Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette - #109 Ariane Moffatt | Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette

Episode Date: June 9, 2025

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Hello everyone, welcome to Open Your Game, the podcast. I'm always happy to see you and I want to tell you right away who's going to be the guest. After that, I'm going to talk to you about something else because I've been waiting for this guest for a long time. I've invited her often and then she finally said yes, it's Ariane Moffat. I've been loving Ariane Moffat since she started with Daniel Bélanger. I can't wait for her to talk about it. She was in her 20s and I immediately thought, OK, that's like a young prodigy. There's something about that woman. And I still think that today. She has a little spark. She has something, at least musically, that is quite exceptional. So I would be very happy to know that she arrived. So I can't wait to receive her. But before, of course, I like to talk to you. I want to talk to you about one of our partners, because now we have the Spaceman card for Patreon subscribers.

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It's been several years that she's been a part of the art landscape of Quebec. So I'm going to leave her to Ariane Moffat. Some of me could have imagined being someone who goes to nudist beaches. There's something about it. You could do it. Well, I wouldn't be uncomfortable with this idea of seeing the body as... ...stop always wanting to hide it or to come back to something a little primitive with it. I think it's a way to accept yourself or to come back to something very normalized on anatomy.

So yes, if you come by our place, you might see me naked walking around the house. Open Your Game is presented by Karine Jonquas, the skin care reference, available in almost 1000 pharmacies in Quebec, and by the Marie-Club, which is a space dedicated to the best-being, where we find more than a hundred masters, led by experts, available on Marie-Claude.com. Table games, Open Your Original Game and Couples Edition are available everywhere in Quebec and on Randolph.ca. She's in front of me, I told you about the beginning of the game, I was looking forward to welcoming her. She represents a lot, both in everything she wrote, among other things I remember about

Poussière d'ange, which for me was something particular where we talked about the interruption of pregnancy in this way, about the impact that it can have on the woman who lives it. And we talked about it with all this softness, we enveloped this woman. And it already marked me that she dares to talk about it. And at the same time, by daring, it makes sure that it is part of a life. And at many times, she marked me, this woman. And I am very, very happy to have her today. Hello Ariane. Hello, Vincroc. I'm very happy to have Ariane Mofade in front of me. I'm talking about Pousser d'Anges, but I could have talked about a lot of things, but that's what came to me. Because not long ago, I was somewhere and this song was playing.

And I was thinking, hey, that was remarkable. At the beginning of Parkour, it was a bomb for several women and several men. And I think it's the song that we talked most talked about, definitely, since I was 25. So yes, it touched me that you come in with that, because it was also a great vulnerability. For me, it was a gift offered to a friend at the time. It was my only way, in my life, it happened to me several times, that the only way to express deeply what I felt was through a song, a gift song. And how did she receive that, your friend?

Oh my God, she received it in a way, I think... Well, let's say it's a bomb, imagine if it was for you, so I think it did her a great good. It's also like an acceptance. Yeah, it's true, it's like a little bit of validation, the fact that these are decisions that are so difficult to learn to take, with which they live. I think the song, I think it says a little bit like a sea, it's correct, you know, it's going to be correct, and later it might be something else. And I think that sometimes in great moments of vertigo, that's just what we need to spread. It's soothing. It's soothing and in the other the way the other person looks too.

Where there's no judgement, but what you're offering her is so beautiful. Tell me, how are you doing? I'm fine, I'm happy to be here. It seems like it's a meeting that took a while. I'm happy. I'm in a period of beginning of a show after the release of my album. The festivals are starting and I find the pure joy of connecting with the public. I feel like I really worked hard and had a plan that I put into action. Sometimes there are plans that go, wow, I feel like I'm in my own plan. It brings me great satisfaction to say, well, that's it. That's how I wanted to put this last album out there.

And the way it unfolds, it's in phase with what I wanted. And it's like in life, when you feel like you're in phase with yourself, there's something that... And you realize it. Yeah. Sometimes, when time, when we move forward in time, we realize that we're living more. It's true. Yeah. Maybe because we're not conscious anymore or... We are maybe more conscious?

