Otherworld - Episode 152: Phantom Channel

Episode Date: January 20, 2026

In the first part of this episode, Beau, an audio engineer and music producer, agrees to record a few singles with their roommate’s band at an old converted barn turned recording studio, and what begins as an unexplained whispering soon escalates into the manifestation of a tall, cloaked figure appearing directly before them. In the second part, Xavier and Connor are crashing at a noise house filled with fellow musicians when a friend’s ritual, meant to summon a Servitor or Tulpa to help write music, makes itself known in the middle of the night. Check out our Merch⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow us on:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ For business inquiries contact: [e-mail] If you have experienced something paranormal or unexplained, email us your story at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[e-mail] To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. This episode features two stories that both revolve around DIY bands and recording. If you aren't familiar with that term or the DIY music scene, this stands for Do It Yourself, and it's sort of an all-encompassing term for independent bands, venues, record labels, and various projects run by friends in a specific air. usually with very little money. A DIY venue where you might see a show is often a giant old house or a warehouse with way too many people living in it. Lots of people coming and going all the time, out-of-town bands, crashing on couches who are on tour around the country playing at other, very similar DIY spaces in different cities.

cities, usually just making enough money to pay for gas to get between these various venues. This is all to say that anyone who has been a part of a scene like this can tell you that completely insane things are happening all the time. Like real life, non-paranormal things that are harder to believe than any ghost story you might hear on this show. if you weren't there to witness it yourself. So much so that a supernatural experience occurring in a place like this might be only the third or fourth weirdest thing going on at any given day in a place like this, which adds an interesting layer to the stories you're about to hear.

The first one comes from a guy named Bo, who is a producer, an audio engineer from Toronto, and in this story, they're recording their roommates band in a barn that they rented outside of town. The second story is an interview I did a long, long time ago about two guys living in a DIY house where somebody tried to use chaos magic to summon an entity named Romona to make music. This episode is called Phantom Channel

and you're listening to Otherworld. Is this Bobby? At its core, the science, you can't argue. I'm worried about all of a sudden. It's almost frustrating that it's happening. I'm going to die. I'm going to die. It's limbs were just like wrong.

Everybody moves back into the light, even if it takes them ahead. I'm Bo. I'm a music producer and audio engineer based out of Toronto, Canada. I've been working in music and audio. post-production for almost 10 years, and I make records with people. That's my job. I'm grateful to do what I do. Being an audio engineer is a really varied and technical and also creative profession.

It means that I'm recording people. It means that I'm recording everything from, I've done dialogue, voiceovers for TV shows, I've done big bands, I've done orchestral and string quartet recording. I've done a lot of rap and singing, and I love working. as a vocal producer. It's varied in terms of what I do job to job and that's part of why I love it and it keeps you creative. You have to stay up to date on everything technical and it's really focused on telling other people's stories. That's part of what drew me to it and that's a really rewarding thing to get to do. I work with different bands in Toronto. It's one of the things

that I really like to do. We actually throw shows in my house. I live in a sort of DIY queer punk house venue in the east end of Toronto called the Arcade. So my roommate who I live at the Arcade with is named Tim and Tim's a drummer. Tim has drummed for different bands and formed a band called Crocus with some friends of theirs. And they had talked to me, this was last summer, so just exactly a year ago, Tim had told me that they were looking at wanting to go and record their band's EP. Crocus's music is kind of like shoe gaze, doom gaze, sort of like a lot of bass and heavy.

I'd been to their shows and I really love their sound. And so when Tim asked me to possibly work with their band on recording their first EP, I got really excited about that. Right from the get, they had been talking about wanting to go out of town to record. The thing about living in Toronto and Southern Ontario is there's a lot of really beautiful places out of the city, converted barns, converted churches. There's a lot of rural pockets that people move to places like Prince Edward County and Guelph, that people wind up building or converting beautiful spaces into recording studios or mixing studios. and that's what they were looking at doing, I think.

For the band, they were all really busy. And so being able to set the time aside for the four of them was meaningful for them. So yeah, they approached me for that. And there's a lot of planning that you kind of go into a recording session with, especially when you have a fixed amount of time. So part of my role, being both the engineer and the producer co-producing this EP with Krokus, meant that we were planning on being there for two days, and we were going to cut four songs.

