OpTic Podcast - WHY WE FORFEITED OUR CDL MATCH | The OpTic Podcast Ep 103

Episode Date: December 8, 2022

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Because if we don't address it, then it gets unaddressed. If they go along and play along with it, then there will be no fix. This sort of, this sort of anger, this sort of discontent from the crowd needs to happen in order for change to happen. This is year four. Where are we? What are we doing? This is my question. So yeah, no, we're not going to do that.

We're not going to replay that. We're not going to go along and hide the fact that there's no support here. Welcome. to episode 102 of the Optic podcast. This episode is brought to you by RocketMoney ExpressVPN and Bit Refill. We'll tell you a little bit more about them later on the podcast right now. As we sit here, there is an overtime going on between Maruecos contra Espagna. And it looks like they're going to go to penalties.

Maybe. There's still in a whole other half of extra time. Fifteen more minutes. There's some good scoring chances in the first. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rock up. Both teams almost scored. I think I think the hardest.

play is when they are exhausted and they're in overtime that's just because the the defense starts getting lazy some more opportunities yeah your adrenaline's pumping at this point you're not feeling you don't feel bro what you're not feeling it bro you're not you're not worried about it like there just a blood in your in your legs is turning into battery asset at this point dude's literally no the adrenaline the adrenaline is gone so I heard on Fight Club this this is like adrenaline is like isn't it like a moment happened so it's like bam

Dude, you don't get an hour and a half worth of a drone. No, but I mean, at the very end, like, things are, things are pumping here. Maybe in, like, the last, like, five minutes. I don't, like, thank God these guys are as fit as they are, because otherwise I heart attack would surely ensure. Dude, like, I can't imagine. The pressure, the fear and the fucking exhaustion. Imagine running for a hundred and 15 minutes,

and then you finally get an opportunity and you have to kick it. Like, like, you have to use all of your energy left to kick as hard as, Absolutely. Dude. My legs like hurt just talking about it. I did a 24 hour fast yesterday and by like my third war zone maps I was just like I can't do this. My head hurts. Man, have you ever done a fast like a no food, just water fast?

No, fuck that. Well, yeah. I try to do the juice cleanse. Okay. And it was I've never never been a bigger bitch in my life. Really? Yeah. it was horrible

because like I mean you don't think you think going into it like yeah I can just do this but then you start getting the headaches and then you start like shitting yourself and and it's like

that is not good you don't think about that going into it you had a couple of bangor tweets I want to talk about that I want to get your full on dissertation as to what happened you got half an hour to listen

we have an hour and a half and two hours no Not that long. Okay. Jesus Christ. So, well, first of all, I guess I can start with, with the Halo conversation. Apparently a lot of people were coming at Spartan for my, for my, I didn't know.

When Joey told me that the pros were talking shit, he didn't tell me a name. But apparently, like, he DM me and he's like, yo, just you know it wasn't me or I don't know why everyone's mad at me. And I want everybody to know that first of all, when you guys catch me complaining. any of us. When you catch any of us complaining about something, that's not a cry for help or a call for backup. Okay. And although I do appreciate the fact that the green wall, the majority of the green wall runs thick and they're there to fight every single step of the way, I also appreciate that there might be a couple of Greenwall members that are a little bit go above and beyond. Yeah. Right. And that is, it's not, it is serious, but it's not that serious. There's no need. Apparently the rocker was getting death threats. and shit. Yeah, I mean, that's ridiculous. That is ridiculous.

Yeah, and then... Us saying, I think, for some reason, there's like a narrative that goes around that it's like, like, if we complain about something, then like, we're abusing the green wall and that's not the case. No. Like, we're upset. Talk, we'll, we will make essaye jokes. We will make jokes about the thing, but that is not, like, we don't hate those four guys or their coach. No. Those are, we've known those guys for fucking ever. Like, like, and, and, and, you know, It's just a situation that is very shitty. And on the rocker, on the rocker specifically, right?

Ownership group. Gary V. That's my dog. Fucking Brian Cargo. That's my boy. Midnight? Yeah. Optic midnight?

You think I want. And I will say this. When the league reached out to me and said, hey, the rocker getting death threat to you want to say something. I'm like, well, first of all, why me? You know what I didn't command anybody to go do this thing.

But, you know, this is the type of situation that, I get sort of put in. And you know what? The thing is, it's like, I don't even, how do I know that this guy is a member of the Green Wall? You know what I'm saying?

It could be fucking anyone. Some literal L-O-S-E-R. Okay. Like they can't roll. Okay. I'm just saying. Hold on. So this guy.

Me? No, losers. All right, just making sure you're saying that's kind of quiet for the past. So some dude hits me. up he's like Hector or he tagged me the the car team he's like the fans are demanding an explanation as to why you didn't just play it out and then I'm like robot right so I go to his state doesn't follow me and then I look go to his follows doesn't follow a single of one of my teammates that competed not scump not not not none of them yeah and I'm like you are not one

of us they're not real what the fuck are you speaking for the people because the people know. People were, yeah, people were tweeting God, damn. I'm sure people were tweeting everyone in Optic that's not on the team. They were just like, you guys are, you guys are pussy, you should have played it out.

Yeah. Like, my fuck, I'm not holding a controller. I was at home. Jesus Christ. Don't tweet me. Did you see, did you see what happened? Obviously you saw, but did you like take a look at it and see?

Yeah, I watched it with Brandon. Okay. Yeah. What did you think? I mean, the Optic should have won the map after reviewing it. They should have won them out for sure. Yeah.

I think that if Seth didn't like shit on the guys in the last couple seconds, you wouldn't have been so amped up to, like, put his foot down so hard and say, like, we're not playing. That's probably true. You know, but I get why he wanted to, like, you know, like put his foot down. But I don't know. I might have still played it out. Would you?