I think we have more of a I'm not an esoteric, but there are periods of great harvest in life where we feel like we're sowing things. We don't know too much, we sow and then it takes all its meaning at the same time. That's what you said, it's true. I might be in a spring harvest moment, the fun. Well yes! Because it's true that sometimes we work hard, we work on ourselves. I'm also in a period with young children, an extremely demanding period of life, where I always wanted everything, I want everything, and assuming that, and being completely grounded in it, it was really cool.

I want everything, right now, you're here. How old are your children? Listen, it's crazy, Paul and Henri enter high school in September, and Georges is in his second year, seven years ago. So we're in a big transition period. I did a show two days ago. I raise my head and I have one that's a cigarette next to his gate. Who's like this.

I'm like, what happened? Yesterday, it was OK, the double plush, we bring it. And then I blame it during the check-in. And then my blonde is not OK. They're there and they take advantage and they jump with the crowd in my show. So it's incredible. Wow. No, but it's such a beautiful way to express yourself, to express yourself in front of what you are, your work.

It's beautiful. Yeah, it's beautiful, it's beautiful. And the reflection, when you say, be aware, the reflection is to see your loved ones, the closest ones who are there and who live it with you. Their look at what you do, that's where it all makes sense. Before we start, I want to tell you that I brought you a game too. What did you bring me? It's cards.

Oh, for your album, Game Age! I'm shuffling you. Well, yes, but I'm shuffling you, I like that. Here, in your minute. It's just merch. It's a game, it's a game of cards. There's no question about it, but... Look, I'm the joker.

Ok, so you're the joker. You're the queen too! But I'm also the king. That's what's fun about it. Ok, you're everything. You're everything. I am everything. Me and me.

Me and me and my joker. But you sell them before your shows. Exactly, a bit like T-shirts. I just offered them to you. They are beautiful. We're going to play, but it has caught my attention. The title, Air de Joue. The other time I was talking with a friend, I invited her to do the podcast here.

You can put them away. She told me, she has a chum, she said, my chum will teach me how to play. And after that, I'll be ready to go and open your game. And I'm a lot in the game too, I find that in this playful aspect, it's because the game brings us to other areas. And you arrive with your album, Air de Jeu, I find that there is something that we need in the heaviness of what we live. To reconnect to something that may bring us more into, maybe playful, but the wonder of the presence. The presence. Yes, that's exactly it. To stop just thinking about what's going on outside, but to re-center and share with others those moments.

Completely. Do you want to share with me? Open your game. I'm going to leave today. So, let's go. The green questions are general order questions. The yellow questions are more specific order questions. The red questions are personal questions. The pink questions about intimacy, sexuality and sensuality. It's the level of eros and companionship. We have... You're a new viewer.

We have the Spaceman question. Spaceman is for Patreon subscribers. And it's a question that I find a little... It's about well-being and all that. We have the Optoraisoo that makes sure everything ends well. I think it's a question that makes the plane land well before the end of opening your game. And you have your super joker. If at some point you say, what is it? I'm going to answer that. It's too delicate, we change and at that point I'm going to change.

Perfect! No problem. Otherwise you have it in your game, I can give it back to you. So you put them on the table, the green ones, you'll give me five. I always make a mistake in French. I know you're more likely to tell me which one it is. So I hope I didn't make my mistake. You didn't even use the word to make a mistake. We're avoiding the word and you did it. Well, that's it, maybe my brain, I don't remember if I did it, but if I did it, I'm sorry.

I read you very well when you point that out. So here are five. Perfect. So I'll read them to you. You go and choose one, Ariane, and after that I'll choose one. We put that in your game. Then you start with, then you can play with... In family. Yes, you can play in family. What kind of child were you? What is your greatest fear? When I look in the mirror, I see. What is your worst flaw? And which person made a difference in your life?

