OpTic Podcast - REACTING TO NADESHOTS $250,000 SUBATHON LEAK 🤯 | The OpTic Podcast Ep. 200

Episode Date: November 14, 2024

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to episode 200 of the Optics podcast. But we've done way more than that because I don't think that we picked it up from the house. Dude, you know that's crazy? I was doing the Pine Park after dark. You guys should go check out. I was me, Tim, and Eric. Smoking that chronic? We're smoking that tall weed, dude, tall.
Starting point is 00:00:26 But in it, I mean, obviously, like, I was in the middle of it. It's like middle of the podcast. You know, by the middle of the podcast, you just start to really get a little fady, right? You've been smoking for a while at that point? Yeah, at that point you're like an hour in. You're like, whatever. And, you know, they're professional smokers, so I have to. Yeah, it starts fading away.
Starting point is 00:00:43 No, it's the fuck out of it. I take one hit and have a panic attack. No, but I did, I did merge in a conversation about interstellar. I merged Interstellar with the arrival in a conversation that I had. That's why that's on your Apple. I was like, I keep seeing that. Arrival. No.
Starting point is 00:01:02 Have you watched your recent? No. Oh, dude, the world's crazy. I literally have been seeing that so much. It's like so many coincidences. Anyway, I was fucking in the middle of it. And then they brought up my channel and I saw that I made 1800 videos. And I'm like, 1800 videos.
Starting point is 00:01:18 That is a lot of videos. Damn. 1800. And this is not including all the optics stuff that I've been in, not of the podcast that I've been in, not my secondary channel that I've done. 1800. It's crazy. Why 1800? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:30 How many of the Seth have? More, right? because you've definitely uploaded consistently way more than me because I quit at one point I think I'm over 2K damn that's insane I gotta catch up
Starting point is 00:01:39 I'm not doing my part but I don't know what it was about that but anyway 200 episodes of the Optic podcast Oh my God I'm almost at 3K Oh my God Seth
Starting point is 00:01:51 that's work dude Holy fuck 724, 415 million wait 7204 million 415 thousand six hundred eighty four views even a bill we're close to a billy a billion views dude we yeah that's that's what's up matt go to mind and again please i want to see how many views i got i wonder if i ever hit half a billion ours no no we're not going to look up the the you guys
Starting point is 00:02:20 don't worry uh 1800 167 million views 167 million dude you are fucking half a billy unbelievable i'm a volume shooter you know what i'm saying I'm a volume shooter. That's good work. That's not including all my videos on Machinima. I'm definitely at a billion views. Damn, man, you've been doing this thing, huh? I bet we've been doing this thing.
Starting point is 00:02:42 Talk to him. Join March 25th, 2006. Damn, 2006. I wonder when I made my account. I was 2000. I was 26 years old. Probably. Whenever it was all like Fred videos,
Starting point is 00:02:56 hey guys, it's Fred. You're nice. Can I have your number? Can I have it? You like Meg and I? Remember that video? in the movie theater that like I mean to be fair 11 million views
Starting point is 00:03:07 is a lot of views 520 videos 2012 late to the game listen that that's a colossal fuck up at my end do you regret it I had like 50K subs when I was 15 and I just started smoking weed every day
Starting point is 00:03:21 doing nothing like a dumb ass well the choices we make it's one of the regrets in my life choices we make that cry man that sweet sweet chronic well it's different you're eating fried Oreos and shit.
Starting point is 00:03:33 Yeah. You're making them at night. I was making them at night. Uh, yes, yes, ladies and gentlemen, I am wearing straight to feet the,
Starting point is 00:03:41 the, the, the Nike dunk by Wu-Tang Clan official. I'm with straight-to-feed. Got them in yesterday? Straight-to-feet. Ain't nothing to fuck with. Wut-Tlan are not.
Starting point is 00:03:52 I'm wearing my 1993 so super beat-up Wu-Tang shirt. When did the Optic podcast start? This is episode 200. How long? Matt, look up the Optic.
Starting point is 00:04:02 Optic Hour. That was the first one? Yeah, the Optic Hour was what I named it. It was me, Diesel, Ashley, 14 years ago. 14 years ago? Wait, who uploaded that? But look at, look how, whoever uploaded this
Starting point is 00:04:20 should have been fired right there and then. Matt, go in there and fucking edit that. Is this a video of them advertising another video? I think so, yeah. That's next level. Optic Hour available now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 14 years ago
Starting point is 00:04:33 Yeah Matt I want to see What my channel was Matt can you Edit the video And then Matt before you Fucking leave
Starting point is 00:04:39 Edit the video And put the capital T On the optic What are you doing Literally called it out Oh yeah That's fine That's insanity
Starting point is 00:04:46 What the fuck That's my man Paul Remember Paul All the people Uh somewhat Yeah The name is familiar All right
Starting point is 00:04:56 What were you asking Zend I think I was When the first episode was Oh yeah How long it's been around. I'm in that fucking Sherpa right now. 2012.
Starting point is 00:05:06 68, 1,400 videos? That's a lot of fucking videos. Let's go, Mark. Wait, you have 1,400 videos? 1,400 videos, bro. Okay, me more. 68 million views. That's numbers, yo.
Starting point is 00:05:20 I wasn't familiar with your game. Dude. Dude, you weren't even trying to look at that shit. Imagine if you tried. That was MW3, 2012. A lot of more. Fair of three. Good times.
Starting point is 00:05:33 That sounds all right. And 16 years ago today, World at War was released. Isn't that crazy? 16 years ago. Still one of my favorite games off. I remember. Bro, Banks just got that tattooed on him because that was his first Call of Duty. I remember vividly, like, just sitting in class.
Starting point is 00:05:47 And, like, this is when, like, it was just, this wasn't a thing. It was just pubs and, like, GBs. I would just sit in school for eight hours a day, and the only thing I'd think about is Call of Duty. Oh. And then, like, a new map pack would come out. And the whole day, I'd be begging to go. Everyone get off the bus.
Starting point is 00:06:03 I'm jogging home. You were jogging. You knew you wanted to fucking play that shit. Oh, yeah. You knew. First, I'd pre, like, think, like, is there any way I could not go to school tomorrow? Yep. Oh, I'd always get out.
Starting point is 00:06:12 I'd be doing anything. I try. I think your mom was, like, super understanding, though. She'd be like, yeah, of course, baby here, have some soup. No, my mom was, my mom was like, if I was home sick, like, I'd have a cough. I'm like, obviously, I can't go to school. I don't want to get kids sick, and I'll be gaming. She's like, oh, you can't go to school, but you can play video games?
Starting point is 00:06:30 I'm like, I got a fucking cough. I'm not paralyzed. What are you talking about? Yeah, my mom never let me get away with nothing or my dad. I literally could be like, look, I'm literally bleeding. They'd be like faking it. Fuck to school. Yeah, no.
Starting point is 00:06:45 Problem maker, malandro. My mom wouldn't let me take off a lot. Yeah, right. I was the worst. Jude's mom, Jude's mom, to all of her kids, just let them get away with murder. If Leo said, if Leo said, Leo folks, if Leo folks was like, oh man my hair hurts
Starting point is 00:07:01 she'd be like oh you can stay so optic texas played second in kaysan showdown what time was the finals at I quit at like 3 a.m we got off at 4.30 a.m. I think so you guys stayed on the whole time? Damn right you guys are
Starting point is 00:07:16 about your fucking grind it was 14 and a half hour stream that day that was on Saturday a long it's a long one especially you with your can you tell us how it happened we'll come back to the tournament Kaysan's tournament
Starting point is 00:07:31 but what happened how did you get the well with my hand yeah I wasn't playing in it so that's that's I was like I was telling my stream I was like this is fucking awesome because like I can't really play for long
Starting point is 00:07:41 I mean I can definitely play right now yeah but it hurts and like it's annoying to play for a long period of time I don't know I was putting up the Christmas tree I mean you can still see it It's like Was the tree real he says
Starting point is 00:07:52 No no He's putting up the tree It's still there I got fucking like red And they just hurt And they're all over over my hands and I've been trying. Now I'm at the point.
