OpTic Podcast - IS ESPORTS BANKRUPT | The OpTic Podcast Ep. 140

Episode Date: September 17, 2023

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It does feel that way. Across all games. Across all games. All games. All games. All games have this problem. Different orgs, like, it just feels like everything's like, just weird. What do we doing next?

I don't think the end is near. I think the restart is near. The restart. I think the restart is near, which I think is needed, but what does a restart look like? The restart is mainly, at least people are saying, is mainly based around player salaries. Because people are overpaying their players. And then on the back end of things, it's making it harder to do other things in the business because they're overpaying their players. and it's like

Yo, yo, back again episode 140 of the Optic podcast and let's go ahead and get the white elephant out of the room. Pam's back. I'm back, man.

Pamela. Happy to be back. We're back. So you drove, what, 30 hours? No, 24, 26. Not 40. Somewhere around there. Yeah, it was a lot.

I only. he did 12 hours and then slept out at some random dog water holiday in then did the next 12 got my second win as soon as I sell the Texas son I love that I love that I used to do that when I first moved to this

into the scuff house I used to do the North Carolina to Chicago drive used to run that a lot I loved my drive here did you hear like just the whole week like I went home came back to me and Mike stayed in downtown Chicago for a week and then drove but it like just were you going crazy out there?

Oh I was going out of the underground yeah I probably swung through there one last hurrah Is that place still a thing? I think so I love that place The underground's got to be

I feel like we all used to drive I used to drive to Pennsylvania Oh yeah Like we used to be a driver Yeah because I used to hate flying So I would just drive And then looking back on it I can't believe I did that

Same that's how I feel I can't believe that I was doing that I have to drive to to Arizona in October and I'm like... It's not that bad. It was like 15, 15 hours. Oh, you're going on there for a bit?

Yeah, it's bad. I'm staying with Alexis for a month. Very nice. Yeah, me and, uh, me and Mace are going to drive down there? 15 to stay for a month isn't too bad. Right, that's what I'm saying. That's not that bad.

The drive back is going to be like. Yeah. Like, wait, this shit's 15 hours. Mike actually drove my car down here the first time. Oh, yeah. I was, yeah, we were together. I forgot about that.

were in that too? What? You were in the, were you in the car too with him? No, I was driving my own car. Yeah, so you guys were just like doing it up on the highway? Yeah. Dude, I stayed, I stayed with Nick for a little bit. He was driving the X6 and I was driving my Jeep.

Stayed with him for a little bit and then like he left and then he got here three hours before I did. Holy. Yeah. Him and Aaron create just fuck 30 for six hours. Fuck that. That's Nick

driving for me dude we couldn't get gat like i mean i don't know in illinois i never saw it but like when we got to like the fucking country or whatever we stopped 93 i press it put it in my it's like why aren't these fucking pumps working these pumps are not working so i go inside like excuse me me like i don't know what's going to the 93 like it's not working yeah she comes out you have to flip the lever up like on the pump i'm like uh i've never seen that in my life you're not used to pumping your own gas i've never seen that old school pump i'm like what the fuck you hear the 93 kick in

I've never heard the 93 kick in someone was roasting me when the 85 kicks in like someone was roached to me because I put 89 in my car oh yeah

you're not supposed to it don't matter it seems like you were eyeing those prices shit runs I don't look at the price I just default to the lowest one yeah you just don't put the green one in

that's all I know yeah diesel yeah what happens if you put diesel in your car I think that shit just turns a slug like it does the car get total you have to siphon it there's a reservation

like the reservation I'm from Shawanaga uh they accidentally ended up putting diesel in the gas so they had to put out like a huge notice for like anyone who bought gas from this gas station for like a week yo we might have pumped diesel in your car because someone just messed up real bad I'd be so pissed

dude Matt you got that you got that answer for us I know Tesla You know what I'm saying Matt's got a big old diesel car Diesel truck It's like a F550 The diesel

All Kansas $275 to fill up Yes diesel can if you put diesel in your cars Oh just major damage Oh that's not bad then That's not bad It's not full failure It doesn't fall in total

It won't catch fire Yeah it's major damage So what, how was, how was, how was, I was, uh, first football Sunday for you guys. I know you guys had a big hurrah. Yeah. I didn't, I wasn't, I did not make it. I'm just so sorry, but I heard the food was very good. Oh, dude, yeah.

Hilton, it was a great time. Hilton cooked fajitas and they were crazy. They were amazing. I mean, like full spread. Denisa and Andrew brought like a full charcutory board. We had chips. I mean, a bunch of sauces and plenty of drinks. Oh, yeah.

And this is just for, was this just for first football Sunday? Or are y'all doing this for fantasy and shit? I mean, I'm down to run it as many Sundays as I'm in down. I mean, because, I mean, the next, like, the next five weeks get, like, really crazy for, for me. And I'm sure for you guys, too, we have, like, the cod beta coming out. This weekend, we fly to L.A., me, Zinian Hector. I don't know if we can say for what yet, but we're flying there for three days on Sunday. Oh, yeah.

The following week we have. Offseason. off season the following week after that we have have they announced the cod event thing yes they have announced it we have the cod event thing and then the week after that or it's like a two week break after that and then the beta comes the first week of the beta comes out and then the next weekend after that we have halo worlds and then the weekend

after that i have my fiance sister's wedding in new york so it's like the next like six weeks i'm just fucking everywhere which i don't like i'm a home body it's got to be hard to commission your team from all over the planet. What do you mean? Your fantasy team? Are y'all doing fantasy or no? I mean, I fell asleep during the draft.

It just auto-drafted. Dude. So I won our first game in our league, in our league, like the Optic League. And I'm in another league with like J-Cap, Octane, Mud Dog, Zinny, like Sam, Hilton, like I'm just a bunch of people. And I got fucking slammed in that league because he had Tyreek. Oh, yeah. He went for what?

like 300. 39 points. 39 fantasy points. We had two touchdowns, 215 receiving yards. And all Sam said was Tyreek is God. So do you get shafted if you draft defensive players? Like, do we, in both of our leagues we don't have defense.

So usually you just pick like a full defense, like a team's defense. Oh, okay. Okay. But we don't do kickers or defense because like what fuck are we doing? That's fucked up. You see how the Jets won yesterday? I went only pick it to the crib. Oh, man. Out for the year?

Out for the year. It just got an out. As we're recording this, it just got announced like five minutes ago. Three plays out for the year. His Achilles is done. Dude, I just blame the line at that point. I'm like, what's fucking out, dude?

