, I think there were whispers about them getting divorced, but I'm pretty sure that I was like on the cusp of being one of the first people to start talking about their divorce. What else? On the note of rumored relationships, what about Tom Brady and Kim Kardashian? Are you getting anything? Are you hearing anything about this? Yeah. I mean, well, I talked about it on my podcast last week, and I, like, made a video, and a lot of people watched it.

So now, of course, like, Page Six had a report on it today. Tom's reps say that there's nothing romantic going on, but I will tell you what I heard. I heard that she was looking for a vacation home in the Bahamas where he has a vacation property, and they were in touch because of that. So they were talking, you know, I never really, I never said that they were dating. And then of course, like, you know, the internet gets pulled up like a little bit and they, you know, take it to the next level. So I had, I had said, and I think I was one of the first people to say they were talking, they were texting, they were talking

about this vacation property, about what it would look like. She was helping him, he was helping her. He had told someone in his life when they asked like, hmm, what's going on with you and Kim? He kind of was like, you know, gave them like the eyes, like, oh, you know, she's nice and she's hot and she, you know, we have a lot in common.

I think he said that they had a lot in common. And that's all I reported. And then that spun into dating rumors. And then of course, page six put something out today. Tom's reps said that there's nothing romantic going on between them. But I never really thought that there was anything a hundred percent romantic.

I think maybe they're both single. This is the thing, people don't realize that celebrities are just like us. You meet a guy, you start flirting, you exchange numbers. That doesn't mean you're dating. That doesn't mean you're boyfriend and girlfriend. Do you know what I mean? They do the same things, celebrities that we do like that. I know this and a lot of people don't think that they think it's like you know they're insecure they date they look they think someone's hot just the way the next person does right it's like the same it's the same vibe I don't know that I can see the two of them together though I don't know why maybe because she's just like different than Giselle

right so like I don't know what his type is. But they're just, I don't know that if I can see them together, can you? What do you think? I think that they're both business people. I think that they're both parents. Hard workers. Yeah. And I, I don't know. Why do I want to say Tom Brady's religious? You know, the Kardashians are very religious. Right? Tom Brady religious? I don't know if he is. That might be something else they have in common. I don't know. Yeah, I say why not? Like, why wouldn't they, you know, have fun? I mean, Tom Brady seems to have that like Derek Jeter team where he's very crafty about like what gets out to the public. That's what I think.

100%. I 100% agree with you, especially since now that he's single and he's going to be paired with everyone under the sun. I got a tip that something was going on between him and Reese Witherspoon about a month ago. I reported on that and her publicist was very quick to shoot that down and to even go as far as to say they never met, now they've met. I mean, give me a break. They also own vacation homes near each other. And they also, I think, belong to the same country club

in Brentwood or something like that. So they've met. But maybe it was the same thing. Maybe they had met, they were texting. That doesn't mean they're dating or that they're boyfriend and girlfriend. It's just like, when people hear these things about celebrities, they go from zero to a hundred. And it's not always like that. They think they're like a couple within two seconds.

Like they're probably just talking, dating and seeing if they even want to like go further. And we automatically want to make them a couple like within seconds. Exactly. So yeah, so if Tom and Kim were were doing that 100% I believe that. So for his rep to go on record and say there's they're not romantically involved, that also could be true. Both could be true. Do you know what I mean? So it's like you have to just learn how to read past the headlines and read what they're saying. Not take it for faith value. They say money can't buy love, but it turns out you just have to wait till the end for the check to come. We trade uncomfortable truths for comfortable lies, imaginary solutions to real problems.

