One Song - Wu-Tang Clan's "Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)"

Episode Date: November 6, 2025

Is Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) the most defining debut in hip-hop history? In this special One Song episode, Diallo and LUXXURY go beyond a single track to unpack how the Wu-Tang Clan built a grit...ty, cinematic world that unleashed rap’s most iconic supergroup. One Song Spotify Playlist Songs Discussed: “Protect Ya Neck” - Wu-Tang Clan “Funky Drummer (Parts 1 &2)” - James Brown “Devika (Goddess)” - Lonnie Liston Smith “Flash Light” - Parliament “Mic Checka” - Das EFX “True Fuschnick” - Fu-Schnickens “Ring the Alarm” - Fu-Schnickens “La Schmoove” - Fu-Schnickens “Bring Da Ruckus” - Wu-Tang Clan “Wu-Tang Clan Ain’t Nuthing ta F’ Wit” - Wu-Tang Clan “Maria Maria” - Santana feat. The Product G&B “C.R.E.A.M. (Cash Rules Everything Around Me)” - Wu-Tang Clan “As Long As I’ve Got You” - The Charmels “Method Man” - Wu-Tang Clan “Impeach the President” - The Honey Drippers “Hard to Handle” - Otis Redding “Rock The Bells” - L.L. Cool J “Flick of the Switch” - AC/DC “Brooklyn Zoo” - Ol’ Dirty Bastard “Break Your Promise” - The Delfonics “The Grunt” - The J.B.s “Rebel Without A Pause” - Public Enemy “Method of Modern Love” - Daryl Hall & John Oates “Set It Off” - Strafe “Get Off Of My Cloud” - The Rolling Stones “How High” - Redman & Method Man “Purple Haze” - The Jimi Hendrix Experience “Ice Cream” - Raekwon feat. Ghostface Killah, Method Man & Cappadonna “Shadowboxin’” - GZA feat. Method Man “All I Need (Razor Sharp Remix)” - Method Man feat. Mary J. Blige “Live At The Barbeque” - Main Source feat. Nas, Joe Fatal & Akinyele “Bring The Pain” - Method Man “Shimmy Shimmy Ya” - Ol’ Dirty Bastard “Daytona 500” - Ghostface Killah feat. Raekwon & Cappadonna “Triumph” - Wu-Tang Clan “Nowhere to Run, Nowhere to Hide” - Gravediggaz Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:06 All right, my friend. I love it. I'm done. Do I get to take a nap? Now I was up all night doing that shit. That was great. It's a luxury. Today, we're talking about a rough, rugged, and raw debut album
Starting point is 00:00:17 that introduced the world to 9 MC straight out of Shaolin. That's right, Giala. By incorporating elements of kung fu movies, comic books, and Saturday morning cartoons, this triple platinum album was able to capture the harsh realities of street life through a cinematic lens. Today, we're not just talking one song. We're talking one album.
Starting point is 00:00:35 And that album is Enter the... Wootang 36 Chambers by Wutang Clan. Watch this. Baby, baby, baby, baby, baby, come on. Baby, baby, baby, come on. What's going on, One Song Nation luxury here? And I'm Diallo, and we are so excited to share that we will be taping a live episode of our show
Starting point is 00:01:01 at On Air Fest this November. We could not imagine One Song live without you, our fans. So please join us on Wednesday, November 12th at KCRW in Santa Monica. For more information, please visit Onairpresents.com or go to the link in our bios. Can we wait to see you all there. I'm actor, writer, director, and sometimes DJ Diallo Riddle. And I'm producer, DJ, songwriter, and music college is luxury,
Starting point is 00:01:27 aka the guy who whispers, Interpolation. And this is one song. The show where we break down the stems and stories behind iconic songs across genres, telling you why they deserve one more listen. You will hear these songs like you've never heard them before, and you can watch one song on YouTube and Spotify. While you're there, please like and subscribe.
Starting point is 00:01:43 All right, Diallo, I know you're a huge Wu-Tang fan. When was the first time you've ever, ever heard them. Dude, I remember it clear as day. I think we were in my buddy at Torres Car, and our buddy Joe had just gotten back from Pratt, where he was studying in art school. And he was like, yo, I got this killer tape.
Starting point is 00:01:59 And he specifically said killer tape, which I didn't even know as a reference of something said on the album, but he was like, you've got to put this killer tape in. It's like some stuff you've never heard before. And from the second that it started, like it sounded like nothing that I had ever heard before, not just from hip-hop, but from anything. It was dark.
Starting point is 00:02:17 It was so dark. It was borderline like a horror movie. Like, it was like an audio landscape in hell. And I'll never forget, I asked everybody in the car as like, we got to like the second or third song. I was like, is this, is this hip hop? Like, that's how different it sounded from everything that came before. That's what? You thought it wasn't hip hop because of what?
Starting point is 00:02:37 It just didn't sound like hip hop. I think that we had gotten really used to a certain sound in hip, like there was always like the James Brown. We didn't know. We didn't talk in these terms. But looking back now, there was always like a James Brown drum break. There was a Lonnie Liston-Smith bass line and a lot of like the tribe stuff. They were looping up the funk and like the P-Funk and stuff. And that was not this at all.
Starting point is 00:03:07 It was like it had the street rap of like West Coast gangster rap. But there was no smoothness of like G-Funk in it. There was, you know, some of the grit that you would hear on the East Coast from producers like, DJ Premier, Daz effects. In researching this episode, I didn't even know this. Daz Effects produced their own songs. Shout out to Daz Effects. Like those were some of the first really dark 90s style, like hip hop songs that had forsaken
Starting point is 00:03:39 like sort of the sounds of like the 80s or even like the bomb squad with public enemy. And it just, it didn't sound like hip hop to me. Hip hop had always been dance music or at least party music, at least party music. And like if this was party music, and like if this was party. music, I don't know what kind of fucked up party we're at. That's interesting. The distinction you're making is that the darkness of the emotion that the music brought out was different from what you'd been hearing.
Starting point is 00:04:01 Yes. What hip hop had done for you previously. What you would use it for, so to speak. Like, what environment you'd be hearing it and the emotion it would rise. Yes. It would raise in you. Luxury, what about you? Were you listening to Wu Tang in the 90s?
Starting point is 00:04:12 I was a little late to Wu Tang. I caught up to them a little later, but like it's the sort of thing that like, I love the sound of this. I love the grid. I love the dirt. I loved hip hop. But I just, it was, it just, bypassed me. I bet you your relationship
Starting point is 00:04:23 with a little later. You'd a lot like my relationship with the misfits. You probably walked in the record stores. You saw the album covers and stuff. So you knew what you knew Wu-Tang was a thing, but you didn't know what they sounded about. Well, we're giving shout-outs to our friends. Like my buddy, I would go up to New York City on the Greyhound bus from D.C. And I would stay with my friend Gabe, who's working at BMG
Starting point is 00:04:39 records. And he had a Wu-Tang on his wall. He had a Wu-Tang post on his wall. He was listening to Fushnikens. He was big into Mobb Deep. He was the guy who, like, was into the New York hip-hop stuff. So, like, when I'd be hanging out with my buddy Gabe, shout out to Gabe, that's what I would be hearing and I'd be absorbing it.
