OpTic Podcast - BACK TO YOUTUBE?! CDL'S HUGE MISTAKE | OpTic Podcast Ep. 110

Episode Date: February 10, 2023

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I don't know. Listen, this league from the beginning of time has, like the competitive integrity of the league has always been compromised because of the viewership and the importance of it because of the scheduling. We've been complaining. Optic always plays last. Everybody, no, first and last on a Friday. And everybody, all the, some pros and some community people would say shit like,

oh, because they're optic. Because they're optic, they get this benefit or because I'm like, it's not a benefit to start to open the show on a Friday. wait eight hours to play the last match of the night when everyone's fucking tired of sitting around and then that mattering into or that being pool play that matters into into the seating of the following two days. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome to episode number 110 of the optic podcast. My co-host today is my man Hitch. We have Seth and of course Mr. Hooke at the end who had an incredible weekend, not the placing that we wanted, but you still had a couple of impactful plays that I was just so. happy to see part of the hiccup Seth you did incredible man yeah

what I don't know I thought you got mad because we didn't give you any prop no no no it seemed like you were a little upset over there it's not the placing we wanted and I was like I mean I was just about to say I think I think T4 in the CDL era something to be proud of T4 is not easy in my winning is really hard I thought you picked a nose hair before is like the only reason I brought up the placing is because right before the

I started like I said I'm a yo man you went off and you close your eyes like a little bit like you wanted to say which we would have taken it home and of course we all wish you you would have um yeah and are we it just mellow man yeah I mean I mean you know you want to win them every single one but as a competitor but it's the way it goes sometimes I feel like we had our opportunity there but it's always it's on onto the neck onto the night yeah that's all we can I like I like that I like the zen when he's when he's telling his story he's halfway he closes his eyes for you to for you to like pay more attention like is he like that's how focused he is uh so yeah uh how was how was boston was it really as cold as i said it was that

just like glitch in the system it was cold um it was definitely cold uh i mean shit it was a dope event though it was a dope event yeah yeah yeah i got a question for katt and i guess for you too because you were there as well a lot of people were saying the food in boston was mid well no it's not a lot of people it was just and it was just shots it was just shots it Oh, it was just a aunt? Just shot, yeah. Yeah. Maybe Brandon.

And I'm trying this, like, weird new diet, and still I found some fire, fire food. It's not weird. It's, I mean, yeah, actually, what the fuck in my sense is the weirdest. What was the best dish that you had while there? And was it seafood? I had. Do you eat seafood? No, not currently.

Do you like seafood? I do like seafood. I love it. It only works. Would I have food? Yeah. What? Oh, see food.

Oh, okay. I got you. On camera, it's harder to get jokes. I, but all he did was open his mouth. Yeah, see food. Okay. Oh, oh, see the food. I haven't heard that since elementary school, bro.

No, I had like a, I had like a cascadio. You know that one? It's a bad one. You're not missing anything. He had a cassidia. He said that was pretty good. It's really good. That was the best food you had.

Yeah, the food was mid. Cazade. it was the best thing we agree with shots eat no I will say we've been there before yeah I was gonna say the best food I had it was like this like lobster like macaroni thing that's that sounds more bossy that sounds more bastard that sounds more bastin

it was good it was actually an appetizer it was an appetizer no I didn't have lobster roll it's funny how amongst friend groups a certain like saying like sticks like say less for you guys or whatever or you know like certain little things for close to four years call it 2011 forward

in our group because of Paul Megna, we had me, Rishi and other people, we had like, he was like, yo, is that cool? He's that, man, it's so cool.

Is that heavy butter burst cool? Because we were having lobster. Hold on. We were having lobster with Paul Megna, and he was fucking dumping butter on his fucking lobster. And then, and then Rishi goes like, he's like,

yo, that's, you're putting some heavy butter on that. And he's like, yeah, you came into a heavy butter burst. And since then, Since then, like that is like our inside heavy butter, like everything's like how good it's like man, that's a heavy butter butter.

Your impersonation's insane. Yeah, your ego impersonation is real. That is insane. It's really good. It's insaneo. What is Insano? I don't know. I just insane.

It's pretty good. It's insaneo. Yeah, you have insane. I didn't know if it came from somewhere. I missed something. Well, Captain Insano from Waterboy. Open up a can of whipass. Oh, I've never seen.

I've never seen that. I don't think so. That movie's comedy. I haven't seen like Adam Sandler movie. Have you ever seen the movie Encino Man? No. Have you met Encino Man? I thought that was going to be like Encino Man, these nuts or something.

I thought that's what the joke that was coming. You relax. I don't have those jokes. Yeah, me neither. All right. Encinomac chat. I mean, I'm so used to seeing in this room saying, Stream.

Whoever's watching this in the comments section, have you guys seen Encino Man with Pauly Shore? The Weasel. You know Pauly Shore? Yeah, from Jersey Shore. No, that is not Pauly Shore. Polly D. That's Polly D from Jersey Shore.

Poly Shore, the weasel. Can we talk about the weather in Texas, by the way? Look outside. Jay, J.J., you've heard of Polly Shore, right? See? I guess it's an age thing. Yeah, must be. Should I watch it?

It's right up your alley. What's the genre? Comedy. Ranchi comedy. Oh, that's the good shit. Is it like weed smoking? Riley, you've heard of Encino Man, the movie Encinomeman? No, they can't.

They can't. They can't. They can't. They want to, trust. They just can't. Yeah. You say one wrong thing. Yeah.

What are you talking about? Just like you saying they don't make raunchy comedies anymore. Oh, they don't. This one's way out there. Like Harold and Kumar and American, American Pie. Wedding Crashers? That's not as bad as like. Oh, it is.

If you're, Grandma's boy. Tropic Thunder. Wait, Tropic Thunder. Oh, that shit was crazy. Topic Thunder? Yeah. That movie's great.

It is good. Yeah. Trump and thunder is amazing. But they wouldn't do that shit nowadays. Oh, no. No, they would not do. No, they wouldn't. But I don't know.

