OpTic Podcast - Who’s On The Mt Rushmore of Sniping? | The OpTic Podcast Ep. 207

Episode Date: January 8, 2025

Today we have HECZ, Pamaj, Maniac and Dashy on to discuss the greatest snipers of all time and their favorite moments from 2024! Go to http://shopify.com/optic to sign up for a $1-per-month trial period. Go to http://rocketmoney.com/optic to cancel your unwanted subscriptions with Rocket Money. OpTic Gaming Merch: https://shop.opticgaming.com/ Check out the OpTic SCUF collection and use code “OpTic” for a discount: https://scuf.co/OpTic Check out the OpTic Podcast here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/optic-podcast/id1542810047 https://open.spotify.com/show/25iPKftrl0akOZKqS0wHQG 00:00 Sniper Mount Rushmore 23:00 Starting Sniping Clans 31:35 ADS 34:31 Shotzzy 1v1 vs Pros 47:00 Favorite moments of 2024 Who’s On The Mt Rushmore of Sniping? | The OpTic Podcast Ep. 207 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Yeah, yeah. Bro, I've always said this. I remember I'll never forget when I first saw Ant Playing. This is obviously Glaze. It's my good clip, rightfully so. But I remember the very first time I watched him play was on Black Ops Weren. I'm like watching his POV and I'm like, this is actually completely different. Like the way he thought about the game, the way he approached the game, the way he just everything.

Like his little movements, his left stick, the way he just Y wide. It was like everything was smooth and it was like max efficiency. But it was also like something that we've never seen moving at Mach 5. And I'm like, how the, I don't even know you can do that. Bam. All right. What is going on, guys. Austin or Optic Comanche here.

Whatever floats here. We don't want your intro. I'm doing my intro. Welcome to the 207th optic podcast. I got Maniac on the far left. I got Dashy Brandon from Tio. I got handed. Another great sniper hacks.

Wait, this is actually a legend day. Sniper line. We actually have like a Hall of Fame sniper lineup. Up until a certain point. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I was nice with this.

The sniper pod, though. That's crazy. Who would we get as like the fourth for like an actual sniper pod that we wanted to get a. Why is hex included in this? Cut him to. What? It's sniper. That's sniping.

I'm better than you're innocent. Listen, listen. Former Blake. Nothing that you see today. The way that you see it today would be the way that it is today. No, that's fine. I don't got to be included on this. Optic sniping.

I sometimes don't even include him. And he's also mean. That's so mean. That's so mean. Who is it? Hex. The thing is, it's like a. Dashy.

informal like all time yeah I got a predator all time well all time let me give you my my top five snipers of all time DTreats got Optic included optic optical only the optic yeah D treats is the best sniper that's ever played for optic is that and then and then I feel like I can trust Pam's the bro bro this guy played competitively he played in sniper lobbies second they got a chip hold on second yeah in second place or equal to D treats I would probably put Pam and then I would do Prid Thanks for the probably

Then Prud I don't know man Hold on hold on hold on hold on Predator was like the first guy fanboy Back in the video I missed He was handbra Maybe we should watch a video of his Like a three minutes

But you want to appreciate it because it's kind of If you watch it today It was pretty ass like if you compare it Matt like when you watch Go to YouTube But no I can't lie I remember watching after sure for the first time like this is the crazy

shit. You know, type D-Treeks. Type D-T-Rex. You got to understand. Like, everything that you know now, like, nobody knew that. You guys pioneered up. Nobody knew that you could do this or do that. You know what I'm saying?

D-Trekis. D-Tex. Even when you go back and watch Halo montages, they'll put in like double-kills and shit. Matt, let me ask you something. For fucking seven years that you've worked with me alongside me, next to me being my right-hand man. Have you ever seen me heard me or watched me spell hex with an E-X? You gotta put you gotta put pure bread out Matt you gotta put his pure bread because that one is so good from him

You fucking edited that with an X against CZ Matt C C C C C C C for X how mine every D T T T T T R man I'm I'm every Tracted D T R3 right now you're just the most clickable face on me in I don't even say I'm the every thumbnail I swear you know Brian stats that one dude that does like all like the Cod competitive stats bro he literally has a list I'm like first place Seth is number two. I think I'm like number three on that.

What's it like to be that hot? Like being in the thumbnails the most. What's wrong? All right. I'm going to tell you a story about this. Pam said they never put his face in thumbnails. Yeah, I was getting kind of pissed.

I'm going to tell you something about this one specific fucking video. Wait, this is your video? Me and Dietrich did our first ever dual tage. Pause this shit real quick, man. What year? 2009? 2009. Like, 1984?

Who knows that? Who knows that? So 2009. This guy, I'm like, yo, upload it to you. your channel and then we'll upload it to nation later he uploads it to fucking his channel within six hours it's got 75,000 views and I'm like yo it's wrong I'm like yo this shit's glitch I call hutch I'm like yo this shit's glitch he's like no it's not glitch man there's how many this shit's going fucking viral this fucking dumbie goes some for some reason goes to check the

analytics and fucking deletes the video how because he's a fucking dummy and And I am like, dude, that was about to hit millions of views guaranteed. Yeah, that was probably— Millions of views guaranteed. If in the first six hours back day, that's what it took to go Super Sonic. Damn, you let him upload it? Yeah, of course. You didn't care about it?

Dude, I've always been a given man. How much views that that one video you had, like the MW2 on? I think that— That was five-mil-plus, right? It's got like six. Yeah, that was going. Dude, everybody, like, doesn't gas what it took to make that shit. I had to drive to the ghetto.

Get my shit J-tag. I had to come back. I had two hours of recording time to give it to my editor, Jack 9, so that he can, so that he can fucking edit it through the night so that I can upload it. I uploaded on a Monday. On that Monday, every single person that uploaded Modern Warfare 2 content got, what's it called when deleted? Copyrighted. It got copyrighted because they didn't have the, what do you call it? A little white list.

