OpTic Podcast - HAS THE ESPORTS BUBBLE POPPED | The OpTic Podcast Ep 118

Episode Date: April 6, 2023

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All to say that esports as they stand today. People are just learning. Yeah, but this is an expensive lesson that did not have to happen. Wasn't an expensive. I'm sure for a lot of people. Infinite. Infinite. Infinite.

Infinite. Infinite. I'm not talking about anybody else. I'm talking about 2017 when I sold to Infinite and I walked in and saw 90 employees there. You knew some shit was just not right? I mean, one person was running Optic for fucking 10, 12 years by that point. And now we have 90. Intro us, Nick.

Do some intro and shit. What's going on, everybody? Welcome to the Optic podcast because Nick couldn't step up to the plate. Oh, you have to say it's 118. Do an intro. It's episode number 118. I hate intros. That means that we've done 118 weeks of this podcast,

not including the ones that we used to do at the Scuff House. which were fire, by the way. That's what? How many weeks are in a year? 54? 54. 52. Do you go back and watch them? Were they really?

Yeah. They were edited good. The color correction was fucking awesome. This was just plain, just talking. What you don't talk about back then? There's not edits. I'm getting that. We were shit talking call the duty as usual.

You know, why don't we start on that note? Fortnite maps getting taken down by Activision, sending season release for using Rust. for using shipments. But they can go and use an F1 map. Oh, no, I think they're talking about like the creative mode. Yeah. So am I.

But that's not really owned by Fortnite. That's like people going in and making it, right? Uh-huh. But they're still telling them that they can't build. Makes no sense to me. Yeah. I mean, that's kind of whack. But they have time to find you though, don't they?

They haven't. I got a shot. I haven't gotten fine. I'm chilling. Well, you're no longer a. What are they doing on the? the Fortnite maps. They're playing Rust and, uh, and, uh,

how do they have the Fortnite maps? Cool. Like creative and you can just build whatever. Yeah. So it's like a custom game kind of. It's actually insane. That they just do for, yeah.

And you guys are probably watching this, but in case you aren't watching this. Who's making this? Players? We're watching the game. Yeah, players, but like there has to be like, just like in Halo, like Forgers. Yeah, for, but if,

so if Halo Forge made this, Activision would go into Halo and make the HALO and make the HALO people take it down. Yeah, which makes no sense because it's the creators that are doing this. And let's not forget that F1 put a cease and desist on Activision for making their map, right? Like just as if it was some sort of public property. Let's talk about the museum. Let's talk about other maps that they himself are guilty of copying. Breenberg Hotel.

Breembourg Hotel. It's literally one for one of an actual hotel in like Amsterdam. or something. Let's not, listen, it goes back to the saying, it's only, it's cool if we do it. It's not cool if everybody else does it. It's cool if I do it. It's a problem when they do it. It's a problem when they do it.

It's a problem when I do it. Fuck them. That's right. What do you think? Thieves or no thieves? I mean, I wouldn't care. If you're an activist, if you're one of Activision's million lawyers and you have nothing to do and you want to say, you know what?

I got to, I'm, I got something. I get it. Listen, the recession's coming. This is a publicly traded company. I got to make sure that I stand out to my boss and say, look what I did. Lawyer, boss, I ceased and desisted creators in Fortnite because they used IP from call it.

Get, get, get. I don't, go on and get. I get it, but also like, it's harmless. I guess not. It's like imagine having such good maps every once in a while and people copy them because they were good and we haven't seen anything good from a maps perspective and they're using it and another,

they're giving you props. What do you mean? We just got Hemel Matt Expo. What? Hemel Matt Expo. The new map of the rotation. With the snow and shit? Yeah.

I like it. I'm not okay. I just don't. It's not my favorite. It's actually not bad. It's not like it's the Fortnite people build. It's not like it's epic. building these. I know.

So what are they doing? They're just getting them taken down some out? Yeah, it's like if there's a server. Like if I would go and buy Legos and I build Activision fucking... You have to break it. Yeah. And I build one of Activision's own fucking maps. On a Lego set.

Their lawyer comes here and smashes it. Sure. Well, if you're selling against it, which is what Fortnite technically is doing. I mean, they have skins and all that stuff. So I mean, I get it, but also I think it's pretty harmless. But it is called, dude. You know, they, their IP, they, they don't fuck around with that.

Yeah. They don't, they don't play. I mean, again, it's like, this isn't necessarily a, it's just like a fun thing. People aren't exclusively only going to Fortnite so that they can play these two maps that don't exist anywhere else. And it's created by kids having fun or kids or 24 year olds. I don't fucking know. Nonetheless, these are people who are. recreating maps that use that that are good and have a good place in everybody's call of duty

hearts and here comes the suit man that would actually probably be pretty fun to play those maps especially in like in fortnight to play those maps like take fortnight from a br to just like a 4v4 they do they do well that's what that actually be kind of fun so the way that it happens just in case you don't know it's like it's a server that you click on it says it's like shipment 24-7 you know how they have the playlist. They have the same thing. Shipman 24-7, you click on it, but it's in the Fortnite menu.

But it's on a server. So what they do, imagining, I haven't played Fortnite, who knows how long, fucking years, they go in there and they're like, yeah, shut down those servers. Why?

Because it's Activision, Call the Duty IP. But we didn't create it. Nonetheless, shut them down. All right. Sorry, kids. Motherfuckers. Sorry.

It looked cool. though. I mean like eight when I saw that clip I was like I play it how many times? I actually want to try that a few days. Would you play it in first person or would you do the third person? I try to play first person. Yeah first person same. I don't know what the sniper

but did that come out yet for Fortnite? I don't know if it has what creator mode? No first person I'm pretty sure it did yeah we saw it right there nah that looked like third person no no go back Matt oh yeah that's first person yeah that's first person. Yeah that's first person man it's so good

but is that is that out though that you can play that right now I think so yeah well not anymore I really have no idea but Activition has started to DMC at 2.1 million views who

shit what are you gonna do I say let the kids play let the kids have fun I don't understand why you even care it's it's beyond me would I care if somebody made a map of the hex quarters in Fortnite,

no, I'd be like, wow. They didn't halo. They didn't halo. That's fire. And that was dope. I don't want to rain on your parade, but it's a little different. How? Rust and the hex quarters?