I think Joe Rogan or Robert Donnie Jr. did a, or Joe Rogan podcast recently when he's like, you know, like he's like, yeah, you know, shit like that doesn't fly anymore.

But since he was like told, who was, who was on the, Jamie Fox, I think told him to do it. And then he's like, all right, fuck it.

I mean, I guess I'm going to do that shit. Jamie Fox said, I think I saw that podcast. They were talking about how it's not accepted, but like, it's all a joke at the end of them. You know what I mean? I don't know. I find that a lot of the time, the people that get offended, for my people at least, are not my people.

You know what I mean? I think it's the hutchest of the world, the woke. Yeah. I'm like, don't fucking defend me, hutch. Well, I want to bring something up if we're on that topic. Have you seen the amount of like backlash on streamers for playing Harry Potter? Yeah. Legacy.

Yeah. What do you think about that? It's fucking ridiculous. It's fucking. Now, look, I want to say that I support or am with, what's her name? J.K. Rowling. J.K. Raw. To be honest, I don't even know what the fuck she said, but I know that she's anti-LGBQ or whatever.

Anti-trans. Anti-trans. Yeah. It's like, mind your business, first of all. Like, if you have an opinion, if you're a public person, then you may be more reserved. But the streamers that are playing that game don't support that. I can guarantee you there is. is an entire entire like I mean I don't know hundreds maybe hundreds of thousands of people

that belong or are a part of LGBTQ themselves that are playing this game that love Harry Potter that love Harry Potter and here's the thing is that there are people that gate keep like what they're mad at like if you say I can't believe you would play a Harry Potter game but you play an Activision game after all the Activision shit came out then like you're picking you're putting yourself up to pick one thing over the other so what Wait, so trans rights is more important than women's rights. And it's like, when you start thinking that way, you put yourself in a rabbit hole and you just go further and further down to now you don't even know what you're arguing anymore. And you can't do anything.

You have to sit at home and eat broccoli. That's the only way to not offend people. But then, like, who knows if the broccoli farmer hurts animals. You know what I mean? Like, you, that's, that way of thinking is so ridiculous to me because anything you buy. You're always trying to find something. Anything you buy or purchase or obtain from a large corporation, someone shitty is getting money. You're putting money into someone's pocket that is a shitty person.

I promise you. It's inevitable. It's inevitable. Vegans or people who only eat vegetables don't ever take into account that the farmers that grow these things are killing every goal for every insect. Like you, but they're like there's no one, no one can ever make anybody happy and the best thing that you can. doing a situation is just mind your own business. And let people kiss whoever the fuck they want to kiss. Mind your fucking business.

I like separate the artist from the work as well. 100%. And it's not even, it's her IP. The only thing that she has to do with is IP. It's her intellectual property. Harry Potter like. Which like props to her for inventing this beautiful world. But she didn't make the game.

But she didn't make the game. And also who the fuck cares what she thinks? I don't, who cares what she cares? The only thing I care about what she thinks, is how cool this world is. The thing is Harry Potter. The only thing I care about her. I don't care what she eats.

I watch all of them like a hundred times. I don't care who she talks to. I don't care any about her at all except the fact that she made just. Well, people are saying that's like, well, she's making more money. Who cares? She's got, she has enough money. Who fucking cares?

The only people that are losing in this is you because you're being mad thinking about something that you cannot change. And I, it looks incredible. Is has been playing it? I sympathize with, with people that are upset. Like that are like maybe they're trans or they're close friends with somebody.

I sympathize with their hurt. But also for every like person like like it's a wizard that was a misfit and then found a place to be accepted. And anytime that is the storyline, there are got to be millions of people who didn't know what, you know, let, you know, maybe they were gay and they didn't want to come out or maybe they, you know, felt a certain way. And so that gave them a place. Yeah. That is, that's just the core aspect of, of stories like that, of Harry Potter's, of things like that. You can relate to it in your own way. So there's got to be millions of people out there that are LGBT or are trans or are, you know, or feel a certain way or felt like left out that found a place in that world.

And now they, all they've ever wanted to do is go to Hogwarts. I would love to go to Hogwarts. That's the all, it's all they've ever wanted to do. And now you're taking that away from them because it spells a motherfucker. It looks good. You're a snake now. but I can talk to snakes so what's good

I don't know I'm not I know that's just how I feel about it I saw something about it and the thing is is this is like when I saw that that was going I lived so like Kyler doesn't know

just to fill you in so Harry Potter legacy just came out yeah my girlfriend's been playing yeah big game huge game and so a lot of just I don't even know just trans

so apparently JK J.K. Ralling a couple years ago said that she just didn't support trans people. Yeah, so yeah. And a lot of people on the internet have been basically witch hunting everyone else that's been playing the game because of what J.K. Rawlings said. But the thing is, so like, so you're streaming it, right?

There's people coming into your chat saying, I can't believe that you support J.K. Rawlings' like disgust of the trans community. And it's like, why? But the game doesn't have to do with her. The game doesn't have to do it. Neither does. What's the problem? It's J.K. Rawlings' IP, which is Harry Pop.

She made it. She's making money off the game. She made some shitty remarks. And people are basically, exactly, they're gatekeeping people playing the game and streaming the game because of what she said. But also, if you've ever been to Universal. I see. If you ever been a universal, J.K. Rowling gets money.

If you ever watched a rerun on the, like on the, on TV, J.K. Rowling gets money. I just thought it was crazy. If you ever bought a card. There are clips of people, like, there's a clip of a stream. streamer literally like his wife is in the background crying and he's like I can't play this game on stream there's too much hate in my chat and like he literally and then people's argument was well you don't have to stream it and it's like dude like no people you don't have to stream it it's like or you could just not come into the chat and fucking yeah it's my problem can't keep fun there's no

winning there's no win yeah i just wanted to talk about because i thought it was like kind of insane Because like, I will say that people are, I mean, there are hate raids and there are like shitty people out there like on both sides. But like I do think that more people. I mean, I had a million people playing it yesterday. Wow. Streaming. That's amazing. That's amazing.