We were only going to be up for Friday and Saturday, and then leaving on Sunday. We drove up really early Friday morning, and I drove up with my roommate Tim, the drummer, and Crocus's bassist, Jess. And then Jordan and Jesse are the guitarist and the vocalist, respectively. So we're going to this barn. Jess had already recorded there before.

This barn was on a beautiful plot of land close to, like within a few hours of the city. And so we arrived sometime around 11 or 12 and started setting up. The barn was really big. I think this barn, they sometimes have little concerts in it. And there's a lot of vintage and I think sort of secondhand antique furniture that they store in it, which was really beautiful. as I walked through the space, I wouldn't say I'm like a super medium or anything like that, but I would say I pick up on vibes a little bit.

And there was a couple of little sort of pockets, specifically when we were setting up drums. There's, you know, one of those sliding doors behind the drums that were kind of on this plinth. Kind of felt like there was something behind the door. Obviously, it was just storage. It didn't feel weird or in a distress. way, it just felt like we were guests in this very old space. By the end of that sort of first day, I think we went until at least 10 or 11 at night. We were all pretty tired, and so we crashed in a nearby building.

And so by day two, we were up, setting up in the morning. We were drinking lots of coffee, had some breakfast, and we started tracking guitars. As we set up, Jordan's had these two big amp cabs and I miced them up. As Jordan's tracking guitars, this wasn't right when we started, but it was close to when we started. Jess and I look at each other because Jordan's playing and we're sort of hearing what sounds like somebody talking, but it was at a really low level. It was kind of like murmuring, and then it would be sort of like I hear this like that's

the best impression I can give, like something's down a hall, like, you know, when you hear a conversation that's happening on a different floor of a house or something, and you can just hear it sort of carrying through the vents, but it's just quiet enough that you can tell that something's saying something, somebody's saying something, but it's out of earshot, so you can't make it out. And that was what was coming up when we were listening on the headphones as Jordan was recording guitars. And that was what was bothering me is we've got these big amp stacks, Jordan's playing this huge, these really loud, you know, stacks of thick, low guitar tone. And then we're hearing this sort of murmur underneath that. If you're an engineer,

if an audio engineer, I'll explain that there's this thing that happens with cell phones and with radio signal called RF or interference, which for like layman's terms is basically like microphones or gear or wiring picking up sound or waves from elsewhere. So that could be AM or FM radio signal, that could be stuff that's kind of picking up, causing these like, which is what it sounds like through analog gear with phones or laptops or iPads. But this didn't sound like any of that. I've picked up radio noise. And the studio owner also told us that he'd never had issues recording where there was radio interference. So we stopped Jordan as he's tracking,

because I have to check. It's part of my job to make sure that the recording is going to be usable. So I play it back, and there's nothing. That sounds like what Jess and I were hearing through these headphone boxes. So then I think, well, maybe it's just the headphones. I don't know. I just sort of at that point, I'm nodding, and I'm looking at my talent, which is the guitarist,

and I'm thinking, okay, I've got to keep this. ball rolling where this isn't actually affecting the quality of the audio, so we can keep rolling. So that's what we do. It's pretty prominent, this sort of murmuring. Jordan's not hearing it, Tim's not hearing it, only Jess and I are hearing it on our headphones. We swap headphones, doesn't fix it. Swap boxes, doesn't fix it. We're just like, all right, we're just going to keep rolling. So we cut all the guitars, we cut a bunch of really cool layers, some feedback, all this stuff that's really helping the music sound really beefy and good. And I'm stoked because it's really nice

to have a bunch of layers for mixing later, for something like that that's part of a mix record sound really full and less like demos. And so then we transition over to starting to cut vocals. And for anybody who's worked with a vocalist, that usually means that you want the vocalist to feel comfortable. We want to minimize too many cooks in the kitchen, So Tim and Jordan were really sweet and they were like,

you know what, Jesse will let you and Jess and Bo kind of have this space. So they drove into town and they were going to get us dinner and stuff. And so we start tracking vocals. This barn is real big and I'm set up with Pro Tools and the computer and stuff that I'm using in this back corner of this barn. and I'm facing into the barn, I'm facing at the doors. I can see everything from where I'm sitting in the corner. So Jesse, the singer, who has the most beautiful, crystal clear, powerful soprano singing voice,