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has an open marriage and I need to know who it is. Oh, I think that was about Kim Zolziak and Roy. Oh, oh, really? Yeah, I think that's what that's who was about. I think somebody had sent me a blind item. Now this wasn't this again, like I was explaining to you earlier, this was sent through my form on my website. So it was sent anonymously. I have no idea who sent it. And it said it said that they had hooked up with this housewives husband a couple of times. And they've hooked

up with someone outside of the like they've hooked up together with someone else Yeah, like this person writing in Hold on. Let me this person writing in to me said that they had hooked up with a house husband, oh Wow and they had suggested that there was an open marriage and the pseudonym because so so people don't and they had suggested that there was an open marriage and the pseudonym because so so people don't

Use their real names and real emails like I was saying so they use pseudonyms and like fake emails and either the pseudonym Or the subject of the email was like wiggy wig So they were trying to give us hints that it was about you know, Kim Zolciak is known for her wigs, right? So I don't even know how they would have time to have multiple sex partners. They have so many freaking kids I think maybe they were broken. Maybe they were broken up longer than We know, you know I mean I i'm i'm Shocked still about all of that and I do think that has to do with the fact that just like things were going under over there a little bit. And I think it probably drew a lot of

stress to the marriage. And it's just, you know, at the end of the day, it was always like a big circus with a TV show and lots of kids and activity. And then when things got quiet, I don't know, maybe they looked at each other and said, shit, like this isn't going to work out when it gets quiet is when you really see like if this really if the relationship is going to be there if it's not or if you're really into that person, when people are busy and you're just go go go go go go go and there's a lot going on and you're famous and you have a hit show on Bravo and you're this and you're that you almost don't have time to like just sit and look at each other and decide if we're

If they were meant to be and maybe that's what happened. I don't know I mean people are also saying that she already has like a new sugar daddy So I'm right there, you know and plus I haven't gotten that I don't I haven't heard that but who knows and you know They have tax issues. So maybe the money ran out right, you know Croydon look as pretty and shiny anymore. Who knows? You know, like I think that they have a very unconventional, interesting relationship to begin with.

I don't know. Obviously, I'm speaking as someone who doesn't know either of them, but that's just my interpretation of the relationship as an outsider. But this is, let me, I could read you what the message said. It said, this former housewife's favorite is in an open marriage. I was hooking up with her husband for a few months on and off. And the email they used, which is obviously a fake email, don't be tardy at the party.com. Oh, well, there you go.

Okay. Yeah. And then the pseudonym was wiggy wig. So this was sent to me back in December of 2022. And I just posted it thinking like, okay, it's obviously about, I knew who it was about, but I was like, maybe they're having problems. And then cut to, you know, four months later,

they announced a divorce. So sometimes this happens where somebody sends in something anonymously and then it winds up coming true months later. Now, do I think that you're gonna come out on the scene with a lesbian? No, a lot of times it also doesn't happen, but sometimes it happens, right? Listen, I I don't know. I've had definitely I've definitely see myself on your site Just you mentioning that I was here that I was there that I was at Carbone or whatever it was

Do you know at one point? I thought that you were I was like a shit publicist because Through you is how we found out a lot of like which restaurants we should go to as well Do you know what I'm saying cuz I'm like, oh who is that that restaurant? It must be good Like I need to check it out Yeah, well I didn't, I didn't know. I didn't know other celebrities did it, but yeah. Well, my followers do it. Yeah. That's another reason why I do Sunday Spotted is so people can know where to go.

And, um, you know, I will, I'll give, you know, your podcast as hot tips, you know, sneak peek. I have a big project coming out this fall that revolves all around restaurants and celebrities. That's going to make it a lot easier for people to do exactly what you're saying, to find a restaurant, see what celebrities have been there and be able to go to that restaurant. So stay tuned everyone. I love that. That's awesome. Because you're literally, you're like creating hotspots and you're showing people the places places to go because if you're saying oh, Kylie just left here or Kendall just left here or you know, Kim and Kanye

this and that they were eating dinner here then you know, for people who are out there that might not know these city restaurants or these LA restaurants or they're you know, they're like oh, let's go here because you know, I'm sure they have problems getting in it's not always easy to get these right. But yeah, but it's it's a really great advertisement for like, what's a good hotspot restaurant to go to. So like, I know a lot of friends that will look at your site and then be like, Oh, let's try this restaurant. So I love that. Like

a restaurant. You know what I learned? You know what restaurant I learned from you like through COVID? American Bar. I saw American Bar. A lot of people went there and then I love Kyle. Now I know the owner and I love him. He's so sweet. I love Kyle. I love Kyle. He's awesome. I love it there. I love him. So do you get like, just like getting back to you, do you get a lot of, is there anything out like obviously you you didn't give up the tip about me so there when you get them and they're like super crazy and you know they're not true you won't say it.

