Otherworld - Episode 87: Them: Part Six "Sara"

Episode Date: July 8, 2024

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Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. This is Them, Part 6. If you haven't heard the other episodes, you should go back and start from the beginning. Part of the reason it took me a year and a half to make this series is because there was one person I could not speak to. And the fact that I couldn't speak to them made room for some very big questions. That person, of course, is Sarah. The mysterious girl from the gym, the one everything in the story is connected to. So much centered around her. Her phone was involved in most of the texting and calling.

The more intense paranormal stuff happened when she was around. And it also seemed to slow down when she finally left. When I initially spoke to Solvi, one of my first questions was, where is Sarah and can I speak to her? The answer was always no. Unfortunately, I couldn't talk to her. In fact, Sarah doesn't even talk. to them. Sarah had cut them off abruptly and gone on her own way. This was by far the most

difficult part of the story for me, hearing all of this without being able to talk to her and know her side. Many different people listen to this show. Some are unwavering skeptics, others are committed believers, and many fall somewhere in between. My job is to be both of those at the same time, which can be very hard for me sometimes, especially with a story like this. There were moments when this story started to cross into my own life a bit, and that really freaked me out. But because of that, it's important that I do my due diligence, investigate, and ask difficult questions. At a certain point, I accepted that there are some questions I may never fully know the answer to, and I think that's just the nature of this stuff. but I still needed to speak to Sarah.

And eventually, after a year, I was finally able to. This is the final episode of the series. This is Them, Part 6, Sarah, and you're listening to Otherworld. This is Bobby? At its core, the science, you can't argue. I'm not worried about all the science. It's almost frustrating that it's happening. I'm going to die.

I'm like, it's a bit of it. Limbs. We're just like wrong. Everybody moves back into the light, even if it takes them a minute. Hello. Hello, finally. I'm sorry. No worries.

How are you? I'm fine, thank you. How are you? Good. I can't believe I'm meeting you, honestly. Okay. I've heard so much. I can imagine.

Solve told me you have been talking a lot. Yeah. Well, on a lot. for almost a year. Oh, I see. So yeah, okay. For so long, yeah. It's a complicated story. Yeah, definitely. Do you have any questions before I start asking you a million questions? No, I don't think so. I'm not the best in English, but I'm trying my best. So I'm sorry. No, it's totally okay. It's totally okay. What was your childhood like growing up like before all of this started?

I was a happy kid home with friends and family. Just, yeah, nothing special. Just a happy life, a happy childhood. Very blessed in that way. Out biking, running, playing soccer. Yeah, outside of the nature. You were adopted, right? Right? I heard you were adopted.

Yeah. I came to Norway when I was four months, so I was little. Yeah. Were you raised with any spiritual beliefs or paranormal beliefs or anything like that? Nothing particular, no. I was, for me, it was, yeah, no, no, nothing special. No. So when did all this start for you? When did?

It's been so long since I've been. been talking about this. But I guess it started, yeah, around 2013, yeah. Was that? And it was great. Was that when you met? Ranil, yeah. She was my boss.

She was my boss at the time. So we, I just had this professional relationship with her. And because I started to ask her if she could help me out without breathing and everything. I was in school and I was stressed, you know, and I thought maybe she could help me with something. Yeah, I don't know. I started seeing things and experience things myself, but didn't, yeah, it was strange for me, so I didn't talk about it and just lived it there. But then things started to happen in my apartment at home, and I didn't understand what or why.

Yeah, so it was, it started like that, I think. It's been a long time, yeah. I was so, I was kind of worried if I had to lose my mind or something in a period. It started with the ringing, just, I was just, I was with my friends. All of a sudden, Ranil text me and she was like, have you been calling me? And I'm, no. Because I have seven missed calls from you and I haven't been calling you at all. And this was happening a lot over time.

She had always five or seven missed calls for me. I had not called her. So it was so strange. And it was at strange times in the middle of the night. Sometimes when I was, because I'm an instructor in the gyms, sometimes when I had classes the phone was calling her and that is not supposed to work

because I was using my phone in the classes with flight mode on and at the same time the phone was calling her and yeah were you getting calls from her? In the start I got calls from her too Yeah, but that was just in the start. Everything was happening for me, though, either the Mac, the phone, always around me.

And that happened a lot, really a lot. It was like a guiding thing. It was some, we didn't understand that in the start, but when the phone was calling, it was like they felt like the energies or this, whatever we call them, was like they wanted us to be together. It felt like that. And when we worked together, it was silent for a while. And they started with empty texts, short ones and long ones.

And in the start, it was like, hey, and goodbye and hey, it was very simple words. And then they started answering some words and some kind of no words. And then complete messages. And we were seeing they were typing on the phone and so it was sent to Rang Nis phone without doing anything. What did you think it was? Were you suspicious at all? In the start, we were watching each other with one extra eye.

