Otherworld - Episode 72: Room 349

Episode Date: March 4, 2024

An ER nurse named Jane goes on a trip to Montana with friends just before the outbreak and Covid 19 lockdown. The front desk mentions that the hotel is haunted, not taking it seriously, she asks to stay in the haunted room thinking it would be a funny way to end their amazing trip. Here is a link to the packet the hotel employee gave Jane. Want more episodes? For bonus episodes and videos, sign up for the Otherworld Patreon Check out our Merch Follow us on: Instagram, TikTok, Twitter If you have experienced something paranormal or unexplained, email us your story at [e-mail] To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host Jack Wagner. Today's episode comes from a woman named Jane. And it takes place when she was on vacation with her husband in Montana. When she first sent this story in, I read it and I thought it was interesting, kind of a classic ghost story. So we set up an interview. But then at the last minute, she backed out. She told me she changed her mind and didn't want to be on the show anymore. I asked her why.

and she told me basically that she was still scared of the whole thing and was hesitant to talk about it again, let alone talk about it in public. That's perfectly understandable, but unfortunately for Jane, that only made me want to hear the story even more. So I decided to email her a couple months later in case she changed her mind,

and I sent her a couple paragraphs trying to talk her into it. And it worked, and she ended up agreeing to do it. do it. Jane's story takes place while she's on vacation, and she ends up staying at a hotel that she learns as haunted. It's really the most classic setup for ghost sighting. But Jane did not take this seriously. In fact, she kind of treated it as a joke. She did not believe in the paranormal, didn't take it seriously, and was in the middle of a really fun vacation. I think she thought this would just be something funny to laugh about.

But she ended up experiencing something that was not so funny to her. In fact, it still scares her to this day. So, let's get this episode started. This is episode 72. The title is Room 349. And you're listening to Otherworld. Is this Bobby? At its core of the science, you can't argue with it.

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I'm in my 40s. I live in Central California, born in San Diego, but mostly raised in Santa Cruz, California. Right out of my 20s, I worked as a paramedic on a 911 ambulance system for like 20 or 10 years. And then the last 10 years, I've worked as an ER nurse, which I currently still work as an ER nurse, as an ER nurse and I work part-time as a forensic nurse for sexual assault victims. So I feel like

I've seen a lot of stuff in my life. I've seen, you know, plane crashes, crazy accidents, suicides, hangings. I'm not easily scared or spooked. I think when you're a paramedic, a lot of people don't realize that you just, you get some information from dispatch and you walk into a house and you're walking into someone's environment, you're walking into their life, their sharing, you know, personal information with you. It's one of those jobs where you just learn to kind of talk to anybody and just kind of go with the situation. And same with ER nursing.

We really like step into someone's life, step into their problems, their energy. It's just one of those things you kind of do. So that's what I do for a living. I feel like I'm pretty logical in my day-to-day thinking. I'm college-educated. You know, ER nurses, we live by evidence-based research. If you tell me this drug is good, I want to hear about this study and I want the random sample of people, and I want, you know, evidence.

Like, that's how we kind of live our lives. I grew up, my mom was raised Catholic, and then I have a grandma on the other side that's kind of like Buddhist. I was, like, baptized in the Catholic Church, but I'm not practicing by any means. I would kind of call myself more spiritual, and one of those people that I don't think I know anything about anything. I think anybody that tells you they know everything about the afterlife

or whatever you want to call it, that which is greater than us. I just, I don't think any of us know for sure. So I've been open to stuff, but I never had had any, like, real experience other than I've had patients tell me about, like, a near-death experience they had, or, you know, seeing a loved one or when their loved one was dying, you know, with, like, a hospice patient, the patient would say that they were, like, talking to someone that had already passed in the room. So I've sort of been open to those kind of experiences and, you know, take it with a grain of assault. because I haven't had one personally myself until this experience.

So we have friends and two friends. I'm not going to name them because I think that, you know, if you've spent any time in like Idaho, Montana, they're very protective of their state and their way of life. A lot of them, my girlfriend grew up there, you know, hunting, fishing, living, you know, in a little cabin with her parents and just living off the land. No running water, no heat other than firewood that they, You know, they just have a very unique way of life.

