Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette - #104 Pierre Houde | Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette

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Starting point is 00:04:12 Today, we receive a man, I think his voice, if you listen to it without the image, his voice is familiar to us. His voice is as reassuring. As soon as he arrived in the studio, everyone said, He is. He arrived. I'm talking about Pierre Oud. Pierre has been a sports commentator for decades already. Among others, hockey, Formula 1, the Olympics. He's been part of the Quebec landscape for years. And every time I hear interviews

Starting point is 00:04:50 about him, I love his sensitivity, how dedicated he is to his job. And I knew his brother Paul, he was someone I knew more than Pierre, but he's that Pierre, every time I saw him, we had discussions that were rich and deep. And I also wanted to hear him talk about his brother Paul, who left us so quickly. So he accepted the invitation. I can't wait to see, I can't wait for him to open his game. I can't wait to get to know him more, but I have the impression that we will meet a man of heart. So, Pierre-Aude, your turn. What role does emotional intimacy play in your relationship with your girlfriend?

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Starting point is 00:06:22 are available everywhere in Quebec and on Randolph.ca. The guest in front of me, I've seen him on TV for a long time, we met. It seems that I also know this voice a lot. Earlier he was in the studio and it's funny, I was with our two technicians and right away we said, OK, Pierre is in the building, we recognize his voice. I'm really happy to receive him. Hello Pierre-Oude. Hello Marie-Claude, how are you?

Starting point is 00:06:47 I'm very happy that we can finally find a time to talk face to face. Yes, it looks like I should talk about hockey at the moment. No! At the end of Formula 1. No, I still have other interests in life. I know, but it's because this voice is so associated with sports. Your voice, Pierre, is like a legend. It's something to have a voice that we recognize and associate with something.

Starting point is 00:07:14 Do you think this voice has helped you in your career? It certainly has, but it's funny. I'm 36 years old, and I've been doing this job for 50 years now. And I think it's the first time I realize it. I realize that my voice betrays me in a way when I'm somewhere. It's not my face, like with many other people who have a public life. I realize that when I open my mouth, there are many people who turn around. And it's my daughter who makes me notice it,

Starting point is 00:07:46 it's my blonde who makes me notice it, it's my agent Sylvain Simard who makes me notice it. And sometimes people tell me, well, don't speak too loud because your voice is loud. We recognize it right away. And I always tell the same story, since you're opening the door. We're going to be in a tuitions. Yes, we are in a tuitions, yes, certainly.

Starting point is 00:08:04 Because you're opening the door. We're going to talk. Yes, we will talk. Because you're opening the door. The first time I was really aware of my voice was when I was going to do the grocery shopping. There was a mother with her little boy in the basket. I was talking on the phone. She passed me by and she comes back. She says, I think you are Pierre-Houd. I say yes. So I say hello.

Starting point is 00:08:31 She says, it's my little boy who recognized you. Who recognized your voice. So I approach and realize that he is invisible. The little boy. And he recognized my voice. And it touched touched me. At times, I wanted to talk to him, and so on. And I let them go, to do their grocery shopping.

Starting point is 00:08:51 And a little later, I caught up with them. I said, would you like me to describe a goal? And the sequence? You would be the star. So I told him that in a very low voice. I didn't want to alert the whole supermarket. And I described to him an extraordinary goal, where he is the star and it ends with a B. He was so happy.

Starting point is 00:09:12 It inspired me to write a column on the RDS website right after. I wrote his first name, You have the most beautiful eyes in the world. That day, I understood that there was something magical in what we were doing. At another moment, I read the homework. There is a criticism of a Quebec book, and it is an essayist who wrote an essay on his life. And the passage that was cited in the homework was that she remembered the memories of the little distant things she had, that her mother was throwing her

Starting point is 00:09:48 until she fell asleep, and when she was in the background, she heard Pieroud's voice, who was writing the hockey. And it's written like that in the book. So, these are, first of all, extremely touching things, we don't realize that we have such an impact, but when you receive them in this way, it's so... It makes you humble, it makes you very sensitive, I guess, and you realize that after a number of years, you are part of the sound universe of people.

Starting point is 00:10:18 It's a daily life. There is something comforting when you recognize a voice too. Well, people often tell me that too. I say, well, it's like macaroni with cheese, Chinese patty. So I accept that with great pleasure, with humility. Yes, but it's important, you know. Yes, we recognize your face. And there are people who recognize the face, but the voice, it's not something we'll remember.

Starting point is 00:10:40 We recognize both, but your voice, it's something familiar, comforting, and it's not everyone who has a voice that can do what you do with what you take. It's important to have a voice that we recognize and to have a voice that is also melodious in the ear. Well, I also have to remember that I am first and foremost a child of the radio and not a child of the radio and not a child of the TV. So my years of voice, it was...

Starting point is 00:11:08 Hello, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the CNGL, it's 5.7. You forced a voice to be a voice. It was Jo Dassin and therefore some moments, Yves Duteil, followed by the great orchestra. You see, I betrayed my age, Marie-Claude. But that was... I loved my age, Marie-Claude. But that was... I loved my radio years. I made a few quotes, but my most beautiful ones were certainly CMGL,

Starting point is 00:11:31 because for those who don't know, it's Rhythm FM today. And I was one of the bosses in the 80s. So I was both a boss and an announcer. And Paul was there too. So it was a bit of a family story, both of us. So I carry a VQ before the VQ of hockey descriptors. You have to believe that Providence gave me this tool of work that I try to use as best I can. Yes, because you know that some people try to do radio and the voice doesn't work. So that's it. So as soon as you entered here in the building, it made Pierre feel good.

Starting point is 00:12:07 I appreciate it. I announce my arrival. Exactly. It's hard to camouflage a voice. As you said, we can put on a cap or camouflage ourselves with smoke glasses, but the voice is not. I lived it. Paul and I were fascinated by René, by Richard, Richard Gardon, Lémon Lebrun, Pierre Dufault, and finally Lionel Duval. But the voices, especially René and Richard, and I was happy to work with them, especially René at the end of his career. Richard, we became very good friends until his death.

Starting point is 00:12:39 So I also experienced that, on the other side of the spectrum. I experienced it, I was so fascinated by them. It's as if they had nourished our passion. Are you ready to open your game, Pierre? Yes, I hope I will open it appropriately. No pressure either. I'm a little stressed, suddenly. I see you with all these cards.

Starting point is 00:12:59 Yes, you don't have to answer all these cards. I just want to reassure you because I would have all your life. It would be a biography. But you because I would have all your life. It would be a biography. But you'll see. We have green questions. I'll tell you how many. You're not going to answer all of these. These are general questions. Yellow questions are more specific questions. Because this game, even if there are questions that come from game to game, these questions are mixed for you.

Starting point is 00:13:24 You're going to start with your game, then it's your story. The red boxes are more personal. The pink level, don't worry, because the title could worry you. It's the eros and compagnie level. Oh, we're comfortable with that. Perfect, so, questions of sensual and sexual order. I never know when I put this level on the table what's going to happen. But, to my great surprise, it's going super well and we learn a lot of things.

Starting point is 00:13:50 It's magnificent discussions around the Rosses and Companiers. The last question is a very sweet question, which puts the plane in this big interview. It's the question of the opto-network that I'm going to ask you at the end. And I'm piloting, too. You see, listen. I'm going to drop the plane. I was recognized for my very soft landing, Marie-Claude, at the time.

Starting point is 00:14:10 I'm going to do one today. I see all the time, every project or every thing, I always see what the track is that I need to take off and land. Sometimes on TV, it goes fast, I had 4 guests, you have 44 minutes, no editing,

Starting point is 00:14:25 and sometimes there were big questions and I said to myself, no, I can't ask that. I have 8 minutes left, I don't have a landing pad. So I think a lot, I'm not a pilot anymore, but I think a lot like that. But it's a way of thinking, yes. Yes, that's it, I think it's a good way to think. You have a joker, Pierre, because since I ask sub-questions, sometimes you can say, you know what, I'll go with another. It's rare that we use it, but I tell you, you can use it without any problem.

Starting point is 00:14:49 Okay, I try not to use it because I give up. I trust you absolutely. Well, I like that. So Pierre, you throw them on the table. At the open level, you'll give me five. Okay. I'll read you the five questions. One, two, three, four and five.

Starting point is 00:15:06 Perfect. I'll read them to you. You'll choose one of them, you'll have to answer, and then I'll choose one. So you'll answer two of these questions. And I'll put them back. Yes, I'll do that for you later if you want to do it at home. On what character traits did you have to work? To be good with me, I must... With myself?

Starting point is 00:15:27 Yes, with yourself. How do you react to authority? Where do you feel you have your means in full possession? And what are you afraid of? I'm comfortable with the five, it's hard to choose. But which one do you choose? I have to choose one? Yes, you choose one. To be good with myself. I'm going to use this one because it's a context that brings me back to my last hours with Richard Garneau.