Same thing. If anything. I mean, we're talking different. That's Rust. Matt, can you type in Rust in real life while I explained to this? What I'm saying is, why? What does it matter? It's like, I didn't, they didn't create it.

I wouldn't do a season. The kids did it. They're doing creative stuff. I understand, but also it's rust. That is one of the most historic maps of all time. They got right there, Matt, to the fort. Yep. Yep.

Do you think they got permission from this place to do Russian? Right. This is actually it. Nah, there's no way, right? That is literally. Looks like it. It does look similar. Maybe put your glasses on there.

Definitely does look similar. I can't fucking. It's what that thought it was funny. I can't fucking see I think it's getting worse What they're Anyway I just Oh man

But I get it but it's cool At the same time though I'm being the biggest hypocrite Because I care when kids rip People's content And then they put their Twitter account on it They You're not a content creator

If you're ripping other people's content And then you're saying Follow me on Twitter I'm gonna be uploading all of everybody else's shit We are a content recycler Yeah, you're a content recycled A recycle a man Yes

Yeah I mean I see a lot of that shit now Oh dude It's insane Oh yeah 100% Yeah Like people that make like

You know Best of Optic Scuff house I don't see I don't mind I don't mind either I'm gonna But that's just like an example I'm gonna tell you why I don't mind those

They're not just They're going Doing the research Watching a video Promoting it And more often than not They don't fucking put the link in the description as to where the actual video came from.

That's like it's one of the biggest, but you're not a content creator if you're uploading other people's shit. And if you're uploading other people's shit to make your stuff more popular. Damn, he closed his eyes for that. That's how I know he's rally. I just don't, I just can't see myself.

As a true creator and creative. Like, fucking, like I even feel weird doing React videos. Yeah. But I, you know. Do you? Yeah. Yeah, a little bit.

I do. But I will say, I don't feel, I wouldn't feel weird if it was like our team stuff. But if it was somebody else's team stuff, then yeah, I would fucking for sure. You feel weird? A little bit, yeah. React. I don't feel weird doing React stuff. If I'm, if I'm reacting to the Flycast and their fucking stupid, stupid list of top five rappers of all time, I would, I would, if I react to that.

What's your top five rappers of all time? No, but this is my, my issue with, my, my issue. with that, my issue with it is that they're like, all right. What does Hitch do? What the fuck is that? What do you used to do there? Yeah, that's your, you're, you, you, uh, imitating everyone. Anyway, but it is, it's like, they don't say, they'll be like, all right, best rappers of all time.

And they'll be like, all right, Drake. I was like, okay, best songmakers of all time. Sure, Drake, you can put Drake in there. Drake, Michael Jackson, the weekend. Taylor Swift. At Shearin. Taylor Swift. I just said T Swift, the Taylor Todd.

Taylor Swift. Are you a Taylor Test? I'm a Swifty. I'm a hard Swifty. Best rappers of all time? Oh, rappers? Or artist. What subject you want to go?

Well, I'm saying, like, if, one, I agree with you with Eminem needs to be up there. And anybody, anybody that says that he only gets those props because he, he's white is a fucking moron. Like literal. Yeah, low tier, low tier IQ. You're only saying that because you don't have the ability to have those letters and words rhyme the way that they do in the system in which they rhyme in. So top five, you're not putting Drake as rappers.

Rappers? No. No. But I wouldn't put Drake as a top five rapper either, but he's top. Who would you put over Drake? In what? As far as top five rapping. like lyric

Yes and it's not Adiq didn't even Wait why not He's gonna say A sap rock No no no That's even That's not even That's not even

That's not even a question Matt can you bring up Wu Tang Clan de resa The Jesuit Rappers of all Like we're talking impact Like I guess if we're talking

Best rappers of all time We have to like kind of That's what I'm saying Draw from everywhere It's like impact Like even their voice Caden's there Okay I wouldn't even

Listen Their record I'm going to say it. If people are going to hate it. You wouldn't put Jay Z? Hell no. Lyrically? As a rapper?

Lyrically? There are soul... Lyrically, I wouldn't put him as the best, but if we're counting, like, so much other stuff, like his cadence, his... His flow and certain things. Jay Z. All right. Number one all time.

Lyracist. Little Wayne. I'm not mad at it. I'm not mad at that choice for him. Lillian is crazy. But if we're going to go like lyricist, I feel like it would be like a Kendrick. I wouldn't put Tupac in lyricist. I wouldn't put Tupac in top five.

Nyes is up there. Probably not even top five. Same. And you know who gets mad at me for that? Omen's. Omen's just like, you like Tupac better than Biggie or Biggie better than Snoop? Like Snoop is not in the top ten. Nikki Minash?

What, Matt? Get out of here. Nick, fuck no. Lyracists. A shot, Brock. Matt, can you bring up Black Thought? It would be people we don't even know that much of now.

Yeah, exactly. So again. Jake Cole, Kendrick, Black Thought. I'm only reacting to it because they said, you know, what I think of this, I think of hex. I don't know why I keep thinking of hex when I'm talking. It's because I keep you guys honest

when it comes to this thing. And let me ask you something. Who is a bigger expert? Well, actually, you know what? You guys are. Because you guys give everything a chance where I, the second that I got one year bat rap I just said you know what

the fuck with this shit I'm sticking with the oldies which is all that you said you're not rocking with Taylor Swift that's how I know you're a hater because T Swift goes crazy would you have gone to the Taylor Swift concert no I mean like with a girl yeah

with a girl yeah tough guy yeah with a girl yeah with a girl yeah would you go no I would listen to her music overgoing

with going to a show. Bro, her show has to be insane though. If Jude said to me, like us, why would we be going? Oh, yeah. I mean, if us four can't go together. Yeah, exactly. But like, if his ones to go, I'd be like, hell yeah, I'm down.

If all four of us were the same age and we were single, we were younger and single, I can see why people would go. I wouldn't go to a bad bonny concert. And he's like way bigger than Drake right now. I wouldn't go to a bad. If I was single, however, then yeah, maybe you'll find me in some regato and shit. His show was good, too. I went to one.

Was it bad money or did you go to the other one? Does he sing in English? I didn't know what was going on. He said some words in English. I didn't know what was going on when I was there, but it was really good. Also, all right. So again, again, my thing is, is like if you're going to determine or say who your top five rappers are, you have to make a very clear delineation as to what you're, what you mean by it.