And so we would go visit them periodically over the last couple years. We would do skiing. We have a lot of family in Idaho. So we spent a lot of time in those areas. Fast forward right before COVID shut down, I think it was like December 2020. We were just sort of hearing about COVID and China. And as ER nurses, like there was like a lot of high anxiety. We all kind of were thinking this is coming, right?

Like we're going to have to deal with this. There was a mask and like supply short. and just high, high anxiety. And we knew that there probably would be a shutdown coming. And obviously, as an ER nurse, I knew that would really apply to me, you know, because they need staff. We need to be able to take care of our patients. And I kind of was like, oh, God, it's coming.

We were a little nervous. And they said, well, why don't you come out to Montana, like, over the new year, and we'll do some skiing and, you know, maybe, like, cruise through Yellowstone, which is beautiful in the winter. All the bison are out. And it'd just be a great little trip. So we decided to go see them and we had a great trip. We went skiing every day.

We went out to restaurants. We just had a great, great time. Towards our last, towards the end of the trip, my friend, she had brought up the idea of like, oh, let's go to this little hotel. It's in the middle of nowhere. It's small. There's like hot springs. Like if you drive through Idaho and Montana in the winter, you'll just see steam on the side of the road. There's like hot springs everywhere.

It's super cool. You can just like pull over on the side of the road and jump in. And she said there's a hotel. They have like a great restaurant. It's like turn of the century, 1900. And she warned me it was really rustic. She's like, they're like one room. There's no bathrooms in the room.

It's like 80 bucks to stay the night. But we'll have dinner. It's just one night. Like you'll have to walk down the hall like to go to the bathroom. And we're like, sure, for one night, we're on our way to the airport anyways. It's kind of like the in-between point. We stopped there. I think like afternoon time. We couldn't check in yet. There's like a saloon that's straight out of like

1900, all the architecture. Everything looks old, old wallpaper. And so we stopped in. We had like one drink. And then I think we went to check in. And I was a little tipsy. We were having a great time. Last day of vacation. I know I'm going home to COVID and working and no trips. And we're just having a good time. Had a drink or two. So we went to check in. And as we're checking in, and as we're checking in, in, you know, my girlfriend, she goes, oh, like some people say this hotel is haunted. And I'm like, so I asked the guy checking in and I say, we're checking in. He's like, there's young kids that work there. They're all in their 20s. And I asked the check in clerk, I was asking him, you know, hey, is it haunted? I heard this place is haunted. And you could tell he was like, oh, God. He's like,

actually, you can stay in the haunted room if you want to. It's open tonight. And I was like, sure, let's do it. I don't believe in that shit. Let's do it. My husband's like, sure, let's do it. It's just one night. Let's do it. So he laughs. He hands us over the key. And I've never seen anything personally. I didn't think that I would see anything. I just, and it was like, it was a weekday. So like there wasn't a ton of people at the hotel. I remember it was like a Tuesday or something. It wasn't a weekend where there's people everywhere. So I'm guessing that's probably why it was open. I mean, I'm sure there's people that go there that just want to stay in the room and probably see nothing. I don't know. We walk up the stairs.

And there's no elevators. It's old stairs. I think we walked up like two or three flights of stairs with dragging our suitcase. And we go down this long hallway, super old looking and like a super old key, like just to open the, just a doorknob lock. That's it. Flimsy door. We open it. And I was literally like, oh, my God, I'm so glad we're just staying one night here.

It's small. There's no room for your suitcase. I mean, you have to step over your suitcase. Like just there's maybe like a foot around the best. There's like no room. And we were kind of laughing. Like, this is the smallest room we've ever stayed in. Like, I'm glad it's for just one night.

And we're barely going to be in the room because we're going to go, you know, to the hot springs, go hike around, go to dinner. Like, and I kind of said to my husband, I'm like, oh, my God, this place is like really small. And he was like, it's just, it's just a few hours. Like, don't worry about it. I didn't feel anything weird initially. Nothing. Be like basically changed through our stuff down and we're gone for most of the rest of the night.

So we walked around in the evening. evening, like kind of hung out, and then I think around like 10 or 11, we went to bed. And we basically got in bed. My husband was laying to the right of me over by the door. I was laying here. Good night. Love you. Like, kind of packed up our stuff because we knew we were going to like wake up early, have to get in the car and drive to the airport. And, you know, walked down the hall, used the restroom since there wasn't one in the bathroom and came back and went to bed. fell asleep super quick, didn't hear anything, nothing weird. I'm not even thinking about the place being haunted.