Yeah, he wasn't whitelisted. my video, this video right here was the only one out of all of the videos across all of YouTube. That's kind of rigged. Yeah, hell, yeah, it was the fight. It was meant to fucking be. That's cheat.

I'm not going to lie, that title, I think Dash will agree. That title that you have on, it's pretty edgy. It's pretty, you know, optic heck sniper montage. Like, that's like clean as hell. Like, for no reason. Was it, bro, didn't Zergres have some shit

that was goaded back then, too? Like, I swear he had a montage. Oh, the Matrix. Yeah, the Matrix. Yeah, the Matrix. Bro, so sick. He was the one that invented like the overgrown no scope across the map. He's the one that he was the first one that I've ever seen Trickshot.

And he was trick shot in Caldory 2. He did a weapon switch. It was like a 180 into J in Tunisia. He jumps off and all that. And then after that, when Caldory 4 came out, the G shot was like he's the first one to discover how to fucking NoScope. In this, did he have like, you take the red pill? Yes. Like he had like voices.

Dude, or the voiceovers. He used, like, all the songs from, like, the Matrix movies. That sounded so good over a Cod montage. Back in, that shit hit, bro. Oh, my gosh, bro.

The thing is this, is that, like, he was there from Cawley 4, right? Like, you were around than Call 34? I wasn't, like, on YouTube and Cod 4. Okay, then never mind. Bro.

No, I'm not. No, no shot. Bro, that, that period of time was the greatest period. For me, the greatest, the greatest video game community experience I've ever experienced in my life. It was a, bro, yeah. That's like my Halo 2.

MW2. MW2. What year was that? 100%. Hot 4 was 2007. The intervention changed everything. The intervention changed my life. 2007 might just be the good.

Like, I actually genuinely believe that. The intervention changed your life? 100%. For me, it was the is the M-40, but if it wasn't for car 92, I'm sorry, wait, what the fuck? What am I saying? What is it?

Car 98? Car 98. Holy fuck I'm stone. I'm kidding. So the car 98, the car 98 on scoped was the one thing that put me on the map to do what I had to do

and call 34. So anyway, dude. I'm 483 was insanely clean though. It was clean. The way it re-lookeded, the way it's scope. Yeah, it actually would be the same like you had a mag on the bottom.

It's a top three sniper at worst, minimum. Like for me, it's number two. But like, Because the intervention will always be. I'm little biased towards it. Yo, I'm telling you, it was a time to be alive, for sure. Can we watch that?

Can we put on Optic Predator Fusion? That was the montage name. Fusion? Fusion? I'm pretty sure it's called Fusion. He's got a copyrightist, man. No, no, no, it's not. You're good.

You could just don't put, just. No, I thought it was. Predators. Oh, it was edited by Fusion. Edited by Fusion. That's what it was. Optic Predator. Yeah.

I thought, look, how much views this have? 8.3. Do you remember when his channel? My got shut down. So your shit has more. Bro, this was the coolest shit. Bro, when I was a kid watching this, you know what's crazy,

he's looking back at this, I'm like, why did I even think this was good? Because it is good. No, but back then it was insane. But like, if you look at it, I'm like, the bar was so low, but like what people were doing, like you didn't even know that you could do

with the sniper, which is why like the pioneers, you know what I'm saying? Halo montages now, it's just overkill, killtacular, fucking like seven kill straight. Back then, it was just like,

four knotss in a row. From like medium range. Or hit a sniper. You hit a sniper. You had a sniper or get a double kill. Yeah, yeah. And you were like, oh my God, this guy's good. Bro, I thought this shit was so cool with like the editing.

And then he's like, no, the editing was. So clean, bro. Ahead of his time. Like, this was like a game changing moment. The editing, the theme, bro. Like to have this crazy thing. Where did he go? It was so nuts.

He has a life. That's a fusion. Like, was he on, did he go out on top? Or did it kind of like, fizzle? He went on top. My man, Logan fucking Kisling, yo. Then he passed the reins to me. He was like, here you go.

the keys to the city and then and then Pam left to phase and then came back to optic and then left to optic and then left to face and then came back to optic he told me yeah there's the optic hex quo back to opc pred told me to leave optic and go to phase so uh... that he left the phase I got his blessing left the phase and went back up bro this is so cool that I remember seeing oh my god like like he the bro I swear right here you don't even see misses any but back then you're like you remember people used to do that they fucking

missed they'd like they would knife to like you know he played on uh on inverted on a what he he played inverted like tv see anners no no no inverted like if you move up on your joystick why he's a weirdo but he was him so i can't say shit see the thing about him is that i i think he was like the first one to do day tages and day tages was the thing that put him on and even i was fucking this is so cool like just like this one no scope bro i'll put that today he'll be like what the fuck are you doing like but back then i'm like holy they just make it look cool Yeah. And it was harder to hit back then. But no, no, but you didn't need...

Regular controllers, the low FBS, like, everything, the input delay. Like, bro, the lobbies were so normal back then. Yeah, like, oh, dude, I swear a Codda was, like, back then. To play these lobbies again would be so fun, bro. I do, I do think, like, how many people out there, like, if you played in that era with what you know now... Oh, my God. People think you're cheating. You'd be a multi...

You'd be a prozillionaire. Yeah, you'd be popping, like, 200. If you could 10 to travel, you would just... Like this shit, bro, like, I remember back to, I'm like, oh my God, but nowadays you do that. Yeah, if you try to do that, that guy's sound horrid or something. Or they're taking you hostage, actually, I guess. Sniber's really fucked with S&D. Did they just want, like, the kill cam?

