Otherworld - Episode 143: The Granny Flat Pt. 2

Episode Date: October 29, 2025

After Kacey’s departure, David and Steven find themselves in an escalating battle against this evil entity that refuses to let them go. As the entity’s power grows, it casts an ever-darkening cloud over their lives, manifesting in their relationships and tormenting their family. The brothers must find a way to exorcize this demon out of their lives for good. Check out our Merch⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow us on:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ For business inquiries contact: [e-mail] If you have experienced something paranormal or unexplained, email us your story at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail] To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. In the last episode, David explained how one evening, when he was 15, and watching a movie with his brother and his brother's new girlfriend, their lives took an abrupt turn. A presence seemed to have entered their house and began communicating with David. And it all seemed to start around the time that his brother's new girlfriend, Casey, entered the person. picture. David was suddenly experiencing something communicating with him. At first, he thought it was his grandpa, but then it evolved into something dark, and this thing was telling David strange things, like that he needed to make a big sacrifice, and that the sacrifice was killing his older brother. Whether this thing was something already attached to Casey, something that was brought in,

from her doing some sort of rituals in a reckless way, or maybe it was already in the house and kind of awoken, or maybe it was multiple things at once. Nobody seemed to be sure. Either way, it was getting increasingly intense and really ramped up when Casey left for a trip, broke up with Stephen, and never came back to town. And I want to be clear that this stuff was happening very frequently

over a long period of time. They told me they could tell when this thing walked into the room and where it was. It was like a shift in the atmosphere, and then everything would take a turn. When I spoke to these boys, even 15 years later,

I could tell how difficult it was to be bringing this stuff up. At times it felt more like a therapy session than an interview. Whatever this thing was, wherever it came from, it made their lives very difficult for many years. We're going to pick up right where we left off. This is part two of the Granny Flot, and you're listening to Otherworld.

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We decided the next, after that, I just went, I need to talk to someone about this because I was just so upset and I didn't know what to do. So I organised to talk to my sister and her husband, and me and my husband went over the next day, and we had a full on meeting about it. And they were just like, wow, I don't think they knew what to say. They did not believe us or anything, but like,

I was just, I wouldn't sit and talk to anyone about this unless I was super worried, because lots of other things were happening as well. were happening as well. I was having dreams that, you know, it's not a dream, it's completely different to a dream, but it was while I was either halfway between sleeping and waking up or in that part of sleeping where it's so different to a dream, it's 100% clear and you remember it crystal clear to this day. So this entity, whatever it is, whatever it was, was coming to me in my dreams.

And one of the ones that I remember clearly was that it came, it's like, it had a really, it had like a black cloak, like it was going over its head like that and coming down. I didn't see anybody, but the face was constantly changing. And it was horrible, just constantly changing when I was looking at its face. But every face was scary and just filled me with so much fear. It took me into a graveyard and showed me my son, Stevie's grave with his name and his date of birth and death. He was basically taunting me and saying he's going to die.

We're going to get him. Like showing me his, showing the mother her own son's grave. Like, just awful. Another time, I was sort of like, again, I felt like I was awake, but I must have been just not 100% asleep, but not 100% away. But I woke up and I could feel this strong, scary energy coming down the hallway to my room. I knew it was something coming.

And I sat up and it came in and it went straight through me and out the other side. Scared the hell out of me. And then the next time that I felt that happened, because I learned from when I started doing a bit of help with spiritual healing and that, they said, just tell it, tell it to, basically tell it to F off. Just be as angry as you can and not as scared. Don't be scared. Just sort of basically taunt it back.

So every time this would happen again, I would just go, fuck off fuck off and get out of my house leave me alone get the fuck out of here and I just said I'm not scared you're pathetic you are so pathetic

and I started doing that a bit and the other thing I started doing which was something that I was taught to do as well was I would lie in bed and I had to visualise each of one of my children in their beds and I had to have my own white light visualization and for me the white light was like

a massive big angel with big white wings, and I would wrap each of my children up in that white, beautiful white, big white angel energy, light and light. And I'd do it individually with each of my kids just imagining them in their beds. So with that, and with also telling it to fuck off a lot, it did eventually leave me alone.

It did. It seemed to work. It didn't leave them the boys alone as quickly. I don't know if Davey told you about my youngest son, Harry, he was about six at the time and he started talking about the ugly man yeah so he was saying the ugly man was talking to him and the ugly man was telling him to do things

and this went on at that whole time at same time it was going on with him he was seeing it he didn't seem ultra scared and it wasn't really making him not sleep or anything like that so I sort of thought maybe the ugly man was someone that was nice But, so yeah, Harry was seeing the ugly man and talking about the ugly man a lot. And I remember even one day I was driving and he was in the back seat, in the middle, in his car seat.

And he said, look, Mom, and he pointed out at the front windscreen. He said, there's the ugly man. I never saw it. But so that was freaky. Davey probably knows more about that because I knew at that point that Davey had a lot of stuff going on as well. And I said, can you please talk to your brother? See what this is and see what's going on. So they had a talk.