That's crazy. And it's just like, okay. It broke records. It's the most, it's the highest peak viewership of a single player game on Twitch ever. Wow. That's crazy. And probably to some extent is because. Because of the drama that's around the drama.

So it's like, 100%. It's just making it bigger. Yeah. Because people are going to watch now, I mean, even if they're hate watching, like they're still going to watch.

Right. Which is in turn making it bigger. I just, I find it difficult with the amount of people that, that have issues on a daily basis, to also have time to concentrate on hating someone who had nothing to do with what somebody said elsewhere in the world. I mean,

I hate that shit. Bro, it makes no sense to me. And I personally don't live my life that way. I have, I kiss who you want to kiss, like, whatever you do behind closed doors or in front of people. I don't give a fuck. None of my fucking business, period ever. And I am so pre-internet that I just find it hard to sometimes live in a world in which people are okay with not only having opinions, but feeling as though their opinions should matter. You know what I mean?

Like my opinion shouldn't matter on a topic that I'm not closely involved with at all. Like, no, if, if I have a hard opinion on Dota, no one should listen to me because I don't participate in Dota. I'll participate in e-sports as a whole. Or if, like, you had an opinion on, like, who's the best basketball player ever? Like, no one should listen to you because what I'm saying, what I'm saying is that if you, if you can, if you can find time. to hate on somebody playing a video game, then you should be able to find time to sit there and truly reflect on whether or not you are being a little bit too out of line and out of touch. The thing is, it all boils down to is that I guarantee you that 90, I mean, just a very high percentage of the people playing the game, either A, don't know what she said.

People probably don't even know that she said that. Just joining the pitchboard. Like people that don't live online, they have no fucking idea what she said. No quote. Or B, where was I going to go? I'm sorry. Or B, they don't support what she said and they just like Harry Potter. Right.

Right. They just want to play Harry Potter. That's just how. What you said is, what you said to, I like, you're like, you separate like the art behind it. From the artist. Yeah. You know? It's art.

You know. I don't have to like the artist to like the art. I bet you there are way more people out there. If it's good and you like it. Perfect example. Yeah. Perfect example. when you were singing, I believe I can fly.

And I'm like, whoa, you can't, you know, sing that anymore. Holy shit, that is Arkelley, isn't it? Because it's Arkelly. And we experienced it with Hutch and we were like joking around. And he's like, well, I'm not singing an R. Kelly song. I'm singing a song that was covered by this band. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But in that, you know, scenario where he is a fucking horrible fucking person, there's an art that was created that millions enjoyed. Right? And because you enjoyed the music, it didn't directly correlate on your belief in being a fucking pedophile. Yeah. The thing is,

it's like, no one, no one's going out and, and, like, you're not going to go out and buy R. Kelly's new album.

You're not going to do that. No. Because he's a horrible person. But if his song, I believe I can fly, is in a rom-com that came out in 2003, you're not going to cancel the rom-com from 2003 because it happened to have Arkelli in it.

That's just not, that's not how it works. Yes. And look, I'm pretty sure that somebody watching, this has a very strong opinion about what we're saying and are opposed to what we're saying. Put it in the description down below. Your opinion matters and no one's going to read it.

So please continue. We have to, we have to be okay as humans. We have to be okay with the fact that, hey, maybe my opinion, because I have a Twitter account, doesn't matter. You know what I'm saying? In the grand scheme of things, people, people, people get mad. Yeah. It's just, I just don't understand how people can just... A lot of...

A lot of, the amount of, like, the amount of, like, threads that I see, and it's just, like, insane arguing over nothing. Nothing. You're going nowhere. You're both making yourselves mad and ruining your day for what? For nothing. Nothing will get done. You are talking to a person on the internet.

You don't know who this person is. You don't know where they're about. You don't know where they are. You don't know what they're about. You don't know anything about them. You're literally arguing with like a profile picture. Yeah. Anyway, let's put a bow on it.

Yeah, I think we should move on. I just wanted to bring it up because I thought it was like... Are you asking because you want to play it on? on stream? Oh, I'm going to play it on stream 100%. I don't go for a fuck. Yeah. I mean, like, people can come in and hate, like, that's not going to stop me from doing if I want to play it, I'm going to play.

Yeah. Not, not our belief. I don't agree with anything that she said, but I love Harry Pop. It's a game, man. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I have a question. One last thing. If you as a creator, feel or have like angst about playing a game, ask yourself whether or not you're a good person,

whether or not you are in any way negative to or somebody else. And if The answer is, you know what? No, I am a good person, and I don't care who kisses who, and I don't care like that. Play the game. And whoever, just remember, those people more often than not are sometimes even trolling and they don't believe it themselves. You know what I mean? Like, oh my God, I can't believe you're playing this game.

Like, just look within if you believe that you're a good person and the game and your enjoyment of this game has nothing to do with anything negative. Continue to play the game. Entertain your audience. The moment that someone can make you mad, they have control over you. Yeah. Fuck. You are my master then. Huh?

Because you piss me all the time. Not make you mad, but get under your skin. Now they're in control. Yeah. Anyway. So yeah. I read that on TikTok. I saw it.

It makes sense. And as a person that doesn't like to play first or what do you call it? Story game modes. I wanted to fucking play it. I don't know why. It looks really good. Yeah. That should be.

I've been watching like bits and pieces. of what is it has been playing and it looks so fun it looks crazy it looks so fun it looks great you could it's not like a game like where you need like super fast response yeah it is like a visually it looks great bro yeah it looks great like just hell yeah i don't know if i'll play it i still have to finish what you should do is smoke and watch someone play it that's the way to go yeah yeah because i'm i'm never going to play it really well i might play it but like it's game like story games are such a dedication now i bet you you with a 90 hour game.

It's probably... How many hours spent? Isn't the new Zelda coming out soon to you? New Zelda? Dude, that game, that game is going to blow the fuck up. Yeah. It's Breath of the Wild two. Yeah, have you finished Breath of the Wild?

No. Breath of Wild is insane. But like, again, because it's like an 80-hour game. Like, I can only play story games that are like seven hours max. Yeah, 25 hours to beat Hogwarts Legacy. 25 hours. Which is not that bad. But it's like, I heard it's like 90, 90 hours.