Oh my god. Ok, and I don't care. I'll choose one. Oh, only one? Yes, and I'll choose one after. Ok. I'll go for... Which person made a difference in your life? I'm going to start with my girlfriend from the last 20 years, Florence, who made a bad difference in my life. It would be impossible not to name the impact of a conjugal life on so many years. How can it lead us to develop, to be confronted.

It's an incredible mirror. It seems that time is passing, and I mean, I'm becoming aware of what it means to go through time alongside someone. A difference in my life, well, to understand myself, to know myself, to be able to face certain unconscious bias of who I am, to try to get out of certain reflexes in the perception that I have of myself, and to understand that, oh, in the eyes of this person, it's something else.

And how to try to evolve together to be a better person. So let's be honest, when I met my blonde, I lived in an apartment here in the MyLand, but it was all in green, a little dirty, the toilet, the smell on the counter. I'm really in a lifestyle, also, well, beginning of career anyway, to say, well, you're a psycho, you're leaving with your suit at 8 o'clock, but maybe you'll listen to Grey's Anatomy a little bit, they'll want you in the lead.

But you're an artist, you know what we have the image of an artist, a little bit bohemian somewhere. Yeah, that's it, a little bit bohemian, and really not in a structure, or in a... with the impression of having also needs somewhere. So all those elements that sometimes at the beginning I found quite confronting. I'm an artist and I wouldn't be in a life like super structured, how am I going to do to be with someone who is... But all those elements, for a long time, I resisted that a little bit as if it were going to take away my freedom, change me and then... You didn't want to be in conformism.

No, that's it. And I didn't want to be told what to do either. But today, it's like all the best, and I think it was also in the opposite direction. I dare hope that there is a certain flexibility that I was able to bring to Florence, but it's like a bad mix, interesting, like a complement. After, sometimes we also fall into the fusion aspects of it. But if we see the possibility of improving our game, precisely, by having the capacity to take what the other has to offer us to develop, well, for me, I think it potential increase our human experience. Did it take you some time to understand that this person became significant?

No, I think that from the beginning of our meeting, it made me think, OK, here's a person who can see me as I am. How did you meet? Introduced, I have to be careful. And that's it, let's start. My blonde is a psychologist. The basis of her work is confidentiality. Oh yes, yes, I understand. You know, like the patients who start listening and who want to know everything about Florence.

So that has always been my possibility and my choice to expose myself intimately in interviews, in walks, because I don't want to reveal too much. I'm not going to be my joker. I understand, but you still walk on eggs. Often, and sometimes it hurts me too because I'm a person who has a certain puddeur, but I'm quite open too and I don't want to be on the defensive. But that also took me some time to understand that. I was like, yeah, it's me, but I understand better that there are some elements that I don't want to reveal about her intimacy.

But we met in the heart, in the head. My second album. A bit in a darker period, where I was like, I was getting back to a previous story, and it was laborious. And she was the one who to her, even after a meeting organized by friends who said, « We should match these two, see what it would do. » From that meeting, she brought me the notion of catharsis, of the ability to sublimate, to be able to get back to more difficult events,

with creation or with... You know, using creation to sublimate and I was like... I was like, I was flinching. I felt that I could really be totally myself with that person. So it was like a rather fervent meeting to say, okay, I feel that in the look of that person, I can be entirely myself with even the most... The most... Yeah, exactly. So that was important. And after that, we had all our...

Our years of long-term relationships with what it means from top to bottom. But there are seasons. I like that you're talking about seasons and harvest. You're a little bit sad about the end. Yes, that's it. Because you know, there are seasons in a relationship. and harvest. It but a bit like in life, and in my album, I see a lot of these paradoxes between pain and joy, and the possibility of doing them a little. So idealizing love as something that should just make us feel good all the time, make us feel better, make us happier, for me, that's with it, sometimes the trail, the... But it's to keep getting to know yourself in there, to go beyond the obstacles.

And I'm not saying it's easy, and that I'm the pro in there. You know, in the attachment, in the commitment, sometimes I have thoughts that go, oh, it's heating up, I'm going to pull myself out. But I think that's my greatest pride, in any case, in time, with this relationship. And it structured you in some way in your daily life. That was the beginning. Yes, that's it. So if you had known before and now, your life would have been different. That's why I chose this question and that I can talk about it.