And then it sort of all stopped. The ugly man thing just stopped at some point. But it went on for several months. My mum came to me one day, and she knew that we were going through all this at this point. And she told me, you need to talk to your little brother. He's been talking to me about this ugly man. At that point, like, I was angry.

I was like, why is this thing trying to hurt a little five-year-old boy? It's nothing to do with anything. I don't want to get him involved in this. He's, like, innocent. And I remember being so angry at that point. I was like in my head just telling it like you stay the fuck away from my brother. I went and talked to him. I didn't know how to talk to a five-year-old about this kind of thing without scaring him.

So I was just like, Harry, I just wanted to talk to you. I found him in his room. Obviously he's like a five-year-old, so it's hard to really talk about it without scaring him. But I was just like, do you know what's this ugly man that you've been talking to? And he just said, oh, ugly man's just somebody that comes in my room. And then I said, And then what, what do you guys talk about? And he's like, oh, nothing really.

Like, sometimes he asked me to do things. And I was like, what kind of things? And he's like, oh, he tries to scare me sometimes. And I was like, do you get scared? And he said, yeah, sometimes I get a bit scared. I said, what was one of the times that scared you? And he said he went to the toilet in his school. When he went to wash his hands, he looked in the mirror.

And it was, he said he saw a man standing behind him with mud coming out of his mouth. and like I just remember like having shivers like even right now talking about it made me feel so sick I was like what the fuck like why would a five year old have to experience this and I remember getting really angry and I just like told him like don't worry about him like he can't hurt you can't scare he's just been silly don't let him talk to you anymore he's not welcome to talk to you and then it was about oh so a couple weeks later and we were all at my auntie's house. We were all just all hanging out.

I have a whole massive family, like a whole bunch of cousins and aunties. And we're all like having a big dinner and everything. And then everyone was like, where's Harry gone? We all started looking around for Harry. And then they had like a staircase that went up to the bed where the kids' bedrooms were. So I went up the staircase.

Everyone was looking around the house and the out like out in the backyard. And then I went up to the top stairs. it was just myself, and then I was walking to the bedroom at the end of the hallway. I was walking down there, and I heard my brother, like, talking to himself. And I was like, oh, how do you see it? So I went to go open the door, and it was, like, hard to open. It was like, there was something against it. So I was like, what the hell?

I wasn't thinking anything at the time. I was just like, what the hell what's he doing in there? So I pushed it really hard, and as I pushed it, it, like, opened, and I saw a hand on the other side of the door, like a white pale hand, grasping the door knob, white, like, pale fingers. then as I pushed it and then the hand is kind of dissolved like into a mist in front of mine

and like would have happened over like two seconds like enough for me to like take good notice of what I was seeing I remember just looking at my little brother who was sitting on the top bunk and I was like what are you doing here Harry and then he's like I was talking to ugly man

at that point I was my whole skin just turned cold and I was just like that was probably the scariest moment of my life because we're just all having like a family get together So I wasn't even thinking about any of this kind of stuff. And then for that to just happen out of the blue. Before it was like I was questioning my insanity because I was seeing all these images in my own head.

And it was like, I could just explain it as an imagination. But then to see it with my own eyes and physically right there in front of me, that's when I was like, okay, like this has gone beyond me being able to doubt myself that I'm disimagining these things. Like I'm physically seeing something manifest in reality right in front of me. But then also like overcome with. anger at this thing and like wanting to protect my brother. I think the ugly man stopped bothering him eventually but things kept getting worse for

the rest of us, me and my brother. Yeah so then after that night there was just more of the same like my brother was upset and he was drinking in his room. I started drinking with him together even though I was like 15 but got back me and him started drinking together. We had fun drinking but then something would happen and he would just be upset crying or usually after we got drunk we'd start talking more about this because at that time we just didn't want to talk about it anymore like we just wanted to move on with our lives we were over it

but I could still feel this evil entity in the room but I didn't really bring it up with him until he started talking about it and that's when he told me that it like he knows it's there but he just doesn't talk to it just he just feels it hates him Steve had this friend called Paul he's just like this really friendly happy Irish Aussie guy and it's like we started having fun times like drinking and playing

like guitar hero. Like, yeah, like having crazy nights. I remember one night we were like drunk as and we were playing guitar hero. And then we're just having like a fun night as usual. And then suddenly I felt like the entity in the room which I just ignored this evil entity.

And I saw Paul looking in that area that I felt that the entity was. I saw him all of a sudden like he was clenching his fist like breathing really heavy, like he wanted to, like, kill somebody. And he just started screaming at my brother, like, saying, I want to kill you. This, like, really angry at my brother is what I remember.

It's out of the blue, like, totally out of ordinary for Paul. He was, like, just this happy, friendly, cheerful dude. And then all of a sudden he just blew up out of nowhere with, like, nothing provoking that. And just a blank stare. Like, I remember Steve, my brother being, like, looking at him, like, what have I done? What did I do wrong?

but I knew like exactly what was happening. So I like immediately grabbed him and just started trying to calm him down and I remember saying it's all right Paul I know what's happening. Don't listen to it, don't listen to it. He just snapped out of it. He just said I don't know what happened.

