Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette - #103 Jessica Harnois | Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

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Hello everyone, welcome to Open Your Game, the podcast. I received a message that I think I will change the introduction to the future in Open Your Game. I will explain why. Her name is France, and France lives in Paris. She is a Parisian, and she told me, me, I'm discovering your podcast, I love it. And she also told me that Valérie Le Mercier, she's a French actress, maybe it will tell you something.

She's the one who played Céline Dion in the film we did on The Dion Family's History a few years ago. I think she's the one who produced that film. So this comedian talked about opening her game in another French podcast. And I know, Valérie, thank you, we've been told by Interposé that she liked the podcast from day one. So one day we're going to invite her, she'll be sitting with us.

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What a beautiful observation! I was thinking, France, I should have done that from the beginning. I always tend to get to the person in front of me quickly. So for the next time, in this case, I will ask the guest to introduce himself. But for the next time, I will try to make a little intro, during the intro, to introduce the guest. So thank you very much for this request. Obviously, I want to thank our partners, the Marie-Club Espace mieux être, if you want to be part of this great community that I set up with my team, because I wanted to help women continue to talk to you, We are also doing virtual meetings called Courseries. If you want to be part of the community, go to mariclaude.com.

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But as soon as she's on the public square, I want to hear her. She's a sommelier. TV a quelques reprises, mais sur des sujets très spécifiques. Mais dès qu'elle est sur la place publique, j'ai envie de l'entendre. C'est une sommelière. Elle parle des vins avec une aisance incroyable. Si vous allez dans plusieurs épiceries, elle a la marque Bu. C'est sa ligne de vins, sa collection de vins. Puis ça va super bien, cette entreprise-là, déjà plusieurs années. C'est quelqu'un que vous avez vu comme chroniqueuse à plusieurs endroits parce que c'est vraiment sa This company has been going very well for several years. You've seen her as a chronicler in several places because it's really her passion, wine, but she's also a businesswoman, a healer. And I want to know her. I have the impression that we have a lot to learn from this woman who is leaving insurance. I'm talking about Jessica Arnois.

I'm sure you know her. If you don't know her, I think we're going to discover an inspiring woman today. And here she is. I'm going to welcome her. So I'm leaving all the space to Jessica Arnois from now on. But I think that everything changes and changes very quickly. It scares us. So we like to say that we don't change to give ourselves an excuse

to not change. But you've experienced an event that brought you to change. Exactly. I understood it like that. That's it, you've experienced it in full swing. Yes, exactly. So, knowing that I think we change and that we may have... But you've experienced it, so you speak in knowledge of cause.

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Je suis très contente de la recevoir. J'y ai écrit l'hiver dernier, je pense que c'était en janvier. Elle était au Sri Lanka avec des éléphants. Puis ça m'a tellement allumé de la voir de cette façon-là parce que c'est une sommelière, parce que c'est une femme d'affaires, parce que c'est quelqu'un qui est extrêmement déterminé, but to see her that way because she's a sommelier, because she's an businesswoman, because she's someone who's extremely determined. I had already seen her on television on different subjects. And to see her... It seemed like she was coming to get me because it's something I'd like to do, but I don't do it. I report it, I report it.

And she does a lot of business. It seemed like she didn't have any questions. I wanted to understand her and especially that she inspires us to go after her madness. So Jessica Arnois, welcome Jessica. Thank you, what a beautiful intro. Well listen, it really lit me up. Sometimes after the holidays we are a little tired. We are looking forward to the holidays. And I always have a little blouse to start the year again, because, you know,

it's going to be long, the holidays are long before they happen. And then you say, no, you, the holidays are over, you go to Sri Lanka with elephants in a sanctuary. I was nodding. Seriously. And I wrote to you, you answered me. I said, I can't believe she answered me and you were with elephants. I was tripping. I had wifi. You had wifi. And I find that we don't know you answered and was with elephants. I was tripping. I had wifi.

You had wifi. And I think we don't know you enough in the public sphere. We know you in the 20s. In all the grocery stores, we see your collection. We drink, we do how many chronicles. You're part of the associations. I mean, you're a woman really involved in everything you do, you go to 300%, but I think we need to know you more, Jessica, because you are inspiring. Thank you. And we need inspiration, and people who get up and eat, and who go to the end of their ideas, and if it doesn't work, it doesn't work.

So I have a lot to do, a lot, but obviously... You're a me out. I had fun playing the game. I didn't know what was going to happen because you're going to choose the questions. But I would like you to introduce yourself. Who is Jessica Arnois? If I say who Jessica Arnois is,

it's a very simple girl. I want to tell you that I'm a girl who is passionate, until the end of her fingers. Passionate about wine, but also about being human. I love people. I'm a psychosocialist in training. I have my Bac in Com, my MBA in business. I'm still in college. So I'm in biomedical science. On health and wine.

Because I think that the simplest thing in life is what you understand. If you can't simplify it, it's because you didn't understand it. I fell into wine when I was 7. I know it's weird, I didn't drink. Did you see people drinking wine? My mother is a great entrepreneur. She created the Quebec Fashion Association. Fashion and wine were in her hands.

My nanny was Benoit Marleau at the time, with Gaston L'Heureux. Benoit Marleau, the comedian. Zino Deflinstone. Yes, absolutely. There was a restaurant at Marleau's. My mom was doing fashion shows there. I was watching them drink wine, I was not that old.

I did a lot of titles. I really lost my mind. I read a lot on my lips. I don't understand very well. And I should wear glasses. So if you take that off, it made me have a good palate. And Benoît and Gaston realized it at the time. They said, my God, he gave me a wine. I said to myself, but what is that? Fermented juice? I didn't understand. But I saw people coming in and it wasn't embarrassing. It was nice at first, but it was embarrassing. That's what I saw that behavior. And I saw them drink, and then I saw them become embarrassing and they weren't embarrassed. They were beautiful at first, but they were embarrassed. That's what I saw in that behavior.

And I saw them drink, and then I saw them become embarrassed, but not embarrassed anymore. That really struck me. I was like, wow, what are they drinking? You saw them change. Yes, you see their mouths, you spit, their teeth are dirty, you spit. So I didn't associate wine with buzz. I don't like that. I associated wine with magic.

How can raisins smell like lemon, honey? It's extraordinary. It made me smell wines at the age of 7. I had a good nose. My daughter is better than me. I found the aromas of wine. My mother didn't understand what I was doing. My father, who is a teacher and historian, said to me, Oh my God, wine, you have to be careful about that, even today, he found the name of the wine that is drunk. I worked with my father and he said, be careful,

we taste it, we don't drink it. That's why I'm in the studies to learn to drink less and better. Who is Jessica Arnaut? She's a passionate wine lover, a human, and it brings me to travel the world, and to be really fascinated by the magic of seeing how much you can transform or transmit a product. How does a fermented raisin bring a panoply of high aroma? Or is it just that?

It fascinates me. I like that. I like hearing you. And every time I turn on my radio and you're there or on TV, I stop. Because you're a storyteller too. I see it, it takes shape in my head. Because if it doesn't have life, it doesn't attract me. You know, what turns me on is when the little hairs are iris. When it gets up, when I drink a wine that I love, it takes the root of my head to the tip of my fingers. You know when Céline Dion sings a note and she gets caught.

Your heart stops. Well, a good wine does that to me, a nice person does that to me. So I'm looking for beauty in all the little things in life. That's what lights me up. Simple. I love it. That's who I am. I think we understand that we're going into your universe. Because it will be your universe for all the minutes that will follow

with Open Your Game. Jessica, how does it work? There are green questions, these are general questions. You just have to know that this mixture of questions, you're the only one who will have it. You will leave with your game afterwards. Absolutely. So these are more general questions.

These are questions that are starting to be more specific to you. These are personal questions. Sensual or sexual. This is the question at the Eros and Companions level, so it gives you an idea. Yes, yes, I like it. And optoraiso is the last question you will answer, which is always a question that ends the game all at ease. It's like we're putting this plane down that we took off together. And there's a nice landing track with the question and answer.

And I don't know if you'll use it, it's free to you. There's a joker. So if you think my questions are going too far, you want to change, you don't want to. It looks like I was sure you were going to do that. So we'll start with the green level. You're brushing them on the table. You're going to give me five of these cards.

I'm tripping my life. Yes, it's like brushing your cards. I have the chills. It means we're in the right place. Four, five. I'm going to read them to you. You're going to choose one that you're going to answer. Then I'm going to choose one. So you're going to answer only two questions.

Okay. Who had this fantastic idea? It's you? It's me. It's so funny. It's me. Listen, one afternoon, we decided to do a podcast. One afternoon, we were in a meeting. We said, well, you like to play. Hey, I followed you, I was in the south.

We had played a game. We started to play in the rain for real. It was raining, we didn't know what to do. Someone who had brought a game with questions. First question. I think we spent three hours. We learned to get to know each other, even if we knew each other. So I said that like that.

And then right away, there's someone else, but Christine said, we can have levels. Listen, it was built in one afternoon. We tried it with Charlotte Théroux, it was never broadcast. So cool. And we said, okay, it works. No, but I looked at what you were doing, I said to myself, my God, it's so brilliant.

And it's so brilliant. And it's fun for us because it brings us to different areas that keep the spontaneity. Yes, and you choose too. I'm going to impose one on you, but you know, you choose. So, first question. To be good with myself, I must. What importance do you give to others' looks? What is your worst flaw? How do you react to authority? What kind of child were you?

Oh my God, I'll start with the first one. I can answer everything, but I'm going to do it. To be good with myself, I have to listen. Very often, I think out of the box, always in the intention of doing good. But what I mean by that is that very often we try to please others instead of ourselves. And we don't please anyone. So to be good with myself, I have to learn to listen to myself, to listen to my needs. It's not easy because it's not the way we were raised necessarily in a society where you sometimes had to be in the ranks. You know, at school you have to be in the ranks. I had really cool parents, I must say.

So I think that... Have you ever been in the ranks? No. But I don't have parents who are in the ranks. I think that's what helps me. They are brilliant people, my father, my and mother, who paved the way. That's why I spend a lot of time sharing the education I received, because I realize that I am a free woman through my thoughts.

I don't have a lot of limiting thoughts. And that's something you learn. So I would say that to listen, you also have to be able to have empathy towards yourself. And I still have three guides. What is my intention? What is my real intention? Because we can make mistakes, we are human. If I made you a penalty, it was clearly not my intention. So to be able to come back to,

it wasn't my intention. That takes away the guilt, and it allows you to communicate better. So to be good, I have to validate my intention. After, does it make sense? Is it coherent? If you tell me the light is green over there, I see it green too.

Your shirt is pink, but if you tell me it's brown, I'm all confused. Sometimes in life, it's not coherent. It doesn't work between the head and the heart. So, for me, it needs to be coherent, it needs to make sense. Thirdly, it needs to be holy. Holy needs to make sense. And thirdly, it needs to be healthy. Healthy, you don't have the little ball, you know. So, to be good, I'm not good if I have a little ball.