We talked about that later at the start. I was so convinced that she was kidding with me or just fooling me around. And she was thinking the same thing about me. So we were so on watch when everything was happening. And I was always watching her doing things and always conscious in every situation. But I had no chance to see that she was fooling me or something. So I just had to trust, okay, it's not her.

I just have to relax and see what it's happening. All right. I know that there's a lot of things that happened, very strange things that you saw and experienced early on, but can you just run me through those quickly? Like, what are these, what are the strange paranormal things that you guys were experiencing in the beginning of this?

Yeah, it was a lot of thing moving. That was furniture, chairs, chairs, chairs, table, lamps that was swinging, doors that was opening, kitchen doors and everything that was just opened. That happened a lot. Everything that opens was open. Car key that was transported from Ragnil's house to my house when we wasn't together. Back and forth. All the stuff that was happening when Solvay and Kara was in world the first time. The letters on the windows and the stars.

The heaven was crazy. The pushing and everything, all those nights with Kara and Solvay. All these things happening to me. Water, stones, flying around. The feeling that someone is touching. you, punching you, seeing shadows, seeing shadows with colors, all the text messages, calls, face times, all the sounds, yeah, all the visions, yeah. When did you, when did Solvi come into this? And can you tell me about that night?

Oh, good, that was crazy. I was so worried when Rangler was telling both Kara and Solvai this. I was so worried they would hate me or I have occupied their mom or because I felt I was with Rangir so much that she didn't even want, yeah, she didn't spend time with her daughters. I felt like I have occupied her, if you know, I mean. And I didn't want to be that person. I didn't know them at all.

So it was, that was so scary for me when she was introducing me to Solvay. I was so scared if she would think I was crazy. It was a strange night. It was very nice, of course. I was relieved and we had a lot of fun. But then something in both of us were just clicking. We were doing everything in the same time, laughing at the same time, talking at the same time, talking the same sentences and words. And we were, we didn't understand what was happening.

It was so strange. It was like we were becoming one or something. They have told us that Ayan Suuai was twin flames. it was like I was her laughter and my lotter was her and it was strange it was crazy in this photo I don't know what time it's from

but there's a picture where you guys both have the same marks on your cheek those are her birth marks oh my god yeah I know she has a birth mark I don't have them anymore but yeah what were they

I don't know when that started That was a little bit out in the 2014-15. I don't remember. But suddenly I had small, yeah, the same marks at my skin. And it was bloody. It was like I got pinched. But I didn't feel it. Suddenly I just had small bloody marks on my face and was like, oh my God, that's the same.

as Solvice. They, yeah, I had something with my hand and but then I was like, this isn't great. You can't do physical things with me. That's not cool. And after that, they didn't do it anymore. But I got these same marks, yeah.

And you didn't do it to yourself. No. It was, I was sitting in the same room with Dragnil And suddenly she was, you're bleeding on your cheek. I don't know. I was. And then we was just wiping off that. It was little blood.

It was not very crazy. But then we had the same mark, suddenly. You were just sitting there and this happened? Yeah. It was just happening. I have to. I don't know. It's crazy.

It's crazy. You can. Yeah. It feels crazy. to say to because everything that happened feels like another lifetime. It's crazy. It's crazy. I know.

I have to pinch my arm still. My arm because it is crazy. It's beyond what our mind can imagine. You need to experience it to kind of feel and believe it in one way. But it's crazy to hear other talk about it. I mean, it's crazy. The marks happened while you were sitting awake in the same room with her. Yeah.

And there's no way she could have done it. No way she could have done it. I mean, they were so precise. It was identical with Sulay's smaller, but identical. If I should have, if I had done it myself, I had to, I don't know, were standing, yeah, so close a mirror trying to pinch myself with something or, yeah. No, it's happened in the same room, yeah. And sometimes they were all gone and suddenly they were popping earlier.

Yeah. coming more to life. It was like they were, yeah, a scar was opening again. So then the small blood drops were where we could see them and then suddenly they were in my face again. Rogneal definitely became like a mother to you in some ways. And I think...

A mother figure more. A mother figure. Yeah. Yeah. But it was intense. It was close, yeah. But she was never a replacement for my other mom. Never.

Obviously, we got very close. She was like my mother and she saw me like her daughter. And in the end, it was so much. I was in my early 20s. You're not supposed to be with a lady in the 50s talking to space every day and not having a life. It was just so crazy for me. What can you tell me about water manifesting?

