OpTic Podcast - We Kicked Scump Off the Podcast | The OpTic Podcast Ep. 241

Episode Date: September 16, 2025

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Roger, he's sick. Why is he here? I didn't know he was sick. It's bad, too. Listen, no excuse for being fucking late, first of all. Why are you here still? Roger, Roger, Roger, is that recording? Pointed at him. Look how sickly he looks.

I mean, what do you want me to do, put on a show? No, you're good. Just maintain your distance. All right, uh, rather, can you remember? reframe this? Yeah, go home, bro. Actually? Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, as you guys may be aware, the skumper jumper

is really sick. He came in here, walked in, he was dripping everywhere, and I asked him, what are you doing here? You're sick. He says, I was on the schedule. Nobody believed that I was sick, but I believed him. As you saw there, the boys looking sickly. So we're going to do the podcast without him today

and some other content that we have scheduled. We have my man, Money Biscuit to my left. We have the the Shotsie man to my right. And we have a bunch of things to discuss. I was going to ask Gump, how he was, I haven't seen him in like a month in person.

Damn, I can't get sick. I actually thought you saw him like earlier. No, when? Because last week I was, where? Was I on the podcast last week?

I was, right? Yeah, that's when Henry, yeah, and then he arrived that Tuesday. So I didn't see him Wednesday, Thursday. The week before that, I didn't see him at all.

And yeah, it's been like a month since I seen him. So it was good to see him. Sad to see him be a little sickly. but here we are. I actually have some really, really good news. Really?

I do. Two good news. Two. One, Xbox games will soon be playable in your car. I thought you had. Jude's pregnant? Dude, we're 45. She's just turned 44 like two days ago.

X is an idiot. But I do. And moments like these, like I wish that I would still vlog. because it would be a lot easier for me to introduce you guys. But obviously, since Hendry's passing, it's been really tough on everybody. But most tough, it's been on Benji. I don't know if I told you guys the story. You tell me.

I did, right? And the way he was like holding. Yeah, anyway. So that day I told Jude, I'm like, get him a dog immediately. Get him a dog immediately. And she said, all right, I'm going to get two dogs. you don't you y'all do everything yo y'all be doubling up on that not y'all

not y'all she she she too let you give them an inch they take a mile they got two of everything aunt no we don't where they got like what computers phones oh come on cribs cars oh yeah yeah yeah so he's got two new pieces he's like we got two spoons two fours two nine whole set

but we did we did end up buying a you got a new dog we got a a new one. I have the crib right now. You have the crib right now. For real? What kind of dog? Riley, can I send it to you? And then how would you, how do you want me to send this video to you? So obviously Benji, what you're about to see

now, Benji's the big dog right there. He's the one that had cancer last year. He had a cancer cyst on the back of his nostril. They did chemotherapy. His whole face, his whole fur on his face fell off, eyelashes, everything. But he made it. He's in remission. He's good. But for the past, since Henry's passing,

since Senneries passing he's been like just moping around like not like he'll eat but he's not energetic he's bored out of his mind and I'm like I'm like no he's he's depressed out of his mind he's not bored out of his mind so what you're about to see in his behavior is something that we haven't seen since Sanry's passing but right there on the the little pup that you're about to see is an English great dain not a great dain mastiff the way that uh that my that my boy was um and so he's not going to be as thick as San Diego He's gonna be like a leaner I don't fucking know actually, you know, but he's not a great thing mass tiff Is he gonna get as big though? I mean I could see I could see his mother

taller taller yeah, holy so anyway I introduced to you optic McAulik Yes Pacho all right so he hasn't been wagging or running or or sneeze he's like who the fuck is this that's the P from the little one don't cry dude right there she's like I'm gonna cry because Pancho was again

Benji was just like a super Lee right here here look at this cute frame so anyway like literally we haven't seen him like fucking moving his whole body in happiness he hasn't been doing the playful sneeze like that's how they

let you know that they're playing anyway my heart was breaking just seen. I mean, obviously, like, we've all been having a tough time. I have personally been having a really tough time with it. But, but, but him, I was like, fuck that. He's not going to, you know, be sick and will, in remission and also depressed. It's going to get him even more sick. So, Leo folks and, uh, and my other brother-in-law were flown to Fort Wayne, Indiana to see if they can fly him back or otherwise, we're going to drive 14 hours back. Um, and we are already planned on getting like, uh, more dogs. Uh, well,

another dog you know because we knew that you know obviously Benji and Henry are getting up during age and you know whatever but but yeah like he was able to make it if we would have waited one more day he wouldn't have been able to get on the plane because he would have been

20 pounds but the fact that it was 18 because he was a baby it would have been it made it easier so so yeah look at the pause on how do you like introduce the dog to like all your other animals just like this Like you just Like if you start from the beginning, Riley

Like you'll see it Like you just let them Like they they have their own They have like their own language They know how to communicate Uh They'll growl or or snap at you If if you're getting too close

But yeah you just introduce them And it's like You know So none of your animals have like They all get along Yeah because they're pack Right So they spend

majority of their time together So they become a pack It's just instinct Even the cats be around the dogs Yeah Damn Yeah instinctive

bro this guy has fucking muscles bro bro look at him he's gonna be a monster bro bro look at his paws bro look at look at Benji's paws and look at he's nine weeks old yeah

he's gonna be a monster I sense I'm gonna I'm gonna Riley I'm gonna send you another one this this uh actually not let's move out I'm fucking dog talking to shit

anyway meet optic duracel that's what I named them first Durasel I don't know I think he said Mnuchial McCallick.