Songmakers and shit like that. But I'm going, I'm going with like everything. Bro. Yeah. Okay. If you're going with everything, you know what? I'm going to buy out. Like who's more well-rounded than Drake can do it all.

It's funny just saying that and just knowing how pissed people are. Like he can, I've heard him rap like sort of boom bap-y, rap fucking. The fuck is boom-bap-y. Like 90s type. Is that what that is? Yeah. See, the fact that he says that. What, boom-bop you mean?

Boom-bap-y. like he's been a part of like every era since while he was like like 2005 i heard his shit before anyone even heard of him i'm bumping drake i went to a concert of his in 2009 he's goat back then and it's just every single year he just puts out shit that just catches your ear which is so hard to do yeah he has songs on his albums that he's spitting like crazy love songs he writes majority Love songs. Love songs. Is that proven?

Maybe that's why you guys like it. Like Lou T's just up in the air. We don't know. See, for me, he's got ghost writers for sure. If he does, you gotta think about it. But everyone has ghost readers.

If you're, if you already got the people, right? Yeah. And if someone can just give you a song that your voice sounds good on it, why? Why wouldn't she use it? I think most of those songs.

It's literally free. You know, no. This is this is why. This is why. Okay. This is why. rap was born out of the four elements of hip hop is one of the four elements of hip hop everything that has to do with hip hop is about what everything that this is this is why right

everything that has to do with hip hop is all about competition to elevate each other to be better iron sharpens iron so from the beginning lyrical battles was a thing it's been a thing since the beginning of hip-hop break dance battles was a thing ever since the beginning of fucking hip-hop you know what I'm saying graffiti who's the most up who has the best style who's the get the best multi-style thanksie

and then last but not least last but not least last but not least we have oh my god do that again look how strong he is oh look that what is it yeah show the camera the pit stane shirt's a little rip yeah a little yeah is that where you

put your deodorant on. He was like, just that roll on. Like that's, that's, that's why that's cheap fucking. That's why there's, there's a level of competition in this art form where

pick any hip hop art form. And I'm not talking about hip hop dance where the shit that you see today with the, you know what I'm saying? Like that. Wait, what's the name of that of that movie? Yeah. What's the name of the movie?

No, Javahuahuahuakis are dope. Just, uh, the dance, the dance movie. What's some of the dances? What is that movie?

You got served? Yes. Yeah. Oh. Oh. Is Channing Tatum in that? Stop. I don't think so.

Is Chaining Tate for that? Yes, he is. I'm sure. Shout out. Shout out. Anyway. You got served. That was one of my favorites.

That shit goes crazy. You got served, fast and furious. Yeah. These are like my life. Oh my God. Omari. What I say? Look at that.

Just look at that. Look at the big picture. Matt, now go to World Championship breakdancing. What's wrong with that movie? No, with this movie? No, again, it's just, it's like, yeah, exactly. You know what's up. Did you hear me, Matt?

No, but let's go videos, dude. Let's see some actual fucking form, dude. Anyway, this is, this is mute that a little bit. My gosh. And then put it in the middle. Somewhere in the middle. Click somewhere in the middle. Click somewhere in the middle.

I'm not a break dance fan. I know, but this is where it all began. I mean, obviously, like, it's elevated. The competition's like more sponsors right there. That guy's name was Skywalker. Yeah. Anyway, this is where it all began. This is the style.

And from there came all the fucking wild fucking want to be commercial hip hop rap, you know, fucking backup dancer shit. But all I'm saying is you have to. make it known in what categories of rapping you are going and listen call me an old head all you want but name a better era in the history of mankind where art movies songs anything was better than the 90s. He's going kind of crazy because it was new and it was inventive and all that but 90s was the perfection of it.

The what started first dancing or graffiti? Dude, music It started with music Music gets you moving But the music didn't have How did hip hop Hib it to the hip hip hip hop And you don't stop

How did it rap Like they were like break dance Dancing and shit before like rap right No Dancing came after the music What the fuck were they dancing to it? Just like instrumentals like that Break the break

It's called the break Here comes the break break it up break it up break it up no they were definitely they were dancing I'm thinking they were dancing to that first then the rappers were hearing this and started wrapping over

their shit dance beats and then wrapping well you have to take into account also that they did that all from scratch every sound that you hear had to be sampled they used to shake fucking fences at the basketball court they used to record that slow it down speed it up and make an additional so everything was inventive in the

80s that led to this thing. Right? Now you have, obviously, you can make up sounds and shit like that. Tell me when to go. You 40? Yeah.

That shit goes crazy. Anyway, you know what they said? This is their top five. Yeah, that is crazy. Drake? Drake? Kanye? JZ was like

fifth Eminem. No order. Huh? No order. No order. And Little Wayne. Sounds like a good top five. I'll give you two of those.

What did you say? Lowell Wayne's got to be top five. Guaranteed. Yes. Yes, but you haven't heard. You haven't truly given ASAP rock. Or or or you're steady. That's when it becomes or you can't do that.

Dimensional. Who? How could you survive? It does kill him. He cannot. Again. When the decision came to him that's a head of D. He can make a song.

That's a pretty smart. All I'm saying is that the same way that. The same way that. I was listening to him and I heard him say, I jibbed the jabba and his jibba jibba. That was the intro of a. And that was like only one song that you fucking heard. This is what I'm going to do.

Top five? Yeah. Top five lyricist? Easy. Top five lyricists? Dude. Like from a top five rapper. From a complexity of the way that he sends out his message,

there's no one more creative or no one has the ability to use. as many words as he did. He has, he, he's just way better, period. I'm gonna do this is what I'm gonna do. Okay, this is what I'm gonna do. You're out of it because you actually listen to good music. That's what I'm talking about. That's good guess.

T. Swift concert. Dude, yeah, T. Swift, see? No, that is good music. I mean, he didn't know, tell me when they got. Uh-oh, uh-oh. Wait, so who's your top of? You're careful this season. Mosquitoes.

Mosquitoes are out. mosquitoes are out and they Perches are out Oh that's what was on your neck You see all these bumps One mosquito fuck me That many times Anyway all right

That boy was feasting Back to it Starting next week On my channel I am going to sit down Shotsie and Hook to listen to some MF Doom

Some Asap Rock They're gonna hate it Yeah well we'll see Right We'll see All I'm saying is that you If you are into Dude,

Aunt listens to like Black Bear and shit This is how you gotta do it You gotta be like Yeah Matt Craig listens to Black Bear You saw a quick turn Yeah

We're going over songs for our intro And then play them The songs That'll be a good one Like the team intro Yeah They're gonna walk out For what?