I would probably change... I'm going to say whatever, but yes, even the idea of family, I mean, deciding to have three children with someone, with a homemaker, I mean, you have to be accompanied by someone who is also capable of... And that person had these natural abilities to say, okay, we still have the structure, but also it's not necessarily a rigidity, it seems, it's not crazy. The mamblon was able to have a lot of fun, but precisely to be able to give up having fun, you still have to have a form of structure. It's a bit of bringing you to your potential. Still, yeah, really. And sometimes it's the blow, we don't know right away. No, no, that's it. But it's true that a minimum of structure, it makes us more productive sometimes.

But clearly, you understood it, and you understood it too. Yeah, that's it. And also, we're not just going to talk about that. But the pleasure of exchanging, you know, someone who has a lot of opinion, a way of seeing things, quite clear for her, a very solid identity, and it's... She always has so much fun discussing things, and questioning them, and sometimes it's confronting. I say that all the time, and I see myself sometimes when you're not okay with me, and I get angry and stuff, but in the end, I tell talking about these elements as being, finally, advantages. Well, because after that, something happens. After that obstinacy...

Yeah, we move forward, we're not indifferent, we don't... Well, yes, because the fact of saying that even if the other is always okay, sometimes he's really okay, you know, I find that expressing oneself with words and emotions... Yeah, that's why I'm not always good at it. Okay, next question! Okay, well, go ahead, what's your worst flaw? Alright, let's move on. Are you wearing red? No, no, that's the green one. What's my worst flaw?

Well, it's funny, you throw me the ball in relation to communication, expression of emotions. I think that sometimes I have trouble expressing my emotional states on the spot, to name quickly emotional states. I think I'm one of those people who...

It reminds me of when I started making music. I went to my room, I went on my piano, I was getting ready. And that's when I had my space for expression, where I could express everything, write, let go. Really, the inner tumult I was living. So I developed like that So I developed like that. I developed like that, to have this place of retreat. And I feel like after that, it's possible that in my relationships too,

it's a reflex, a little bit of a turn-back when it heats up, when we're too much in the dark. It's a little bit of an avoidance, a little bit... The difficulty of immediately just letting go, and then sometimes accumulate, and then make making a little world that is afraid and then it goes wrong. Did it show your vulnerability that is a problem? It's funny because I do it every day in my job. But in your job?

Exactly, but it's not for nothing. What was the basis of your tumult at that time? I grew up, I developed, I think, with a kind of inner spleen. I mean, it wasn't like a chip inside of me, sitting in the cradle, but I realized quickly that I was in a state of sol loneliness, feeling a little out of the world, while being a social, joyful person who adores people, who carves all the people I meet. But a kind of impression of being a little bit on the side of the attract, of having the misery to connect in the world in a certain way. So to have a little bit of a dark side, I often repeat that.

As if to tell people, hey, I'm not just a campfire dresser. I often repeat that. But what you're saying, it's for sure that it resonates. I listen to you and it already resonates with me, and I'm sure it resonates with a lot of people. This aspect of where is my place? I'm there, but when I got to know the political aspect, when I was 15, 16, where I met people like me. I didn't know what people like me were, but people who had a level of commitment felt. But I didn't know it was commitment. You didn't have a lot of feedback. No, I was fine with people, but at the same time, I found it was light. I didn't know where to put myself, so I took refuge in reading.

The great French authors that I read and learned, but I didn't know who to exchange with. So when you finish by saying, okay, we can use, we can learn, we can help, it resonated with me. You, it's in the music that you found that. Really, and sometimes it's a big gap between the impression, someone who develops a high potential in something, I don't know, it's that he's going to be a high level athlete, but that finally, in other aspects, you know, there's like a gap. It's softer there, yeah. It's softer.