Starting point is 00:04:53 But I never went down the deeper dive into it that I'm always- I'm so happy you brought up Fushnickens. Because I... He loved Fushnickers. Listen, no, I did too. I do love Fush-Nikas. Fush-Nikas, it should be said,
Starting point is 00:05:06 was like one of the first to incorporate Kung Fu-Mov movies. They were the first. I feel like they were the first. They had so many great songs. They had, I'm a true Fushnick. They had Ring the Alarm. They had La Shmoov.
Starting point is 00:05:22 Las Shmov. And we ain't got nothing to prove. They got nothing to prove. Uh-huh. And what's interesting, I'm glad you brought up also Fushnik because I went back and listened to Fushnik recently, and I will say that for whatever reason, their appropriation of Kung Fu movies and Asian culture in general,
Starting point is 00:05:46 it hasn't aged as well as Wu-Tangs. Like, it is very cringe. But, like, it is interesting to see how their stuff has not aged quite as well as Wu, even though both were popular at the time. But props to Foo for doing that. And I don't think it's a mistake that both Fushnikans and Wutang Clan are from New York.
Starting point is 00:06:07 Because this is what's interesting, I think, culturally, about New York. Kids are all watching Saturday morning cartoons. I wish Saturday morning cartoons are so thing. They are really not. That was the highlight of my life when I was a kid. Totally. Kids nowadays, they just watch whatever they want to.
Starting point is 00:06:20 When they want to. Familyhood, Spide, a man. Absolutely. 100%. But in New York specifically, Saturday morning cartoons, went into old kung fu movies. And so those kids were like getting a steady diet of like, you know,
Starting point is 00:06:34 the cartoons we were all watching and then into kung fu-foo movies. So, you know, it's just like that's something that both Fushnikens and Wutang incorporated into their music. But Wutang is darker, I would argue, than Fush-Nikins. And it's not an accident that this album feels like a movie. I felt like if the Riz had been born in another city, like say Los Angeles, he might have been a filmmaker instead of a rapper because he was clearly using the audible space as his canvas as his big screen, his 70mm meter vista vision screen.
Starting point is 00:07:09 Like his score. It's like a score. It's like he's creating a score with no visuals. The visuals are in your mind. Right, right, right. You mentioned the kung fu movies made me connected to the fact that these kung fu movies, it may not be a full coincidence that you go from cartoons into these overdubbed kung fu movies because there's something funny about them. Yes. And the sounds are part of what make them funny. Because the overdubbing, of course, famously, is always a little bit off. It's always off. And the sounds are a little too loud to what would actually have happened if you hit somebody
Starting point is 00:07:33 with that feather. If you hit somebody with a feather, it doesn't go, but those sounds find their way, obviously, into this music, right? And so it gives it kind of a cartoonish violence on top of the actual, like, the combination, basically, of the references culturally and the sounds which we associate with sort of cartoonish violence. Yeah. But then there's an actual darkness to the lyrical content.
Starting point is 00:07:53 There is. Such an interesting blend of things. There is. But just thinking about their integration of kung fu movies into their music. I mean, like this album that we're talking about today, into the Wu-Tang, it literally starts with a clip from the movie that they take their name from, that movie being Shaolin and the Wu-Tang. This is the beginning of Bring the Ruckus.
Starting point is 00:08:12 The Shaolin and the Wu-Tang could be dangerous. Do you think your Wu-Tang sword can defeat me? On God, I'll let you try my Wu-Tang style. Dude, that song still gives me so stiked. So stiked. This is a podcast. So for those of you missing the video component, we were mirroring the not correct dubbing style
Starting point is 00:08:37 that you would have seen in the actual film. What you're talking about? That was expert dubbing on our behalf. I think we were a little too good. I know. There were a couple times I couldn't help say the lyrics. By the way, for that specific clip, Riza has said that, quote,
Starting point is 00:08:49 it was perfect for what I was trying to say about my crew. That's how I felt Wu was almost invincible. Yeah, like the same way. these kung fu movies would highlight different martial art styles, every member of the Wu was kind of coming with like a totally different style. Unlike almost any other rapper that was out there at the time, let's talk about the different members of the Wu. The clan, which was founded by the Riza, and includes Master Killer, the Jizzah, Old Dirty Bastard, Inspector Deck, Requam the Shep, you got Ghost Face Killer and the M-E-T-H-O-D, man. Sorry, I just got lost in my 90sself.
Starting point is 00:09:23 I like your 90-7. I wish I'd know you. I do that. I wish we had been friends 30 years ago. I do too, man. When we were two. I'll tell you, I was effortlessly skinny back then. Now I got to put an effort and eat right. God damn it.
Starting point is 00:09:36 I got to survive. Welcome back to the Unk podcast. Okay, so just for fun, let's come up with our Wu-Tang names. We are all logging into the Wu-Tang name generator right now. Which I think has been there since the 90s. Dude, I mean, this is literally how Donald Glover got his name, Childish Gambino. This is like a Geo City's-ass-looking website. It's frightening.
Starting point is 00:09:57 I'm typing it in. You go first. From this day forward, the website is telling me you will be also known as Mighty Menace. Dang, Mighty Menace is not bad. That's not right. That's pretty good. That's a little mid. It's not great.
Starting point is 00:10:10 I disagree. I don't love it. I think Mighty Menace might have been. Menace I don't like. He might have had a featured verse on the Killer Priest album. It's kind of a backhand compliment because you start with Mighty. I'm like stoked. But then Menace?
Starting point is 00:10:23 Like, am I annoying? Do I irritate you? I feel like I'm irritating you right now. No. I'm being a menace right now. You're only irritated me because you've got a fucking dope name. I just type my name in. Apparently, my name is respected ninja.
Starting point is 00:10:34 Let me tell you something. If you all start replying in the comments with the ninja emoji, I see what you're doing. You're not slick. Yeah. You're not slick. Respected ninja? Wait, put your middle name in because you get a different name. Maybe you get something better.
Starting point is 00:10:48 All right. My other Wu-Tang name is intellectual commander. Okay, I like this. I like this for you. You're my intellectual commander. It's the rebel I see. Coming as you see. I mean, it's not mad at an intellectual commander.
Starting point is 00:11:03 In fact, you know, in the same zone as Inspector Deck. He's inspecting, what, a deck? Like, what even is that? So keeping with this theme of album listening, we're going to fast forward, if you will, to the middle of the album. We're going to spend some time in this block of song, starting with Wu-Tang Clan ain't nothing to fuck with.
Starting point is 00:11:20 This song, I think, encapsulates this idea of Kung Fu Brotherhood with a street edge, but bonding over Saturday cartoons and cereal. Check out Wu-Tang Clan ain't nothing to fuck with. Woo-Tang Clan ain't nothing to fuck with. That's no place to hide. A little step inside the room. Dr. Doom, prepare from the boom.
