Open Book with Anthony Scaramucci - Scott Galloway RETURNS: Men Are Struggling More Than Ever – Here’s the Brutal Truth

Episode Date: December 2, 2025

Scott Galloway is a professor of marketing at NYU’s Stern School of Business and a serial entrepreneur. He is the New York Times bestselling author of The Four, The Algebra of Happiness, Post Corona, Adrift, and The Algebra of Wealth. Scott has served on the boards of directors of the New York Times Company, Urban Outfitters, Berkeley’s Haas School of Business, Panera Bread, and Ledger. Across his Prof G Pod, Prof G Markets, and Pivot podcasts, his No Mercy/No Malice newsletter, and his YouTube channel, Scott reaches millions. Get a copy of Scott's wonderful new book Notes on Being a Man here: https://amzn.to/4rusyTl Anthony Scaramucci is the founder and managing partner of SkyBridge, a global alternative investment firm, and founder and chairman of SALT, a global thought leadership forum and venture studio. He is the host of the podcast Open Book with Anthony Scaramucci. A graduate of Tufts University and Harvard Law School, he lives in Manhasset, Long Island. 📚 Get a copy of my books: Solana Rising: Investing in the Fast Lane of Crypto ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/43F5Nld⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ From Wall Street to the White House and Back ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/47fJDbv⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ The Little Book of Bitcoin ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/47pWRmh⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ The Little Book of Hedge Funds ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/43LbM83⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Hopping over the Rabbit Hole ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/3LaykJb⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Goodbye Gordon Gekko ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://amzn.to/47xrLYs⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 🎥 𝗕𝗼𝗼𝗸 𝗮 𝗖𝗮𝗺𝗲𝗼 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝗔𝗻𝘁𝗵𝗼𝗻𝘆! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.cameo.com/themooch⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 🎙️ Check out my other podcasts: The Rest is Politics US - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@RestPoliticsUS⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Lost Boys - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYFf6KS9ro1p18Z0ajmXz5qNPGy9qmE8j&feature=shared⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ SALT - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/c/SALTTube/featured⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ 📱 Follow Anthony on Social Media Instagram - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/scaramucci/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ X - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/Scaramucci⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ LinkedIn - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/anscaramucci/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.tiktok.com/@ascaramucci?lang=en⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@therealanthonyscaramucci Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It ends up that while boys are physically stronger, they're emotionally and neurologically much weaker. And I think just recognizing that and recognizing the importance that once a boy doesn't have male mentorship, society, the community, the mom has to figure out a way to get. And also men our age have to figure out a way to surround that boy with men. What I advise young people, especially men, to do is if something inspires you to really slow down and kind of wait in it and trying to understand why it moves you. When you find something funny, try and laugh out loud and really absorb the emotion. And if something moves you, allow yourself to get emotional and even cry, because I find one, it slows time down, which I'm trying to do. And it just informs

your life. And I'll hear from the CEOs of Fortune 500 companies and they'll want to come talk to me and they want to talk about how much they miss their mom. They're such a reservoir of men who want permission to talk about their emotions and just don't think they can. Welcome to Open Book. I am your host, Anthony Scaramucci, and joining us today is Scott Galloway, a dear friend, a best-selling author, an incredible podcaster, a professor, but also a dad. Okay. And this is a book. The title of the book is Notes on Being a Man by Scott Galloway. Now, Scott, I'm showing you my new age innovation. I downloaded your book on Apple Eyebooks and read it on the way to Australia. I thought it was so real, so authentic and raw that I congratulate you and I've been giving it out

as gifts to people. Thanks, ma. He's a pre-Christmas gifts from me to my buds because it's just so important. And obviously you and I did the Lost Boys series together. But what did you see that made you feel the need to write this book right now? It's always good to be with you, Anthony. By the way, congrats on your success is the right word, but I'm seeing you everywhere. you're having a real impact.