We're just going to bed. We got to be up in a few hours. I had the greatest trip ever. We love Montana. We're looking at, you know, laying in bed before we go to sleep, looking at real estate. Like, maybe we should buy, like, a vacation house here or, you know, come here more. Like, it's the skiing and all, you know, that's kind of what's going through ahead. Completely not thinking about anything to do with the hotel.

And then we go to sleep. I remember kind of like dreaming. And this is where I start to like have a hard time because I feel like people are going to think I'm crazy. I was like dreaming, but I wasn't. It was almost like I was in the room and I was like thinking of myself like, oh, I'm dreaming. And I had this moment where I was kind of like out of my body.

I was dreaming but I was awake. kind of, and I realized I was awake. I'm like, oh, I'm dreaming. And I was thinking, is this lucid dreaming? Like, I know I'm dreaming. And I'm like in the, I'm like looking down and I can see my body, like laying in the bed with my husband. And I'm like, this is weird. I can like, I'm awake, but I'm like, this is so weird. And I'm going to, I'm going to walk around. And the next thing I knew I was kind of out in the courtyard. The guy, this sounds so fucking crazy. I'm out in the courtyard and I'm walking around and I can only describe it as like twilight right before the sun comes up. I know a lot of people aren't up super early but like when you're a paramedic driving around

the middle of the night like that twilight hour right before the sun comes out and it's like the quietest time. That's what it felt like to me. And there's like, it's like snow film like kind of staticy looking around. It looked like everything had like kind of sort of. So, it looked like, everything had like kind of slightly blurry edges. Like if you're looking through a screen, you know, or you're looking through. And snow is not the right word because it wasn't like I could see chunks of snow. It was just like hazy, like lightly hazy and like all the edges were kind of blurred. And I felt like more awake than I ever have.

I don't know. I'm like, I know I'm dreaming. I'm like walking around in this courtyard. And if you go look at pictures of this place, that is what I was walking around in. And I felt like I was noticing things I didn't notice the day before. Like I'm like, oh, wow, like the pillars and the grass. Like, I was just looking around. And I was thinking like, wow, there's nobody around.

And I had this feeling of like, this is really weird. Like I'm dreaming, but I know I'm dreaming. And I'm walking around. I can choose where I want to go. It was bizarre. And then I started to get scared all of a sudden. And I remember feeling like, this is weird. I want to like be back in my body.

This is weird. I don't like this. And the next thing I knew I was back in my hotel room and I could see my body. And I was like, I remember all of a sudden feeling really scared. And I had this moment where I literally, like, if I, like, I remember thinking, like, I'm in between worlds right now. Like, I'm like, I'm in a different dimension or something. Everything is like snowy. And like I, my eyes were open, but I felt like I was seeing clearer than just through my eyes.

If that, no, it doesn't make sense. I start to freak out and I'm like, I want back in my body. I want to wake up. Like, this is weird. And I remember physically getting in the bed and like looking at myself and being like, I'm going to lay back in my body. Like, I'm going to lay back down on my body. I don't like this.

And I remember like laying down, laying right on my body. For some reason, I just knew, like, I can lay back down on my body. Like, I want to wake up. I don't, whatever this is, I don't like this. And I remember laying back down on my body and having like a moment. where I was like trying to wake myself up and I couldn't move and that freaked me out even more that I was like wait I'm back in my body but I'm not back in my body and I remember this like freak out moment and this is where I think sometimes when I tell this story my husband's kind of like you're just dreaming you're dreaming and I'm like well I've had millions of dreams in my life nothing like this this was completely different I remember being in my body and I remember like all of the and I could see my husband here and I'm like And he was very there but filmy, like kind of like, like, it's like snow. It just was like really like light snow and twilighty still.

And it shouldn't have been because it was pitch black in the middle of the night in Montana. Like they don't even have street lights there. We're in the middle of like a valley. Super dark. But I can see. And I sense, I still don't know if I like heard something, felt something. I sensed something over to my right. And I remember looking over.

looking over and there was a lady there. If I could draw, if I was an artist, I could draw her. She was, she had no legs. It was like torso and up. She had her hands crossed like this. She had like, you know, ruffles around the wrist, super long, almost like a flower print, like a very small print dress, like buttons all the way down.