Starting point is 00:15:53 I think it will give you a good answer. Perfect. I'm going to choose this one to be good with myself. It was at the London Olympics. Richard had extended his career, and in 2010 and 2012, in Vancouver and in London, because we were the masters of the Olympic Games, Radio-Canada had taken a break because we had obtained the rights, RDS had the wonderful idea of sending a message to Richard Garneau

Starting point is 00:16:24 and to know if Richard would be interested in coming to Vancouver and London. He might have thought he would say no, given that he was getting older and all that, and he didn't know much about the universe, and he had accepted with pleasure. So in 2010, and because I am a little more experienced in the Olympic Games at RDS, we were entrusted with the opening and closing ceremonies. We entrusted Richard with different files, and I was writing the hockey, of course, including the famous goal of Sidney Crosby.

Starting point is 00:16:53 So we knew each other very well already. My first games with Radio Canada went back to 1984, so I coached Garnot and his team. But then we really developed a complicity, I would say, in Vancouver. Garnot says, not only will I help him, but I am ready to be one of the analysts. I am ready to leave to Pierre the description of athleticism. And as you know, it was his great, great strong castle. He was very generous and and modest to say,

Starting point is 00:17:25 I'm ready to give it all to Pierre, but I'm ready to be on his side with Bruni Surin, Jean-Paul Baer, I'm ready to be part of the Quatuor to write the competitions in the Grand Stade. So, it touched me a lot first, and secondly, we lived a little behind the Grand Stade, we were in the Docklands, on one side of the Thames. In front of us was Canary Wharf, modern London and the London of business. And over time, I came to take care of Richard. I felt that I had to manage the agenda a little bit, because he was getting older.

Starting point is 00:18:04 He was obviously a little tired every day. And so, from a complicity, we became friends. And there were absolutely extraordinary moments that we lived together, including that one late in the evening, after the last competition at the Grand Stade. I said, Richard, you're not going to bed right away,

Starting point is 00:18:24 you're going to bed stressed. We took a glass of white wine, sat outside, on the edge of the Thames, and we looked at the Canary Wharf and we talked about life. Ah, Pierre, I like that, that's what I prefer. And every night, we had that moment. And I went around to get to the question on the map. No, but it's interesting, I like everything you say. So I get there, and then we really developed an extraordinary friendship, a friendship where we opened our hearts to each other. He told me about his life, his anxieties, his misfortunes, his joys,

Starting point is 00:18:55 his relationship with his Belarusian partner from the last few years. I myself went through some pretty difficult moments on a personal level, and we opened up. And at one point, he said, I have a complaint to make, but I want to break it right away. He said, you are way too severe towards yourself. I look at you working next to me. Every little mistake, every little mistake, it upsets you, it upsets you. And I said, yes, but you're you get upset, you get upset. And I said, yes, but you're a little responsible, Garnot, because Paul and I, we've always seen in you

Starting point is 00:19:33 excellence, perfection, both in form and in the background. And then he told me, you're going to shut up and you're going to let me speak. So, he made an extraordinary testimony for me for 10 or 15 minutes. You have to let go. Even the garros and the cavaliers of this world let go. Even we made mistakes and we only laugh at them. We live with them, we accept them. And it's probably the most beautiful lesson in life in general, because it's not just for work, but it's probably the most beautiful lesson I've received in the last 10, 15 years, which has dictated a lot for the rest of my life.

Starting point is 00:20:15 I realized at that moment that not only am I extremely demanding towards myself for work, but at all levels as well. Are you doing the for the others? No, but that's the problem. I'm really ready to be tolerant for the others, except that there are nuances in all of this. For example, when we have to perform, I mean, it's not the right term, but when we have to deliver a performance live, I expect that all the others in the team have the same level of desire for excellence and performance.

Starting point is 00:20:45 But I only come to be more tolerant towards others than towards myself. And I realize that it brought me other declines that were heavy in my life. A kind of thirst for control, not a disease, but always a need to control, to understand, to grasp. And I realized that it was becoming very heavy for me and for my entourage. And so Richard's lesson is... It brings rigidity. Exactly. And yet I have a very human, funny, extroverted side. It's a kind of contrast with which I've lived a great part of my life,

Starting point is 00:21:20 until Richard says, Pierre, and to convince me of what he was telling me, he said, listen, if we're both intimate, we can have a glass of wine, the view is magnificent, he said, I'll tell you one last thing before we go to bed. I'll give you the witness and you deserve it. Every time I tell this story, it brings me tears. Why does it bring you tears? Because it's such a strong moment. It's Richard Garneau.

Starting point is 00:21:59 You know, there are consensualities. You can have them through trophies. You can have them through renewal of contracts. There are some new things, like trophies, renewing contracts, proposals for new missions or new adventures, but there are also things that are far from the public, far from recognition. But it's the little stone too. I think that's where I realized that I had become an adult. The question why I chose it, and I realize it too,

Starting point is 00:22:26 it brings me to accept the beautiful compliments you gave me at the beginning. To tell me that my voice is comforting, that my voice brings, how to say, brings happiness, brings stability, references. We like familiarity too. That's it.

Starting point is 00:22:41 So it probably taught me, that evening, it probably taught me to decline all that too, and to accept where I am. I'm not perfect, I'm not 100% yet. Richard, if you hear me somewhere, I'm not there yet, but I'll come back, I promise you. He showed you the way. Yes. And when he died, Marie-Claude, I'll always remember, it was a Sunday morning, when I learned it because we left the plane together in London, we were next to a cabin, and then Sadous was waiting for him, and then my family was waiting for me, and I told Richard, well, we'll meet in Sochi, it was better to count, because I'm going to be in Sochi.

Starting point is 00:23:20 And unfortunately he left us. That day, it's probably one of the saddest days of my life. It's funny, huh? A sadness and an emotion, I should say, uncontrollable. I cried all day. I had just lost a friend, a mentor, a guide. I had just lost... Sometimes I try to imagine if he had survived for several more years,

Starting point is 00:23:45 how often would we have seen each other, talked to each other, trusted each other? Maybe never, because it was maybe the context of London that lent itself to it. But really, Richard's great lesson still serves me a lot today. As I was saying, there are many setbacks. And to come to him with his mentor, late in his life, and to have this wisdom to talk to you. He couldn't have said it either. Of course he could have.

Starting point is 00:24:14 He loved you. He wanted to tell you, I see things, I will tell you what I see in you. He had confidence, but he saw further than you, for you. Yes, absolutely. And I also realized that there was probably a very, very big similarity in his being. When I say being, it's because I don't want to talk only about values, because there was also a lot of anxiety in Richard Garneau's life. There is anxiety in the life of... In all of his lives.

Starting point is 00:24:44 Yes, in many in our lives. But his was similar to mine. And his values, for example, he had an extraordinary caricature humor that resembled that of Hood. There wasn't just Paul who was a great caricaturist by imitation and all that. I've always been, me too. And so we had lots of And so, I... He left you an important legacy.

Starting point is 00:25:25 He left me a very important legacy. Yes. Very important. So, I'm a little bit more flexible with myself. Do you feel closer to yourself, to what you are deeply from your birth? Yes, absolutely. Although three times a week on average, sometimes more, the professional life we lead creates a trap, leads us out of ourselves.

Starting point is 00:25:54 Because the specificity of what I do is quite special, quite unique. We communicate, but we communicate something that we don't control. We don't build anything, we don't create anything. We don't create lyrics, we don't create music. We're not on stage to deliver a text. So we describe a sports event,

Starting point is 00:26:18 and so we're an intermediary that necessarily tends to lead us to self-abasement, to a rigidity that is sometimes a little dangerous. We have to learn, and I think I have learned it over the past 36 years of hockey descriptions. And after my experiences with Richard, we learn to let go of our personality through the rigor that this style of communication imposes on us. But it develops over time, this way of doing it. But you have to have confidence in yourself. And when you don't have it completely, you tend to be very rigid. My current blonde, Lynn, whom I met seven years ago, she saw me at the car dealership she works for. She saw me pass by and she had the impression that I was so flat, rigid,

Starting point is 00:27:09 that I was flat like the moon, that I was an accountant or an business man. And it's true that I was often there before a flight to Dorval. And then after that, she realizes that I am today. I can't wait to answer your questions. Yes, yes, I can't wait to get there too. Yes, I'm also excited to be here. Today she said, well, let's see, it's Pierre-Houd. Anyway, I know I'm pulling myself together a bit. We like that.

Starting point is 00:27:34 I'm going to ask you the question, how do you react to authority? Oh, that's another duality. I am extremely respectful of authority. I might want to answer authority in the broad sense, Marie-Claude. So, authority of organigram, or authority of law, of government. I am extremely obedient, in general, and even grateful. But on the other hand, I have a somewhat rebellious side towards authority, when I believe that authority is going in the wrong direction.

Starting point is 00:28:19 I often have little hesitation to express my opinions, to raise my voice with bosses, with superiors in the production hierarchy, directors, and so on. I have, so maybe it's not the answer you wanted, but I don't double the personality towards authority. Extremely. But that means there is a sense of justice in what I hear. Justice is my daily food, sometimes excessive. So if it's... I would like to settle all the faults of the planet, even on the steering wheel. I don't have a rage on the steering wheel, but I would like to settle all the faults as soon as I see one. I would like to settle all the criminals, all the...