And how are you when you're not good? Jesse Canot, the volcano. I'm super sensitive, I empty my senses. So, I had to learn not to react too hard. I have a bull, I don't know what that means, but it's cool until the confrontation, I don't like that. Because bulls look like they're in pain,

and then one day it explodes, or something happens. When you see red, the person who worries me the most is myself. So to be good with me, I wouldn't hurt. But did you have a moment when things happened and you said, OK, there, I have to... I can't do it. I'd rather die than let myself be dominated. But did you ever have a moment when you had to say, OK, this is not going to work?

I'd rather die than let myself be dominated. So you have the authority. I love authority if it makes sense and it's healthy. If it's a toxic authority that wants to dominate me, it won't work with me. OK. And when do you think you should take care of yourself? At any time. Because it's like a car. I realized that my car was more in charge than myself.

But that happens often. All the time. We take appointments for our car, but we don't take them for ourselves. No. And anxiety is a very common subject. We suffer here in Quebec, if you look at Quebec-Canada, the numbers are crazy, of anxiety, of depression, when we are exposed to being the luckiest in the world. We are one of the luckiest in the world. But we are so in the race, and we are surprised. So to take care of myself, I listen to my alarm systems. If I don't sleep at night, you me verras pas commencer à stresser.

M'ouvrir la lumière, y a de quoi qui me bug. M'en voir un talk avec moi-même. Tu comprends? Ça veut dire, whoop, y a de quoi qui me dérange. Qu'est-ce qui me dérange? Tu sais, c'est les cinq questions. Qui, quand, où, pourquoi, comment. Je me pose ces questions-là. C'est qui qui me dérange? C'est quoi qui me dérange? C'est comment je peux régler ça? Pourquoi ça me dérange? Tu sais, puis comment? And how can I solve this? Five questions. So you're intense. I'm extremely intense, but simple. Intense but simple.

Have you always been like that? Ask these questions, for example. You have to sit in the corner inside of yourself. And what do you do as an activity to do good? I'm well surrounded. I'm surrounded by kind people. I'm surrounded by people who understand my world. Because I have a world. I see things. Imagine I describe liquid.

When I look at a human, it transforms. It transforms everything. I'm not saying I'm the truth, but I'm with people who understand my way of being. So, since I'm an intense, sensitive woman, who has a heart, I have a lot of hearts, I love people. You know, my nickname is Abundance. So, Jess, Abundance. So, I have to surround myself with people who are caring, so I have less, but they are solid. Because you give a lot. It's important what you say. Yes.

The surrounding also protects us too. Yes, and it's us who protect ourselves by choosing our environment. Yes, and that environment allows us to help who we are. And especially when you say that you are hyper-sensitive. There is something precious in hyper-sensitivity to be able to take care of it. Yes, and that's to be good. It's beautiful what you say. When you look at the little pheasants, it means that's to be good. What you're saying is beautiful. When you're a little bit serious, it means that's it.

Also, I want to tell you that often we forget our own power. Our power is to choose. When you're younger, it's harder to choose. But when you're old enough to choose and you have reins, a bit like on a horse, you're never alone. The horse is smart too, but your left or right, that's taking choices. That's choosing. So, everyone, you can choose to let yourself do things you don't like.

It's hard to say. Everyone has the right to do everything if you let yourself do it. And there are times in life where we are more tired, we are more vulnerable. You have to protect yourself more. If it rains on your head, you will protect yourself. So you have to learn to have value for yourself. You have to learn to not understand that everyone can do anything if you let yourself be done. Ah, he or she did this to me.

Take that sentence and say, I let myself be done with it. Hey, it rains on my head or I let myself be done with it, you know, under the rain. Why? I have no value. Why don't I take my two feet and I don't want to protect myself? So in every situation that is not healthy, that doesn't make sense, and that my intention is not in the right place, I get up again. But you were in therapy for all my education. Yes, I studied there. Yes, that's it, you studied there.

And I did therapy. Because I find that it's the quest for a life that you quickly summarize. That's beautiful. For me, it's the quest for a life that you quickly summarize. That's beautiful. For me, it's a quest for meaning in life. Sometimes we don't realize it. You just sum up something that can be a quest that will last several years. And you just put words on it.

I listen to you and it feels good to hear that. Because you said it at the beginning, you like to understand things and make them simple. It's simple, but at the same time, it's complex. Yes, because it's beautiful. When I created my game of wine, Wine Mystery. With Randolph, the same company as us. That's what I wanted to hear.

I was there, it's Randolph that I love. It took me eight years to do something simple, measured, measurable. Everything is quantifiable in life. I call it human mathematics. So you have to be able, for example, if I have a glass of water, I can see that it is transparent. If I put a glass of pale red wine on you, you see that it is paler than the dark red wine glass. You follow me and we don't even have it in front of us. So we are able to measure an impact. That's why when I give you,

everything counts in three in life, roughly, I study the brain. The brain after three, four choices, it's mixed. We have to use the brain for us. The brain doesn't work for us, it's us who have to learn how our machine works. So often we are driven,

it's the emotions that manage us instead of us that manage our emotions. It doesn't mean not to be emotional. It means to understand that it's us who control it, and not the opposite, to be dependent on our emotions. You're right, there are times in life where we let ourselves be invaded by our emotions. Yes, that's for sure. Sometimes it's hormonal too. That's what I was going to say. Sometimes it's chemical disbalances, sometimes...

That's why there are good doctors, good psychiatrists, good experts. My car, if I want to change oil, it seems easy to do that. Not sure I'll succeed. You understand? You can try. I could. I'm lucky that the car falls on me and I'm fine. So I'm better off with a good garage.

Absolutely. It's finding the right people to help us. And I think that when we know how to surround ourselves and be loyal. I've been keeping friends for so long. You know, I have friends from childhood. You know, all those who helped me, my father always told me that. Jess, never forget who helped you climb the steps. Because life is a game, like a snake and a shell.

And very often, we don't play our own life. We stay in the house, afraid of being disappointed, afraid. Hey, what's the worst that can happen? It's to go back down, maybe? Well, it's those who are going to go back down, that's the game. But people are maybe afraid of that. They don't accept that's life, it's a game. So if I play with you in Serpent Ishell, there's no consequences, we'll laugh.

If you drop, I'll laugh. Not with you, with you. We have fun because you're going to get up and say, Jess, watch me, I'm going to climb the ladder. But that's life. And then it's finding partners who get up together. So that's life. I'm just trying to stay light.

I love everything you say. But it makes you think about what you say. It doesn't leave you alone. I can imagine all those who are listening to us right now, leaving what we're doing to think about them or her. Do you understand? Because it's interrupting us.

It gives them power. And they have to be able to measure that power. Because sometimes, if I give you a glass of wine and I tell you to describe me, it's too stressful. Even for me. But if I have a matrix in my head, I'll start with the eyes, the color. Is it pale, medium or dark? If the wine is dark, it should be powerful in the mouth. Already, it gives me a measurement. It's a starting point.

But yes. And from that, the color looks like what? If it's pale, it's like a strawberry. If it's medium, it's like a starting point. Yes. And from that, the color looks like what? It's pale, it's like a strawberry. It's medium, it's like a bluish. And it's dark, it's like a wall. Does that ring a bell? You see the crescendo? Everyone understands that. So if I make a decision, after I get to the nose, does it taste like fruit, is it light or is it powerful in aroma?

And then, in the mouth, you can see what you want. The tastes are in nature. Yes, it's possible that you don't like it. You described it well, but it's possible that it's not in your taste. And that's okay, because it's you, it's no one else. So that's how I measure myself. I can't give you the truth, because the truth exists. It's our perspective.

It's a question of perspective in life. But what I can tell you for my life, to be good with myself, is that I have a matrix. And if I don't answer that, well, the answer is no. I won't do it. I won't go there. It doesn't make me vibrate. Even if everyone tells me to go to the left, I don't have to go. Confidence in yourself. Well, it's just to have the right to choose. But I do a lot of conferences, and it's often women who are there.

And it often comes back, fear. That's for sure. The fear of going down the ladder, the fear of looking at others, the fear of being wrong, and guilt too. That many men also. Yes, but that women will maybe name more, but this famous guilt becomes paralyzing. Which comes from our education. Yes. You know, if you look at me, I went to church with my grandparents.

So I started that, you imagine, until the priest was so poor and he touched a little child, I don't know why. So it went from, we go there all the time, to, there's no religion. I knew that. So restrictive education that my grandmother, even if she was sick, had to do with the kids, I knew it. You know? So after that, we wonder where it comes from.

It comes from an education, and I'm not putting my finger on something. That's what we had at the time. When I'm not doing that, it's going to be social media. When it's not social media, it evolves. That's what I've known in my bracket of time. I'm not dead, I'm 45. But you're right to say that today, it's a lot from social media that will see if it's good or not.

That's it. What should be done? It's what will draw them towards a place that may not be theirs, but that will dictate something. And then we don't have statistics of that. You know, like my daughter who is 16, she is on TikTok. It's like opening the door for all the young people of 20, 22, 25 years old. You look at them, it's cool, what are they doing? She learns a little bit of everything.

But she's 16. She's 16. What do you think it does as a result? So it's up to us to always try to be flexible in what we live. And then we've become the second intelligent. Artificial intelligence has surpassed us. So the human being wants to be intelligent, but we pedal backwards from something more powerful than us.

How are we going to react? So it's not the smartest or the strongest, it's the most flexible who succeed. So you have to adapt. But that's how we survived. It's the same as it works. The ability to adapt is super important. Hence simplicity. Because if you don't understand it, you can't do it.

We can't do what we don't know. So that's why I'm still at school. I always try to learn. You're going to take me back to school. You can learn by other means. I learn by doing that. Every human sitting in front of me, I go out with, oh wow, I have to remember that.

Exactly. The question I chose, Jessica, what is your worst flaw? My worst flaw is to be, and it's my greatest quality, is to be quiet. I'm very quiet. When I have an idea, I don't have it elsewhere. So I would say it's a default at the moment, because I can be a bit of a jerk. You know, Jess, when she's a jerk, she's a jerk. Not against someone, not against...

It's just that if I don't believe in it, I'm going to have a lot of difficulty going against... Against what you think. Yes. Against yourself, in some way. So it's a flaw. Do you think there are... Excuse me, there are a lot of people like you who miss it. Ah, I don't know, I never thought about that. I don't meet many of them.

So I'm always very lonely. Well, I'm like you. That's why. That's why I go to you. And I often feel very lonely. I always feel like I have a fight. That's why. That's what I'm going to be. And I often feel very lonely. I always feel like I have a fight. That's it. And sometimes I tell myself,

I'd like to stop having a fight, to drop my weapons. And it just becomes harmony. But it would be going against my convictions. And that's not possible. I love what I hear. So it can be seen as a flaw. Well, yes, at times,

say, drop the piece. That's it. But why would I drop it? It's not fixed. You understand. And for me, it's like... It's like my birth. It's like the Russian popes,

the little one who is full of conviction. Well, she, I have a good time filling the others, but if she's not happy, forget it. I hope I never tripped again. It's talking to me so much. But you know, we understand each other. Yes. But us, separated, in a dead of people who don't think like that, it's very...