She had this high neckline. She had like this gold brooch right here. She was just kind of like a middle-aged woman. I would describe her as like 45, 50 maybe, a lot of gray hair, and it was kind of all loosely piled on top of her head, almost like a beehive, but like not as high. It was just like this old-fashioned style of hair up.

And I looked at her and she looked at me. And I literally had this moment of like, is this fucking happening? Like I see my husband. I see her. She's like probably a foot above him kind of floating. there and she has no legs. And once I look at her, she puts her head down like this and closes her eyes. And in that moment, she, like, showed me, like, how sad she was. That's all I can explain it.

It was, like, almost telepathic. Like, I felt like she, I just felt like her feeling of, like, despair and depression. And I just, I remember thinking, like, oh, my God, I've never, felt or seen this kind of sadness before. I mean, I've had sad times in my life. I have had, you know, if I think of me at like my most depressed, like after my friend committed suicide and I had like a really hard time, this was like a thousand times worse. I can only think of it. This is like clinical depression. This is like, this is like somebody that is just sees nothing but despair. And at that point, I'm, I realize, I'm thinking to myself, like, I think I'm seeing a spirit. Like, this is a spirit.

This is a ghost. Like, I felt her sadness. It felt like I kind of, like, stepped into her energy for a minute. And then I freaked out. And the next thing I know, I was sitting bolt up and right, upright in bed, screaming, like, screaming. And the room was pitch black. There was no weird film. I was yelling.

My husband woke up. He, like, turned the light on. He thought we were getting, like, you know, robbed or killed. He's like, what? What's going on? Like, calm down. what's wrong? And I said there was a lady. I saw this lady. He of course, like, was like, babe, it's okay. Like, chalked it up to a dream. It's just a dream. It's a dream. It's just a dream.

It's just a dream. Like, we're fine. He told me it's like three in the morning. You got to go back to bed. Like, we got to be up in a few hours. You're fine. And he like, kind of turns over and puts his arm around me. And I'm laying there. And he's like, has his arm around me. And he's like, you know, you're fine. You're safe. He immediately goes back to sleep. I did not sleep the rest of the night. I was wide awake, staring out the window, just laying there. I was shaking. My anxiety was off the charts. I was like, I knew it wasn't a dream what just happened.

I was like just, I just kept thinking, like, I think I saw a ghost. Like, I think I saw this lady. Like, that wasn't a dream. I just was, I was spiraling in my mind. I had to, like, calm myself down. Like, how I talk to patients, you're okay. You're safe. Take a deep breath.

Slow your breathing down. You're fine. Like, literally like, I'm fine. I'm okay. The next morning, my husband goes off down the hall to shower. I'm like a little bit annoyed that he left me. He thinks I just had a bad dream. I haven't like told him the whole kind of thing yet.

It's like a travel day and my husband's very like, travel, shower, we got to get going. Like it's a travel day. And so he goes off to shower. I get dressed and go down the staircase and I'm like, I need like some freaking coffee immediately. I'm like weirded out. I'm still like a little shaky and I just have like this. I don't have anxiety, but like I felt. really anxious. And I was trying to make sense of it. And I was, I was literally thinking, I got to call my

mom. She's the only person that I would tell this story that wouldn't think I'm nuts because she's, she kind of bleeds in that stuff. And I'm like, oh, I can't call her at six o'clock. So I walk down to the lobby. And they do. They have, like, free coffee and creamer. And I'm, like, trying to pour my coffee in and, like, spilling it. I'm, like, kind of shaky. And there's, like, a young kid at the check-in, and he's kind of like watching me spill all over, and I'm like taking these little napkins and cleaning up the coffee. And I know my husband's still showering, and I just don't want to go up to the room by myself.