Okay, now, now, top five, top five snipers of all time in Call of Duty, including Pro mod. Pro mod. Let me guess. Stevie. Stevie Nine Lives is the greatest sniper montage that has ever been made. Stevie Nine Lives is a great. greatest montage that's ever been made.

I'm biased towards comp snipers. Steve E9 Live. Charisma's the best sniper ever seen. Who? Charisma. It's a dude named RM Charisma. He was also an M483, M483 Krasmo. Wait, he was an optic.

His name was, I think he was happy pills, wasn't he? Might have been. I know he was an M483 with Rated, envy. Yeah, charisma. I think, happy pills. Wasn't it? Wasn't charisma and optic? I have no idea.

He was an M483. I know rated was. I always thought M483 was like affiliated with Optic. They were like, They were. They were. Yeah, Raid. Fuck, I just, I literally just talked to rated fucking on DMs, fucking two days ago.

Yeah, my charisma. This right here. Turn the shit up, man. Let's just watch the-tech dash nine.org. Dude, it's so good. So ahead of its time. Like, all of it was just being invented, bro. It was so good.

This is the first time I've ever seen quality like this in Call of Duty because they were playing on PC. And I'm like, how the fuck. Do they make it look? I thought PCCod got introduced like five years ago. Bro, I get recommended like a bunch of like PC ProMod matches on YouTube now. People are still playing him. The first time we heard a catcaster? Like a movie.

Dude, I'm telling you this shit like this was so raw back then. It's still raw. This job was mind-blowing. Yeah, the quality was way better. What the fuck? How is the quality still this good? Because the PC. The quality today is not this good.

Yeah, dead ass. What the fad rather? What did they render this at? this guy's fucking no the thing i don't know man that makes that you go back and watch halo shit you can't even like see what's going on bro look at this all of this was revolutionary like this changed the game in the states like montage is elevated because of this shit those top-notch multimedia guys like we're fucking oh oh that was tough now this is this is all land and and pro matches oh really yeah

and we wonder why shit's g8 now and we wonder why shit's g-aid now This shit was so cool. Why? Just like why. It could be like this. But it won't ever be. Nobody wants to die like that. No.

Just die like that for your... Someone needs to grow some balls and be like, I don't give a fuck about the GAs. Like, we're running... We're running snipers. You know who I think should do that shit? The greatest sniper of this generation, Mr. Brandon Dash.

You gotta do it, man. You gotta start a revolution. I'm not even going to say anything. I'm not going to say anything. I'm not going to snipe. time my teammate either. All these thumbnail. Can you watch left?

I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll just snipe it. This is where I got that two piece on Seth and fucking maniac. I remember that. You felt like you made that. You felt like this clip. No, that was actually like. I remember that clip too.

That wasn't even no bullshit. That was like actually a decent clip. Well, but especially put into consideration that I didn't play that game at all. And that was the first time holding that sniper. Just predict. So it was just natural for you? It's natural, dude. But he just knows.

The blue, bro, the blue tiger camo? Night vision. Get out of here, man. Let's get to the fucking podcast. I do like the fact that we had that conversation. You want to do, we should do a sniper podcast. Do it. And the way we just review fucking like shit.

Because there's so many. There's so much moments. People submit clips. Catha. I honestly thought she was 15. I mean, obviously like very outdated, right? And European. Video goes hard though.

Video goes fucking hard. We should do a, a podcast. I guess where we just reviewed that. Was it Mazurini? Maserini. Oh, my God, yeah. Mazurini with Gravity, Maserini with... Played with Soul.

Oh, yeah, play with Soul, dude. That one's insane. Yeah, that one. Jail bait by Cathar. Turn out. Turn out shit up, Matt. Let the boys hear the shit. Button basher's so good.

I didn't watch this. I can't want. Yeah? I don't even know what this was. You've never seen this? Never. Know your roots. Bro, this soundtrack goes so great.

There's like this community where the montage is, there's like trick-shotting, there's comp sniping where I came from, and then there's people that just like casually do it, I guess. I feel like the sniper community was massive back then. It was bigger than the actual like rank or regular players. Dude, this video is insane, dude. This video is insane. Look at the moon in the back.

That is so cool. We were mind-blown at all this. Wait, when did this drop? Probably like 2009. Oh my god, 2010. 14 years ago. What? This is a...

This is actually ahead. Are they on PC or are they on controller? Not PC. The controller, though? Not PC? You couldn't play with a controller back then on PC. Oh my God. Wait, these montages are mouse and key?

Yeah. What? I didn't even know Cod was like on PC. I don't even know it was on PC either. Competitive Call of Duty 4 was on PC. Meesh. All the PCL stuff was like not even close to the competition level. Such a drippy sniper, bro.

Oh my God. The R-700, I used that a lot too, but just the way, why, why, the way no scope, the way reloaded. It was, why can't we have this nowadays, man. Bro, the jump spots that these guys had were fucking incredible. Wonder if SLP, damn, that's crazy. I wonder if SLB. Dude, SLP definitely knows all of these videos. Who?

SLP. Who's that? He made the catalyst to. The catalyst to. Yeah. But like I just saw like a cinematic in this. Oh my God. Back to back.

No scroops. Bro. Come on, man. Look at this. There's so, and like any, any montage by Katha like was fucking insane. Dad. Dad. And then we had our own editor that was like a, a guy that just edited, blew up just on the editing.

Look up Joe Handsome with a zero J zero E handsome. This guy was editing and he kind of snipe a little bit. but he wasn't like a like a sniper sniper so all he did was like try to get some clips or his edits and he was insane he's a ps3 player joe handsome if you can't find him then don't even worry about it but he went on to make like music videos and some other shit i think but this is like there's so much hidden gems for like the newer people that are just watching like yeah that's what i'm saying we should we should we should literally sit there and and like watch what do you call not watch party but like uh you should go over bro there's right there's right there

Color theory, they is, Dragonfly. Do color theory all the way at the top. This, dude, what? Why are you rolling your eyes? Is you sick of this shit? Like, this is not the way that you thought this podcast was going to go. Put on shook one. Halo 2.