I just had this sudden urge to, he hurt you. That moment for me was like very shocking because that's the same feeling that I was getting from the entity that like it just wants me to hurt my brother. Now that somebody else was having that feeling really made me believe it a lot more that it wasn't just me like this is something external it was like me and dave would like all sort of make eye contact when it was like starting to happen and it was

like oh like here we go kind of thing like whether it was just like a bang on the outside of the shed or things falling off shelves like frames falling off walls that kind of thing we're all having fun and then all of a sudden like the night just like you know took on a bad turn and like it happened with Paul a few times where like he would look at me and he'd have like it was like he wasn't any like he wasn't behind his eyes anymore like there was something else there that was like looking at me like just like a murderous sort of look in its face you know like within his eyes like that wasn't him you know and then either Dave would like jump up and be like you know like sort of like getting his face and be like you know this isn't like

you know, this isn't you, this isn't you, I come back to me sort of thing, like that kind of thing. I'm pretty sure it was attached to Casey when she met them. And that's why it was dead against my oldest son, Stevie, and just wanting to get rid of him. That's how I feel about it.

He had friends that were just out of nowhere attack him. Like, yeah, they would just be sitting around talking, and the next minute he had a mate on him trying to choke. him. Like just out of the blue, out of the blue. And then the mate would be like, I don't know what happened. I don't know why I did that. So it was out to get Stevie. And I think that's what's really upset him for a long time. You know, the poor kid, horrible. There was one night where me, Paul, my brother and he had two other friends come over, Frank and Kate. And when Frank got there, The first time I met him, and I just had like a dark evil feeling for him if I didn't like him as soon as I met him, I was like, I don't like this guy.

I feel not good at all about meeting him. I felt uneasy around Frank the whole night, so I was kind of like watching him, and I had the same feeling of like the entity being in the room. I remember seeing Frank randomly staring at the bookshelf, which is like where I felt where the entity was. He got up and just started walking towards a bookshelf. I remember just having that voice in my head just telling me, you need to stop him. And he just went towards the boxshelf and I had a box cutter on the bookshelf.

As he went over to get the box cutter, I remember him being totally in a trans state, like totally calm. I remember like running over. And as soon as he put his hand on the knife, I like was on his back and I had my hand, grabbed on his hand holding the knife. And then I like there hugged him.

And then as soon as I did that, Paul ran over, grabbed me and helped me like overpower him. And he dropped the knife. And I remember talking to him, like, get out, like, talking to the evil entity, like, leave him alone, get out of him, get out of him. It was just totally out of the blue, just like totally, no prior provocation. We're all just having a good time. The main one that I remember is the night that that that knife got pulled out, and my friend's eyes were just, you know, like, rolling in the back of his head.

That was the closest that it actually came into, like, physical confrontation. He was sort of just, like, dead staring me in the eyes with, like, this, like, sort of, sort of, super like murderous look in his eyes. And he grabbed the flick knife that was on the bookcase and came at me with it. And I sort of just like sat there like sort of just like laughing at him like what are you doing with that? Like it was all sort of normal and then all of a sudden it just like sort of flicked. And he was super cranked like super angry and my brother and my other friend were like holding him back. And he eventually like dropped it and then went outside.

It all was just like sort of happening around me. Like it was all sort of normal. And then all of a sudden it just like sort of flicked. Or like the feeling in the room would just like change. Just like a really dark, oppressive, like mass in the room. And then I guess it would like go away as well. And then we would just like carry on as normal afterwards, I guess. I don't know.

It's just like it's weird. After that as well, my mum, she was like coming and talking to me. Like what's happening? Like I'm feeling this uneasy feeling around me as well. One day she came back, she said that she'd been attacked by a crow, which was really random. But she said it was like a really uneasy feeling. Like it was the crow wasn't a crow.

Like it was some evil thing. It was like a day or two after that. She went to go to her car and she like screamed. And I was like, oh, what's going on? And then I went to the car. And there was like three dead birds inside of her car. But her door was locked. All the windows were up.

What the fuck? Yeah. That's another thing that I haven't been able to explain to this day. I don't know if Davey told you about the black birds in my car. I got up to go to work and I had two black dead birds in my front seat of my car. I ran and got Davey and I said, my God, my God, look, this is ridiculous. This is ridiculous. Now I've got dead birds in my car and he got them out and put him in the rubbish for me.

I was getting ready for school and then she went to go start the car up to warm it up because, like, we live in camera. It's really cold, so you have to, like, defrost the windows. She went outside. I was inside, and then I just heard her screaming. I was like, don't worry, I'll deal with it. Like, she was overreacting, so I decided to just go inside. I'll get rid of them.

I opened the door. On the front seat, there was just these dead birds that had been mutilated. I didn't really want to take a good look at it and exactly, like, obsessed where these birds had been killed or how they'd been killed, but there was, like, blood on them. and I remember just picking them up, putting them in the garbage bag, and then throwing them in the wheelie bin. I just closed the door.