So I just sat down on the lobby in one of the couches, and I was drinking my coffee. He said something to me, like, are you okay? And I didn't elaborate. And he said, oh, did you see her? Because lots of people have seen her. And he said something like gray beehive or gray bun, and I was like,

like instantly I was like seriously and he's like oh yeah we've seen her playing the piano like here here let me give you this packet and he hands me this white packet and it has all he's like oh these are all the accounts of people that have stayed here like um you know you can email them in if you've seen something like like they are you know the the owners or whatever they're curious they like to hear the stories and a lot of people a lot of the cooks have seen her in the kitchen and people multiple people altogether have seen her playing at the piano and um Then I really got freaked out at this point because I'm like, it's like, you know, when you wake up in the morning, you're sober, you're drinking coffee and you're like logically

thinking about it. And I took the packet from him and I was like, I can't read this right now. Like I was super, I can only describe as like kind of shell shocked, especially that he also said gray-haired lady. Like, that was what I saw. And so I, you know, like, folded it up and we go to the airport and, you know, we get in the car and so it's our four friends. We haven't seen them because we stayed in separate rooms and they were kind of joking.

Like, did you see anything in the haunted room? Ha ha, ha, ha. Like, how was your night? Did you sleep good? And I was just kind of silent and I could have like punched my husband. He said something like, well, I slept fine because it was a normal room for me. But she woke up screaming in the middle of the night, woke everybody up, probably on the whole floor and um and i i think i kind of chalked it up to them like oh yeah i had just a bad dream a bad

dream like i mean i remember looking at my husband being like you fucker like like you know i just didn't want to like talk about it and so we get to the airport and i mean it's like nine or ten o'clock and i'm not a day drinker but i i was like we get on the airplane and i was like i want a bloody mary like give me a bloody mary i just felt like i needed to do you know i need to a drink. I was like, I needed to like calm down. I was not feeling normal at all. I was super still anxious. And so I sat down and I had my drink and I, my husband, you know, probably puts his ear pods in, watches the movie. And I started reading all of a bunch, all the stories in the packet. And they, they kind of tell this story about a lady who, um,

had a family and they believed that the hot springs had, you know, medicinal, medicinal, like, properties. And so they opened up a little hotel and people would come there for, like, their issues in the turn of the century, like mental illness or whatever issues. They thought you could, like, bathe in there and heal yourself. And there, there is a little bit of history on her. If you look up this lady by name and they talk about her having severe depression at the end of her life. and they talk about her driving, kind of going insane in this room. And the room where they still see her, they talk about having to remove a rocking chair that she sat in that would still rock.

And some people have like, workers have run out of the room screaming because they see her in this rocking chair still in that room. So I kind of read it all. And, you know, we came home and I wasn't even normal for like a week. I felt like I was really worried she was like going to follow me home. I was like I got super paranoid in the house. I start like for the first week I was just really like I think the sequence of events of like seeing her and then like having the little guy that worked at the front say, oh, the gray haired lady,

which like validated to me that what I saw maybe wasn't a dream and then giving me all the papers where people talk about her like mental illness and her depression and trying to cure her herself with the hot springs and all this stuff, like, validated that maybe I did see something, like truly see something. And it wasn't just a dream. And so I came home and I called my mom. I told her the whole story. And I told her, I was like, I feel like she's, she's like on me or something. Like, I don't feel normal at home. I'm super anxious. I'm worried she's like following me home. And my mom was like, you know, I'm going to bring you some sage. You're going to burn sage all the house, whether you believe in it or not, you're just going to do it. And she's like,

you need to, like, get rid of everything that, like, get rid of those papers, get rid of her story. Like, you literally need to tell her, like, I know maybe you're earthbound. But, like, I'm not your girl. Like, you need to, you need to move on, whatever that looks like for your spirit. And so I did, I was so scared. I did what my mom said. I burned sage and I, we have a wood-burning fireplace that we heat all winter long, and I threw the whole stack of papers in there. and after about a week I started feeling normal and I kind of told my husband like the short version like this version I'm telling you I don't he's heard like a shorter version and I don't even think like he'll want to listen to this but I think he'll also has not heard he's not heard the full full story