just an incredible vocalist. And I was really excited to be diving into this with her, knowing that we didn't have to feel pressure to get the leads and doubles for every song done that day. So Jess is sitting in this wing back armchair with my dog on her lap, and then Jesse is sitting a little bit in front between us holding the mic. And we do a couple songs. We decide, you know, what parts we're going to record later, what she feels good cutting now. And then we sort of dive into the third song, and the song is talking about brooches of consent. and so I think the subject matter in the song and the melody itself follows this, that feeling of grief and anger and sort of the complex nuances of going through something that feels violating and hard, but it's very beautiful. The melody is very haunting.

So she's just finished writing a lot of these lyrics and is sort of sounding out the melody for this song. and, you know, when someone's singing really close to you, they might not feel comfortable with you sort of staring at them. So I'd turn around in my chair, I'm facing out into the barn, and Jess, who's sitting in the chair, she's facing me, so she can see my face, and I look up at the door because I see this movement sort of out of the corner of my eye as Jesse's singing.

and it's not Tim and Jordan. It's something entirely different. When I look at the door, what I'm seeing is not a person. It just looks like this eight or nine foot-footed or sort of cowled shadow is just standing there. The closest comparison I can make is it looks like a shrouded sort of Nasgul type of figure and from Lord of the Rings. It doesn't look like it's sucking up the light around it, in the way that people will often describe shadow things in different ways.

You could still see the light behind it. There was a lamp on, you know, close to the front of the barn. It was, seemed hooded. I couldn't see its face. I couldn't see eyes or a mouth or hands. But it seemed just very physically there, as if somebody was wearing a thick, very dark, opaque, black, cowled cloak, but it was very tall, and it was just this very large shadow figure.

And I didn't see sleeves. It didn't move its hands. It was sort of standing behind this large post or beam that was structurally holding. up that part of the roof and then it just looked like it had physical weight. It didn't look like it was hovering or flying or floating or anything like that. It did really seem like it was sort of standing there. And I just stare at it. I'm so, I think there's that moment when you see something and you,

it's like getting doused with cold water or something where you realize what you thought you saw is not what's happening and your brain's going really fast. That's what was happening for me. I'm trying to make sense of it. I'm realizing I'm having a supernatural or paranormal experience in this moment and my first thought is well I don't want to ruin the vocal take so I think I probably gasped but I think I covered my mouth and at that point probably only after a few seconds of me staring at the thing and seeing it and processing that it's not Tim and Jordan,

the thing sort of, it didn't twitch, but it's like it noticed that I was looking at it, and very quickly, it sort of zips into the corner of the building. And it was like eight or nine feet tall, so it's

this, if I had blinked out, it would have been there, and then gone in the space of me blinking, but I was staring at it, gobsmacked and totally shocked. So I saw it do this sort of zip thing into the corner where the kitchenette was, and it was gone. It wasn't like the light around it changed. There wasn't any other movement.

It was as if it had maybe just come too close. and Jess, who was sitting in the chair and had watched my face or noticed me, just says to me, you look like you saw a ghost. You're so pale, like you, are you okay? And I said, I think I did. And both Jess and Jesse went, oh my God, no, where? What? And they both stood up, and I, at this point, I think I was shaking a little bit.

and I just did the normal thing that you see in every trope of a horror movie or thriller movie where the person raises their finger, their shaking hand and points in the area where they saw the thing. And they both went, oh, what did it look like? It's a little bit of a blur for me. I don't remember what I said. I think I probably just said it was standing there. It was tall.

It wasn't Jordan. And I thought it was Tim and Jordan and it wasn't. so we are all standing and staring at where I saw it. I sort of took a breath and I walked over there. Jess and Jesse are both telling me, don't go over there, what are you doing? What are you doing? Don't go over there.