Starting point is 00:08:00 It's dust, man, dust. Well, now I'm at the point where I don't want to touch my animals. So, but yeah, it's just, I just have a rash on my hands. I've been telling my stream. Gave up on skirt steak. So no more fajita steak. No more petting pets.
Starting point is 00:08:13 No more putting up trees. What's next? Yeah, it's been a tough, it's been a tough couple months for me, health-wise. It must be getting older. You just made a glass, dude. Tell me why your hair looks like James's, right? Like James Sellers's hair?
Starting point is 00:08:23 Yeah. Yeah. Similar? Dude, so you're going to let it grow for a while before you get a fade? No, I'm probably get one soon. Yeah, it looks good, man. I think it's at the length now where I can finally get one. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:33 But yeah, so this I was all about, I was like, I can't really play the game right now, so I'm going to stay on through this whole fucking thing. I ain't going to, I can't really stream. I'm about to watch this whole thing until the wheels fall off. But for the record, you would have definitely competed in this if had you been given the opportunity to. What do you mean? This? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:50 No, I wouldn't have been able to. It's only four pro teams. Oh. Yeah, this is just pros. No, but I'm saying just in general. Like if like for example yesterday or day before we had a tournament Oh yeah Oh yeah I mean yeah I've been telling my stream
Starting point is 00:09:04 They're like why aren't you playing in the creator tourneys I'm like I literally can't Not because of my hands different reasons but yeah Literally can't so yeah That's neither here or there Neither here nor there But I can watch so I've been watching all the tournaments which Did you watch me play at all?
Starting point is 00:09:21 You didn't put the camera on me I wasn't live that day But I did watch you guys a little bit This motherfucker wasn't even trying to I know he wasn't. He's making jokes. He's like, oh,
Starting point is 00:09:30 you got me. I would have been like, yo, Hector, lock the fuck in. I was going to be 15 per. Bro, look, bro.
Starting point is 00:09:36 So Matt was in the clutch, right? And he's, you know, Matt, he locks him. He's in the clutch. He's quiet.
Starting point is 00:09:42 This motherfucker made it the wrong bomb and then got killed. He was like, oh, dude. I saw that. On rewind, right?
Starting point is 00:09:48 I was like, I shook my head too. I'm like, I was shit. I'm like, back to back Bumby 1st. How? First ever game of Call duty
Starting point is 00:09:56 was just slamming him. I was getting so high. Dude, first of all, Hal was gross. Like gross, gross, gross? And he was raging too. He's like, shut the fuck up. I'm trying to sound like.
Starting point is 00:10:05 He was hilarious. Imperial Hell. Oh, yeah, no, he was decent. Daltush was the worst. How was him and Tush together? Hush was awful. I thought Tush was going to be the best. Tush had no ears.
Starting point is 00:10:15 I was like, Tush, rap bomb. He just concrete. I'm like, brother, I need you to move that bomb. He's like, I don't got ninja. I'm like, brother, can you switch your damn glass? Dude, I can't get behind. behind that to switch your class shit. It's like every fucking game.
Starting point is 00:10:30 Like I get it like it should have been second nature by like the 13th time that I get in there. But Nate got mad in the end, right? He's like, dude, I've never witnessed something like this when you have to constantly tell somebody to fucking switch their fucking. And I'm like, my bad. In some other cases, it was fucking maniac. But now playing with Matt's hilarious, man. Huh? He'll randomness be like, fuck.
Starting point is 00:10:51 Like he's dead serious. Just screams top of his lungs. Matt. Matt. He's funny. He's fucking that shit like this. Dude, I ran into him yesterday outside. He was on a walk and I'm like, what's up, man?
Starting point is 00:11:02 He's like, yeah, man, I'm proud of you, man, you did all right? I was like, fuck you. No, I did it. He's like, I'm like, are you talking shit still? Like, get over that shit. So I hadn't played the game. I was traveling, dude. No, it's not all right.
Starting point is 00:11:14 I felt really bad about it personally. Because I never thought I'd see the day where I couldn't hold my own. At the very least hold my own. You weren't even holding your own? No. Oh, no. There was like, there was flashes of my jeal. genius of course.
Starting point is 00:11:27 Well, Hex had on like the, I don't even know, the kit to the Amez. It was like a different. I just used some crazy like a conversion. Yeah. Or like it just, oh yeah, I picked it up and I was like, who the fuck's using this? Dude, I swear to God, that's not my gimmick. You know what I'm saying? Like I like my shit plain, plain Jane.
Starting point is 00:11:46 I don't like all the fancy shit. So, you know, there's no mystery to people is that I don't have as much disposable time as I have disposable income. So I pay somebody in my household. I pay somebody in my household to rank up my weapons. I do that shit the next two days because we got war zone dropping. And we have a fun stream on Thursday. You're in that shit. Anyway, what I was getting is that I don't have time to unlock shit.
Starting point is 00:12:10 On Thursday when war zone drops? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're doing like a fun little stream from here, war zone drop day. All of us are coming here and we're doing like a... That's three informal. Yeah, that's three informal. Hopefully it's quads. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:12:22 I hope it's quads too. Because I don't know, rebirth isn't always quads. The map is fun, though. I'm assuming they're going to have quads just because it's day one. Like, there's no way they don't have quads. They should have every single, like, mode. That's going to be fun. It's got to be.
Starting point is 00:12:36 Yeah, but that's Thursday. I have no guns ranked up. I haven't been able to play. Dude. I literally have to rank up all my guns next two days. Actually, I had to have somebody do that for you. I got to do LMGs, A.Rs. I got to get my, I'm only like a level 20 right now.
Starting point is 00:12:50 I'm assuming I'm going to have to hit like 55. So I got some, I got a grind. The thing is this, right? Like, I know, okay, for the fact, like, if I let somebody, I can recover my account somewhere else and rank it up, that's an issue, right? No, you can, but I mean, I just don't. The reason I say this is because I'm like, I'm like, yo, if there's an unlock thing that I can pay to unlock all my, at least the weapons that I use, like, let me use that. I don't have time to fucking. It's technically like not allowed for you to account share, I think.
Starting point is 00:13:20 Or actually, I don't know. Is there, is there anything about account share? Matt, what's the deal behind that? No idea. I think you can, but I just typically don't. Matt, I'll just do it myself. Em Matt Craig has been ranking up my weapons for the past five fucking years, okay? That boy, Matt Craig.
Starting point is 00:13:33 That boy, Matt Craig. So if you guys are going to ban somebody from Call Duty, ban Matt Craig. This map is cool, though, because, like, this map tells the story of how Newtown was built. That's, like, the whole thing. So, like, each part of the map, you could, like, this is how, this is the mannequin factory. This is where the mannequins were built that were placed around Newtown. This is the reactor. Like, that's why the map is so, I think it flows well.
Starting point is 00:13:58 Area 99. Something like that. I hope it's quads. No, it's got to be quads. I don't, again. It was trios in D.C., though. It was me and Kenny. We won five or a, of course.
Starting point is 00:14:08 I will say, though. I thought it was dope. Same as last year. Same as last year, like, this game is really good. I like, I really like last year's game. I really like this year's game. Oh, this shit is about to be so much fun. Because, like, it's like, it's like the perfect.