Get involved. Like, this is Aaron Rogers, bro. Apparently MetLife is like the worst field to play on as a player. I do see people say that. I see people say that a lot. Like new turf, not broken in at all. Like, no give. Tragic, dude.

Zach Wilson. I mean, the motherfucker was going crazy, though. Yeah, yeah He literally bangs moms What? What you mean? What I heard? Matt Craig loved it

Matt Craig loved that Apparently he is into mothers He's a mom slayer Did hear that Moms he loved to Didn't he like I saw some story about Something happened with his girlfriend

Before what I forgot what the story I don't remember I don't follow like the beef All I know is he likes moms I saw the part return The part return right Oh yeah he like S slept with his mom's

something like that mom like her one of her friends and I guess the girlfriend found out about something shit like but like I mean how could you blame him

he's not a fucking league that's just do what he wants oh that can't happen but they got the win they did get the win they beat the bills too it's not like they beat like some shitters

they beat the bills what do you think remember we did the we did like the social video where you do the pick um like I don't know shit I don't know shit about any of the teams yeah

So I was just like I was just following off of Seth And then I the first thing I said was The Lions were gonna beat the Chiefs Like as a joke And then they ended up doing it Yeah The Lions were good last year

They just had a lot of injuries A fuck ton of injuries Yeah What year was it And I saw I saw Ninja tweet that like The Lions lost like 90% of their games But it was only by like a touchdown Like every every game was by like

Less than seven points No ice Something like that So So maybe it's just like the, maybe the lions are finally, imagine being from Detroit, Jordan Proofy Cannon. He's from Detroit? Yeah. What's Proof he up to?

I just talk to him every day. He'd just be chilling, streaming, watching his lions go. What's your Discord call you all sit in? Flakers. Lakers? That call, nothing good is coming from that call. Everybody's a Flicker. Yeah, you want to come play?

Yeah, I'll be there in an hour. Five hours later they show up. Fucking Flake. SOR shit. Dude, I wonder, I wonder if, what did Killa do last year? Because he was, for the first round of offseason, he was by far the best player in the whole tournament. Oh, yeah. Like, he's doing exactly what he's doing now.

Nothing. That's why I'm excited to have him watching. He's just doing nothing. I talked to him, yes, two days ago or something like that. And he was just drunk in the court. So we're all playing like different games, 240 Hertz and shit. And then we go back to. 60 frames, no

no F-O-V slider and it's like dude it's like a whole Matt Craig tried to have me do two livecoms on B-O-2 and what was the other one? It was B-O-2 and B-O-4 B-O-4 and dude it's insane

like I actually was ass yeah you were raging a little bit yeah but those videos pop the fuck off because I expected to come back and like be able to shoot straight and it's just no just wind it's so hard it's hard to do livecoms I was thinking about doing a couple of livecoms

I brought my 360 here too but dude it's fucking hard dude when you like when you go back and watch your old clips on like 360 I'm mind blown yeah I'm impressed yeah it's like mind blowing how straight we were shooting yeah and like I wasn't even shooting that straight like you guys are shot straight as fuck

you gotta give yourself some credit I mean hey it's a nice guys 14 against IXI you were shooting semi straight no big deal on Karachi Merk got one 180 turned on was that the Karachi one

yeah name drop I know which one but Merk was also playing on Xbox 1. No one cares. You smoke. And I was on a 360, but we don't talk about that. No, no. We don't talk about that. Xbox 1 was cool. Yeah, but the backwards compatible, it's like got a delay on it.

And if you're playing on 360, you don't have a delay. Oh, yeah. So like, I was 1V1 against Merck, and then he's trying to shoot me. Just sees you half a second later. Yeah, that's it's not fun. But whenever we like go to the off season and you actually like

play for a couple hours and kind of to it, that's when it's like, okay. That's when it gets fun. It just gets so fun. See, if there was like some setups in the back and people were playing, you would see like who is obviously the better teams to start winning. But like as far as like everyone only gets to play when they get on.

You're just throwing them up there. Whatever happens? It's going to be though. Because if everyone keeps playing and playing, that's what I'm saying. My fucking crim's going to start getting back of the hangar. I remember how you do this. We can throw an EMP grenade over this wall. Yeah, that's Wait, what's the format this year?

It's just four teams just... Four teams, double-lm. Yeah. Best to seven, best of nine finals, I think. Damn. Something like that. I think that's what we did last year. It's always...

Wait, is it one day? Two days. Saturday. One match and then... Yeah, so I think play up to winner's finals on... I think losers' finals, grand finals on Sunday. I think that's what it is. So...

Makes sense. Okay. It's exciting. It's going to be a... It's gonna be a lot of fun. It's gonna be fun to see Killa back up there from last year. Nate Schott's first land in 10 years. It's gonna be fun to see Pred and Shotsie

because Shotsie got slammed last year. People don't remember that. Yeah, Shotsie got like slammed. But. Who slammed him? Who slammed him? Listen, I got the young. I got a little.

I think so. Sorry. Dude, there's no way. Me and Damon got the young bucks. Like, we'll be chilling. Oh, you guys. would be fine. Yeah, you guys would be fine.

Well, last year, Shotsie was like a last minute pickup because Damon actually like is going to go weirdly hard at that thing. I'm going to be going hard too, but he's going to be like glasses fogging up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a different level of going on. It's going to be fun. Yeah, that's just going to be fun. We got side events for the off season as well.

If you guys don't know, the off season is a event that's coming up in two weeks at Arlington, Eastport Stadium, Arlington. Come check it out. Watch all these games live. It should be a lot of fun. It's for charity as well. We got some side events. Pam's going to be playing in the Beario Kart tournament.

That's going to be fun. It's a tournament where you play Mario Kart 64 and you have to finish a beer before you finish the race, but you can't have your hand on the controller and the beer at the same time. So it's either you're doing one or the other. One or the other. Wait, that's crazy.