Yeah. What do you remember about the water? I remember about, I remember water was everywhere. suddenly it was on the floor, suddenly the water in the spring or the shower were just turned on. Sometimes it was wet on the sofa. I could just walk through a house and where every sink and everything, I was just walking through the kitchen. and the spring was just pooh

everywhere it was water it was turned on or turned off and very powerful it was not a silly water drizzling out of the spring

it was powerful it was crazy do you remember did water ever like land on you or like appear out of nowhere I heard yeah we were

We was at the hotel nearby, and I was walking into the bathroom. Out of the blue, it felt like I had a cloud with water over me. Down. Like, you know, he had a bottle of water and was just doing that. It was that feeling. Like somebody dumped a bucket of water on you? Yeah, that was the feeling. That happened one time in that hotel room.

And it came from nowhere? Came from nowhere. Did that ever happen again? No, I don't think so. I think it was just that one time. I remember that I'm... Because I got so insanely scared. Was there other stuff happening with the water, though?

I have. Only it was water on my... Yeah, in the living room at the floor. It was just, I could be at work and then come home and it was water. Not so much, but like, boom, it was coming out of nowhere. There's so much of this, it's hard to comprehend. Yeah, I know. And you're so casual about it.

Yeah. That must seem so strange for you. Because for me, it was, of course, in the start, I was like, what is happening? It's like, I'm at this country. it through. But when it's happening so much or so, um, for a so long time, yeah, you get, you get used to it. You're so casual about it. So that's not normal. Rangniel is more intense, you know, when she describes things. Oh yeah. Yeah, of course, but in the start, it was dramatic. I was scared and I didn't understand a thing and I put all my

trust in her because she was the one that had experience in life. Yeah. So for me, it was like, I trust you. You know the best. I'm just here. Mind blow of everything. I don't know what to say. I just have to say, okay, I see it's happening.

But yeah. So of course, in the start, I was in one way terrified and excited at the same time. so it was dramatic but yeah now it's when I look back of course it was dramatic but in one way it got normal were you ever suspicious did you ever have theories of like people I was so suspicious about Dragnel for so long um but it was it was so crazy because the messages were coming from me and I was trying to figure out how she could do that. Was she stealing my phone or was she, I was so suspicious of her. But I understood it wasn't her. And then I really need to be sure I wasn't hacked or something,

but I, yeah, I was suspicious for a while. Because sometimes I hear this and I'm like, this sounds like some kind of cult that I don't understand. Yeah, I know. It's crazy. But in the feeling I had around that, yeah, it was weird, but it was at the same time, it felt pure. Like, I had, yeah, it was.

okay kind of like it felt okay it was yeah it was pure but my mind was of course going wild sometimes but I was never suspicious of

that she had people helping her or something I imagine that a lot of people when they listen to this are going to be suspicious of you that you what do you think? I'm sure I'm going to going to get all that they are blaming me.

Yeah. And I understand that because it's crazy. Because everything is happening from my space, my phone, my Mac, my, everything. So, yeah, that I can understand. But, yeah. I've had my suspicions about you early on and through this. And I still am suspicious. I'm still suspicious sometimes. I'm still suspicious. And that's fine. I would, I would think it was

weird if you wasn't. What were the photos, the things showing up on the photos? What was that? Yeah, that too. Oh. Yeah, what was that? They were telling us that that's the energy around us. They were trying to paint a picture where how the energy was around us at that time. And they just was just visible in the phone suddenly.

And it would happen in your phone or hers? Yeah, both. But mostly my phone. The original picture and then a copy of it? Or? It was sometimes both. Sometimes the original photo photo was with the light and sometimes it was a copy with the light up. It looks like somebody used some kind of iPhone app to, you know, like. I know.

And I have tried to, Lisa, I've tried to, what is this? Is they actually using an iPhone app to kind of paint this picture or? Yeah. I have asked myself the same question because I have some of the photo apps and you can put on some lights and everything. And it's strangely lookalike the pictures. But sometimes they were, when we were seeing at the pictures, they were just boom. There they are, the new picture. You could see it was popping up.

So it was no way, when you are using an app, you need to save and you need to arch out to the pictures and everything. So it was so, it happened. I don't know how, why. Yeah. Were there any times that you, like, faked a video for Rognil? No. I didn't fake a video. I know.

I didn't fake any videos, but I know sometimes I was so excited that you don't always know what you were doing kind of like. And I remember I could be a little bit crazy because there was so much happening. So I remember, oh, what was that you? Was that me? And the ranglil was a little bit like that, I remember. But I didn't fake any videos with purpose that I didn't do. you know when you are so assumed or consumed in this kind of what do you call it i think you get a little bit weird because you are living in a bubble so everything you see you think oh my god that's something

and it can be totally normal if you know what i mean and i think some small weird things that was happening I was always thinking, oh, that's them, or now something is happening. And now everything was like that. And I think some of those times, I think it was just a natural reason for it. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, like you're experiencing so much intense paranormal stuff that like sometimes you're mistaking regular things for paranormal, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah, that makes sense to me.