Starting point is 00:11:38 Bam. Oh, man. I'm slam. Hey, yo, the Wu is back. Making brothers go, boom, boom. Like a super cat. This is going to be a hard one for me in this episode. This is your Ozzy.
Starting point is 00:11:50 I kind of know every lyric. I have memories. By the way, I used to love. And the survey said, you did. That's a dark episode of the family feud. That's a very dark episode. They were killing people on set. By the way, one of the things I love the most about this song is the song and samples.
Starting point is 00:12:04 Let's play a little bit of the song in Samples. This is the opening theme song to Underdog. That's all he needed. That's all he needed to make. People lose their shit. I mean, like, when this album came out, I just can't stress how much. Multiple songs off this album would make people go crazy. Protect your neck.
Starting point is 00:12:33 Method, man. These songs would get played multiple times at one party. Also, I saw online where Wycleft John just recently has made it kind of clear that he was interpolating the Riza sample of that underdog. Sample for when Carlos Santana does his guitar solo, Maria Maria. Let's hear a little bit of that. God to fuck with Wu-Tang Clan ain't gone to fuck with Wu-Tang Klan-A-Legh. All right, so the next song in the album is Cream. And I should say that this would definitely be the first Wu-Tang song I would have ever heard
Starting point is 00:13:10 because obviously it's the one that popped into the culture. Yeah. The expressions and all the language that came out of the song became reference points just like that people said. You just started saying cash rolls, everything around me, Dala, Dala, Dillia, all this stuff. To me, that's such a marker of importance for a band or an artist when what they say when the art gets into the culture like that,
Starting point is 00:13:29 It's just language. It's just language now. Yeah. Like another thing, like for me, like the word ruckus. I don't think I'd heard the word ruckus since the 30s. That's hilarious. Until I came back with the Wootang with Bring the Ruckus. I think Ruckus was out there in East Coast hip-hop slang at the time.
Starting point is 00:13:43 But because they had such a big audience, they were able to take it to another level. In my mind, they own that word because their microphone was so big to use it. Totally. Yeah. So Cream was their most successful single. By the way, it's their biggest on Spotify by far. It's like got half a billion streams. Castrols everything around me
Starting point is 00:14:00 for those who don't know that's what Cream stands for and it's the song that really put the band on the map so let's play a snippet of their performance on Arsenio Hall's final show speaking of the 90s speaking of the late 80s into the 90s
Starting point is 00:14:11 that featured a stacked lineup it's got MC Light it's got Fife Dogg it's got Q-Tip CL Smooth KRS 1 and Pete Rock and the woo let's listen my way to play for me short
Starting point is 00:14:20 now I face the cross of a race My destination 40 of us Life is a Shorty should Be so rough. Aw. So feminist. What?
Starting point is 00:14:32 What a feminist line? What? Life as a shoddy shouldn't be so rough. No, no, no. That's... When he said Shorty there, he's talking about kids. I think he's talking about ladies. Shorty used to be...
Starting point is 00:14:44 Shorty used to be... Shorty eventually became exclusively the girl you're talking to. It became shouty. So he's saying life as a child... But back there, like, yeah, life is a shorty. Because he's talking about when he was going to jail. So that sounds much darker than the interpretation that you're saying that you're I had, which was sweet and an ally and a friend to win.
Starting point is 00:15:02 I didn't mean to take cream and put in a dark place, but I told you this out in the dark. That's okay. That's okay. I appreciate the education. I have more knowledge now. That's why we do the show. Absolutely. Can I just say, watch you that, the cultural significance of being on the series finale of the Arsenio
Starting point is 00:15:19 Hall show, because it can't be overstated. Arsenio was the cool maker in late-night TV. In fact, when I started as a writer on Late Night with Jimmy Fallon, one of his goals, one of our goals, was to be in 2009 what Arsenio had done so well in the early 90s. He was essential to the culture, wasn't he? Absolutely. Also about cream, fantastic sample. Fantastic sampling.
Starting point is 00:15:42 So the key sample is, of course, 1967 Charmel's tune, as long as I've got you. That's it. That little intro section right there is the primary loop, and that's co-written. That's the primary loop. That's the primary loop, and it's... And then if you let it play a little bit longer, just a little bit longer, you'll hear the beginning of Cream. And it's co-written. It's Isaac Hayes and David Porter.
Starting point is 00:16:23 So I'm like key Memphis musicians from the Stacks era. Just a real quick moment. Everything we're talking about today, by the way, talking about all these samples, it's worth noting that first of all, the Rizza has talked extensively about all these samples. They're all cleared. All these are cleared. And what's interesting is you sort of go through them
Starting point is 00:16:39 because sample clearances back in the day were just starting to happen. And they were early to it. They were doing it the right way, really early. Only a couple of years earlier, we'd had that big Biz Marquis. That's right. So we had the grand upright lawsuit, which was terrible. Yeah. And this is where Biz Marquis was sued for sampling alone again by Gilbert O'Sullivan,
Starting point is 00:16:58 who sued and it went to trial, which prior to that hadn't happened. This was the first sort of precedent case. And it set this idea that literally the judge in his decision said, use biblical terms to say that thou shalt not sample, which is crazy to me. It's crazy. He threatened to send them to jail. Like, it didn't end up happening that way. But it set this cultural framework.
Starting point is 00:17:18 We're sampling from that moment forward. People started calling stealing. And let me say this. A thing in the hip-hop culture at the time that you don't talk about samples. That was about 30 years ago. I just want to take a step back and tell all the hip-hop heads of whom I would count myself. On this show, we only talk about samples that are known. Only samples that are fully, fully public knowledge.
Starting point is 00:17:39 There's no secrets being revealed here. This is all fun. as I often say on the show, we are not sample snitches. If we ever do come across something that is not public knowledge, we won't talk about it. Because we believe in the art. We believe in the producers. If anything, we just want to celebrate the producers and celebrate the art of sampling in ways that everybody already knows about.
Starting point is 00:17:59 Absolutely agree. And just to build on that, to be like really specific and clear, like we look at the publishing, not just the liner notes. The liner notes tell you something, but it's a snapshot and things change. The public records tell you whether there were publishing splits, meaning the people that were sampled got paid. That's what we look into every single episode for every sample we talk about.
Starting point is 00:18:17 This is all about celebrating sampling as an art form. We are so proud to have had the Jimmy Jams, the Liljans, the Wren Gs, the Bangladeshis, on this show because they, to me, I get sort of emotional, like, they appreciate that we appreciate the culture, that we, that I appreciate the culture, that I am here in Diallo. We're both here to spread the joy of where did this come from.
Starting point is 00:18:38 And for producers and songwriters to help them understand, this is a songwriting technique, you can make music from other music. It's the history of music. And sampling is one size of that. We always say that a lot of those rock bands from the 60s that everybody's love, they're basically interpolating old black musicians. And if we can talk honestly about this stuff, then everybody gets their flowers.