So are you going to rip it off the start and then go? That's probably the game plan, right? You wait for a jump. The shotgun on it off the rip and then you just go. Or, yeah, or, like boost it over jump just catch it throw it up

me air but that's just gonna be fun I think sounds awesome I think in that we got like uh Lucky's gonna be in that

George is going to be in that maniac um we've got noisy butters is going to be playing in that too so Nick is in there

it's gonna be fun that one's gonna be fun uh you got you're playing a show match and Eagles versus Eagles on Eagles and NFL Blitz show match against

is that the one where you like get hurt like you can like punch people in the balls and stuff yeah that's like like you can jump off walls and shit no that's NFL street right yeah NFL blitz is like when I see it I'll know it like instantly do you remember like slugfest where you could like punch people off the bag do you remember like Barry bonds was to be like and then he would hit a monster you don't remember those games I remember like some of them like NFL street basketball street like those type like I remember the street there's the street versions and then there's the blue like red card yeah i played NFL in an hl hits i played the NFL run off the wall and yeah that's that's NFL street my favorite which is what i was gonna do i was gonna do NFL

street you and mango and i told mango's like yo I'm doing this like side event Eagles versus Eagles and he said NFL street is my favorite game of all time so and I was like all right then no like I'm not putting Seth up I'm not putting Seth up against someone's favorite game So I just went up there and got slammed. Yeah, so I was like, all right, we're doing NFL Blitz. But NFL Street was the idea at first. Remember that game you used to load up in my computer class? I forgot the name of it.

With Pablo. Oh, yeah, backyard baseball. Backyard baseball. Dude, that shit was fucking fire. Yeah, that went crazy too. That went crazy. Can you pull up a clip of like MLB Slugfest? Just to see, because I feel like Slugfest would be the one that people played.

I don't know if there was a basketball one. There had to have been a... It had to have been a basketball one, but. Offseason is going to be dope, man. Yeah. There's a lot of fun. Sure, it's going to be a lot of fun this year. Nate Charity.

The merch. We're supposed to talk about the merch. The offseason merch is about to be live. It might be live right now. Yeah, it's like 2000s pop punk vibe. All right, you remember this? Dude, look at these old school games. Look at this menu, man.

Just straight to the point. I remember like that, like, that theme of the menu and it's like everything's on fire and shit. Yeah. Is that Scorpion? That might be Scorpion. I think that's fucking Scorpion. I think that's Mortal Kombat Scorpion there does.

That's Mortal Kombat Scorpion. What the fuck? Yeah, but like you can get, you can like get on, if you get on, if you get on base, you can like punch people. You don't remember any of this? Oh shit.

Well, we might have to set you up. You might have to run a few plays. before you get up there, you know. Absolutely. That looks dope. Ditching lightning. What does that mean? What's up?

The iPhone 15? iPhone 15. Oh, like the lightning charging like cable. Wait, this thing? Oh, the fast charging? Like they're getting rid of that. Oh, are they really? It's so smart, but it's just so unnecessary.

I think it's charge a need for that. Wasn't it like a legal thing? No. Oh, okay. It used to be a legal thing, but now they're just doing it. That's the second time they've changed the cable. They fucked you on the, when you plug it into the box is different, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you ever see those like old school, like the wide ones, the ones from pre-lightening?

Yeah. Like every once in a while, you go to a hotel and they haven't updated their fucking I homes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's the ones that you like, put it in shit. I kind of miss those. Same. Those were a vibe. Somebody do.

I saw somebody. And music plays. The first time I saw someone with a lightning cable I was like, man, try hard. Like little tiny lightning cable. Dude, how are your mentions after the optic apex shit? Yo, I'm gonna be getting called

like noob coach and shit. Like what's going on? They haven't been like, I mean, there's definitely been like weird like messages, but they haven't been that like that bad. You also, I feel like you went harder. Like you literally translated to Chinese. I just posted a picture of me smoking a cigar. That's true.

That's true. Yeah, I feel like you definitely. I saw, I saw somebody, somebody replied like an optic fan, like trolled and replied with what I, I just copy and paste it,

I just yoinked his whole tweet. And it said something like, let's fucking go. That's, I hit translate, it said, let's fucking go in, I guess,

Mandarin or Chinese or whatever. So I just copy and pasted that. Do you know what we're talking about? Yeah, I saw your tweet. Yeah. Yeah. So the,

if you guys don't know, the Optic Apex team, um, they kind of grieved, uh, a team called Dreamfire. Yeah. In ALGS and it's a Chinese team and apparently their fan base is just passionate as fuck.

Like insane to the point where Joey tweeted off the optic account like this is our POI or something. And in what an hour it got 5,000 replies. Oh my God. Like literally like BTS Selena Gomez like that. that type of fan-based status. And so naturally we all jumped in and started talking shit as well. Got to try to get some interactions. Have to.

Try to get our Elon money up. Three impressions. And, yeah, they went crazy on those too. Yeah, they did. Oh, they did. Would they do this happen? I was driving, dude. I feel like I was in it.

Sunday. Sunday? Yeah, the apex. Apex, like, their championship final was Sunday. And we, us and Dreamfire were the first show in Apex. You have to get the 50 points. and then after you get the 50 points you have to win a game to win the event

and us and Dreamfire were the first two to 50 points and we like grief them what does that mean grief? So like we like fucked up their game on purpose basically Oh okay That's griefing yeah gotcha And it happens a lot in Apex like Because whenever you're on match point

All the teams are like if they see you there Because all you can see in the top right Is the teams that got eliminated So if they know that you're still in the game they're trying to like kill you so the event doesn't end so they can still win. Oh, okay. Damn,

look at all those replies, bro. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I was just about it. That's what I was pulling going to pull up. My reply got almost 3,000 replies. Wait,

translate it? Translate it? Let's fucking go on. Optic wins everything. Optic wins everything. Got six bookmarks too. That's hilarious. Dude, I got to say for the Apex Boys, dude, they played so fucking good.

I mean, yeah, obviously they don't get to win, but I think they were the most consistent team, definitely on Sunday. And maybe throughout the whole weekend. I think we might have been the most consistent team at the event. They played so well. I mean, there's three opportunities to win it there. And it's like, if, you know, if I think if Skittle, if Skittlekeg's doesn't die first in that one game and then our other two guys had blue. shields like and then there's a there's another like it's just like it's so situational in apex that you know all the trolls are going to say oh you're the you had six opportunities

to win it and you can't win it it's like dude it's there's so many things there's like nine teams in the last circle like there's attachments there's shield levels there's who has an alt who right who has grenades like there's so many different things but then also on the other side of things tsm i mean that was that was that was what they did was crazy Very typical. They went back to back. They won three games in a row to win the tournament. It was insane.

Wow. Yeah. We had what, I think we had like 40 points and they had zero or something like that. Like they came back. Yeah, TSM had zero points first two games. They won three in a row. And then they won three in a row. It was crazy.