Just because I just, I don't know. Forfeits, like, I'd rather, it's like a win-win if you keep playing, right? Like, if you lose, you could say they did some fugues. If you win, you're like, why they tried some fugues and we said, still won. With you 1,000% from the beginning of time, every single time that Optic has had to replace something, even when we were in the lead, I have told everybody, guys, let's just play it out because we don't want our victory to be like, well, you know, they only won't

because they replayed it. And I've made it a point, even against the betterment of Optic, I've made it a point to always replay it. But when there is 15 seconds left and there is a slight chance. There wasn't 15 seconds left. there was no slight chance. Exactly. My point, exactly.

There's something to be said, right? And I'm not saying that it was, look, I'm not going to have an opinion on my friends over, the players over at, at Rocker, on whether or not they, but the game, this is my, this is my thing. Okay. I'm going to get really angry, so you go. I don't, like, I, you tell me how it happened. Just understand, like here, I'll lay the facts on the floor, but. Hold on.

Should we pause? Oh, okay, sorry. Why don't you bring it up? You have to understand. I mean, I'm frustrated about it still, to be honest. I've never been in a situation kind of like Matt was displaying how I'm never forfeited a game

in my entire career about anything. Like you're there, you're competing. Like, granted, like things didn't go our way. Should have win our way. I mean, if you ask me, obviously, maybe a little biased, but there was nothing about that situation that said we were going to,

like, there was any case that that made a difference to the game. The player mistakenly called a streak that was GA that shouldn't been used in the first place. There's a known bug with that streak. he was trying to call this other streak even in the case that streak takes eight seconds to land

there was about seven and a half to eight seconds at which point he would have called the streak and the game ended right so streak wouldn't have been to land in the first place so basically Vance was the only player who was pinching who was in white who died as soon as he dies the round was basically over like from a logical standpoint like the only way at that point

is if Cammy didn't want to call that shriek and then just press the wrong button and then was going to go in and one V3 to guys on the point and I mean would literally like no time you would have to just run in and make something crazy happen never in the history of Optic

have we been one V3 continue by rocker it's it's more the basis of like what frustrating is about the situation is kind of like there's been a precedence for just so like

if you guys saw my tweet I tweeted out the New York situation from last year it was major five or major four it was a New York major where LAT was playing New York in the finals and Envoy went up the ladder got the latter glitch. Everyone knew about it,

got an issue. They just, the league kind of batting in the eye and nothing happened. So there was, there was kind of a precedent to this where there's a game bug and nothing was done about it.

But you could argue the situations were a little different, obviously. Like, Envoy in that situation, his team was 2V3, but if he would get that killed, they technically set a chance to win around. Like, you can kind of go

into all the hypotheticals and whatnot. But the rules, the leagues say basically there's two edge cases. There's an edge case where the bug wasn't an influence to basically the game, it wasn't a substantial bug, It's basically like a low level bug or a high level bug.

And I guess the league is kind of the ones to interpret what is what. So in this case, they interpreted that the bug was big enough, was a larger bug enough to where there was a demand and replay. And I would assume, I mean, again, this is me more assuming, not really facts. But I would assume they would held that the other bug that happened to where it wasn't big enough to replay around. Which then, like, for me, it's like, well, like, I'm arguing this. Obviously, I'm having a discussion in the league while this, all this is going on about. Like, why do I want explanations?

Like I'm not just going to sit here and take it. And like the explanations they're given us is not really anything ample. They're just saying like this is how it is. So for us, that was really word of frustration lied and like how the players kind of fell into that loophole of just it was like annoying at first. And then everything about it was just to like race to the max. And then the players, I mean, I don't want to speak for them because again, this is kind of like on camera. But for myself, like I was more disappointed at the rock or than the league, to be honest. Because it's like there's a competitive integrity to all this, right?

Like we're competitors. We all want to win. we all want to do what's best. Like, if they were in our shoes, there's zero way in hell they would feel the same way they'd feel about that situation. Like, even like, like, Brian's saying, their coach tweeted saying there was 15 seconds left around.

There wasn't. Like, there was eight seconds. Like, attached said, well, he didn't mean to call that streak, but he did. Like, it's like, I don't, I understand he didn't mean to call it. Right. In a world where there's no bug, he probably takes his iPad out,

puts his back and then goes and calls and other streak, which wouldn't matter anyways, goes to the point and dies. But it's like, they're just kind of batting an eye to that and just saying, like, there was still a chance, and they're using kind of like, I guess there is technically a rule

that says like whatever they're entitled of this, I guess, clear because it happened. But it's just more so like from a competitive experience standpoint. Like, again, now what stops anyone from doing this in the future? That's the thing for me, yeah. Like someone could have done a match previous and like the weekend. Like obviously you're not going to sit there and just pull the iPad out back and out. Like obviously there's got to be a rule against that.

Yeah. Because that's like you're forcely trying to create a bug. But like players are smart enough. Like I could have been just, oh, sorry, I didn't need to use this like three or four times in the game. It happens once and the game's over. Like what stops the team from doing that? And I don't know. Like to me, it's just the whole surrounding the situation was just frustrating

and all the players obviously got mad enough. Can I say something that we can cut out? Yeah. So you guys make the decision if you haven't gone to send or not. But the biggest issue at all this from a league standpoint was that they offered when we first wanted, we originally we just wanted for the map. So we came in, we were like, like, hey, like, like you're forcing us to replay this my players like obviously speaking for the players in this case because

ultimately he's kind of like if formal's here telling me doesn't want to play the map i'm not going to be like formally got to play this map like he's going to start hitting my guts yeah so the players are basically kind of down the right behind like hey we don't want to replay this map like let's move on to the next map and we were told we can't we were told that if you forfeit this you have to forfeit this you have to forfeit the entire match and we're like what like that what world does that makes sense like being like so we were all frustrated with that and then 20 minutes went by after that without really much conversation and well when we said fine then we forfeit yeah they said no no so what was so at that point we basically like what i the last words i said to that to the people in charge was

that we're not going to replay and then nothing was said after that for 15 minutes and then they came back and said like i mean during this 15 minutes everyone just like going even darker and darker And darker at this point, there's no light. Like, it's just, whatever, full darkness. Literal demon hours. Everyone's just, like, coldly revolving around this, being more and more pissed. These guys start tweeting and all that stuff. So, and then they come back like 50 minutes later and tell us, never mind, you can forfeit that

map and then you can play the rest of the match out, which to me was like, we're making the rules up as we go along. Yeah, right. Yeah. No. No, no. Like, that was the most frustrating part for me. Like, from, again, like, you guys kind of heard my point of view from both sides.