Starting point is 00:18:58 And we just want to undo the damage that was done by that 1991, the Grand Upright decision, that's framed sampling in a separate category of interpolation and covering all these other areas of normal musical borrowing. So I'll get off my soapbox now with Diallo. We're sharing the soapbox together. We'll jump off and get back into music. Exactly. Another thing that makes hip-hop albums in this period, we talked a little bit about this on the De La Sol episode that we did,
Starting point is 00:19:22 is the interludes. The skits. Always made it feel like... Were De LaSole the first or like the biggest to do first? They were one of the first to make it like a major... Yeah, to popularize it. I think that's fair to say. This is one of my most favorite albums to have interludes on it.
Starting point is 00:19:37 Famously or infamously, There's an interlude at the beginning of the track, Method Man, where Method Man and Rayquan go back and forth trying to one up each other on how to torture people. We are not going to play a clip from this. Yes, we have to play a clip from torture. You can't. Apologies to anyone who can gross out easily,
Starting point is 00:19:54 but you've had more than 30 years to prepare. This is what became known as torture. It's so crazy. I fucking sew your asshole clothes and keep feeding you and feeding you and feeding you and feeding you. Jesus Christ. Is this a threat or a promise? This is like...
Starting point is 00:20:15 That was some dark comedy. Yeah. Listen, my understanding about this group is that these guys as independent artists, right, started. They then landed later also as independent artists. But the Wu, Rizzo put together 8, 9, 10, how many you want to count, depending on the day. Artists who are themselves rappers, who to some degree in Staten Island might have known about each other. I've heard stories. They were in high school.
Starting point is 00:20:37 They're like, oh, that guy, I know who that is. he's from another part of town. There's a degree to which there's some actual quote unquote animosity, which is creative and it's a friendly rivalry. But underneath that, bubbling under that a little bit, might be some actual, it's still creative and there's still a team as the Wu-Tang.
Starting point is 00:20:54 But they're also rivals. They're trying to have the best verse. Absolutely. There's absolutely competition taking place. But I also think that they're all like, just to talk about torture going back a second, they're all still like excited. They're recording an album.
Starting point is 00:21:08 You get the sense that they know that it's going to come out. And so in that one, I hear, like, people having fun. So, yes, there's competition and there's some rivalry. But there's also, I mean, some of them are family. But there's also, like, some friendship, some kinship there. Yeah, for sure. That was really funny because a couple of the torture scenarios that get thrown out there, don't land. You know?
Starting point is 00:21:30 They're not that bad. Some are better than others. Meth seems to win every single time. There's some of delivery. It's like they're kind of pulling their punches a little bit. I'm not going to go that far. But method's like, I'm going all the way. No, I think it's almost like a joke cipher where like some jokes don't land as hard.
Starting point is 00:21:43 Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. No, and definitely I'm not trying to imply that there's actual hatred going on. That's a joke clearly. When we come back, we're pressing play on Protect Your Neck. We're going to dive deep into the samples of the song and the legendary verses that introduced us to the Wu on a genre-defining posse cut when we come back. All right, welcome back to one song. Let's dive into another song off of Into the Wu-Tang, 36 Chambers. This is Protect Ya Neck.
Starting point is 00:22:17 And this was the first song Wu Tang recorded as a full collective at Firehouse Studios in Brooklyn. It's been well documented that the final version of the song was not the version they originally recorded. They originally recorded to a different beat and in a different order. And that version was never released. That's right, Diallo.
Starting point is 00:22:33 But on the TV show, Wu Tang and American Saga, on episode six of season two, there's this really great sequence where they really dive into the making of this song. And it's really beautifully done, by the way. I have to recommend it because they sort of display how sampling is done in this sort of artistic way. They bring back these 70s band members
Starting point is 00:22:51 and Rizz is there at his console and he's like telling the drummer to do this. No, just play the snare, just play this beat. It's really cool. It's very well done. Are you feeling about this? We're going to recreate that a little bit in just a second. But first, on the episode, you hear
Starting point is 00:23:11 that they're rapping to a completely different tune. And full props goes to a YouTuber called Project Strum, aka Cole John 23, who recreated it. This is the beat. And again, this is a snippet that was used on that episode that he took and turned into the entire track. This is what Wu-Tang Clan would have been rapping to when they first did protect your neck. It would have sounded like this.
Starting point is 00:23:39 So it sounds a little different, right? It does. It's a little bouncier, a little upbeat, I would say. Yeah, it's not quite as... I don't know. Maybe it's because it's new. It sounds a little bit more in the hip hop pocket, if you will, of like 1992. It's sort of brighter sounding to my ears, right? It doesn't have the darkness and the grit that we're about to get into it. I agree. Yeah. So that was originally done by Prince Rakim, aka. Riza, back when he was still Prince Rakeem. And it was originally a beat for the Rebel INS, aka Jason Hunter, aka Inspector, Inspector Deck.
Starting point is 00:24:10 Yes. I feel like as an unsung hero of this group, people forget that on, you could argue, maybe two of their biggest posse cuts of all time, Protect your neck and triumph. He's got the first first. That is such a big weight on his shoulders, and he carries it every time. That's right. He brings you in. So anyway, that song samples, by the way, the main ingredient song, something about love. So that's the sample you're hearing.
Starting point is 00:24:33 Obviously, at a certain point, Riza heard back the result of all of them in the room and was like, this isn't quite the right beat for this. It's not the right vibe. So what they did was, and by the way, a couple of unsung heroes. I got to get props to Ethan Ryman, who gets the sole engineering credit on this song. on the version we know. Yeah, on the canonical version that's on the record. He gets the engineering credit for this song.
Starting point is 00:24:54 But we also know that Carlos Best had something to do with it, as did Blaze DuPui. There's a little bit of a Roshaman who tracked it and who didn't, but they were all part of the process of making this tune. Yeah. Well, let's hear a little bit of the beat of Protect You Net. Here's the main loop. And that's it. It's really just a bar, actually.
Starting point is 00:25:14 I played it twice. Don't overthink it. I think that's the lesson. Don't overthink it. Where did they get that loop from? Now, the Riza has himself explained this on his TV show. A lot of what? I'm about to show you comes out of what he's told all of us. I've just broken it down for our show
Starting point is 00:25:27 to get to the more micro level. All right. So the first beat is the legendary honey drippers impeach the president, 1973. One of the most sample tunes of all time. You've heard this loop. I'll just play it for you raw. This is what it sounded like. Ladies and gentlemen, we have the hundred drippers in the house tonight. You've heard that in literally one of the thousands of tunes that it's been in. It is early hip-hop. Cool Hurwop, one of the like 500 maybe copies that were made. Maybe actually only be 100 copies. Not a lot were pressed, but he had one, and it became legendary in hip hop after he started to play it. And then most famously in 1985, Marley Marl does one of the first, if not the first, quote-unquote, chops. Where you're not just using the loop, he started taking
Starting point is 00:26:11 just the kick, just the snare, and you can remake a beat based on those basic elements and hi-hat. So legendarily, great story he tells on QLS. Go listen to that episode about how his reel-to-reel got stolen. And the beat that he originally made for MC Shan's The Bridge, found its way into other tunes of the era, like because he had left it behind at the studio. So Rizzo would have chopped up the beat using his sampler. He just isolated the snare and mapped it to his sampler
Starting point is 00:26:37 so he could just play that separate, as well as the kick, which sounds like this. So once those two items got to his sampler, including the hiats and everything, he would have had something like this. And then there's the double kick. And he left out this. I wasn't there, but what one can do with a sampler
Starting point is 00:26:58 so as likely the Rizzo would have done something like this is mess around on the keyboard, by the way. I'm doing it with the pads. He didn't have pads on his keyboard. He just had the notes like a keyboard keyboard. But he would have played around with a beat like. But I think he left out that high hat. Yeah, I don't think there's a high hat in there.