And then wins that wins the whole thing. Damn. But I think I think ALGS, the way they have it formatted is so sick. I think what we've all said about BRs is. it's almost impossible to make it competitive because BRs are so weird and it's hard and you have to like lean into entertainment but how they've done it is a great balance. I think Apex is the best BR competitive game right now. Far not. By a mile. I think it's the best competitive BR of all time. Like I don't I don't think there's anything even remotely close. Yeah, I might agree with that.

It's just like, I don't know. I mean, I think there's been entertaining BRs. that have been like show matchy and in a fun setting. Like you think of some really cool. Yeah, it's a really cool H1 moments, some really cool Fortnite moments. 40, yeah. But not to this level, in my opinion. I can't even really, there's a glare.

So you guys might have to read some of these. I can't tell. Yeah, it was the first Apex tournament that we did like an official from start to finish watch party. So we were waking up at like 4 a.m. one day, 6 a.m. another day because it was in London. So we were up like, We were up at outlandish hours.

And it was so, I can't wait for their season to start again. I just hope it doesn't, like, conflict with the CDL, because obviously CDL takes precedent. Yeah, yeah. CDL's on, then we're not watching Apex. But it's a great time, great time to watch. I mean, shit, if the CDL and Apex are on at the same time, team summertime might have to take over the ALGS streams.

It might have to happen. Bays Terminate CEO, Leach Rink. I saw that. Didn't know what to think, man. Didn't know. I really did not know what to think. Oh, man. I mean.

Both couldn't wait to be that shit. Talking, to say the least, to be honest. I don't even know. Yeah, I didn't even know what, like, what was the backstory on. I don't really know the backstory. I was driving, too. Like, so much, so much shit happened, like, when I was driving. While you were driving?

Yeah. I'm just one way just 300 kilometers each like um yeah that's uh I don't know I was I'm kind of just going off like what rain was saying like he was you know how rain has been going yeah he can't anytime stuff like this happens he just goes he just goes rogue he just does his own thing I love it um I don't really I honestly I didn't really like talk to Lee too much he was like never like in the in the phase headquarters like really that much at all um that's all you have to say that's all yeah man like some other things I want to say but like you know I'm gonna keep it all you got to sit I'm gonna sit on the fence on that one man yeah sorry um but in

so I don't really know anything I didn't even know it's a big deal though like obviously I don't know who's taking his place like who's like who's like who's next in line here like some game of thrones like their next in line is like the CFO CFO and CEO now what the hell's that I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I was on the team. I didn't know.

I don't even know who these. Fucking adapt. Could be. Could be, yeah. So I don't really know much about this situation, but obviously anyone who's been following phase over the past year and a half knows that, knew that something was coming. Oh, it's something new every, every fucking week, man. There's basically two different phases.

Yep. There's like phase that we know. And then there's this phase that like. There's like three phases. There's the phase that like you guys know, there's like the corporate phase and then there's like the OG like kind of like background phase and then there's the, no, there's like four phases. Then there's the content creator phase. Honestly, man, like a lot of the content creators are kind of just like, like, yo, what's happening over there? Yeah.

Like that's all we kind of, we just kind of talk about it, talk about it like amongst each other like once in a while and just kind of wondering what the hell's going on. Because honestly, like, to my knowledge, I had to be in L.A. To even, like, really feel like I was a part of the culture there. Yeah. So, I mean, to just know. To be fair, that's something we struggle with here. It's very difficult to ingrain people that are remote. It's something that, I mean, that we, when it comes to our esports teams and our content creators,

I mean, it's something we struggle with with our Apex team, with the BOTES sisters. It's, you know, we struggled with it with the Rocket League team as well. Um, but it's, I think that's where like the future is probably headed is like, everybody's going to be like working out of the same spot. I think. I think that's how they do it, uh, in like League of Legends and stuff. Like they're, they all play out of the same place. And so you get to, you get to see them all at the same time.

And, uh, and I think that's why they are a little bit more successful in, in that way. Because you don't really hear, I mean, all the, what I'm, what I'm eventually getting is what happened with EG with their Valorant team. Did you all hear about this? No. So EG wins Valerant Worlds, biggest tournament of the year.

Their big world championship and they've basically released their whole team. That's crazy. Yeah. So, the best team in the world wins the biggest tournament in the world in a,

this is a franchise team as well, right, Matt? Yeah. So this is one of the teams that, you know, made franchising. When we didn't make franchising, they win worlds and now they can't afford their team. So they're letting them, you know, either they have the, except a significant pay cut or they've got to find a new team. Yeah, I feel like I've been seeing like everywhere on Twitter recently, not everywhere, but like just like a few times a day about like e-sports salaries and how they're inflated and how teams can. can't keep up with it or whatever and I just I don't even know what's going on anymore

dude everything everything feels like it's like semi falling apart it does slowly but surely it does feel that way it does feel that way across all games across all games all games all games all games have this problem different orgs like it just feels like everything's weird what are we doing next I don't think the end is near I think the restart is near the restart I think the restart is near, which I think is needed, but... What does a restart look like? Well, so the restart is mainly, at least people are saying, is mainly based around player salaries

because people are overpaying their players and then on the back end of things, it's making it harder to do other things in the business because they're overpaying their players. And it's like, I don't know, but I feel like salaries like what people are saying, people are saying that Valorant teams are making 20 to 25K

a month, which I feel like isn't like crazy for a Valorant team. The amount of viewership they're saying? bring in? Like people are saying they're getting overpaid, getting paid $25K a month. The player? Like one player. One player. Yeah, but you times that by six. By four. Including the coach and the analyst. So to operate a Valorant team at that would be 125 plus coach, plus analysts, which they're not getting paid as much. Right. You're probably looking at like

150 in salaries a month. Yeah. But I feel like you have to know that that's what's going to happen. Like, that's what the market is. But it's not what the market is. But it's not what the market is. I don't think. But it is. They just don't, they're not monetizing something but it is. That's all like, I mean, maybe. They're just fucking up not monetizing something on their end. Like, because they're bringing in the viewership. They're playing the part. The viewership that comes into Valer, they could for sure get paid 25 games. It's more than Cod. But. Way more than Cod. The team is not, the team is not, in that sense. In that sense. monetizing something on the back end.

They're not getting something. They're just giving them money out. They're not getting. They're not doing stuff like this. Yeah. They're not doing stuff like this. Exactly. It's definitely a combination of both for sure.

For sure. Because you've got to have a way, you've got to have a way to monetize the viewership that does come in. But it can't be just off the raw stream numbers of the tournament. Yeah. Like you can't like that. It's not even their numbers exactly. You have to like the game's numbers. Create a culture, create a fan base.