If you want to like 100% Oh if you want a 100% Why wouldn't you want a thing You know do it? I see enjoy that time Well yeah I take those games And I look at them as like

A we could never get another thing like it And B like we're not going to get anything like it For a long time even if we do get something like So I'm gonna milk this shit Yeah And like really you know I get you And I love Harry Potter

I love I really love Harry Potter But so like that's why I think I'm gonna watch it Like I'm gonna sit down and I'm gonna find somebody i don't know if it's gonna be hollow or like any of these like let's play guys and i'm just gonna put on their uh their stream and just like or they're like watch part or uh sorry watch watch party yeah there let's plays and just like watch watch episodically because like that looks fun to me uh and it's it's not and that way i don't have to like dedicate like time you know what i mean yeah but it's good content too it is it is good content i'm i'm i'm with it i i never i don't

watch Dead Red Red Red redemption and I'm like oh I want to play that shit but this one I was like man I love the Harry Potter movies I only watch them once each but I'm like maybe I should watch them and then go out and play it they're so good to get a refresh of my memory but like I wanted to play it like I am it sort of reminded me of the old school games where you like fell through a wall and then you landed on this like

fucking crazy thing and before the internet you felt as though you were the only person on the planet that saw this and if you couldn't replicate it if you couldn't explain it to someone, they would think that you were just bullshit. But the artwork looks insane. Like everything about it looks amazing. Um, whether or not I'll play it. Like I have a want to play it.

Whether or not I'll sit down and commit the hours that you're talking about playing it. Uh, whether, whether, uh, on, on the pine park or not, I don't know. If some shit came out like this and it was Star Wars, like, like, well, Jedi, Jedi fall in order, right? Yeah, but that was more of multiplayer. But that was like a linear thing. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you're saying?

like more open world. Yeah, like anything open world ever came out like this? I play it. Because like the old Republic is out, but that's like an MMRP. Like I don't, I don't really Yeah. That's like wow. Yeah, it's like wow. Yeah, I don't I can't get into that. And it's like dead. Is it dead? I don't think anybody plays that. I don't know. Yeah. Wow still. No, the, the Star Wars one. Oh, wow still pop. Yeah, I was going to say wow. Wow

always got it. Did you ever play Roomscape? Wow was like God. Like, wow could release the shittiest shit. People are don't play lot. Did either one of you guys ever play Roomscape? No. No? Okay. Never mind. Apparently there's like a huge like the old school runescape like it's gigantic still. So I want I want to like check it out eventually. Oh my God. No way. Wow. Imagine that's what I'm talking about. Matt that's what you're talking about. No, Matt's going to go crazy. Matt is Matt plays this game where he builds a spaceship and I'm not talking about a spaceship like you're like you're like you're in it and you go and put chips in like places. It's like this massive.

ever heard about this game have you heard of the no man scott no no Matt bring it up what's it he's like star citizen star citizen yeah you heard a star citizen it's the most it is the it's the it's the most fundraised is the most what is it's it crowdfunded game of all time really what the heck so you buy ships like real ship like you buy no sorry you buy ships with real money and they you can it's so big we're like you can fly a ship into another ship right what the hell but you don't because you spend money on oh no like like like land a ship yeah wait so is it like open world like other people

yeah how it's not open world it's open universe how big is the universe what the hell that's crazy I did not know okay time up okay seven planets seven planets every planet is one seven every planet has moons around it and each moon one seventh the size of earth like in game

so if you wanted to go if you wanted to fly oh wait walk or fly fly fly no walk okay if you wanted to fly all the way around one planet in Star Citizen it would take you a day that's insane really and there are seven planets and every planet

has a moon and you can land I mean it's gigantic I mean I can't even imagine and the whole purpose of the game is is it's kind of like sandbox right or survival game yeah so you just do whatever the fuck you want and you can you you got guns you can shoot things i don't understand how this game this is what this is what our previous generation was scared up yeah star citizen why because people are going to go in their basement and never leave because it's better than real life better it's better than real life yeah like as soon as it gets optimized even more to like when you get like it's really like 200 frames

Yeah, VR, imagine the second that you actually get in there. And you get into like a chair that actually vibrates and moves and heat that comes out of the across. I had never, I had never even heard of this game until Matt started telling me about it. And I'm like, how big are the sizes? Like, you walk into them and they're big. And then you walk into your ship. There's no loading screen. It's a ship.

Yeah. Oh, wow. That's insane to me. There's no loading screens? Matt, how much have you spent on that game? A lot? Like 10 grand? He's afraid to say.

Three grand But your ship's dope though He says the coolest game That's ever been made How much do you play, Matt Greg? That's insane He said he'll go one month And playing it every day

Another month not playing it every day Yeah, it's like Minecraft for adults So yeah I don't know I have the I've seen that on TikTok Like Star Citizen I've seen it

I have the want to play I've never seen it The Harry Potter game So I might Just give a shot Maybe in this part of my life Where it was a little bit chill Like my nights to be chill

I think I might play it and see what happens So if I like it, if not But I'm gonna give it a shot Hop on two hours Look you leave me I need to get I need to get a big A big like monitor

A big like two millisecond response time Like because I have a big TV That comes with our apartment But like I tried to play Horizon Zero Dawn Or Horizon the new one I tried to play that on my PS5 And I like couldn't play it Cause of the lag

Yeah See, is playing on PS5, Harry Potter. She just doesn't know a lagging. She doesn't know. She just doesn't know what 240 Hertz feels like. I put her on an H-DMI, 60 hertz and shit. Oh, shit. She's loving it.

Yesterday, she was like, I was like, are you having fun? Because she's, like, playing right behind me. I'm like, you having fun? She's like, I'm in a hairstylist and Harry Potter. Yes, I'm having fun. That's love it. That's so good. That is good.

She literally has a cutout under the screen. Oh, the map? Triangle circle square X I'm not kidding She's never played a controller game before Yeah She doesn't know what's the Yeah yeah yeah yeah

I haven't even thought about that Yeah I had to beat a boss for her last night Olivia plays claw No she doesn't Or like doesn't know what any like she just plays claw You play claw right? Yeah What do you call it?