But I walked over there because it didn't feel malevolent. And I out loud said, we understand that we're guests here on this land and in this space. And we've come here to make something beautiful and create something. You can listen. We're not saying you can't observe this, whatever you are,

but please don't interrupt again so that we can finish what we want to finish today because we're really close to being done and I really want to finish the CP. And I think I might have thanked it or I might have said, you know, just give us another few hours and then we'll be leaving tomorrow. and then I walked back and sat down and we did the last take and I think we moved on to the last song after that. Then when Tim and Jordan came back, that was an extra jump scare for me because they actually opened the barn door and brought in pizza or whatever they brought and we ate dinner. I think I told them about it, but both of them are pretty practical and logical people. people. So we didn't dwell on it that much, especially because it was dark and a little foggy,

and we were all going to sleep one more night there before driving back. And that's what we did. It was so surprising. And that's what sets it apart from some of the other energetic experiences that I've gotten to hold or feel in my life already. And it's a lot. And it's a lot of didn't feel evil, it was just other, it was just different. And, yeah, Jess, I think, sent a voice note to her friend the day after we got back explaining what happened. And I think I told my mom, we talked to the studio owner who lives there. And he was like, oh, yeah, we've had some stuff.

But that's like sort of a cut above the rest, you know, people have maybe heard things or, you know, talked about feeling a certain energy or something, but he's like, we haven't gotten a lot of visible appearances. It's a, it just sort of, you just sort of chalk it up to something that you can't explain. And I guess I'm grateful that it wasn't, that it didn't feel scary. And I'm glad that nothing stopped us from being able to keep working on the songs from the next couple of hours after it finished. Beau, this better not be some kind of elaborate viral marketing attempt for the band Crocus right now.

It's really not. And I will tell you, Jack, they're probably going to break up. So please, like, and they're like so indie. And they're like, and you can cut the band out. Like, it's really not, like, it's not that. It was, I think, the combination of this, like, empty old space that just felt spooky and this very beautiful. grief-laden, singular voice just singing something so emotive that just pushed something through, you know? Like I was crying, listening to Jesse Singh, like it was so emotional. I haven't been back. I would be curious to go back. I'm maybe a little nervous.

I feel like I would have to walk around and say hello to everything again in case anything was going to pop up again. All right, thank you to Bo and the band Crocus for sharing that story. We're going to take a quick break, and we'll be right back with the second half of this episode. Okay, the next one you're about to hear was recorded a long, long time ago, long before Otherworld even existed all the way back in 2019. After hearing the story from Bo, I instantly remembered this one. and decided to dig through some old hard drives to find it. As you probably know, my interest in the paranormal is fairly new.

I hosted a comedy show before this and did a bunch of other things. None of them were very spooky. And the first paranormal stories that were told to me and caught my attention were ones that were presented to me in a comedic way, like something funny or bizarre occurred. in addition to the paranormal part, which was kind of secondary. I always found that really eerie because I would be laughing, but in the back of my head, thinking, wait,

it's kind of incredible that this actually happened to them. Are they being serious right now? The combination of the two was very unsettling, and I think that's part of what piqued my interest in this stuff in the first place. This is one of those stories. It was told to me in a very lighthearted way. it's a very strange and funny story, but the situation itself is quite creepy.

Like I said, it was recorded seven years ago, and it comes from two guys named Xavier and Connor, who were living in a noise house in Massachusetts at the time. All right, well, my name is Xavier. This is Connor. And I think this happened, how long ago do you think this was? Like a month ago, maybe? About a month ago, yeah.

Yeah, it was a month ago in Wayman, Massachusetts. We were hanging out at this kid's Robbie's house, who's a drummer for Conner's band. And it's pretty much a punk house at this point, because, like, it's just Robbie and his girlfriend that live there. So it's just the punk band that's there for this whole time. Yeah, and so we were there, we were there to spend the night because a concert was going to happen the night after. And so everyone was practicing in the basement. There were, for reference, there's Colin and Becca. That's one couple.

Then there's Robby and Molly. That's the other. And then it's me, Connor, my Joe, and then our friend Sean. And so before, like, we'd even gotten there for the night, Colin and Becca, like, as soon as we get there, they say they did a ritual. And they made what they called a servitor, which is kind of a ghost. made by a ritual, like you make the ghost yourself. And the whole point of this ghost was to, like, write songs for them. And so in the ritual, they made it so that you charge up the ghost's spiritual energy with this chant.