Starting point is 00:14:23 roadmap right now because like we have we have this dropping on Thursday and then following Thursday we get ranked so it's like we get this to like fuck around with for a week and then next Thursday we get ranked play and then that's do you have 50 wins in pubs right now probably right dude I'm gonna be playing pubs like the next two days so I'm gonna be ready because I think we need it for rank play 50 wins yeah 50 wins to get to qualify for rank play you should let me host a lobby and then come in my fucking lobbies you know what I'm saying it's not gonna make a difference bro I'm scump. I mean, it's just a matter of time at that point.
Starting point is 00:14:57 Surely, it's going to take, you know, like skill-based matchmaking. We got to make sure. I'm telling you, you got to put somebody in charge of ranking your shit up while you sleep. Probably barracks or something. I mean, why not? I just do it and stream it. Yeah. That's actually good, I got to do all that.
Starting point is 00:15:10 Yeah, do that shit. I'm going to do the LMGs and I'm going to make sure I got the wins. I felt embarrassed to how bad I did. Just in case, because you never know what's going to be good. Like, what if the Tantos the best sub? You know what I'm saying? Like you never know what's going to be going to be too. That's the funny part.
Starting point is 00:15:26 So I got to do all the subs. I'm going to rank up the Amez and the Jackal. I'm going to go with like the two guns we use because surely. No, dude, what's that AEK gun, the burst gun that's fucking insane in pubs called like the AEK? I was what Matt uses. I know you're talking about. That gun, that might be meta. No bullshit.
Starting point is 00:15:44 It's fucking insane. The three gun burst? Yeah, but if you put rapid fire on it, I think it's like almost, it's close to 100% of like close to 100% increase. So like dude, the thing just shoots so fast and at one burst. It's insane. I know what you're talking about. The A.EK. I'm going to have to fucking do that. This KSan tournament though, what do we think?
Starting point is 00:16:07 I feel bad for KSON because like essentially the game is broken and all the delays were nobody's fault that were actually there. I mean the game is just broken. So Kodcast is broken. Starting lobbies is broken. And they finally got, they finally figured it out at like 2 a.m. when we were already there for 12 hours, but the ending was pretty smooth. It was just so late.
Starting point is 00:16:27 What was the problem the whole time? Just they couldn't start the game. The codcaster was bugging. They couldn't get the game to start because the rules kept resetting every single time they went to start it. So there were just like hours of delays. Like I remember we were...
Starting point is 00:16:42 It took 14 and a half hours for a 14 tournament. We were seven hours in and they played five maps. But it was still like it was awesome tournament. I think the production was very good. It was at the same place we did the founders land. I thought it was good. Kaysan did what he could and it was fun to watch. Thieves took it home.
Starting point is 00:17:00 We played second. I think people are already overreacting. No. What are they saying? What are they saying? What do you think they're saying? Of course, it's just... I don't think anyone was overreacting.
Starting point is 00:17:10 People say thieves better, optic better. It's just a whole... The same conversation we're probably going to hear all year. It was a preseason exhibition like land basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Most of these teams haven't... Well, we haven't really even scrimmed that much. But I'm assuming
Starting point is 00:17:22 Today, today's the first day I'm assuming most of these teams really haven't scrimmed that much So, Well, Cloud 9, who placed last Apparently had like Way more reps than everybody here Which is crazy
Starting point is 00:17:33 I saw Kaysan in the Kaysanat Celebration when he Yeah I was like, wait is that fucking Kaysan He's from that squad? Yeah, Kaysan hangs out with that Yeah, good people Kaysan Yeah, it was a cool tournament to watch
Starting point is 00:17:47 Shots out Kaysan for even getting it I'm assuming I mean, everyone's just saying how many people he had to convince to allow this. Because usually it's like spin the wheel tournaments, like two people from each team pair up. This was like straight up like a preseason exhibition
Starting point is 00:18:02 to show us what's in store for the year. And I'm not going to lie. The game wasn't really that fun to watch during like the 2V2 tournaments just because like it's like different pairings. It's just not as interesting to watch in my opinion as like full teams, obviously. This shit was fun to watch.
Starting point is 00:18:19 Like I think we're in for a good year. competitive. Hacienda, I think so to help a lot. I can't wait for Hacienda. I think it's instantly going to become the best competitive map in the game. Yeah, it's going to be a good year. Yeah, I can't wait for that.
Starting point is 00:18:32 The only thing I don't like is that right now, the rumors that the league starts in December and the first events in February. So it's just a lot of downtime between the start of the league and then the February launch. And also the league... Isn't that how it always is, though? It's usually like the game comes out.
Starting point is 00:18:49 Correct, but it's not how it should be. Because when we have the influx of viewership, there should be an event to try and keep people involved. Instead, you lose the eyes and then you host the tournament. Like, I think, I think we should have a major in fucking the end of December. And rank plays dropping hella early this year. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, but I'm just worried that it like, that, that boom that we always get from rank play, like, we're going to get it early now. And hopefully it doesn't, like, trail off.
Starting point is 00:19:14 Software in the end? Yeah. I don't, I don't even know what I can talk about or not talk about. I don't know. I think it's good. I'm glad that they let them play ahead of the thing. The other thing is like, obviously, since it's not the same rules as the original CDL, I think it's a little bit different. You're allowed to compete with your same team as long as it's not on the actual CDL team that you're playing on.
Starting point is 00:19:40 I think that's why they allowed it this year. But yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited for the years to come. I do like the game. I love the way it feels. It looks. It's good. I had a fun playing in that tournament.
Starting point is 00:19:50 and I look forward to playing more. I can't, I was embarrassed, man. I can't suck at Call of Duty, man. I just can't wait for rank play, bro. Because, again, I haven't made able to play these tournaments and shit. So it's like, rank play will finally get to play with the boys too. Like, rank play is just so much fun. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:09 So, Zinnie, before we started, you were telling me if I would, you were asking me if I would take the $60 million. Yeah. So explain that to me. What is the offer and what are the deal points essentially? So what Kai said, and I think this is exactly what he said, Kik before his first sub-a-thon, like the day before it called him, and they were like, we'll give you $60 million to stream half of it on Kik,
Starting point is 00:20:31 and then I think announce you're going to kick after it. Yeah, see, Kai revealed they offered him $60 million to stream his first sub-athon there, and then he would have to join Kik. What would you do? $60 million is a crazy number. I would have said, where do I sign? 60 million. 60 million.
Starting point is 00:20:49 I would just kept it real. Are you kidding me? They were for me 60 million in chat. Do I sign this shit or no? Are y'all cool? They would have even said yes. I know. They would have been like, hell yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:59 So the argument some people are making is like, would Kai still get the same deals like McDonald's Nike if he went to kick? Because I do think kick comes with a certain reputation that I think kind of scares people away. That is the platform. You can put a good person in the worst situation. The person's still the thing. And what he brings to that is maybe maybe. kick is working. I'm not I don't know anybody at kick. I don't even know I don't even know I've never
Starting point is 00:21:24 been to kick as a platform. How about that? Right. So but if they are trying to sort of guide the conversation towards them not just being known as the bad kids in the as you're saying. Yeah. I think that you know moving somebody along like this to sort of flip the script or the of the reputation I think is definitely feasible to do the way I think like Twitch isn't doing deals anymore I don't think but in my head there's no way there's no deal with Kai behind the scenes. I'm like how do you, if you're Twitch, how do you not retain this guy? This guy's averaging 150,000 viewers. He gets upwards of 300K, 400K, he's bringing in guests like Kevin Hart, John Stee,
Starting point is 00:21:58 and they're like, he's putting Twitch. Like, Twitch has always been the streaming platform, but he's elevating it to like a whole entirely different world. Like, it's not even just a guy behind a camera anymore. You saw the behind the scenes? Yeah, it's insane. He's got a whole team and then people are- Like an MLG event. It looks like the MLG event, dude.