All right, we'll do that one next. Like, a lot of people don't know that these guys pioneered, like, what is today? You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, the same, man. Dude, this is literally like a dying art. I think I wouldn't even say dying, I'm still doing it, but like, nobody doesn't like this. I'll tell you what. In general.

Which made, like, I guess a. decent amount of the community. So before this game came out, I'm like, if the sniper's good, what I want to do is I want to get, like, I want to do these kinds of montages where it's, it's more about the holistic, uh, artistic expression of just the, the edit and the shots more than just getting a fucking quad feed. You know what I'm saying? Which is like, okay, cool.

You can aim super quick and to say, but like, where's the creative? Dude, like, these lot of these are so funny to look at that. Let's, let's get on, let's get on topic now. Let's run it. Let's see. Let's see the Shook one. Revolutional. I mean, we don't got to watch this. I'd probably do, like, bragging rights?

Fragging rights, that's good. That's a good name. Who had the best, like, montage? Is it this guy? Mine, I used to walk around the stage. Who's top five Halo montages to you? I don't even know if I could name five. But I mean, makers shook one Walshie.

Lethal had good ones. There was like a lethal informal one that was really good. Oh, yeah. Matching me. I think Frosty named one that was really good. Dude, Frosties. Exit wounds. You can fast forward through the

intro, man. Look at this, look at this. Oh, okay. Dude, when that 3D. This is like 2005. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you gotta think that's 2005. You see Dark Vigito?

You see that Dark Vigito? Wait, turn it up because his friends are watching it and this is their reactions. I saw that one's like, what the? Amy was actually. They should start talking about it. That's where giving was so cool back then. Damn, strong side.

You know what's crazy? Like, back then, like, these were the nerds though. Like, we were all nerds like playing this. You know what I'm saying? Nobody fucked with it. But I feel like gaming's so mainstream now. Yeah. These guys were probably like...

But to me, this is the coolest era. To me, you know what I'm saying? Easily. Easily. Is they not talk about it? Where'd that clip go? Yeah, you got to run it back. All right.

Yeah, this. Thanks, man. How did you edit something like? Did you do that? No. That's ridiculous. I didn't even like the way game shot sounds. No, there's no...

Even game channels don't even sound like that sounds the same. I don't know who that dark Vigito dude is, but I do know dark sniping clan. They got shit on. I mean, we don't have to watch this. Thank you. But I don't know how he... Like, I still don't even know how he did that.

You're going to spectator mode. There is no spectator mode. Like with Halo, there is nothing. There's just... So maybe... Maybe somebody else, like, jump sideways and then you remove... You sort of just like spectate with your pistol.

Could have been like hard... Did it have hardcore or was it swat? where it didn't have a HUD. I mean, it was just like team hardcore, I think, what he was playing. There's a regular playlist. There's always a way. Like, I don't think there was a dude behind him

and they got his POV and zoomed it in. Maybe. That's how everybody did it. I don't know. Maybe you didn't do it, but the editor certainly did to get that BRO. I mean, I guess there's some kind of way. Maybe, I don't know.

I genuinely don't even know how he pulled that off. But I remember seeing that and be like, what? I used to make, um, because back then for like split screen. and system link and stuff you could just create a profile not everything had to be an account with an email address you could just like create a profile and i made an r s shook one profile spelled it his exact name took his exact emblem and would just like run around the map throwing stickies and shit just by myself like i'm not even online just offline like i just wait i did that with shook one

like walshi uh 3d ogre two which was like his first team yeah like dude i was such a fan so you know that you know my 1944 battalion montage yeah so that was supposed to be a dual tage with hutch and it was like a weeks weeks worth it's like he didn't do shit he's it was this fucking idea it was his fucking idea too

dude dual tage but like I'm not gonna do shit no because he had like good intentions but he just didn't have the skill he's hitting leftovers it was such ever good Seth hutch that's so so see if we go back to like the

the genesis of all of this thing. When we started the first ever sniping clan and competitive sniping as a whole, we caught the attention of everyone that was making montages because we were like competitive sniping, right? Like, and people had no interest in regular call-a-duty competitive, and people had no real... What's competitive sniping? Dude, I'm telling you right now, that was the best shit. I've till this day is the most fun ever had playing cod

competitive. Not even. What is that? You're just playing regular, but it's like four before set matches. I don't know if it's like, was it different back then, but at least as how it was when I first started playing 2010.

It was four before. And you could only click scope. If your heart scope, you got a warning, quote unquote. And then if you did it again, you forfeited the map. And it was the best of three, you play literally a headquarters.

And then I think a CTF or like you, they just pick the, the map. So it's just regular cod. You just, it's sniper starting with it. Look up up pro frags. And help was on minuscule.

No nades. Man, that's actually kind of dope. Hacks pro freaks. Yeah, so we caught the attention of everyone. One of those dudes was Hutch. Hutch sent me a DM once and he said, I'm your Huckleberry saying that he wanted to play me in a 1V1. And at that point, like everybody was playing their one.

And Huckleberry was from a very good movie called Tombstone, right? I'm your Huckleberry. Wow, Johnny Ringo. You look like somebody walked all over your grave. Don't know. Fies not with you, Holiday. I beg to Diffis. We started a fight.

We never got to finish. Don't know. Play for blood. Remember pro frags. Let me see how you. ProFrags. Milked for them on that. Yo, Matt, can you choose that and do that thing that you did with a comparison of the thumbnails?