Starting point is 00:29:03 And you go to the front. If it's in your work, what I understand is that you go to the front. You're going to talk to the person who can change something. Yes, but I'll always try to do it in an intimate way. Because on TV, we're in a group, and it's easy, and we're live. So it's easy to press the button and let go of its rage, or not its rage, but not anger, but frustration, disappointment, and so on. So I try to do it in a calm, civilized way, and so on.

Starting point is 00:29:33 But I have a lot of difficulty in softening myself at that level. I am, if we were, let's say, when we talk about great political principles, great life principles, I am for individual freedoms at 1000% within a very rigid recognition of life principles in society. I don't know if I'm clear, but I have this duality. It's just like the ballots, we can do what we want, but in fact, if we get to the way of life, we must not waste. Exactly. And that's probably why I would have been a pitiful politician.

Starting point is 00:30:14 I often talked about it with Mario, and I never really understood why he left politics. One day we'll be on the same boat. We'll talk about it. But we'll talk about football more than politics. Probably. I think Mario doesn't remember very much who was a politician. I'll give you an example.

Starting point is 00:30:36 I respect the pedestrian signage in the corner of a street, even if there's no car. It's on one side or the other. For me, these are basic principles. Whether to be treated as old, or to be slapped, I respect, I find that it is extremely important.

Starting point is 00:30:56 That said, you described it very well. Inside the frame, I am the opposite. I like to have my complete freedom. And so, it would be a bad politician, because a politician must constantly ponder in it and must pass from one value to another, depending on the political mood, depending on the mood of the day, depending on the survey, depending on the trend, I would be extremely bad as a politician, although I love politics, I love public life, I eat it, I love to follow it, read it.

Starting point is 00:31:30 Could you comment on politics? My professional fantasy is to host an election night on TV. Oh yeah! That's my professional fantasy. Well, there's something that's similar because you start what's going on in front of you. And when I have the opportunity, from time to time, at RDS, I host the big reports of the day of transactions, the autonomous players. I am the happiest when I am surrounded by a big team and I send the roundel. I send the roundel to my teams. Maybe you should ask yourself when you say it.

Starting point is 00:32:08 Because it doesn't mean we're going to think of you if you don't say it. That's very clear. But I have to be realistic too. I'm getting older. I don't have a professional attachment with a broadcaster who hosts election parties. But I admit it. That's why I call it a professional fantasy. Yes, but that's okay. It can happen. It's not an unattainable dream. It's not an unattainable fantasy. But at the same time,

Starting point is 00:32:34 I often say that if I had been a bad politician, I would have been a bad player in the political game. But you would have had your personality to do that. I don't know if that would have been enough. but I would have had a huge desire to serve, to change things. Not in all sectors, but in transport. I would like to be a Minister of Transport. Why? Because I am a pilot of planes, because I have always been fascinated by buses when I was 5 years old,

Starting point is 00:33:00 and I still have my perception box of old buses at home, because because I asked one at the STM when they changed. I didn't do fleets, but fleets accepted by my parents at the age of 7 or 8. I took the bus to Duvernay, I went to the subway. I was one of the first to see Expo 67 because I cheated. I went down to the station Île-Saint-Hélène a few months before the opening of the Expo. And I realized that the subway was closed for workers. So I went out, I went to the station, I saw the Minirail, I saw the biosphere, I was 9 years old.

Starting point is 00:33:33 Well yes. So, and I don't know, I have a fascination for transport. Do you know my taste for automobile? Yes, but what would you do as Minister of Transport? What would you want? Do you have an Minister of Transport? What would you want? Do you have an hour to spare? Let's say the first thing. If they told you you were Minister of Transport, you'd start tomorrow morning. I think I would solve many contradictory issues. For me, the future of life in society is public transport.

Starting point is 00:34:02 I have nothing against bikes, I have nothing against cars, I have a bike and I have a car. But when I leave my apartment, when I go to the city, what I enjoy the most is that I have the metro station, I won't tell you which one, I won't tell you where I live, but I have the metro station at the foot of my condo. And I love it. But I find that we have such a desolate structure, we are so delayed. And I understand all the issues, I also understand the municipal reality in relation to the provincial. For Quebec, it's quite different, by the way.

Starting point is 00:34:35 It comes a lot from Quebec, right, Mme Claude? So I can understand that it's a big... Sometimes, Mme Guilbeault, I have sympathy for her because I find that she has a minister who is scary. But for me, it would really be my first concern, it would be, let's get to the 21st century, you travel like me, you make the big cities, we see the structures of the American cities, the cities of Europe.

Starting point is 00:35:00 I haven't done much in Asia, but Asia even brought me to another level. And I say, we can't back down on demography. No. We can't back down on the demographic explosion. And we will always have to move. And for me, public transport is also about being realistic with winter. Yes. Until the opposite happens.

Starting point is 00:35:23 And with winter, with the society that is advancing in age, with... So, I know there have been considerable efforts that have been made. But that would be your battle horse. Yes, it would probably be my first battle horse. Are you ready to move on to the yellow level? Let's go. So you hold them, and then you will give me four, and we will do the same thing as before. I will read them to you. You'll choose one and I'll choose one.

Starting point is 00:35:46 OK? What was the price to pay for absences caused by work? I won't answer that one. I'm never absent. When your daughter was young, yes. In your life? No, I didn't even have a maternity leave. Michel came into the world... Wait, wait, wait, we'll have to get back to the point. What made you vulnerable? What didn't you receive from your family and what did you miss?

Starting point is 00:36:14 We're starting to get more personal. What is the biggest challenge you've had to overcome in your life? Oh, we're going to move on to another step. Yes, at the level of the young. Well, listen, if I answer the price of paying for absences, it's more of a story than an ad, because through the structure of my work, Michel came to the world, and one day later,

Starting point is 00:36:39 I was in Quebec to write a hockey match. He came home, I was gone for 10 days with the Canadian abroad. So you see, I missed, by my fault and my very big fault, I missed a hockey match out of 3,500 in my life. So I never got rid of my job. So it's maybe not good. You got rid of your family.

Starting point is 00:36:58 Perfect. What makes you vulnerable? Okay, I can go there. What made you leave my family? I can answer that with all due respect for my family. Yes, you can go. What did you do for your family? I'm from this generation. I'm from this generation where we didn't tell children,

Starting point is 00:37:15 I love you. Not because we didn't love each other. I had two parents loving each other as much as possible. And I learned, and I think that if Paul was here with us at the table, and my sister Johanne, I think that the two of us would say that we were extremely happy to have had very complementary parents, but really complementary, to the point where we wonder if it could be a couple today. But the bottom line was the love they had for their children. But they were never able to say it. But that was the generation of Baby Bombers.

Starting point is 00:37:51 And at what point in your life did you realize that you missed it? More about the time than the time. Because when you're a child and a teenager, you don't realize it. Then you get married for the first time, and then you have your jobs. Then you have a natural detachment that makes you completely forget it. I was between the two of us. I had Paul as my elder, who was huge in the house, and I had my sister, because the youngest was my sister Joanne.

Starting point is 00:38:31 And so, the NS was really a factor with which I had difficulty composing. And Paul himself, sometimes, I think, would have wished not to be the eldest. He put a lot of pressure on himself as a family member. What did it impose on you? What did Paul impose on you without wanting to? Well, Paul imposed a lot. First, we shared the same room. We had a house that wasn't big enough for three rooms, for the three children. So listen, a bed side by side, Paul and Pierre, it was... There wasn't enough space in the room. How old were you? Three years.

Starting point is 00:39:06 Three years and two surnames on five, anyway. Listen, that's why we were so mixed up all our lives. I still remember Paul so often. So Paul, let's say, it's because he's still there. It's two parts. Paul often brought me a lot of frustration because I thought he had no place for me. But often, probably, it was a perception of my part, not reality.

Starting point is 00:39:30 But Paul also brought me a lot of extremely important landmarks. Often, I was admiring what he was doing, what made him passionate. And often, I realized that I had the same passion. That's why sometimes we say we're like twins separated by three years. But it was sometimes very, very, very tight. There wasn't enough space for the two of us. And so sometimes it created tensions. We have two very different personalities.

Starting point is 00:40:03 Paul was rather introverted, he was rather... In his head? In his head, in his bubble. I get it right away. And then, well, my sister was a little bit at the edge of all this because she didn't even... She had her room. She had her privilege. She had her privilege.

Starting point is 00:40:17 But at the same time, the two boys in the room, they must have advantages too. Yes. There were big fights. And we built our career there, without realizing it. As soon as we got our little radio transistors as a gift, we listened to AM, we listened to CKAC, then CJMS, then CKVL, then CKLM. We were fascinated by the radio at night. Sometimes we pretended to sleep, and at midnight we opened our little radio.

Starting point is 00:40:42 Hey, there's an animator at night. It was George Wellen. Yes, certainly. George Wellen's voice. And then we'd say, wow, there's a night radio live. It's fascinating. So we shaped our career a little bit without realizing it. And so why did we do all this? It's because my mother was the family's motorist.

Starting point is 00:41:01 It's my mother. Aline. And Aline was an extreme motorist. She was sensitive, very rigid, and also very focused on education, writing, and conjugation. My father was an artist. father worked to earn a living. He was in the grocery store of a large chain of quincailleries, but it wasn't his passion. But it brought a good salary. And my mother was back to work when we were very young.