McCallick. You know what that is? Oh, what is that? William Wallace. No idea. William Wallace? Braveheart? Uh-uh.

Have you seen Gladiator? No. Well, we are smarter? Yeah. No, that's 300. Oh, this one? Yeah. You've never seen this one?

No, I'm pretty sure I've seen this. I would hope so. Every man should watch this. I just don't know, like, I watch it. I'm almost positive, bro. I used to watch, like, believe it or not, I used to watch this shit in, like, high school, bro. Yeah, me too.

They would, they would, like, play it. Yeah, it's, it's, uh, this is William Wallace. I am William Wallace. It, uh, it teaches you about love. It teaches you about being brave, not for thyself, but for a higher cause. Anyway, it's a really, really good movie. Highly recommend it. Uh, Mel Gibson before, I don't even know what fucking drama he was in, but, uh, yeah, it's

fucking one of my favorite movies of all time. But yeah, that's the announcement. We got a new puppy and Benji is happy again. I have done what I needed to do as a father and, and don't get me wrong. Like, the little dog's helping us too. But I tell you, man, it ain't, you know, it's not like, nothing will replace Henry ever, right? Like, it's obvious. But, yeah.

Anyway, so, yeah. Wait, Xbox, you could play in your car? Yeah, I mean, I don't, I mean, what are you going to play in your, like, for kids? I could. Yeah, he can. Oh, yeah, I guess. That's kind of why I'm interested. So what do you do?

Like, you play and then you put your hand on the wheels. I was like, no, let me see. What? All right. I'm going to tell you something, okay? And I don't want to shit on this. I don't want to shit on this at all. I don't want to negatively talk about it.

But have you ever been on your phone when the car's moving? You get car sick, don't you? Do you get cars sick? No, I actually don't. You don't get cars sick? I don't. You don't get car sick either? What?

No. What do you mean? I don't know where you just start feeling. Yeah, like, you were just like, oh, no, no. A lot of people that I know get sick, like a lot of people. But for me, I never get sick. I don't know why.

Like, if I spin in a... I know people that if they spin in a circle too fast, I like, ooh. Okay, that's not the same. That's not the same. I've never puked off of spinning. Like, but I've puked off of car sick. Nice.

Yeah. Bro, when I was a kid in Juarez on field trips to like the white sands of New Mexico because we used to do a field trip. Yeah. This is the 80s, right? So, like, immigration was a little bit easier to, you know, to go back. and forth. Yeah.

I mean, I was born here, obviously, so I had no issue. But we would go from Juarez on a bus all the way to White Sands of New Mexico. And I would puke all the way there. Every single time. I was the only kid that was allowed to put my head out the window. It was the one thing that would stop me from fucking puking. They used to call me. Oh, that probably felt a good at a hell.

Yeah. Mr. Rvombe does. I swear to God. That's what they try to bully me with. Little did they know that I ain't give no fuck. Oh, yeah. You should try this.

I have that. Oh, you do? Yeah, it's on. That shouldn't even help or no? Uh-uh. It helps a little bit, sure. I just don't use my, if I'm in the backseat of an Uber, I just don't use my, I just don't look at my phone at all. If I do, I'm using that.

You just get sick off that. Yeah, no, but it's not, it's like, I get sick in my stomach. Like, I'm like, ugh. But yeah, I mean, I don't know. I personally have never been able to play on my Switch or on my Game Boy as I'm in the car. I just get motion sickness. No, that's interesting. I wonder like

how the fuck that shit's even gonna happen. Don't be thinking that because you're the movement king. You're like getting into it. To stream, play directly. You think people could stream? Yeah. Nah. Yeah, of course.

What? Yeah, it's kind of lit. You could do like a road trip and just stream the whole time. You could. I mean, you could do that now, right? But you won't be playing video games. Yeah. If you're on road trip, like, listen, I love Call of Duty and shit,

but if I'm going somewhere, you ain't going to catch me playing no fucking college. Not even to wind down at night. You know. Madden, yeah. You can get some madden. I've never, dude,

I can't tell you the last time I played a sports game. No FIFA, no fucking, no Madden or NBA 2K, none of that. Yeah, 2K is good this year. I know a lot of people are on it. You know a lot of people here. What?

What? The hackers. Did you hear about that? Hackers shit? No. I guess like the hackers There's like a big thing in NBA 2K. Oh.

How the fuck do you hack in NBA 2K? Well, bro, there would be random times We're like no bullshit. I never ran into a hacker on MLB or not like that But there'd be random times bro. Motherfuckers would just back to back to back. I'm like, bro, how the fuck are you hitting all these home runs? No matter what I do.