It's difficult. It's not simple. No, no. So I don't try to cry. You know, in the sense that anyway, it's not everyone. No, no. So I don't try to cry. You know, in the sense that anyway, not everyone can cry. I always do the opposite. In all kindness, I say that. So I think it's a flaw in the world that I have, to be quiet, but which makes me my greatest quality.

And probably you too. Because you get your business done. Because my intention is good. That's it. It's not against anyone. No, that's what you're trying to do. Often, when you want to realize it, it's not to feed an ego. That's it. I call that making your own gulf. Like a gulf ego.

When my daughter and I are feeling a little gulf, we say, whoop, you're making your own gulf. And there, you gulf the chess and try to win a point. You never go far with that. No. I believe in that. I don't believe in that. And when it's confrontation, it goes with how I react to authority. I love authority. The ballots are good,

but if it becomes a cage, it's not good. Or if it's too loose and it can put my life in danger, it's not better. So I sincerely believe in the four ballots based on our values. You know, I'm all made based on authenticity, respect, trust and love. If I don't have these four values, I'm not there. So my worst flaw is maybe respecting myself, which is not a flaw.

But at the same time, it makes me isolated very often. I think, you know, in English we say against the grain, against the current. I will remember all my life in the third year. How old are you in the third year? Are you 7 or 8? Yes, I'm about 8 years old, I would say yes. It was a strategic question. And that marked me. It's important to say it.

It was a question of logic. I can't remember what the question was. And the teacher was not too fine. She was arguing with us. So we were all afraid of her. We were online and I was one of the big online, and I was one of the big ones. Everyone was repeating what the other one said, afraid of those who were wrong and crying.

In class, she would put all those on the left who said A, and all those on the right who said B. Can you believe I was the only one who said B? What did people do? They all laughed at me. I've mentioned it about my life. But I didn't believe in the answer A. And it was right that I was wrong or right. I didn't try to be right.

I went with what I thought was the most logical. And I was the one who got the right answer. And it gave me a good lesson. On the other hand, I had to have no ego. That I am able to have a not- don't have a good look on myself. Very strong. You have 28 students who laugh at you. It's not easy.

And then the other way around. They are angry at you because you are the teacher's pet. Not better. So you have to wear that too. In one case like in the other, I didn't get any winners. So I have the taste to tell you that my worst flaw is my greatest quality. But do you also feel that it's not the foundation of a leader? Probably yes, I would say yes.

Yes, in all humility, because I think that everyone can lead in their category. And it's not because you're a leader, so at the top of a pyramid, that your role is more important than those who are at the center. Because without your foundation, you're not at the top. That's very important to understand. I think everyone has their role, everyone has their place in life. And to be able to respect your good place, whether it's one, two, three, it's okay,

because the one doesn't want to be worth more than the four. But do you know where I understood that? I did singing a several years ago. And you're divided by voices, alto, soprano, you're in between. And you're going to practice your partitions with your pupil. I was soprano, so we did the soprano voices, and everyone was divided. And then the director of the choir gathered gathering us, and then we put that together. Hmm, that's beautiful.

And then you see how much you're part of a group. It's that your voice alone, when you practice with sopranos, you do the same partitions, but when you're placed, or without the function of the voices in the choir, and then when you put that together, the vibration is in your place. That's exactly right. It was the first time vibration is in your place. That's exactly right. It was the first time I felt in my place.

It was at zero, I didn't speak too loud. You understand? I understand so much. I sing loud, but like all sopranos, not louder. And when the conductor closes the fist, it stops. I liked that. It's like this power, it must always be in the right place. And to do it together.

You're not alone. You understand that even if you do your part alone, it won't be that. That's it. The power to be together. The power. And that everyone uses his vocal peculiarity and that they put it together. In a choir, I understood the strength of the group so much. And when there's one that's not going well, everyone will help him. Because the result will depend on the well-being of each one somewhere. You know, the voice is very connected to emotions too. So there's something in there.

For those of us who are up, down, if your place is up, well, I tell myself, do the good. Assume this position. Yes, because it comes with its weight. I measure everything in power. I come back to wine and I like the analogy with the voice because we can understand it even if we are not singers. And we can understand the intensity. But for me, analyzing a wine, it may mean nothing to anyone.

But I said earlier that I had a matrix. What is important is to be able to position it well. So if we as humans don't position ourselves well, we always look for our place. Yes, yes. So it changes everything when you feel or when you give yourself the right to be in your right place. It simplifies everything.

You don't measure yourself against anyone. No one looks alike. And you don't have to fight in there. And that's the key. It's to be have to fight for it. And that's the key. To be able to accept yourself slowly. And that's hard. We're very demanding. But I know.

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The card for living unlimited. Conditions apply to all benefits. Visit pcfinancial. Three, four. Do you read it? One, two, three, four. Here are the questions. Are you the mother you would have liked to have? What did you not receive from your parents that you missed?

How has your relationship with money evolved over time? And what is your greatest lesson in life? Oh my God, I'm so excited. I'll take that. So you take, are you the mother you would have liked to have? Oh yeah, you chose that one. I'm going to choose that one.

Am I the mother I would have liked to have? Yes. For several reasons, because I understood... I could say that. Me, my mom had me younger, and she had just lost her brother, who had a young, beautiful daughter, who was about 13 years old. So I was born in a whirlpool, let's say. I was supposed to be a little boy, but I was a girl. There were a lot of things that happened with her. Your mother was sure you were going to have a baby.

At first, yes, her brother was going to come back, if you want. Oh, in that sense, I understand. So, my mother, she went... Look at our parents, they couldn't give us what they didn't receive. Then it's a race to bring back life, that's how I see it. So, I think that my mother, she was an entrepreneur, she worked seven days a week, went to look for a social status.

That's what she did. Because even when she was young, I say it because it makes me laugh, she didn't even have a toilet in her house. She's my mother, she's not my grandmother. We're talking from afar. She had bigots of the outside, it didn't last long. But we're not talking about girls with a Caleb. She knew that.

Yes, yes. She knew that. Yes, yes. And my grandfather, at first he signed with an X. He was illiterate. So I really come from a family that worked hard. In fear of talking about it. And I have a wonderful family with all my respect. And on the other side, on my father's side,

I told him with great pride, my grandfather, he was gay. I think he was allowed to be gay. Not at all. So he went to get a strong woman who was my grandmother. She was 50 and went to get her driver's license. So I had two models. On one side, my grandfather, who was cheating on my grandmother,

who was still in love at 80, who was his love in his life. And on the other side, my grandparents, who managed to get divorced. My grandmother, who went to get her rights. My grandfather, who had a boy at the end of his life. Wow! So, my father certainly who had a child at the end of his life. Wow! So, my father certainly had some problems with his parents, my mother too. And they offered me what they could. And I had some problems with my mother, because my mother worked a lot.

I missed my mother in my childhood. But today, who is there to help me? It's my mother. The wheel turns, the wheel grows. Because she wanted to give you conditions she didn't have. She understood everything. So she made compromises, concessions that I, as a little child, I couldn't understand. I saw my lack, I didn't see my gain. Do you compare yourself to others?

Well, of course. I didn't have a business woman like my mother who worked seven days a week. It didn't exist at the time. I didn't know that. Then I arrived in Montreal, my father was in Granby. I had a different life than the others. Fortunately, today I'm happy about that. So, am I the mother I would have wanted to be?

Yes. Because I dreamt of a family, a family unit. Everything. But I had to do it. I got divorced. So I did it myself. It's my house. I wanted three children. I don't have a health problem that makes me unable to do it. But I have one with two babies. Do you understand? I have five.

So sometimes it's not the drawing you made of your life, but it brings you on the right track when you're aligned with your values. But you don't know that right away. You know that every day of your life. So I try to be the best mom. And it's the mom that I find... You know, a mother who listens, you ask my daughter, she'll say,

you don't listen to me all the time, mom. Do you understand? We're not perfect. But you, you give the best. After that, perception is something else. That's exactly it. And at the same time, I built my career because my dream was not to be a businesswoman. I never said that. I wanted to have a big family. I'm a big-time chef. When I cook, there are 12 of them. You can all come home.

It's my life. Imagine, me and my daughter. There's too much food. It comes with some miscalculation, maybe on certain things. So, where do I need to go back to? You know, elsewhere, because I have that in me. But where I'm proud is to have prioritized my daughter. I prioritize her, however, it's not because you love her that you don't have limits. So, yes, I'm a mom who listens, but I'm a firm mom.

And I think it's very reassuring to be loving, but the child needs to know something. Yes. To decide if he goes to me, and to decide if I want to cross that line, to know that there is a limit, and after that there may be a consequence if you cross. But yes. Can you tell me how I was raised and how... I think my dad was a... my mother, she great things, and today I thank her a lot because she takes care of me a lot with my daughter. Because I recreated what she had done, I had just known how to work. So if she hadn't helped me, I would probably be workaholic. And there are some who will say, but you work all the time, you have to be careful

with what you see and what happens. I have a lot of time, I am very well surrounded, I know how to surround myself and delegate. I have a lot of time. I am very well surrounded. I know how to surround myself and delegate. I don't do micromanagement, which allows me to have time to be a mom. I don't have 4,000 children either. I made decisions that give me a lot of time choices. But she, my mother and my father, my father told me, Jess, you have to be able to put limits in life.

Limits are reassuring. It's like you're a baby and I still put on clothes that are 0-3 months old when you're a year old. It won't work. So, you have to make the limits grow with you. With the size of your soul. Not all the time either. And when you're not able to know by heart your rules, it's because there are too many. Do you understand? It's like easy to tell me like that.

It's a guide, a guide. It doesn't work. You know, there are some who are always walking on eggs. Yes, there are families sometimes. Too much. You're an adult and you hear that, say boy... We do that anyway. Yes.

Because it's control. It's suffocating. That's a cage. So you know you're in a cage. But if we have a baby together and we're on the 15th floor and you tell me, Jess, I'm free in life, I want happiness, we won't put a barrier on the balcony. You're an idiot. That's it, that's a risk.

It's not being secure. Well, no. It's the opposite. Love is to be able to love enough to listen to the other, and to put beautiful candles to make it secure. I said it's the candles, so it listen to the other, and to put on beautiful earrings to make it safe. So, I said, it's the earrings, it has to be authentic, I have to feel it, I have to like it, I have to respect it and trust it.

It's my earrings. So, with my daughter, sometimes, like, we just sat down, she's 16, what do you think, it's a party. So, she wants to become a 70-year-old doctor, but she wants to do a party on Sunday. It can't work. So, it's certain that if she gets a beating, she won't say she's the coolest mom in the world.

Or the coolest dad. So, we're a family, even if we're divorced, we get along really well. We're a family, we're a team. So, my ex and I sat down with her, we consulted her, we wrote her arguments, and we made a family decision. And she stuck with it. She talked about consequences. It's not us who are going to give her a consequence. It's her. It's very different.