When was the last time you've watched some of the old videos? that's a long time ago years I guess because I lost all my videos in the disc I told you about so

yeah will you watch some with me I sure can do yeah let's see the file is called who I'm going to try to pronounce this

Sarah cluck cluck Kelly Lid Yes Yeah I remember Was there something

I started clicking And there was coming Some information or something Was there something like that? Let's watch this It's so weird to see this again I'm doing a lot in sleep It's crazy

It's here It's here Where I was sitting now In that corner Oh, this is in your apartment. Yeah. Do you remember those, the clicking happening? I remember.

Yeah, I remember. I would have just totally forgot about it. I remember. When would that happen? I think it started to happen when I was asleep. I don't know why it was happening. But I remember when mine is refreshing a little bit there. It was just starting sometimes when I was.

awake, uncontrolled. I heard that you were going into like trances and like passing out and things like that. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's maybe the craziest close to me because that when that happened, I really, really, really got anxious. That's something very wrong with me.

Because in the start when I was touching water or just showering my head, I was passing out. and was gone, gone. And when Ragnil found me passing out, she was like, she is really not breathing. She is not breathing. And when I came back, this was like, when I, yeah, impact. So I thought I was gasping for air. I was so hyperventilating, so gasping for air.

It was like I was out of my body and my soul kind of touched my body and I had to experience. And it hurt. It was so painful in my body. The hands were so painful and felt like I was too big for my body. It was like so crazy. And that happened a lot in a time and I got so, so tired of it. It was so, yeah, the energy. It was not very, very nice.

Would you remember this? Like, what was the experience? Would you just get in the shower? Like, walk me through that? Yeah. In the start, I didn't. I didn't. I thought maybe I was having, yeah,

it was some physical things that just happened that I was stressed out or something. But it kind of had this. I don't know. It happened when I was touching. Yeah, it was when I was showering, especially when the water was touching my head. And then this was like passed out. So I got scared of showering.

I didn't want to shower. What would happen when you woke up? Was it, were you by yourself for any of these? Or was she always there? No, in the start, I was by myself and got shitty scared because I didn't remember why I was laying on the floor or in the shower. And then when I got the control of my breathing, I remembered, okay, yeah, I was in the shower and then everything got black and I don't remember anything. And that was kind of heavy when you were alone. But of course, I called Rang Niro when I could.

and she, yeah, it was crazy. That was crazy. After a time, they sent it a text to Rangli with a special time, maybe, like 1545 on the clock. We found out that 1545, I just passed out. I could be anywhere, not near water or just, yeah. But she was, sit down, sit down, sit down, sit down. And at the exact same moment, I was like, how often was this happening?

Kind of often in a period. It could happen maybe two times a day, one time a day, every day for a week, maybe. What was that experience like? Scary. Because I had no control. And it was so scary to wake up again because I had a problem to breathe. I was, and I think that was a mix of being very scared and being passed out for a long time.

And I was still, and I was asking, why is this happening to me? Why me? why me and I'm still asking that if I'm thinking about it why was it so brutal because that was felt like it was brutal for the body and their breath and everything for the mind and I was I was yeah I felt like dull someone like playing hard with me it felt like that felt like that and I was was yeah, that was maybe a little bit dark sometimes. I got really scared. And in one way I felt, in one way I felt Ranil understood me, but at the same time I felt she kind of like wanted it to happen more because it was so special if you know what I mean. So it was. It was.

was hard. I felt very alone in that experience because it was only happening to me, not her. Yeah, I had one in the bathroom home. I think, yeah, Rangir was here, but I was in the bathroom. And again, I was just acting normal where I were just, yeah, hanging out in my own apartment, just doing stuff. and was going to the bathroom to put some cream out or something. And boom, gum. And it's the waking up part that it was hard. When I saw I was lying at the floor and the floor is so hard, I could really, it could go on really wrong because my bathroom is so small,

I could bang my head and shoulder or something. it's so that scared me out when I was waking up because it's it was it's so small and but it was it was good I didn't I didn't had I didn't yeah it was okay with me no scratches or something but it was just scary because I had no control and it was that no control I was so afraid oh because I was scared there was something physical wrong with me but in one way I understood that there's nothing wrong with you this is something with the whole thing how does it feel talking about this finally like how are you doing

I'm doing yes I'm doing okay because it's so it's a long time since I've been talking about it because it was yeah Yeah, it's strange to talk about it, but it's also kind of good to just talk a little bit about it, I guess, because I've kind of just laid behind me. But I still experience things, but it's so normal for me. So it's not a big of a deal. But all these crazy episodes, it's a long time ago.