Went back inside and my mom was freaking out. She said the doors were all locked. All the windows were wound up. She's like, you would think I would know if I, like, close the door and the birds were in there, and then they suffocated or something. And I remember feeling like, oh, I don't want to, because she thought they suffocated,

so I didn't want to tell her that they were, like, bloody as well. And the only thing I could think in my head was like maybe a cat kid, killed them and put them in there, but like it didn't look like a cat killed them. Like these were just like something you'd cut them or something. There's also something else that happened that I didn't know if I wanted to talk about because it sounds so fucking ridiculous in a way. So it was before my mum got attacked by the crows, but I was sitting in the room. Yeah, so when I would receive messages, it would, I would just be in this weird state

where I was kind of just like a blank slate. There was no thoughts in my head. and I would just get these, these, it sounds like a thought, but it's not in my own voice and it would just pop in like a thought and all it said was he can turn into a crow. The voice told, from my guardian angel, told me that this evil entity can manifest in it as a crow and when he first said that I was, when I heard that, I just thought like, what is the relevance to that? How is this going to help me get rid of this thing? So I told my brother that this guardian angel told me that he can manifest as a crow.

And then as he said that, we looked at the shelf and there was a picture of a, it was a cardboard whiskey box for a four-pack can, and it was called Old Crow Whiskey, and there was a picture of a crow on it. I immediately just had the feeling like, we need to get rid of this, we need to burn this. And I told my brother,

we need to burn this when you get rid of this. In my mind, I knew that, you know, obviously this was just an empty piece of rubbish, but for some reason I thought if I put enough energy into me burning him, it was like I could cast him out just through my own thoughts in a way. Like if I thought, if I believe strong enough that I was burning this piece of cardboard in ethogy of this evil entity, that it would actually do something to get rid of it. We took it outside and I just remember repeating in my head over and over again.

Like as I started burning it, I just remember saying like, you're going to leave us now. You're not welcome anymore. You have no purpose here. you don't scare us. And I remember as I was starting to burn it, it was kind of taunting me in my head, kind of saying like, oh, this isn't going to achieve anything.

Like, trying to make it sound like what we were doing was stupid. And there was a part of me that was like, this is so fucking dumb. But then there was another part of me that was thinking, if I believe it's strong enough that this is you, then I am burning you. And I remember just kept in repeating myself, like, get out, you're not welcome.

I'm not scared of you. And I remember when I started burning it, we heard like sizzling like blood. My brother even said, is that blood coming out? Because it looked like black liquid was coming out of it. And it was sizzling. As soon as my brother said, is that blood coming out, I started hearing screaming in my ears, like screaming in pain.

And I remember, like, that encouraged me to, like, push further and be like, you're leaving now, you're leaving now, you're finally gone. And I was, like, laughing at it while it was burning. And then it fully burnt out. And then I just had this silence in my head, like, as soon as the pack of wood, It went from like screaming to all of a sudden, just like dead, deafening silence. And then I remember me and my brother who started like crying. And we were just like overcome with emotion.

And I was like, we did it. We got rid of it. It's gone now. And then we went back to our room and like we were both just like in this state of like kind of just peace. It's, it did actually start to die down. Like it wasn't definitely, it wasn't gone permanently. But it was getting less intense. I just started drifting away from my brother and Paul.

Like, you know, they turned, they were probably 18, 19 at this point, and I was turning 16. So I started hanging out with people my own age at school. And I'd go to house parties. I was trying my best to ignore this whole thing. It's kind of settled down, like, this whole negative energy. And from the ages of like 16 to 18, I would kind of get overwhelmed every now and then when I was drunk. Or if something negative was around me or just say I would feel this dark energy take me over and at that point I just wanted to ignore it completely. I didn't want to think about it.

It's almost like the best way I could put it was like it was like knocking at the door, like asking for like entrance into my mind in a way. So when it got to that stage of the anticipation building up, I would try anything to not acknowledge it. So I'd try and distract myself, like pinching myself, slapping myself. And then when I felt like the anticipation building up, I'd start like punching myself. Just in a lot of it's in a lot of a way to distract myself enough. And then if it wasn't working, sometimes I'd just lose control. Punch a wall.

Like, the pain would sometimes be enough to not allow it to get access to me. I think, like, the fear of me being taken over by this thing, this evil entity, was more of a sacrifice than me physically being hurt at that time. like the fear of that was enough to make me hit myself but it actually helped I think I was like so desperate to not let this thing take a hold of me like to anyone that saw me doing this where like it happened a couple times

that like kind of house parties were like three or four of people I knew around and they like definitely thought I was just insane but it's not that out of the ordinary for like drunk teenagers to do crazy erratic things so no one really brought it up, but it definitely was on my mind that people, I was aware that people probably thought I was insane for doing this,

but, you know, most people the next morning never mentioned it. It was just like kind of some, Dave got drunk and got super emotional. Yeah, looking back on it, sounds crazy, but at the time, what happened to me felt so real. So, yeah, it was the only way I could really deal with that. I don't, like, I don't know how it's, like, honestly don't really know how it stopped.