For example, if I tell you, listen, you have to do your homework before playing PlayStation. And I get her to do PlayStation before her homework. Well, there's a consequence. It's not me who gives her. She has to accept that. So the consequence is not a week of punishment and I'm going to give you a slap. You understand, it gives absolutely nothing. It's always in the positive that we motivate someone. So the consequence is that she spends 30 minutes on her phone, for example. It sounds stupid, but it doesn't help to lose 30 minutes of her phone.

So she's going to think about the order in which she did things. You got it. It's the glass, you put your three big rocks in the glass before putting the sand and the beer. Have you seen that video? No, I haven't seen that. It's a teacher who has a glass. If I fill my glass with sand, I can't put the three big rocks in after. But if in the glass I put three big rocks, then, I can't put the three big rocks in it anymore. But if I put three big rocks in the jar, the sand can fit.

It will grind the rocks? Yes. After that, I can put gravels and even a beer. The party is on the top. I always tell my daughter, have you made your three big rocks in your day? Rocks like RUSH. I find that in life, we put so much pressure on ourselves when we age. We have too much rock. Your list is that big.

Well, what makes us have nothing anymore because everything is... We do nothing, we procrastinate. Well yes. It's when everything is a priority, you go too far. It's too much. So when you stress, you don't sleep, you take a little pill to calm down. And you're sick. That's it.

So make three big rocks. I like that. Just big rocks. You like those social networks, right? I told you, I see things differently. I. I like that. You like those social media? I told you I see things differently. I didn't see that. I love it. I'll show you the teacher with the glass, the rocks. It's imagined,

the children understand. It's not me who says that. We sat down together and we decided something together. Now if she doesn't do it, it's on her. She's the one who's punished, not me. And sometimes I do the same with the phone, and she gives it to me, and she says,

frankly, was I worth it? No. But that's how we learn. That's how we learn. So she's always going to have that. She herself, she's going to change the things to do, but she's going to give herself priorities. That's what you want.

That's what you want, Anthony. I want her to do it. That she has her own power. Her own power. Now it's the power of money want her to do... She has her own power. Now it's the power of money. If we give her money and she spends it, you spend the money you didn't earn, you don't understand the value of money.

But that's... There are a lot of people who will say that, I didn't have that education. It's taken by someone else. Yes, and it has consequences on life. Sometimes it takes time. There you said something at the beginning of your answer to that question. You said, my mother worked a lot when I was young,

but today she is present. So, at the level of the relationship between you and your mother, have things changed over the years? Really. First, the acceptance of forgiveness. Because it's not easy. There's not one perfect parent. There are only a few on a spectrum of 0 to 10. There are things that are inconceivable. Well, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about what you can do.

I think we shouldn't forget, not to repeat, but we have to forgive. But you also put yourself in the context. Yes. And I work with a woman I love a lot, her name is Lynn Rousseau. And sometimes when I'm speechless, when I have trouble managing something, I take her as a mediator. And we're on FaceTime. Lynn is a life coach. She's cool. She does numerology, I don't know anything about that. And I'm very, very rational, even if I have a strong spiritual and heart side,

but it has to make sense for it to be logical. So sometimes I can be like, let's take my husband and me. My husband is an actor, my former husband, he's an actor who's a headhunter, but he's hungry. You know, when my daughter cries, I turn around,

but he also cries, you see? Like, I'm like, oh! You know, you understand, it's me who is, you know, I can't hear when people cry, it doesn't mean not to cry. It means I can't hear when people cry. It doesn't mean I don't cry. It means I can't hear your words, your arguments. That's how I drive. So, Lynn helps me accept who I am,

and accept the other, and find a place to meet to be like that. I wouldn't do it alone. I do it with my mother. We worked with Lynn. We have other tools. My daughter can call Lynn if I have limitations. But when you say you worked with Lynne and your mother,

are you the three together? Yes. Okay, it's really a mediation. Yes, on FaceTime, each one has our phone, she says what she thinks. Let's say we're cheating on you and me. We don't find any ground to agree, but our intention is to get along well,

not to be at war. You only have two choices. Do you want it to work or not? If your intention is that it works, but you lack tools. You have to put all the tools to build a house, your house will be crumpled. I don't have them, I'm not good at it.

Do you understand? So you talk to each other, and you get to a place to listen. That's going to fix a lot of things. Because it's true that sometimes we don't hear each other. But no. You know, we don't hear each other, we talk, and yet we're saying the same thing. Very often.

The intention is the same, but my God, the path to get there is not the same. That's it. You know, you take my daughter and her father. They speak the same language. But if you cry, I feel like you're controlling me or saying, «I'm crying because I was educated differently». I was educated in a tough way, in the right sense of the word. Jess, if you want something, you can come up with three solid arguments.

It's like if the other person had a special status because he was crying. You're not equal anymore. You have to be more careful. You understand, it doesn't mean not to cry and I don't have empathy. No, but I understand that your state is not... You have to be more careful because the person is more vulnerable. So I always say, if you have trouble, we will wait, breathe. It's okay to have trouble, that's not what I'm saying. However, when it's time to get to the negotiating table, I have to hear you. You're really a businesswoman.

The negotiating table. It's my birthplace. Yes, it's your way of seeing. But with your mother, you made a path together. Because it's such a difficult relationship. Of all relationships, parent-child, it's still the mother-daughter relationship that is the most dangerous. I see it as if life is a game, and we come to Earth.

It's in the action, a bit like pedaling, that you create energy. Everything is energy and frequencies in life. So your mother is there to be a mirror of you. And we are the continuity. It really looks like I have a class of masters. It makes me laugh today. Excuse me, I'm trying to make you laugh because I see it in the picture. No, but I love it. I love that. I love hearing that. I let you go.

She can't give me what she doesn't pursue, and it's a race to be reeled. So she gives me what she has, and I look at what I'm missing, and I don't respond to the needs. Like in business, with the capacities that I don't have all, my daughter will respond to another piece. So I think we're there to undo knots, and make it lighter. It's like a little barbwet.

Not a barbwet, a little barbwet. I say a little barbwet. A little barbwet. A little barbwet, a little barbwet. In any case, you push something all your life, and we still have rocks in it. So if you spill your pot, and I put it in a little barbwet,

it's going to be heavy for my life. Let's say you're my mother, and I take your rocks, and in addition to your rocks, I put mine, it's going to be a burden on my life. Let's say you're my mother, and I'm like, I'm taking your rocks, and in addition to your rocks, I'm taking mine, and my life is going to be a burden. So I think it's the opposite. I have to listen to your rocks and let them fall between us. That's the goal. It doesn't belong to me, it's you.

But if you don't take them out, that's a mother and a daughter, it's a bit of a mirror. And to be able to say, that doesn't belong to me, that comes from her education, we let go of these rocks. I have new rocks. She can help me. She says,

Jess, you work too much, you do this. And let go of my rocks and get lighter. That's a relationship, mother-daughter, father-daughter. I think that any good relationship is to be able to get lighter.

And what does it mean to have a good relationship with your mother? It doesn't mean that things are always going well and that we are always in agreement. Sometimes, I think that what changes is that it gives us freedom to live the life we want. I always say that. The beautiful life we live when we live the life we want. If we are always attached to trying to please our parents, that's often the case.

At one point, I asked myself two questions that I ask you too. They found tumors on my liver. I don't have cancer, but I thought I was going to fart. It's not good news, that's for sure. No, and it's not because of alcohol. It's just that I have masses. Everything is fine, but at the moment when we didn't know. I worked at 4, 15, 16 hours.

Nobody asked me that. I was busy. Do you think they asked me to work 16 hours? Never. It was me who put it in, who put it in, who could take it, but who took it, who took it. And at one point I said to myself, hey, I have a 2-year-old child, which was, you know, I did it in the clinic, my child. I really want that child. I'm trying to have a second child. Why do I work so hard? Who am I doing all this for?

And why? It took me days to answer that question. Who was it for? It wasn't for me. It wasn't for my clients. It was to make my parents proud. That was my answer. I wanted to show that I was capable.

Because we valued that a lot. You were able to be a mom, to have a professional life, That was my answer. I wanted to show that I was capable. Because we valued that a lot. You were able to be a mom, to have a professional life, to emancipate and do everything at the same time. While you were just adding this new role of mom. You understood everything. Wow!

You have to take it and you have to let it go. And why didn't I have an answer? Why not? That has always been my answer. I was saying to myself, because... So after that, it all changed. I said to myself, oh, that's where I created the world. It's the fact that you learn that your life could have been threatened. But my life, our lives, are all threatened at all times.

But when you learn that... I had a short time. When you learn that you have death threats, it's still a alarm call. Terrible. I said to myself, oh my God, I couldn't have children. I was like, oh my God. There were a lot of choices I made that weren't necessarily the best. I left everything. I left the ESLQ, I left my husband, I left everything.

Because of that? Yes. Because of that? Yes. Because of that, you say you couldn't have children because of that too? Yes, and after that, if the tumors were cancerous, I would go into a spiral, and when it's about faith, your time is counted. How did you get out of that doctor's appointment when you knew that? I hadn't learned to be vulnerable enough at that time. So I closed myself. I just told my father not to alarm the others, including my mother.

I didn't tell my husband. I didn't want to look weak. I couldn't offer... I couldn't see my role as a woman anymore. I couldn't be my role as a woman anymore, and I couldn't afford to offer children. And I had a big role in the SQ, I wanted them to replace me with a PC, as quickly as possible. That's how I thought. I didn't think of myself,

I thought of Lynn as a boatman, I thought of the others, which is the fault of my quality. And I retired to go to war against this business. It's like organizing your life without you. Yes, you understood everything. To go abroad. Yes. And my business model, which is an aerial business model,

I have no employees. In the sense that everything is immutable. So if I leave, everyone is autonomous and it runs as if I wasn't there. And that's what changed? Yes. It changed a lot of things in my life. So time is relative. But why did you separate yourself from that? Because a lot of things were happening. It's always a lot of things. We've been together for 13 years. Sometimes the foundations are not necessarily...

I wanted to aspire to greatness. Not that with my husband, I couldn't do that. But we had different needs, different goals. I wanted to travel the world. I thought about leaving with him and my daughter. You know, the world is my life. You know, my home. When he had a child, he was more stable.

It changed things, which made me feel more safe. I felt in a safe space. I felt in a too closed, suffocating space. You were going to get out of your cage. Yes, I felt in a golden cage. And it's not his fault, it's that our desires were different. And when I knew I had little time to live, I said to myself,

Let's go, Jess, we're going to weigh on the pedal and on the turbo piton. There, I lived the life I wanted, even if it had other impacts. I was lucky not to have cancer, so I didn't go through what some of my friends are going through right now, which is terrible. So I was lucky, and that's why I'm talking about it. Because you shouldn't go that far before you realize the gift you have. It's a gift to be alive. Life is beautiful. It's breathtaking if to be alive. Life is beautiful.