Well, I know, I have the impression that I am over-investing this space and perform a lot. Did you like being in this space? My space of creation, refuge. A space that was darker. Yes, I think we built a little cabin of that. We'll maybe look for something in there, a safe place, even if it's dark.

There's still something where we recognize ourselves, where we can go back. It's the complexity that makes it so that you can recognize yourself, where you can turn around. And it's all the complexity that makes it so that you're in the middle of vicious circles. Because, look, I'm going to go to my cabin. It's a familiar area. That's right. You know your cabin. Exactly.

At the same time, you know, as I was talking about love relationships, the important thing is to embrace all the zones. Well, this cabin allows me to be in phase with sometimes certain suffering, with the idea that everything is not perfect. And it's sure that it also fuels the creation and keeps me in touch with... But that's it, you just have to be able to name it at some point and then break down some cycles of when it warms up. But you still have that reflex. Yes, I can say that's it. We come back to my flaws. Sometimes I would like to learn better, to express how I feel, and not see it too big.

And to be able to evacuate things and to live in the trust of the other that it will be well received and to be more up to date. Do you tend to have your glass half empty or half full? Half full. Really, it's not a cassette, I mean, for me, it's the number of privileges accumulated that I have, with which I have the chance to navigate in my life, will always make me see the glass half full. It's more than half full. And the fact of withdrawing yourself, is that where your big moments of creativity are? I think so. I think it's a space. That's what I developed. It's a suburb.

It's an engine. Yes, it's an engine. And it's also a way to remind myself that I can be true, that I can be in contact with everything I have that is most vulnerable, and it becomes the space where I can really have, take contact fundamentally with who I am and with the parts of me. So that's it, it's my place where I developed my truth, finally. You know, when you look at people, especially when you're younger, teenagers, feel like they've found everything. They're everywhere. But when you talk to people, you realize that we've all had these moments where it seems like we're not on the same highway as everyone else. We're like in the crossroads. How come they're still there?

But it's the perception we often have. Yeah, that's true. And I think we're in an era where we democratize much more the issues of mental health, the issues of the difference in how we feel and what we project. That's good because it allows us to connect on that, to say, hey, during that period of my life, I wasn't on the highway, I was on the gravel road. And you, yes, you were at that moment. And then, whoop, all of a sudden, I just want to say all the time, we open our game. Yes, but it makes the difference because to feel, you know, to release that, there are some who have the guilt of feeling like that, and to say how I'm going to be like the others. But if we say to ourselves as we are, we're going to stop wanting to be like the others. Well, yes, exactly, because we're going to realize that the other one is also looking for it.

That's right, he's looking for it, so it might not be in the same place, but at one point, you know, there are some who told me, I liked the expression I heard in the Bas Saint-Laurent, when the chain lands, you know, sometimes when you pedal, it goes well, the chain lands, everything stops at the same time, you don't have a choice, you have to, you don't have a choice to repair, but that's also something we have to learn how to repair. You have to learn to say, OK, do I want to go back? What do I have to do? Or am I still walking next to my bike? Sometimes it's also correct. Yellow level, can you give me four please? You will answer one and going to choose one more in the yellow level. Ok. It took me some time to feel like everyone. You know what you were saying earlier?

Yeah, yeah. It's crazy that you're talking about reading, because it's my... Me too. It's really a place... I'm a little bit bulimic about reading, and I feel like even today, it's another kind another refuge that feeds me. You know, you can be anywhere, you open your book and you arrive in another universe. That's a pity. And you're the only one living it. Oh no, I also read... We're running a book club.

Well, we also have a digital platform and we have a reading club, you could almost be part of it. We have a Guylaine Tremblay, Sophie Prigent and Maude Guerin. Wow! And we chose a book. We have a Guylaine Tremblay, Sophie Prigent and Maude Guérin. We chose a book. Guylaine already talked about it. We were looking for a nice sister and she came to talk about a book. We meet the author and the girls, these three actresses. When you decide to read the excerpt of a book, I'm like, oh boy!