So the initial moment I got very interested in the topic was when a young man named Alex Kearns, a 19-year-old, errantly got messages from Robin Hood saying he owed them $600,000, was distraught, next morning took his own life. And I started doing a lot of research around young men and suicide and depression. And the data was just so overwhelming. If you walk into a morgue, and there's five people who died by suicide for men. And only one and three men under the age of 30 is in a relationship. It's two and three women. You think, well, that's mathematically impossible. It's not because women are dating

older for more economically and emotionally viable men. You have 63% of men under the age of 30 say they're no longer even trying to date. Forty-five percent of 18 to 24 year old men have never asked a woman out in person. One in seven men are now qualified as needs. That is, they're able to able-bodied, but they're neither in education, employment, or training. So it just feels like we have an entire generation of men who are sequestering from society. And I just sort of got very interested in the issue. I also relate to these young men. People say you wrote it for your boys. I feel like I'm concerned about young men's welfare because I do have boys. But the connection was more I relate to them personally. My boys, I mean, it's sad to say, but my boys won't be immune,

but they'll be less susceptible to a lot of this stuff because they're raised in a household that has money. I was not. And so I feel, I look at this and I think thereby the grace of God go I, and a lot of the on-ramps to a middle-class life available to me, great state-sponsored education when I applied to UCLA. The administrative rate was 74%. This year, it's 9%. I got assisted lunch, Pell Grants. I just feel as if I came of age in the same situation today, I would have very easily been one of these young men who was struggling. I also, I have screen addiction now. I can't imagine what have been like with my 19-year-old brain. So I relate to the topic. I feel as if people aren't talking about it and there's a lack of empathy. I think we

would have weighed in with more empathy and programs had it been another demographic because the sort of unfair, unearned advantage that you and I received, we're holding 19-year-old men accountable. It's almost as if, I mean, to a certain extent, I'm the wrong messenger here because people see me and they think, well, boss, you had a 3,000-year-head start. I'm like, yeah, to be angry at me. But don't be angry in a 19-year-old male.

It's not, it just doesn't have the same wind in a cells that you and I had. Well, I mean, yes, I agree with that. I think that you and I have a lot of common bonds, even though we both grew up on different sides of the country. We were growing up in the same umbrella of the culture, if you will. But what you write about, and I learned stuff about you in the book. I mean, you had bouts of depression. I thought you wrote beautifully about your mom and the economic anxiety that she had.

And you even talk about this because lots of children of divorce. You don't want to be a quote-unquote super spreader of your own trauma in a divorce. and you talk about your personal storytelling, but what part of your story, Scott, was the hardest to write about, but you felt it was the most important to include. It's a generous question. Like, you grew up economically strained.

I know you grew up with two parents, but money was a thing. And I don't think, I think if you grow up with money, you can have sympathy for people who don't have money, but I don't think you can have real emphasis. I just don't think people recognize when you grow up as a kid and you don't realize how many different levels it hurts you or reduces your confidence. I felt as if there was a ghost following me and my mom around whispering, you're not worthy.

You know, we had all these what I call little conversations like all my friends up were signing up for this driving school. Mom, I need to sign up. No, we signed up for the shitty driving school where this guy showed up in an old Vega. When my team would win a baseball and we'd all go to Farrells, my mom would kind of sequester me and I'd realize because my mom wasn't worried about who was going to pay. Did she have the money and didn't want to be in a uncomfortable position? When I didn't get into UCLA the first time I applied, a bunch of my friends, parents, a few of them, I remember them saying, well, you're such a smart kid. get on a plane tomorrow and go to Michigan and refuse to leave until they see you. And it's like, I didn't have a credit card. Like, I wasn't going to get on a plane for fucking an hour. I mean,

you just don't realize what it's like when you don't have. I've been on a plane maybe three times up until that point. And you start believing you're not worthy of higher education, or you're not worthy of finding a maid, or you're not worthy of getting a good job. a lot of that was washed over by my mom gave me something that I think is more important than even maybe economics. And that is every day just small little ways told me she loved me and she thought I was wonderful. And I still think that's the base of my confidence today. And then some of the stuff that's less virtuous, I don't think I was very kind, Anthony. I think up until the age of 40, I was pretty much saw everything through the lens of what's in it for me.