It goes, uh, Ramonati has a say, Ramona. Wow, you guys remember this. Yeah, it's this is fake stuff. I mean, this freaked us out. I mean, should you be doing this chant on the podcast is my question? I mean, she seems like a nice ghost.

Yeah, she's a nice ghost. Okay. So what were you guys? I'm jumping in here. Actually, I do have some questions. What were you guys thinking at this point when she tells you this? I mean, I thought it was like fun, interesting, kind of goofy stuff. I was like, oh, it's just, it's just like, just random fun.

Like nothing's going to come up. Colin and Becca added again with the chaos magic stuff. Nothing much is going to happen. They do a lot of this kind of stuff. So we were just like, ha ha, funny, interesting stuff, cool. You made a ghost named Ramona, all fun in games. So one way to charge its energy is the chant, and the other is just to play music.

So everyone was doing the chant all day, and it was also band practice. So music was just being played for hours on end. And we're all hanging out. You've been doing this for a while. There's also part of it is there is a symbol that they made that kind of looked like a stick figure doing like the little Egyptian stance with its arms. But it was like made out of triangles essentially. And like that's what you're supposed to worship.

A fucking a sigil. That's what it's called. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's the whole point. And so they made this ghost named Ramona. and it was, yeah, I was supposed to sing songs

so that they could use those songs and write them for their punk band. And so we do the chant a few times. We're hanging out, we're drinking, we're smoking weed in the house, doing whatever. And we just eventually kind of move past it. We're just hanging out and talking about God, know what? So it's like 3 or 4 a.m.

And like Robbie and Molly had gone to sleep in the basement. Colin and Becca go to sleep like upstairs, like on the second floor. And then myself, Xavier, Joe, and Sean, we're about to go to sleep on the first floor. And then right before, like, sleep and keep in mind, like drinking was happening, but, like, we're pretty much sober. Yeah, we weren't, we weren't, like, drunk or anything.

And we're, like, we're, like, setting up to, like, sleep on the floor. Like, we're just putting, like, blankets down and stuff. also the jam rooms in the basement we're not allowed we weren't allowed to play past maybe like midnight because I think Robbie said his neighbor was a cop or something

it's like nine or ten yeah yeah even earlier yeah so music was just not a thing that could have possibly happens like we're not trying to get Robbie's cop neighbor to get pissed at us so we're all finally setting up

and me Connor Joe and Sean all hear someone plug a bass into an amp and start playing like kind of a bluesy baseline and molly plays bass so we were just like oh okay it's just molly playing bass i guess kind of weird it's three in the morning wasn't bad bass playing it was pretty decent bass playing yeah it was pretty good it was pretty good we just thought nothing of it and went to sleep but it was going on for like a while like i think i fell asleep to it yeah it was like at least maybe 15 20 minutes.

Yeah, yeah. And we would pick up the next day. We start making coffee. We literally just didn't. We just didn't even talk about it. And was it Colin and Becker or Molly that came up first? Probably, probably Molly. Probably Molly said it first, yeah.

So Molly comes back up and we were like, hey, I mean, that bass line was pretty good last night. She's just like, I wasn't playing bass. I heard someone playing drums It kind of kept me up I just assumed when you guys were playing drums For some fucking reason And at that point we're like Okay

Something's up Like I know none of us were playing drums Like Sean's a drummer But he was with us the whole time Like passed out immediately That dude's a sound sleeper And then like Maybe 15 or 20 minutes pass

And then Colin and Becca Come downstairs And we asked them like Hey Do you guys hear hear anything last night? And they say, yeah, someone was playing drums. They kept Becca awake. And now we're freaked out because clearly none of us were playing instruments. I mean, like Colin and Becca heard it from two flights up. It had to be loud drumming.

We didn't hear any drumming, though. It was strictly bass. But we definitively all four of us heard someone plug into a bass. And everyone in the house heard something. It was just the people in the basement and on the second floor heard drumming and on the first floor it was just bass And The weird thing is like this This was the first time

But it's not the only time What did your friends who believe in the chaos magic Say about all this? I mean they were just as shocked Yeah because they were confused Because the whole ritual Was for the ghost to be like singing And to be like writing like

songs and poetry that then they could make into like band songs. So they were just confused because it was like instrumental. Yeah, there's there's even a bit of lore with them. They were planning to do something like bigger with the rituals before a sort of event happened. Oh, do tell. Do you want like a long in-depth story? Sure. I mean, we're in it.