And plays claw Naturally Yeah she naturally She naturally just like started playing claw I don't think so Yeah it's crazy I figured out I didn't even know this is the thing until this last event

team with Brandon. Brandon like clicked the button YWYW. Well he uses like this part of his thumb to aim too. It's so weird. Like use the tip of your thumb, right? Wait, stop there and say it again. Brandon uses like this thing to aim. What?

Like right? But you know how much he Y Y is right? He doesn't claw, so he's clicking Y Y Y Y. Yeah. And then bringing his- He's on Mars. Wait, wait, he's Y-Wing. I play on, I play on.

I know it's impressive, but like shit. I mean, it's impressive, but like, I didn't know that. I mean, I've, I've, I've called in airstrikes without taking like, you know, just reaching over. No way. Yeah. But this guy's doing what?

It's the amount he does it and he's like doing it while aiming like that. So yeah, it's not, I'm not impressed. Yeah. That's dope. I heard that the, that the player area was the best ever according to page that this, this was the way that players and player area should be treated. How was the? I agree. Yeah. It was dope.

Yeah. I mean, we had our own little space. I think most teams did. even like the space where it was like other four teams or whatever still looked like it was solid you know what I mean but nah our space was really really dope

really really dope did they put losers all in like one room I think so but it wasn't like a room it was like I mean it was a room I didn't see it too much so I don't want to speak too much on it but yeah it was like a room but it had like other stuff and bathrooms and all that type of stuff yeah so there was like a I think so where like the actual pro lounge

Just the first time there was a pro lounge. Oh, yeah, you were there. You were a pro lounge? There was a pro lounge. That's like, Claire was super hype about it. She was like, you know, because of like COVID, like, COVID, like, guidelines, like being a little bit more lax. Now there's a pro lounge again, which I forgot pro lounges were even a thing.

Were people using it? Yeah. Yeah, people were. Yeah. I mean, they were practicing, but like the teams that were knocked out, like, they would go in there and chill, watch the games play pinball and, oh, that's dope. You know, watch, they were watching a Lord of the Rings in there. And like, yeah, it was cool.

I was like, holy shit, I haven't. felt like the atmosphere of a pro lounge of forever. Like it seems like you guys, you guys are all super separate now. Yeah. Whereas before like, especially in blackups three days, like if a team got knocked out,

they would just hang out together all weekend. And I forgot about that. But like it was cool to see it to see a pro lounge again. But there was a there was like individual team rooms. And then there was a pro lounge. And in the pro lounge, that's where the losers were. So there,

there were, there were rooms, individual rooms attached to like where the Pro Lounge Plus. So like the common room basically. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but I think nowadays when, if you get knocked out early enough, I think that now

because of how Call of Duty has evolved and how people, you know, players have grown up, that they now just change their flights to come home early and there's not a really. Only divas do that. I didn't go home early. What? I'd ever say you did? Wait, what the fuck? Wait, the Shoe pit or something?

Don't feel guilty. the first event we went home early that's because we were in Raleigh and the best city ever If we were in Boston I would have stayed for sure Got some clam chowder Dude it was right next to Fenway

Literally the I would have liked to have gone to Fenway Because everyone in my life was telling me not to go Just because I was like flying it was cold as fuck here It was cold there But I was like I've never been to like Boston and actually like seen the city. So I just wanted to go. I will say I've never seen you like I've seen you compete over the last decade plus.

And I've never seen you so nervous about not being able to make it 20 event. You weren't even competing, but you wanted the stream to be there so bad that you were just like, just constantly like can we go there? How can we go there? Like I was the whole time as we're trying to figure out how to go like you were away. So used to going. No, you were just a little bit too much too stress for me. You're just from being honest. Like it took it took a lot of me. I'm so used to going.

I was like, I fell hell of weird. I'm like, no one's gonna be mad. They're gonna understand. But what if I'm like, oh my God, it was a little bit too much.

But you know, like it shows that you care, but don't care too much. I need to stop. I need to stop caring as much. Yeah. Just a little. I care too much.

Yeah. But it's so hard to just like flip that switch off. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I was just, it's just different. I feel that. I feel that.

What was it? I can just change how I am as a person. Like, I have a, I have a question for you. Since you've been on his stream. like pay attention to what he's saying, but he's like teaching people a lot about respawn.

And like you guys always only played S&D. Like what is it like? Like because I'm learning a lot about respawn, especially in this game because I didn't, I haven't played respawns since like the blackups two ghost days. So I don't like no spawns or rotations. But I'm like learning along with tens of thousands of people. What is it like for you to like learn?

I told them on the way back home, I'm like, yo, I'm actually, I mean, you should do more. On the first day, I'm like, yo, you should do more. more of that analytical shit, because you explained in a way that made sense for me, and I've never looked at a mini map when I'm, when I'm spectating you guys play. So for you to analyze it the way that you do, I mean, you should do more of that. Like one, the chat, I saw the chat, loved it. Me, personally, I'm like, man, I actually, like, felt like you were, you were educating

in a manner in which, like, easy that. I'm not saying that Maven doesn't explain things to me the way that's a thing. But it's just a lot easier when a professional, when a professional did it. My question, though, here's a question. Yeah. We know the spawn. So it's like, yeah. He's not blocking. He's not blocking. Yeah. So this is my question, though. This is my question. What happens when the next thing comes out and you don't know the sponsor? Because ultimately you're not playing them. You don't know what I mean?

This game for two years. Let's worry about that when it comes to fruition. Let's cross that road when it gets here. So you're saying you're coming back. I mean, I could watch a mini map see where the spons are and break it down. It's not like. It's not. I could watch one set of scrubs. Like I could like next year, like whenever the game changes, I'll probably hop in one of their scrims and be like,

you just let me spectate one scrim. Just watch the minimap. It takes like one sish. Takes one good sish. Yeah. Like, oh, that's a spawn. That's a secondary spawn. Like you just.