Starting point is 00:41:36 So she was a pioneer, my mother, not bad. So we had a income of the two that allowed us the small house of on the side of the valley, in Duvernay. But the two of us... So my father was the saxophone and the clarinet. Ok, he was an artist. Yes, and several saw him live from the universe, during different interventions. But he played at home, you heard that music too? The farthest memory is my father playing the saxophone. My memory is auditory, or clarinet. So it was a house where there was joy somewhere?

Starting point is 00:42:09 Oh yes, there was a lot of joy, but there was the authority of Aline who brought things back to order, which we found a little bit... we found a little bit frustrating sometimes, but it was his personality. And if you sum it all up, it's wonderful because we were often recognized for the quality of French. I like to say that for the love of French, I think I do my job in the most beautiful language in the world, including that of hockey, but that my father opened our wings to us on the entire profound side of the profession of artist,

Starting point is 00:42:48 because we are artists. My father was a lover of politics, of history. He didn't travel much, but he traveled a lot through the documentaries, through the National Geographic. And my father made sure that we sure that all the family dinners were spoken. Instead of saying, shut up, because we come from that time,

Starting point is 00:43:09 instead of saying, don't talk while eating, my father would say, you talk. And tonight we talk about this, we talk about that. And so, from all that, we shaped our personality. I say we, because it's a lot of Paul, and my sister too, who is less known, but Paul and I, we have a lot of passion for the Olympic Games and aviation, and all that was fed by my father, and all that was well framed by Aline. So I know I'm almost answering your question in reverse, because I'm telling everything I've had as a child. But I think sometimes... But hearing the word...

Starting point is 00:43:46 You're not the first to talk about it on the microphone, to hear these words, I love you. When we haven't heard them, at some point, it catches us in life. It catches us. And there are times when I had a friction, there is one time, among other things, when I had a friction with my father.

Starting point is 00:44:01 I challenged him, obviously a little bit of wine helps. I challenged him by saying, you never told me, tell me. And then I realized that I had upset him. He didn't even realize it, basically. And then the next day I said, hey, listen, I understand all this.

Starting point is 00:44:19 And in the last few years of his life, where we were taking care of it, because Aline had left a few years ago, in the last few years of his life, when we were taking care of him, because Aline had left a few years ago, in the last few years of his life, we took care of him a lot. He was still at the family home, he refused to leave the house. We used to tell ourselves that much more often. But we always used to tell ourselves that with tweezers, you know, because I don't know, it's a cursed mentality, parents of baby boomers, it was like, we, we had no right to say it.

Starting point is 00:44:46 It was a sign of weakness, of vulnerability. So, there you go. But I don't think I'm alone, as you say. No, but tell me, when you have a daughter, Michelle, are you able to tell her, I love you? I flood her. I flood her, even to a point where... or even my blonde, actually. Lynn sometimes says, well, you don't have to say it 12 times in the two hours, in the two hours of the afternoon.

Starting point is 00:45:14 It's true. But I always answer, but every time I say it, I think about it. But at the same time, there's something... Sometimes we exorcise what we haven't received. It's also a way to echo what you haven't had. Exactly. And again, I want you to understand very well, I only have happiness from my family environment. I've been spoiled, we've really been spoiled, probably because we didn't have enough money to be wasted. Paul and I, and my sister, we spent the press on the rue Champlain in Duvernay for years.

Starting point is 00:45:52 Paul and Aline, Paul Seigneur and Aline told us, we have a little money for your education, for you to dress, for you to feed, we're going to do a trip every year, but the pleasures of life, you will contribute. If it's family pleasures, and for your personal pleasures, you will pay for them. So I've had a income since I was six. And you contributed to the... but that's good! We even bought new tires to go to Cape Cod. Not for the months! We even bought a blower, not for the months, with our savings.

Starting point is 00:46:24 Wow! But at the same time, it's a family savings. I'm not saying that, but Joanne too, if my sister is listening. No, I mean, it's a family savings, and you know, how to see how it costs, how much you have to work, how much it costs, you know. So, I'm going to ask you this question. What is the biggest challenge you've had to overcome in your life? Wow, the biggest challenge you have had to overcome in your life? Wow, the biggest challenge? Probably going through the last six or seven years.

Starting point is 00:46:54 And I won't give details on certain things, if you allow me. I won't give details on my divorce. Because... It's yours. because Michel and, anyway, this union has had a great success. It's Michel, who is a wonderful girl, who is a wonderful young woman. That we know thanks to social networks too. Yes, a lot. And then she's starting to be quite visible in traditional media. But you have to say it anyway, she's a doctor, right?

Starting point is 00:47:28 A public health specialist doctor. She chose the least sexed of specializations or specialties because she believes in it since she started working in medicine. So maybe the future minister of health. Yes, but she has become an indispensable one too. Yes, and that's why I want to stick to that. The union I had with her mother gave me an exceptional young woman, who is a daughter, first and foremost, perfect.

Starting point is 00:48:05 I often say that I am the luckiest father on Earth. But I also know that for society, for people, she will make the difference as she can, but she wants to make the difference and she will. But it was extremely difficult on a personal level, extremely difficult, extremely heavy to carry. And in that crowd came the death of my father. In May, two years ago, I was in Las Vegas for hockey. And everything seemed to be going well for Paul Seigneur, to the point where I lowered my guards I went to see the Beatles' show,

Starting point is 00:48:47 The Sunset, Love. And when I went out, Paul Junior called me to tell me that he was giving his last breath. And that really shook me up, it really struck me because, first, we didn't see him coming, my father, we had started to say, I love you. And at the same time, we always loved each other, you know.

Starting point is 00:49:12 Yes, I understand, but it's the name. Yes, but I felt so far away, Marie-Claude. But it's far too, it's five hours by plane. But you don't have the control, you can't get in your car immediately. My first thought, I said, Paul, I'm taking a flight, I'll come back, but why would you do that? He's dead. You have a match to write tomorrow, RDS can't replace you. It's true. So I spent the whole night. I went to get a bottle of white wine at the boutique downstairs.

Starting point is 00:49:40 My window was on the tracks of the Las Vegas airport. And I watched the planes, planes and the airport all night. I slept for a few hours, I went to write the match. When I got back on the plane, I knocked, I lowered my guards, and then I exploded. And thank God, the staff at the bar, they become friends because we have them on repeat every two years. They took me on their shoulders. Mark, my partner, Mark Denis, was my neighbor. And that was really an instantaneous pain, an instant explosion of emotions. And then, a year later, Paul's departure comes, which is completely different.

Starting point is 00:50:26 It's a daily pain, but there's no violence. But it's a daily grief, it's a daily grief. It's these little details that I miss, little moments, because we didn't go out together. I mean, physically, we had so many different lives, so opposed, and so many different and opposed personalities. But we liked each other a lot, you know? But we didn't tell each other. We didn't tell each other between brothers and sisters either. So, that was extremely difficult.

Starting point is 00:50:59 Then the... the bomb came, well, a moment when a bomb set in on all of this, and I'm a little bit of a believer. But that's correct. And then I said to myself, well, Aline and the two Poles, they see that I'm pulling it off, so there have been happy moments in my life, including the call I got from our association, which I was going to

Starting point is 00:51:26 be admitted to the hockey fame. And when our president called us to tell me that, I burst into tears. I said, I hope I'll play. I said yes, but I said, the first person I just said thank you to was Paul Junior. Because towards the end of his life, he had probably become my best promoter. Because, you know, we were professional rivals, Paul and I, whether you like it or not, we ran after the same name, Pierre and Paul, you know, if I had called myself Jean-Jacques, at least. Yes, but I know, it was still confusing, Pierre and Paul in the same universe, but not for the same team, it seems like. But anyway, it was that year, and I turn to my agent Sylvain, who became my friend.

Starting point is 00:52:10 Sylvain could say, I was often on the run. And I'll admit, I consulted. I consulted, well, we should all do it, right? Exactly, yes. Someone I've really trusted for several years, but it still required a lot of inner strength. And don't forget, we're live every two days. When you have the heart in a thousand meters,

Starting point is 00:52:41 and when you have the heart in a thousand meters, you have the heart that hurts. And then you have to describe a hockey match as if it was the seventh match of the Stanley Cup final, because that's your responsibility. I don't know how, but I think it's a good thing. And what makes you say, one day, OK, I have to consult? Because it's too much. Because you feel like you're losing control. And it's not only about aggressiveness,

Starting point is 00:53:11 it's not only about the life of a couple and all that. Because yes, it obviously brings in inevitable tensions. But for me, it's especially about having experienced at the beginning this kind of internal pain that I didn't know, but it hurt for real. And then you say, well, how do I get out of it? Yes, you have friends, Sylvain was there, my good childhood friends that I still go to, they were there, but it's not enough.