100%. But I feel like. But I feel like right now as an Eastport's... As an esports player, like, I feel like right now is horrifying. Like, there's no job security. They just won fucking champs in Valerite. Yeah. Probably...

Top three. Arguably, maybe the biggest... Maybe top one. Yeah, maybe the biggest e-sport in the world. Yeah, that's actually crazy to think about. They win worlds. That's kind of scary. Yeah.

No, it's terrifying. Yeah. It's fucking terrifying. It's something that, like, I don't know. I feel like I've been screaming it for, like, years now but like what the fuck it's what are we doing that's actually fuck like as as soon as people started like getting just get that good you just hundreds of thousands and millions of people watching and how the team just crumbles stupid amount of hours you do your job and then you're just like

what the fuck yeah and now probably though if they don't accept this pay cut they'll probably all go their separate ways one person's gonna go because he's the best player in their team's like he's gonna get his spot and he's gonna get paid yeah yeah somewhere but But all them are going to get, take pay cuts. They'll be tweeting each other on Twitter. Still love you, bro. It's that evolving door. Dude, that's, I mean, it's kind of like what happened in World War II.

Like, think about what happened in World War II. Like, we try to get this team. We can't get this team because of another player. Like, because Zuma, Zuma gets this, like, crazy pay bump. You motherfucker. And then, like, so now we can't get that team, even though we were going to. and now everyone knows how much one player makes, which is significantly more than what everyone else makes.

So now everyone's like, wait, how? And then everyone else is like, I don't know. You know what I mean? Like imagine being TK at the time, because this was before franchising. So like Zuma gets this crazy bump from Faze. And the TK team at the time was the best team in the game. But they're also not the biggest brand.

They're just in Cod. They're just a nasty team. Yeah, they're just a nasty team, a really homegrown team from Call of Duty. And so like if you're fucking Kenny at the time, you're like, I'm one of the best players in the game. Like how,

how is he getting paid nine times more than me? Yo. Yeah, salaries. Salaries. Cald off. Give me some bread. Now, Kauze is like, what? Now, what do I have to do? You know what I mean? I don't pay you.

You go somewhere else. Yeah, exactly. And then that bubble starts expanding. That's how it starts, dude. It is fucking. I just can't believe. I mean, I can't believe it popped this early though, because that was what, I mean, I guess that wasn't even that long after them winning. Like, I was fast. Like how they just. Oh, the EG? I mean, they already knew they were doing it. They probably, they probably went into it knowing they were doing it. And then. Yeah. They ended up winning. And it's like now they kind of look like the bad guys, but they probably, they probably knew that going into this that they were going to let their team go. I mean, obviously, you don't let a team go when they win. If you didn't have thoughts of getting rid of them before. the tournament yeah but the the backlash is like two different two different ways like two

two different big opinions it's just like how the fuck could easy do this to the championship level squad or and then it's like sure they weighed out all their options you know what I'm saying I'm sure they went through all their employees and was like who can we live without no no seriously they were going through the pages and the jukens and the emacrags What? No, not Matt Craig. No, we would never do that. To Page Juk and Matt Craig.

Shout out Matt Craig. If Matt Craig wasn't here, this place would burn to the ground. I would not be doing too well right now. Shout out Matt Craig. You, Matt, can I have your U-G cards? Just like if you leave or something? I was FaceTime and Matt Craig or texting him at 10 p.m. last night asking him where shit was here.

And he knew every, I said, where's the search protector? He said, here. Here, here. Here. I was like, okay, cool. That motherfucker's dialed. Matt, on a scale of 1 of 10, since you don't have a mic, how excited are you? Oh, you do have a mic?

I do have a mic. Oh, shit. On a scale of 1 to 10, how excited are you to move everything out of the hex quarters in the next month? It's a 10. It's got to be a 10. I'm so excited. I can't wait.

Think about it every day. That was sarcasm in there. No. No, no, no. Damn, the hex quarters. R-I-P. that's kind of sad it is kind of sad

but to be honest that place when you walk in nowadays it doesn't feel the same it's like it's a it's a barren wasteland

it's vibeless of well well not vibe less if you walked in there and you and four more aren't in there it is vibeless

okay there you guys are in there that makes me better that makes you feel better yeah but the just the layout of it right now

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that's insane. Four months. He's at the garage mall. Yeah, he is. Rippin at Bonski. Just places everywhere. I wonder what fucking his or not fucking auto

rent payment shit. Yeah. His books. God damn. He hits that auto pay and it's just like fuck. That's how. And the first in the month comes now, I'm like,

dude, and it's like if something goes wrong anywhere at that time, like I had to get my brakes, $1,200, $2,300. And it just kept, like, what the fuck? I won't drive this bitch for two months. Yeah. Defer when the first comes, especially this area too. Now I got a, I'm getting a Jeep today. I'm back on the Jeep wave.

You're buying a Jeep? Yep. Right after this? Yeah, right after this, I go pick it up. You're so stoked right now. I'm high. I'm hype. Like did you go with the original like?

Like a, so it's a four door now. So remember we had to crawl in the back of the red, red jeep? Yeah. I bumped it up. Got Mesa Bixie. Did you go like newer style or the old style? It's like a 2019, something like that. Oh, so newer.

Yeah, it's pretty. It's right. I thought you like the, no, it's not red. I thought you were into like the old school kind of. Are you going to paint it red? No. Don't do that. Red is.

Red is. Dude the red was that's gamma hitch that's game a hitch it's a part of you bro Gamma hitch Gama hitch second row far left yeah that's you right there that is that was me I whipped that all the time in Caldera that's you right now you just don't want to accept it I I'm not accepting it that's literally you no I the red jeep was like it was it lived and it is it is since moved on

did I ever tell you how I got rid of the Jeep just auctioned it I drove it into a parking lot for gasoline. Just left the keys in it. So whenever we got the Nissan deal, when we were with Infinite, I was just driving that little tiny blue car. I can't remember the name. It was like not, it was whatever's under the leaf. It's a four cylinder little tiny car.

And I was just driving that because my Jeep had like basically died at the time. And so I parked the Jeep outside of that old optic house. And Will came home one day and said, and was like, yo, there's a, this lady outside that's looking at your Jeep. I was like, what? He said, yeah, I stopped her. And she was there with a police officer. Like, and he was looking in the Jeep.

And so I stopped by and said, hey, like, what's up? This is my roommate's Jeep. And she said, well, it hasn't moved in three months. And so I thought that somebody was selling drugs out of it. What's like, what the fuck? So literally, this is in, this is at McAlpin? No, this is in, uh, the plane drive. Yeah, Blaine.