Please. Damn, we're getting, we're showing the secrets. Not Matt is. Live on pot on the pod. Okay. Okay. Okay. Anyway, so Hutch was good.

But Hutch was the first one to become like, to. to break out of that small community and started bringing other people from just a regular people, right? So he was like, would you say that Hutch was like one of the main superstars back then? I'd say so.

He's the first person I followed on Twitter and everything. You looked up to Hutch? I didn't look up to him. I knew of him and everything like that. So obviously, I respected Hutch. Did I look up to him? I really, I think he really, really did change the game

when it came to like commentaries and stuff. I thought he was just like your boy. No, no, no, no. We became friends. He's a legend in the scene? Yeah. Hell yeah.

You know who is. You know, a collagery legend in the scene yet? No, who was a legend? I don't know if you guys remember this dude. His name was Zirka, bro. Yeah, Zirka? Yeah, I think he was Zirka. Bro, look up Zirka.

Sidman? No, no, look up his ship, bro. I promise you this guy's montage till this day. Dude, to this day, he's murdering it. He's sideman. Is he still doing it? He's excited. Wait, that's him?

What? Dash? You didn't know that? I thought he was just like a... Yeah, Zirka, that's some good... That's some good props, though. Wait, I actually thought he was just like some like... That was the Zirka, man.

Not Zirka, dude. No, Zirka was... Bro, his shit back then was different. I don't know he was still like... Bro, he had the original, like, I guess you could say final kill cams. Yeah, no, no. What do you mean the original final kill cam? Like, I mean, I was all like, you know,

face... Mottish two montage, but he was doing the final kill cams. How did that group... I thought Hector was doing the top five kill cams, which... I think it's that one, Galvan. Well, yeah, everyone was... You know, you can argue. 14 years ago, fucking 1.4.

Bro, his shit was different. Get to it, man. Get to it. Look at, bro. His shit was so, like, bro. Back then I was like, he was like kind of raising the bar. Dude, yeah.

Imagine being the guy standing there. Like, he's like, I just love, like, the original calling card and emblem. Like, everyone had like that. Yeah, yeah. That shit's so cool, bro. Dude, if you could go back with your skill today. Oh my God.

They would think I'm like, dropping kairi back into like the 60s you know what i'm saying they'd be like dude this guy's being black magic would they think you're reaps dash yeah yeah what if they see right through it they're like this guy's not from this generation see that's what i knew that shit was changing when when dudes when dudes were were pretending to be uh that's a dude right in the end it wasn't a female right i mean probably dude to the day nobody knows nobody like really knows but i think it's pretty obvious like yeah like but nobody knows who they are though yeah yeah but it's kind of crazy to think about it yeah by then i was already like

on my on my on my esports arc yeah you left you left the optic snapping team in the dirt i i i knew that there was something here and look worth worth worth kids uh so yeah zirka still going around bro still i don't i don't even know he's got uh zirka legend man all those dudes were legends man fucking uh reaps you remember that dude dude we just we were just we were just talking about reaps. Really? It wasn't a girl. It was a dude.

Oh, that's what you guys are talking about. From the future, though. That dude was so good for no reason, so early. Like four years before people got good. Like the original, like, bro, like triple collats were the norm for him. It was insane. Like five, six is and shit. Let me guess on showdown coming down the tunnel.

Anyway. Yeah, he was wrong. What was the name of his little group? There was like three dudes that played on that. Do you remember that? It's like three snipers that they were making montages together. Like, like, not sure. Hearing an account or anything.

No, no, just three different snipers. And they made a tritage. And it was like them. And they called themselves something. And like, they never, I was like, man, they're going to go places. I literally said these guys, if they continue to do this shit, they're fucking going to blow everybody out of the fucking water. So hard to remember, man.

I don't know. It was a good time, though. I don't think that what do you think made, made it so so like big right because it's so different it was so different you think it was just because it was new that everybody's like the explorative nature of young kids when given the right tools to just fucking granted i wasn't one of the kids which is why i wasn't creating this crackhead shit but i wish i did i think honestly i think a lot of it was like the songs bro like songs and music had a lot to play with it

because you get to see what the player would want over their clips and all that but like everyone shares you know like similar music taste and whenever you that's how I got into this like I saw Predator use like fucking

thousand foot crutch which is like a Christian band that only my grand would let us listen to Christian music for and so when I saw his clips over thousand foot crutch that I listened to like when I was a kid in elementary school I was like

what the fuck I want to do that I want to do that So you could imagine, like, that's just how so many people were, like, watching these montages and all that. Yeah. And then I heard, and then you were doing, like, the free for all, the free for all challenges and all that.

And then who's the guy? Brand new Knikes. Matlock. Matt Lock. Yeah. Thought out Matlock. That was Matt Lock, man. Different people always had different music tastes.

Like, shook one, who I thought he was like, yeah. The cool pro, like, got the Dr. Pepper Chicks and shit. He was playing, like, and his montages were, like, hip hop and shit. I was like, this is my fucking. Hooked, right? I'm not even, it wasn't even about the clips almost. It was just about like.

Music. Yeah, just the music and like the aura of the person that I'm watching. I know it's like their aura that they poured into this project. So I have a new series that I'm launching next year. I got the final pieces for it. I'm going to play 90s music to Brandon and Shatsy. And it's, you know, like the, I already heard half of it when I was in the car. Like gnaz fucking biggie

Yeah but you haven't What about Listen I'm not gonna tell you who So that you don't go look at him Rock Kim Oji rat No no not Listen I got it all set up

It's gonna be fucking awesome The the setting is gonna be dope Like it's all is Is done You're gonna fucking Are you gonna put you motherfuck I right now It's gonna be like bro

This shit's so mad I'm saying Yeah It's gonna hit you there He's like who this That is funny to see that Oh really? Who's this?