And I'm sure that there is no issue in you one night on a Thursday or maybe even just as the end of the, just play eights and figure it out that way too, right? One, the stream would want to see that you can still keep up. And two, it'd be easy to, easier to learn. I can still keep up. I will say, Seth is going to ruin league play. Everyone's going to be good. Yes. No, they will.

Yes. I promise you League play Over the past 10 years Have been Even in league play The top 5% No every

No spawns Like no things Because you've always been in that top 5% But there is a whole Like Top 5% I would say top Point 05%

I'm talking about From the moment You click league play You're already playing In the top 5% And then you work your way Up to top 200 or whatever But

But you got to think They don't play League play like league play people play. They play scrimms. Yeah. And but, but I'm saying like,

we, we like break limits in league play. Yeah. Like we're not, we're not playing like it's a scrim. I'm fucking running at their spawn over and over again. No, I know,

I know you're not, but I'm saying there are people that only play league play all day every day. And y'all aren't hitting the hours that they're hitting. No. So like, that's why like the top 200,

you don't even really know who they are. Because they're the same with like, in any league play system, like the top people aren't pro play. usually. Anyway, but like in any sort of league play, I'm thinking like, you know, World War II or or Blackups 2 or anything like that. Like a lot of times it's people spawning in and like they know some spawns, but you're telling people, you're telling 90,000 people, hey, you got to make sure that if you got to have this control and you want to work for that dog, there are going to even if 10,000 people of those many people. Pay attention and know what the fuck you're saying. It's going to. change it. That has never existed before. They're not paying it. It I'm telling you they're paying attention.

Also at the same time like playing the game I agree with you like it can help but at the same time I feel like you have to like put in the reps for it to actually like You need pro reps bro because it's different looking at a mini map and doing it in game in my opinion in the moment that's way different in my opinion. Yeah

I get what I get what you're saying and from a pro level you're 100% correct but you guys don't understand how many like 50,000, like tens of thousands of people play league play and don't know how to play. Every year, I'm including me. I spawn in on checkmate control. I don't know what the fuck is going on, but I go top playing with a...

Honestly, it might make it more enjoyable because like your teammates will be blocking spawned. A hundred percent. It's going to make it better. I'm not trying to gas you. I'm just saying, I'm telling you, I am telling you. They're not blocking spots because of what I told them. We have never... Like actual pro reps like

I'm telling you bro The little nuances like If three are down you have to push here That's not going to happen But like if you get four downs People already in Moshpit are saying Like I'm thinking on hotel Yo go get kick it go get kitchen control

That would never have happened before Especially in Moshpit No one cares You just push their spawn Just think about this how many times they say It's like what are they supposed to do right now And everybody bedroom bedroom bedroom bedroom bedroom bedroom bedroom bedroom bedroom bedroom bedroom bedroom bedroom bedroom bedroom

That's like like the easiest one though. Yeah, you say that. You say that, but you say what do you got to block? You say that. I said, what do you got to block if you're trying to protect B on hotel? Yeah. Bedroom.

Yeah, everybody knows. What do you got to? I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. Listen to the 99% over here. I didn't know that. What's the third spawn on P1 on fucking Albagra?

Why are you saying it like it's easy? You're saying this like it's easy. Exactly. Oh, okay. I get re-send. I get re-send. Sorry. I mean, yeah, there's P5.

There's one stone stairs. there's one all the way back like there's spawns ever there's the P1 the gate spawn I have this argument with him all the time I have this argument with all the time he's so in great especially when it comes to like war zone and I'm like you're a fucking professional called to play you're gonna be good if you give enough reps to it he's like no no no uh aiden and fucking sim and all these guys play it every day so they're like naturally if I got enough reps yeah it'd be good but I don't want to get reps on wars no one's no one's asking you I'm just I'm just we're making a point I'm saying you have you have a pro I feel like you'd be

fine. In Warzone? In anything. Oh yeah. I mean, if I tried. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm not going to try in Warzone. Like, do you think I'm hopping into like scrims on Warzone? Oh, no, no, yeah.

Scrims on Warzone. I'm not trying of Warzone. I'm saying you have a pro, you have a pro player mindset. And so what is simple as far as what in a pro mind, what is like easy is extremely complicated for a regular person that just hops into a league play. They don't think that. And so you're already. I think the shit's easy.

Yeah. No, it's easy for us to say, yo, it's easy when it's you because we know the difference in skill. So we assume that the game that we're playing would be so much easier if we had your hand-eye coordination. That's all we're saying. And you're like actively saying you're wrong. When we know that the game that we play would be that much easier

if I had hooks reaction time. That's all I'm saying. But you don't. I know, which is what I'm saying. Anyway, we're going to go on a quick commercial break. But before we do. Before we do, I wanted to raise awareness of the fact that there's still a couple of passes left for Thursday for our major that's happening March 9th through 12. 9 through 12.

9 through 12. And, you know, thank you. Obviously, we sold out super quick. And I know that there's a lot of you who are still trying to get tickets. But unfortunately, you know, we only have a limited amount of space. Or the fire marshal's coming for our ass. And we can't shut it all down. Now, there are going to be, we're launching passes now for the Fed.

the festival side of what it is. And we're giving buyers access to experience some of the great parts of the event. So there's a really cool aspect to this major that we've been working really hard on. So we have the showroom. Obviously, you saw it last year. And there's already more people that are coming this year than last year. So it's going to be insane. And so we wanted to give more experience to everyone.

You know, we have an entire other ballroom that is just dedicated to. That's where challengers is going to be. And there's also a lot of things that are going to be going on all weekend. We're not saying what they are like the activation. stuff? We're going to keep it on hold. But there's a lot of really cool things. And I'm telling you, we're putting a lot, we're putting just as much effort into the

festival side and the expo side that we are into the actual main showroom. Yeah. The expo side is where Seth, myself, uh, and Bose are going to be doing the watch parties from. Yeah. No. What do you mean? We're up, we're up top.

There's, there are three. Well, yeah, we have a bunch of locations. One of them's there, but we're mainly going to be up top. Yeah. But basically, if you want the, if you want the feel of an optic watch party live, and is right next to the venue, and, you're going to, you know, there's going to be creators coming through and a whole bunch of different things to do all weekend. Definitely check out that festival.