Starting point is 00:22:13 Well, people are arguing like, this isn't even streaming anymore, but it's like he started the same way as. is what we do, right? Like, I'm at home. Who's saying that it isn't even streaming? People are saying that regular streamers can't compete with him anymore. Why?
Starting point is 00:22:27 Because of his production value. Which I'm like... But he started where we started. You know what I mean? Like, you can't fault the guy for fucking upping his production tenfold like any of us would do if you reach that level.
Starting point is 00:22:38 I don't know if I would up my production level that much if I was there. Like, I certainly didn't up... I tried hiring Matt to do my vlog to record it and edit it, and in the end it just didn't work for me. So I don't think that that applies to everyone,
Starting point is 00:22:52 but people should be happy at the fact that, you know, all that money that he's making, majority of it, because this is not cheap. If you count the amount of people that are there, like those are full-time job employees. They got catering. They got catering, of course.
Starting point is 00:23:07 This is an MLG event. Also, all the revenue he makes from this stream, he's giving 20% of it is going to building a school in Nigeria, I think. Which people still find a way to complain about. Yeah, yeah. They're like, oh, you chose this area instead of this. And there's always something that people will say, but what he's doing is awesome. The one thing I think he's a fucking psycho for is he tweeted Elon Musk the day saying,
Starting point is 00:23:26 I want to be the first person to stream from space. Yeah. I would never go to space. You'd never go to space? Never, no. I have no want to go to space. Why? What if it was like 100% safe?
Starting point is 00:23:35 I don't trust it because my shit would go down. I know for a fact I'm not making it back. Dude, I'm going to tell you something. You're just floating in space? You're the spaceman. Yeah. As a person that has bungee jumped and skydived, I would totally go to space. Hell yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:48 I would do neither of those. You go to space? Would you go to space? I know you're not going to space. No, Seth wouldn't even go to fucking Tampa. I don't do helicopters. I don't know. Matt is out of his mind.
Starting point is 00:23:58 I was like, I'm on the pod. He's texted me. I was like, I'm on the podcast writing. He's like, give me a shout out if you care. Ha, prove it. Ha. I'm like, dude, relax. Like, what is?
Starting point is 00:24:07 This guy's out of his mind. Hey, Elon, I would like to be the first streamer to stream and say, yo, chat, from space. I believe you are the only person that can help me achieve this goal. Let's make history. Yeah It's just going to happen too Yeah 100%
Starting point is 00:24:20 It's a simulation man Whatever you want to do You're going to do Go down a little bit Go down a little bit Power Power GPU Let us join you
Starting point is 00:24:30 This historic moment And give away PCs from space Uh grinding Yeah love it Oh man He had Serena Williams On with him last night
Starting point is 00:24:41 Damn I saw That's a legend right there I submitted up on my Twitter for you page last night And I saw like the senior marketing guy from McDonald's talking about it. He was like one of the things for our,
Starting point is 00:24:52 our deal with Kai is we promised to bring on cool guests. So they got him John Cena, I Carly, and now Serena Williams. That's a really cool partnership because McDonald's like helping bring people into the world. He named Miranda Cosgrove. His exact words were Icarly, so that's why I said that. But he had good luck Charlie on.
Starting point is 00:25:11 He's just a different... What's good luck Charlie? It's the Disney show. Oh, really? Yeah, remember that Disney show? Good luck, Charlie, with the kid, the little blonde girl. Yeah, that was a show. I don't really remember.
Starting point is 00:25:22 He had the cast of that on. It's, the way I describe Kai is it's like, it's must watch reality TV at all times. Yeah. Like, you can tune in every time and you never know what you're going to see. You see Coyote Peterson dumping roaches on his head with snakes in the room. The next hour, Ksondon there were marshmallow. It's just. Yeah, that was fire.
Starting point is 00:25:44 a marshmallow gifted him two custom like marshmallow heads one was like Matt Black and one he like signed with like yeah that's fire I'm like yo that shit was lucky fire he's 11 days in he has 19 days left and he already shattered the record he's on pace
Starting point is 00:25:59 for one million subscribers if he hits one million subscribers I don't that is like the craziest shit in the world If he hits a million that's fucking crazy Is this going on right now Matt He's gonna He's gonna
Starting point is 00:26:11 It's hilarious who thinks it is Whoa, whoa. This is the guy on TikTok. He's like the NPC TikTok guy. And if you go on TikTok, all he does is sit there and like, thanks for the rose. Thanks for the money. And while Kai is sleeping, he just has this kid doing this the entire time. That's Kai right here sleeping.
Starting point is 00:26:28 Kai's sleeping behind him. What, how do you fucking even sleep? And if you give 10 bubbles blow on Kai, if you 25, like the room shakes, 50 is a horn and 100th society. Is that one of the bubbles? This guy's doing drum. No, no, no, it's actual bubble. How is that? That's the actual level.
Starting point is 00:26:46 Who's that in the background? I guess that's the drum guy. Yeah, if you gift the 100 subs, he starts playing the drums. This shit is hilarious, man. Wait, so I'm not, that's going to be the surprise. How does he sleep? He just doesn't? He got used to, like, he's just accustomed to go crazy.
Starting point is 00:27:02 He's got to be awake. He's not awake. There's no way. What? What the funny thing is, is chat's cool enough to where they, they would come together and be like, nah, let them sleep, let them sleep. Yeah. Like, you know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:27:14 That's what's cool. So, 85,000 people right now. That's insane. 85,000 people. Oh, I can't imagine. Oh, I can't imagine. Yeah, listen, I think this is one of the most interesting things like we're seeing unfold before us, right? Like, obviously, I was watching the Colin and Samir show where they talk about how this election was won.
Starting point is 00:27:42 because of podcasting and that one of them, I think it's Colin. Colin said that he never understood, he never, he kind of got it, but he never truly understood the power of media as a stance or new media as it stands today. It's insane. 124 million views in podcasts Trump got versus Kamala who only got four million views. And not to compare, but when you are someone who is trying to get a specific group of, of of people to activate to go do something at the polls. Like this dude.
Starting point is 00:28:14 Bro, crypto has been going crazy. I didn't get the Bitcoin and I'm losing my mind. Oh, it's been going. Wait, what you say? I didn't get into Bitcoin and I'm losing my mind. Oh, not I. It was at like $40,000. It's at $90,000.
Starting point is 00:28:26 $20,000. Oh, yeah. Brother. Look at that shit. 80s. I know Matt was fucking so hype. Bro, it's been going nuts. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:36 I was up to like 2 a.m. last night. Just sending off like, just sending off little ones just Bing, Bing, Bing. Just sending them off. I was telling him, I was like, I can't go to bed right now. Yeah. I was just farming.
Starting point is 00:28:51 You were buying random shit? No, just like waiting for it to dip 5% buying in, waiting for it to go back up 5% selling it. Oh wait. Just little flips. Just thing, Bing, Bing, Bing. You were nitrating.
Starting point is 00:29:01 Oh, I was going crazy in bed. I was like, it's not right now. I was like, I'm making money right now. You gave her the Heisman? Oh, so it goes down like 5% by the minute? Like, no, not by the minute. It can fluctuate like that. It would take a bit for it to like go down.
Starting point is 00:29:17 That is hilarious. I mean, dude, it's got to get to 100. No, no, no, it's not me. I'm not talking about anything. Remove what I just said. Yeah, no, it's, the whole thing's been going nuts. Just go back to the thing, Matt. Go back to our to our homepage.