Jane I think I need to call this hotel I'm very curious to hear what they have to say do you think they would talk to me you totally should and you should ask him for the packet I'm sure they'd give it to you. I wish I would have kept it. I was just so freaked out. All right, we have to take a quick break, but we'll be right back. When I heard this story, I thought it was so interesting. I mean, I've heard a million stories of people seeing old West ghosts and hotels, but this one was kind of unique. Jane describes experiencing what sounds like astral projection based on the description she gave, where she's walking around the hotel. It's a different season. The weather's different. then after that ends, she's in her room and she sees this woman who turns out to be the owner

of the hotel, something she did not know, nor had she ever seen this person before. And she also describes feeling extreme sadness and despair radiating from this person. I had so many questions, and I also wanted to find this packet that Jane threw out. And she told me she wanted to see it too. So I tried calling the place. I thought it would be simple, but they didn't answer the phone. I called the next day. They didn't answer again. I called again. No answer. I was calling a lot. Like, way too much. Nobody was answering the phone. I honestly started to think that maybe this hotel closed for some reason, but I did not give up. If I've learned one thing while making this show, is that the most important part of investigating is being very persistent.

In fact, maybe even borderline annoying, like slightly more annoying than your normally comfortable being. So I started calling every single day for two weeks until finally somebody picked up the phone. After that, it was easy. They knew exactly what I was talking about with the packet. They emailed it to me. It was really interesting to get. I'll put a link to it in the description if you want to check it out. And it turns out that this packet is a photocopied section of a book called Big Sky Ghosts, Volume 2 by Deborah Munn.

It talks a lot about the history of the hotel, the owner, Percy Knowles, and sightings that people have had in the hotel. Sightings of Percy. There's been a lot of them, and they have a lot of common themes. I was also able to talk to an employee of the hotel for a little bit. She told me about the hotel's history and her experience is working there. The hotel, by the way, is called Chico Hot Springs, and it's located in a town called Prey, Montana, near Yellowstone. So I was very excited to get the packet.

It was really interesting learning all of this and hearing other people's accounts of seeing the same woman. And, of course, it was interesting to speak to somebody that worked at this hotel. So here's a bit of my conversation on the phone with that employee. Her name is Adrian. My name is Adrian Hinton. I've worked at Chico Hot Springs for 18 years, almost. It'll be 19 in June. The story of Percy Knowles is she and her husband had like a boarding house here at Chico Hot Springs many years ago. She didn't believe in alcohol or drinking or anything, and her husband was kind of the opposite.

He was kind of a drinker and a partier and that kind of thing. But she was into health and fitness and the healing waters of the spring. So they ended up building a hospital here. Surgeries, all kinds of different things were done here way back when out in the middle of the country. Like the first, I think one of the first lobotomies in Montana was done here at Chico Hot Springs many years ago. Percy and her husband and their son all lived here. It's a pretty cool story. They had gardens and just everything was focused around the warm waters of Chico Hot Springs.

It was actually found before they had it, a miner named Chico actually found the original hot springs, and the miners and stuff would do their laundry here and that kind of thing before it was even a building. Percy lived here for quite a while, and then I don't remember the whole story, but she ended up going to the state mental hospital and passing away there. Ever since then,

she's said to have haunted Chico Hot Springs. I've basically just had interactions with who I think is probably Percy. One time, I had a new car that kind of looked like an old style model but it wasn't. It was just a PT cruiser. And I've worked at the front desk, the guest services area, most of the time that I've worked here.

And I'm pretty sure I just, as I got into my car, when I felt a presence all the way home, I got into my house, started working in my kitchen. I heard her rattling in the cupboard that would not normally be there. And then all of a sudden she was gone, or it was. was gone. There's another story where people smell roses or lavender or something in the hallway. And during the COVID time, I was one of the few employees that worked here. We just kind of ran a skeleton shift. And I was going down the hallway, and I was looking for one of my coworkers, and I actually did smell the smell of rose perfume or something,

and there shouldn't have been that smell. So those are kind of my experiences that I've had. Yeah, people have had experiences up. It's room 346 up on the third floor. It's kind of, it's different in the fact that it's two separate rooms, kind of set up as a, what, an apartment back in the 1890s or so, and that was Percy's room. And it was kind of creepy for a while because it actually had the antique wallpaper, and it was kind of peeling off the wall, so it made it look really creepy.

I think they've fixed that since. But people have felt her sit on the bed. They've had doors open that were locked. And I think they had a rocking chair up there, and it would rock back and forth. And there was a Bible that pages would turn right by the chair. and things like that. People have seen her, like a woman in a black dress or a woman in a white dress, up on the third floor, or, you know, I'm not the only person that's seen her outside the windows of the grill.