like they've all just sort of like blurred together for me in a way like it was so long ago now uh yeah it's not like it's not nice to think about because it wasn't a great time for me like it really wasn't a great time like it was really awful and then it just like it stopped it all stopped happening and then i just spent the next sort of you know four or five years trying to like forget that it all had happened, I guess. And yeah, I struggled for a long time after it. All right. We'll be right back after this quick break. So as I mentioned before, I spoke to David and Stephen multiple times for many hours

in order to understand this strange story. Normally, you'd expect some sort of big event to come and save the day, but in their case, that's not really what happened. Life kind of just continued on, and they sort of tried to move past it and ignore that this thing was around them affecting their lives. This presence would continue to haunt them, but for the most part,

the intensity of those high school years did calm down a bit. I know that they continuously went through years of feeling like a black cloud was lingering over them and worrying that this thing might come back or that it never left in the first place. As you just heard, David even went to the point of physically hurting himself at times when he felt like the voice might start communicating with him again

or even taking over. So a couple of years went by like this. After high school, David ended up moving, and that's when the presence of this entity seemed to be coming back into his life. At this point, David told me that he had gotten into a really dark place in life, a darkness that he thinks started

when he was just 15 in that granny flat, and as much as he tried to ignore it, he felt that this presence was still hovering over him, impacting his life, and it seemed like other people might be able to sense that too. Yeah, so we had like a period of me and my brother kind of stopped talking about this whole evil entity and all the stuff that was happening to us.

and we just started living pretty normal lives. I was hanging out more with my rugby friends again. My older brother was hanging out with these friends. I met a girl on Tinder. She was just very negative to my life, like make me depressed. She never worked. Like took all my money. And this went on for like two years of just kind of being in a hole.

And I tried to break over there the whole time as fucked, but she just know how to manipulate me. I remember I broke up with it once and I was walking down the road and then I just hear like these footsteps like slambing down the road so I turned around and she just king hit me this punch me right in the nose

yeah this real abusive type shit you and your brother seem to have really great taste in women oh wild I'm lucky I've finally picked someone way too good for me

I started to like think about what happened when I was younger a bit more and started to think like maybe this demon never left it's still around it's just like making my life hell around that time I just met a friend from cleaning a hotel's and he was like in a Christian family which I didn't really know at the time his mom was actually the manager of the hotel and then the mum started talking to me about coming to church I thought it was stupid at the time like I was never even with all this stuff that happened to me I kind of, some reason I was turned against church in general.

But like, they were just like a really happy, like New Zealand, Irelander family. They were like super generous, like looked after me well. So I was like, all right, I'll come. And I went to church with them once and it was like just really nice. It was only about seven people there and it was all his family. His uncle was the guy who led the service or whatever. And it was just like a really peaceful, nice experience.

And then I started praying. It was like the first time I ever prayed. and I walked up this hill that was next to my girlfriend's house. And at that time I just felt like hopeless, depressed, suicidal. And I remember like I found this like open area at the top of this hill, probably like a 10, 20 minute walk up this mountain. And I like found this moment. I had like this desperate moment of like, please,

this something helped me. I need something to change. I can't live like this anymore. I need a sign that you're here looking after me. And then as soon as I said that, like I had my eyes closed looking down to the ground. And then this like these six magpies all just swept me at one. I just all started flying around swooping me, attacking me, and I was like, crying. It's like, what is going on? Why?

Like, I'm asking you for help, and you're just, like, sending these birds to attack me. But also, I've got to have this healing of, like, I don't know, like, it was something they're watching me, like a god was watching over me or something, for some reason, even though I'm getting attacked. Yeah, like, it felt like, even though it was a bad sign, like, I was getting attacked, like it did feel like, it kind of felt like it was like, yeah, I'm not going to do it up for you. It wasn't long after that I invited my girlfriend to this my new Christian friend's house

and we're all having fun and then as we're leaving my friend's father-in-law like stopped me and my girlfriend and then said you're no longer welcome here anymore you're not a welcome in the house you've brought a demon into the house

and I was like what the fuck like why the fuck are you saying that so my girlfriend got in the car and she's like fuck you I don't want to come here anymore anyway We both, she like said, let's go, so I got in the car to drive away, but I was really upset. My girlfriend's like, who the fuck? Who are these people you brought me to?

Like, they're fucking, we gotta go, this is fucked. And I was like, no, no, I'm going up to talk to them. Like, they've been telling me, like, anyone's welcome and then they tell you this shit, like, this is bullshit. So I, like, stormed upstairs, really pissed off. I, like, went back into the house. Like, they had a staircase going into the living room. I, like, stormed up the staircase. And I was like, hey, how dare you, like, say anyone?

welcome and then you accuse me of bringing a demon into the house. Out of the, like, quarter of my eye, the kitchen's like behind me on the right side. I just see this guy walk into the room. All of a sudden I realized it was a priest and I was like, what's he doing? He just says like with this loud voice, like, get this demon out of this boy. And as soon as he said that, I just went into shock. I fell under the ground and I just started feeling this burning that I like hadn't felt since I was like 15. My emotion went from being really angry to surprised. Because he didn't just come in and say, like, get out of this boy and a calm voice. He came in with like a booming.