You tell them It's team intro songs Oh they'd be tweaking Be like what the fuck Yeah What do you think Or they might go along with it They're walking out to you know

Yeah Just looking fire Yeah Yeah Everybody's walking out to like independent rap artists like that the the fucking like wait when think about the intro for L-A-G think about the intro for DMCA free yeah they have the songs made for it for it I'm pretty sure right yeah yeah if I if I if I had an intro song I would literally pick up any battle

rapper to literally make me a song right this every fucking team on it attacks. No, I wouldn't be like that. Yeah, you would. You love that shit. Who do you think brought you the scampies? Is my scum. Anyway.

The B-O-Zs. The B-O-Zs, the N-A-D-E. Shat-Zs. Oh, the Nate Chatsis? Anyway, I don't want to continue to go down this route because I do think that it is one of the most divisive thing that happens here. It got to the point where I really just let them do their thing.

because, for whatever reason, Hitch and my man right here, think that they are the designated experts in this field because they listen to every single video of King of the Fucking Dot. I just think. Pre-written battles, which to me, again, is more fun than what I grew up with. Oh, wait, have you ever been to one? I'm still going to go to one. I've been to one.

What did Matt Craig just post up there? Was that new, Matt Craig? Did you just put that there? Yeah. So that's, I'm sorry to, I'm sorry to break it up. I didn't know about that. CLG employees were informed today. I'm talking about the one above it.

The TSM reportedly sent LCS spot. Selling LCS and pausing several e-sports divisions? That's fucking crazy, isn't it not? What is going on anymore? TSM selling their League of Legends spot. That is crazy. That's like us not, that's like us selling God. Yeah, but I don't know how popular they still are or whether or not.

Because I think, you know, once, once Reggie, like, stepped down. down as a player. And then all of this like ensemble of people that were part of that, that, that else. Like we have the same fucking people still here. That's why we couldn't do it. But if, but if you retire, then shots you retire and we have like a brand new and it just doesn't pan out because Call of Duty delivers shit fucking maps and you're not doing watch parties and.

Oh shit. I'm sorry. Damn. He was chilling, man. I'm sorry. Good luck charm. No. that's a good shit charm.

That's all they do. Good one. Anyway, so back to some more serious stuff. Nobody knows whether or not this is true. I certainly do not, but you have to take into account, and I don't know anything about TSM's business, but I do know that they have ancillary businesses surrounding the esports world like TeamSolomid.com, which is a website that I, believe does like

has all the analytics and scores for for all of legal legends from the beginning of time. I was there in person when some fucking ad guy told Reggie, dude, give me a call back but I'm trying to give you like dollars.

It's like $5 million or something. And you know, for one of his websites just to be able to be an advertiser on one of his websites. Now this happened. It's not bad. This is was in Las Vegas the first time that we announced that we had a CSGO team. That's when this particular thing happened.

So I know they also have the Fortnite stuff, right? And they have like all of these things. So if you're Reggie and you're like, you know what, man, we had like three good years with FTX. It was a $210 million deal for 10 years, which means that for three years or so, we got $21 million. I mean, the websites are essentially paying for everything.

It's fucking raining cash. out here. Do I need to be doing this? And then he's like, and then maybe he thought, he's like, wait, what if I, what if I can provide these services to everybody in these sports? But how can I do that if I own a team also? That's conflict of interest. Well, well, then maybe, you know, for the betterment of the business and, you know, to provide a better service for everybody in these sports and help all of these sports. I don't know why I'm thinking like Reggie and maybe I'm fucking talking to my ass. But it seems like something that he would do, I think. I just think it's crazy. He's misunderstood. I think it's crazy. He's, he's, he's, he's, I'm

I'm not saying it's crazy. Like, I'm just saying that's like a, that's crazy big, I'm sorry, I'm getting. I'm not defending the way that he treated his employees because I've never yelled at Matt. That's right. Whoa. I think something came out. I know I'm not on the podcast, but they call it in the big dog for sponsor time. Ladies and gentlemen, this podcast is brought to you by Factor.

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Is this? This was recorded. This is from Deserdo? Because it says Travis Gafford. there. It's like when Michael Scott said, you miss every shot that you don't take. Wayne Groskey.

Shooter shoot. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Wayne Gretsky. Michael Scott. So Travis. Travis.

Gafford tweeted out. The CLG employees were informed today that starting Thursday, all employees will be let go. Madison Square Garden. That's MSG. They own obviously Madison Square Garden. Oh. The people that own Madison Square Garden.

MSG. They were Madison Square Garden. The Nets, the Jets, I think, or the Nets. Anyway, who cares? They're shutting it down completely. You know, I feel, I feel obviously my... What is going on in Eastport, Jordan? Talk to me.

Straight up. He all, he knows. Straight up. Is the bubble just like bursting? No. It's just that some companies in esports... Are bringing in old heads that don't know the space? That's part of it, right?

That's part of it. But it's mostly like they just haven't been able to figure out how to monetize these things. And the majority of e-sports organizations, not us, not 100 thieves, not phase, not, I don't know who else. But they believe in championships bring fans. And in some cases, sure, that's the way that things were done. But in this day and age, you have to do it all. throw shit against the wall and see what sticks. And it's going to be this way for the next 10 years.

The other thing is that with investment comes this sense of safety because of the amount of money that's being put into this thing. So people are like, you know what, it's time to get some resources. And with these resources comes over hiring, you know, hiring two people to do the job of one person because the one person, you know, was like, yo, I'm fucking overwhelmed. I can't work eight hours a day. You know what I'm saying? And again, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, bit in theoreticals here, right? No, it's a blanket statement from what I,

from what I've seen, from what I've read, from what I've been told and experienced. You know, it's just, it's just, it's, it's the, the, the, the reckoning is here. It's crazy to see because I'm curious, like, this stuff's coming out. Like, when, when is this stuff going to end? Because I feel like it's, it's, like, a snowball that's just, like,

starting. You know what I'm saying? I feel too about it. I can tell you that this is, is long overdue. people it's a correction yeah it's it's it's a correction uh this is long overdue there's there's been a lot of uh investors that have been overly generous with the amount of money that they put into these things and more often than not uh as we've seen in the in the in the face thing and and the way that they explain it is that the majority of the of the cash is going to fucking bloated salaries for

for c-suit people um and and you know sometimes the creators get some and and you know obviously I don't know their business, but from my expert opinion is the fact that when people get comfortable in the investment, they tend to be free in their hiring. They tend to be free in their expenses. They get big fucking places like this one. You know what I mean? Like, we don't need this spot at all. Okay? So, wait, what?