It's breathtaking if you look at it too big. You have to get attached to the little things. When you find yourself bored, go count the leaves. Life is abundant, there are so many things. And it's the little things that are part of the magic of life. I cling to that. And after that, I don't try to be someone for... Money, I want enough to not have talked about it.

And after that, I want to keep my fire. That's it. But it still took you a big shock. Oh yeah, I had a big shock. And now there's no danger for you to die? Yes. Oh yeah, you're... Well, yeah, it's there. It's always going to be there.

And you often go through tests? Yeah, I got out of the doctor yesterday. That doctor yesterday. I do what I have to do. And when you will pass your tests, I imagine the waiting period will still be anxiogenic? Not anymore. Because... no. My first love in my life, he fights between life and death. I have a meeting with him. He's an American, so he's very spiritual. He's at a point where he can decide, I say it like that, where to live.

It becomes almost a choice, or if it becomes a choice. There are things that need to be allowed to go, we need to lighten our soul. Do you do that with the end of life companionship? I've never done it. I accompany someone who comes to me. Do you do that for the end of life? I've never done it. I accompany someone who comes to me. It's going to be business, it's going to be... And I don't pretend to say that I have no answer.

But sometimes being able to ask questions that make us think about it, it can take us further. But you're comfortable in that area? Very comfortable. Yes. And then you said numerology. Yes. You're intriguing me. Yes.

Tell me. I'm a little pissed off. I'm trying to figure out what you mean. What does it bring you? It brings me nothing. In the sense that I think that some people have talents or gifts. A communication gift. You go get something and wow!

I see it in your questions. When you feel it, it must be like when I get a good wine or when Celine takes a good note, your gift is through communication. I feel it. You know, the last time I said, whoop! When we touch, you know, it speaks, wow! That's where you are. So you understand where I'm going.

So there are others, it's with numerology, there are others, it's with anything. So me with Lynn, who helped me understand my hypersensitivity, we'll say it can be other people, for me it's someone who helped me a lot. It allowed me to just accept myself, not to try to be like the others, to understand my... let's say I had a car, how do my pitons work?

You know, how does my engine work? What kind of gas does it feed me? How can I optimize this machine? It's not numerology for me. It doesn't mean anything. A 6 becomes a 9. I did my MBA, I did all my classes with numbers. Imagine. You're scary.

Because that's a challenge for you, the numbers. It's a number dyslexia. It's terrible. And I understood that. But on the other hand, it allows me to learn differently. I understand numbers, I just have the trouble of saying them. So, for me, it's not numerology in itself. I think it's a channel that she uses,

which leads me to hear things. She paints a portrait that is different from what I saw. So, it doesn't mean, a bit like a wine critic. If I like wine, it if all the wines I like don't like you, it guides you. But you know, it's really strange that we're talking about that, because last week I was in a place where there was someone offering to do numerology sessions. And I didn't go there. But I still asked myself questions, why would I go there? But it tickled me, you know, my rational side. Like me.

Because, you know, I talked sometimes with people, okay, you're 133 plus you, 136 plus 9 plus 12, and then it gives you that, and then you're A, okay. You know, but at the same time, it's sure that when it's personalized, there's an interest somewhere, not to learn how it works, but to hear the other person's language. It's like a GPS.

The GPS doesn't tell you where you want to go. It gives you a route. There are several routes. I only have two GPS. I don't have a sense of orientation. Sometimes I don't decide on a highway. I like to take the countryside roads. It's up to you. When I'm in a hurry to take the highway,

I don't like that. People who take you on a road trip like a GPS, you'll take the road you want. You shouldn't take it for cash, because sometimes GPS is wrong. I don't know anything about that. I'm going to be honest. I'm just wrong. I don't know anything about that. I'm going to be honest. I'm very logical, Cartesian.

But you let the other person express their language. That's what I like. That's one avenue. After that, I was with a behavioral psychologist. You don't have fun talking to a behavioral psychologist. She's not there to listen to you like a humanist. It's like, whoop! She deprograms you.

Then she reprograms you. So now you have work to do. Now you have a launch. Now you have a launch, then you have humility, and then you have work. So there are several channels or canals that exist. It's up to us to take the channel that leads us to the direction we want to go at the moment.

Because even if, let's say, I have all the talents in the world, and I'm a big medium, and I tell you, keep it, it's going to be your life. If you're not ready to hear it, you know, if I tell you, you know. It's going to pass by. That's it. So you have to be ready. You have to go find the right people to talk to,

and then you have to open up. Life lesson, that. You talked about it a little bit. Okay, but I'm still interested. How has your relationship with money evolved over time? That's a good question, and I'm still interested. How has your relationship with money evolved over time? That's a good question. And I find it funny because when I started making more money, I noticed that relationships were changing. Because I don't associate with... You know, I wonder where I'm going to put the numbers. I don't have a problem...

You don't have a taboo with money. Oh no, but I don't have a taboo with money. No, but I don't have a taboo in much. But with money, it's a big taboo. I realize that you have to be very delicate with money. And there are a lot of people who have limited thoughts with money. Who don't come from others, who come from their families. So I would tell you how it evolves.

It's that for me, I made my definition of the ant and the stag. Okay. You understand? I want to party like the stag. So, today I'm 45, I could never have that day. Can I maximize it? So the money I have from the bone, I have a wealth. For me, being rich is having time. That's it, wealth. So the money I have from the It's the ultimate. In the present moment, while I'm on fire, not while I'm going to be all... all crumpled up, you know?

Well, so knowing that, I need enough money to put it aside as if I were really going to live old. I'm reading the immortal book. If you want to be traumatized, read this. The person who will live 200 years is already born. Imagine yourself in your body for 200 years, and imagine your pension fund for 200 years. Excuse me, but it changes the balance.

Especially if you work 40 years in your life. There's no way. You know, to make you live 200 years. No, we agree with each other, that's not it. No, it's not, but still. Because they're not going to heal, they're going to prevent with artificial intelligence, and we're going to make phenomenal bonds. So you're reading this immortal. I'm traumatized.

My relationship with money is still changing. But the relationship with my body is changing. I need to prioritize it. Not to be the most beautiful. I'm getting out of an abdominal plasty. That's a big surgery. Yes, it's expensive. But I said to myself, look, I would have renovated my kitchen instead.

I'm much better off renovating myself. Why did you feel that need? I started having a sore shoulder. I lift weights. I have to be strong in life. Everything comes from the core of our foundation. So I had a capsule on my shoulders. I don't know if you've ever had that.

I've already had a capsule. It hurt my repose. It hurt all the time. I didn't know what it was. I remember when the physiotherapist told me, Capsulite, what are we talking about? And it lasts a long time. I'm so sorry you got that. For those who don't know, it was on my shoulder.

It comes like cement. It was very, very hard. I was crying non-stop. And I was very tired. So I said to myself, argh! So they're going to repair her. It means they're going to repair the other, and inevitably my butt and my knees. But I wouldn't be able to finish. So I went to see my surgeon's room and she said, well, you're a diastasis from having to sleep 16 years ago. It's not my daughter's fault. I did an all-in and I had 7 cm of my abs that were separated.

So yes, I can still live very well, but all the organs fall, you have a big belly, and then I don't have the strength. And you don't have abs in the end. So that's why you overuse your arms, your shoulders, you see that. And then, since I had a belly, I said to myself, as long as I have a belly, I'll eat. Then I gained weight.

Well, it's a spinning wheel. Because I have a relationship with... I like rounder than thinner. So I don't have the perspective of, Oh my God, I took some weight. I find myself much cuter, rounder, no problem with that. However, not being strong, I have a problem with that.

So I went to the surgery, which was scary, but it was with Stéphanie Olivier, who was extraordinary. He did my skin cancer here. So I said to myself, I'm holding out my hand. It makes sense to go to the heart for several years. So my relationship with money speaks a lot. I invested in myself. I didn't necessarily work for three months.

It takes a time to stop. It takes a time to introspect. And then to get back to the storks and ants, I want how much money does it take me? And it's hard to say. It's hard to say. There are experts in finance. It depends on how you want to live, what your lifestyle will be. I don't have big needs. Once I have a little bit of clothing,

I don't need to have a brand to be someone. If my place is paid, and I can maintain it, I don't need it. Once I have a little bit of clothing, I don't need a brand to be someone. If my place is paid, then I can maintain it, and my daughter is okay, I'm in business. So I calculated a amount, XYZ. I increased it a little thinking that I might come a little later. Because of your deadly livery? Yes! So my poor ant! So I called a financial advisor, she will help me restructure.

I will change my number to excite her. I will add 30 years to the salary. But on the other hand, I make the party like a cigarette with the money I have. Because it allows me, if I don't have a huge cushion, I have a cushion to be correct if it happens to me for a year or two or three. But after that, look, I had no intention of stopping working. But I quit. I could make a lot more money. I could work a lot more. I could not give in part-time and part-time.

That's what nourished me. But you decided to prioritize time. Yes. To money. Yes. Without putting money aside, prioritize time. That's it. You know, that's the starting point when I was talking about elephants earlier.

You want to do it and you do it. Because it's still choices. There are things you put aside if you make less money. And at the same time, your need was time. And you appreciate that. Oh my God. You know, the elephant is called Mali. She's 43 years old.

She was abused. I am proud of her. So, General Director of Elephant Care Relief, Ousri Langa. For real? Yes. Okay, but you weren't there before you went. No.

Okay, you have to tell us. Because in the past, I talked about it quickly, but I didn't even know that much. You counted it simply. So, yeah, go I talked about it earlier, but I don't even know it that much. You counted it simply. Go ahead, it's too interesting. I think the elephant is wisdom. I wanted to help the children, because when I was young, I went around the world with my ex-husband. We went to 25 countries in one year.

Then we returned to Nepal, which was an adoption home, an adoption school. I'll tell you the story, but you'll understand where I'm going. There was a little guy who didn't have parents. He had parents, but he wanted to learn. He spoke five languages. His name was Bal Krishna. OK? The little boy exists. And he went up 90 minutes, 90 minutes back to go to the school.

So one day, he was attacked by a tiger. Not funny. The tiger took him by the head. He tore off his head. It's a real story. And the boy could go back home. But what is he going to do? The parents are going to kill him. He was attacked by a tiger. The tiger took it by the head and tore off its skin. It's a true story. The little one could go back home, but what could he do?

Parents don't have money, they won't pay for the hospital. So, as long as he died, you know what he did? He went back to school. He put on a skin and went to school. So, there he comes, he's crawling all over the place. I wasn't there. The teacher told me that. It was a Quebecer who gave his time.

He was agitated, so the teacher gave him a slap in the face. It was running through his blood. So the teacher took his savings. He paid to repair the little boy, if you want. To get him treated. And that little boy was so grateful that he gave everything to his education. He was so brilliant that I wanted to pay for his university studies. But he didn't have a system to do education. He was so brilliant that I wanted to pay for his university studies, but he didn't have a system to do that. Because I realized that when you want, you can.