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Dude. Yeah. It's gonna be good though Actually I don't might Wait which one is this Yo I'm gonna tell you You remember that one time Okay so the

The fucking Black Ops 4 Sniper clip that you had That we had in that snowy map Or maybe Black Ops 3 maybe That you had Oh what was it a bot free for all? Yeah Yeah

So that one When I saw that one the first time I'm like I'm like I'm not even It's not even about me not being that good That's just different I was watching shots He played one V1s

Against pros yesterday On his on his channel bro this guy is insane there's something wrong with him yeah yeah bro i've always said this i remember i'll never forget when i first saw an airplane this is obviously glaze this might get clip rightfully so but i remember the very first time i watched him play was on black ops where and i'm like watching his p o v and i'm like this is actually completely different like the way he like thought about the game the way he approached the game the way he just everything he like his little movements his left stick the way he just why wide it was like everything was smooth and it was like max

efficiency, but it was also like something that we've never seen moving at Mach 5, and I'm like, how the, I don't even know you could do that? And I don't even know you could get there. The amount of times I'm literally his team, I'm like, you could do that? Like, it'll be fucking, we'll be in May and I'm like, oh, I don't know you can do that, good shit. Like, you know what I'm saying?

He could do this. I'm like, I ain't doing that. I saw him hold a controller yesterday. He doesn't hold the controller the way that I hold a controller. How does he hold it? I'm going to tell you something, right? Like, if I have the controller, my hand is on this controller like this. Yeah.

His hands on the controller are like this. Like a feather almost. Right? Yeah. He's like when he was, he's gingerly holding. I grip my shit. Yeah. No,

not him. He's gingerly holding. Yeah. I got a couple of nails. But he's gingerly holding this controller. Yeah. It barely moving like the, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, that's the secret. So yeah.

I have man hands, his sweet, supple, soft hands. You know what I think it is too? I think Anne when also he plays, I think he also gets lost in the game in a good way. Like he actually probably thinks he's this in-game. character when he's fine. Like when he's producing like excursion like adventures. Yeah literally. Like to him this is like

a first one player or story game. Yeah. And he's just like. I'm telling me. Gaming to him he goes into his little hub and it's like he enters a new world. Yeah. And then I could just tell by the way he plays. I'm like I could know. But again like I've seen this guy play for like the past

three years, four years, right? Like two in first person. But when I saw him like playing the pros like he's just constantly laughing too. Yeah. And then I watched that's when you stare losing it. You start hearing him laugh. It is crazy. I literally, and I told him, I'm like, yo, I'm like, yo, I'm like, yo, you see the game differently.

Like, it's, it's crazy. Because I've been since 2005, I've been seeing Call of Duty. Since 2005, it's been in front of me. And I've never seen no shit like that. I feel like there's only been a few players like that. Like, there's always a player that kind of, like in like 2007, it was snipe down. It was like, this motherfucker don't miss. Like, hold on, we haven't seen this before.

Then I think in like 2011 or 2012, it was formal. Then formal switched the cod and even showed it in that game as well. And it's just like, what the, this dude's smartest shit and he doesn't miss. And he plays, not aggressive, but like, Snipe Down played a little slow,

but he just didn't miss. And it was like something we never saw before. Then it was like an upgraded version of formal. Then we got like, Frosty, and I can't really speak for, Call of Duty. Then we got Frosty. He was like, doesn't miss. Aggressive as fuck. Slides takes risks.

It is his crazy movement. And then you get Shotsie. It's just the combination of everyone. He makes the game look different. Even if I was to sign on the map and not even shoot, just try to move like him, like it would be impossible. I would have to be able to do it. That's the thing that's so unique about his POVs.

He's like, you can genuinely try to mimic every movement and it's impossible, which makes no sense. There could be nobody watching in the room. Because he's, it's because he's not holding the controller. The controller is holding him. Yeah, it's just moving on its own. The controller is sitting on his hands. He's not,

I was watching him claw and it was, it wasn't like his finger was like jabbed up like this. Like, tank, tank, tank, tank. Like it was like, his finger was just relaxed on the button. Yeah. This is what freaked me out.

This is what freaked me out. Because he was like this. What the fuck? Watch his fucking thumbs. Like if that's me, I'm like this. I'm clinging. I'm like kind of pushing my.

my hands together now like my my I bring up the scoreboard just because I sometimes twist the fucking controller and and in and in that cause a short circuit is there bro this guy's like this this guy probably doesn't mean he played they probably just play they honestly like I do feel like I was some more soft around the controller like in 2012 2011 but like over the time I'm just like clinching for somewhere the worst I got the hard I clenched the what what happened with banks Jack Doherty. I saw a little bit over last night. I have no idea. Formal's 30. First off, that's fucking insane. Wait, well, go back, go back. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Happy birthday to my fucking.

Brother. His birthday's today today? I think 30 is crazy. 30 is crazy. 30, yo. 30 is still dominating. Yeah, I'm going to lie. There was a whole for a while. It was like, yeah, 24, you kind of start dipping off. Then 27, you got to retire. I'm glad that he's still ripping. So it's some inspiration. You know what I'm saying. That myth is being debunked? Well, I think the C's goal guys were like the first ones to push the limits of the age on that.

But yeah, happy birthday to my boy formal. So such a legendary fucking figure in all of e-sports. That's Miyagi. Yeah, he's respected across everything and well-deserved. Okay. So getting into this Jack Doherty shit. I wonder how much banks paid in taxes last year. I know bro makes no money these days.

I don't know why he even has my name. What was his point of the tweet? How did it start? How does it just start to do that? I'm sure banks was. So banks fired off. I don't even see banks. Whoever asked that question.