Okay, because this is this is fucking crazy. Yeah. So Colin in high school knew this kid, uh, well, we'll call him Jay. And, he was always into like the occult and magic.

And like there would always be these like really cool like acid parties over his house. And, uh, they were planning on doing like a cult thing. But then Jay, he moved at like 17 with like $400 to California. And him and his like then girlfriend just like lived in tents for six months,

just like tripping every day and like just going to raves and shit and like selling acid. And they did like so much crazy shit there. Like the ex-girlfriend is now dating a 40-year-old Hari Krishna meth addict. And then, so they broke up, and Jay thought he needed to find himself. So he, like, walked around in the desert for six weeks with, like, minimal food and water. And then came back. He just walks up the driveway, and he'd walked, like, halfway across Massachusetts. And he was only, like, subsisting off of literally roadkill and beer.

That was his entire diet. It's hard to. Keep going. This is like crazy shit. Like you told me this and I lost it. I'm like waiting for it to become paranormal, but it's already weird enough. But keep going.

Yeah, yeah. Well, he had a whole, like, religious, like, philosophy, sort of where, like, he, like, was God and was, like, doing the death. level's work. So there was a good amount of magic, like, with that. This is actually, this kind of put a damper on the paranormal aspirations because the, like, cult that was going to be formed with him wasn't formed because of this. So, yeah, he comes back and he keeps talking to Alice. He's like, I really want to kill your neighbor's goat. And she's like, no, that's my neighbor's goat. Don't do that.

and he says it constantly for two days and then leaves. Why does he want to kill the goat? So the ultimate goal was so that he could take the blood and put it in a necklace that he'd made so it would bring him closer to Satan. Okay. So he got a ride back to where he was from. And then he was just on the loose for a few.

days, like going into like people's houses. He went into someone from his high school's house and was like, hey, finish carving this pentagram on my shoulder. I couldn't do it deep enough. Oh my God. And then after a couple days, someone's goat goes missing. And it was like, it was a baby goat that these people had like bought for like their little daughter. it was named Marshmallow and he ended up like sneaking in

breaking the fence at night taking the goat cutting its throat and then putting the blood into a water bottle to then put in the necklace to bring him closer to Satan and then

yeah he got arrested I mean as you should so that was the damper on the chaos magic. How did he relate to the chaos magic people? He was friends with all of them and they would do rituals sometimes. So this was like the, the remoter thing coming back was like really the first, like the first time that this had actually worked and the first time they'd actually done it in a while from what Colin was telling me because he was scared to do this after that whole incident. Yeah.

And it worked like almost immediately. Where's the goat guy now? He was, he was in, no, he was just in, not in jail, but in like the mental hospital for over a year. And now he's out and he's actually awaiting trial. Oh, for the goat? Yeah, yeah. I mean, he did kill a goat. Well, this, this took a very, very strange turn from,

an already strange place I've got to say these are definitely some of the weirdest people I've ever met they're very bizarre yeah yeah I can tell at this point we're just like asking for Ramona to come back

like I've just told all my friends to start chanting it and we're just waiting but I think it's a chance just in that one house I think it's just it's stuck in the punk house or something because every time I try to sleep there

it happens you guys got to record her yeah no honestly Honestly. There has to be a nightly chant. Yeah, yeah. We just need to go back there and start doing it. Thank you to Xavier and Connor for sharing this story with me seven years ago.

Wherever these two are, I hope they're doing well. And I guess that goes for Ramona as well. I always thought that story was so weird. Like I said, it was one that I was obviously laughing at at the time. Mostly because it's so strange, but I always just thought that was so unsettling the thought of trying to summon something almost as a joke for fun and then it unexpectedly working in such an eerie way. Also, thank you to Bo and Crocus for sharing their story and thank you for listening. This episode has been called Phantom Channel and you've been listening to Otherworld. Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner.

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