Starting point is 00:27:19 So what you're actually getting, and I'll play it for you now, is this. Yeah, he left out the high hat, and I think that's what prevented it from sounding like more older school hip hop. Oh, wow. You're right. That high hat. It's like the happiness. Like, it's also, like, brings up the hub.
Starting point is 00:27:35 Yeah, right. By taking that part out and stripping it down a little bit, it feels more like a beat down. Like, it feels like somebody. It honestly feels like you're on the, like, the receiving end of, like, some characters from Staten Island. And I think that that's what makes it sound more in the, you know, in the context of 1993, more modern.
Starting point is 00:27:53 Now, I got to say that does it sound quite like the beat as I think about it? So what else is going on here? We have a few more steps to go. I'm going to keep it simple. there's a degree to which what I'm doing is recreating it in the room in five minutes. Totally. Which is so impressive. It doesn't take into account all of the sonic shaping that would have required a lot more time on the day.
Starting point is 00:28:15 And different gear, by the way. But we're going to get pretty close. I think 88%, maybe 91% if I do a good job. So there's another beat in there. I'll play you the whole thing. It's another situation where he's just isolated a piece of it. So see if you can listen for what was isolated. This is Otis Redding, hard to handle.
Starting point is 00:28:37 So I'm going to. show you what he took from that. And you may not have noticed the first time, but here it is. That's the piece right there. I'll play it again. That shows up, including the piano. Yeah, I was going to say, the piano sounds very woo. One of my favorite things about sampling, especially, and specifically the riz of what he does and Wu-Tang is the sounds are, we call them, a lot of words are used that are about darkness and grit and dirt, right? Yeah. Part of it is because the sample chops, the choice of what he uses, and the choice to keep in what was there. that wasn't the note maybe that he wanted.
Starting point is 00:29:18 Just the kick drum, he includes that piano sound. Now he pitches that up, one and a half steps. So it sounds like this. And then he takes a little piece of it, and he puts it on the end. So the entire loop sounds like this. And now I'm going to bring back the impeach the president's snare and kick.
Starting point is 00:29:41 And I think he layered like an 80-of-weight kick or something underneath it to get a little more a punch. So that might sound like this. I love it. And what's crazy about it is like, Think about what's happening on the West Coast right now. Dr. Dre is, like, cleaning that stuff up, making it shine. Yes, this is the opposite of that.
Starting point is 00:30:06 The Rizza is going in the absolute opposite direction. He's leaving that sample dirty. Yes. He's leaving in elements that he may not have even asked for, but because they're there, it's giving it that Wutang Rizza touch. I'm so glad you said that because the final step in the process, which is going to get us from what might be 75% accurate now, to like, I hope 90 is that there's one last step to make it dirty and gritty.
Starting point is 00:30:26 You can accomplish that grit in a lot of ways. I think downsampling, in other words, the sample resolution was very low. He might have added distortion. He might have done other things. I'm going to quickly make that whole thing sound a little bit darker. And one way to do that is... We're going dark. We're going a little bit dark.
Starting point is 00:30:42 Here's that hard-to-handle loop. And now if I add some of what's called down-sampling to make it sound like what a sampler would have done, it does this. And I can do an EQ cut on the highs to make it sound darker. And all of a sudden, when you add back... I still think there's too much high end. So I'm going to take the high end off of that. It sounds a lot darker. And here's the original.
Starting point is 00:31:20 I got close. Let's see how close I got. See, even now, there's another day or five to like tweak that in to dial it in. Now I'm hearing the snare. I want to bring back a little more of that high end. But long story short, these are the tools you use to piece together from different sample sources, just the sound you want, in the place you want,
Starting point is 00:31:40 and then shape and transform the overall mix of all those elements. I know that there's a bass and piano on this track. Are those sampled or something that the Rizza played? What's going on there? So I believe that they come from the Ensonic Workstations, floppy disks that would have been essentially the presets that would have come with the machine. This is the 90s version of the Melatron sounds like. It's 1990.
Starting point is 00:32:01 When you buy this machine, you get a whole bunch of floppy disks, 3.5, not the 5 inch ones, but the ones that came into 3.5. And they have different sounds that you literally put in, and then you can play a piano or a bass sound. So I'll play you what the bass sound sounds like. isolated and then I'll bring the beat back in. It's hard to hear that bass without me doing what I was just doing. I was just doing the piano part because that's sort of more of what I hear.
Starting point is 00:32:44 You put it to your nose and maybe I guess it's coming next is the piano which I believe comes from a 3.5 inch floppy disc called piano Steinway 1 and it would have sounded something like. You can't afford a Steinway get the Steinway one. Would it sounded something like this. And I believe this is the ris-playing this melody line. Yeah. Let's put it together in the mix. All right, my friend.
Starting point is 00:33:26 I love it. I'm done. Do I get to take a nap? Now I was up all night doing that shit. That was great. Listen, there's a whole bunch of other samples on this tune. They're mostly little cut-ins, little sound effects, right? Of course, there's that guitar noise that we hear whenever there's a swear, for example.
Starting point is 00:33:42 Tick-Tick-Tock and keep-Tickin' will I get you flipping off the shit. I'm kicking the lone-raintop. Which, by the way, comes from L-L-Cool-J. Which comes from ACDC. They're the kings of amazing ways to censor your music. I've said on the show many times, the Brooklyn Zoo Clean Edd is one of my favorite songs of all time because of how they cleaned it up.
Starting point is 00:34:16 But this is an important one. It's arguably the last piece in the core part of the instrumental of the track that runs through it for the most part. This is Break Your Promise from the Delphonics 1968. So here it is in the original. It's that stabbing sound.
Starting point is 00:34:44 And let's hear where that came from. And there's another thing in there that's like in so many hip-hop songs, I call it the squeal. Yeah, that's the grunt. The J-Bs sounds something like this. And this would already be, to your point, legendarily hip hop because public enemy had used it. Everybody's used it.
Starting point is 00:35:16 Yeah, so they used half of what public enemy had used it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So many people. The rhythm, the rebel, without a pause, I'm lowering my level. The hard rhyme. We you never been a man. That's the grunt from the J.B.'s, 1970. I wish we could do a whole episode dedicated to just this song.
Starting point is 00:35:33 It's their first song. It's the song that I believe that they took to Jack the rapper. It's the song that really introduced a lot of us to the Wu-Tang because it was like getting like traded about on like mixed tapes and it was some of the first music that we ever heard from them. They all have a verse on here. I want to highlight three verses in particular because as with any posse, some people go on to greatness.