It started there. I was 25 years old. So he was always part of my life. I said to myself, if he did that, I can do more. Do you understand? Or not more than him, but more. It inspired you. I was looking for, I was thinking, after 10 years of business, if I succeed, I want to give back, I want a foundation. Then the 10 years come, 9 years of work. It's fun, I have extraordinary partners. So it's either that I start a new project or that I make my foundation. Then the elephant came because me, the children, it challenges me too much.

I have the pain of injustice and you can't save the world. or that I do my foundation. And then the elephant came because me, children, it challenges me too much. I have a lot of injustice and you can't save the world. But animals, it's softer. So I said, well, I'm going to Elephant Care Relief, not knowing where I was going. I'm gone, it takes time, it's almost three weeks. It's work, an elephant eats 300 kilos of leaves a day. It's a lot of money. They're sacred, but they're not.

They beat elephants. Let's say your grandmother gave you an elephant. An elephant is an poisoned gift. It's expensive. Yes, because you have to feed it. It's more expensive than a buglet. It takes up space too. It takes up space. It makes it stick. They don't have good conditions.

The only way to make an elephant profitable is to use it as a truck, so to get out very heavy things, or for excessive tourism. So knowing that, there is one Sri Lankan in Mori. He was an elephant rider. He was sitting on elephants and he said, it's not good to torture elephants. He left with his family the Elephant Care Relief. He can't buy the elephant. He can rent it. It costs $50 a day.

So, as a volunteer, I paid almost $8,000, and as soon as we took off the plane ticket, a good $5,000. When I knew how much it cost per day, I wondered where the money was going. Yeah, because if it costs $50 a day, you give 5000, there's too much in what it costs. It's not working in the calculation, maybe not good in the numerology, but I'll count. So now I have two choices. I'm frustrated and I rebel, or I put my hand on the door and I try to help. That's what I chose. So I start my foundation, I'm going to manage the money. You understand?

And then I'm going to have control over the transparency of the money. We'll see where it goes. So that's how I met the beautiful Mali, who is 43 years old and who will live 100 years. So she, I can't save her, but we can help an elephant at the same time, with the whole community of children, you know, who are around it, to have a better relationship with the human being in the end.

Because if we mistreat an elephant, we mistreat ourselves. So it's always the little steps that lead to a big step. Did you ever think about having a link with an elephant and Sri Lanka? Not at all. I didn't think I'd have my range of wine either. I didn't think I was in biomedical science. I didn't think that. But you decided that the elephants... you said, OK, I'll go, I'll do it, I'll go there.

Hey, listen, when you're in front of an elephant, you don't feel good about that. Well, are you scared? It's so big. Yes, and at the same time I was there, there was someone in Thailand who went to pee with an elephant that died. It's like if you pee with a horse, it will kick you. You can die, a hit of a trompe, it doesn't hurt. No, that's it, but it's...

I don't know how to describe it. It's cool. You know? You had a heart attack. Oh yes. He had to pull me out. I stopped crying, I didn't want to go. I had more than a heart attack. How do you have a heart attack with an elephant? Because she clearly had a heart attack. Oh, yes. I had to be pulled out. I stopped crying. I didn't want to go. I had more than a heart attack.

How do you have a heart attack with an elephant? Because she clearly had a heart attack with you. Oh, we tripped. I'm abundant. I brought mangoes and bananas. I took the thing off the mango. Everyone laughs at me, I eat a tree trunk. It's the mother side of me. But what I thought was beautiful was that I always come back with the word simplicity. She, because in the day we work hard, you have to go get the 300 kilos of leaves to help her.

So there's a little muggle, his name was Janaka, I called him Jonathan. He's in Gogoun, he's putting something up with his machete, tuk tuk tuk. You know, at my age, I was there, he falls, he's dead. So he cuts all the tree, we have to get this out. So basically, they do a dismantling job. So it helps everyone. And we take it to Mali, who's going to eat tonight. And in the day, it's hot, so she goes in the water.

And then she gets washed, and then everyone will say, well, that's it, it's touristy. But yes, but you have to make money somewhere. She's not mistreated, we'll just say. It's not everyone everyone is around her. But you're sitting on the edge of the most beautiful river I've ever seen in my life. Time stops. And she checks you out.

She looks at you. And there's a connection. I don't know how to tell you. For me, time stopped. I had so much fun there, I didn't lie to myself. Because you would be strong during the day, in the afternoon you relax when it's hot, and in the evening you sleep.

You have the feeling... You have to accomplish. And over time, while you were there, you felt a relationship develop. With her, but with all the people in the village, because helping brings help. So there is a synergy. First, there are extraordinary people,

like in the volunteers, because I was with the Green Lions. I didn't do just that. There were a lot of veterinarians, young doctors. They have other things to do, but it's in their nature. It's more than a job. They come to help. I found it so beautiful. And we don't need to do that.

We can help others, we can help our loved ones, we can help. When we can give a little something, why not do it? Sometimes when we help like that, it opens the door to something else. Because when we feel it inside, we want to relive it. Exactly, but you shouldn't fall into the trap of, because I have friends in the media who say, «Ah, we talk about it, you know, we…» It's like a way of… How did they say that?

«Ah, I do volunteer work.» «Hey, I know what people think.» We talk about it. It's like a way of... How did he say that? I do volunteer work. I know what people think. I could start another project. I'm in my life. If you're not, good for you. We can't measure ourselves. I'm in... But you felt something that suits you.

That nourished me. I told you earlier, I'm like a car. I'm my gas. Yes, I need a business project, yes, I need to be very familiar, yes, I have a great musician lover, I need to be fed in life, and that's what feeds me. I couldn't have the children I couldn't have, you know, but I can help in other ways. So the elephant, in the afternoon, after that we will give English classes. I'm rotten, I at French, you know. But there are children here. So the elephant becomes a subject.

Children practice English. So let's say for my daughter, instead of being a world-class teacher, my dream would be that, look, you have children, we pay for them for a certain amount of time. It's direct. You know it's 50 bucks a day. 50 bucks a month for us, it's not really 25 your husband, 25 you. Your child can write to a child from Sri Lanka.

They practice their English on WhatsApp, it's cheap. So you know it's the right child. It's not a drawing made by... I received drawings, the little one, 12 years ago. I received a drawing from Vision Mondiale, which was 3 years old. It's clear that I can't have a relationship with my child. So, it's simple, it's easy. The subject is the elephant.

And that's what I'd like. So, in simplicity, we help an elephant at the same time. And maybe at some point, we'll have 10. You're the first person to tell me that. I don't know. I mean, we can go on your Instagram account, you've been posted on videos, you've been made videos, you're seen interacting, so if you're interested,

you have to go on your account. It's funny because Pascal Biroubi sent me this. Sri Lanka is the safest destination for women who travel alone. I wouldn't have thought that. There you go. It's just down the line. It's not in Africa. It's really, you have India, you have Sri Lanka, which is an island. Yes, there are Muslims, but it was very...

without religion, in Buddhism, where I was, I never felt so good. I still have 70 pays to my assets, all my life. Safe, in security, as a woman of equal rights, in what I felt in the little I was there for the moment. But it's important that you say it, because it could be a destination, if we travel alone, that we put aside, because it seems that we do not know Sri Lanka. We know less about culture.

Wonderful. But I ate curry and rice. So you have to like curry and rice. It's the condition. Wonderful. But I ate curry and rice. So you have to like curry and rice. Even your pineapple bread. It's funny, I have little children, I don't know what to talk about. So I say, what's your favorite meal? Curry and rice. So I get up and you're teasing me. So there's a little guy, he says, yes, but madam,

he says, you can have coconut milk, you can have different vegetables. But it's still a curry and rice. For us, but not for him. I ate this morning. I found it so beautiful. He saw the variety. The variety. Red level, Jessica. You give me three.

We have four, you give me three and we will choose only one of those levels. Just one. At what point in your life did you have to be brave? Have you already reached the end of your physical or psychological limits? What is your relationship with death? How brave were you? Have you already reached your physical or psychological limits? What is your relationship with death? Oh my God! Which one do you like? I love them all.

No, I'll let you go. Your relationship with death? Yes, my relationship with death, when I was little, I was obsessed with death. Because, here it's LGBT and R2D2, I don't know why, that's the subject, transgenders and all that, at school. Me, in my time, they were talking about suicide. Hmm, it was the subject. But I had never even thought about that in my life.

So it created me, I who reflected, as I should have been a philosopher, the relationship with death. So it comes with why we live. I never thought of committing suicide. But I thought to myself, who wants to take life away? It's such a gift. When I gave life, because life is death,

I thought to myself, am I ready to take... First of all, I was the one who guides this child. I didn't create him. There's a lot more power than me who created this. Would I come to Earth just for one day? The answer is yes. To feel, taste, touch, laugh... It takes me a day to come, a day to leave.

Yes. Even just for one day. So my relationship with death is journalistic, or even at the nanosecond. I think that death is life. And that we think we come back, like the Buddhists, that we have several lives, or that we are just one. We have several lives in one life. We are always told that we don't change. It's absolutely wrong.

Have you ever seen your car not change? In Rouilly. Your house hasn't changed? It changes. So how could we not change? It's not possible. It's a falsehood. Don't you think we're still the same person in our birth? It's a house that has four bedrooms, it will stay four bedrooms until you break the walls. So I'm able to change sex. OK, I understand.

So what I mean is that we can be attached to our essence, our foundation, certainly, but I think that everything changes and changes very quickly. It scares us. So we like to say that we don't change to give ourselves an excuse not to change. But you've experienced an event that brought you to change. Exactly. I understood it like that. That's it. You've experienced it in full swing.

Yes, exactly. So, knowing that I think we change. But you've experienced it, so you speak in knowledge of cause. Yes. So I changed my life completely. And we don't need to have a shock at that level to change. You speak in knowledge of cause. Yes. So I changed my life completely. And we don't need to have a shock at that level to change. So my relationship with death is, hey, can we live? You understand?

What does it mean to live? It means to laugh, to make love. It means, but not at any cost. You see, it's been three years since I've been a batter. Sometimes it's right to wait to to do some cleaning, to find something to do. I found my love of youth, by the way. You just... you're in love. Yes.

How does it feel? It's recent, it's beautiful. Because when you wait, you don't have any questions. And I'm not saying that sometimes you can have it young. Like me, I fell, I had luck in my career. Not everyone starts their career at this age. You understand? There are others. You can do everything, but not at the same time, as Maugrame Arad said.

There are others who are lucky in love, are less lucky professionally. There are others who are not lucky physically. Well, in short, I had, you know, my ideal was to stay with my husband. We get along very well, but what I counted earlier to make sure we have two different lives today, but we get along very well. I wanted to preserve the relationship, but I had difficulty, since for me being a woman,

I wanted to have children, have a family, to frame myself in a loving situation, so to live my life. Who said we had to be in a relationship? You have to be with yourself. You have to be good with yourself. Sometimes it's preconceived ideas, you know. It's education. It's a little mimicry.