Starting point is 00:29:34 The, on this 60 million to answer the question that we started with this thing. If I'm him, I don't think that I do it because he has seen what has happened with, you know, what happened with Ninja, what happened with all of them, right? I mean, you could tell that, you know, to lose momentum like that? Why? You're going to get that money regardless. Ninja flies private. Yeah. Oh, listen.
Starting point is 00:29:56 Of course. He's all right. Tyler. I mean, I take it back. If you were to look at the ninja situation, I think that that was perfectly playing. He took the bag. He ran with the bag and went back to. to Twitch in the end.
Starting point is 00:30:11 I mean... I wonder how long the kick deal was because he had to go to kick after. If it's for one year, there's no question. I'm like... That's also true. Yeah, that's also true. That's a good point. Because I don't think he wants to do that.
Starting point is 00:30:22 That's a good point. I don't think that... I don't think they would have made him gamble. Because I think if your kick, you're like, listen, this guy has to do whatever the fuck he wants to do. We can't... If we want him on our platform, it's on his terms. Like, we'd be stupid to make this guy do something
Starting point is 00:30:35 that he doesn't do already. You know what I mean? But who knows? Yeah. Good for him, though, man. That guy's a different breed. Yeah. A lot of people, when they hit that level, take their foot off the gas.
Starting point is 00:30:47 He's streaming 30 days straight and setting new records. Like, that's what you got a tip. Yeah. I mean, we have one of them right there. I know me. It's been wild few rides. Yeah, a wild ride recently. You and you and scump.
Starting point is 00:30:59 I was making a joke because you were pointing at him. What are you pointing at me? Oh, yo. I was saying, yeah, you haven't taken your foot off the gas. OG Fortnite's back. I feel like that happens once a month. Am I tripping? It's back again.
Starting point is 00:31:13 I know it's back again. Yeah, it's back for like full time December 6th. This is not a drill. Yo, it is actually crazy though. How many kids, like kids, kids still play? This is their, yo, still. This is their cod. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:31:26 A lot of people still play Fortnite that I like, no. And guess what doesn't compare to still? Yeah. And guess what's still king? Oh, geez coming back in this year's day. Of course. Minecraft is, I don't understand it. greatest game this ever been made.
Starting point is 00:31:39 It's crazy to me. Oh, what's start my, my, my sub-a-thon. Geez. Fortnite still has that many players. That is fucking insane. Three million, 24-hour peak? Damn. Call of Duty, I think I saw the other day, had like, uh...
Starting point is 00:31:57 130. No, no, like 400? Oh. Thousand. I wonder what a launch for Call-Duty looks like. Like, I wonder, like, what the first few days looked like, if it's millions or if it's just hundreds of thousands. I'm sure Matt Craig could probably pull that information up.
Starting point is 00:32:10 If he really, really wanted to. If Maddie really put his mind to it, he could get us that information. But the thing that's hard with Call of Duties, it's on so many different things. It's on Steam. It's on BattleNet. Like, it's on so many different. Like, there's so many different. I mean, so is 4.
Starting point is 00:32:24 10 cents or Call of Duty live or online, remember? I don't know if they, I don't know if they like. Count those. Yeah, I don't know if they put all that in to the same, like, to the same graph. But there's so many different platforms that it's on. Mountain Dew has always been your go-to for a refreshing citrus kick and your go-to. and your go-toe for gaming rewards. Starting in November, Mountain Dew Game Fuel is back
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Starting point is 00:38:41 fire yeah so good now fortnight does it right yeah no that's insane yeah oh g's coming back though what you say the the rap god shit where you shoot the lmg and fortnight and the lyrics are throughout every bullet i'm beginning oh that's how it is oh that's how it's sick it's so sick it's so sick it's who ever came up with that um can we talk about this nate shot leaking his Twitter, like, that was not a leak. He wanted to let, he wanted to put people on notice. The only way that you can do that, in my opinion. Is that, much?
Starting point is 00:39:16 No. The only way, I asked him last night, I was like, motherfucker, was that, I was like, did you leak it or are you trying to flex? And he was like, no, I swear. He did say he swore that he didn't, he didn't leak it on purpose. But he had this page up, so he was looking at it. But the only way. There's no reason to have this page up unless you're going to see how much you're
Starting point is 00:39:36 Megan. Yeah. Yes. That's the only way you can do this. Because if you do go into this page, it will save in your history bar as like your analytics page. It will save as this. That's the only way is if you're looking on your game on your gaming PC if you're on a dual PC setup and then you accidentally like type in Twitch and then hit like enter really quickly and it goes to this page. So because like if you want to go to this, you got to click, you got to drop down the, you know, revenue tab or you got to go to your analytic. overview like you gotta drop down that and then click it again so that's two clicks yeah and it's hard to fucking you know like so i mean i don't know he said he didn't do it on purpose do you believe him i didn't know i believe him because he saw him yesterday important i saw him yesterday and like i i i hadn't been online all day so i didn't know about it i would have asked him right there and then oh yo why you do that man that's a good month that's a good month that's a very good month. Good for him, man. 400 hours streamed. I mean, dude, subathons, see,
Starting point is 00:40:38 subathons are just a glitch. I saw, I saw, he got a lot of backlash for this and people are like, I'm demoralized by this. I do want to say he is one of very, very few that can do a sub-a-thon and find this level of success. This is not like a normal, oh, this streamer did a sub-a-bathon and made this much. Like, this is, this is over a decade of hard work. This is a point zero zero-zero-one percent thing that happened to get leaked. Like, this is not a normal at all. he was streaming. So when me and Matt,
Starting point is 00:41:06 when me and Matt went into Seths, we thought triple that. That's not true. Yeah, this is that good for him, man. So, so happy for him. Especially, obviously, he just moved to over here. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's a lot of things.
Starting point is 00:41:24 So I'm glad that this happened to my friend. I text cinema, I said, you know, dinner's on you for sure now. You told him the same thing. Oh, yeah, when's our dinner? Let's go, ASAP. Jude doesn't. We still get our congratulatory dinner for the race.
Starting point is 00:41:34 Yeah, but this is the thing, though. Catchers open it up. Like, I'm getting, I said, notifications and I'm getting notifications every day. Okay, cool. Let's go. It's got to be tomorrow night if we're going to do it. Because once war zone and shit drops, I mean, everyone's going to be one to grind that. I'm in.
Starting point is 00:41:48 It's got to be tomorrow night. Because, dude, I think about it. Warzone drops Thursday and then rank drops next Thursday. When the fuck are we going to go to dinner? I think I can make that happen. Make it happen. I can be available. I think I can make that happen as well.
Starting point is 00:41:59 This is where it becomes difficult, okay? I say, yeah, let's go out to dinner. It's easy to get blah, blah, but then they're like, all right, are we bringing the significant others. That's the other thing. My girl's working. Perfect. So I'm down.
Starting point is 00:42:12 I mean, I love to take live and Jude everywhere I go. No, sorry is. Listen. Did you stream for seven days straight? Yeah, this is our congratulatory dinner.
Starting point is 00:42:23 Yes, yes, yes, dude, you guys deserve more than that. I'm going to do two dinners. You guys. You don't want to touch my hand, but this is fantastic.
Starting point is 00:42:31 Take my strong hand. No, I want to do two dinners. You guys killed it. I would not have been able to do that. And Mark's coming. have been able to do that. Huh?
Starting point is 00:42:39 Yeah, of course. He's welcome. Of course. You're coming? First off, there's a reason why I couldn't do it. Can't just say on the podcast. You wouldn't have been able to do it. There's a reason why I didn't.
Starting point is 00:42:52 No, you wouldn't have been able to sleep there and stay here for a full week? What's the reason? I know, but like something happened. That's why he wasn't able. Yeah, something happened to me too. I went on a family vacation to Madrid. He was in Madrid. You could talk about serious shit.