again this is kind of like what happened from where I'm standing. But yeah, it was just an incredibly frustrating situation that I don't wish anyone upon. I just, again, like what bothers me to most is I feel like, like, as much as like there's rules to this, I just feel like like Rockers saying that they're in the wrong here and like trying to actively defend themselves about it. What's what hurt me to most, to be honest? Yeah. And I think some people think that the optic guys are like people on our side think that he pulled

it out on purpose to, in order. order to replay. There's no way that was the case. Nobody thinks that. The thing is, is that the precedent has now been set where if any team wants to replay around, they just have to call in the SAA. Like, again, it was an honest mistake.

Like, there's no way, like, Cammy explained it. Like, but it's like, if you go watch Cammy's explanation, he all, like, he said what he said, which is to me, most of it was facts, but he also said that they were in a good position in that case, which I don't know what game they were playing, but there's nothing about that situation. That was good.

Again, as soon as Bance died, the position was dead. They lost the game, and it is what it is. So in that, right, in that, the way that he explained it, right, they tell us, first they said, if you forfeit this match, you're forfeiting the entire match. Okay, they were like, fuck it, fine. We're not going to play along with you to protect something that is so egregiously wrong

with this league. We told you guys ahead of time that there is a bug in this thing. We told you guys that we needed private lobbies to practice. Like, this isn't, this isn't amateur. I can understand if this was back in 2013 and MLG was, you know, running this thing and there's and there's no support. But what we bought a while ago was a little bit more support. Okay. So all we see is everybody on this side, right, the endemic, the people that built this league from the ground up on their game with no support for the longest time.

Okay. And again, shout out David Von der Haar, because it wasn't until he came along that this thing started to even go down that route. And he didn't have all of the tools and the authority to say, let's do this thing the right way. So that aside, we don't get to practice for this thing until they fix the private lobbies. We tell them that there's a bug in this game. They don't even give us the respect to say, okay, fine, there's a bug with that. We're going to make it to where you don't spawn in with that, even if you choose not to spawn

and this is not amateur hour. This is not something that we're, this isn't a league that people just sprung up out of nowhere. This is a league that's been going on for 14 years. And every single time that they sort of reset the clock and they said that this league has only been alive for four years. In theory, sure, absolutely. If you look it out on paper, but there's a long history of call of duty competition

that goes back as early as 2005. And that community rolled and rolled and rolled and rolled in. into this massive avalanche that we have today, where billionaires, owners of sports teams have put their money out front to grow this thing into what it can be. They are the ones that pitched this new league to these new owners.

They are the ones that put people like me in a position to have to give up ownership in their company so that they can participate in something that for free, I'm participating in for over a fucking decade. And you're telling me that you can't give us a little bit. You can't give us four developers to sit there and take turns to try to remove a glitch from there.

And then you, these last three podcasts have all been about complaining about this, but you guys have to understand my frustration. Because if we don't address it, then it gets unaddressed. If they go along and play along with it, then there will be no fit. This sort of anger, this sort of discontent from the crowd needs to happen in order for change to happen. This is year four. Where are we? What are we doing?

Is my question. So yeah, no, we're not going to do that. We're not going to replay that. We're not going to go along and hide the fact that there's no support here. I cannot, you think I want to be a librarian screaming at people? You think I don't know. I hate being this person. I'm Mr. Cool, God damn it.

God, man. It pains me, man. It pains me. It pains me to no end. No, this year's been sad. That's why it's like whenever they decided not to play and decided to put their foot down, I feel like after four years of little to no support on the developer side and then, you know, different questionable decisions on the league side. And a lot of it's not the leagues, the employees that work for the league.

It's not their fault. But like it's just the trickle-down effect. And after four years of it, it gets fucking like super disheartening. Especially when you get when you get a game that seemingly, we've had oversight over oversight for a decade. We're used to oversights. We're used to a game spawning up. And for some reason the private match doesn't work and they'll change it. For some reason this thing doesn't work and they'll change it.

They'll fix it. Like Monorfer 3 was released with no land support. oversight they'll change it shit like that but to take out i mean to come to completely remove the option to on your own free time in your own private match to play the game the way that it's been played competitively for 14 years i mean that's seem that's seemingly a purposeful decision like an attacking decision we don't even like how these guys play so let's not even give them the fucking option to have red dots on their mini map let's not even give them the option to have silent footsteps or or different things that they think is just the bare minimum to make a game

competitive and and to make a game like playable in the way that we built this community from the ground up and that and and i'm sure all of these little frustrations from the league side from the game side from the developer side built up and then Bam, the S-A-E thing happens. And so if you're wondering, damn, these guys are bitches, they're just not playing. I'm sure it's four and a half to ten years of being seemingly like, you know, forgotten about, disrespected,

and then you're forced to do this league thing. And then, bam, the S-A-E happens. And that's just where it all, you know, ended up at. It's not just like, damn, I'm upset. we should have won we didn't win not playing like that's

just not the case side by side G4 G4P gods optic N2D I can name you

all 10 of the original competition teams from Call of Duty too okay I love Call of Duty it is my favorite game of all time. I've spent the majority of my adult life working on this thing that I think has some legs to go somewhere. So when you hear the frustration, especially if you're from the

league, this game is more my game than it is your game. People have been employing you to work on that game from the beginning of your employment. I've been working on this thing for free since 2005 and nobody told me to. So it's my fault for sure, 100%. But I've been here from the beginning. So please trust and believe that I have I have sacrificed and I've helped and I've tried to do what's best for this thing from the beginning of time. And I know that you guys may not be as passionate about this thing the way that I am and that's nobody's fault but mine. But there is something to be said about a deal that got done, a hand check that was took in and there was nothing reciprocated from the other side. This is not what anybody signed up for. This is not what anybody signed up for.