But there would be like a hacker like a hidden hacker. They just hit one when they want, you know? Oh, yeah. how is this acceptable at QC you say there's no way that in 2025 there are no solution to the cheater epidemic every single lobby is riddled full of Zen users

the game is unplayable how's the auto green when shooting auto green yeah like you know whatever the shit that people use on cod that fucking it helps you aim or I don't know what the fuck it does yeah some shit like that it gives you the auto green when shooting

what how is that even possible So they're not like hacking like in the game, but like... But is it every spot you shoot at a different spot though? Like different like thing you know what I'm talking about? But I don't know how it's like reading. Because like let's say Steph shoots, right? He has a different meter. Yeah, yeah.

I know exactly what she means. I don't know how it does it, but I know for sure that's been a thing, no. This guy is a fucking loser, bro. That just, why do you want to play a game and you make every single shot? Why you want to be a fucking loser is a question? Like, why would you want to be, why would you want to play a game and not miss? I don't get it. Like, you're just winning every game.

You gotta think about this, right? If there, if, if, if, what this tells me is that if they were the owners of an e-sports team and they could cheat their way to the top, they would. Oh, yeah. And at that point, like, besides maybe some money, I mean, what is the fucking point? Like, you have to, you have to lose. I mean, I guess these guys are just like. Bro, like, what? They don't want to have no nail bite or game, but like, good clutch.

Like, bro, it wasn't real. Oh, you cheated. Like, last season was one of the best seasons ever, dude. Like, the range of emotions that we had in the beginning to winning, bro. I would, like, how the fuck would you rob yourself of that? Yeah, exactly. You know what I'm saying? Like, of that experience.

You'll never feel it. Going through the dark times and succeeding. Like, you're just fucking succeeding. And, like, what sort of bragging rights do you get? Like, no way that you lie. It's like, no. way no way deep down inside i gotta be eating people uh huh i gotta be eating some people alive like they're just so good at 2k no and they're cheating no one knows like that doesn't no i know

but inside eat you up inside hey you if you if you if you were a cheater and you watch this fucking podcast next week don't watch us don't watch us ever again but before you go do you answer me this do you sit there with a smile on your face like hell yeah i won that and you don't like do any any like self auditing of like how big of a fucking loser you got to be like dude what's the point what is the point disgusting dirty fucks who's who's stephen spielberg what et et et this is et phone home steven spielberg et fucking Jurassic park uh yeah oh you did red d player one yeah bridge of spice is really good

He did ET? Where? Indiana Jones, bro, ET right there. So wait, well, he directed it?

Saving Private Ryan? Is Steven Spiel? I mean, obviously, I know, I'm a big fan. Obviously, close encounters

of the third kind. Uh, so good. Raiders, I mean, obviously that entire, that entire, you were out in

1988. That was two years old. That's when he was out. Yeah. Holy. You were still putting that shit in 95 when I was born?

I had to. So I watched that seven years came out or five years. Yeah, that means I watched it like five or ten years after too. Yeah. Damn, I had some range. War the world's really good. Munich is good. Terminal is good.

Catch me if you can, incredible. Wait, so is that director or what is this? Yeah, he's a director. You know where all the worlds was filmed? Storyteller. What? You know where a War of the World was filmed? Yeah, in New Jersey. Bayon.

Bayon, was it really? Sorry, got. Bro. Bayon. Do they have help whenever they're storytelling? What you mean? Yeah, they have a group of like. writers and stuff the puzzle piece like what this movie should be that is insane

dude that is yeah you know he's a legend he is you got denied though yeah he got denied the call of duty rights damn yeah to be fair like I mean I don't know the reason why they didn't give it to him is because he didn't want to do a movie in which he didn't have creative control Activision which obviously controls every single corner of this thing said nah brandy and the publishers prefer more action oriented summer temple treatment unfortunately the pitch recame with strings that Activision wasn't ready to buy its horses to jazz Spielberg working via Universal and his amblin banner saw two tuptu

final cut final cut meaning that they have like the final say full marketing production control Activision yeah What do you think it's going to be about? Like the Call the Duty movie. The movie itself, but they give it to Paramount. Paramount for what it's worth has has some pretty good things.

It's got Mobland. Did we talk about this last week? Okay, why are we fucking talking about it again? Oh, the Spielberg thing is the new thing. Got it. Yeah. All good Spielberg. You got ET, bro.

Yeah, yeah. Trag Post, FAC, video, and answers about, oh, yeah. That was the movement thing. I didn't see any of this. Have you? don't have these little areas on the map where certain shit can... You, pause this.

I want to give a huge shout out to fucking Trey Arc, who continues, in my opinion, to be the better developer of this thing. I obviously believe that anybody that develops Call of Duty for Call of Duty should be one single entity and one team that talks to each other. But we won't get the variety that we get. But the fact that they have this level of transparency with the...

And of course, it's limited. Then I'm going to tell you everything. But at least they're telling you something. is pretty cool. You want to play that? Are we watching the whole thing or what? All right. This is some of your questions.