Exactly. So I learned to be good alone, to be self-sufficient. The money relationship, we talked about it earlier. As long as we don't need to talk about it, it means it's good. I don't miss it. And my relationship with death is to live in the sense where, hey, can I... Ah, the beautiful life we live, when we live the life we want,

can I live my life? To the fullest. The elephant, it's maybe just me that it lights up, you know? And it's not important. But it's on fire. It's on fire. But you've found your first love. Yes, I found two. Life is funny.

By going to see my first real man, who is fighting a severe cancer. We are always close. I had two very remarkable lovers in my life. My first man, 18 to 20, and my husband. And then, the third. You understand? It seems like we have three in our lives. Firework, the one who goes...

and then turns off. The candle, which is long, calm, which burns slowly. And the mirror, the one that makes you work on yourself. I've never heard of that. Yes, it's Jay Selly who talks about it, and I think it's good. It's beautiful. There you found your mirror. Yes. Yes, but I waited for it, and I like it. It's beautiful. You found your mirror. Yes. I waited for it, and you want a good one?

It's The Déclancheur, my first little 16-year-old love. He had a big commercial success, he hid millions. We went to eat together. He has four children, he's a man. Wow! My heart stopped when I saw him. But he's a hypocrite. He has a wife, he has four children. Wow! Le coeur m'a arrêté quand je l'ai vu. Mais il est hypothéqué. Il a une femme, il a quatre enfants. C'est ça son choix de vie. C'est correct.

Mais ça m'a allumé. Je me suis dit, oh, je suis donc bien fière de lui. Pas parce qu'il a un grand, oui, parce qu'il a un succès, mais ses choix de vie, sa famille. Ça, ça m'a ouvert mon feu. Ça, c'est juste avant les fêtes. OK, c'est fou, hein? Ça, c'est quand j'avais 16 ans.

Il était supposed de venir au bal avec moi. Puis cet homme-là, je vais toujours l'aimer. I'm going to light my fire. That's just before the holidays. That's crazy, huh? That's when I was 16. He was supposed to come to the ball with me. And I'm always going to love this man. He's beautiful as a heart. But I will never disturb the family he has. That's what you mean by hypothetical. It's not available.

Like a house. There are houses you want, but they're there. I'm not going to go there. You understand? I respect that. But you felt the fire. Yes, but he loves his family and all that. He won't be able to do anything because the values are in the right place.

But that opened my fire. It's been three years. I had a brief meeting with a French talented chef. But I knew he had a family, he didn't have children. So there was no possibility for several reasons, but he showed me that a good, true, trustworthy man existed. I needed that piece. So it's been three years that I'm pretty off, I would say. And then everyone was telling me, Jess, you know, what's going on?

Because I had a love penalty from a man who had lost his his wife, I adored his family, his children. You know, you have a lot of pieces in your life that come for a reason. It made me sad, and I noticed that I had made others sad. So you know, you live a lesson that makes others live, and then you come back empty-handed. I don't know if people follow me, it's deep what I'm saying, but I had this need to do the cleaning in my life, and to resource myself.

And it was okay if I stayed single. Come, his name is Marco. That was just before my husband, between the two of us. I met him at the Jazz Festival. I was at Bistrot Veille-Fromage, he was a musician. He had a band, he comes from Boston. Then we had a fight. And then finally I said to myself,

I put my devolution on a Quebecois, it didn't work. But he, you know, it meant that I gave up my studies, I gave up a lot of things. So when I didn't go forward after that summer of my 20 years, he stayed three years alone. I never knew him. From 26 to 29, there was no one in his life. It's crazy, huh? Because he had you.

He was in love. Yeah. He had decided, he had an American Italian, that we were going to get married, have children. So, finally, he made his life again. He was so serious. Yes, yes. At 9, in Saint-Valentin, he came back to Montreal. I was doing my MBA.

He told me, I was in Montreal, I was happy, I was a single woman. I said, that's it, let's go back to the machine. He arrives with a blonde. I loved him enough to wish him happiness. And his blonde, who didn't marry, finally said, don't leave me for her. And nine years later, at the same time, it was still Valentine's Day,

there was a show just before Christmas that I went to, and I didn't go see it. And from there, we were in the same place, at the same time. You know, when everything is easy. So it's 18 years. It's 25 years. 25 years, so 9 years. But it's...

25 years. And it's the same fire? Oh my God, the fire is there, but not like a firework. As you know someone, you've seen them evolve, you have respect. It's not complicated. Yes, he's a musician, he's in full swing. And I'm super business. For him, $200, it's going to be...

Do you understand? It's beautiful. We complement each other. It's very recent. Does it do you good? What really does me good is to see that it's okay. He was okay to be single too. Do you understand? It's okay.

So I think the goal of life is to evolve. You don't have pressure. That's it, it's to live. There are no formulas. As long as you're good, and you do good. As long as you're good, and you do good. So whether you're accompanied or not accompanied, you have to accompany yourself, you're good, you do good. So whether you're accompanied or not, you have to accompany yourself,

or you'll die alone anyway. So in the end, it's fun to be able to share your life without limiting yourself, without losing your wings. So it's all recent. Yes! It's a date and it's recent. Yes, you have both. It's beautiful, huh?

Oh wow! But you, how long has it been? How many years? 35 years. Hey, how do we keep the fire going for 35 years? Well, it's not always a fire. But it's me, at the same time. It's beautiful, huh? It's not what I was always looking for.

It's complicity. Yeah. It's admiration. It's respect. It's recognition. It's a common story. You know, it's a lot of things and that's what I think is burning somewhere. Completely.

It's this recognition, you know, and having children, and now we have a little son too. So you have all these stories around you. And to see the other evolve too. You know, that's a mirror. You understand because you see yourself evolve. And you see that you don't evolve all the time in the same way. You see that you don't have the same problems. You see that life... Even if you live together, life doesn't help you in the same way.

Sometimes... It's true. Sometimes we have things that we will live personally and it hurts more. When we think about our family, it doesn't touch you in the same way. What happens to the other family. But you live that through your relationship too. That's why I think it's easy for a couple to move away. Really. How do you do to find yourself?

I'm going to ask you questions, I want to learn. I want to learn. Well, finding yourself, I want to say that there is still an effort to do. Because the easiest way is to live it alone. I tend to live my business alone. Because you don't want to disturb the other person's routine. There are his business. I'm able to manage that, but that's the danger. Because you have to disturb the other person's routine, there are things to do, you know. And I'm able to manage that, but that's the danger.

Because you have to share. For me, a couple is like two circles, and there's a common environment. You have two individuals. Sometimes your circle in the middle, your intersection is much bigger, and sometimes the intersection is more rapid. But the idea is not that the circles are divided and there is no intersection at all.

I like that. But I think we have to accept that because you have couples, sometimes in a couple there is one who is more fused and wants that there is hardly any circle, he just wants the intersection. But you have to accept that with the movements of life, this intersection takes different forms. It changes, you know when you just have a child, it's like you only have the intersection, I would say. But at the same time, it's challenging and sometimes it's the opposite that will happen. So I think you have to be aware of that and to say at certain times, we have less things between the two because our lives pull us each on our side and we have to accept it.

Because that's where I find that we put too much pressure on ourselves. that our lives are pulling us each to our side, and we have to accept it. Because that's where I find that we put too much pressure on ourselves. And I find that there are couples too, and I'm not doing it morally, because there's no solution. You know, I mean, there's no solution that applies to everyone. And sometimes there's no solution. But there are some for whom, as soon as it gets worse, that panic is there, or there are some who are going to leave.

They will say, okay, well, that there, or there are some who will leave. They will say, OK, well, that's it, I have time to go. I find that finding a partner who has the same perception of the distance that we are able to take, I find that it is still an important basis. And the two choose each other. In fact, we take care of the intersection in two. It's a daily choice.

It's a daily choice. And there are periods of life, finally, it's been a long time since we've taken care of each other. Because we were all drawn to our side by our respective lives. Because you still have lives. And for me, it's so important to have my life too. Take care of yourself, of your side, to get back in the intersection. Yes, that's it. That's all the time.

That's the basis. That's like the quiet place somewhere. This place where you relax and feel good. I think that's fundamental within a couple. This quiet place. I see it. It's easy. When I see it, it's easier to have action and control over the games. Because sometimes we let ourselves be submerged by an emotion, and we make a decision that's a little too spontaneous.

Or, conversely, we don't make a decision and we get involved in something that crushes us, which is not better. No, that's it. And if you look at the other, you take your distance and you're full of reproaches. You have to try to understand what attracts the other in the opposite direction. What is it that he lives with? What is going on? And often it doesn't concern us. I'm sure we're not the cause of that. It's just that there is a consequence to what the other lives.

Because when you live long together, you live a lot of things together. It's a life together. I lived more in a relationship than alone, whereas I wasn't... I wasn't someone who wanted to be in a relationship in life. That's interesting. You see, that's why I'm able to have a little intersection. Okay, you're comfortable in there. I'm very confident, even if at times...

And after that, it looks like I know it's going to come back. I'm very confident, even if at times... And after that, it seems like I know it will come back. You understand? It's like a beating heart. It's not always the same rhythm. It's not always the same frequency. It's not always the same thing that will activate your heart either. I like that. But that's the evolution of life too.

You understand? That's how it is. And there are some who like small frequencies, and there are others others are very intense. The more you go up, the more you go down. So you need a partner who can navigate with you. And when you know yourself, you understand the other person. Yeah, that's it. Be careful with yourself.

And you take it from the other person. It's love. Yes. It's beautiful. The thing is, when I look at you go, looks like... You know how it's going to end. Yes, but I don't want to know. I don't want you to tell me. Sometimes it's like...

It's okay if it ends the same way. You know, like me, I'm more... I'm more someone who loves loneliness. Yeah. But that, it's always been respected. Ah. In the couple, always... Okay, she needs to...

Her bubble. I need my bubble. I need to be in silence. I need to think in silence. I don't care. But... But it's done in two ways. You understand? You just have to name it, and as you say, the intention.

Here's what the intention is. And I've never liked Jessica's strategy. I liked it when someone says something to make you react. You know, it becomes... No, no, it's manipulation. That's it, you have to be careful. That doesn't exist. I would have really had trouble with that.

Things to prove something you haven't proved. Control power, I'm not capable of that. So the intersection will be that. Oh my God, I like that, I'm going to draw it soon. It's mathematical. Thank you, it's fun to talk to me. Niveau, hero, it's companion. You see. It's fun to talk to me. Niveau, you're a hero. You see, you're going to give me four.

No, it's not that. You're going to answer one, two, three, four. I love the game of four. I'm so into it. Are you comfortable with nudity? Do you prefer seducing or seducing yourself? What would you have liked to know about sexuality at 20 years old? Are you comfortable in the sphere of intimacy? I like all the questions. Which one would I like to answer?

I think I'll go with sexuality at 20 years old. What would you like to know, even today? First of all, I didn't just have a partner. I had a few from a few different countries. So this question is interesting, I'll tell you why. A bit like when we laughed when I was younger, we said the Arnois buffet instead of the Chinese buffet. It's not that I had a lot of candidates, it's that I liked diversity and seeing how my life could be impacted if I was with one man or another. You had that curiosity.