Do you think that we weren't better off with MLG doing it the way the MLG way was being done, where we had a traveling circus of sorts where we went to every single state and every single fan from all over the United States, London, and even Australia got a chance to witness college being played at the highest level? We did that. God damn it, man. And I know that sometimes my voice gets a little high and I get a little bit too passionate. and I'm screaming. But what I'm saying, if you put it down on paper, what I'm saying,

black and white is just facts as to how we could be better. I wish that I wasn't as emotional because I think that people would take me a lot more seriously when I wasn't. But I've done this thing behind the scenes. I've talked to them behind the scenes. I've tried to guide them behind the scenes up until two years ago when I stopped doing that.

Because I just got tired of talking to people who have obviously all the good intentions in the world to help, but they can't do anything because the people above them just put them in a box and don't allow them to do anything. It's crazy to me. It's nuts. It is nuts. You know, all the people out like this, this was a working thing. There wasn't, this didn't come in and made it better. It was working already. Yeah. That. Ultimately, what's, to that kind of extent, And all the investment going on, like the whole idea of like why, why wouldn't there be like a dev team? Like, why can't we just hire a dev team that's...

You work there? Why not? I mean, I worked there a different time. Yeah. To be fair. And things were kind of still like the way they were like when everything, when I was playing, for example. Like it was very much kind of like a substance part of the game. That's not really kind of like the main focus. But like I feel like the league one of the reasons why I did come back.

I felt like that was kind of like the point of which like here, now we're putting a focus on this. like we're like all these people invested money into this there's there's got to be some element of priority because at the end of it that's kind of what it is it's priority right like like you got the core game you got war zone you got whatever single player you got all this other stuff and then the competitives in there somewhere and all these people came in invested money into this to see it grow and whatnot there has to be some sort like in my head that should have moved the priority of competitive somewhere higher to the tone pole to where there's focus and I don't know how much it would cost them on a yearly basis if there was like an extra I don't know like I mean I don't know I don't know like I don't understand how much it did it cost to make a game. But if we're just saying, like, there's a few devs that are involved in fixing issues. And we're not even talking. Like, it's not even like a year thing. They could just be focused for like two months. You just get rid of all the issues at the start of a game.

Yeah. Like, at the end of day, you kind of have to not side with them, but like, Call Duty is the only esport where there's a release every year, right? So like, you're bound to have issues. That's just kind of normal with a new game. Like, we can't, there's no way to brush that aside. But, like, they know that. Like, the league knows that.

The devs know that. Like, there's always going to be problems with a game when it comes out. you're never going to fix everything until it's out in the wild. So then why not prepare for that from the get-go to where you know that you're going to be there willing to fix things quickly? So, and especially with this year. Like, I mean, I love the idea of starting the league and everything sooner. I think that's great. Like, I think viewership skyrocketed with that.

Like, there's just so many kind of like things that made that decision better. But you know that it's not like the issues we've had with, like, for example, the private match issue. We had it last year. Like, but last year it happened around the same time. But the league didn't start until in February. So we're just kind of like, this is not a big deal. Like we got time. But when you literally.

have an issue for probably a lobby that last like whatever three or four or five days and you're literally have 25 days to prep for the start a year then that's a big issue right yeah so like at that point why not have some sort of a preparation plan to where some of these issues are occur and you're ready for them you have a team that's ready for them so they can be bang bang bang quick quack and everything's done with and then you don't have to worry about it for like you only need a team after that because everything's been more or less all the core features have been fixed and you don't have to worry about them anymore but yeah i don't know like it's some of that stuff's frustrating obviously do you think that this should have been done before we started this structured league where people put investment and time

and effort into doing it? I mean, it should have been part of discussion at first. I don't know. I would assume it was discussed. I don't see why I wouldn't discuss like the league and then the whatever called the D managers and the discussion of the studios. Like you would assume that there was some sort of talk that went on to to kind of let them know like, hey, look like this is going to become a big thing now. Like, and we're more so now, now it's our thing. It's not even a big thing. Like it became their thing, right? Because they invested all the teams invested. it into them to do this thing. So yeah, I don't know.

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and Bit Refail. for the sponsorship we certainly appreciate them let's let's get into a little bit more pressing matters okay like the end of times okay my brother who uh who's gonna come on the podcast very soon but my brother has been sending me my brother's like the big you thought and look partly my fault you know making him read behold a pale horse when he was a young a young Padawan, okay, he was seven years old, eight years old. You know, really got him done the conspiracy theory route and, you know, also spiritually, right? The secrets of Shambala.

What's happening here? The Selassian prophecy. What's that? What's happening here? Okay. So over the last couple of months, there has been a phenomenon in the animal kingdom that has made cattle, insects, birds all fly or all, all move in a circular motion. as you can see here by this flock of sheep that I've been doing that.

And I know you guys are seeing this. But what else is down there? Is this the maggots? Yeah, maggots. Okay? Circulating around in motion. Can you find the videos of these? Well, not right now, but in the meantime.

What else? Keep scrolling down. What is this? Fish have been circling. Yeah, we're not going to need the videos of these, right? Look at this. this is now of course there are circumstances in which these things have been happening but over the last couple of them go down one more i think is this the is this the deer or what is

this this is this is fish fish do what yes all right here here are some of the here are some of the videos okay this is sheep uh what the fuck yep this is what now this is like this is the the rancher saying, what the fuck is going on? I didn't train these fucks to do this. This is a different set of flocks. Okay? They're just like, hey, what are you all doing? A flock of sheep was spotted moving in a circle continuously for 12 days.

For 12 days? In northern China. Yeah. I'm not sleeping right tonight. Okay, well, eerie video. I keep going. That's yep. All right.

Keep going, keep going. Yeah, get to the next one. These are all like. These are all instances, right? We've seen that one. No, no. We've seen that one. Go to the next one.