This might be so little bit, I swear like, to the actual community, this probably means like so much. What was the overall philosophy for movement in Blackop 7? So I'd say the overall design philosophy for our core movement in Blackop 7 was to pull back a little bit based off of where we introduced Omni Movement last year. Also, we've removed TACSprint by default. With that, we've increased our base movement speed. But you can take a perk if you still want to attack Sprint. So that's kind of the philosophy, is pulling back a little bit. So not everybody's quite as agro.

But if you want to play that way, we've got opportunities through our perk system. We saw some big movement and jumps in the trailer. What does that mean for gameplay in Black Ops 7? So what you saw there specifically was our kinetic jump. That's specific to our co-op campaign. Those are not in Blackop 7 multiplayer. What we do have in Black Up 7 multiplayer is a refined on. the movement with the addition of wall jump. Is there wall running in Black Ops 7? What about jet packs?

No wall running. We do have wall jump. I can run up to a wall and I can jump off of it. And there's no jet packs. The technology isn't quite there yet in 2035 and that's where you are in Black op 7 multiplayer. Can I chain wall jumps? Yes, you can. Right now we have it capped at three wall jumps. I want to see. To be a little more specific on that second and third jump, we're going to move with a If I played it out. If I played it out. First one is going to be powerful and then you'll lose a little bit of momentum on that second and third one. We want to make sure that people honestly aren't ping ponging around the maps.

We do have some really cool opportunities built into our maps, some of which you'll play in the beta. All that said, we're looking forward to getting this out into beta into your hands and then hearing your feedback and then we'll go from there. Are grappling hooks in multiplayer? Grappling hooks are not in core 66 multiplayer. The team has been having a ton of fun with them in our co-op campaign. co-op campaign and we are exploring ways where they may show up in our 20 v. 20 mode skirmish.

All right. So no double jump in midair. No, no double jump. What is this? Shepin. Question mark. Wrong studio. That is right. Can we get some Black Ops two remasters that we've never had before? Yeah, you can. Okay. And that was it for me today

answering some of your questions. I will say this is kind of... This is cool. That answer makes sense. He says shipment. That's an infinity Ward studio map but they did Black Ops 3

and in Black Ops 3 you have Carrington in that one map where there's like it's snow and then B-Bomb is like right in front of the there's a back ledge that falls

off on B-Bomb it's where somebody pulled the oh you ninja diffused on that recently in that map which is a rock to the right yeah yeah yeah on that map I think it's confection

on that map Carrington is on the side. It's unplayable. It's outside the map, but it's on the side. I think my memory serves me correctly. Black Ops 3 infection. Right? Yeah. Okay.

No, no, no. Yeah, let me click, click on the... Am I fucking... And I'm dead ass serious? Like, type in Carrington. Carrington. Yeah, sometimes I'll have pictures of other maps like on the outside.

No, no, no, no. E-N-T-A-N. Karen, C-A-R, no, C-A-R-E-N-T-A-N. Right there. Yeah, there it is. It's on the side of the... Click on it. Were you in, like... So that's the side of a mountain.

You can see, click on the one to the left. Oh, that? No, no. Yeah, that one. The middle one. Top middle. Yeah, you see that? You see how it's on the side?

Yeah. Yeah. So that's Karenton. That's an Infinity Ward map. It was part of Call of Duty, too. It was brought back in Call of Call of Duty, known as Chinatown. So for him to say no to shipment,

but yes to Carrington, I'd like to know the lore behind that, you know? Oh, so that's like a little Eastering? Like, that's literally fucking, that's Carrington earth there? Yeah, type in, yeah, yeah, yeah, Karenton. And that's Infinity Word?

Yeah. But, okay, what, I think? Yeah. No, not Black Ops 2. Call of Duty 2. But yeah, this is it. This is it right here. This map, specifically the middle top,

the top middle, this scene was also in Band of, Brothers the HBO show if you if you go up above and delete where it says black ops two on the search bar and type in band Band of brothers Carrington Band of Brothers oh I'm such a fucking color duty nerd dude Look at that right there That's that that's that that's on the second second top second second top second top yeah that one That's the same. Yeah What's like strolling into Carrington? That's awesome

So whenever you're watching the movie you're like oh I know this is that yeah it's dude See, fucking nerd shit, you know. I love college is my shit. Respect. Yeah, look, again, I think the double jumps are going to be cool. I do believe that the exploitation of movement should be allowed as far as it can go. If there's some game breaking mechanics, like what? Like maybe invisible walls or like ladders or, you know, all that shit.

I get that, but from a movement standpoint, like you should allow a player. like me with like 100 movement to be able to do what I can, when I can, how I can. You know? Sex. In Call Duty 2, instead of strafe jumping, you had a thing called C jumping. So you would get in a little, so you would essentially do a C to get more running speed and there was no running in Call duty 2. Press a little YouTube and type in C jumping call duty two. He doesn't know.