Kind of set this all up, though. Okay. That's a good question. It's a great question. Who gave birth to banks and who gave birth to Jack Dordy because they are at fault? And who gave birth to them? Yeah. Well, no, no, but who gave birth to them?

But who is this kid? Is this kid just gives me TikTok guys? Oh, here we go, here we go. Whoa, it's easily jacked or there are certain people, certain streamers and especially like kick streamers and shit. I do get like a evil energy when it comes to them. To who? Like their whole.

To who it comes to. It's got to be jacked ority. It's got to be jacked ority. I'm probably going to jacks a piece of shit. Um, everybody knows it, obviously. Jack's the go. Jack's the goat is fucking crazy. I'll probably go.

I'll probably go Jack Doherty too, you know. Buy me at the end of the day, though. He's like, not. Okay. This shit's so cringe, though. So he says that and then Banks says, you sold your girlfriends online for peanuts. Rugged.

Oh, rug pulled pump fund meme coin for 10K bags. So I was saying that for $10,000 around $50,000, whatever, several $10,000 bags, not hundreds of thousands. He rugged pump fun streamed to bots. Okay, so he insulted all of his community. I simply bought Mog at $12 million. I literally saw him posting this year ago. I think he's trying to say he buys viewers. Oh, uh, uh, uh, and then this guy says, uh, 9.5 million to face banks, face media.

25.5 steak okay uh and then what so this guy went after him and said i have more real estate than you have in worthless mog yo this is so cringe dude like people genuinely care about this rage bro no no like i swear to god like whenever i see people oh did you see this do you see this beef argument like to me it is so cringe it's the biggest waste of like even energy to even look towards you know what yeah let's move on no i swear to god i'm down to move i can't i could care less about shit like this i can't imagine i can't imagine I imagine having that money and even

considering having these conversations with like another person. Yeah, like Twitter. Oh, dude, you have more followers? I'm not responding to fucking banks and going back and forth. It's just so cringe.

But I mean, I don't know. When you get up there, maybe your brain just starts wanting to fire off a motherfuckers. You ever want your ego gets big and you're like, let me show these motherfuckers. I don't think so.

I think you're just that way. It's misguided youth, man. Is another thing. That's another thing I don't care about. Hock to, bro, this is another thing I cannot stand when I see on my TL.

I'm like, how are people giving this shit like attention? It's insane to me. Well, not even to be a hater, but like, I'm being a hater.

How are people fucking... Well, the Jacktoardies and banks and all these kick streamers and other streamers and people will be like, who the fuck watches them? And it's like,

I get why people watch them. It is entertaining. They're fucking psychotic. And they do insane shit. all the time and they act a certain way and they talk shit with and they have bodyguards it's a fucking it's a it's

purely insane it's psychopathic which to me is so cring it's literally psychopathic but Hock Tua I don't know how this she became what she came I don't get it either that's one where I genuinely don't get

not and I'm not trying to sound like a hater but I just don't I'll sound like a hater I don't understand When he just walked in, we were just talking about him. Whoa, what is that timing? What are the timing? What is the man? How gingerly he holds that control.

We just broke down. We broke down the physics. Look at his movement to the move. Yeah, even look how he's moving to the fucking. Soft feet. Like when he walks. He's got deadie pop. He's got dead he popped.

Like fucking sender. Yeah, with the door dordy, doordy guy. I also just, man, for a long time, I was anti all of this, like, all that drama shit. So when I saw this, I'm like, Banks, at least I know Banks personally. So I want to say, and I know that he don't go out of his way to just start beef with anyone. But for anyone to brag about like their paper or like the only thing that I'd be jealous of is youth.

You know what I'm saying that? That's it. Just being young. I mean, but aside from that, like, he is like 22. Fais Banks reveals his personal amount rush more of streamers. And he got. Adam Ross, Rice, Rish, Tifu, and Plack Boy. No Kai Sinat is crazy.

Yeah, no Kai's going. Rice gum was running that shit on valid. He's not wrong about him running shit on MLG.tv. Is it happy to explain? Rice started streaming on MLG TV in 2013. Black boy, this is just bias. Max? Yeah, those are like all his boys.

Those are all phase members. They are. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I would do. In reality, I'd say Kai. Got to be Kai. Ninja. Show speed.

You got Kai, ninja. I show speed, bro. I wouldn't even see scum. Speed's got to be up there, bro. Kai Ninja Wait Who else did he have You had Aiden Ross

I'm gonna I'm gonna You're picking people that aren't gamers It's just streamers though Okay I have Seth and Mata I have Seth and Mata I have Seth and I'm gonna say

If I'm saying just streamers It's Kai It's Aiden Ross Who I'm sure I say Ninja And then I feel like those three Have to be on it And then I think you got to say speed

You gotta say speed bro Like Yeah I was going to say someone, but like, he got, he everywhere. We could go back. Was there a huge streamer that we're forgetting about that deserves to be on that? I mean, bro, for a while, right? Ninja, you said.

Ninja, yeah, but I'm thinking like 2015 streamer or some. Shroud. I put Summit. Shroud might be in there. Okay. Summit. Summit, summit for sure. Dumbus O.G as hell.

Can we, can we take a moment, since this is the last podcast of the year, can we take a moment and reflect on the best moments? for each of us in 2024. All right, y'all go first. Okay, I will go first. I, Japan, going to Tokyo for the first time ever in February of this year.