Starting point is 00:43:06 He was on vacation. You know, you guys know, obviously I don't drink every night. It was tequila shots every night. Every night. Oh, I knew. When I saw 25 gifted eight stream, I said he's battered. And then he said the text. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:19 Set the text of 12 shock glasses. Actually, tomorrow night? Yeah. It's the only day we can do it. Let's the only day. I'm not setting it up. Where do you guys want to go? Where are we going?
Starting point is 00:43:28 Should we say it right here? Mr. Charles. You go to Mr. Charles? Go to Mr. Yeah, I haven't been since, I haven't been there in a while. I'm done. Jude doesn't like, yeah, Jude doesn't like going there anymore.
Starting point is 00:43:41 What time, though? Doesn't like going there anymore. Yeah, she had a bad experience. We don't know if it was the liquor or something. Cut this part because I don't want to talk shit on my favorite restaurant here in Dallas, you know. That place is so good. Yeah. What time are we going like eight?
Starting point is 00:43:57 Heat. Will we have content? I got to stream. I don't know. What time? Let's do seven. Seven is more. reasonable than eight at eight o'clock i'm already like washing my face how many how many we got one
Starting point is 00:44:12 two three four how about seven 30 five six whatever i guess i'm losing sleep over this seven 30 30 dinner that's not bad yeah it is yeah yeah but you think you would have been able to sleep in there for 24 seven i mean not would i be honest with yourself we're doing it again next year because i know that i couldn't do it and you and i are like this and i know that you would wouldn't not do it. Because I wouldn't be able to do it. I'm snoring my ass. I'm making money. I would do it. You think I want to sit there and not make paper? Like what? No, I would say the first two days were very hard to sleep. Night one no AC was miserable. That was miserable. Come on. Night one. Next year, that can't happen. Then no AC was miserable. Day two was hard. We went into day one, all of us on zero sleep. Like the first day of the game. Okay. That was choice. That was miserable. Once you get accustomed to the environment, though, it becomes easier. It wasn't. The AC was not. Oh, you couldn't sleep because of the AC.
Starting point is 00:45:11 It was hot. It was 14 PCs. Whatever. I'm getting two dinners because I couldn't, I wouldn't have been able to do it. I wouldn't be able to, I don't even know how I'll do it next year. This is fantastic. Let's do it. It's just mental, is, is a mental fortitude that I just don't have.
Starting point is 00:45:25 This is fantastic. Yes. But now, sleeping became easier as time went on. Like, towards the end, I was sleeping kind of fine. I am miserable. I would just sleep with like a rock. Like the first couple days I kept getting woken up. George and fucking TSD were.
Starting point is 00:45:38 coming through like fucking banging pans like 4 a.m. I didn't wake up to that somehow. Oh, I woke up to it. No, I couldn't do it. I got to be in bed by nine and I don't know. All right. I'm excited to see what we come up with for next year. Obviously it was a successful run so we have to run it back.
Starting point is 00:45:55 I will be a part of it. I got to figure out how. I think that if I did what Nick did, like going up and like set up my own little. He cheated. He cheated. That was cheating, but I didn't calm out for it. Why?
Starting point is 00:46:05 How? He's still in the office. Yeah, but he. He brought it. And it's not like you can see anyone sleeping either. Yeah, you can. Yeah, you can. When I go up there, you know Tony's up there.
Starting point is 00:46:13 And then I feel like, because the bed's like sitting. I feel like coming down is like a thing. It's his day. It's time to start the day. Like when you saw a scump come down the ladder, everyone's like, yeah, he's awake. Okay, okay, okay. Listen, if no one minds. Moving out of the room is cheating.
Starting point is 00:46:29 No matter what way you, no matter what way you slice. Okay, what if it's in the, so as long as you're in front of the camera, it's not cheating. Correct. If you sleep on the ground. If you sleep somewhere else, okay. If you get off camera and go over here and you're getting better sleep than everyone else, that's cheating. Or I love Nick to death. Or if you can be seeing him.
Starting point is 00:46:45 Like, Pomage was sleeping on the couch and I'm not sure if the camera could see him. Yeah, that counts. But we were like, yeah, Pam's right there sleeping. That's like enough. Dude, I just- I didn't know where Nick was. I had to go look for him. I just have such a loud snore, bro.
Starting point is 00:46:57 You're not worse than Davis. At the house when we were doing the- like a man snore. You know, I'm not embarrassed by it. I just don't want to distract the stream. Nothing to be embarrassed about. So you were in. I mean next year.
Starting point is 00:47:09 In Miami, I heard it. What are we doing, though? You guys are both in next year? 100%. All right, you get 30 minutes of game time today. Yeah, we're going to have to figure a lot of shit out then. Okay, well, how about this? I won't be in it, but I'll be more on it.
Starting point is 00:47:22 No, you can be in it if you want. We're just going to have to figure out shifts. Because this year we did five and shifts were already. I'm not playing. I'm not. Oh, you just want to be on camera. Oh, then fuck you. Then that's easy.
Starting point is 00:47:32 I'll get a couple games. It was so much fun looking back at it. Now you miss it? Yeah, well, it was crazy. was already what, two and a half weeks ago, three weeks ago? We started the 24th, third? Two weeks ago. Two weeks ago?
Starting point is 00:47:44 We started the 20th. Was it the 23rd? 23rd at night because the game came out 24th in the morning, remember? Because New Zealand? So we started like a whole... From when it ended, it's been 12 days. Oh, really? It's only been, because we ended on Halloween.
Starting point is 00:48:02 Dude, time is crazy to me. It's only been 12 days. I feel like it was so long. know, his wedding was four months ago, five months ago. You know how crazy that is? I feel like we were in Florence like two weeks ago. Isn't that crazy how that works? Lies, man.
Starting point is 00:48:15 Yeah, time does fly. Like time is the craziest thing to me. This is a whole different conversation. But I always think about that, how, like, how insane it is. Amen. And it gets shorter. The older you get. Scroll that a little bit, Matt, Craig.
Starting point is 00:48:28 We're answering questions from Twitter. Let's see some of these. Yes. Let's see some of these questions. I love this section. This new section. This works wonders on the Pine Park After Dark. Okay, Jake Lucky, Counterstrike when, ASAP.
Starting point is 00:48:41 Jacob Hale, what about it works for you? Crimic shoutout. Hilarious. Cole Martin, what's your favorite thing about being in Optic, the brotherhood? Going through shit together and fucking coming out on top because we went through shit together. All right, so I'm the only one answering you guys? You know, I like the... Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. I like being surrounded by like-minded individuals where I can go to anybody and I can go to Hitch and be like, what do you think about this?
Starting point is 00:49:07 Or I can text Roger about a thumbnail or I can say, yo, let's do this dream. And then we travel. Honestly, it's kind of like one big, uh, it's honestly a dream. I mean, we get to travel,
Starting point is 00:49:17 eat good food, watch call of duty. I mean, we have a really good group, fun game. You got a good thing going on, man. Yeah. Great time.
Starting point is 00:49:24 It's a good sitcom. It's a good sitcom. We'll call a duty player of you team with that has the worst diet. Absolutely. I'm not going to lie, all of them. I've never seen like,
Starting point is 00:49:33 I've never, all pros have bad diets, dude. Because especially when, we were playing here every day chick filet every every literally every day chick filet panera like caps it'll and tegeo they used to pre-fire they used to go on uber eats and it'd be like 6 p.m. at night we're hanging out of dinner and they'd schedule an uberetech delivery for like 10 a.m so they wake up and go to their
Starting point is 00:49:54 door and I'm like you guys are huge well that's like that's level it's actually pretty it's smart but like you're you're big for that yeah uh what color duty player I read that. Question for Hex in the last four years getting an optic back. What do you feel like has been the biggest accomplishment getting optic back
Starting point is 00:50:11 and staying together? It's what it is. Oh, wait. What is something that you want or wanted to accomplish but having yet? So much. So much.