What is that? I said, Jesus. What? I don't know. You're escaping. I'm scared me now. Seth, I think you're going to have to work for you for the next two years.

I'll make it up to you. Here, right. You know, all to say that e-sports as they stand today, people are just learning. Yeah, but this is an expensive lesson that did not have to happen. Wasn't an expensive.

Infinite. I'm sure for a lot of people off there, that shit was an expensive. Infinite? I'm not talking about anybody else. I'm talking about 2017 when I sold to Infinite. And I walked in and saw 90. employees there.

You knew some shit was just not right? I mean, one person was running Optic for fucking 10, 12 years by that point. And now we have 90? And I feel bad because like we, we, I say we, I'm just talking about it as a space. Like we are hiring people that are going to be relying on this job to be able to feed their families and pay

their bills. There is a, there has to be a sense of responsibility that says, can we write this ship to get to profitability or at least a break-even point where we can continue to just survive you know i know i'm saying this after i sold optic right i know i'm saying this but you know there there's something there where we were fine everything was fine the bills were paid had 60 000 in the bank at the end of the year but everybody got what they got everybody was living for fucking free and everyone was having a good time sleeping all day long.

60. That went like this. Max. But but but like I it bothers you. I wouldn't bro I can't sleep sometimes or back in the day. I couldn't sleep on the fact that I'm like man this is not sustainable and we're going to have to let go of people that moved to Texas to make a life here because they thought that they had something here.

Like that has to be so stressful for them. Like, they obviously wanted a job in like, Eastport, Optic, probably a fan of it, whatever. And then they get the chance. They move down here for a job. Fucking, it's a shit show with whenever we had Infinite. And then it's like they went. I don't know how long it was.

So they started like letting go with people. But it's just like, damn, they like thought something was really going to be good for their life. And then it's, they move, get fired eight months later. Then they have to go look for a new job. It's like, that's like, it is kind of fuck. It's it's it's it's I never hired anybody to help me do things. I always had outside help for sales, outside help for accounting. I've only seen you hire two people maybe, one being Matt.

But that's for me and that was after right. Like Matt was out of my salary. You know that's what I'm saying. You know what I've never seen you like hire. Yeah. But I was willing to be in every single meeting, you know. I mean I'm just I still am but I'm saying like it there's e-sports org don't need the pressure of financial.

They just don't, it's pressure enough as it is to try to build a business by living, by living paycheck to paycheck, by living on cash flow of when a sponsor pays. But at least it's yours. And at least everybody is like happy doing the thing. They're more understanding too.

You know what I'm saying? How many times did I tell you, like, yo, I'm just like, You got to wait a month, but you got your shit. How many times? Good amount. But you got your shit, yeah? Yeah, I always got paid, man.

Yeah, I always got my shit. That's what I'm saying. Y'all got shit? Damn. I'm just saying in general. Do you get shit? I didn't get shit. Nothing?

Living for free, how much is that a month? How much you pay right now in rent? I could have, Hagerstown, Maryland? I could have been spent like 300 a month. So, I guess thanks for that. Fucking five up, five down. Five up, five down. Pay $500 a month?

Pay $5.50. I think my brother. $20 a month for $10 up, $10 down. Just lagging every day. That's the life I would have been living. Who knows what would have happened now. Yeah, man. I mean, think about the platform that you would have had in Maryland to grow your,

your personality. Probably just would have become like a mayor or something. Well, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, you already run the city. I've already run deep. This is my point. And thank you for, we'll close a bow on this. This is what I'm saying, though. if from the beginning you told these people

or you just made the decision that's like, you know what, let's not overhire. Let's just have these people. And look, again, it's not a blanket statement. It doesn't apply to every single e-sports org. Okay. But that person that didn't get hired to work in e-sports would have figured it out somewhere else

and they wouldn't have relied and they wouldn't have moved and they wouldn't have done a bunch of shit. And their life would have been fun. They just didn't get to do what they love for a living. And that is 99.999% of the popular. of the world. People don't get to do what they love for living the way that we do. But what if call duty stresses me the fuck out?

And I just get shit on like, do I truly love this? I mean, gotta get better. I would be better off. No, actually, no. I saw Gary Vee say some, I guess it doesn't really relate. Never mind. Yeah, it doesn't. He's, yeah.

He's a wise guy. He's a wise man. Yeah, it's a wise man. You know, I, I feel, I feel. for every single one of those employees from CLG. I feel for CLG. I don't know who owns CLG anymore. I remember the old dudes that,

not the old dudes, but the old young dudes that used to own it. You know, it's just, it's just, esports that's set up is, is the place where we're at right now, where the, the correction has to happen. Oh, I don't even like know how I got here.

Isn't it crazy? Like, there's people in the world like that, tune into my chat every day and they're like yo maniac yeah like that's fucking insane like never met him before but for some reason somehow coming from an average halo player was definitely a top three player but teams just i think it's i got unlucky with teams but the point remains like it's crazy i have i hate using like fans but like supporters fans like it's just insane that this is my life

because I feel like a normal fuck yeah same but the reaction that Seth and I just had to the way that you were saying it or the what you said and us that that's why they're there they're not there for a mediocre Halo gameplay or Call of Duty they're there because you're a fun dude to watch I mean peep in the Call of Duty gameplay and it's exceptional

I watch every single Flycast episode because I know that I'm on what he said he said I'm peep in the Call Duty gameplay and it's exceptional exceptionally shit He's actually not bad Who do you think's better Between you and him?

Yeah Me Definitely better than you Especially at I think he might be better than you Okay I'm just so In S&D

I'll go 2 and 8 And then in a respawn I'll drop 40 and 24 Why is that though Why is that? I think it's just like my How much hill time? 47 seconds

So I'm dropping like 30s with like two minutes in You're sounding like, you're sounding like Stroh right now. But he was like, who was on that OBJ though? Yeah. Like sometimes I feel like a god. But then like now I'm getting into higher ranks. I'm starting to match erodescence and these fucking dry hards.