He wasn't a ride with a baby. You had to do a C to run faster? No, no, no. It's a C jump. So you would do like a run called the C jump. How did you guys know about that shit? Like there was no YouTube back then, was it? Yeah, the fuck.

Barely. It just came out. Same time as this thing came out. Wait, what was like the biggest thing whenever YouTube came out? Like what was like... The game? Was it gaming or like, yeah?

No, it was like, there was every video that you could imagine anything. Charlie bit me fucking all this. Charlie bit me. And there was a grenade. Oh, those grenade jumps? Are you familiar with grenade jumps? Those grenade jumps?

What was that? Like when you drop a grenade? And then. The explosion pushes you? Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. What?

Yeah. Go to. I love that shit was only in a little. A jump, Call Duty 2. And then it's probably going to give you the, uh, yeah, the Tujane wants a good jump. Best map ever made in Call Duty. It's just unbeatable. Let me see this shit.

He's jumping on top of the middle. What? And then if you, if you go, if you go. If you go, uh? That's hilarious. This is like the one thing that I wish caught had. I'm not gonna lie. The nerdy shit.

I'd be doing this kind of shit. He's gonna drop a Nate and he's gonna... Yeah, this one's... Again, it's all the cool shit. You know, it's crazy that Nameless is like the left. Nameless is the only other dude and wheat that played this shit, man. We're a dying breed. There's only three of us left.

Actually, I'm talking shit. You were playing against him whenever... You were playing against him? And to denameless? Yeah. What? Yeah. Was he shit?

Nah. He was there as a girl? Yeah. He was, he was. good. He was still, I mean, he's still around, but yeah, of course he was good. Yeah, I don't know how to do this jump. That's the C jump. Go back, go back, go back a little bit. That's the C jump. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I could do that.

Right here, ready? I still do that to his day. Ooh, tight shit. Clan-based ladder match mode. Oh, so you can go on private match right then? Yeah. My brother used to be all into this shit. Mapmonkeys.com was a website where you can, this doesn't exist anymore, but you can find, like, all the jumps, all the invisible walls, and he would, like, find shit. But he'd spent more time finding that shit than fucking playing the game.

Well, so there was no, like, professional thing in this? Yeah, yeah, there was a thing called XPL ladders. And there was also, XPL platforms was the thing. Did you play in them or no? Me, yeah. I played in NX gamers. Game Battles was around them back then, too. River City's finest?

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Yeah. Like actually? Yeah, yeah. I actually thought whenever like they lost her whatever, I thought they were all going to break up. Just like everybody goes to. I thought they were just going to get the Iman out, which was him.

That's what I would have done. No disrespect. I thought the way that I thought it was going to play out, I thought Zach was going to go to Falcons. Yeah, me too. And then I thought Sell was going to go to L.A. Thieves. I thought Abizi. I don't know what to be.

I thought a Bezzi was the Falcons guy. Oh, like, like they were. I thought that they were going to go after a Vizzi. Yeah, team. I guess I just saw that Bezzi in some sense. Team shit? Yeah, because I was just at Nades with Scrap and Envoy. And they were, like, talking and shit.

Like, they were teammates. And I was like, how they teammates are? Wait, what? What? Yeah, that's hilarious. Wait, what? They were, like, they were, like, talking, like, you know, like, we got to figure this shit out. Wait, the one night that we went to for Matt's birthday?

Yeah, the whole time, Scrap was probably plotting. Like, shit's hilarious, real. No, I think probably, no, I'm pretty sure. Yeah. At that time, I mean, that could be completely wrong, but like... They probably didn't know what they wanted to do. It was just funny as hell. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, Bezzi, like... Oh, he's packing his shit. Yo, he's hell of packing. He's hell of trying to give a little Q, too. He's ready to go. You know, this shit is hilarious. He took out the posters and everything. He's a lot of team.

What's funny is he probably didn't even realize like, oh, shit. They probably didn't even know all my shit's gone behind me. No, but I mean, I think. at this point like everybody knows that he everybody knows so he knows that everybody knows yeah that shit's great though right no yeah i wonder where he's going um all right move on oh my god did oh yeah oh yeah trakes is uh teretics oh the el argentino wait is like starter yeah really i don't know if he because i don't know like the rumor was stupid was gonna join but i don't know if uh i don't know what the fuck happened with that.

Like, I don't know if he replaced Snoopy's spot or he's replacing Meadow Spot with Snoopy. I don't know what's happening, but that's like, like, uh, Argentina, that's crazy, right? What? Like, he's from, is he from Argentina? Or, like, is that just like his family? No, he's Argentinian. Oh, shit.

That's fucking insane. First Argentinians who ever make it into the CDL, that's something that needs to be talked about, right? It's, uh, it's important. Yeah, that's crazy, bro. Yeah. That's typical will suck genuinely. Do you understand this or no?