People have heard creaking noises, have seen things move without anybody touching them in the saloon, things like that. Her hair's pulled up in a bun. She has a long, you know, 1890s. style dress, not any specific look to her other than what a woman would have been wearing in that time period. One of the weirdest things I heard was that one person said that they saw ghosts of cats in what is now the dining room, so they haven't just seen human forms. They've seen animal forms, and I thought that was kind of weird. people have seen women or children in the hallways, just apparitions of kids in the hall or women in the hallway, and they'll come and say, is there, are there ghosts here?

Because we just saw something. I'm like, yep, there are. Or they've been touched, somebody's touched their cheek or they wake up with somebody standing over their bed and then they, wake, you know, then they look again and they're gone, things like that. The woman I talked to had a pretty intense experience, and she said that when she saw this woman, she felt an incredible amount of sadness and despair. You know, I think Percy probably, if it was Percy, probably would have been sad because her husband's not who she would, you know, he's a drunkard, he's a little more wild, not really believing in the stuff that she believes in. So she probably was lonely or in despair.

For me, she was just really quiet and passive and kind of like looking at me, wondering about me, kind of wanted to be there around me, maybe for me, you know, because I was just working all by myself. And then, you know, she was always like, I felt like she was checking up on me, making sure I was okay. It feels pretty unique in the fact that you hear about other places and their ghosts and they're angry or they're mad or upset. But here, they're just quiet and, like I said, passive and not really aggressive or anything. They just want you to know they're here and watching you.

So, Jane, how are you feeling after all of this? Are you still up for doing the episode? I know you're, you know. Yeah, yeah, let's do it. Okay, okay, good, good, good. I was hesitant to talk about it. Like, initially when I submitted my story, it was almost like therapeutic to tell it.

And I was almost, like, as I was typing it out, I remember being like, oh, my God, I don't know if I've ever, like, really told, like, in detail my experience. And because a little of it is hazy, it kind of helped me to, like, type it out and, like, think about it. And I honestly, I haven't thought about it a whole lot in the last couple years. It was like, you know, because you just move on and life goes on. So I was hesitant, A, to like bring it all up and like really talk about it. And there was

also an element of being nervous about like putting it out there. Like my experience, I think once you put something out there, it's open for other people's judgments and they make assumptions about you and, you know, I'm serious in my career, you know, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I just, my, my credibility is important in my career. And I think, you know, I deal with a lot of, like, very medical people and, you know, very sciencey and that's it. And if you can't prove it, it doesn't exist. And I kind of was that way for a long time, you know, they, that's, you know, Bachelor's, you know, Bachelor's, science and nursing. You're learning. Literally, you know, it's all about science and what you can prove and what you can quantify and evidence-based studies. And that's how you're learned to

train, you're trained to think. And this experience was something I couldn't like put in that box. And I think that's okay. I think it's okay to say like your truth. I think it's okay to speak your truth, even if some people don't agree with you or get it. It's not my business, what people think of me, but this is an experience I had, and I think it's okay to share it, and not expect other people to agree or accept it. Like, they don't have to. It's something that is, like, so ingrained in my memory and will be forever in the way that I know it wasn't just a dream. All right. Thank you to Jane and also Adrian from Chica Hot Springs for speaking to me. If you want to read some of the stories from guests and employees of this hotel. I'm linking a copy of the PDF in the description of this episode.

It's pretty wild to hear how many people have seen Percy. And it's also pretty wild how casual the employees are when they talk about seeing her. Believe it or not, I actually have zero interest in ghost hunting. In fact, I'd prefer to live a completely ghost-free life, if possible. But when Jane was describing this hotel, and the hot springs, I did kind of want to go. I could be willing to put aside the haunted aspect if it means a reasonably priced hotel and hot spring situation. Summer is coming up, so who knows?

Maybe I'll be calling the hotel again in the near future. And with that, we've reached the end of this episode. This has been episode 72. The title is Room 349, and you've been listening to Otherworld. Otherworld is executive produced and hosted by myself, Jack Wagner. Our theme song is by Cobra Man. The soundtrack of this episode is by Juice Jackal and North Americans. This episode was edited and engineered by Theo Schaefer.

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