Was it the crazy lady from the basketball court? I think it was the crazy lady from the basketball court. But the old optic house with the yellow walls. The third optic house. The fake optic house. We call it the fake optic house. The one you walked into that theater room and it was like, I walked downstairs like.

Yes. That one. Looking for snacks. looking for snacks. So yeah, the lady was like, you know, he's got to be selling drugs out of this car. And I was like, so that day I just looked up like a donation place, put the title in the car and sent it and somebody came and just hauled it off for like,

it was for, and they donated to like kids that are like teenagers that are getting their license that can't afford cars. So just one day I was just like, just get it out. and it was gone. It's still a good someone's out there enjoying it. Some kids out there driving that. Hopefully.

Just know that was the same car that Nick Maniac Kersner would drive to the gym every day. Got to be got to mean something, right? Yeah. Yeah. You're still whipping.

When are you getting a new car? Dude, I just I just don't like need one. It's the amount that I drive is actually appalling. I just don't. drive. I Uber here. I Uber here, which was

set up per my contract. They said, we're moving downtown. I said, I'm getting car service now. That's kind of nice. They were going to buy me an apartment. So I could just sleep down here. I'm not even trolling. But because all of y'all live down here, I come

you know. I know people. What was that last question? was the last thing you said? I come. No, not that. Oh. You said all of y'all live down here.

And I was like, what? You said all of y'all? You don't live here yet? No, I fucking stick shift from Frisco. Oh, my God. Now I feel like an asshole.

Matt lives farther away than I do. Do you? Matt lives far as far as hell. It took Matt an hour and a half to get here. Oh, my God. They don't got you on car service? I'm deep. bro.

I was fucking deep. Are you gonna move or you just, you just married? I just moved there. You just moved there. But so like whenever, so like I signed like my new contract, whatever,

like creator contract and. Congrats. Well, thank you. Thank you. This was a really long time ago. But I didn't know that we were moving downtown. And obviously me and Hector

live side by side. Yep. And I was like, all right, I got to get car service. Because like I, I just, I don't want to drive.

I don't want to drive that much. Especially like in my car, it eats gas. Like I don't want to drive. my lodge especially coming back like some days like three four it's gonna be traffic traffic i'm trying to get back to stream like it's sometimes roj will set up a unprocessed at three and we get that four and i gotta leave it's 30 and like that's literally i'm not leaving i'm saying here to six yeah i'm literally that it's oh it's frisco it's oh it's a frisco it's too late it's too late

now what you live in frisco are you really oh where oh no don't say that what did you do that What area? I had to move down. I just had to move here ASAP. I don't know. I didn't even come to ASAP, but I don't think it's that bad. What's your address? But it could have been so much easier.

You just would live down here. You're right. I was thinking about it. We'll go back to Friscoe eventually. I hope so. But sometimes I'm in content like four or five times a week, and then I have to stream on top of that. So it's like, I need some time to like reset.

I can't be driving, streaming content. Like, I need some time to reset. for everyone calls me a diva. Yeah. I mean, content days, I'm not bitching about content, but content days, I mean,

I'm up at 8.30. Mm-hmm. We're here from like 10 to 2 probably, and then I go home and stream for six hours. That's like 10, 11 hour day. That's a big day. That's what I'm saying. So I need some resets in that month.

Put the head back into Uber. Nap a little bit. Yeah, I put my AirPods in sunglasses, and I just close my eyes. What Uber's he got? Black. limousine. You have to.

Depends on the day. Page only orders them the hummers. No, it depends on the day. It depends on the day. Usually I get comfort, but if the comfort's not within like 10 minutes,

then I'll get a black car because there's always like one within four minutes away. I'm trying to get here. You got to get here on time. Yeah. And you got people I'm going to get ripped into. Put it on a table.

This is what it is. Put it on the table. It is what is. Sometimes you have to get ripped into. Sometimes you have to. It took like 20 minutes for me to get here. So like. That's it.

Oh, so you're probably like, it's not bad. You're probably like way northern Frisco. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Because we're like, I think we're like close to like the northern. You'll get there quick. Go get back quick. Yeah, we got to drive through Friscoe.

Yeah. To get through. Yeah, we're like 35. If you only got here in 20 minutes, yeah, you're good. 20-ish. Yeah, 20 is doable. It took me 45 to get down here. I was thinking about it.

The way here. Like, it just reminded me of driving to my office in Perry Sound. Like a 20-minute drive. there and I was like kind of like this is kind of nostalgic a little bit. Rips some tunes. Rips some tunes. Go ahead. Go ahead.

No, no, go ahead. You got it. Did you see the Sidman charity match? We didn't. A bunch of people were talking about it on my stream, but we were watching Apex. So it was. Oh, okay. Yeah, it's kind of tough.

Those are always, those are always a lot of fun to look at or to watch and then, and look at the highlights. 60,000 seats got sold out. It's a big stream. It's a big stream. 60,000 seats. How many viewers did they have concurrent? I don't know.

I have no idea. Had to have been over like a million, right? I don't know. I know they raised over 2.5 million. It's a charity event. This shit just looks fun, man. It's got to be over a million viewers. It has to be, right?

Yeah. I mean, XQC's in it, fucking speeds in it. Yeah, Mr. Bees. Yeah, it's got it. Mr. Beast on the thumbnail, like money. Yeah. KSI, I mean, look at that thumbnail. Kai.

That's a new. Mr. B. Oh, yeah. Kai. What's the fuck? Who's going to go on the thumbnail? Well, you know you got Mr. Beast and KSI. Yeah.

Speed. I mean, those, those, I mean, that's... It's $2.5 million. What? Wow. 2.5 million viewers That's like cable television numbers What the fuck?

What does like cable television get? Like if you're watching Judge Judy or some bullshit At like noon Yeah, I don't know It probably gets around that You think? Yeah, probably I mean that's a lot of fucking people

There is a lot 6 2.6 To me A million people A lot of commas Watching Do

Everyone put pretty much put in dollar too great people no good people good people good people what was their uh what was their charity what were they uh i don't know what i actually don't know what charity they is it might be a couple different ones do you do you know matt yeah but uh it's always a lot it's always a lot of fun that they do that i know they took a break a million though like donations oh yeah they broke a million last year um and then i guess they doubled it this year which is crazy whenever you whenever you do annual charities like it's always like it's always a little scary because you can only go up every year so many times before it's just like okay you can't pass that like if they raise 10 million one year like they're not going to raise 10 million in the next year you know what I mean so it's always a little like scary to try to keep upping the ante that's something that I kind of run into with with off season so you don't but regardless anything that you raise like good is good yeah and What charity is off season?