He's like a big islander guy. He came with like a booming voice and said, demon, get out of this boy. And I was like so shocked. And I think this immediately like brought all these memories to the front of my head. And my whole body just collapsed. Like I just like I just like fell like a limp. I just went limp. My whole body just went limp.

I collapsed on the floor. And then I remember the priest grabbed my arm and he said, get out of this boy and he squeezed my hand. And then I just felt like this burning feeling starting in my heart just went through my chest, through my shoulder and through my hand and getting sucked into the priest's hand. And then at the same time I had. my friend's mom and his auntie

on either side of my shoulder like get out of this boy get out of this boy and also speaking in tongues which was like speaking in essentially gibberish and I just remember being like insanely overwhelmed I was tears flying out of my face and I had this feeling that they were like taking something from me like something that I was a part of me now

like it'd been growing in me and it's like become a part of me and I didn't want to let it go and then I just had this voice in my head just tell me like to say that it's gone, to say it's over, to say it's over, like a desperate sound. It was like desperately trying not to get taken away from me. It felt like it was part of my own body at that time. Like it didn't feel like this evil entity. It felt like it was a part of me getting sucked out into this priest's hand.

And it was like pleading with me like, please just tell them it's over. Just tell them you've fixed. Just tell me you're fixed. Desperate, like really desperate feeling. And I felt like it was, I felt like the energy that moved from my heart was like, it was like half of it had been sucked out of my body. and it was like the last little bit of it was like gripping into like near my elbow. I remember just being like,

ah, you fixed me and like pretending and being like, oh, it's okay, it's gone now. You fix me, thank you. Thank you so much. I'm like lying to them. Because I like I felt that it was like a part of me at then. I didn't want to let it go.

But I also knew that like what it was. Like I knew it was like this evil side of me that like I didn't want to be a part of me anymore. I could kind of tell that they knew that I was lying in a way and then like trying to get me to stay and then they were telling me like it's her, it's her, you need to break up with her like you need to not be around her like we can help you, we can help you

and I was like, thank you so much thank you so much like thank you for helping me thank you for saving me and this is all so weird for my personality like to be honest it's really for me to even be at church is like a massive

something totally out of the ordinary and then for this to happen was like shocked me because I'd spent like years just not even thinking about this kind of thing and like kind of just thinking it was all bullshit and then I just left I just left the house yes I'm walking down the stairs and my heart is just racing I feel absolutely defeated I felt like I let this entity stay inside me

and I started to believe it all again And I was like, oh God, this thing has been ruining my life and this was the opportunity to get rid of it, but I'm too scared. I'm like become attached to it. And like I've become attached to this thing and I like wanted to be a part of me. I felt embarrassed that I like lost control like that. And I was like so paranoid for like what I was about to deal with with my girlfriend at the time being in the car.

I knew I had to just like try and put on a straight face immediately after this happening to me. And like pretend that nothing happened. because I didn't want her to know that I just had an exorcism take place. It just escalated insanely quickly. I went through all these emotions of being accused of bringing a demon into this guy's house and then me being totally offended by that and upset. And then all of a sudden I'm having an exorcism done on me out of nowhere

and being totally overwhelmed by it actually working and bringing all these emotions that I had when I was 15 back. It was just like an insanely overwhelming passage of events. I felt like I just ran a marathon or something. My body was aching. I was drenched in sweat. I felt numb. I was feeling pins and needles all over my body.

And I also felt kind of dirty. I felt it was like a feeling of being a complete loser. Yeah, so as I'm walking to the car, I feel all these feelings. And then I remember, like, getting close to opening the door and be like, all right, I need to put a straight face on. I can't let her see me like this. So I just opened the door and I was like, yeah, fuck, I just told him like to get fucked.

I'm never coming back. And then I remember on the drive home, just like her venting and just like being like, oh, fuck them, they're fucking cuns. You're never seeing them again? I was like, yeah, of course. I don't want to see them again. That was fucked. But the whole time I was like just emptyheaded,

like just thinking about what the hell just happened to me. I wasn't even really listening to what she was saying. After this experience with my friend with the, exorcism. I definitely felt that this thing never left and it's still with me. I went through like another year and a half of like hell with this ex-girlfriend. We broke up. After that I got insanely depressed. I was depressed because she was gone. I was depressed that like I put up with her for so many years. I just like couldn't take it anymore. I ended up moving to Sydney. Just on a whim. I had a day off work. I applied for a job in Sydney and then I

went up there with like $300 and they told me like, can you start on Thursday? And then I met my wife about a year after I moved here. And then we had a kid two years after that. I knew this thing was like never gone, but, you know, everything started going real well for me. My new wife is amazing. My daughter was amazing. But I always felt that it was still there, never left.