And now I'm just going 25 and 20. The only thing we're called duty, I've been playing it for a while. You could probably say the same for Halo or whatever. Yeah. But like if you jump on a game like that late and try to play people who you just like there's so many mechanics. like I know times where like people are shooting at me and I know I don't even panic I just reload like while they're shooting at me

and just you know what I'm saying? Like the instinctual shit that you're just having grained. Yeah yeah yeah it'll just take too long but you are pretty nasty what they are though This guy had a shield He's getting fucking stickys throwing it in this I don't call dude you get shot with four bullets You're playing search

You're probably tweaking in search You get shot with four bullets and you're dead I'm just I'm not patient enough One more thing on the one more thing on the esports thing, sponsors are not paying currently, not paying what they used to pay because of whatever is going on outside of that.

The other thing is that esports isn't the only industry that's being affected what's happening worldwide. So it's a big deal to us because we operate in this thing, but you have to take into account that some sponsors can't come back the following year or can't spend the same amount of money on the same team to continue to promote something to the same people over and over. Right? Only certain teams are able to do that and even then

Like think about think about those sponsors that we had to say no to because they couldn't come up with the same Scratch that they had before I do I do again feel for them, but this is like the sort of It's a recession this is a sort of thing that needs to happen in order for Esports to right sides itself Get a little bit more Disciplined with where people put their money and I hope that they're putting it on cameras and fucking camera people and put their their players in front of cameras

and if you're a player that believes that fuck content and I'm a professional you are not in the right timeline for you to say that yeah you gotta wait like 20 years I disagree okay let me let me give you an example oh are you saying like

they oh are you saying like content from the org yeah they kind of have to do that but if like if they don't want to stream and make YouTube videos that's their own thing but if they're like rejecting the, the organization's cameras, that's bad. That's so bad. Yeah. I misunderstood what you said.

Yeah. But you're saying that I don't even know why you would say that. Well, I'm built like that. I'm just like that. That's a good answer. But not everybody is. Some people don't really like it like that. Anyway, change like this is going to allow for some of the people that got let go of today

to be able to work in the sports industry in the future. This is what needs to happen in order for the long. longevity of esports to be here forever. That's all I'll say. Good luck to everybody. Damn, you just made it sound like it was the apocalypse. Good luck to everybody. Free Trump.

That's insane. 30-some. Where's the next topic? Trump is nowhere to be fucking foul. Trump got locked. Trump got locked up. Did you see that? Umpire rejects the catcher for not getting the ball.

Did you see that clip? Wait, what happened? At all? No. Like the um, or the dude. thought the ump was going to throw the ball back you'll see it oh this dude what he's not even looking at you

prick i got a dude i that would have lost i would have lost i would have lost fall he thought he threw it back why you're staring them down first of all don't stare him down like walk over him and shit yeah don't stare him that is not we need more violence in the world violence is sometimes the answer like he should be instantly and like what is stopping someone the higher up from saying yo bro he's not out of the game like wait that is some of the soft

the shit. That ref is he should not be in the position that he said look at him don't stare at him how to put my leg behind his leg

and went he would have you put a tabletop in his life like it's just something is happening in his life which made him do that

yeah he wanted to feel powerful that was the final straw I remember that shit in high school he wanted he wanted to run up behind him

get on all fours yeah he just wants to feel powerful man It's abuse of power there. I mean, that wasn't even, like, disrespectful from the catcher. He was just like. I wonder if something happened earlier, though.

There's no way it's like, oh, just a fun and jolly game. That's the thing. He might have, you're not looking. You're going like this. The catcher might have been, like, chirping before, though. What you just had right there, there's, like, that's what's scary about shit. Like, that's what scares me about shit is like, there's probably nothing even happened earlier. That's just how he's feeling that.

You know who that happens to a lot? I don't know, but I'm just saying. Yeah. I would say that probably is what happened, though. That happens to Nate shot a lot. He'll be saying like a, he'll be going on this really good thought around e-sports or whatever.

And the Sertrtle would cut it, no offense to the assertive, but they would cut it to be like, to only clip like the really fucking. Beefy part of it. And it makes it seem like Nate was talking shit about phase is the last one. It just doesn't,

you don't have all the content. You don't have the full content. I feel like that happens all the time. Yeah. I feel like it happens to me all the time. What happens to you? I mean, yeah, probably I wouldn't be surprised. Dude, I feel like it happens to me all the time.

I'm not important enough. What happens to you is this. Somebody will be having a conversation, right? I'm the one saying the conversation for my video. And I'll be like, you know, both Clayster and TJ said that this map suck. But I think that Scump also said that it sucked. I'm not really sure. But your, since your name was said, there you go.

It was made up. There's no proof or whatever. You just, you know, I think that's what happened. You know, I said his name. He belongs in there. Again, that's irresponsible from them to clip a little, you know what I'm saying? How many times does that happen, really? I feel like it happens a lot.

Yeah, it's happened a bunch of times. I feel like I don't even say shit half the time and I'll see like five YouTube videos. I'm like, what the fuck? Like, what is this even about? And I'll watch it. And I'm like, what? Can you explain this Twitter thing? I accepted like the Opta Gaming.

I was going to lose my check mark. So Twitter changes the verified check again. We just get our data and stuff. I wouldn't be surprised. Got all my DMs and shit. This is what I want. They do. They do have all your DMs.

I would like to see Bose's DMs. Yeah. Let me see. Open over your DMs. Yeah, what is the, you can see anything in there? Now there's, so you could pay for check marks,

but now there's like a check mark. Were we about to lose our check marks? But now we have an optic gaming. Yeah, optic pays, I think, $1,000 a month and $50 per person to have that. fucking OG logo. So it's a thousand a month. It's kind of cool though. I don't see anyone else with it. I mean it does go kind of crate. Well yeah because it's that's like how we're verified now.

We're verified through the company. It costs 50. No, what's going to you? I thought no, I got my check. I thought I thought I wasn't going to get it. And then I'm like, I had an ass. So I spoke up. You were going to get it. But then I figured like, and now I just figured like it was the blue check. And they were like, go. They were like, I suppose. O.G. That's crazy. for $50. Twitter's crazy now. That's crazy, though.