I was never mean. I was never unkind. But I was not philanthropic. I wasn't interested in really helping people unless I saw a route to it coming back to me. And it's sort of a, you know, I'm not proud of it. I don't, I think I could have, I could have been such a better man, quite frankly, with just a little amount of effort. At a very early age, I had a lot of success. And I lost it all, then got it back, and lost it all again. And just a few more kind words, a little bit of effort. for a little bit of more grace with my ex-wife a little bit, I just could have been a better man. And I write about that. And the book is more about my shortcomings and my struggle is trying to figure it out. And that's, you know, it's hard to put up the mirror sometimes. And we tell ourselves a story that makes ourselves seem that all our success is a function of our character and our grit and our failures are function of the markets. Most of my failures, Anthony, if I'm really honest, have been a function of my lack of character. And writing about that isn't a lot of fun.

I think you're being a little bit hard on yourself, but I identify with you a great deal because it brought me back. It was one chapter you were talking about your success anxiety, and it brought me back to like my first day on the trading desk at Goldman Scott. And so I remember it very vividly. I had a hard time moving from the bed to the shower. Okay, so I woke up at 5 a.m. I had to take the train into New York for I was living in Tarrytown. The movement from the bed to the shower, I didn't want to get in the shower. I had so much anxiety and I had the full on imposter syndrome going like, who the hell am I to get on the phone now and to declare myself a research analyst and a research expert to some, you know, 50 year old portfolio manager. There I was at the ripe old age of 27. And I felt this under confidence.

I felt this anxiety. Now, people say to me today, okay, they see me at 61, and they're like, oh, you know, you seem like Joe confidence. When did you make the transition, Scott? Like, when did it, was it age 40? I mean, for me, it probably wasn't believe, I mean, it's sort of ridiculous to tell you this, but it wasn't until I was 50 that I realized, you know, I got this. I can throw the ball.

I can get the ball into the hoop if I'm shooting it. I can throw the ball down to the end zone if I need to score a touchdown. But, you know, what did you make that transition from the uncertainty to the confidence that you have today? It doesn't sound, again, I try to be as raw as possible and just say what I'm thinking, instead of running it through a land acknowledgement or politically correct filter. I think for me it was women. And that is, when I was growing up, I was excited. exceptionally tall, exceptionally thin, and I had bad acne. And so I was kind of, I looked like Iqabod

Crane with bad skin. And then I got to UCLA and I made the crew team. I was always an athlete, but I would never have the size to continue to play football or basketball. And I joined the crew team at UCLA. And one of the wonderful things about UCLA is every athlete has access to the trainers and everything. And they put me on this high carb five meal a day diet and put me in the weight room every day. And I went from my 150 to 190 in about 27 months. And I took this drug called Accutane and my skin cleared up. And all of a sudden, women were interested in me. And I got, Melanie Kagan, this woman, this like wonderful, high character, attractive woman, like, quite frankly, just we fell in love with each other. And I had never had a relationship, much less someone who was high character

who just loved me. And I think that that kind of gave me just so much confidence that, like, I'm worthy of a good person's love on that level. Like, I knew my mother loved me. I knew I was always going to have friends. But, like, the confidence to be, to approach a woman who was, quite frankly, higher quality than me, and have her, I was in a relationship with her for about a year, it just gave me a sense of like self that I'd never had up until that point. And then there's a bunch of little things, getting a job of Morgan Stanley. I like you, I read at 21 or 22, I started at Morgan Stanley and some confidence, also some of that imposter syndrome. But I think, I think if I look back and think the thing that really kind of gave me a base and the thing that worries me about young men

now, I said, they don't have as many venues to demonstrate excellence in fine relationships. Because I think someone who you can kind of bear your soul with, and quite frankly, on a lot of levels, be naked with, and they still choose you. You know, only one and three men have that confidence now under the age of 30 because only one and three men are in relationships. So, yeah, my mother's an irrational passion for my well-being, getting a job in Morgan Stanley, getting into UCLA. And there were all sorts of little things. But I think it was like having a high character person just want to be with you. I had never had that before. I was a late bloomer, you know, sexually and from a relationship standpoint and just having a really high character person, you know, interested in me on that