Starting point is 00:53:36 Often, you know, a couple can't be the psychologist, a partner can't be your psychologist. And your best friends can't be your psychologists either, because somewhere there's a bias, there's a prejudice. But the consultant, he has the skills and he has the neutrality. And then, so it did me a great deal, but I would say that it's a set of factors that allowed me to get out of it. But really, because your question and I come back to it, the moment I was the most vulnerable in my life,

Starting point is 00:54:13 it was really the period that I went out of, it was really that period that will last maybe five to seven years. And I will add, without giving too much detail, that often the misfortune or failure comes a little despite you. In fact, you think it comes despite you, while that's not true. You're linked to the failure of a couple, you're linked to the failure of a friendship relationship, you're linked to a relationship failure, to a relationship failure, to a professional failure. But often you don't see it coming, and you feel like you have no reference

Starting point is 00:54:51 to explain the pain you have. Here, I'll explain it to you. The moment you have no reference to understand why you're so sick, you call a psychologist or a psychiatrist. And you found your mark. Yes, yes, but it was long. I barely start to feel good. Sylvain told me recently, wow, you're unknowable.

Starting point is 00:55:14 But these were difficult years, worrying years too. And I repeat, not just one event, the chain of events. Yes, that's it, it's an amalgam of things. Tell me, were you up to date when Paul died? Were you up to date with him? the event, the chain of events. Yes, that's it. It's an amalgam of things. Tell me, were you up to date when Paul died? Were you up to date with him at the national level? Ah yes, I was. Yes, I was, with hindsight. But the first thought we have is, I should have given it.

Starting point is 00:55:41 Because Paul was hospitalized several weeks before the major brain surgery. You know the story, Paul died, and Jean-Ré, it's not because it's funny, it's so crazy. He died of a completely detached cause from what had brought him to the hospital. So, Paul had a really huge mass in his brain, in his head, which was probably benign. But because he started to feel symptoms, at the level of balance, at the level of the loss of balance, I would say, and all that, we had hospitalized him to prevent him from getting sick, completely. So, he spent weeks in the city of health at Laval, and now I was going to see him from getting sick, totally. So he spent weeks assisting the health department at Laval, and I went to see him from time to time. And then, Paul was not at his best.

Starting point is 00:56:31 He was mumbling, but it was torrent. And then I went crazy, and then, it's not funny. You know, it's so funny. And then he was still smoking. I took him to sleep, and then he was going to smoke his little cigarette. And then he went back up. And then he was with his jacket on. He had misery with his jacket on.

Starting point is 00:56:52 Paul was really at his best in what Paul is. And then I spent some time with him. And then his son Karl came to find us. And then we went to the cafeteria together. And then, well, my little regret was that two weeks before the operation, I couldn't see it, I was with the Canadian abroad. And then the big operation arrived, which, the surgeon's wish, was a great success. So I kind of lowered my guards there too, until I learned that he was dead, an hour before going to write a grand prix, I was in the car, I went to the RDS,

Starting point is 00:57:29 and his son Karl called me saying, well, not the dead. I said, oh, OK. And then, to come to your question, was I OK with myself at that time? Yes, there was a part of the work had been done. And I kept all of them, the uncountable number of stupid emails that we sent to each other until his death. Probably that, to conclude, I'll go out one of these days,

Starting point is 00:57:59 I'll be out of my mind, and I'll drive on the ground, and that's what Paul would like. And I'll tell you where I was convinced that I was in peace with his departure. It's that recently, well, during the holidays, they've broadcast several series of the Boys, several films of the Boys. And in the Boys III, I have a cameo with my partner Pedneau at the time. And I was unable to start the recording.

Starting point is 00:58:27 I called Sylvain, I said, Sylvain, should I look at it or not? Pierre, yes, but you know, it's your decision. I called Lynn, Lynn, I'm not able to, it's your decision. Finally, I called the producer of the boys, Richard Goudreau, who became a good friend over the years. Richard, what do you want, why are you calling me? I was a producer of the boys, Richard Goudreau, who became a good friend over the years. Richard, what do you want? What's your name? I said, you're probably the one who's going to make me decide

Starting point is 00:58:51 if I watch the film or not. And then we talked for 15 minutes, then 20 minutes, then we laughed about a lot of things. Then I started the remote control, and Paul has a role, Paul has a completely psychotronic scene at the beginning of the film. And I laughed instead of crying or crying. And then I thought, well, I'm at peace with that. And he's next to me and he's in the right place in my life.

Starting point is 00:59:20 Wow, that's beautiful. It's beautiful. So you have people around you. Yes. Oh yes. You have protectors. It's my belief. Yes, well, I find that... You see, we've been through four minutes, but the link I have with my mother is 11.11. And you have no idea how many times, bang, in the face, it's 11.11.

Starting point is 00:59:45 And now you're thinking about your mother. No, I'm saying, hello Aline, I'm saying this completely. Hello Aline! It's crazy, but that's how it is. Well, when I see feathers, I'm talking to my mother. So you understand what I'm saying. Completely. And we often talk about it here in the podcast, about death and signs. And the conclusion is, if it does us good, let's take it.

Starting point is 01:00:09 Then it puts us in contact with these people who have been part of our lives and who are still there. Everything they left us, there is someone who says, I was reading my book, someone who said to his mother, before I saw you weren't next to me, now you are in me, you know, you weren't by my side, but now you're in me. You participate in everything I decide. I thought that was beautiful too. It's now I carry you. For me, it's for those who remain. It's the only way not to manage, it's the only way to live. With pain.

Starting point is 01:00:42 With pain, and eventually... And well, I know it's part of the religious discourse, and I've always been one of those who have never bought the concept of religion, bought it in the very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, level, Pierre. Oh, that's like the red lights. You're going to give me three of them. And then? It's red like passion. Yes, well, it's red like... it becomes personal. And then you see, I'm going to read them to you, you're just going to choose. I'm not going to choose in the red level. It will answer only one question.

Starting point is 01:01:10 Okay. Maybe you just said, what did Paul represent in your life? Maybe you have something to say about that. Did you neglect certain aspects of your life? What is your biggest source of inspiration? What is your biggest source of inspiration? What is your biggest source of inspiration? What is your biggest source of inspiration?

Starting point is 01:01:18 What is your biggest source of inspiration? What is your biggest source of inspiration? What is your biggest source of inspiration? What is your biggest source of inspiration? What is your biggest source of inspiration? What is your biggest source of inspiration? What is your biggest source of inspiration? What is your biggest source of inspiration? What is your biggest source of inspiration? What is your biggest source of inspiration? What is your biggest source of inspiration? that Paul represented in your life? Maybe you have something to say about that. Did you neglect some aspects of your life? What is your biggest source of insecurity?

Starting point is 01:01:32 Oh, I could almost answer... I could almost have an answer that links the three of us. Well, go ahead, it's your game. Yeah. Well, Paul, I've just talked about it a lot. Yes, yes, it's... Yes. I've just talked about Paul a lot. But in the end, Paul was, and I think I was for Paul, Paul was my greatest stimulant in my life. And I think I was, modestly, a very strong stimulant for Paul.

Starting point is 01:02:00 And because we were, we were solving part of the insecurity we could have. And if I had to change aspects of my life, it would be, first, Garnot suggested in 2012 to stop being insecure at Outrance, but I could answer very well what I neglected in my life. So, I touched on that a little bit. What kind of insecurity do you want? The biggest source of insecurity is my job, Marie-Claude. It's a job you've been doing for how long?

Starting point is 01:02:32 This job since 2009. See, it's nothing. It's been 16 years. I've been doing it since 1975. I have a degree in HEC, I was a radio host. I ran the Canada Grand Prix in 1985 and 1986. Rhythm FM is a bit like my consultant work that went from CFGL to Rhythm FM, but no one knows. So I've been doing the job of communicator since 1975.

Starting point is 01:02:58 So my biggest source of insecurity is my job. And somewhere I find it almost reassuring and stimulating. Because to hold on to 100% for Acquis, I'm so afraid that it will happen to me one day that I think I will retire. You don't have the choice to be a little at the end of your chair. All the time. In this job. All the time. Because it's constant negotiation.

Starting point is 01:03:21 It's knowing if we're going to renew, if we're going to be called back. And it's a job that you don't know what you're going to do every time. You're going to write a match, but what match? You don't know in advance. I think the first thing about insecurity is that it's behind the cameras that capture us presently, and it's behind the speakers that listen to us presently. For me, it's almost a healthy insecurity. Some will call it nervousness, others call it the trach. I prefer to say it's the trach.

Starting point is 01:03:50 So every time you talk to the microphone, you think of the people who are listening to you. It's a first reflex I have and it's not to look good. I swear it's not to look good. You're going to be on the top. There are five viewers or there are 500,000. I've always thought that if a person gave you his discretionary time, that person deserves 100% of yourself. And 100% is in the form and in the background. I come from this school of radio.

Starting point is 01:04:17 It's so important. One day, Karl Tremblay was talking about the frantic cowboys and he said, at the beginning when we started, our rooms weren't full. But we sang, our rooms were not full. But we sang for those who were there. We didn't sing for empty seats. There were 12 people and in the end the rooms were full. We were doing the same show because we were doing it for those who were there. And what you say, I think we have to remember in everything we do in life.

Starting point is 01:04:41 Because sometimes we see the chairs empty before we see the benches that someone sits on. That's so well said, the way you present it. And besides, I made professional choices, which went in that direction. When I accepted RDS in 89, I was...

Starting point is 01:05:00 I had finally been hired by the Service des Sports of Radio Canada, which was a big dream of Paul and ou of Pierre. And I was there in 88. And I quickly understood that it was perhaps not the right direction. And at the same time, I was a bit like the little new guy. And I didn't see myself as the little new guy.