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of sports of the Eastports Department at Heretics compromises under the responsibility and a a past of some opinions

in contra affichar of Nicola's Monaco always and when us maintain gamos in the quantities accorded. So apparently this is a this is a back of the napkin contract essentially saying that

these two, that the GM and these guys agree to that they're going to do business together and this is just a written contract that says they love these what they love these fake ass fucking that's real dude I mean it could be but shit they just spoke

about it now if he just bounced out like Rehout did that's this this counts a handshake counts so long as you can prove the handshake you know like if if the conversation between heretics and Rehap are they cliff farming or is this dead us huh are they

clip farming or they dead us see go up a little bit like bro give the man up some kind of Because do you get it? Like, do you get, like, why they did it? No, it's like, I get what they're saying, but I want, I want Jose Real to understand that a verbal agreement does, is an agreement as long as you can prove it. If the verbal agreement happens in front of a camera or recorded audio, whatever he, whatever Real agreed to with the Miami Heritage text would have stood, period. But you can't prove it. So this.

as as as as as as as tongue in cheek as it may be it's constant first of all it's not a real napkin nobody has like the if you can look at the two Hs on Miami heretics like you can tell that that's obviously

a computer that wrote it that way even the coffee mug thing yeah the coffee mug it's this back of the napkin it's it's I get it but he needs to understand but if it's in writing Jose yeah

even if it's in writing right again well obviously if it's in writing but I don't know they they need to understand that that an agreement is in agreement so wait is the coach is the coach agreeing with meretics right here like what does this come well this I mean he's saying but if it's in writing essentially saying yeah but this time it's in writing right he's saying verbal and this guy saying it's in writing obviously they can't show you the contract but the basis of the conversation is right there. No, that makes sense.

Yeah. Yeah, because they're just been trolling them the whole time. Yeah, he's like, the verbal agreement worked on someone. Like, dude, like, I don't even know what this means. Like, what do you mean it worked on someone? Like, they're going to pay this guy. Worked on someone. Like, I don't understand what he means by worked on someone.

I don't understand what he's trying to say here. Like, they're not trying to, they're not trying to fuck in. Do you know, do you know the whole thing with him? Of course. Oh, you do. Of course. of course but it's like

seller financing essentially let's say that I'm selling you this bottle of water and I'm going to sell it to you for $4 seller financing is you know what pay me $1 a year for the next four years

that I can see is like oh the seller financing worked on something right like obviously it's unfair to the seller it's fair to the buyer right because you get this for $1 a year for the next four years and I have to wait for my money that's that I understand

seller finance that worked on someone because there's a little bit of a of a of a cat mouse what about this let's say and this is like so random yeah but I'm just thinking of random shit like let's say you agreed with someone that you know

fucking fuck I can't even think of an example dude you get free you get basketball any basketball that you want any basketball that you want you only have to pay 10 bucks right and you verbally agreed with the guy right yeah verbal agree handshape or whatever and then some homie the next day

is like oh bro I'll give you two basketballs for only five bucks so then like Is it recorded? None of it's recorded Can you prove it? No Then no

So then you would go to the $5? But you put the same exact transaction In front of a camera or in front of an audio device You can argue in court That us Of course It's an agreement. That is.

If I'm selling you one basketball for 10, right? And you agree to buy it for $10. And I shake your hand, and we're not recording, you shake your hand and it's an agreement. A verbal contract has spoken agreement is legally binding, provided that it contains the fundamental elements of a contract such as a clear offer, acceptance, consideration, mutual intent to create a legal relationship and a legal purpose.

While valid, verbal contracts are more challenging to prove in court, due to the lack of a written record and certain types of contracts, like those involving real estate goods, et cetera, et cetera. Essentially, look at this, right? Look, I have this pair of glasses. I want to sell them. Shatia, I'll sell them to you for $10. And you say, cool.

All right. And then somebody comes to me, Riley comes to me and says, yo, I'll give you 20. I'll be like, I already made a deal with this guy. And then, yo, give him my money. Here's your glasses. I was like, hey, I bought two glasses from Bose for 10. So I don't need them no more.

Riley went and bought something else. I'm fucked. I wanted to get rid of these for $10. It's not fair to the org. Oh, okay. You know what I'm saying? No, that sounds. The org, the seller or whatever.

Yeah, no, that makes sense. Movie Star Coe kicked from the... Yeah, I didn't really know. It was like that. Of course, it's, again, if you can prove it, it's legal. Movies that coy kicked from Valor and VCT, Rumored to be replaced by By who?

By the gentlemaids Who got kicked? Oh, Toronto? Or like the K-I-L-A? Players from? So it was only players? Oh. I won the Rite Games

has terminated Movisarcois partnership agreement with the Valorin Champion Tour VCT EME following a breach of the team's contractual agreement with the league. Does not impact when we start in Koi?

Limited period of time. What was the grievance? we don't know what a grievance is wait they breached a rule with them a cond or something no fucking way obviously it had to be something so like it like a breach like let's say they had

this is obviously a very dumb extreme but let's say they had to they had to promote on their social media on their social media account x amount ibay yanos has called out ride games after muskats partnership agree i kind of think that the fact that gentlemenes could come back to the VC

has been crucial for riot. I feel like they made up any excuse to kick a team out so gentlemen's can regain their slot. They were relegated and lost their slot and I think they tried to kick out that team that deserves it most, Moviesarcoi, so gentlemen, so gentlemen is since in the league. What was he saying?