Exactly. Exactly. I mean, I mean, I'm not I'm not in the business of spreading misinformation just stuff I post turn out to be total bullshit and not true. Yes, of course. I'm not like, you know, I'm not a fortune teller. I'm not, you know, a psychic. I don't know everything that people send me anonymously if it's true or not. Sometimes I take that chance, but I try to post like low stakes gossip in that case. You know what I mean?

Something that's not gonna be harmful to somebody. Unless I know, you know, that as much as I can know that something's true. Yeah, I would never post that about you ever. And also, like, I do have to say, like, you know, back to what I was saying about Tamra, like, there's definitely, like, I'm a fan. So there's definitely people that, like, I personally like. So it's very hard for me to post negative things about those celebrities or those people.

That you personally like. Yes. It's really hard for me to post about those celebrities or those people. That you personally like. Yes, it's really hard for me to post about those people. And I do want to be fair because sometimes somebody will send me an encounter they had with a celebrity and they're really upset. Or if they worked with a celebrity that was so horrible. And I do want to be fair. I don't want to shut them out because I like that celebrity.

A perfect example of this is Blake Lively. I love Blake Lively. I'm a huge gossip girl fan. You know, people have sent me negative stuff about her, but it's really hard for me to post it. And you know, the same thing happens with the Housewives. Like I have my favorite Housewives cities. I have my favorite Housewives. I've been fan of for, how long have you been on?

Decades, like 15 years? How long have you been on The Housewives? 13 years. I started in, I started filming in 2010. My son was two months old. He's 13. So 13. That's so crazy. 13 years. It's insanity. Yeah. So it's like you grew like in a way like how you're growing up on TV, people have, you know, grown up watching you and it's like, you know, a comfort show. The Housewives franchise is a comfort

show for a lot of people. There's a lot of times where I'll put it on just to have noise in the background to hear you guys after I've watched an episode or something. Yeah, for sure. Would you ever have... So is there any celeb, has anyone ever DM'd you or reached out to you through their PR team and yelled at you or screamed at you or told you to take it down? Yes, but never yell or scream. They're always really, really nice. Yeah.

So that's good. A couple of times. Yeah, it hasn't happened a lot. A couple of times. I will tell you, it's funny that you asked that because the Housewives producers, they'll message me a lot and they'll be like, that's total bullshit. It usually has to do with casting stuff or like, you know, who's fired and who's not.

But, you know, and people, anonymous people love to get the audience riled up over those rumors. So once in a while, like, even though I know something like might not be true, if it's like so-and-so is cast or so-and-so won't be back Like I'll post it and then the producers will always be like this is so wrong. This is so this is so fake Yeah, yeah, like this is so crazy Yeah, well listen, do you get any casting rumors about the real high-size in New Jersey?

And the truth is I know I know the truth about it, but I'm just curious. Yeah, no, I mean Not lately when before you guys started this season. I did I thought that um tiki barber's wife was gonna be on more I thought she was gonna be a housewife. I got that a lot. Okay, um I don't Know I don't think I got I have to to remember. I think maybe everyone knew that, what's her name? The blonde was going to be a friend of Jackie, that she was going to be, is she a friend of, right? She's not. He's a friend of now. Yes. Yes.