Starting point is 01:05:19 I saw myself very well able to write hockey, very well able to write the F1. But what do you want? The Kennevilles, the Kenne F1, but what do you want? The Kennevilles, Pagé and the other companies were there. And it was quite normal for them to be there. And besides, they were all very good friends. But when the RDS arrived, everyone said it would last six months. We can't have a 24-hour French-speaking network

Starting point is 01:05:45 in Quebec in French. It's impossible. I jumped because I was offered to write hockey. And I said, well, I'll see. And then my pilot instinct came out. I'd rather be a captain in a small used plane than be a bar agent in a big modern plane that flies well. And that was a bit of my reflection.

Starting point is 01:06:08 And Paul Seigneur, when I had consulted him, he told me, you will see, Pierrot, one day, all the sport, all the hockey will be at RDS. Well, he was right. Your father was right. Unbelievable. And RDS was not even in the world. And indeed, we had the exclusivity of hockey for what? 10, 12 years. And so, but insecurity, in short, it's a daily reality for me. Are you still insecure about that?

Starting point is 01:06:35 Of course. In a year and a half, the rights to the distribution of hockey are to be renewed. Or in fact, they are finished. Who will have more than less? Who won't have more than less? Who will have more than less? And my own professional contracts go hand in hand with that. My other property, the F1, everything is to be renegotiated in a year, and so my own contracts go hand in hand with that. But what goes hand in hand with that is, do we want another month?

Starting point is 01:07:04 Do the people who are watching us and listening to us want to continue to trust us? Can we go against a phenomenon that may be a little bit resolved, but which has been quite in fashion recently, it's ageism? And can we go against that? Well, not 100%. You have to accept your fate, you have to accept your fate, as we say, professionally. But it stimulates me. I learned to be stimulated, to work harder, to stay up to date,

Starting point is 01:07:37 to understand what the younger audience wants to have. And so, insecurity somehow serves me. It serves me as daily food. It's a stimulus, somehow. Your insecurity, you've transformed it. To work even harder. Yes. I like what you're saying because you have to renew yourself.

Starting point is 01:07:58 You have to be curious. I find that age, you know, often we talk about age, but it remains that we can, for me, be an old young man. Ah, of course. It's the curiosity of who you are around, to be on the edge of your chair and be lit by what you do. That's living, that's, I find that renewing too. Yes. It's not about taking for granted what we did, it stops there, and we will continue to do it in the same way. Exactly. And in addition, at the level of communications, TV, it changes.

Starting point is 01:08:37 The demands have evolved too. Now we have digital platforms, you know, there's a lot of way to look at us, to listen to us, and if we want to renew ourselves, we have to be aware of all that. And to finish your trilogy, probably having to focus a lot on that brings me to my only regret, which is not having enough time for me and knowing myself. I did a lot of things that made me passionate. I have my pilot license. I don't pilot anymore because I don't have time and it's too difficult. But I still have 400 hours of flight. I rode my bike. I played golf.

Starting point is 01:09:19 But at the same time, I would have liked to have more time to really say, OK, what I really like, what really frees me, what I can keep doing until the end of my days or almost. Maybe I missed a little bit of that, to take time for myself and to... To make time that is not already in advance. Exactly, and to get to know me better. Because you had an agenda. And I still have the same agenda. But it's okay, I'm getting there quietly.

Starting point is 01:09:51 You're getting to know each other. I'm starting to play golf again. I hope that my character has improved. I'm convinced. Okay, are you a golf player? A bad shot? Do you remember the second or third? What did Garnot tell me in London? Stop being so severe towards yourself.

Starting point is 01:10:08 I'll try to apply it to golf. I played golf with Jean Lapierre and Nicole for a long time. I started with Jean and Nicole. Nicole and Mario were two competitive people. And we were wondering where we were going to eat after. You understand? That's probably where I'm going, Marie-Claude. Probably that with age, I'll probably become even more this kind of golfer. And I'm looking forward to the 19th hole.

Starting point is 01:10:32 Yes, that's it. Where are we going to go eat? You know, we were like the pleasure, and then you had the other two who were digging in the wood to find their ball. And Jean said, well, put that in our pocket. I mean, Jean really took me to the golf course, to say, look, a bad shot, you take it back on the other, you forget it. And I think that life, it seems like it was a lesson in life because it's true that in golf you can carry all your holes and accumulate them, even the good one you don't see at the end. So we were always happy. We kept at least one hole that was good, but he was really better than me. But in fact, I think I'm going to invite you to one of my first rounds in the spring.

Starting point is 01:11:08 Maybe you'll be my golf therapist. That's it, but if you have the most rigid ones, I'll hit them in the nuts. You understand? But I learned, it looks like golf, to see the personalities. Of course. Performance, performed, but performed in relation to yourself. Because you're in an ench enchanting, idyllic. For five hours you're walking on a field. And finally, your little ball that doesn't go to the right place because there's wind,

Starting point is 01:11:34 because you didn't take the right stick, whatever. Make sure you become cursed on the field. And very often you have all that because you think that others are worried, while the other golfers don't give a damn about your game. And that's what people often tell me. Pierre, stop being so flabby. Everyone is balancing out your game. Yeah, it's true.

Starting point is 01:11:59 So, we don't do anything about it, but that's how it is. You're right, personality comes out. Yeah, you know how Mario was very, very, very good at himself. But when I started playing, he had played since he was very little, he played on the field in Kakuna, not me. And sometimes it was a little longer. You know, the ball stayed on the tee at the start, you know? So sometimes I came a little cursed after me and he said to me,

Starting point is 01:12:23 Hey, you paid the same thing as the others, they're just going to wait. So he said, no, you take your place, and after that, Jean taught me, no, a good course, hold on. And you did 17 bad ones, you did a good one, we're going to celebrate that tonight. Lynn is like that, Lynn is a golfer like that, and you're right. It also applies in life, you have to celebrate when there is something positive. So now you know my challenge. I'm back in the game this spring.

Starting point is 01:12:53 The big challenge is to appreciate my good shots. And to appreciate being on a new field. It's an incredible chance to take a day in nature in paradise. It's true. It's completely true. So we forget that sometimes. Okay, well, I'm going to go with your card. I'm going to put nature in paradise places. True, that's absolutely true. So we forget that sometimes. Okay, well, I'm going to go with your card. I'm going to put it in my pockets. Yes, you're going to go with the game as a whole.

Starting point is 01:13:10 We're talking about Eros and Companier. You're going to give me 4 out of 5 and you're going to choose one. I'll give you 4. 1, 2, 3 and 4. So, last week I was at KGCO, and there was a wall in tribute to Jean Lapierre. Every time I passed by, it reminded me of something. I realize that more and more, I address my production team by saying, hi, hi.

Starting point is 01:13:43 Do you remember them saying hi, hi. Ah, yeah. The famous... Do you remember how they said hi, hi? Well, so much, so much. It was... I realized what I was saying. And I was particularly sensitive to these last few hours because I'm a pilot myself. I've been deeply affected by his tragic death because Jean was mostly friends with Paul, but Jean was a great habit of La Cantina, the restaurant that is closed today. I went there a lot.

Starting point is 01:14:08 Jean was there, Martino, Sophie, etc. So we had created a kind of collegiality. I really liked Jean Lapierre. I didn't know Paul because of Jean. Jean, I knew him when I was young in politics. I was 21 when I met Jean. It's another one, like your husband, like many others. If all these people had managed to persist in politics,

Starting point is 01:14:30 maybe I would have gone with them. Oh yeah. Wow. I think of real people. I met Mario, you know when? No. We were neighbors in a church seat at Maurice Richard's funeral. And I was already a big fan of Mario, because I thought we needed a third political voice

Starting point is 01:14:51 in Quebec. Pragmatic, rational, united, young, and my God, I thought he was the perfect boss. And we had shared a little, as much as we could. It was still a sad and solemn moment, the celebration of Maurice Richard's funeral. And when we still meet today, we remember that moment. And I told him, I'm completely on your side, let's talk eventually. And well, life, in fact, has brought people of great talent

Starting point is 01:15:23 outside of politics, and that's correct. And it was probably correct for these people. But sometimes I wonder if they could all have stayed there, if they could all have been part of our lives longer, we would probably have been better off. It was close, too. There were still some close-ups. Of course. So, about Eros & Companie, what memories do you remember from your first time? What did you learn about sexuality at the age of 20?

Starting point is 01:15:52 What do you do to seduce the other? What role does emotional intimacy play in your relationship with your lover? Well... The final score is Marie-Claude 1, Pierre 0. Vous regardez le volet hérocée compagnie de ce balado. Est-ce que tu veux que je t'enlise une autre?

Starting point is 01:16:16 Dans quel que ce soit le mot de la fin. Ça c'est drôle! Ça c'est la première fois. Je vais le dire quand même la dernière. On va tout ouvrir les câbles. Est-ce que vous parlez ouvertement I'll tell you the last one anyway. We'll all open the boxes. Hey, don't be like that! But, is it that you openly talk about sexuality within your family? Well no, no. That's too easy. You can send that right away. OK, one of the six.