Starting point is 00:35:55 Some, I would argue this is not at all the best ghost face killer verse of all time. But he goes on to have, I think, easily one of the best solo careers after this album. But I want to focus on three big verses on here because they really introduced to three guys who went solo in a big way. First off is Method Man. I mean, like, it's not an accident that he's one of the first voices that you hear, watch Step Kid, watch Step Kid. Like, he's
Starting point is 00:36:20 one of the first voices that you hear on the album, and he's got a great verse. It's the method man for short, missed the map. Moving on your lap. And shut it all. Get it off. Let it off like a gack. I want to break food. Cop me back. Small change. They put in shame in the... Set it off.
Starting point is 00:36:36 Straight. First of, amazing, amazing verse. like fame, I'm going to live forever. Like, he's calling it popular TV shows of our youth. But one thing I want to say about meth, obviously, he was the breakout star of this right of the, he was the Chevy Chase, if you will, breaking out of, you know, the early SNL, out of early SNL. Because he was the only person who had, like, a huge song that was literally his name.
Starting point is 00:37:00 Like, later in this album, we hear, M-T-H-O-D, man. Smart. And both a method man, which is, you know, he's using M-E-T-H-O-D man. He's making a reference to Daryl Hall and John Oates, Method of Modern Love. He's also, he's like the interpolation king. Even in this verse, even in this verse, he's like, move it on your left.
Starting point is 00:37:22 Which is a callback to set it off. Strafe. Yes, one of the great dance songs, once again of our youth, early proto-electro. Yeah, yeah. On the left, y'all sit it off on the right. You'll sit it off. Come on, listen it off.
Starting point is 00:37:38 And I was thinking about it, like, he's just the king of, like, bringing in invoking other songs. If you think about on Method Man, he brings in the Beatles come together. Right after interpolating Darrell Hall and John notes, he says, Hey, you get off my cloud! Which is, of course, a reference to the Rolling Stones. On how high he starts off with, excuse me, while I kiss the sky. Excuse me as I kiss the sky. the pocket from the rise.
Starting point is 00:38:25 I want J. Klan ain't none to fuck with. He says, The meth will come out tomorrow. You know, he's referencing Annie. To me, he was always the guy who knew how to, like, bring in just the right reference from a previous song. Yeah, I love all of those references.
Starting point is 00:38:45 And to be clear, like, they mostly sound like references to me, like you're allowed to refer to another song or another lyric. And this is all down to like, it sounds like their record label was really solidly behind them because they were able to do things that I think are wonderful culturally, bring in both musical references with the sampling.
Starting point is 00:39:01 Yeah. And lyrical references, right? I also think, meth, you know, it was funny when we were working on this episode when I went back and listened to some of my favorite songs off of their solo albums, it occurred to me that he sings a lot of their choruses. Like, I was like, oh, I love ice cream off of Rick Kwan's only built for Cuban links.
Starting point is 00:39:19 But he's the one who's like, watch these rep. Get all up in your guts. No, you're right. Watch these rap is Prince vanilla butter, peanut, chocolate deluxe, even caramel sundaes. When I went back and listened to Shadowboxing, I realized he starts off that song.
Starting point is 00:39:39 And then when I went back and listened to West Craigs, and then when I went back and listened to other songs, I just realized like, oh, he was like the guy with the gift to make your song or your chorus really pop. And he even did it for himself when he came out with that remix with Mary J. Blige, the All I Need. Like, that's one of the first songs, I think, to win, like, the duo Grammy or whatever it is in hip hop. Like, meth is just that guy.
Starting point is 00:40:15 He's been that guy from the beginning. I mean, they should call him chorus man. Oh, God. Oh, I didn't know I'd get a laugh out of you. I was so happy that that happened. I was expecting silence and a dead stare. Well, you know what method stands for, right? Method of Modern Love.
Starting point is 00:40:30 No, it's actually, that's what we used to call marijuana. We? You and Method? You know, old hip-hop unks like myself. Yeah, no, it was a popular choice for marijuana at the time. Yeah. That's the chronic East Coast style. Which is funny because now if you say meth, it means another drug.
Starting point is 00:40:48 It means another drug. Well, chorus, man, it's available. If you want to use it, it's my idea for you. Let's hear a verse from one of my favorite Wu-Tang rappers. This is Old Dirty Bastard. Same on you when you step through two. The old dirty bastard Straight from the Brooklyn Zoo
Starting point is 00:41:02 And I'll be damn If I let any man Come to my center You enter the winter Straight up and down That shit is pat cam You can't slam A couple of things
Starting point is 00:41:10 Number one There are so many Old Dirty Bastard Choruses that will be There's so many lines in this That will be lifted And used as choruses In later songs
Starting point is 00:41:21 What did I say? Chorus Man Well that's Old Dirty Bastard now Oh sorry Oh wait we got competition For Chorus Man I mean listen All Dirty Basterd
Starting point is 00:41:30 not great branding. Let's face it. What's you thinking? It's like that rock group, the Negro problem, right? It's like it's really hard to book them. It's hard to book them. It's hard to throw that name up on the marquee. But here's what I'll say about ODB, as we may call him. He himself was sort of like a unique chorus driven guy. Like I said, a lot of these lines get used in choruses later. And I like that he says something like, you can't slam because Onyx had a huge hit with slam, like just the previous year. And I feel like they were already maybe moving out and Wu-Tang is sort of taking over that slot of like, we're the New York guys you should be afraid of.
Starting point is 00:42:06 And also how much I miss Russell Jones. You know, like, Oh, Dirty Bastard. Go back and listen to our Mariah Carey fantasy episode because we sort of do a mini deep dive on ODB. His story is so fascinating. So many great stories. But this album gave us O'DB, the Osiris, the Big Baby Jesus of the Wu-Tang Clan.
Starting point is 00:42:27 And this verse, you know, is one of the best verses on the song. That's so crazy to just be reminded that this is an introduction to all these guys that are just like legendary cultural figures for 30 years now, right? That's crazy. It's so strong. Let's talk about the genius, aka the jizzah. Well, he don't know the mean enough dope when he's looking for a suit and tie rap that's cleaner than a war so. And the dirtiest thing is sight. Matter of fact, we got the girls and let's have a mud fight.
Starting point is 00:42:51 I love every single line of that because every one member had their own. style. They're all rapping about different things. They all have a totally different delivery. The fact that the Rizzo, who is like the Jizzah's cousin, it should be said, the Jizza, the Rizza, and old dirty bastard are all cousins. So they've known each other for a while. Like they have so many different styles yet the Rizzo is able to piece them all together onto this super loaded track. So can I just ask? Because it just so begs the question. Like, is there any precedent for this? Not really. I mean like eight rappers with no hook with no repeated elements. There's no chorus.
Starting point is 00:43:28 This is so unique, but it, like, is a new template for a new way to, this is what their music sounds like. You know what's crazy is I never thought about that. Yeah. If you could call anything the chorus, the chorus is the very end of the song. Right. At the very end of the song, they say, you best protect your neck, your best protect your neck, your best protect your neck, you best protect you. Like, that's the, that's the chorus. You get like an echoy outro.