And then my daughter got diagnosed with a rare kidney condition, genetic condition when she was three months old. Essentially, she needed to get a kidney transplant. We were told by the doctors that it's not like a really great success rate of her getting to a certain age to get the kidney. I ended up being the kidney donor. And leading up towards the getting the transplant and I was like, I started freaking out about this demon again.

And I started having nightmares again. And then I had this dream where it like went. It was in my room. And then I told it to leave my room. And then I saw it run into my daughter's room. So I was like, what the fuck? So I, like, followed it in there. And then it was, like, this big, scary demon, like, standing over my daughter's bed.

I got so fucking angry. I, like, run over and grabbed it by the throat. And I was like, don't you fucking go near my daughter. He, like, started off this big scary demon. And I was, like, squeezing his throat. He, like, shriveled up into this, like, tiny little thing. And he was, like, begging me to, like, gas me prayer. And then I, like, wake up.

And I was, like, drenched in sweat. Like, what the fuck was that? And leading up towards the... getting the transplant, I decided that I should start meditating or just something to help me process what was happening. Yeah, so I started doing a lot of meditation. I got, become like obsessed with it. I found the Monroe tapes on the forum on Reddit, and I had no idea what they were about. I just thought they were like these cool meditation tapes. So I started looking into the tapes more and I realized that like the Monroe tapes are made to induce out of body experiences.

And I just became obsessed with these tapes. Like I was doing them two, three, sessions a day. It was like a whole new reality, a whole new different version of how you can live your life. I started one night, I just had this really intense out-a-body experience. I feel like I finally was able to like come to terms with what this evil entity was and like through doing these tapes, I felt like I was actually able to get rid of it. Yeah, so I'd just done like a breathwork when I was in bed. Usually I'd do the breathwork for like an hour and then I would put the tape. on while I would lay in bed with my eyes closed. I was still awake and conscious, but it was like I viewing myself and staring down at myself when there was an old man standing next to my body.

He's got like a top hat, like a trench coat, like an old scarred up face. Like immediately I just was like, okay, I know like what this is. I'm feeling a bit scared at this point, but I also know that like, no, like I'm strong enough to deal with this now. Like, a lot has changed, you know, like, I'm a father now. Like, you've been through so much that this doesn't scare you anymore. You're stronger than this. And at first, I, like, try and deal with it, like, how I used to deal with it. Like, I was like, get out of here, you're not welcome.

And then as I was saying that, it was, like, gaining power. It was, like, like, started morphing into, like, a giant, like, stereotypical demon. You know, like, big horns, just a monster-like face. I remember it got a lot taller it was like crowding over the top of my body I had this feeling in my heart that like that's not the way to deal with it like there's something deeper

I started feeling this feeling of like it was sad and it was like it was like a part of me like I realized that this thing had been with me for 15 years and it that I could become a part of my personality and then I started to like feel emotional

that like getting rid of it was like actually saying goodbye to like a big part my life. And as I was having these thoughts, the entity that was next to me started to morph into me. And it was like a version of me that was like this kind of like fake bravado, like cool version of myself. And I felt really connected to it and I felt really upset. Like it just felt like it just wanted to be heard and that like I, like, I, you didn't want to leave, but it knew that it was time to go. And it was like really emotional.

It was weird. It went from fear to like sadness. And it was like facing a part of myself that I knew wasn't needed anymore. And there was like parts of it that I would miss. But I knew that it was not serving me in any way anymore. It had just been dragging me down. So I remember just saying like, oh, it's time for you to go. I'm sorry that I made you feel this way and I let you down.

It was like a, it was like saying sorry to myself from when I was depressed and like suicidal and upset. And like I felt like I let that part of myself down. I just remember feeling this feeling of releasing it. And it was like, went from like a sad emotion to all of a sudden like relief and like euphoria that I'd like finally overcome something. And then I remember. just having this feeling of like this is it this is permanent like this is permanently gone now you've like we've done it and then after that moment like i've never had anything like this is a yeah first time in my life i'm a 30-year-old man where i feel like i have control over my own mind

from this entity so yeah it's been a like insane part of my life to like discover these tapes and discover like this meditation. It's been like six months since then. My daughter actually, we had the transplant surgery about four months ago now. So about two months after this happened. And like of course that was a really hard time. But we got through it.

She's, you know, the transplant was successful. My kidney's working great. She's just like become so much stronger. And like like her running around and like playing with. her and it's just like such a blessing like she's such a sweet girl um it's given me just like such a new appreciation of life it's like i've been given a second chance to live my perfect life my wife has you know just been a rock for me she's grounded me i recently just got an even like better job lined up in a different city so we're moving um just feels like since that moment

everything's just, I've gotten like more clarity and everything's just become, yeah, way better. I've been given a fresh start. And the same thing for my brother, like, you know, it's still like very raw for him this whole thing, but he's got himself a son and a wife and yeah, our lives just turned around a lot. Yeah, so looking back on the whole thing, I spent years like blaming Casey for bringing it into my house and also kind of doubting that Casey had some kind of abilities that would like manipulate us into thinking that this was what was happening, but it really wasn't. But to be honest, I only probably spent 12 times even seeing Casey. Obviously my brother was around her a lot more than that.