Oh, no. This is a separate one. Wait, wait, what is that? Those turkeys? Oh. All right. So another thing. There are two volcanoes that have just erupted in the last couple of weeks.

What's the shape of a volcano? It's a circle. You can mute that. I don't know what this. I love how that went. Yeah. The shape of volcanoes in circles. This is, this is, look, if there was ever a time for this shit to go.

But now, this could also be the means. media trying to distract you from the fact that our financial system is about to fucking collapse. That's true. Right? So nothing's, uh, nothing's, uh, you know, it is, it's, it could be end of days. It could be not. My brother was super into it. He knows more about this than I do because he like literally researches and, and watches

this, stays up at night, reading up on it. But there's, uh, there's, and I don't know how often volcanoes erupt, but. Yeah, often do they erupt? Huh? Often do they erupt. I mean, I'm pretty sure that every time that they erupt, there's coverage for it. Look at that shit.

It doesn't even look real. Like, what is that, dude? Yeah. This is insane. Look at this thing. What is your contingency plan, Rambo? If all of a sudden there's a, you know, shit literally starts going to hell. Now, I, I, I, yeah, Ray, what are you in doing?

Are you prepared? Are you prepared for the end of times, Raymond? I'm just going to go, I'm going to drive across the Cali, go to hell. Hell Beach and watch to happen and play golf until things are done. Yeah, that's what you would do? I don't know. I'm just kidding. I honestly have no idea. I never even cross the mind until now and you guys are

freaking me out, so. Yeah. What about you? Are you prepared? I probably I probably die here with Brandon eating meat turkey. Yeah. What is there to prepare about this? I mean, what are you going to do?

Well, think about it, right? Like, there's something to be said about, you know, those doomsday preppers? I'm not, one of those guys, but I'm halfway one of those guys. I do have, you know, not at my home, but at a separate secret location, none of you are invited to where I have rations for, you know, for our stuff. Hell yeah. Well, you're going to survive like an extra 20 days while everything burns?

Yeah, it gives me time to think about what it is that I want to do. Do I want to go in a stampede of circulating buffalo or do I want to be burnt to that? Where's the largest active Yeah, the first time of 40 years. Worst largest active volcano erupts were the first time nearly four years. That's insane, dude. Right? And now more than ever, there's been more sightings of UFOs than ever before. And yes, you can argue the fact that now we have cellular devices that have a camera on them. A lot of them are super pixelated. But, you know, when the government comes out in excess, yeah, look, there isn't something out there. It really puts everything into perspective, right? Period. I mean, everything's pointing towards the fact that, hey, we are not the center of the universe.

Okay? There are smarter species that exist out there that have been visiting us. Maybe we are a test subject for many different things. And I don't know how to react to this. Right here. Strange patterns all the while tracking this plane. bro have you seen the uh never mind

fuck it okay all right there's this dude on ticot who saw seemingly what seemed to be a giant big foot or a giant on a mount on the on a mountain okay so big the fuck like a giant and

he thought it was a giant and then like said something about it nah it's fake no it's fake okay because there has been you know big foot but apparently he died and so people were like oh shit like the government found out and they killed him

yeah but like but why why would the government give a phone there's a video where it looks like he's like looking off to the side and like talking and people are like but it looked it looked like he was acting I can tell you here's a story he was taking a video

his friend was driving he looked on the top of a mountain and there's seemingly looked like a dude and he was like oh my god there's a dude up there and it's fucking huge and the guy's like there's no way you're seeing a guy on the mountain right now So then he zoomed in and then It looks like it doesn't look like a human. It looks like a something big is up there and then they were like

He went out there to take a piss and shit and all you see is like the most massive stream ever coming up a mountain Oh my God Sorry guys So it looked like it looked like there were like helicopters going up there and like extracting whatever was up there And so then people started trying to figure out what happened in this guy and then He apparently has died So that's what I got from TikTok. I looked it up for probably three minutes,

and that's all the information that they came up with. And so I decided to talk about it now. Oh, it's very good. Was it debunked though? Is this right here? All right, let's see here. It's a giant. Let me see.

I mean, yeah, I can tell that it's a giant. That. That's a big-ass Bigfoot. Dog, so whatever that is, I mean, this is for sure a doctored video, for sure. But whatever that is... Is it even moving? No.

But I don't think it's a thing. I think it's a thing. I don't think it's a... I think it's a UFO is more like it. It's more Bigfoot than it's a human or a giant? No, I'm saying I don't think that's a living thing. I think something is up there and he thinks it's a giant. See, it looks like a...

It looks like a butt plug. Okay. Doesn't it? What do you think it is? It looks like an antenna. Yeah, that's what I was going to go. It looks like just some piece of device I don't put up there.

Someone climbed it up and just put a device or something. It's a weather. Yeah, exactly. It's a weather reader device. This dude thought it was a giant. It's not. It's not moving. It's not moving.

Bought this? No, I'm not saying, I don't think it's a giant. I'm thinking, I think he thought it was a giant. He thinks it's a butt plug clearly. Oh, yeah. That's what he said. He thinks that he thought it was a giant that was moving.

It looks like a spaceship that landed up there. But it looks like something landed or it looks like something is up there. And then he starts filming like helicopters going up there. They're going to go pick up the... And then the...

This is like the next day. The weather thing. And then the guy who filmed this died. Okay. For sure, piece of equipment. The thing is... That's what I read on the internet. Nothing is wrong.

The thing is that even if he died afterwards, like if you want to talk about weird things that are dying, how about these crypto billionaires? What? Another one. I saw that, yeah. How many crypto billionaires have died in the last, like, a month?

Four. Really? Four crypto billionaires have died in one month. They're getting assassinated? Yeah, the people, they're like, shit, let me get that crypto wallet. Dead. Yeah, there he is. Nikolai, right?

Fourth crypto billionaire found dead. That is. That is something that's like, all right, well, I'm not, you know. Gary. Yep. I'm asking. asking no questions. Yeah, look, I don't...