Movember. Men's health, right? Yeah, men's mental health. Dope. So, yeah. The Simon charity is awesome. What would we do if we were going to do something like that? Kickball.

Kickball? Or softball? Softball. I was thinking softball would go hard. That would be dope. I think Optic versus 100thief softball. That would be so crazy. That would be so fun, right?

So fun. What position would you play? Reverse cowgirl. I mean, self? Mission? I don't know what I'd play. I was a first baseman. Softball, you kind of just play everywhere.

Anywhere. Like, wherever you're feeling. Like, for a second. And a guy softball. It's like, I'm going to out shortstop. Rover, shortstop, left field, right field, center field. So we're going to be like, no.

No, I'm just going to just go play centerfield. No, that's what I'm saying. No one's going to say no. Nobody gives me a buck. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We got us. You say shortstop.

I'm like, all right. Go ahead, man. go have a ball I think we got to pull some shit off like that that'd be sick we should totally either like optic verse I was gonna say phase but they're going through some shit so maybe not that right now

might not have a softball team the optic optic thieves optic moist maybe or like that those guys like I think I think that would be fun that'd be a lot of ballpark so 2,500 seats yeah

the one concessions The Frisco. Oh, yeah, the Frisco, the Frisco, the, the, the Rough Rider Stadium with the pool. You know how there's like a lazy, there's a lazy river? There's a apartment that right behind it, it's actually the Omli. It like hangs over the field. So you can go on your balcony, you're like in the back, like you're watching the game. Really?

It's fire. That stadium. When I did my walk here, I walked by the stadium at like 6 a.m. Yeah. And I was like, looking at, I was looking at it. It was like, damn, that shit's fire. Yeah, dude, that would be sick. A softball game at Rough Rider Stadium?

Optic versus who? Who do you guys want us to play in softball? That should be fun. I'd be down for that. I think that would, I think we always talk about whether we would do basketball or like soccer with Optic, but I think we would be best at baseball. Like, or,

yeah. I think, I think. Well, basketball, there's too much room for injury. Yeah. Like, when I was going to break an ankle or some bullshit? Also, it's just like, like, like, like, football.

Like, I can't break. my arm. Black football. That would be catastrophic. We can't do something where I could break my arm. You did already at the fucking one, two, three, five. Remember you broke your shit at one, two, three, five? Oh no, no, it was your shoulder. Yeah, it was my shoulder. What a day. He was with me.

What a day. It was me and you, right? Yeah, I was on the phone with his mom, like, and I just, like, just became friends with Seth, so I'm like, I'm, like, I just broke, the best player in the world's arm. I got after this guy now. He's doing it on a boosterboard, just...

Is that the remote control one? Dude, we were flying. Those things were fucking fat. We were flying, and it was pitch black. He's standing next to Will going, does it look broken and Will's behind him? And he looks at me like... I don't know if it was broken.

I think it was just dislocated, right? Something like that. Something was wrong, man. It's still like uneven. Is it? Yeah. Yeah, it says one. It was one of my best vlogs, though.

It popped. Yeah. I flogged it like a fucking asshole. Dude, I can't believe. I can't believe the syndicate caught Mike falling off his motorcycle. That's crazy. That's, it's crazy what you can catch when you're fucking,

you got your camera on you at all times. So I think, where are we at, Matt? Let's talk about Call of Duty really quickly. Okay, got you. So Call of Duty 2024 and 2025 release. Rumored to follow the same format as MW2 slash MW3 progression. 2025 will include a B02 remastered M2 remastered maps rumor.

Can we click on that rumor please? I'm confused what it means by following that progression. I think in the same maps. I think in the same way that like MW3 is just MW2 maps. They're saying the next track game will just be blockups two maps. But what engine? But with a, Yeah, the engine matters, man.

with a modern engine. Oh, so it's like MW3 this year, B-O-2 the next year, but with like different weapons, different like mechanics. But most likely the same. I mean, what the fuck? They're just, are they just giving up? They're trying whatever works. I'm actually curious.

I mean, I'm not too opposed. That's the thing is like, it'll be cool, but like, are they just giving up? Let's just keep, let's just throw out those maps and just add new mechanics. mechanics on our new engine. So next, so I'm playing MW2,

but MW2, or MW2 maps but MW3 engine. Yep. And then the year after that, MW3. So MW2 maps are gonna have doors?

Yep. Yeah. And then the B02 and then B02 will be next year. So they're just going to release all the B2 maps and on the current engine. Maybe it'll be like Black Ops

Cold War II, but it'll all be Blackups two maps. It should just be cool. That could work. Cold War II. I wouldn't mind Cold War II. I would like Cold War, man.

Dude, I had like 70 days played on that. I mean, Black Ops 1 was asked But Blockups 2 was amazing I love the Blackups 1 Is this not concerning now? Is this not concerning? Is this not concerning to any of you?

They're just re-releasing maps like Here's the thing I've said it a million times So people are sick of me saying it I have zero faith in new maps Zero faith Yeah well I'm not gonna lie When you put it in the

That's fair When you said So like if they give me old maps I forgot what he said Oh yeah Run it What you were like What map has came out recently

where it like trumps the fucking. Yeah. What is a legendary? That was what I asked the last podcast. What's a legendary map that has come out in the last five years? And Arsenal is the only one we could think of. Or something. Zen said Berlin.

Zen said Berlin was a legendary map. That guy doesn't know what's going on. I would have said Tuscan maybe is borderline good, but like Berlin. It's a fucking dark map. You can't even see anything. I hate that. Brilliant was ass. I hate maps with the lights out.

What's he going to say next? Miami? Miami. Man, horrendous. Map was not good. No, it was not. Because you got to think, the best maps.

I kind of like Cold War were Blackups two maps. Right? Yeah. That's fair. And it's like... See, when you put it like that, I'm actually okay with it.

That's how I feel. Standoff and Raid in Cold War were like actually fun as fuck to play. Yeah, Express. I mean, Express. I love that. I played Express and... search so but I mean yeah still like and then like whenever you go back and play cold war like slums is in it now and slums pubs is a lot of fucking fun there's just put it like that it could be good

that's kind of how I feel about because I mean modern warfare remember remember monorfer like the last cod that just came out dog it dropped with four maps or some shit oh that's horrible it dropped with six maps and two of them didn't work one beach map what which game the last map the last game um w w w two Yeah, MW2. That game was shite. Like, it, it dropped with, like, what, like eight maps. One of them was the highway map, so that's just a troll.