That's probably my favorite moment of all. Like, seeing it for the first time, experiencing it for the first time. It was. That ain't fair. He won champs. Yeah. But, like, honestly, if I didn't,

like, a moment that's probably a little bit better, not better than champs, but it's equal to it just because I don't know if we win champs. Damn, I'm about taking back champs. The 1B3 against phase at Toronto. Oh,

yeah. Just knowing the competitive scene and like just being competing for so long, like I don't know if we, I don't want to like, again, this is kind of maybe self-diffing, but I don't know if we have the champs that we did if we don't win Toronto

because they kind of enabled us to give us a confidence. You know what I completely agree. So that's why like that moment, because I just know that holy shit if we lost that series that, again, phase we go down seven oh like serious count they reverse sweep us on land to losers finals we think we finally are about to beat him and then they just do that but i just know like holy shit we would have got like maybe we could have been broken as a team but that's why that moment i was

like in a way fuck what you know what i mean no i completely agree i see what you're saying um pam do you got one i don't know bro to i've been not like these guys have been sitting there saying i've been trying so hard to think of one man for sure champs is though uh this was a dope moment but I like what you for me for my for another moment another moment is when uh nade moved to moved here that's another another solid moment scum sweating was a was a really gum sweating was dope yeah yeah that might have to be mine scum sweating besides that i mean every year i just try to get a little better with everything whether it be fitness making a little more or being a little more consistent with streaming,

not getting less drunk and actually showing up to content. And I think this year I've done all of that. I think I've improved in 100% a lot of different ways this year. So it's not really a favorite part of the year, but 2024. I don't really have a favorite part

besides the wedding in Italy, Scumps wedding, because that was fucking dope. That's my favorite part. But as far as just 20, 24, in general, I think just like improving in different little things. Try to improve every single year. I feel like since I got

out of rehab, I have improved every single year as far as bettering myself overall. Like stat points overall. I don't really have like a favorite part of the year, to be honest with you. I can't think of one specifically, but I think I'm more happy with just like it feels like I'm getting back into my flow of content grading though.

I agree. I think that I guess not even like part that act that activity that action yeah I'm very happy but yeah going into all of it so not that 20204 has been a very very very very very good year uh you know all the drama and shit like to the side like it does it's not even worth a a mention or a thought so I don't know I'm uh I think I think I'm good anything that you guys are looking forward to for 2025 year resolutions what is I like that I'm getting fucking I'm getting one more ring I'm gonna give me one more

I'm uploading a fuck ton and I'm getting a trainer okay that's what I want dude you have a trainer right there you guys our content creators create content you know uh he ain't gonna pay me enough he's paying you as a subject for your videos thank you thank you

he doesn't want to do that though he probably lives 50 minutes for me you you chose to live so far away You chose to live in bumfock. No, this is closer. In solitude and peace. He chose to live in a nice neighborhood. How far are you, Pan, from here?

I'm like 15 minutes from here. Me and Bo's about to run the city. Yeah. Wait, you guys are still downtown? That are still in the city. I just moved downtown. Downtown's fire. I can't lie.

I like it sometime. Until you drive here. It sounds. Wait, so New Year's resolutions. Mine actually is. I know I've been saying this since I was 18. Plus, I have invisible. Oh, you just started?

Yeah. You can even tell When I tried to visualize the first time Dude no you're not I didn't even notice it I didn't even notice it right now you said it When I did invisaline when I was vlogging Because I was vlogging I stopped

Because you're like talking so much And it like Not that you can feel it moved But it's just a constant tightness on your teeth It's just fuzz up your whole flow I know man I know what you mean I know what you mean

I know I know I've been saying this since I was 18 But I got to get abs Man I got to dye it down I got to shred. I got to get the pictures. I got to get the lighting. I got to, I want to start some kind of like personal training shit online or something.

That's really my main goal. That and stay consistent with streaming and optic content. But besides that, that's all on my mind. Is that the hardest part for abs is got to be like the calorie deficit. Just the, yeah. Is it getting clean while being in a calorie deficit?

It's like the two hardest things like this fuck. Food's the hardest drug to not fall victim to. At this point in my life, I am just on my, don't get fucking morbid. But you need to at least lift weights because the older you get, the harder it is. If you lift weights now and get strong, those, even if you stop, those muscles still kind of stick with you. And that's what creates atrophy as you get older. Like when your body starts. Dude, you sound like you're ready to do it.

Your body just starts breaking down and shit. You need to get that muscle while you can while you're young. Dude, look at your fucking. I have skinny legs, skinny wrists. The year. Ain't on to grow up here, man. Got that maniac build. Guinea calves.

No air. That Pam got them thickums. Just, yeah. This guy's a beast. Look at him. So, New Year's Resolution, another ring. you said get a trainer and upload more I am going to try to do

12 art collabs this upcoming year one every single month and nothing's going to stop me from it once a month and I already got it all planning on me and John B are doing a fucking sick ass collab fishing buddy

let the record show everyone I'm saying it again both Nate shot and maniac and what they promised their fans for the sub-a-thon of Hector Fishing with them, it's on them. No, we tried to make it happen. You text me the night before it said,

yo, it's too cold. The fish won't bite. I think there was like two different times I was ready to go and you bail. Yeah, we got to go fishing as a team for like a content video. Matt, did you hear that? Put it in. Put in the schedule now.

In camping. Drum. Mushrooms. Yes. Mushrooms. Yes. Lots of chronic. No, no, no, no, no camping.

No camping? No camping for the boys. Camping's G.A. Camping's G.A. Camping goes hard. I mean, I went camping when I was in the outdoor ed class. Is that what it was in high school? And holy shit.

That's boring. You got to be drunk. First of all. I mean, I was, we were a sophomore. So like we were, you know what I mean? My crush is there too. So everyone's like, oh, you know what I mean? Like, is anything going to happen at the campfire?

Yeah. That's boring. I go camping every. year when we when us three went camping for the jackslings video that was hard that was that was that was shmoney back run it back i'd run that back i'd run that back take us out take us out that all right chat and comments that was it for the optic podcast episode 207 it is myself maniac dashian hector signing out hope you guys have an awesome holiday i don't really know when this is going up but make sure you drop a like it's free commenting is free

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