RIP. Moving on. RIP to that guy. No, I mean, we're not crypto billionaires. Are we? We don't know. I'm definitely not. I am definitely not.

I am most definitely not. I am not. But please know that if I was, I'd still be doing this podcast because I love this shit. Anyway, so again, I guess, I guess to close it out, be prepared. Don't panic, most of all. You know, don't take from others. You prepare ahead of time. Get your toilet paper.

which was the first thing that went last time. I literally moved here the day of the pandemic started, like they announced state of the emergency, and I moved out here, like, obviously, downtown, and I went to Costco. I was there 15 minutes before they opened. There was line of 150 people in line to get in. By the time they opened,

there's another 150 people behind me, and it looked like the store is empty when I got in. Everyone was in the back fighting for toilet paper. It was like, that's what you're going to value the most in this situation, not food or stuff. That's American. That's American shit, right?

I wish, I wish, I wish that, The fucked up part is that that whole little era was happening when we had the worst snowstorm that we've ever had. Yeah. Where I had to come in in the raptor to pick these guys up to go get them food, right? Yeah. They had to start a fire in the middle of this floor so they can stay warm. There's still a burn mark right there. Like, you really?

No. I was like, hold of. I'm gullible. Yeah, you are going. He picked it up right there. But I wish I was vlogging in those days because I went there and I have like iPhone footage of it where like everything. Like all of the aisles were like empty of toilet paper and I couldn't believe and then all the Cases of Corona were all there. Yeah. It's like like Corona the beer yeah because of the

coronavirus. Yeah. It's just like that's like the dump like the Americans are so stupid. That's crazy. All the toilet paper gone all the Corona's still there. Yeah. It was it was definitely definitely at times of saying like only take one you're only allowed one like but but they didn't care like if I'm Walmart. Yeah, buy it all. Of course, yeah. Yeah, if one person wants to take it all, take it all. If you want to go at resale market, I will say, I will say, and I'm admitting it right now, I did pay $380 for a box of masks of those, those C90. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I bought, like, some disinfectant for a lot. Yeah. Some like, it was like, there was no, like, more 409 or any of that. Yeah. But I bought, like, some of the cheap shit, some, like, dollar general stuff off Amazon and I bought it for pretty damn expensive. Because I was like, we have to clean everything.

Yeah. But now it's, let's not get into it because it turns into a political thing. You know, the snow in the mountains reminded me that you just got back from Breckenridge. Is that where you guys were at? Yeah, I was. Tell me how your vacation was. It was, dude. He's no smiles just.

Dude, it was the worst. I literally landed. We had one night and then what I mean, also, how many people were in there? Like nine, nine of us? 13, 13 of us in one house. I didn't see the other 12 people for 48 hours. I stayed in my room. And it was like, I've never had.

What happened? Yeah, tell us what happened. So, like, night one happens. I go to bed and I can't, I start tossing and turning. And then I start getting this headache. And then I started getting cold sweats. And then I start feeling nauseous. And it was like, it was the, it was such a powerful headache that like I couldn't open my eyes.

I was walking around like this. Oh. And just get this. image in your head. How does it look? Does it look good? No. Because I was walking around like this and I think you're single again. It was such, it was such a powerful headache that like my eyes were always watering and I always felt like I was going to puke and it felt like like you know when you get a migraine up until you throw up and like that feeling like right before you throw up where it's, I don't know, do you guys have migraine? Right before you throw up where it's like everything it feels like

like yeah your body's about to shut down. Yeah, it feels like you're about to shut down. I had that feeling for like 24 That's awful. It was the, dude, it was, it's the worst. The worst you've ever been. It's the worst I've ever felt in my, like, adult life for sure. Have you had COVID? Yeah. And it was worse than that.

Yeah, way worse than COVID. I don't even, I don't know. And I think it was a combination of something, whether it was like flu-ish things. But no one else got sick. So I don't know what it was. Could it, could it maybe have been sinusitis as you have it already? It caused the pressure of the elevation. Well, Blake, Blake looked it up and he thought that I had altitude sickness,

which I had never even fucking heard of. But apparently altitude sickness is like, you know, your body doesn't get enough oxygen. It feels like you're, it feels like a really bad hangover. Yeah. So I think it might have been altitude sickness combined with like something with my sinusitis compared. I mean, and being sick on top of that. I don't know. I don't know if I got a double whammy, triple whammy.

I don't know what it was, but I didn't. I mean, I, I have lost 12 pounds. I ate three meals in a week. Like it was, it was the, it was the, it was the one. worst. You went through, I'm gonna bring up my stuff, but you went through this one thing where you had your headset on, your ear pods on the air and then it was, you felt this thing in your ears that was about to like rupture your shit. Remember that? Well, you told me the story that it happened to you. You were like on a plane and you woke up and like your shit. So the same thing happened

to me. I had my air, my AirPods in and I was getting sick and I was on my way back from, this was three, when was the last time we were in London? 2019. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 20, where we won and we celebrated with pizza, like in the lobby. Anyway, so on the way back from there, I was getting a little bit sick and I was stuffed. I got in a plane, I fell asleep with my head, headset in, and I woke up to the most insane. You know how when your ears are about to pop?

Well, I felt that, but in my entire, like, my entire head was like about to explode. Since then, since then, I've had a ringing in my ears that has never gone away for the last three years. They call it tinnitus or something like that. But since then, that shit ruined me. Also, my man, Turo, who cuts my hair now, he was the first guy ever to shave my ear. And since then, it hasn't stopped itching. And he never touched my ears again, my heart.

But for real. I'm just telling you things that have happened to me. What? What else? One time. So your ears are ringing. Yeah. Well, then I hit you, but they're ringing.