It's a troll map with the fucking tires to the right, broken building to the left, then had the middle where it was like squares. It looked like a fucking laser tag room. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that one. But, like, that's kind of how I feel is like now at least. On the left? The what? Tires far right and go to the back, jump on the roof.

roof in the back. Everything is breakable. Oh, Farm 46 or whatever. Yeah, I think. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That map.

Or whatever the fuck, Farm 86. I don't know. Do you remember that one map where every wall was breakable? Oh, Farm 18. It's not even close. Farm 46. Oh, shit. I was thinking of a whole different game.

Greenberg. I mean, Breenberg was good. Embassy was pretty solid. Mercado was solid. I mean, Marcato was, nah, never mind. Take that back. Mercado was okay. But there was a couple decent maps.

Breenberg, I would say Breenberg and Embassy were both like good maps. Crown Raceway. I like Toltele a lot. Crown Race, so he was dope too, but. No, didn't they, it was in the beta, wasn't it? And then they took it out. The copyright shit or trademark bullshit, whatever it was. Yeah, oh, dude.

I think that, I think that would have been sick to play that. We played that map in my birthday tournament, the bot bash to you? And then they started I'm sorry, go ahead I just got real and then they started releasing the horseshit black gold

would you had night vision Pellio's lighthouse it was a torrential down for lightning storm in pitch darkness on a state right? The map was a state

the mansion was the estate mansion was the estate mansion Albaron Hatchery I mean that map wasn't that bad that map was okay but yeah what I'm saying is next year we're going in knowing that we have high-rise scrapyard terminal with doors it doesn't matter okay the fact that you say that I'm looking at it in a different light yeah that's kind of how I feel because they gave us Albertan hatchery

like imagine if monorfer two had dropped with fucking strike or it dropped with crash you know that's kind of like I didn't like monoroverover for 19 at all. I didn't mind that game. But like I liked the fact that I could play crash and vacant and you know these maps that I just liked a lot. Yeah.

So I don't know. I like it and I think if it's a if it's a triarch engine. Crash wage, crash wagers. If it's a tray arc engine next year. It was doing numbers too. People are on that shit. Right. And that's just the whole last game. Yeah. Yeah. No, literally.

They just re-released the whole game. Yeah. Just turn some settings up on it. This game, MW3 might actually be good now I'm thinking about it. Dude, the kickoff tournaments are going to be fire. Cold War was so much fun on those old school maps. It's 150 health, dead silence, all those new maps. Red dots. The gunplay better beat.

Apparently it's faster movement too. Wait, did you play this game already, so? The new one, no, no, not yet. Like, you're not just saying that? You actually haven't? No, I haven't played. All right. Only some people have played it.

Did you get invited to the next, whatever, the reveal? Yeah, yeah. That's what we were talking about. Yeah, I'm going to that. So we'll be there. Yep. So I'm, I actually like, a lot of people don't like the old maps coming back. I actually do not mind it.

I kind of like it. I think if the next year, the Trajerk year, if it releases with a mixture between, Black Ups 1, Black Ups 2 maps. Like, if it releases with firing range, slums, like raid, standoff, I mean, that's a... That would be insane.

Like, I think the days of like asking for new maps, for a whole list of new maps every single year is just absurd. No other game does that. No other game on the planet does that. Yeah, that's a good point. Halo re-releases the same maps

because they're the best. CounterStrike re-releases the same maps Like MoBas and shit They only use one map So why are we putting That much like pressure on the devs To release maps that they consistently can't Like keep up with

I just think We already have 10 years Of maps to pick from Let's just pick the best ones That's how I feel You're speaking some real ass shit right now Right? You can convince

Shabism Like that You convince me dream team build oh shit yeah this is a wait pam since since Seth and and Bose are playing in the blackups two invitational

Zinny's $2 that's insane you have to this will be the last thing you got to build your dream black ops two team with 15 bucks with 15 bucks shit okay Zinnies two

Zinnies a tunie? Damn Bose is three Is that you, Bose? That is you. Boz is three? What's kind of disrespect? I didn't make this. Who made this?

Yeah, Shots, he's down five in, like, are you saying that boy's tripe? You might be a few quarters. A few quarters. Yeah, we'll see. You better be talking like that. We're on the stage. I think, I mean,

I mean, you're going to get Damon for eight. Oh, got to get Damon for eight. I'm not going to get Damon for eight. I'm not going to say Seth, he's right there though he can't afford you anymore whatever sorry weird excuse weird excuse I don't buy it

nobody had owned it it's weird nameless because I'm gonna get nameless and I'm gonna get Bose that's 13 so you got 13 13 or Donnie please take attach

I'm doing it or Donnie yeah no I'm getting attached attach attach yeah damn sorry Zinn because I know I know Bose fucks with Damon and attach. I just like attach a lot. World champ as well.

What's did I say? Nameless. Nameless. Oh yeah, nameless. You guys smoked complexity that one time. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

That's good team. That's my squad. We did. What about you, Seth? I mean, I'm picking me all day, every day. Me, Bose. Oh, dude, I can't take Kila, too. That's 11 bucks.

I mean, dude, $8 is steep, bro. I'm not picking me. I'm not picking me. You're not picking you. No, I'm not picking me. Imagine. Made shot. Oh, shit.

Bow's killer. What am I at? 11. 11. Now what do I do? Do I have a coach? You get another $3 or $2? All right.

Attach and then Zini coaching the team. Ooh. Kind of calls with Zini. $8 is steep for one of us. $8 is steep. But, I mean, that is the Rushmore. So. Imagine this is essential.

I hate the TV as an angle. I can't see shit. I'm excited for that to get tweeted. I think that's about a... Has that already been tweeted or now? Looks like it's on Twitter. Oh, it's on his DMs, I think. Yeah, so I think they're going to tweet that pretty soon.

And how does your shit say Twitter still, not X? Damn. Also, why are you... The URL is still Twitter. Why are you not on night mode? I don't use night mode. Wait, Seth. How much you've been getting from a...

from Elon on Twitter. 50 bucks for me. $58. I got like a 26 bomb. I don't tweet so. $26. Really? Really?

So I have much. I saw KSI made $1,500. And when he told me that there, I had lost hope. Yeah. There is no favorite. If KSI is making $1,500, we're good. They're going to start spamming some more ads, man. Come on Elon.

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