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one of the most powerful lines, frankly, is being a good dad means being good to women. And so that relationship certainly impacted you, but I think it's true. It's almost biblical the line, actually. You know, the idea that you have to be good to your son's mom, your daughter's mom. And by the way, irrespective, if there's a breakup or a divorce, you've got to make sure you're taking care of them and you've got to make sure that you're thinking about it holistically. Talk a little bit about that because, you know, you point this out. I think it's so relevant to being a man. It's not about dominance or bravado, and I'm sort of paraphrasing your book, but it's really about responsibility. So talk a little bit about that. Yeah, I do think the best thing you can do for your boys is just to be really good to their mother. Even if you decide to

get divorced, when I look back on, quote, unquote, the things that, you know, were difficult for me, not having my dad very involved in my life was hard, but what was harder was he was not kind to my mother. You know, we were economically strained. He was not kind to her. It just created a ton of anxiety. I mean, you're the only kid in a house, and your mom is just a chocolate mess.

It just, there's no way to avoid it. And so, yeah, and I try to practice that now. I try to, and by no means, am I a perfect partner? I have a lot of flaws. But, you know, when their mom gets angry at me and lays down the law, like, I listen and I back down. And I want them to see that being a man does not mean asserting dominance. Like, I, you know, I want them to know that, I don't want to say mom's in charge, but we revere her. And there's a protection and a reverence that should be instinctive for them around women.

and that in itself might sound sexist, but I just think if you want your kids to have good relationships with women, you can tell them whatever you want. They're not going to kind of sort of listen to what you say, but they're absolutely going to watch what you do. Just looking back, the most stressful thing in my life was an absence of my father. It was the economic strain in the fact that my mom, my dad wasn't kind of. of my mom, it was really, really hard on her. And so I have tried to learn from that and be, you know, so anyway, in some, you know, be good to your kids. Be good to your kid's mom. And I don't even say wife, because even if you split up, you can still be good to their mom. I've been through a lot

of this stuff. So I empathize with it. And by the way, I have my whole list of, I have a phone book fill of shortcomings. But it's another, another chapter in here where you talk about men. young men being emotionally weaker than ever. But there's also emotions that are actually culturally forbidden for men to express. So what happens to a society when we have, so what emotions do you think are culturally forbidden to express? You write about them in the book. And then what do you think happens to society when we don't express them? Well, just going back to vary, if there's a single point of failure, if you wanted to reverse engineer to the single point of failure for a boy, a man, it's when he loses a male role model through death, divorce, or abandonment. What's

interesting is that girls in single-parent homes have similar outcomes of college attendance and self-harm. The moment a boy loses a male role model, he becomes more likely to be incarcerated at that moment than graduate from college. It ends up to why, while boys are physically stronger, they're emotionally and neurologically much weaker. And I think just recognizing that and recognizing the importance that once a boy doesn't have male mentorship, that society, the community, the mom has to figure out a way to get. And also men our age have to figure out a way to surround that boy with men. And even just saying the boys need men was triggering five years ago. And now the dialogues become much more productive. Going to people our age or older,