Itchy and ringing? Yeah, I can hear the ringing right now, especially if I concentrate. So for the longest time, I'm like I have a fucking tumor or something like I you know obviously my brain and my imagination take me where yeah the darkest place on earth and that was one of them oh dog you should have seen my my imagination was going because I was a they were all out snowboarding and having a great wonderful time which I was very happy for them but I'm alone in a mansion basically just in fetal position for 20 hours and I'm I'm

sitting there and I'm like I'm like dude this can't be natural like it can't I can't just be like sick So this is this is I'm in my last days I'm dying in Breckenridge Colorado I was there for like a year and a half When I'm a year around for yeah Yeah like like just being literally I mean I was nauseous for basically every day my life

For like literally a year in like a quarter I know what it was I mean it was it was a stomach parasite Oh but it took him a year and something to figure it out Good Lord what I mean I went to like when I bowled for Uteam Canada I went to El Salvador I went to like Orchia and might have got something

I just kind of like stayed there for a while but yeah it was like I had to go like I mean Canada all the healthcare is cool and all but when it's free yeah but to figure out like the deep stuff like all the free tests like you literally I had to wait like six months to get endoscopy and it would have found it if they went deeper and like I'd just not go too far no holy shit wow but yeah I don't know that I can I can relate to like the idea of like every day you're like what do I have so you're going to internet and it's like oh god what if I have this and then it just gets worse I never do that it's the worst thing I've You're good to not do that.

Everyone don't do that. I've seen every episode of House. Therefore, I know what I have. I get that. Okay. I get that. One of the best shows ever. If you've never watched it, watch it, watch it, and you'd be a doctor.

One last topic, and then we have a couple of podcast questions. But so three things, apparently. An Amaranth fan censor, $70,000 cash, bodyguards, and self-defense gifts. Can you explain that? Yeah, she opened up a case. Yeah. That case right there, she opened it up. There's $70,000 of cash, a iPhone and a taser in it.

Why? Why is the- It's like an escape plan. What's the iPhone for? That is true. It's like an escape plan. I was wondering, like, how do those three- Is it a Louis Vuitton fucking box too?

How do those things like relate to each other? And that, yeah, that's, it's, it literally is like a getaway box. It's 70K in cash that's in the box. Can we talk about how weirdly she's sitting? I would, my knees and my, and my hips. That's, can't be comfortable. My knees and my hip would have been dislocated by now with my old ass. Us old people are like, oh, my God, how she's sitting is the...

Yeah. Doug, whenever I see somebody get sturdy and they do the, like, go down and like, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. When they kick up? They go down and kick up and, like, clap between their legs. I'm like, dude, my knees could. I think I think I could do that. Even just sitting like that...

You think so. What's it called? Like, when your legs are crossed on the ground, like, you're just sitting like... Cross apples. Yeah, whatever that is. And like, we were... Fucking formal loves that saying. We were...

It was like Thanksgiving. We were playing. games on the floor and like literally sat there for like 30 minutes and I had problems getting up like my hips were just like torched I can't yeah it's uh it's so let me ask you something right uh as a fan when you send her 70k in cash in a louis Vuitton box I don't know what bodyguards and self-defense gifts are um but if when you when you send that stuff like what do you what do you think why do you think that they're doing that I mean she I like if you watch there's no way that you think there's like oh this guy's rich

She's got paper. Yeah. And she's not bad looking. Like, she can, she's good. There's no way in, in hell that people think that this actually helps, right? What do you mean? She's good. She's like, she's trying to get her attention.

She has, like, millions stored that, like, she forgets about. Yeah. She is like. She's good. If money doesn't impress her, then what is the point of that? Like, that has to be purely out of the goodness of their heart. But why send more money? She's got money.

That or maybe for content. She sent this to herself. That'd be good. I'm okay with that. See, no, it would... There's no way she did that. Wait, my assistant... Herself, maybe the person who sent it was like

looking to record and be like I sent this person. My assistant went through... Wait, who's that? When you're not even phased by getting it 70K randomly, you know society has a problem, men are down bad. She replied to that and said, my assistants went through it and we had a pretty long meeting about how to handle it.

You might be enthused for me, but it was a bit nerve-wracking due to second-order considerations. Who's Caitlin Wildcat? That's her, like... personal yeah um got it yeah look i i man i can't imagine how tough it is to be a popular a popular woman you know yeah yeah it's just jesus christ it i can't even imagine i i mean i've said this before any any single notable girl woman in the gaming scene without fail every single one has a stock like a stalking case every single one like if there's someone in their dms that

knows about them that knows their address that says i'm gonna get you bitch something at every single woman yeah and that is fucking crazy to me because like everyone's the while we deal with like some fucking someone crazy yeah but not like them but not like them it it blows my mind like It blows my mind. Yeah. I don't understand what goes through social media, man, has to be like a thing, right? It has to be to blame for it in a little bit because it's allowed humans to interact with other humans without looking at somebody in the eyes and one waiting for a repercussion if one is needed or any sort of turndown or any sort of success stories. Like they don't happen anymore.

Like I always ask like, and, you know, when people go to bars nowadays, do. Like, the pickup game still has to be a thing, right? Like, it's, like, or is that not a thing anymore? I don't know. I've never, I've never picked up a woman in my life. Yeah, Matt. How's the bar game? He doesn't go to bars.

He's on his phone right now. He's on the phone right. Yeah, I just, I don't know. It's just, I feel so bad for these women, man. Like, it's like, the, I mean, it's the 70s. K cash like nothing's for free in this world and maybe that's what she meant by the second by the second considerations on that yeah who knows what yeah who knows what the fuck it's like at that point do you send that back if you have that much money i i 100% send that back i will taser someone sends me a taser

and send back the 70k well no not me personally if i'm in her shoot if i get 70k right now from one of you guys thank you so much i will keep it no but if you're her if i am her i'm sending that back That's fucking scary. That's scary. And a phone. Like what if it just rings in the box? And then the phone? Whatever just starts ringing.

No, the phone. She turns it on. Locations activated. I know where you're at. Fuck that. Fuck that. You know what I mean? Like number one, don't turn on the phone.

Find my iPhone. It's an open box. Even if it was a closed box, don't open it. I mean, isn't there a way to like track money? Like, isn't it like whenever there's ransom money? Don't the police? Can't they track that? They're serialized in some cases.