I see braws on my F4U page. Nah, I swear Twitter. Same, same. Fight Haven or some shit. Just every single day I see a new fight. Nah, me and Zini, we're talking about it. I feel like Twitter's, like, engagement has gone so down because of their new algorithm. It's actually like...

I tested that, by the way. And that shit works, bro. For me, it has. Yeah. So what I did was once he sent that, I was like, okay, I'm going to go. Usually I go back and undo and then retweet it again, but I just like them instead. And then more people started replying.

I'm waking up with way more replies rather than just retweeting it. That right. Is that a fact. No, I try it on like a tweet or something. Like here's what you do. No, the algorithm is like, it's actually kind of pissing. Like it's making me not want to use Twitter. That's someone tweeted that you don't call or anything.

Like just something and then just like it. Like if you don't tweet, it's like the algorithm, if like I don't tweet about Call of Duty, like say I post a selfie. like ruins the engagement by like half. Like it'll like not show. It's insane. I just see the most random stuff on my 4U page. Well that's also.

Or whatever. I mean, I'm seeing everything on the 4U page. I'm seeing crazy shit. I don't go to the 4U page. They don't give a shit. I saw it like a dude stab to death. Like this is almost like some like old 2005.

You sign in on your library PC and go to some website that has like these. What? Gory. Oh yeah, what the fuck is that? The back in the day shit. That was the back in the day website where like crazy shit. No, not a website.

You're thinking of dysfunction, junction. What's your disfunction? Conjunction. That's a kid's like grammar thing. No. Conjunction junction. No, there was a gnarly website

called Consumption Junction. What's your dysfunction? And it was fucking gnarly. You can see everything there. Yeah, I've been through rabbit holes like that. See, y'all are sick if you went to that show. Yeah. It was,

anyway. You know, the young internet, what is it? Web 1 was something to experience. If I do say so. Damn, we got, yeah, we got PCs and internet first. Out of, think how long this is about it. Out of humanity. Out of humanity.

That's fucking crazy. Finally, finally. Like, finally first. Holy. I'm doing, I had a PC first. Do it. Like, you're going to be 90 and be like, I had the first PC.

That's one of the first people to get a PC. A home computing system. I wanted a Mac. I had the first iPhone. Did you have the first iPhone? No. I think I had a Motorola or a razor. Same.

The next hell chirp. I don't think I got an iPhone until like high school. Like maybe like my sophomore year. I had the. razor and then the blackberry pearl and then I'm like no way you were a blackberry guy with the little stick Drake was a blackberry guy everybody was a black that's the only thing that was out there it was perfect for emails anyway oh why you get so tight my blackberry yeah but immediately after I got the parole I was like fuck this shit I got I got to get the

iPhone and then the first time that I went to maps and saw an overview look of of the city and see buildings I was like oh my god I can go explore all the training you just do that on like Google Maps and shit. Yeah. One last topic before we go on. I want to hear your opinion on this. And we're going to start with, with my lighter brothers on the right hand side.

Iowa. I mean, the lightest. Oh, yeah. You're both in the same. The lightest. The Iowa fucking. Yeah. Wait, what happened?

Oh, Iowa versus. We talking about the White House thing? It's not even up there, Matt, Craig. No, go down. Iowa. verse what was it LSU I didn't know that shit was played Oh you're talking about the tornado

That's crazy So Kailin Clark and Angel Reese You can't see me double standard What is there? I just don't understand How this is how I look at it I don't understand how like How do you flip it to where Like she did it

Now she's losing so she did it back Yeah What there's no other like That's the way I see it my brain doesn't go anywhere else Like she did it first So many people just like like instantly go to like race. It's so weird.

I don't understand that. Yeah, it's a super racial shit. And look, what I was about to say after that, I stopped myself because I didn't want to put the first part that I just said about the racial stuff with the name that I am about to say because they had nothing to do with that. All right. So a very prominent businessman in the new media space by the name of David Portnoy called, what's her name?

Angel a classless piece of shit because she did this back to Caitlin who the only reason anybody was watching or the only reason people that don't normally watch were watching was because of of Caitlin and her three pointers period and the only reason I watched.

I'm only speaking for I had like 10 million viewers. 9.9 average. Right. Which for women's? That's crazy. That's like way higher than a normal

the thing is this is like we are letting something good that happen in women's sports be clouded what they needed by by the crowd including this podcast talking about the negatives the other thing is this

if if Caitlin is going around doing this shit and fucking being disrespectful during the game which is allowed talk shit all day when you play and she was like there was a girl a woman about to shoot a three or in the three point line and she just said she's like

I'm not even guarding her she literally said like don't worry about her she ain't going to make it and she gave her all the space in the world to shoot it's the same thing that they were doing to Russell was just I was about to say in the NBA like someone dunks on someone or whatever and they go like this and then they do it right back to them like but this is something more this this is what I think people are upset about and I think that this is also something that these people can take uh that they can learn from Once the bell rings, once the final buzzer, buzzer rings, it's done. You won.

There's no need. Like now their championship is being clouded by a simple fucking thing that was done after it. If you're doing that during the game and the game is close, by all means, please be free to do what you want. Or like, you know you got it in the bag. Yeah. Only two minutes left. I think, I think, isn't that why people are mad at Angel? because the game was like over and she's still like

it's basically like kicking her while she's down that's why they were mad I mean that was when she decided to do it like I understand the outrage but immediately the way that it got positioned it was that because and I'm as a brown person I'm speaking as a brown person right now

that the reason that like the reason why it was cool for Caitlin to do it a white person over Angel Reese a brown person was like that's the double standard. Why was everybody cool with Caitlin doing it during the

whatever? I don't have that. Not cool during that. They're saying the circumstance was different. I think. A hundred percent. Did Caitlin do it like in the game? That's what I'm saying. I need context because I don't know exactly how it went down. During the game. It was literally off, it was literally like right off the I think the score. I can't

remember. I know she made two threes off the rip and I'm almost positive. I look at the screen. Even then even if Angel does it after the game, it's not like she's like going in her face, like doing middle it's just oh she did go in her face and did this well well no she was in her peripheral she was like she was either either even if in her face it's like still she's doing this it's not like she's like talking shit to her putting her down it's it's just like a simple it's just mocking it's it's just

mocking her like mocking her like me same thing in cod you suck your ass and we've been bad forever afterwards good game yeah like there's certain things now but there are people in cod that like after it's over, like, they'll still keep you talking shit when you're walking across the stage. I guess that's kind of what it's like. Yeah. That's like, I think that's whack.