I think we knew that. I didn't know about the two new girls. And I have to ask you, how do you feel about having people that are from Staten Island on the Housewives of New Jersey? You know, first of all, you know, Jackie is also from Staten Island. So it's like she is originally and now Danielle, and I hear it like sometimes Danielle when she gets mad or I think you're going to really see it on the finale this this this episode. She I mean, the Staten Island or whatever you want to call it like really comes out. And sometimes I'm like, okay, this is it's a Jersey show. It's got to be I like it to be authentic Jersey, right? But it can't always be

that because like, look, even in New York, they have this new cast and the girls are from so many they're from everywhere. You know what I mean? So I guess it is what it is. And at this point, at this stage in the game, it's not easy for Jersey to find Housewives. I'm just going to say that very open and honestly, like it is one of the hardest things to do. So it's just, it's a scary franchise to join. A lot of people are worthy and want it, but they won't do it with,

they won't be casted with certain cast members that we have. They're like, I'm not working with her. I don't want to jump on the show. Like it's a very, very hard show to cast. So we're just grateful when we find, or when Bravo finds any girls that kind of get in there and that are comfortable and not completely taken back

because it's just a strong, you know, it's a very strong family show. And obviously, Teresa and I kind of, you know, it gets rough to kind of find your own way in there, right? So we're always happy to get new people in. But, you know, it's a weird thing for me. I'm still getting to know. I mean, I knew one of the new girls from my son. They were friends. Our sons are friends. The other one, I'm still trying to get to know her. I get a little frustrated when people don't pave their own way and they get intimidated or they don't speak up or I almost feel like they speak up to please someone, but then they'll have

a private relationship with me on the side to me that's weak. So I'm not going to, I'm still trying to figure it all out. I feel like I need another season with all of the new girls to see what I feel about them. One season is never enough because you're just getting to know them. They don't say too much in the beginning because they're worried about how they're going to look or how they're perceived and they're a little bit more cautious like getting their feet wet. But I feel like you get to really know a new housewife in season two. That's when

like the gloves come off and you see who these people are. So I always get excited for their second season, not their first wait so you knew Rachel I knew Rachel yes, so we live. Yeah, yes, she's very smart she sassy we live in the same town our kids are best friends, you know my son, you know, and her son that she just adopted on the show our best friends and you know we live by each other we have sure houses by each other, our husbands are friends. So we actually have like a legit real connection with each other, which is good.

Yeah, I like her. I like I wasn't sure about her at first. Because again, with like the whole Staten Island thing, like I know you're saying like, yeah, like New York has people from all over, but that's different. Because I feel like New York is like, notoriously like a melting pot of different cultures and people. But New Jersey, you want Jersey girls. Do you know what I mean? You do because it's like there's something in the water in Jersey. It's like a specific girl. There's something in the water. Yeah, it definitely is. And Staten Island is not New Jersey. No

offense to Staten Island, but it's just not New Jersey. No offense. No, but it's a separate thing. Same with Long Island. Same with Long Island. It's not New Jersey. And they'd probably feel the same way about people from New Jersey, Staten Island and Long Island. So I just think maybe, yeah, I feel like unless you're from the tri-state area, you like don't get it.

So I don't, I know you're saying it's hard to cast, but maybe also like the producers like don't get it because they're not like from this area. But when I first saw the first episode of the season, I was like from Staten Island like why couldn't they find people from New Jersey? Yeah, I get it's hard to cast. I get it. I get it.

But I mean, listen, it was a great season. I cannot wait for the finale. I can't wait to see that. I have a reunion and the reunion. Oh can't wait to see that Irish party. And the reunion, and the reunion. Oh my God. Was it crazy? Crazy, yes. Yes, like beyond.

It's three episodes long. It is really, really crazy. So yeah, buckle up for that. But listen to me, I loved, loved having you on today. You are so much fun. You're so juicy. Like I really wanna see your face and know who you are I love that you're so creative and you don't show anyone but maybe one day will like meet for a drink. Yeah

We know people in common I'll say that we do okay, well, yeah But definitely keep up all the good work We love love love reading all of the things on your site and you give me like I like to drink my coffee on Sunday morning and see where all the big celebs went out to dinner and you know Where they were last night and all the fun things are doing so all my listeners Please make sure to check out her podcast. Do you it's a great listen and do more if you ever have a Spotify event in the future Hello, you know, you can call me. I'm gonna show up for you Thank you, I'm so happy I had you on today you were awesome. Thanks. Bye bye Bye. Pluto TV has over 300 channels and thousands of TV shows and movies for whatever mood you're

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