Starting point is 01:16:34 We had the trouble of saying I love you, imagine you. When my mother discovered my first Playboy, I said I ate them all! Ha ha ha! Well... Ha ha ha! What am I doing? Ah, well, here. What memories do I have of my first time? Wonderful. What would I have liked to know about sexuality at 20?

Starting point is 01:16:58 Well, porn taught me everything. Ah, here. I'll talk... I'll go on that one. Ok, what role do you play? Not seduce, seduce. I'll go with that one. Okay, what role do you play? Not to seduce, to seduce. Okay, to seduce. What do you do to seduce the other?

Starting point is 01:17:10 I use my voice. Really? Yes. That voice, serious? No, I'm exaggerating. It's for the ends of your show. Maybe when you get home and you talk like that, does it mean anything? That's because I've been told that so many times. To a point where sometimes I say, do I look like I'm not worse?

Starting point is 01:17:34 No, but that really, I know it's a work tool, but listen, I'm a really, really great romantic. I'm so old-fashioned about it. I'm a great sensitive really a great romantic. I'm so old-fashioned about it. I'm a great sensitive, a great romantic. I believe... It doesn't mean I'm flat in bed, but I believe a lot in all the game. That's what I was saying. That's not true.

Starting point is 01:17:58 I believe a lot in the universe wider than just sexuality. I've always worn a big hat. I call it... It's more than romanticism. I call it affection. I am affectionate. Like intimacy. Well, earlier there was the question of emotional intimacy. So you dress it all up. It's not just sexuality in a panther. No, because although it's wonderful to have an active sexual life, and healthy and consenting with the person you love, then well, I don't need to go back on that.

Starting point is 01:18:30 I have the impression that with your current partner, something happened to you. It was a blow of lightning. Yes, because through all the difficult moments I've known, Lynn knew her own difficult moments. She had just been operated on for breast cancer. I'm happy to say, after six years, that she's a survivor and that she's almost... well, she's in remission, but...

Starting point is 01:18:58 And she lost her dad too, when I was becoming free in my personal life. And Laine and I, I was her client, she served me on the side of the car concession. In short, I learned that she went through all of this at the same time. And by instinct, I went to her office. Because it was written, L'Incouture, and we exchanged letters and all that. And business letters. And I said, hello, Lynn, I'm Pierre-Houd, yes, I recognize you.

Starting point is 01:19:35 Well, I said, I'm learning that it's not going very well, and well, you too, because I'm doing your car transfers, and I see that it's not easy. We throw ourselves into each other's arms. And it's so funny because I say, listen, come, I'll be comforted. And then she doesn't talk about it today, she flattens my back.

Starting point is 01:19:56 And I squeeze her, she likes my big shoulders. I have butterflies. And then I take her, I squeeze her in my... And then she smacks my back, and I'm like, please, my God, let it continue, let it continue. I don't want it to stop. And she's like, I don't want to go out, I don't want to... Well, you don't say it, of course.

Starting point is 01:20:14 So I squeeze it, then she rubs my back, and it's like, well, oh! Well, listen, good luck with your dad. She's leaving for Quebec, indeed. And I've never done that in my life, because I'm very affectionate, I love women and all that, I've always been a little embarrassed to take the first steps.

Starting point is 01:20:32 So, and this is the first time in my life that it comes out, well, listen, Lynn, when all this is over for you and me, if you want, we'll have a drink, we'll celebrate that we're going to another... Well, she says, yes, yes, I'll think about it,. We'll celebrate that we're going to another... Well, she said, yes, yes, I'll think about it. And finally, she sent me a email this evening. Her father had died.

Starting point is 01:20:51 She was with her family in Quebec, in Beauport. And she wrote to me at the end, and you know what? I thought about it. Yes, I'd really like to have a drink with you. She was free in her life at that time. She too. But free, but extremely... Charged She too. Free but extremely... Charged.

Starting point is 01:21:08 Charged but also... She was extremely hit by cancer, by radiotherapy. She was fragilized. She was extremely fragilized. We found a date, I'll always remember, on July 18th. I have to go back. 7 years ago, so 2018. And we had a first soup, close to my place. And it was a wonderful soup.

Starting point is 01:21:35 And I went to drive it back to the car, and I said to her, I have two options. Either I give her a little beque, or I give her a real one, and she'll understand who I am, And we ended up in the city. So we gave each other a nice French. You remember? I didn't want him to stop. Hélène, by right, said, well, we should move on.

Starting point is 01:21:54 I have to go back home. So when I... Yes, I remember, Maison, I remember. So, but it was... In fact, often I say, I don't know myself yet. Now, I have to admit, I love the sixties, because I know myself well now.

Starting point is 01:22:12 I'm very comfortable with all that. And you also see that it's now, that there's no time to waste. That's the big difference in the sixties compared to the forties, even the fifties. Paul had told me, when I went into the sixties, I was panicking. Don't panic, my brother, it's the my sixties, even in my fifties. Paul told me that when I was in my sixties, I was panicking. Don't panic, my brother, it's the fabulous sixties.

Starting point is 01:22:29 He's right. It's true that it's the fabulous sixties. Especially until I was 65. I was 67. I started to have little pimples, blood tests, I had a sore throat and all that. But in my head, I live a moment, on the emotional level, I live a great serenity. And it's not because it's perfectly perfect and compatible with Lynn, over the years, and we hit COVID together. Imagine you, the two of us, we had decided to live together, we hit COVID, and we're caught in a avec moi qui fait mes émissions de RDS. Fait qu'il faut pas parler pendant ce temps-là.

Starting point is 01:23:07 Les émissions de remplacement, pis elle a fait son travail à distance avec son employeur. Bref. Mais toi tu travaillais-tu de la maison à ce moment-là? Ben j'avais pas le choix. On faisait des émissions de remplacement. Ah oui, c'est dur de faire de la télé de la maison. C'était dur pendant la COVID. Ben oui, pis y'avait pas de hockey, et on a frappé tous les deux la COVID, alors il a fallu prendre soin de l'un de l'autre.

Starting point is 01:23:24 Bref, on a eu nos défis de couple qui nous ont amenés à se dire, hey, on s'adore, We didn't play hockey, and we both got COVID-19. So we had to take care of each other. In short, we had our couple challenges, which led us to say, hey, we love each other, maybe it's better to live separately for a little while. And that was the best decision we made, because during the last few years, we really found ourselves in the perfect moments. Lynn had her professional intimacy, I had mine, on Friday night I would go to Lynn's, I preferred to go to her because there are a lot of trees, it's quiet in her corner.

Starting point is 01:23:55 And so it was the right context for all the emotional part that we have, to come out and burst on the big day, in the right context. And that includes sexuality for me. But for me, an universe, not ideal, the universe we have to seek, is that we have to be much more than just sexual partners.

Starting point is 01:24:22 We have to discover the nemesis, for example humor. We are so often wrong to laugh. And she is funny because she doesn't realize it. And I tell her, you're so funny, you would have made an incredible comic stand-up. So we laugh a lot. And often, we have humor, even in our sexual relationships, you know, we laugh. That's because you're comfortable. We're comfortable. But there's still a game of seduction. And then I think that...

Starting point is 01:24:50 I think that it's my voice that is probably my seduction tool. Beyond my work, I think I use it quite well to talk to my partner, to my lover. You seem really happy, Pierre. I am. I think that overall I am able to say that I am happy. And you know, how do we reach happiness? I would like to know the person who reached happiness linearly. I don't believe it.

Starting point is 01:25:20 No, happiness is in a point. My favorite philosopher at WestJab was Teilhard de Chardin. I don philosopher at Ségapes was Teilhard de Chardin. I don't know if you've ever studied Teilhard de Chardin. He was the point omega. He said, we all go to the point omega. That sounds like Ségapes, doesn't it? But his philosophy was very good, because he was talking about the great principles of life. He said that we all go to the point omega by crossing converging oceanic cycles.

Starting point is 01:25:47 That's the memory of the woods, I remember that. So what does that mean? Does that mean we are going from here towards a kind of fullness, inititude? Is it death at the end? Or are these our years before we die? Is it... we reach that in the sixties. Is it exact for everyone? I don't know. But you see, he always

Starting point is 01:26:09 inspired me a lot as a philosopher. We would say that I'm living that right now. My oceanic cycles are getting smaller and smaller and lead to a certain serenity. Serenity. Yeah. That's well said. Yeah. So, basically, I had to come here this morning to realize it, maybe in an ultimate way. But yeah, I think I'm going to go. And at the same time, don't think I'm flat in bed. Okay?

Starting point is 01:26:34 Okay, that's cool. It's been a few times that you've told us that. Why would we think you're flat in bed? Because, listen, I'm always in the bed. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Bell Centre. And tonight, the Canadian in front of you, Sharks of San Jose, Mark, the analyst of this match.

Starting point is 01:26:48 That's it. The final mark is therefore... Hey, it doesn't sound very sexual. Do you have the impression that your sexual life... No, but Elin thought of me like that. She thought of you like that. But at the same time, you already wanted to... Earlier you talked about being an accountant, but you still wanted to be an accountant. You studied marketing.