I used to work at a bank as a teller, and this was what, 1998, 99. So all of our dummy money that we, like in case of a stick up, first of all, I looked down to them, I'm like, we're all Mexican back here. Ain't nobody sticking us up. And I'm like, but they gave us like this stack. And in it, it had one bill that had a little like tracking device on it. But once you opened it, it blew up into, once you removed what you would think was a tracking device, it exploded into like irremovable. ink. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How irremovable is it? It's

fucking stained. Wow. Yeah. I don't know. Liver King got exposed. One last. Actually, let's just get into the thing. I don't care. Listen, if you are above the age of 40, like, it's a 42-year-old dude right now if I decided to be healthy and I'm not in competition

or any sort. I'm not fucking making videos about getting healthy. I would take testosterone for sure. If I want to get big, like I'm not trying. I'm not competing. Why the fuck? Wouldn't I take it and get bigger? I mean, you know, health issues aside and all that stuff that obviously side effects and shit. But I wouldn't give a shit. But this guy was like making a living.

And at the end of the day, did he not inspire people to go and eat healthier? And I don't know. I don't know who this guy is. He's been making $100 million a year. Selling protein supplements, yeah. What? Crazy. I thought this guy was like a fucking.

How old is he? TikToker. How old is he? Well, TikTokers make a shit a ton of money. They don't make a hundred million. Some do. I'm due. Dude, I can't even fath a hundred million dollars.

I can't. We start eating livers. He's 44. You don't think that men of the age of 20 who want to be big? They're like, well, if a 44-year-old can fucking do it, why can't I do it? It's about eating liver. That's so crazy. Does he liver?

Yeah, he also takes $100,000 worth of steroids every year. If anything, like, I would, if anything, I would just, if I'm him, I'd be like, yeah, this is my routine. The steroids that I took, how much of them I took, and the best way that worked for me. What's up, King? Are you the Liver King? Yeah. Dash is in the building, everybody. Say hello.

Goodbye, goodbye, goodbye. All right, let's get to the questions and let's move on. Formal is ready for the questions. I'm tired, dude. Do we have podcast questions? Why is it there? You know that I'm like Ron Burgundy? You know what I'm like?

You really are. Let's get to the podcast. There's very obviously no questions. I don't know. Maybe on the second page. It's out of order. Can I bring something out? Yeah, of course. And let's end it with this one.

Yeah. So the viewership from Twitch for the, for the CDL was really good week one, right? Yeah. Like, I think that's all a big kind of applause to everything going on. Yeah. I'm actually curious kind of in tandem with the discussion we had about like the, what the league's kind of like prioritizing and the game devs are prioritizing. Like, is this the bump that needs for us to like be a serious thing upon them, you think? Because like the last couple years of viewership was never like that incredible.

By choice. Yeah. Sorry? By choice, by choice. Like there was a deal made with FIZ, no, I'm kidding, there was a deal made with YouTube that, the thing with,

I don't even if I'm allowed to, I think it was, I think it was public information. We can, I think we can cut this, but, you know, when,

when YouTube gave the CDL $90 million to be exclusive there, there was also a $400 million deal for cloud services that you, that Google provided to Activision for the rest of their games. So it was like, who cares?

Like 90, yeah, sure, I'll give you an extra 90, you know, to, for this thing. Shit is crazy. Yeah, I don't know if that's public info, but you can Google it. And if it does, then obviously leave it in there. I never heard of it. So I think, I think, look, the viewerships always helps, right? Obviously, it always helps. And to no one's surprised that obviously Twitch was going to be the place to do that.

What I'm surprised about is how big it was in terms of that, in terms of the viewership. I don't know if was there any front page treatment on that? No, I mean, there's drops. That's the only thing there's Twitch drops. Yeah. I mean. But didn't Google? I mean, YouTube have drops also?

Yeah. A lot of, a lot of places have drops, but Twitch, I mean, Twitch drops are just absurd. Yeah, Twitch is just. Do you remember when Val came out and Summit had like, Summit had like 200,000 viewers for like five days straight? Yeah. That show was crazy. Because in order to get that, in order to get the beta, you had to get it, you had to get a drop. And so people were just watching

Do you think that Morocco's going to be Portugal? No, it's going to be a literal Portugal fucking Argentinian final. Dude. Don't get me fucking horny. Anyway, look, I think the viewership's good, but it's been there before. Every time a single time it's been on Twitch,

it's not necessarily about, this is the other thing, right? As the drama was going on, and we were, like, isn't this drama, the sort of drama that also keeps everything alive like if they they're pitching WWE like wouldn't you want to like

sort of over-emphasize why instead of having like quiet time why don't you say as a cast as a director be like pocket we're gonna go to the optic camp they're streaming the back scenes of it like why don't you hype that up it's like what's going on nobody knows what's going on let's tune

into the optic stream they'll never do that though it's common sense like let's keep the engagement going and there's other people if it was if it was Halo for it was Gears of War they would do that but Activision like Activision, they, in order to do something, they talk to 95 lawyers before they do it. Yeah.

It's like, it's, they are. And it's only one lawyer that says is like, yeah, but what if Optic wasn't okay with you? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They could, if there's a way, they could do. Yeah. It's like, oh my God. It's insane to me.

It's insane to it. But that could have been, that, the whole scene. Their machine up there. The whole scenario could have been handled so much better from every single level of this thing. If you allow logic and fair is fair to lead the way of a decision. you're always going to be in the right trying to push this in the positive ending we're going down the right no that's good we're positive

no it was I was I'm very happy Call of Duties back on Twitch though I yep I think the drops really helped I it was interesting to see how the game is you know it was my first time really I didn't watch any scrims or anything so it was the first time I ever like

watched the game had that at that level. Yeah. And it... Was it 190 peak? We always make it work. Was it 190 peak and then plus plus streamers watchers things? I think so, yeah.

Who was playing? No need to ask that question, I guess. Who was playing during the 190 peak? Florida and us... That's a Sunday match. Why they spell optic like that? Get the fuck it. Let's go.

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