Like they needed them in the league to? I'm assuming I don't know how big gentlemenmates was in Valor. Yeah, okay. But I mean, if they do have the backing of France, then that's cool that is cool I can't even laugh wait go up a little bit

who is that that is not ibi no why is it skinner yeah dude yo shout out to him not that he fucking needs

any shoutouts but dude that's fucking that you can't buy you can buy a trainer but that's pretty good man um yeah i don't know

I don't know I think it's uh it's kind of fucked up If it is about that, it's fucked up. Bro, I cannot believe this guy. I don't really know how big he was before this. Right there on the right. Oh, shit.

Well, relax, yo. Well, not. I'm kidding. I made that what it was. My bad, my bad. No, that's tiffy, dude. Yeah, it is typical for sure. Hard work dedication.

Listen, there has to be something for, to say no to he by. You know what I'm saying? He's not a nobody. So there had to be something else that is in that. But if a team, like for example, any of those lower teams right now

that are not doing enough, like they could be replaced by somebody who's going to do more, right? Period. So anyway, that's, I'd like to know what the actual departure reason was. because he can't just be like, yeah, fucking, like, were they cheating? Were the managers cheating and the ownership group was aware of it?

Like, what was it that broke the deal? How did they breach that contract? I feel like Valer used to be fucking insane now. And also, I also think it's fucking, sorry, I also think it's crazy as an org for you to have contracts with players. And if the league, and I'm talking specifically from Optic, if the league decided one day to kick us out of the league, kick Optic out of the league, right? And they said all of your agreements with all your players are null and void. Like, who the fuck are you?

You can't. Yeah, how does that work? Yeah, exactly. You know what I'm saying? They just canceled a contract that I had with someone. Yeah. They were involved, but not really. It's my money I'm paying to them.

Dude. That's fucking crazy. Isn't it? That actually is. Oh man, if someone could do something about that. But that's essentially like what, I mean, I don't know how they can, like, I understand if you're a player and you're like, yo, I got a contract with movie star coy and then riot comes in and says, it's like, hey, just so you know, movie star coy cannot play.

So you got to get out of that contract. That's tortious interference on. I am theorizing here and imagining scenario. scenarios as to why. None of the things that I'm saying right now are based on any knowledge, any, based on any reality.

But it seems weird to me. You don't say that riot can be like, yeah, yeah, you don't have that contract. Bose, you don't have that contract without taking no more.

I was like, what the fuck? I only play in this league. My signature is with these people. Yeah. But then they're like, well, if you want to play,

you're going to have to null and void that shit. So now the players put in a sick position they're going to be like, man, I got to say fuck hacks and optic and I got to go fucking sign with somebody else. Like, yeah, that's good for me. But, you know, yesterday, Riot emailed us that urgent meeting was to tell us we were out of the league just like that with no previous notice. The decision is taken.

It's totally irreversible. What is the reason, though? Yeah. Okay. Sounds like this is where it gets funny, right? Neither party has set. If the league. If they fucked up, he would have said something.

If they did something out of... But I could see, that's what it's... That's what it's looking like, though. I kind of agree with... Not agree with him by, but... What he said about how they just booted him out, it looks like they were waiting on the... On their first mistake.

You just got them out of it. You know what I'm saying? They were just stalking them like, ahead. Fuck up. Yeah. As soon as you fuck up, you out. They pounced after they did the fuck up.

Hey, that's crazy. That's crazy. That's fucking insane. I don't know anything of it. It's the first time I'm seeing it. So I literally, I don't talk to this dude, never spoken to this dude. I don't, you know, riot and valorant. Like, I never handled any communications with them even when we did the merger.

Could it be so, like, if the org gets kicked out of the league, but why? The League of Legends is protecting the players, like, just case if they don't get paid or something like that. Yeah, what I'm saying? Like, if the team is depending on the league and they get kicked out and they have no more. Money? Like, not money, but like... Ability to make more.

Are they, like, protecting the player? Like, so he's not going to be complaining on Twitter in six months saying he didn't get paid the last three months of his contract. Dude, okay, listen. This whole, like, protecting the players thing, we fought for that early on, right? Man, I'm talking about the league. I'm just talking from the beginning when people were coming into e-sports and doing that, like protecting the players was the number one thing.

Because the players needed protection. There was no representation from a man. manager standpoint. There was no representation from an agent standpoint. There was, it was the wild, like the truly the wild, wild west. We're still in the wild, in the wild west, but it's not the wild wild west. And it was, and mind you, back then, the players were kids, right? They were fucking out of high school dudes, no, no sense of life. So yeah, they needed protection back then. For, for, of course. But now, like, you know, I don't, I mean, if, if, if this league is like an official thing, like, everybody has to have representation.

you're right though because back in the day it was well just saying you something whatever I had no contracts with nobody up until you never signed a contract with players yeah no I signed one that was just forever where where but I would you guys got me like

you know if it wasn't for optic wait when in champs of the one we play third you signed a contract what is well not that not with you guys I had a contract before I signed I was with Optic. Oh. And then you guys like we just figured it out.