So it's good to talk about it. good to talk about someone who is not judging. Yeah, it's been, I mean, I've been trying to talk to you for a year. I really, I wasn't sure what you would be like. I had a lot of, yeah. I don't know, what do you think? I'm a normal girl? I mean, none of this is normal, but you're more normal than I thought you'd be, you know?

I mean, I'm just glad you're willing to talk to me because without that, Like, every, I mean, look, like, everything points to you and, like, I never heard from you. So I, I'm just glad to be able to talk to you. I understand that. But in one way, I am glad that someone is just want to listen to me, because, of course, I will help people understand that there's something more than just this physical world and this humans and this physical. and these physical things we just have around those because I've got so many strange things happening to me. So it has to be shared in one way.

So I'm very glad you are doing that. But I'm not feeling to put my face on it, if you know what I mean. I'm not ready for that. All right, we have to take a break, but we'll be right back with the rest of the episode. Did you ever talk to your family about this? Like, what did they know?

Yeah, that was the hardest thing for me, because when something was happening to me, I was always, I could always talk to them. Now I just had Drag Nih. And that was so, yeah, my father is a doctor, and my mother is a teacher. So they are kind of very down-to-earth logical people who is not very into this spiritual world.

I was lying so much in these years. I was lying so much and I felt so bad about it because I felt I couldn't tell anyone. So I have tried to tell my mom a bit because she's more open than my father, but small things. They really don't know much what was going on in my life in that period of time.

What things did you tell your mom? I was telling her about the music that was playing from my computer because they were also very into playing from Spotify. We could just sit in the room and the music could just play when my MacBook was closed. It was just playing music. and sometimes you were just having conversations and music was playing often with lyrics or a title that confirmed our conversations or just and hello with adele comes how was coming so often hello we could just sit still and watch tv and wasn't doing anything and then oh hello with Adele was coming out. But not, do you think that Siri could have been doing this? I don't think so, because it was so often the Mac was closed.

And we were not doing nothing, like just watching TV. Or was just, I was doing some work thing or the Rangmi was doing some work thing, not in this at all. And then suddenly the music was just playing. And that happened a lot. And that was also later at communication kind of thing

like the text message they were playing different songs it was both famous songs and songs we never have been heard have heard before and yeah it was different kinds of songs would the songs like skip around

would they like change in the middle of the song or would it play to the end? Yeah they could they could sometimes just they could skip in the song and just play some sentences, play backwards and forward. So I could hear the same sentences over and over and over again. And it felt like when I had understand what they meant with that sentences, they were skipping to the next song or they just stopped the whole thing.

I was changing password and was changing, like, using username and everything. things. I was sure that it was just mine. Could this happen with Wi-Fi or without? Yeah. Yeah, it was a MacBook and the phones. Yeah, and radios. They were in the cars. I think that, yeah, TV, TV, Apple TV. What did your mom say to that? No, then I didn't say. so much. I was just dripping a little bit to her and she was like, yeah, but that may, but yeah, you know, technical stuff these days. Maybe they're just starting to play, but at the same time, she was like, hmm, are you sure or have you been experienced that before? I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, but maybe, maybe you just, maybe you just needed to hear that song. And when she was

saying that, I was like, okay, yeah, you are in one way, a little bit in it, but, That's enough for me. So, yeah. So one thing she said to me that is probably the most extreme. I want to see what you think of it. She said that there are points where you were performing what she called miracles.

Do you know what she might be referring to? Or does anything come to mind? It's like disappearing in start. Such. I think that was some of it. Yeah. In today, I still need to work on believing it happening, if you know what I mean. Because for me, it was, it's so, yeah, it's so insanely crazy.

because I was in the middle of it and I have seen pictures of it and I have experienced it but at the same time it's so it's from my head this tomb it's so mind-blowing

so I still today need to tell myself was it really happening but this was happening so yeah what was an example of the disappearing I just remember we were in France and I was,

we was walking me and Ragnol and a friend. We were walking by a shopping window, a big window and we were just looking at some jewelleries and we were talking and I remember I felt dizzy. And then for me, everything gets. It gets blurry and black. I don't remember anything. I have been told, Ranil and this friend, suddenly saw I was disappearing between them in the window. And they were, what happened now? Where is she? She was just standing there.

They were running around and where is she and what happened? And I remember coming back on a totally different place. It was just this 50 meters apart only. But that was crazy. You're saying one moment you remember standing in front of the window and the next year like somewhere else? I didn't felt like myself, if you know what I mean? I was out of myself.