And I just remember having a really, I was really curious about what led her to be how she was. Like she was, seemed like every day being taken over by some being or communicating with her dead friends or. And then she just left. I never saw it. We never talked to her again. Just out of the blue just left and then left us with this whole situation to deal with afterwards. And definitely something like I wouldn't want to track her down and talk to her.

Especially just like how much it affected my brother and still affects me and him. but obviously, yeah, it was like his first girlfriend and, like, she, you know, she broke his heart. So it's obviously a lot of pain that happened, not just a normal heartbreak, but then being left with this evil entity for years. Like, it's just something we'd want to leave in the past and just move on from, really. And then I saw her only one more time. Me and my brother were walking through the shopping center, probably three or two years or, after or three years after. And she was just working in a coffee shop.

It was a shock to see her. It kind of gave me anxiety. I was straight away like sweating and heart racing. My brother, as soon as he saw her, I was like, let's go, let's go. I don't want to talk to her. I don't want her to see her. I don't want her to see me.

And just kind of, I'd build this image in my head of her being some kind of, you know, like witch, I guess, like from a story. And then after two years and just seeing her working in the coffee shop, she looked a lot more just like an innocent normal person than I remembered. She was just a person. It wasn't like this evil image that I built up in my head of her. I like have no ear will towards her.

I don't know how much she probably could have had the same thing we had. This evil entity could have done things to her for years before we had anything to do with it. So I just wish her all the best and I hope she's doing well. That was the last time I ever saw her. I saw her once at that coffee shop in the thing, but I just saw her, like, sort of just like out of the corner of my eye and then just was in some of this turn around on left. It was like meeting Casey sort of like a woker side,

just like a spiritual side to both me and Dave had sort of been like opened. Like it started out, it was just like a pretty harmless sort of experience at first. But then once things went downhill with me and Casey and whether it was, whether she purposely left something attached to me to cause me grief or whether she had done something and not known it and left like the energy of that around and she wasn't there afterwards to like temper that in some sort of way or whatever and it got out of control. But I definitely think that what happened to us was like a direct, like, was just directly caused by something that she did.

Whether it was intentional or whether it was like accidental is another question. But I think a lot of it definitely ties in to her. Yeah. So it's like it's not a time in my life that I like, well, I don't bring it up to other people that I think about it quite a lot still. But it's not something that I sort of like, you know, tell people about very often. It's like it left its effects on,

I think all of us, like all of my friends and I think it sort of affected us all in different ways. And we've all sort of gone on different paths in trying to like reconcile what happened. Yeah, my life now is a happy life. Like it's a pretty normal life. I'm, you know, happy with my partner. We've got a young kid. And there's still that thing in the background where, you know, it's still some, something I think about and still something that doesn't affect my day to day, but if I spend too

long thinking about it, it can kind of, you know, set me off on a, you know, pretty down, would, like, you know, I might have a couple of down days thinking about it every now and then, but for the most part, it's, you know, just more now something I look back on and sort of like, I don't know. I don't know why it still affect me really, like, so negatively. It's just, it's just like sort of can be a bit unsettling I guess to like think that there's negative entities that can like really fuck with you if they want to I think it was a specific entity I think it was I think it was I think it was some sort of I mean you could call it a deem and you could just call it like a you know a bad energy

or a bad entity or something like that but that's what I think it was it's a pretty uneasy, like, thought that there's stuff like that that actually exists, I guess, whether it's human itself or if it's something else. Like, that's a pretty, you know, unsettling thought. And now it's just more now something I look back on and sort of like, yeah, I don't know. Like, yeah, what happened? Like, what was this thing? Is it ever coming back?

Yeah, I don't know. Thank you to David, Stephen, and their mom, Linda, for talking to me and sharing this story. I know that certain parts of this were not easy to share. I think what struck me most about all of this is how long the saga was. That last section, where David finally faced down this thing and hopefully got rid of it, was only like six months ago. This started when he was 15,

and just now, at the age of 31, he was finally able to face it head on and hopefully get rid of it. And I think Stephen might still be struggling with all of this in his own way. To me, a relatable part of this story is how sometimes somebody could come into your life and do things that leave a massive impact on you for years, even if they're around for just a short period of time. and this is especially true when you're young. A first relationship, like Stephen was in with Casey, and getting your heartbroken for the first time,

can really leave an impact on you and mess you up for way longer than it should. And I think at a certain point, if you hold on to this stuff for too long, it becomes your problem to deal with, not the person who caused it, which is, I think, exactly what David ended up realized. So wherever Casey is, I genuinely hope she's doing a lot better than she was back then.

And I hope that Stephen and David continue to get better and live happy lives free of whatever this was. This episode was called The Granny Flat Part 2, and you've been listening to Otherworld. Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our producers are Theo Schaefer, Theo Krantz, Haley Pearson, and Nikki Kate Delgado. Our theme song is by Cobra Man. The soundtrack of this episode is by North Americans and Juice Jackal. Our artwork is by Coldassack Studios.

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