Of course, it's like an Australian versus someone who comes from Asia or versus... Your life is not the same. And you traveled a lot. We saw you too, quickly in your life, the cultural differences. Yes, but what I saw in connection with sexuality is the education behind sexuality. Limiting thoughts are very present. There is a lot of the Catholic history of Jesus Marie Joseph. Your wife is the Holy Virgin.

She has to be beautiful, clean. You don't have to be too much of a pig with your wife. And Marie Madeleine. We come from a family that was a daughter of joy. Yes. But I saw that a lot in those who had very Catholic education. So when you loved your wife, and the woman too, you didn't have to sit down too much.

It wasn't an emancipated sexuality. No. I'm talking about when I was 20. My first awareness of sexuality, and I put it back in the context that I have two parents who were open, that sexuality is very holy, it's very correct. My father even taught sexuality in high school, he was a history teacher. So he was able to put words, he was already able to put words. Yes, so for me it was not taboo at all, it was to emancipate as a woman, and a little bit know his pitons. What turns you on? Well, what turns you, to know its pitons. What lights you up?

Well, what lights you up and how pitons work. Piton of the other, but piton. Well, a bit like a sports car. So you understood that when you were young. I understood that because I had education. So what would I have liked to know about sexuality at 20 years old? Well, I had it. Thank you.

You understand? And that's why I have no taboo to talk about sexuality to the younger people, and to men and women our age. It's never too late to learn. You have a chat, I farted, Google it. You know, taboo subjects like the point G. You know, we talk a lot about minopause, Google it, andropause. It goes both ways.

Prostate, you're not gay if you touch that. Automatically, you know, a lot of taboo. We have a lot of pythonophones, we can play with you. You know, in a relationship, you're at ease in that sphere. Yes, but I'm very simple. Again, simplicity. I think there is a great, you know, in your intersection, there is the fantasy intersection.

And a fantasy is made to be a fantasy. And that's where it distinguishes us from animals. I don't know, I don't think that animals have an imagination. To be able to maintain our imagination, it's an incredible strength. If I watch a Rambo movie, I don't want to go out with a bazooka, three grenades and a tank. I watched a movie, it entertained me. A movie about sexuality can entertain you.

We are what we consume. So we have to choose something that stimulates us, but not something... That brings you to areas that don't talk to you. Exactly. You don't have to force yourself. You have to keep respect. So my point for sexuality is, first, learn to know yourself. Do you have fun? Are you able to have orgasms?

You won't have them all the time. You don't have them all the time with yourself. Different centers of masturbation and making love with someone. Do you like that with several partners? As long as all partners like it. The consent. The contract. Well, yes. And we talk a lot about infidelity in the world, especially in Europe. It's very... you know, when I was a buyer, the French producers,

you know, it was me, the lucky one, who was cruising, you know? It wasn't them. You know, they're so macho. But I said to myself, well, you know, you have a woman, it was completely normal for her to come. And if I had said to the left, I think they would have done it, and it was accepted. And it's not a judgment, it's a judgment of value. It's right to have values. I said to myself, hey, you understand, but it's accepted.

You were amazed by all that. I was amazed by all that. I saw a lot of things. And they asked me, what is it to be a woman in a man's world? It's just being a human being. And someone who tells me, I love it, but I'm not telling you my life. You do what you want with whoever you want. You understand? No, but you know, the things like, respect me, call me a show, call me a...

No. At some point, you're a human being. What you want to be remembered, go with the world. My point is to keep it simple, because children today say, I'm asexual, I'm pan, I'm... It gets complicated. We want to simplify life by putting labels. Is that the right way to do it? When I was young, as a teenager, as a young adult, we talked about the globalization of markets,

the opening of the world, we took out all the boxes. We made everyone jump the boxes. And I find that we put back the boxes, we become all the time... I know we have to talk about minorities, but it's like putting're putting ourselves in a minority. That's right. And so we learned that it's about getting out of it and studying, living together. That's right. And now I also feel like we're... I don't want to be in a box.

Me neither. And you have the right to do everything. Well yes. All the boxes you want to knock, knock. Well yes. But I'm not explaining my causes. If we're interested in two, we can develop a relationship. But right away, I don't need to be called

I, she, it, I, you, you, you, you, you. At some point, you are what you are. There's a transition between men and women. Look, it's simple. There's a word for it. Human. Yes. You'll love the human you want. You want two humans, you'll have two humans when they serve.

The goal is to be holy, holy, and it makes sense, again, in sexuality. I did a lot of interviews, reports with transsexuals. Yes. It's been a long time. It's always something that... Because for me, we are elsewhere. We are not in just LGBT. Because the dysphoria of gender, imagine, you're not in the right body.

That's why sometimes I find that all the put these letters on the same level of equality. It comes to me somewhere. Because there are people who have issues at every minute of their lives not to feel in the right place. Imagine the psychological, psychological, physical suffering. And when they decide to move forward, it's also announcing it. When you keep it for years,

and then at some point you say it, sometimes it's accepted, sometimes it's not. And after that, you have all the change, the amount of surgery, when they move forward with the surgeries, the risks. And that, you see, I find that over the last few years, as much as there has been an opening that has manifested more and more, and there, it's like the methods are on the same level of equality, I have the impression that they have lost or changed the trans. I love you.

But everywhere? And it really does something to me because this group comes to me deeply. I heard testimonies. And I remember at one point, at my show, there was a show on trans young people, I think it was with me. And we had the little Liam, who is a young Vietnamese, whose parents adopted him in Vietnam. And when Liam went to kindergarten, he told his teacher, I have a big secret. And she said, what's your secret?

He said, at home, I'm a girl, and at school, I'm a boy. Five years old. Imagine. The teacher met the parents parents and she said, here is the secret of Liam. And then the mother said, but it's true that Liam is at home, he puts on the little Barbie shoes, he puts on the little tutu, and it's true, you know. And the educator and the school really took it seriously. And they said, do you want that in the first year,

it comes like a girl, like what inhabits it, and that's what happened? And I remember I received it twice at the show, at different times in his life. And you say, you can't go against that. And I tell myself, as a society, you have to be listening to that to facilitate all the life changes.

The life changes, the surgeries, it's also a life change, it's an affirmation. And it comes to me. That's why when we touch this group and we put them in the box, it's an incredible challenge in life. I agree. I would go even further in the sense that it's a challenge, religion is a challenge, culture is a challenge. Hence the fact that we are human, with several causes.

Yes, several. But here in Quebec, we are in acceptance, we accept. It's a quality, but at the same time, we shouldn't regret it. There are certain basic laws that we shouldn't fall into. The other time, I was with my friend in a cruise ship. We each have our children, and there are elderly people, women, and they make a wink at us. She said, you and your partner.

I said, which partner to talk to you about? I have absolutely nothing against gay and lesbian. For me, we are human beings. I don't mind that. But conversely, it's not enough. It's not because I was with my girl friend that I'm gay. So the others took it for Raki. Yes, and they thought it was cool because they were all mixed up in there.

So I look at the two ladies, who were maybe in the background, telling that. I didn't think about it because they are older. But I look at them, I say, it's my friend. I don't know about it because they're not old anymore. But I looked at them and said, it's my turn. I don't know how to justify myself. So she made me a wink again. By saying yes, yes, yes. And then I felt the other way around.

Can we also... You know, like... Too much is not enough at some point. We go from an extreme left to an extreme right, like for the 20s. I have nothing against natural wines, but people get their nose in it, they say it smells like the farm, so it's natural, so it's eco-friendly.

But when the wine is... And I'm not saying that all natural wines are not good. It's a running gag, but very often, there's a flaw there. I'm not sure I have good experiences. It was trendy because it was easy to understand and it was in an ideology. So for sexuality, it's waves.

And then we're really in an extreme left or an extreme right. So that's why I want to reuse a word. That's what I would have liked to know for sexuality, to be well in your body. No matter what you do, you don't need to share it with everyone. You are a human. As much as the human you love or the humans you love know it, it's all that matters. That's what I want to say.

And you live it fully. And you live it healthily and fully. Very good answer. That's what I want to say. The last question, Jessica, the question of the opto network. Do you think I'm an optometrist? Yes, the opto network is partners. It's cool.

They are 80 in Quebec. They are franchisees who have grouped together. I need glasses. I'm Optoraiso. It's a great gang. When we met them, because here, our partners, you who are involved, it's important, we share the same values. It's beautiful.

And it's really an exchange. It's really, you know, we know them, they give their comments. They are not saying we want to invite them, but when they look at them, well, they... It's fun to feel that it's like giving, giving. We're in the same business. So I love our partners. So the question is, if you look at the whole of your career,

what are you most proud of? Oh, that's beautiful. Of the whole? I would say that it's my greatest pride, and that's the word I used throughout, it's simplicity. It's to be able to be happy with little. It doesn't mean you can't have a lot.

But you could live with little. So knowing that, everything is a choice. Yes, it takes away a lot of pressure. That's great. I wish you could live your life as you hear it, but that's what you're already doing. But I felt throughout the whole time how much you question yourself. All the time. How much you question yourself, but you find your ways of solving yourself. When I surround myself well. I think that's the key, or I'm the proudest.

I wouldn't be there alone. I wouldn't be there without my parents, I wouldn't be here without my friends. I wouldn't be here. Look at how I learned from this exchange today. And I hope that others will be able to get out of it. So, simplicity is to be able to feed yourself little, but to create great. And to share. Because you really shared a lot of things with us. Thank you for your... I've never had this... All along, I was excited. I'm a child, and I think I keep

his childhood joy. That's so... Because it comes with wonder. Yes, wonder. There's a book that I really liked a lot, by Frédéric Lenoir, which is The Power of Joy. I read it. It's so good.

I learned what joy is with the power of joy. I thought joy was a day's joy. I saw it as something punctual. Joy is a fire. Exactly. It's something that needs to be... that's in it, that's more archaic than I thought. And when it turns off, we realize it. And when we're aware of what it is, we say, OK, how do I turn this back on?

We have a part of... we are able to turn it back on, but we have to be aware of it. It's true, and it's a choice. It's a choice too. Not faking it, for example. No. No. But it's a choice. Sometimes it went out and I turned it back on because I saw that my essence was changing. I didn't recognize myself anymore. It was all the time my joy that left me.

So Frédéric helped me so much. It's such a good book. The power of joy. And the alchemist, which is a timeless book by Paolo Coelho. The alchemist telling you, but we transmute ourselves. You know that the metal heated to different degrees makes you remove impurities,

and you become better. So I think that we, in life, we are constantly, you know, the minute the cockatoo will explode, that's the goal, and that's what makes us change, and that makes us change. And we let go... And we pur makes us change. And we let go.

And we purify ourselves. Yes, we let go and cry at the same time. And when we're older, first of all, we're no longer... You understand, we're light, we don't want to. But we're purer. Well, thank you, Jessica. What a beautiful meeting. Thank you very much.

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