Starting point is 01:27:05 Yes, that's it. And you associate that with something that could look a little straight in the end. Square, exactly. Square, that's it, that's your perception. Yes, conservative and all that. So what you want to tell us is that you're not at all in the sphere of intimacy. No, not at all. And I'll admit it, I was... Listen, my first kick was Francine Léveillé. Francine Léveillé was my third year teacher.

Starting point is 01:27:31 Ok, that's a long time ago. You were little. I sat down in front of Francine and I was like, ah, how beautiful. I had this call very young. You were already awake. Yes. An awake, let's say, emotional, sensual, sexual, of course. It happens later on. But I assume, I've always had this fascination, this attraction. In the case of François Neveilleux, he was my third year teacher. But I remember Daniel Saint-Arnaud in sixth year,

Starting point is 01:28:07 I loved little Daniel, and my neighbor, Michel Surgeon, and... And it's funny because... You had a lot of love, like, unadulterated. Well, yes, but I don't know if we can call that love. I always had an attraction, a wake-up call. A wake-up call, okay. You know? And then, I'll admit it, I was extremely open and fascinated the first time I used material called pornographic or erotic.

Starting point is 01:28:41 I was talking about my first Playboy earlier, the first 3D films that listen the porn of the 70s. You know, there were video clubs, I remember, there were doors like Western. But I was in the video clubs, you had to go to the cinema, specialized, and it was a bit embarrassing, you hid. But what do you want? It was that. It was your way of consuming yourself.

Starting point is 01:29:02 Exactly. And I wasn't alone. But in the 70s, we called it the counterculture. So, we said, oh, well, it's not porn, it's counterculture. So, but I don't know, it's always been... I've always had an extremely broad imagination of not only sexuality, but also romance, seduction. I love this universe. I feel as comfortable as I feel uncomfortable, depending on the context. I have the impression that you are in the most beautiful period of your life. In this sphere of intimacy, both sexual and emotional. It's the most beautiful period of life, except age. Unfortunately, your body is less performing. Your creative side takes over.

Starting point is 01:30:03 That's when you realize aging Your creative side takes over, I imagine. That's where you realize aging. You have to adapt. When you say we want old and young, it's really me. Or young and old, I don't know which of the two should go first. You would be more of a... We can't say necessarily an old person, but that is to say that instead of...

Starting point is 01:30:20 Because you're someone who wants to stay young, who does everything he needs to not age, to not be an old man. In fact, you know, an old man in the sense, I mean, pejorative, the image we have. But it's very fair what you say. And inside you. But you learn to develop that because you know very well that you're not going in the best direction for your body, your human body, your biology. Yes, it's as if there's a descendant slope in relation to our renewal. There are all sorts of external factors that can affect your libido, that can accept

Starting point is 01:30:54 women, you have your reality, men, we have our reality. And so you have to accept that and that you say, wow, but on the other hand, I assume so much now the pleasure of this, the pleasure of that. I know so well my partner and you want to understand her, and vice versa, that basically all this is absolutely wonderful. But you shouldn't stop all the time at the frequency, you shouldn't stop at the way you are. That's why I come back to this. I've said it three times, I'm sorry, but I really like to look at it as a big plate. Affection, sensuality, seduction. Friendship too.

Starting point is 01:31:37 Friendship and humor. You put all that in the salad, it makes a good salad. Without ever having a insurance policy. Because I think success is based on never holding anything for anyone, in a couple, no matter their age. These were lessons of life that I took away. But anyway, it's true, I can start from here by saying that I am relatively happy. And don't forget that the voice is often a very important element of seduction.

Starting point is 01:32:09 You know that Jacques Villeneuve, at the time, he was visiting Dani Menogue, the sister of Kylie Menogue. And he was asked how you seduce Dani in bed and he says I speak to him softly in Italian in the ear? That's not an answer we could have guessed. You can imagine, right? But you see the power of voice and accent. So, I speak Italian a little, but I prefer French. Last question, Pierre. Question optoraiso.

Starting point is 01:32:42 If we look back and stop on October 16, 1989, what emotion do you have? Oh wow. First and foremost, a great pride. But a great pride in general, not a great personal pride. A great pride in general to have... I could have declined for 10 minutes. Tell me, what happened on October 16, 1900? It was my first hockey match at RDS.

Starting point is 01:33:09 But it was... And that's where I'm going to come in, Marie-Claude. It was also the first successful test for RDS in hockey. RDS had opened its doors in September. But obviously, everyone was waiting... Everyone was waiting for us to complain, literally, as a Canadian hockey broadcaster. And the next day, we got extraordinary reviews. Then Mario Brisebois, in the Journal de Montréal, had done a survey afterwards, and we were number one.

Starting point is 01:33:38 Imagine, we had just started. And so, I have great personal pride, because I still made a very bold choice on a professional level. And at the same time, a great pride in what should have been an operation that lasted six months and became a major broadcaster in the Quebec television universe. Because we make TV, and we must not hide it. So that was really an important moment. Very important. In fact, it was a key moment. And I will always remember, it was in the old forum,

Starting point is 01:34:15 and you had the... listen, the broadcast booths were rudimentary, we were in metal columns, and then the other side was the press. Completely on the other side, it was the press. Completely on the other side of the skating rink. And then I'm with Yvon Pédneau, who was my first partner. And then we're ready to start. And I nod to Yvon, I say, look on the other side. He says, what's up? I said, there's no one. Hey, is that true? Where are they?

Starting point is 01:34:40 They were all staying in the press room to listen to our first minutes. And probably to our first minutes. And probably to laugh at us. I had already said that I refused mediocrity, that I refused to be bad and that we laugh at us the next morning. And there I said, Ivon, there you have even more proof. Everyone listens to us to laugh at us. We must be the best now.

Starting point is 01:35:05 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to this first match. We had an excellent hockey match. I made a little mistake by mistaking the name of the goalkeeper once. But the next day, in the press, we had extraordinary critics and then it started and it has been going on since 1989. So I have a personal pride, but I have personal pride, but I also have collective pride in being part of what is still a small team today.

Starting point is 01:35:31 We are small compared to TSM. And we remember when we start a project, when we are part of those who took the risks. Yes. And you, what was extraordinary, Marie-Claude, throughout the course, is that we often started projects again. It's not just October 1989. I was talking about the Olympic Games earlier.

Starting point is 01:35:49 In 2010, in Vancouver, when I started to host opening ceremonies with Richard, and we were with Alexandre Depati at the time, when I started, I was so proud of RDS, because I said to myself, we only think about Radio-Canada to broadcast the Olympic Games. And RDS was not only capable of being a broadcaster and Olympic producer, but we invented the multi-platform coverage.

Starting point is 01:36:17 It was us who invented it. Radio-Canada has picked it up from 2014. But if you have the opportunity to see all the real-time, live events on your tablet, on your computer, on your phone, on the different more conventional antennas, it's RDS and CTV, in fact, and TSN who invented this approach. So, that's the word pride that comes to mind, because it's personal pride and individual pride, with, obviously, in the background, I would say, a great professional happiness

Starting point is 01:36:56 to be part of this family. Several say that there's the CH tattooed on the heart, I have the RDS tattooed on the heart. Well, thank you, Pierre-Aude. Your passion is contagious. It's nice to hear you, to be passionate about your job. I'm jarring. That's Aline. I'm really Aline's son. But here, that's what we do. What we take here, we ask you questions and we want to hear you.

Starting point is 01:37:18 It reassures me. I always get out of a thing like that. I say, Sylvain, damn it, I talked about it. But I'm a little like you. Every time I do something, I seem to be talking too much. Especially when I do interviews on the radio, while I'm talking. Thank you very much. Oh, okay. Because we don't see them. When we're on the phone, on the radio, we don't see what's going on. And I always feel like I'm talking too much.

Starting point is 01:37:38 And it's true that this is not... It's not fun. But here, it's the opposite. We'll never talk enough. Well, you reassure me. and I'll finish with a compliment. You're really good at having a personal discussion. Really. Thank you. Really very good. You have exceptional basic qualities. And I probably said more than I thought. So it's a compliment I give you.

Starting point is 01:37:59 Well, thank you, Pierre. I'm very, very happy to meet you. Well, me too. Really, I'm getting it out. Hey, it's almost like therapy. Can we come back? You can come back. I feel like I know you better. Well, that's great. I hope it leaves a good impression. Yes, it's a very good impression. It's beautiful to see someone who, I think, shines. There's something amazing.

Starting point is 01:38:20 Thank you very much. We feel your happiness. Happiness, even if it's not linear, when it's there, you have to take it. Because it's often when it's not there that we realize it was there. Yes, you're absolutely right. So this ability to grasp it is an extra in life. Well, thank you very much, Marie-Claude. It's a magnificent invitation, really.

Starting point is 01:38:36 Well, thank you, Pierre, and thank you to everyone for being with us. Yes, thank you for being patient to listen to all this. No, no, I told you, people, they love it. They take long walks by often looking at us, but especially by listening to us. And we'll see you at the next podcast, my Michael Mont.

Starting point is 01:38:51 Yes. This episode was presented by Karine Jonquin, the reference in the matter of care for the skin in Quebec and by the Marie-Club, which is a space dedicated to the best-being. Table games, Open Your Game Original Edition and Couples Edition are available everywhere in stores and on Randolph.ca

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