Starting point is 00:50:21 I don't know. I wouldn't even know where to begin. I guess putting them on a list would be a good way to start. There you go. Write it down. Visualize it. You know?
Starting point is 00:50:30 The optic collector. Can I be on the podcast in the future to talk optic history and collectibles? No, but I do, not on this podcast, but I do want to have, I do want to have a conversation. I'm supposed to have a Discord call with these guys, the collectors, the optic collectors. They don't collect just optic stuff. They collect a bunch of stuff, but it's a collector myself.
Starting point is 00:50:51 I do want to, you know, have those conversations. What was one thing early in your career you wish you had dedicated more time to? That's a good question. YouTube. Yeah, I would say YouTube as well, to be honest. I should not take in those three years. I don't really have anything, to be honest. is there a possibility of a race to iridescent stream we kind of talked about it but that wouldn't even be like a race because i mean you hit you hit like the top rank in the first day yeah now we're gonna be mac can you click on the second one are here if you if you play with a team if you play for like a full eight hour day yeah it's gonna be quick as shit you're yeah you're getting there pretty quickly but i do think that would be i mean it's a cool concept dude i should it wouldn't even be like a race it would be like i should do the the fucking subathon road to iridescent i know i know i
Starting point is 00:51:42 never get there. I like, I like, just always live forever. I like this question. Go ahead, read it up. Being in the landscape for so long, obviously the atmosphere of the gaming industry has grown exponentially. Is the atmosphere now better or worse than it was 10 to 12 years ago? And if it is better now, do you still miss the Wild West days of content in gaming back
Starting point is 00:52:00 then? I think there's a lot more money in it now, and I think people, if you're at the, on the upper side of it, you make more money. I think back then, though, we're like the grassroots. and I feel like the camaraderie that was around back then doesn't really exist like I used to. Like back then the whole community was like one big family and now it feels a lot more separate. I feel like the culture was better back then, but now the opportunity for individuals is better now. Yeah. Like back then, back then there was some money being made, but like it was also because of how young we were.
Starting point is 00:52:34 I mean, to be like 14, 15, 16 traveling around and like getting those experiences that young was kind of like unheard of. Like my parents, I remember they let me go to my first tournament alone. And that wasn't really a thing, like letting your 15-year-old fly to a tournament to hang out with a bunch of people that they, because back then my grandma was like, Anthony, you don't know who you're talking to? Like, you know what I mean? It was just a different culture. I agree with you. Yeah. I think back then was more tight-knit and like fun and getting to grow it was amazing.
Starting point is 00:53:06 Dude, I'm going to tell you something, okay? We're still in it. you know, it only seems like the Wild West was 10 years ago, but if you look at this thing from a, from an established e-sports, the way that the NFL is established or the way that NBA is established, like we are still in the first, not even in the first half of this thing.
Starting point is 00:53:24 You know what I'm saying? Like we're still in it. It just feels that way that we were in the Wild West back then. But, I mean, obviously, if you look at the state of the entire industry as it stands today, there's still a bunch of things that needs to be figured out, right? What is a developer's role in e-sports, for example, is definitely one of them.
Starting point is 00:53:41 Can't blame them. They set out to be an art project, an interactive art project. They made games because they love making games. And then like anything else, the second that the business thing started to come in, then obviously people with more experience wanted to sort of mold and shift everything. But we're still literally in it right fucking now. What is or isn't allowed? But I will say the league has to be better, though, because I think back with,
Starting point is 00:54:06 specifically call of duty, when we were coming up, the path to pro was much more It was impossible Now the path to pro is nearly impossible I wouldn't say him Impossible you just got to It's the same as it was You just got to stick out
Starting point is 00:54:21 No it's very difficult now Because we have so many less spots You don't have the open bracket To get to play against the pros I just don't like the word impossible Because it's definitely impossible But it's a lot harder than it used To that
Starting point is 00:54:33 To that though I'll say think about back in the day When we first started The community wasn't as big right Okay, is the community bigger now than it was back then? I think it might be bigger back then than it is now. I think it might be crazily. You're saying that there was more people...
Starting point is 00:54:49 During the golden days of call duty. You think that there was more people on YouTube back then creating content that there is today? Not none. Which means that there weren't that many people consuming the content back then. Right? So back then there was a cap because only X amount of people were watching it. Now there's so many people doing it that you sort of say you're at the whims of standing out back then and standing out now didn't matter.
Starting point is 00:55:12 Like, it's, it's, it's, it's, I think back then call duty was the it game where like call duty was the game, all the celebrities are playing it. And they still do, but like now there's competition. Now you have Apex Fortnite. And I just think it's more saturated now. So eyes can go elsewhere. Like, you know, you can watch this game or this person. Back then there were no eyes is what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:55:29 So it's the same thing. When, when there was no eyes, now there's too many. Yeah. And now attention spans are fucking. And I mean, it's just so. That is crazy about it. It's just oversaturity. It's like there's everyone everyone's doing it now.
Starting point is 00:55:42 It's just I saw everyone should. I saw something recently. Yeah, no, man. And this was the best way you put it. So COVID not only changed. COVID was a time warp because for two to four years it was just like a snap of a finger. But that was also when TikTok blew up and that's when the combination of like the, the isolation and being inside all the time with TikTok just completely changed brains. Because now the way you consume content is so different.
Starting point is 00:56:09 Yeah. Like, I used to be able to watch TV shows. That was my thing. And now I still can, but I'm checking my phone way more than I used to. 100%. Because you're constant looking for, like, that quick dopamine head. I'm checking Coinbase. But it's crazy.
Starting point is 00:56:23 I was fucking just fucking ripping them last. You should have saw me in bed. Felt like fucking. Like the Wolfie? Yeah, dude, I was just throwing little, just planting them. I'd be like, watch them grow a little bit. Be like, ooh, it's time to harvest. Dude, I was loving that.
Starting point is 00:56:39 It's it. Hell yeah. Oh, that's my boy Watts right there. He's always in the stream. Best memory you have since joining Optic, too. There's, I mean, that's such a hard question. That is that hard question. There's so much shit to narrow down.
Starting point is 00:56:51 Pecks, will we ever see support from the AM scene from Optic, like what Zuma is doing for FC Black Official and what Chitu Chituwanga is doing with TPC Circuit? I think we, I think we, I think we're doing a lot right now. in order for us to do something like that there will have to be some level of help from someone else the other thing is, is like, if I'm faze, I wouldn't let, different thoughts on different things.
Starting point is 00:57:24 It's not even about that though. Like, it is, it is not even up to us at this point, right? It's the, it's the owner of the game and what they choose to do with what we built. Wait, when did the New Jersey's drop? It's good question, swoosh. Wait, my allowed to say that? I think on the first game,
Starting point is 00:57:43 usually, Matt, when do we usually release them? Joey doesn't know either. No one knows, I guess. Any future potential venture into another esports. Sure, we're always in the look, but right now we're trying to make work work within the boundaries of what we have right now. Opinions on the rumored new CDL format. I, so the new CDL format is essentially the same kind of format,
Starting point is 00:58:10 but I guess less a few less matches but there's online tournaments but I don't like I think they're trying to do it but it's not going to be the same because what made the 2Ks back in the day so special is you had all the different player POVs and you can switch from them it's just going to be a more glamorous thing that we already watch the the main broadcast is still going to watch every single match from one POV as far as what we know like it's not people want every team to stream and you can go to Shotsie stream and watch him play and then go to attach and watch him. You can hear all their comms and you can see like...