I'll talk about this in the book, from the age of 29 to 44 for 15 years. I didn't cry a single time. I didn't cry when my business went under, when I got divorced, when my mom. died. I just, I forgot how. And it's really more of an unlock to what I advise young people, especially men to do, is if something inspires you to really slow down and kind of wait in it and trying to understand why it moves you, when you find something funny, try and laugh out loud and really absorb the emotion. And if something moves you, allow yourself to get emotional and even cry, because I find one, it slows time down, which I'm trying to do. And it just informs your life. And I'm not exaggerating. When I'm with other men sometimes and something moves me and I

tear up talking about a story, I feel as if all the men around the table look at me and they are jealous. They're like, I could, I wish I could have a six pack of that to go. Like, I don't know how to do that. Interesting. And I could really, I could really use some of that. And the reason we choke back is that we've been taught for thousands of years that if we express emotion, it signals weakness and that another man might kill us and eat our family and take our shit. So it's just a natural reaction to not want to express that kind of weakness or vulnerability. And I can't tell you, Anthony, I write about my mom. I'm a 61-year-old man that's still not over the death of his mother.

And I'll hear from the CEOs of Fortune 500 companies and they'll want to come talk to me. and they want to talk about how much they miss their mom. I mean, there's just such a, there's such a, a reservoir of men who want permission to talk about their emotions and just don't think they can because it'll signal weakness on an earnings call or something. It's just, so it's been a big unlock for me.

Yeah, I mean, listen, there's so many good parts about the book, the vulnerability, the reveal, the honesty. You say something about service that you, and I totally believe in. I think this is one of the reasons why I feel so close to you, even though we don't, we don't hang out every day, but I feel like we're kindred spirits. You're a big believer in creating opportunity for others. I live for that. I know you live for that. And tell us how that helps almost become like an antidote to isolation and resentment. How does it help, Scott? Is he get older, you become more thoughtful? That's the good news. The bad news is you become more thoughtful.

and I recognize that I had not planted that many trees, the shade of which I won't sit under, and it was time for me to catch up. And what I have found about trying to get involved in some stuff where I can provide opportunities for other, it's not ethical, it's not philanthropy. I think of it is consumption. I just think it makes me feel really strong. It makes me feel really American. It makes me feel really masculine.

So I'm shocked at how much personal satisfaction I get. I don't think of this philanthropy, I think of this, philanthropy, I think of its consumption. And, you know, guys of our generation, look, with 5% of the population from 1945 to 2000, America registered a third of the economic growth globally. We had destroyed Germany and Japan. You know, we were just, we were just, China wasn't up yet in running. We were just basically at a monopoly on the global economy. And then within that six-x prosperity, the majority of it was cramination. into the third of the population that was right, heterosexual male. I mean, the two of us were exactly the same age.

We really did hit the lottery. But we now have a debt. And that debt is we have to try and shove the ladders back down for younger people. And when you look at the economics, first time in nation's history, a 30-year-old isn't doing as well as his her parents were at 30. And you look at just the cost of housing, cost of education, all the ways you save money, build economic security,

get ahead, the certification need to get ahead. They just don't have it as good as. us. So a lot of this, quite frankly, is just a nod back to, I just feel it's like that my, one of my favorite shows, season one of true detective, Matthew McConaughey tracks down Woody Harrelson and wants his help solving a murder and Woody Harrelson wants nothing to do with them. And Matthew McConaughey reminds him, looks at him and goes, you have a debt. Because earlier in the series, Matthew McConaughey basically covered for Woody Harrelson. I feel like society, is constantly reminding me when I get to do the things I do, I have a voice from my ear going,

you have a debt. And I know that voice is accurate and just common sense. And I didn't hear that voice until I was in my 40s. And the thing about it such that I don't sound like I'm doing too much virtue signaling is it makes me feel strong. It makes me feel like a good person. It makes me feel very American. So I get a lot out of this stuff and I don't, you know, I just, I'm starting, I finally, I enjoyed a lot more than I thought I would. When you talk about these relationships that we have as men, some parts are related to power, some parts of it are related to belonging, what's most resonating to you?

Let's say you had a young guy in front of you. maybe they were out of the bank or maybe they were in the art world or something like that. What would be the resonating message? Is it, because most people are trying to seek a little bit of both, right, Scott, but isn't belonging, I think, more therapeutic?