You guys had a relationship with them. It was easy to move forward. Yeah, but I never had no contracts with like no players until the sale of Optic, really. That's crazy. That's actually crazy. I don't know. I don't get it.

I don't know nothing about Valerance. They're saying right there. It's like it's a breach of the team's contractual agreements with the league. But let me ask you something, right? then how come name any other team say Optic was still in VCT Optic cannot make Eby stream either you know what I'm saying

so if what I'm saying there is that what sort of contract did they sign where it put Eby in a position to say I have to stream this or my team is gone if he agreed and said he said he say hey please let us in

pick us over fucking this other team I'll personally stream five times a year. And the contract says, like, all right, hey, listen, we are going to let he buy it. He's big enough and he's going to co-stream it.

Tampoko I want to start in a league where the only value that is that right there's. There's it. I also don't want to be part of a league where the only value that we give them

is for me to stream and the rest it's per seigne. Oh, myrda, per don't. With Sergio Ferra were contentos sendio mates.

So that's what I'm saying. Right here. I rejected 500,000 an offer doing the Arabian co-stream. I don't know if it's because of that. Next time I'll do it, riot. Sorry. Ha-ha. Damn.

So it is that. Like, they were requiring him to stream. And he didn't want to stream. I mean, I think that's fuck too. That's crazy. Because that's his personal brand.

Personal brand and personal beliefs maybe. But yeah, like the fact that, again, this is where I was going with this. If I have a team, if Optic is in VCT and Eby doesn't want to co-stream my matches, do you see what I'm saying? Like, why is it? Like, it's mega unfair that his team is the only team that require. Yeah, yeah.

I don't even know how to explain it. And they're the only ones to have E-bye. So it's unfair that they're making them, like, where's their E-Buy? It'd be like saying, yo, if we don't host a watch party for the first quarter of next year, right to prove up whatever point they're like hey you guys can't be in the league no more because you're not co-streaming and then they cancel everyone's contracts

like what yeah but but you gotta think about like well nobody else is fucking co-streaming insane let's say we do this watch party and and and we replace the entire watch party crew with behind the camera people we'll put fucking Joey Riley fucking James and Roger to do that

and the league says no it's got to be it's got to be Seth it's got to be Zinian, it's got to be Mbo's or you guys are out of the league. Well, how is that fair to Optic if fucking 100thiefs can't provide that either? Yeah, I agree. I agree 100%. Again, I'm not in it. So I'm just speaking from fucking theoretical.

Even with that first comment says, like, there's no way these two teams should even be duking it out over as far as like popularity. They could have got someone else up out of there if that was the case. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So that's how I know they were, they were, they had them eyes out there. But it makes no sense because why the fuck? Would you, would you take a deal, a theoretical scenario in which you had a buy streaming

once a year to now never? That once a year is way better. If it, again, I don't know if it has to be with EWC specifically because why did he reject $500,000 offer to stream the Arabia, the Arabia event. Coldstream. I don't know if it's because of that. Next time I'll do it, Riot, sorry. 500 bands?

Dude, that dude had 8 million people watching his fucking fight. I can't even... 10 million. His fight? He alsoed a YouTuber fight. In which one of the owners of heretics... Live viewers, like on Twitch.

His whole chat was just... Prime. Prime. No, no, no, no, no. You don't get it, bro. It was... Like, I've never seen crazier things.

And he, like, he didn't even say, like, if you have a Twitch, it was just, f- He wasn't even talking. It was the pre-the-pre. Yeah, it was nothing going on. Like, it was during, like, during EWC. Yeah. Oh, dude, look at it. It was EWC.

What, I mean, I don't know if Valor was going on around the same, no, no, our shit was going on around the same time. Bro, and what's crazy is everybody was so mind-blown that they just buy just natural. They'd go to his Twitch and pull it up, like, what the fuck would be talking to chat? Band. Look, look, look, look. We watch it. Bad.

No sound. Watch, watch. Like, Twitch can't even register that shit, bro. Did someone just get 100? Bro, look at this. And it went on for hours like this. Holy shit. Bro, it was for hours like this.

Hey, yo. What the fuck? I don't think I'd ever turn my shit up. It's like a live stock market. Yeah, let's move on, Riley. Thank you for that. But anyway, yeah, look, e-sports as a stance today is not going to be what it is. And unfortunately, we have to go through all of the shit that we're going through

because we're building something and this something's going to be meaningful in the future. And it's better to get all the bullshit out of the way now so that we can have a bright future instead of waiting and waiting and waiting to fix this and then fix that. Complete re-haul. Let's make the best product possible available for the consumer, please. And anyway, that's going to do for this episode of the podcast. I want to thank everybody for tuning in. Thank you to my fellow co-host, Mr. Shati, Mr. MoneyBiscuit, and Scumper Jumper,

who made a small appearance, but we had to kick him off the podcast for obvious reasons. We'll see you guys next time. Peace, peace.