If you want to know what we're talking about, just listen to the first word of what is in parentheses right there. What does it say? We are now launching the what? What? We are now launching the. Oh, that's not parentheses. I'm sorry. I was looking at first.

parentheses. What the fuck are I'm saying? We are now launching the festival pass. Yeah, pay attention to that first word. And then you can get an idea as to what the fuck we're going to be throwing down. It's going to be sick. There's going to be a lot of fun. And so I wish we could have more people in the showroom.

Everyone wishes that. But, you know, we just, we just can't because the Greenwall showed up that massively for the first 10 hours that, you know, passes were. Oh, you're saying the festival is in the challengers room. Right. Like, it's an entire. So, like, you can only go into challenge. challengers with the festival pass. No, you can go into it with the main pass as well,

but the main passes are sold out already. The main passes get you access to all of it. So the festival pass, you can only go into the entire show. Like in the entire challengers, but it's not the challengers room. There are a ton of other things that are happening. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like optic things, like optic gaming based things that are happening in that. Yeah. And we might be doing parts of the watch party. Yeah, yeah. Not the whole watch party. The whole watch party. The flank is going to be in there, But the whole, but the whole

Skump watch party will not always be in there, but you'll probably hit out like a, like a, I would say a series a day, maybe. We'll figure it out. We'll be bouncing around. We,

I mean, we still have a long time. So we, I got pitched yesterday, like what each setup is going to look like and like, it's going to be, it's going to be really cool. There's going to be like,

I'm going to have one like, there's going to be a barista station. Like close to you all, not with y'all. Can't tell too much. But lots of collect. Lots of Easter eggs. You are going to have, you know how we're talking about Hogwarts and how you go.

A huge clutch out of... You know how we're talking about Hogwarts and you walk into the bathroom. You guys will be so checked, bro. That would be great. Sorry, go ahead, man. No, no, no, no. We're going to go quick commercial break. Say hello to the testicle festival.

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Absolutely. Don't listen to that part. Close your ears. I'm literally shooting a prize picks ad, I think, right after this. Oh, perfect. Hell yeah. I have my ego. I will say this.

I will say this. Never. We will move on from there. But aside from that, obviously, phase ended up winning the tournament. Obviously, you and I had a discussion on stream about this, Seth, where I said, where I asked you the question, do you believe that the format needs to change and winners should happen in a certain order? because if you ice them for a long time. But then I said to you, I'm like, well, there is the thought that maybe you overheat because of the amount of reps that you're having playing back to back to back.

We experienced it when we played in Atlanta. We lost on the second best of five, but we were destined to win it. If it was only a best of five, we won that championship would have came through the loser's bracket playing eight hours of gameplay. But do you feel that in this situation that 100 Thieves a little bit overheated towards the end and wasn't able to have the same energy? I think they ran out of steam at then. Well, that's what I'm saying.

So why change the format? Because in this case, it did benefit first place to... Because you want to make it as far as you possibly can. Fuck... Fuck fatigue. You still want to make it as far as you can. Like, I was saying, like, the winner's bracket should play first. 100%.

Or second. No, they should... Wait. It should be losers, then winner... Losers quarters. Or losers should play first. Losers semis. No.

Yeah. Loser semis, then winners finals, then losers. Yeah. That's right. It should bounce around, basically. So winners should have the advantage to, so like, loser's semifinals was second, right? The winner's final was the first match. Yeah, yeah. So like they play that match, you win, right?

Then you sit there and wait. For like three matches, right? Or two or three matches. Yeah. Well, if you lose, you wait. If you win, you obviously, you have to wait two series before the grand final. Yeah, you have to wait all day to play one series. Yeah, those guys that win, or it's the guys that lose, honestly.

The guys that win, you're not going to be able to change that. that's just how it is. But the guys that lose, they have to sit there and wait a full series while the loser semifinal is going on and those guys that win are fresh off a win and they've been sitting cold off a loss for like at least an hour.

You know what I'm saying? So I think that... I've just never seen it done that way. It's never been done that way, but I think it should. And Abizi also tweeted that he thinks that that's how it should be as well. 100% of 100%.

Because he was, he actually, well, he didn't experience losing in the winner's final because they ended up winning that but then they waited all day long who you think has the advantage i'm curious because i don't i don't know i don't know i don't know if there is one because it's all perspective on how you feel it can go both ways but i would you would think you'd want to be hotter maybe you're going to run out of steam towards the end of the day but you'd want to be hotter off the start to make it to the end of the day i feel like it just balances yeah yeah yeah but like right now they get iced while the losers don't get ice they get full momentum

fresh off a series i feel like i mean obviously every single i mean obviously every rounds different, but like for me, I feel like if I lost the first match, obviously this isn't what you want, you want to win, right? But if I lost and then won three matches in a row and going into that finals, I feel personally I would be extremely hot. Like, I feel like I would be in tip-top shape. So they have an advantage. You think losers has an advantage? I think so, too. If you're in the winner's final, you lose, you have to wait a full match before you play again. Okay. Because you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're saying, even though you made it to winners finals now you're at a

disadvantage and you won best of five. Well yeah, you're sitting on ice for hours. Because it's winter's finals first match. You lose, then you have to watch the loser semi. And then whoever wins the loser's semi because you're just sitting around. You're just sitting around waiting and they're literally in a series. So that's what we're saying. It's like, it's fucked up that the

losers play second. Top three should they just get the roll with it. Yeah, okay. They just get to keep going. It should be. That's what I was saying. And people were like, no, no. I was like, dude, you have no idea what you're talking about. I said it too, and obviously, like, we experienced that

because, you know, they felt like they ran out of gas. You even said that they felt they ran out of gas. But at least they got to the point to run out of gas. They could have just got, they could have lost the tournament. Top four should be Sunday, but fourth should be out first. That's what it should be. Top three should all be playing at the same time.