I can't explain it because it's crazy. but yeah that is what was happening this is so interesting talking to you because is it different from what everyone else is saying or yeah I mean it's funny hearing you explain these stories in the most casual way almost like downplaying them

you know making them seem very small like oh I disappeared and it was, yep, I don't know. Yeah, maybe because I know there's, yeah, maybe because I know it's so crazy that I'm trying to just, you know, because I'm not doing it for attention at all because I think it's so crazy myself. Yeah. So, yeah. But, yeah. So she told you that

And I Or did she not She did she did I see She also I think there was a story about You being able to Move stones

Does that sound familiar Yeah it sounds familiar Yeah but that's Yeah What do you think about that the same is crazy but it did happen but again it was

I was not conscious in this way so when some of those that stuff happened I was not myself myself I was out there somewhere but it was

yeah some meters or something yeah it did happen what did it feel like a normal in some way so natural and some way so crazy a place in between tell me about

moving the stones I heard that you put them behind her head one time Oh, this is a long time ago. The only way I can explain it is like feeling like you have superpowers. It's the most, yeah, it's the most, yeah, I don't know. It's so crazy the energy that I felt so not powerful. It's the wrong word, but it's very electric. And it was, it was like my mind was going so fast.

And I could just do it. It was, I could just turn it on and boom. And just some minutes after it was just gone. It was just some spaces in between the normal life. I got some openings, like very, very, I don't know, it were so short moments. I felt so, yeah, magical. It was crazy.

It was like, yeah, electrical. Now I can do it. Now I can do it. It was a boom. Do you remember doing it with the stones? Can you tell me about that? Yes and no, because, yeah, I can try. Because I was, when I was doing the stuff,

I was in some way, my conscience was some way behind me and I was in front of myself in some way. And it was easier for me to look at things like energy, not physical, more like energy. And when you, it was like everything was making more sense when it was like energy and not physical. and in that way it was easier to move the energy than the physical thing so for me it was like just moving the energy there from there to there it's the best i can explain i think but it was like moving energy not a physical thing i don't think i can describe just that it just happens so fast also i don't think it's a word for it It's just, it's going from there to there. It's like, yeah, I don't think I can't explain it.

Yeah, I was like very open. I could see a lot of energies. Like, felt like I could, felt like I was a lexicon kind of thing, very smart. Like I was knowing everything and everything was normal. And I just could answer kind of. everything. It was crazy. Yeah. What are some examples of that? I heard about this too.

Yeah. Being fully psychic, she said. Yeah. Yeah, that's the easy way to say. It's fully psychic. I only could ask me something that I definitely didn't know everything about and was just telling her what I knew about it. And I don't remember anything. examples right now. It was so much, but I don't remember some exact examples. I think she was asking a lot of how they live and how they are working out there and to help us down here and how they are contacting the earth or different people. I think she was asking a lot of that.

I think I was telling her, I was drawing a lot. Yeah, I was drawing a lot. I was drawing a lot of geometry and was explaining the energy of the geometry I was drawing, I think. And she was asking a lot of, lot of that. So, of course, I know that all of this came to an abrupt end, at least between you and Rognail. Like, I really want to hear your side of that. Yeah, it was kind of explosive from my side.

It was like, it's now or never. Because I was so... I felt, oh, I don't know how to explain this in English, but I would talk. fry. I felt she was... You could use a Norwegian word if you want. Overtchert, overtrock it. I felt like I

didn't have a choice. Like obligated? Yeah, thank you. I felt very obligated to the whole thing. And I feel I lost some of my

early 20s. the years I should without doing crazy other stuff, partying and be with friends and everything. And I was stuck in my apartment dealing with the crazy energies. Because I was trying to figure out who I was at that time and who am I. It was a lot at the same time. I was in the start in to write a book, mostly because it was good to me to write about everything that was happening. But at the same time, I didn't want to, but I did, but I didn't want to. I could write, but I didn't want to publish.

And everything was when it was talking about publishing and get this out. And I was like, no, no, I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. And I felt she was waiting for me and waiting for me and waiting for me and waiting for me. And I felt I was holding her back for so long. And kind of felt I was disappointing her so often and so much. We had common friends who was involved in this. I heard about them.

Yeah. And that was, in my opinion, she was jealous of me being with them. I knew these people before Erang Nel, so we were, I was talking a little bit about them. And I, with them. And then they were suddenly, we were meeting up to, so I could explain more because I knew they were open. at that meeting the Spotify thing happened confirming things we were talking about

and things they were talking about and experienced without me being there and they were kind of confirming things through music so we took that as a sign that they were going to be more with us or experience more and we should do things together and, you know, meditation and just be together. And that's nice to be a bigger group, experience things together.