Starting point is 00:58:45 This is just a glorified version to say that they're doing something, but I don't think it's enough. Like, it's not a bad move, but I don't think it's enough, personally. If it's the way that we all think it's going. Yeah. No, I agree. I think...
Starting point is 00:58:59 I don't think it's going to hit the same as like a 2K or 5K back in the day. But it's something else for us to watch and be competitive. It just feels like glorified league matches. So they can say, oh, yeah, we're trying to bring back what this once was, but that's not what they're doing. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:16 Going back to the Wild War West, what were you going to say? I was going to say, league matches and shit in two Ks, but it's kind of like, I mean, I guess it'd be decent, but I know what you mean how you can switch your people's shit. Brother, everybody knows how to make this successful. I just don't know what it's going to take for them to do it. Everybody knows the format that's going to work. Less league matches, bigger tournaments,
Starting point is 00:59:36 and the tournaments lead in the seating, and then we go to a major. You don't do four weeks of dragged out league matches where you're watching 11 verse 12. That's not how you build it. That's how you lose people. You need to cut you like, especially these days,
Starting point is 00:59:48 you need to fucking, you need to get people while you have them. It needs to be quick, impactful, big things. Correct. Not this slow, drawn out, slow drip of boring. This is exactly why I say that we're still in the Wild Wild West because what he just said is that everybody knows what the format is, but nobody can get it all into one thought
Starting point is 01:00:08 and plan to execute. Everyone's just like shooting in the dark trying to see what just the Wild Wall West. Which gives everybody the... Well, I was going to say, I feel like people, I feel like people know what format will work. Okay, then how come we're not doing it?
Starting point is 01:00:20 I just think there's so many like hurdles now. Personally, I think it's a bit of stubbornness. I think they tried to turn... I think they tried to make this. And I, I, we talk about us a lot. I do respect the fact that they tried to make this big sports thing. They brought in the sports owners,
Starting point is 01:00:35 Robert Kraft and the New York Mets. Like, I saw what they tried to do. I think it's time to admit that that didn't work and go back to what we know works. I think they already admitted by letting everybody off. Okay, well, then go back to the 16 team tournaments with four teams making it throughout. Yes. We all know the model. We can talk about it all day.
Starting point is 01:00:55 Okay. Go back to what works. If everybody knows it and nobody can get it all on a sheet of paper to be inexecutable line of items for this plan means that we are still not on the same page. and therefore in the Wild Wild West, which gives everybody an opportunity, everybody that's watching, everybody that's sitting here,
Starting point is 01:01:13 an opportunity to build something for themselves surrounding this thing that we know is going to get to where it's going to get to. So, listen, you're going to be sitting here a year from now and saying, fuck, man, that was my idea. I should have fucking done it.
Starting point is 01:01:28 I just feel like, especially with the Trairc game. Chat, Chappetopet tells you. Like, with a Trairc game where Trairc gives us the most competitive support, like I think Trairc is the most receptive to, like changing spawns and fixing features.
Starting point is 01:01:39 Like they are the developer that we want to work with because they're very, they love competitive Call of Duty, I think genuinely. So I feel like we need to pair, for example, this year, with the correct format and then bang, see how it goes. And shout out to them. Take all. I got to use the bathroom.
Starting point is 01:01:55 Go ahead, do you think. And shout out to them because like it would have been really easy for them to lose their path or their passion after Von der Harr left. But that could also speak to the, to the sort of man that Bondar is to leave that, leave that culture still intact the way that it is so many years after him leaving. So pretty excited.
Starting point is 01:02:19 Pretty excited for any time that Traeric has something to release. Different topic, but I think we discussed that a lot. But you watching any TV recently? Blah, blah, blah, blah. Disclosure. I'm watching disclosure right now. The reason I ask is the penguin just finished. And like that was a.
Starting point is 01:02:36 Masterpiece 10 out of 10 And masterpiece Like they made essentially A soprano show Within the DC universe As the best way to describe it I love it
Starting point is 01:02:46 And it was one of the best finalies I've ever seen So I'm a big TV guy Say less I wanted to tell everybody watching You probably know about the penguin Silo season two's coming back Arcane season two
Starting point is 01:02:55 I'm a TV geek But I've been getting tweets And I'm getting kind of hype Someone's like thank you for putting me on severance one of my favorites I get a lot of tweets Now like thank you for telling me about the show
Starting point is 01:03:06 I feel it the man. Like, if that's the case, I want to give a shout out to a creator that I just came across and I've been sending him to all of my friends. I sent it to you yesterday. It's the guy that says me and my, me and my boy Johnny, you'll talk about? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So this dude, Bose, like, I'm a, Matt, I'm going to send it to you and you got to play it because otherwise I'm going to butcher it and people won't understand how fucking
Starting point is 01:03:30 hilarious this, this dude is, where's met the, all right here, bam. Matt, I'm going to send it to you. How do I send it to you on Twitter? Here you go, Matt. I got to give this dude a shout out because not often do I come across, like, people that I've never seen before creating content on Call of Duty in this case. And I just fucking loved his content. Immediately Insta follow for me.
Starting point is 01:04:00 I don't even know his name. Rollo. Rollo Polo. Before we even make it, me and my boy. I ain't all right, bro. We do not care. My boy Johnny would run laps around you on this game. Bro, I'm gonna fuck about no Johnny. I really don't. I guarantee when Johnny shows up, you won't be saying a word, buddy.
Starting point is 01:04:18 Oh my god, go play with him then. What's your problem? You need to shut up. What are you gonna do about it? Is Johnny Pat his job while you're out here playing video games all day long? Like, shut up. Johnny'll be on him 50 minutes. You won't be talking like that then. What's you gonna do?
Starting point is 01:04:32 Jump through the screen. Like, I'm so scared. He'll run circles around you. Okay, he can run circles. I don't care. As far as I'm concerned, dude, like a... Buddy, I know you're not talking to me. And he wouldn't say a word like that to my face, buddy. I totally would, buddy. Like, I'm not...
Starting point is 01:04:46 You should keep these generalizations to yourself because I am one of the boldest motherfuckers that you will ever meet. And not only will I say this to your face, I will smack you right in your f*** mouth, dude. My boy Johnny would mess you up, buddy. Bro, fuck. Jock.
Starting point is 01:05:01 I love Johnny so much, dude. Like, oh... When I'm playing hardcore with my boys, man... That's great. Anyway, that's just good stuff. It's so good. It's so good. That's good.
Starting point is 01:05:13 Because everybody knows someone at this. Dude, my boy Johnny would mess you up. That is awesome. You said my boy, just wait until Johnny gets on. That's good. Good for him. Anyway, that's good word. That skump didn't have to go number one.
Starting point is 01:05:26 Apparently, he had to go somewhere else. Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, where are we at, Matt? What's the time frame on this? Okay, last time we caught it short because there was no more conversation. Man, people were upset. And I apologize, ladies and gentlemen, we do. you at the very least an hour of content. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:05:46 I do appreciate you. That will be it for episode. Shane Gillis announced real quick. He's coming to Dallas and we're going. I'm there. Because I will not miss some airline center. Shane Gillis, January 11th. I will be there for sure.
Starting point is 01:05:57 If you can handle that, count me in. All right. I'm not, Jude doesn't like, I'm just going to buy like six seats. Just me. I'm just going solo with whoever wants to go. All right. But yeah,
Starting point is 01:06:09 That's going to do for episode 200. Huge shout out to Mountain Dew, Rocket Money, Marvel Snap, and Hymns for sponsoring this podcast. We will see you guys next week. Bye.

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