Like top three should be as close together as they can. Right. It should because that way it's a. balancing act and it's not somebody's been waiting for two hours somebody's been playing for four hours straight like it just i don't know listen this league from the beginning of time has is like the competitive integrity of the league has always been compromised because of the viewership and the importance of it because of the scheduling we've been complaining everybody everybody always plays last everybody no first and last on a friday and everybody all the poor some some

pros and some community people would say shit like oh because they're optic hours Because they're optic, they get this benefit or because it's not a benefit to start to open the show on a Friday, wait eight hours to play the last match of the night when everyone's fucking tired of sitting around. And then that mattering into or that being pool play that matters into the seating of the following two days. The other thing is, well, we're in talks with the league for the last talking about the league in the last segment of this of the show. I want to talk about the CDL and talks with YouTube for a three-year exclusivity deal rumor. that's going around, I can tell you that that is one of the most, if that is not the league looking at this thing and saying, we really don't care, I don't know what is. Because if they were to check with owners and they didn't, they didn't check with me,

they didn't call me, I didn't get an email. They didn't check with any of them. Any of the owners, of course not. I talked to them and none of them. And if they are thinking like this, like, hey, you know, we might get some cash. Well, let us be a part of that conversation and see what the, what the, what the, what the financial gain is for the organization to do. But to just make a decision without checking with your partners

on whether or not we want to be a part of that, that is just completely out of line because we should have a say. And for me, staying on Twitch is not only important, but it is imperative that we do for the betterment of call a duty as a whole. Them making and allowing watch parties to happen was just step one, right? To take us out of Twitch where clearly the viewership is that much better. thousand we broke record we

broke records the like we broke records the first major that we watch partied with the CDL records were broke yeah beating out the golden days of call duty yeah beating those days on a Saturday yeah on Saturday right sure on Saturday yeah wait

or was it Sunday no it was Sunday it was the first match on Sunday yeah the day doesn't even matter man the fact is that the viewership is there the interest is there the engagement is there sponsors and people that keep this world around me, obviously. The fans, the fans be number one, but sponsors and everybody else that help the back end of all of this, like, would rather be where the viewership is going to be. And I will say this, I, if this thing does go through, I'm not concerned on

whether or not this guy's going to be able to pull like the viewership that we're pulling right now. I'm not worried about that. So it's not going to make that big of an impact for us, but we still implore. I mean, it's going to have an impact. Like, even if we stream on YouTube, But I'm not, I'm not, but it's not just going to be, it's going to be the CDL that has the main impact. Like the CDL had, what, 140,000 viewers when, when you guys were playing against the team. That's what the fuck are they going to get on YouTube? Not that. No.

It's just insane, man. It's just insane to me. And look, I've, I've given my explanation. I don't know this for a fact, but if I'm theorizing of what this could be, like this, this YouTube Activision, or let me rephrase that. This YouTube CDL thing is but this much. of a bigger deal. Yeah, it has to be. It is nothing to what the bigger deal

that's happening between parent Google and parent Activision and if it's that small and if it's that meaningless, then let us be the ones to make the decision on where it is that we want to go. Let us be the ones to say, no, we don't want that money that's coming.

We don't know what the figure is even and I don't think that we would ever get that figure to begin with. But the fact, good. I was just saying the teams have bought into this. It's not like, Activision's doing charity here. This is a partnership.

And you guys putting money into this and for them making decisions that hurt everyone's investment. And they're the only ones that get. And they didn't tell anybody about it. I mean. Like, what do you think the revenue is coming from? It's coming from merchandise. It's coming from ticket sales.

It's coming from, you know, different things that we do in content. And that is all based on how successful the league is. And how successful the league is. is based off is based off of platform. Now. And it's, we've seen,

I mean, this game is not good competitively, but it's getting a lot of viewership because of the platform that it's on. It's getting more viewership now than it got.

Imagine we got a B.O.2. Imagine it was Blackups 2 or Blackups 3 or Blackups 4. Imagine if we got one of those in like the next two years. I mean, on Twitter. History,

probably not going to happen. Yeah. But if it did happen, imagine it, but it's on YouTube. It completely stunts the growth of what could be if this year if cold war was on twitch it would be absurd if cold war was on

twitter it would be crazy on twitch if cold yeah look at the end of the day although we understand that there is a massive massive business happening out there and that the cdl and e-sports and call it duty esports is just but a minute tiny little thing that activation is working on if it really is that small and it really isn't doesn't you don't even take it into consideration because of how small it is, this, for this partnership is everything. The only reason that this partnership exists

is because this product is all of it. So if we are focusing on the whole thing that is everything to us and this nothing is nothing to you guys, then let us be the ones to make the decision to make this happen. If this deal, I guess what you're saying is, if this deal is a bullet point

on a huge stack of papers, then can you please just wipe that one out? Yeah. And we can figure, we can figure, because it might not, it might be ministering, In this grand scheme of thing.

And it is. Cool. But this is hundreds of thousands of people's livelihoods. I mean, this is literally years and years and years of culmination of work of people's sweat and tears going into this. Their life's work. And for it to just keep flip flopping, based off of how the billion dollar company, it's just, the multi-billion dollar company is doing. It just is insane to me.

The second. It's insane. The second that. We've done everything to build this. Yeah. It was a built. Now we need a little bit of help back to continue to build it and sustain it. It's like, you just need a little bit.

No. It's not even help. No other. It's not even help. It's just like it. Well, it is help because if they do this, then it's, it's, it's the opposite of help, which is, it's hurting. This is, this is, if this thing goes through, this is how I, Hector Rodriguez, am personally going to look at this.

We as owners are paying you to promote your game. This isn't a partnership. this is us paying you to be allowed to promote your game and that is super unfair and that's not what we were told right this was a partnership we should be treated as such so fuck

insane oh right up insane oh anyway that's gonna do it for this episode everybody thanks so much for tuning in if you guys enjoyed it and if you agree with us just don't do anything please don't go out there and hate on anyone don't don't this isn't a call for arms

this isn't us asking you to go they don't care Okay. Please don't rock the boat. Let us handle it from our side. All the owners are communicating. We all feel the same way. Let's just let it happen.

But anyway, we'll see you guys next time. Later. Hey.