Yeah, so it started that way. And I introduced them to Ragnel and the same thing happens, music and crazy thing going on. And we kind of bonded that way. It's so complicated But It seems like she thought Maybe these other people were trying to Get in on

This special thing you guys have been doing for so many years You know With the get in with the beings Yeah Yeah Yeah It felt like that sometimes That she was thinking that

It sounds like the breakup of every band, you know, every band breaks up like that. I know. It's so, yeah, it's so, it's crazy. It was so much, she was, yeah, of course, maybe I'm not, I'm not, because she had, I think, she had some vision in her head that, we were doing things together, together, together, together. and we must not spell the life with normal things to do.

We have to do this. We need to tell people about this. It was tearing her apart. It was not, yeah, it was not good. Yeah, we had a breakup. A really, really bad breakup. What happened after that with, them, whatever they are.

Yeah. What happened? And did you ever break up with them? Like, what happened? No, they will always be a part of my life, I think. I don't know what's happened with Drang Dijl. But for me, they have always been there. It's still, I told you, with some music and stuff.

And she was actually getting some text messages. sometimes, but that was just, yeah, it was a week or a month or a half a year, she could do that, but then she could not do that anymore. And for me, I have doing things for myself, just being with myself, they haven't stopped, so I'm in it, but not in the same same way. it was before. So it's not like I'm just doing this and never going to hear from them or see them again. I'm still in it. But in a very, very low key way, if I can say so. So they will always be a part of me and that's okay. But I'm doing it in my pace or yeah, whatever.

Did Did you ever get like texts or messages from these beings trying to get you and Ragnall reunited or anything like that? Did they have an opinion? No. No, I didn't get any of that. But when I was trying to ask them just, you know, out in the room, you need to have me, what am I going to do? I got help from the music and I think that was them. Yeah, I was here in my

apartment, kind of messed up. I felt like everything was going under. I was like, what am I going to do with this? I think I have decided what to do, but you know, you are asking out, what am I going to do? And I was going to bed and my Mac was at the kitchen. And then I started to hear music and I was like, okay, here they are. It was typical how they was saying hello. They started almost always with hello with Adele, the song, hello. So it was like, okay, it's them. Great.

Then I ask again, what do I do with this situation? and then they were playing songs with titles or a lyrics that was kind of answering my question, I guess. They told you, what did they tell you in that moment? With the songs. Most that's what I was thinking was right. And that's the most important was me to be happy. and if I wasn't, I should do something about it. It was more like a pep talk kind of thing.

Yeah, it was easy to understand what they meant. Well, let me ask you this. Well, first, how did you refer to these, them? Like, what did you call them? I just call them them. They, yeah. Do you believe in them now? Do you think they exist?

Like, what do you? Yeah, I believe in them. I do that. They are out there for sure. And do you think they're done with you? What do you think is going to happen? Are you going to, they had a mission for you or something, right? Yeah, it felt like that. So I don't know. Since they are on enough, I'm not thinking so much of it. If something is happening, I think I'm more ready for it. If you know what I mean, I think I can be more open and understandable of what they might have in their minds or what they are planning.

I don't know, but I'm not sitting here and waiting for them to do something, if you know what I'm in. But if something is happening, I think I'm more ready or something. Yeah. Did they tell you, didn't they tell you about like a time that's coming where things will be thinner, the separation will be thinner between? Yeah, yeah, they were saying something like that. Yes, true. Do you think that's coming? Yeah, I think so. How do you feel in everything? What do you think? What do you have, yeah.

I mean, I don't know what I think anymore, honestly. I feel like this stuff can't be real just because it's too weird to be real, you know? Yeah. But I also, like, I can't figure out a way that it's fake. I can't, like, explain everything. You know, I think, honestly, for this whole year, I thought I would finally crack the case once I talked to you, you know? Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm not helping you all up there. So, yeah, that's where I'm at.

It's like, I don't know what to think. Yeah, it's understandable. And plus, I think I mentioned in my email what happened with Wrongneal's computer, the Siri thing. Yeah. The same thing. I'm like, it can't be real, but I haven't found the way it would be fake. What do you think about the Siri thing? Do you think she's capable of, do you think she would fake that? No, I don't think so. She was, she's not very patient with technology and she's, she, yeah, no, I don't think so.

something said to me, I'll see you when you're 40. I'm currently 35. That's in five years. What do you think about that? Yeah. It's something to think about. But you need to, yeah, you need to, maybe something is going to happen when you are 40. Maybe something is not going to happen when you're 40.

I don't know. Thank you, Sarah. It's very reassuring. Yeah, I'm sorry. But it's, it can be the small thing, the smallest thing that is meaning a lot to you. And it can be a bigger thing that is also having a great meaning for you, I think. But in the best way, nothing scary. You think it has something to do with my own life, not with them.