But there's still a season left, though. Like, keep it in the game. Once it comes outside the game, now it's like, okay, you're weird. What if that's done at champs though? What if at champs, let's say it was Phase versus 100 Thieves?

I mean, the FACE beats, yeah, the 3-0, exactly. But even then, they're not going to your face. You're doing 3-0. As long as, like, when you're across the stage, they're being cool, like it shouldn't matter. Look.

If they're like walking across the stage and you're like, like looking at them, I think that's like. But that's. Slashar, Slashar just recently after beating phase did this. Yeah, that's insane. After beating 100 thieves did this. Now imagine. I mean, that's insanely disrespectful, but like. But what if he, how much more disrespectful would that have been if he did it after winning champs?

And there's no more chance for retribution from the other team. I'm pretty sure draws did. I don't know if I bought a disres. Did he? I'm pretty sure. Really? No, anyway, I just, again. I don't remember exactly.

They weren't white and black, so that didn't blow the fuck up. I, I, there, there is, listen, we live in the day in, in, in the age where people are trying to be as divisive as possible in any opportunity that they get to get the people distracted from the real bullshit, from all the oil spills, from all the chemical spills, from all of these meaningful things. It's honestly tiring. It's so tiring. It's like, everywhere I look, it's just like division and agenda. crazy how like there's people that are so invested in this kind of weird shit and all that and then there's like me i'm just like i said it was just she did it back that's the way the only way i see it and then i leave it at that and never go back to it ever again i even if there's some crazy breaking story i

wouldn't even care about it just it's i just think it wasn't like doing that it's just it doesn't even doesn't matter when where why how it's like she did that after someone already did that to her in like the previous whatever. There was a bunch of fucking racist losers though coming at Angel Reese on some fucking mad. They can say it's disrespectful, but for anything else to be brought into it is just... Yeah.

All right, here's one. It's just ridiculous. So the dude, you know about boxing a little bit? Yeah. You know Caleb, who Caleb plan is? He just lost the Benavides. Yep. But remember he knocked the dude Derell?

Yeah. And I beat this, brother. He lost to the, or he knocked the dude Dorel out before. But afterwards, when he knocked them out, he did the like he's burying him like now that's a little bit like how you feel about that

disrespectful listen that's a little bit of a I'm gonna tell you how I feel about it exactly exactly I am going to like it for the sport but like yeah look at draws look at draws this is after champs if you are he's fucking flipping them off across the stage if you are a warrior who's about to literally get into a fucking

fist fight with another man and you do that that's Listen, they can continue to settle that. In some cases, it isn't sportsmanship. It isn't a sport. They totally do want to get in the rain together. He did say the dude said to Caleb Plant, like, I'll never lose to no white boy.

Damn. So, like, that's, you know what I'm saying? It was like a little. Martinez is not a white dude, though. No, deerell. No, this is when he knocked out the dude before. Yeah. Again, in fighting sports is one thing because it's different, right?

Like they're there beating the shit out of each other. Yeah. That was like super recent, right? Yeah. Plants lost. Yeah, like two weeks ago maybe. I saw like the hype for it, but I didn't see. I literally texted you.

Like I said, are you like Caleb Plants fighting tonight? He said, let me guess. You think you look like Caleb Plant. No. Damn, man. I didn't want him to lose. I didn't really like the other guy. He was close.

He was so close. Anyway, I, I, uh, I, I feel a bit sad for, for LSU. because one single thing has just like put this shroud over like an incredible fucking win. If, if Caitlin had a, had a full team with her the way the LSU was a full team. But it's like fake. Like in their reality,

this isn't bothering them. They're living it up back home. They're part of like, we want to change. This is going around like just in the air. People care more than the players. Yeah. I feel like that happens a lot.

Because they're trying to be divisive. Brom bitch. Listen. Like people get paid to do this shit. Yeah. People get paid to divide. That's right. Like that's a day job.

Go on Twitter and start dividing motherfuckers. It was, it was a, it was a proven. Just like, just like traffic. No, it was a proven thing that the Russians were meddling during the election, trying to get people riled up. And it was it is proven. The best thing that you could do is mind your own fucking business. Be kind to each other.

Be competitive. It's fine. I didn't see anything wrong. The only thing wrong is that maybe she did it after the buzzer and she should have. Even that. The point was proven. You don't need to do this again, in my opinion. You already did it.

You already, not only did you do it to her already during the game, but you won the game. And I understand this is some form of jealousy because Caitlin is getting all the coverage. But again, it was good for women sports. I would have never tuned in. It's just not my thing. I don't tune into regular basketball games. I was more invested in the women's than the men's this year Same I didn't watch the men's

I'd be hype if I was Angel Reese though I'm like no one really knew you before And now she just like everyone sort of knows her name Yeah she's going to the WMBA though And so is Caitlin I see a world in which they both team up And they become fucking world champions Probably

It's like tell me that's not a good start to a story I don't even know who was in the men's finals That's how much Yukon and San Diego State Didn't give a fuck But I watched the shit on him Zini owes me 20 gifted Mank

Zorro Zinney just can't catch a break. No, we can't. Wait, how do you guys say it? Bad news bears? Yeah. Continues to get worse and worse. Anyway, I think we're good.

Thank you so much for tuning in, everybody. I know that this one was a little bit all over the place, but this is usually your favorites anyway. All right. Seth, any closing comments, maniac? Nah, man. Thanks for watching the video. Team Angel Reese, fast. Actually, no, I support both.

Peace and love. I would buy a Caitlin Clark jersey before I would buy anybody else's jersey, not just Angel Reese. Because she put... She's a dog. She put her on the mat, man.

She's a fucking gangster-ass basketball player. She saw how far she was shooting? She got rain. Stephanie Curry. Do? Straight up. Anyway, thank you so much for tuning in. If you guys agree or disagree,

leave some comments in the description. Don't fight with each other. God damn it. That's going to be. No, the comment section is not going to be a fighting. The second that you see somebody arguing with you, stop. Anyway, we'll see you guys next time. Goodbye.