Every study on, I wrote a book on happiness because I struggle with it. And every study across ethnographies, geographies, comes down to the same thing, and that is deep and meaningful relationships. So, I think for men to have really strong relationships, it means they have to be economically viable. I think that's one of the cruel

truths of capitalism. Men are disproportionately evaluated on their economic liability. I'm not saying you need to run Goldman Sachs, but at least be viable. Don't be an economic liability on your partner or your family. And I think that men just are going to have a very, marriage has become a luxury item, and that is you have a one and four chance of ever being married if you're in a lower quintile income home as a man. You're three and four chance if you're in the upper quintile. And men, we don't like to have this conversation, but men are disproportionately evaluated on their economic viability. Bayonne's say could work at McDonald's and Mary JZ.

The opposite is not true. So you find a path to economic viability. Unfortunately, I think that's a must. And then, you know, work on yourself, forgive yourself when you screw up, try and have a kindness practice. You know, you said, you mentioned an artist, I have this whole thing about don't follow your passion, follow your talent.

But I think the key is for young people, let me go to how I mentor young men. I try to find eight to 12 hours in their phone. You know, you have more human capital and financial capital. I don't want you to reallocate it across three areas, one. You're going to get fit. You're going to get strong. The male form under the age of 30 is just incredible.

That double-twitch muscle, dense bone structure, testosterone. I mean, you're going to, you're going to, you're going to realize you could have been so strong and fast that you'll wish you'd take an advantage of that. So take advantage of it. You'll be less depressed, more attractive to mates. You know, who breaks up fights at bars? Big strong men, who defends our country, who feels good about themselves. So get strong. Second, you got to make some money. If you have a smartphone, you can make some money. Panera bread is desperate for people to work in their stores at 18 $18 an hour. You can make $15 to $40 an hour as an Uber driver or a task rabbiter.

And once you get a taste of the flesh of money, you start figuring out capitalism getting better at it. You start finding out how wonderful money is. And the way to make a lot of money is to start banking a little. And then the third thing is we've got to put ourselves in the agency of strangers once or twice a week. Church group, athletically, riding class, and then we're going to slowly but surely make an approach, platonic approach. Do you want to watch the game this weekend? And then eventually a romantic approach, do you want to grab coffee? And the key is to get to know, because what I try to tell these young men,

is that everyone you admire has one thing in common. They've endured a massive number of noes. And if you want to punch above your weight class economically or romantically, you have to get used and practice with no. So those are kind of the three hacks or exercises I give to young men. And we try and find all that capital in their phone, that human capital. Get off of TikTok, Twitter, U-Porn, Coinbase, Robin Hood, all that shit is literally the killers of masculinity in my mind because the amount of time you spend outside of your home is going to be directly correlated to your success. Men age 20 to 30 are spending less time outdoors than prison inmates right now. So Scott, we're down to the last couple of minutes here. My producer and I took five words out of your book. Okay. So I'm going to say

the word, you give me a sentence, something that comes to your mind when I say the word. Okay. Okay. Okay. Ready? So if I say the word adolescence, you say what? Dopes and junior senator from Pennsylvania. That's how we describe adolescent boys and adolescent girls. The delta maturity is just striking to me. Masculinity. I say the word masculinity. You say what? Surplus value. Noticing more people's lives and notice yours, creating more economic value and jobs and you registered, loving more people than have loved you. Fatherhood. Purpose. And being good to their mother.

Boys were unwittingly, we've unwittingly bet the entire U.S. economy on our ability to evolve a new species of asocial and asexual males. That's what boys are up against. True story. Okay, last word. I'm going to give you the last word. I say the word men who comes to mind. I think a lot of males die at 80 and never become men.

And I just think it comes back to surplus value. You want to leave having given more than you've taken. Well, I mean, you've certainly done that, Scott. You've been a great friend to me and a great friend to many. And, you know, I'm a friend of you, but also I'm a fan. You know, I like all of your stuff on it. Instagram. I love the Kara Scott show. I love you with Ed. Ladies and gentlemen, the best selling author. The title of the book is Notes on Being a Man by Professor Scott Galloway.

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