Yeah, but your life can. have something to them, do with them, maybe. Maybe you are experiencing something mind-blowing to. It's kind of weird, everything. Yeah, that's an understatement for sure. Yeah. It's crazy how normal this normal this is for me. So it's like, yeah, yeah, everything can happen.

But I know it sounds crazy. It's crazy. It's really crazy. Yeah, I kind of shocked it a little bit down. For me, it was too heavy to carry. There's a lot of questions I still ask myself why it happened. Because there were so many things that was so extreme. I haven't figured out the answer for that, even for myself yet.

so it's been very funny and many great moments but yeah it's a crazy lovely ride that i'm glad i'm finished with in some way and glad i have experienced hi i'm here how are you guys good yeah good Back to you're... Oh, really? I mean, more normal. I mean, it's been a bit of an emotional roller coaster for sure. But it's been interesting. Are you talking about the podcast?

Are you talking about the last 10 years? Both. But right now I was mostly talking about the podcast. Let me ask you this. What do you guys believe now? I don't think that my opinions on anything has really changed. I still arrive at the same conclusion that it's like, the only thing I can really trust is like the experience that I had

and like the, I don't know, like my, I guess my own eyes and my own feelings about it. Yeah, I witnessed so many bizarre things that I never thought was possible. Objects flying through solid walls and, even objects appearing or materializing in my mom's house that weren't even in that house. Like that happened more than once. I also wasn't the only one experiencing that. It's very hard to process, but it's also kind of made me just feel like anything is possible. For me, even though some of the stuff my mom talks about sounds like so bizarre,

and I wasn't there. but I don't see why they should make it up. And like I said, experiencing those bizarre things kind of just makes you feel like anything is possible. So I guess that could also be possible, even though it sounds completely nuts. Yeah, I mean, to be clear, like, I believe them. I believe the stories.

I don't know what they experienced, but I believe that they had those experiences. but what caused that, what like, I don't know. But like with the people being able to move things without touching them, it kind of looked like that was what Sarah was doing when she was walking past the jug of water and the water glasses and the vases of flowers, like anything containing water just tipped over when she walked past. Part of me felt like almost like she was doing it, but she didn't understand that she was. she was doing it, or she was triggering it, but she didn't know how or why.

I have no idea how to explain that, but it still, I experienced it. When my mom told me the stuff about the crystals, of course that sounds completely absurd, but all of it has been so absurd, so why shouldn't that also be possible if the other absurd stuff was possible? You know, a big part of this whole thing was that these things were talking about something that was coming. Oh, yeah. And that you all might have some sort of role to play in it.

Do you ever think about that? Sometimes? Yeah. I mean, yeah, that's the part of the story that feels the most strange, maybe. And the most difficult to grasp. But I think if it's true that we do have some type of task, maybe sharing the story is one of them, you know. But I don't know, and maybe we're not meant to know, but I think that part doesn't scare me that much anymore. Yeah, I mean, this story has been a big mystery to me and maybe it always will be.

And I think trying to understand all parts of it is like too overwhelming. So for now, I think I just need to focus on my life and, you know, this dimension. And just accept that something really strange happened to us like 10 years ago. And yeah. But I'm grateful we went through it together. I don't think. I think if either of us had to do it alone. we would have completely cracked.

Yeah, for sure. Oh, I would have lost my mind. Do you think this is over? Not really, no. I want to give a very big thank you to Solvai, Rongnil, Kara, and Sarah for sharing the story with me and trusting me with it. I've gotten to know them quite well

in the process of making this series, and I'm very grateful for it. I think I'm still figuring out, what I think of this whole thing. I'm not sure if I'll ever know exactly what happened. I'm also not even sure if this story is finished yet, but I think I'm okay with leaving it here for now. This has been them, and you've been listening to Otherworld.

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I think we lost him for real now. I need to finish this. We're supposed to be finishing this. Yeah. Did the man really look like me? Honestly, the first time I saw a picture of your face, that's the first thing I thought was like, he kind of looks like this man. I know that's strange. Is that why you emailed me? No.

I don't think I knew what you looked like when I emailed you. No, I emailed you because I had been listening to your podcast. I guess you can understand why I didn't tell you that before now because then you probably would have just thought like, oh, this girl is bonkers. Guys, I am so ready to be done with you. You'll have to let us know. when you turn 40 if anything happens to you

you have to send us a message with a lot of emojis you know I don't think about that not even when your speakers turn on at night I'm not sure I'm not putting that part in no

I'm in this enough I'm in this enough yeah it was definitely the wind yeah your cat probably started playing music at the exact same time, several nights in a row. Every single night. This is the cult influence of Ragnil. Actually, you're the cult leader.

That's a plot twist.