Starting point is 00:43:50 Right. That's crazy. It almost feels like an afterthought, not quote, unquote. I mean, listen, the whole thing is obviously a combination of mastermindedly engineered by the Rizza, but also he re-piece together what they had recorded and changed the beat. The fact that the protect your neck line appears at the beginning. At the very beginning. At the very end.
Starting point is 00:44:06 And it's like right in the middle as an interlude. It's almost as though to give there a hook that, like a through line for the whole thing. I think what he was going for with this song, especially when they were shopping it, I think the hip-hop world was still very, very infatuated with another posse cut. That doesn't get mentioned a whole lot. Live at the barbecue. I don't know this one. What's that one?
Starting point is 00:44:26 This is the, this is the, uh, this is the, this is the, the posse cut, I think it was on cold chilling, pretty sure it's on cold chilling, that was sort of everybody's introduction to Nas. And Nas had an amazing verse on Live at the Barbecue. Live of the barbecue, I also don't think ever gets mentioned in the song. Even if it does, it's again a non-traditional chorus. Streets to Cyple, my rap's a trifle. I shoot slugs for my brain just like a rifle. Stampede the stage. I'll leave the microphones split. Play Mr. Tuppy while I'm on to bring back to the genius. I think he had one of the best verses on this song.
Starting point is 00:44:57 the fact that he gets so granular with, like, record label politics. And he mentions Cole Killer, but that's in a reference to the fact that he was on Cole Chillon, and he always felt worse from The Genius, which was his album back then. He felt like he had been done wrong. He felt like they were investing in another rapper, this suit and tie rap, as he references later in his verse.
Starting point is 00:45:20 He's really, like, sort of opening himself up and being vulnerable in his own way and saying, like, this industry's messed up. So I got with my cousins. And I got with these other rappers, and we're about to take this rap ship by Storm. And I think that that's really cool. And they really did when you think about it because the Jaze, I think, has one of the best solo albums coming out of Entra the Wutang 36 Chambers. His album, Liquid Swords, is just really amazing.
Starting point is 00:45:44 And they really, I thought, set the bar very high along with Methodist DeKal and Rayquan's only built for Cuban links. I think that these albums really set the bar high for the level of quality that you would get. of a Wu-Tang solo album, because they could have just been this group that came out with a great posse album and then sort of like, you know, disappeared until the next posse album came out. No, every single solo album that came out of the Wu
Starting point is 00:46:08 felt curated and tailor-made for the audience that was ready to devour it. So, luxury, how do the splits break down? Listen, the splits are almost exactly what you'd hope there'd be for eight dudes. Seven of them get 6.25%. Really? But interestingly, we were just talking about him,
Starting point is 00:46:24 but the jizzah gets a little bit extra. he gets 9.37. Oh, wow. So the genius, the jizzah, gets that extra 3%. I did not know. I would have thought the Rizzo would have got maybe like that extra 0.5 or something. It's so interesting you say that. So this is from 1991.
Starting point is 00:46:39 It's him first trying out this line, protect your neck. So you clearly wanted to use that line. Watch his step kid. So he brought it into the song. Maybe the fact that that becomes part of the hook is why he got some of those extra percentage points. Maybe so. Wow, I would have thought it would have been the Risa. But good on the guys.
Starting point is 00:47:02 I think, again, I think that's one of the things that helps keep people in good standing. We know that there are some choppy waters in this past future. But at least in theory, those splits sounds kind of fair. D'allel, what do you think the legacy of Enter the Woo, 36 Chambers is? I can still remember what it looked like sitting there in Tower Records when I went to go buy it. Listen, this album went off like a cultural bomb.
Starting point is 00:47:25 It planted a flag in the ground for the East Coast and the future course of hip-hop in a way that I've rarely seen since. this kind of thing happens like once or twice a decade at best. I really do think it allowed a raw street aesthetic into East Coast rap that would have been out of step of what tribe and native tongues was doing, but it would have also been out of place in the pin houses where Puffy and the bad boy guys were hanging out. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:47:49 Like this is this third lane approach is what I think allowed the mob deeps and the Smith and Wessons and the Heltas. And honestly, the post-Iomatic output of Nause to really, come in through the door and that's not even mentioning, which we don't have time to do, all of the epic and classic Wu-Tang solo album. I mean, very simply, this changed the sound of hip-hop. It changed the sound of hip-hop. And there were so many of them, like, if you think about it, their solo album output is kind of unparalleled in almost any genre. I'm not only talking about hip-hop. Like, what rock group
Starting point is 00:48:25 breaks up and all of the solo albums are kind of amazing. It doesn't happen very often. Gene Simmons, maybe. Oh, no, I take that back. Back in the New York groove. I mean, even the Ringo Star albums are not really well known. I mean, like, there's no other group that breaks off with, like, nine members, and you have, like, admittedly, like, nine interesting solo careers. I mean, just think about it.
Starting point is 00:48:47 You've got Methodmas to Cal. You've got the Jizzes liquid swords. You've got them Cs back in the wrecked room era. My style wrote motherfucking backs like him for terror. You got Rayquins only built for Cuban links. You've got old Peeceahannes, yawin'ish, your home lounges, Big style y' y'-up, this is the flyers. Moves you're making two-five choos is shaking out of rape bait.
Starting point is 00:49:19 You've got old dirty bastards return to the 36 chambers. Shibmy shimmy y'all, shimmy, yeah, and give me the mic so I can take her away. And you've got one of my absolute favorite members of the Wu, Ghost Face Killer, His album, Iron Man, insane. Daytona 500, come on. Mercury rap's disrupting, gorgeous, show like, red and white, Wally the match, bare my baseball hat,
Starting point is 00:49:46 doing forever shit like pissing out the window on twilight. I mean, this runs C-Mintz, Wu-Tang as a unique supergroup and the Riza as a production powerhouse. And what's crazy, that's all before they even dropped the second album, man. We won't even have time to talk about 1997's Wutang Forever and its amazing song, Triumph.
Starting point is 00:50:04 You have to be anatomically Socrates, philosophies and hypotheses Can't define how I be dropping these mockeries Lyrically perform on robbery You have to give Inspector Deck his props You have to give him his props Because he comes on first on protect your neck
Starting point is 00:50:20 He comes on first on triumph Play triumph at a party to this day Every person of a certain age Is going to know every single lyric On that first verse and fight me That is the best verse on triumph On a song with amazing verses inspect the next verse on triumph is transcendent.
Starting point is 00:50:36 It's so interesting also you hear the change in production because this is sound-wise, a lot different from the earlier way. Four years later, they're less digging in to the dirty, gritty, dirt, darkness of the earlier records. Absolutely. So much has happened in four years. Right after Enter the Wu-Ten-36 Chambers, not too long after, the Riz is like doing like grave diggers,
Starting point is 00:50:55 which is even darker and like horror core. But after so many solo albums and some, so much, you know, things happening in their professional and personal lives. Yes, at some point, the sound of music is changing. And to hear Method Man tell it, by the time Wu Tang forever comes out in 1997, he already felt the industry was moving towards what we call the jiggy era, the shiny suit era, whatever you want to call it. And it was hard for them to get Triumph on New York radio. At that point, Puffy's sort of taking over New York radio. So as much as I love Triumph, it is sort of that point where Wu-Tang will have to again start fighting their way through the industry
Starting point is 00:51:39 instead of easily guiding it and sort of like influencing it in their own image. But because of the epic, epic album, Enter the Wu-Tang, 36 Chambers, from then until now and into the future, we will always throw up the W. Wu-Tang. Wu-Tang. All right, One Song Nation, this is one genre. Our friends at Discogs challenge us to dive deep into us. subgenre and share a few records that we think are essential listening. Today we're talking about Neil Sol. I'm so excited to talk about this subgenre. Motown
Starting point is 00:52:14 Music Exec, Kadar Massenberg, is credited with coming up with that term. It's funny that he plays into the story. When I was doing the radio show at my college station, you know, we would open up the packages with the records inside. I remember the day that I opened up a package, and there was an Erica Badu record that had come. And I had never heard the name, Erica about doing my life. But what stood out about the record is that there was a piece of incense taped to the record. I was like, oh, snap, when you're in college, like a free piece of incense.
Starting point is 00:52:45 You're like, okay, you got my attention. I remember lighting the incense and being like, hey, they gave me a free piece of incense. I should listen to the record. And I put on Erica's on and on. And I was like, man, this is cool because she's singing about like current stuff, but she sounds like Billy Holiday. Yeah. And I remember thinking, like, this is really interesting in being a liner-notes reader.
Starting point is 00:53:06 I saw that name, Kadar Massenberg, kind of a weird name, and it stuck out to me. So that was my first experience with Kadar. I would say without artists like Erica Badu and DiAngelo with his brown sugar album, we may not have gotten Neil Sol the way that we ended up getting it. But just for the uninitiated, Neil Sol is basically R&B that borrows heavily from a 70s aesthetic, but had contemporary to the 90s production values in a post-hip-hip-hop perspective.
Starting point is 00:53:34 And again, that's artists like Erica Badu with her album, Badoism, De Angeles Brown Sugar, and of course Maxwell's opus, urban hangsweet. I'm just thinking, because you know that phenomenon if somebody describes a record sometimes, you'll never not hear it the way they described it. I just remember, I think it was Novena
Starting point is 00:53:50 Carmel, actually, our friend of the show on Ksaradu's describing an Erica Badoos song, and she's like, it's like someone came up behind you and breathed heavily on your neck. And that's what I think of every time I hear of Erica Badoo. That's a perfect description of amusing. So what is your pick for Neal Soul? All right, my friend, I brought in DeAngelo's legendary voodoo album.
Starting point is 00:54:08 This record to me is perfection. It's one of the best albums of the 2000s. Yeah, it's one of the best albums of the 2000s. Ever. It combines, as you mentioned, the sounds and vibe even. There's something vibey. It's not just 70s sounds, but it's also some of the vibiness. But there's also something interesting about it being modern because they use dry production techniques
Starting point is 00:54:27 instead of the big cavernous reverb that you might hear in the 60s and 70s. Very dry production, obviously... Didn't they use some vintage instruments and, like, you know, I feel like they didn't... It wasn't enabled to. They were going for a vintage sound, but they did things that you would not have heard at the time, not the least of which is Questlove and his drumming, which on a bunch of songs, has that Dilla vibe, which he had been, you know, himself obsessed with for a few years. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:54:50 Working with Dilla, meeting him and shouting out to the highest heavens that this guy's a genius. And he started to actually, you know, every now and then perform. broken beat style stuff you might have heard out on Adila record. I love voodoo for the second. I actually worked at Virgin as an intern fresh out of college when that album came out. So I remember seeing just stacks and stacks of them
Starting point is 00:55:10 and putting it on thinking like, oh man, I like brown sugar. I'll probably like this. It was so drastically different from brown sugar. And yet it sort of let us know that like, oh, this is a guy who could have a super long career because it is just genius. And you've got Questlove.
Starting point is 00:55:25 And you've got James Poyser. You've got so many people, you know, from that Neil's soul. Neil's soul was like not even just a genre. It really did feel like it's like Grinch. It's like a scene. And there's certain people who pop up on record after record. Yeah. And the sound of this record is so specific.
Starting point is 00:55:39 It's got like, I don't even know what emotion is, but it takes me to a very specific place. It's a very specific color that only this record has. Is it like a dark gray? Is it like grainy? It is a little bit. That's so funny. Yeah, I would say it's a sepia tone. I think you're right.
Starting point is 00:55:51 It's not black and white, but with a little bit of something added to it. Totally. It's not black and white. And of course, vocally. speaking, we've got, you're alluding back to Prince and Curtis Mayfield. You're getting all of these shivers up your spine kind of feelings that come from this record. So one of my favorites. This one of these records that I've been wanting for years, you know, that list is endless.
Starting point is 00:56:10 I will never buy all the records I intend to buy. Finally, I was like, this is the day. I was at the record store the other day. Bought this, immediately ran home, put it on discogs. It's there in my profile, and I'm proud of it. I'm proud that it's there. Balancing out all the dub records and all the Jane's Addiction, originals and misfits and whatever else. What about you, Diallo?
Starting point is 00:56:28 What is your Neo Soul pick this week? Glad he asked. For my pick, I actually went with Music Soul Child. This album was really cool. I love the song Just Friends, which is the first single off of this album. And the other thing that I think is sort of interesting about it, you know, there were a lot of artists,
Starting point is 00:56:44 once Erica blew up and DeAngelo blew up, there were a lot of artists that felt like started to adopt, if not the sound of Neal Soul, sort of like the appeal of it. You know, like they didn't maybe go full on, full on soul query. but you just got the sense that like artists like below sunshine anderson you know there were more artists that were coming into the tent and music was one of them and i loved the song just friends i lived on discogs to find out who had played the keys on this and i saw the name james poyser who is once again with our buddy
Starting point is 00:57:15 quest of somebody who worked on your pick which was de angelo's voodoo so it really was a scene and a time and it's a really cool scene and i do feel like certain artists like miguel sort of like carry on the tradition of Neil's soul into the present. One other fun fact, the song that Music Soul Child had on his other album, which is called Half Crazy, is an amazing song. And I don't think you know that song. I would say, go listen to that song because that has a really hypnotic, strange sort of like time signature.
Starting point is 00:57:48 I really can't wait to play that song. Oh, I'm the guy who like strange time signatures. Okay, fine. I like time signatures. Not wrong, but. And I like them. I know you like them. I think we're going to bond over his song half crazy.
Starting point is 00:57:59 Next level bonding. Next level bonding. And this was his breakout album. This is a, I just want to sing, you know, spelled in a very interesting way. AI. AI just want to see-a-ing? Seeing. Look, we can spell it whatever we want.
Starting point is 00:58:15 It was a great album. I knew what he meant. No, I did too. So those are our one-genre picks for Neil Sol. Let us know what you think in the comments. I'm sure you have comments. And if you want to hear our selections. please check out our one-song playlist linked in our episode notes.
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