It gives another dimension. But the rest, I think, is the activity that is the least expensive. You can go to the library, but a book... And you can still stimulate intellectually, or in your heart, it's not necessary to read everything except the snob, what to read and what not to read. But it allows you to keep a kind of activity, curiosity. With very young children, I had never seen anything like it, I was so excited. And it was my way of staying a little bit... To nourish the universes of others, as you say.

That's really nice. Could you write a book? Listen, I don't know, I don't think that the long breath of the novel, to develop the plot, the characters, all that more annoying side, I don't think I have that in me, but I think a shorter writing, like, sometimes I tell myself about poetry, shorter essays, because I'm crazy about words, I would like that. Maybe one day, a little poetry collection. Yes, that's for sure. Here are your questions on the yellow level. What was the category again? It's starting to be more personal.

That's it, that's more general. What did maternity bring you? What did you not receive from your parents and who missed you? What do people reproach you most often? What traits of character did you inherit from your father? Oh wow! So one! Yes. Well, I've already talked about the structure here. I'm going to go with what I've heard from my parents.

But all the freedom of the world, for example. What did maternity bring me? Even if I don't know, I'm going to freestyle a little bit, psychologically. Well, it's because it's so central. It's so central in my life. I've always wanted to have children. I was the warden of the neighborhood who was going to make his life at the Italians' house. When I got home from school, I was there. I integrated into the family, in the backyard. I've always wanted to be a mother.

Homosexuality made it a reality as a project, but at one point it made me wonder how I was going to realize that. Will it be possible? The journey of motherhood is a mirror, once again, so frank, it's going to be possible. And the journey of maternity, it's a mirror, again, so frank, that allows you to face

all your flaws, all your desires, all... It's so raw, like the possibility of eating the slaps in the face, and like, the possibility to eat slapstickers, and like in the emergency, always, to make choices, to educate, to learn how to create the link.

These are things that are learned in the living. And I told you about a fundamental relationship that allows you to develop, but children, there's no filter, you'll have it in front of you. I don't know, I express it with a certain violence, because there's something violent in there. There's something... Destabilizing.

So much. And you know, I remember when twins were born, I had an existential crisis in the relationship with my blonde, I was like, I'm going to give them all my flaws too. Am I going to be able to do that? Because if I were their mother, they would also irritate me with all my wave zones, with everything I don't have. It gave me an extreme vertigo. It seemed like I had the idea of ​​maternity and family. We all know it. If we knew what it represents, we would have less photos.

So quickly, it's like what you thought wasn't it. That's it, it was much deeper, it was much more engaging, it was much more confronting. I'm tired! I don't know, I'm just picking up the card. And it's her who's in the center. This crossing is so rich. The level of love, yes, we're talking about it, but it's like the level of difficulty that it implies to be a good enough parent, as psychologists say. Yes, or just good enough mother. But say. Good enough mother. Exactly, but this principle is important. I didn't talk about parental performance,

and all the little kits, and the 40,000 classes, and the perfect way to do a lunch and a cup. For me, it's good enough, it really understands the relationship in education, the link to create with children, and how to do it in a not worse way. So what it brought me, so I'm trying to come back a little, basically it's a humility in relation to this role, to the point where it's

super tough and that precisely the notions of performance in there, I quickly tried to break that down and just say, I'm going to try to cross that as best I can. And it brought me a force of love that has nothing to do with singing on a stage and getting applauded. That comes to solidify something in the identity, that comes to seal the notion of family, bring something that is stored in the arm of your arm in every night you wake up, in every little lunch you make, in every little gesture of your daily life that is routine, that is not glamorous, that is dirty, that is like sometimes like... But it's love for every gesture like that, and that's priceless. It's a great privilege. And you can't run away.

That's why I started saying it's violent sometimes. You have to face it. And it doesn't stop. It's a train that goes. It's a bad crossing. And two, having twins on the way. You mentioned it. It's still, to know parents who have twins, especially for the first pregnancy, where everything is new, it's a news. If it works.

who after six months wanted to go to the studio to make music too. In the sense, first of all, I was like, I was used to doing a little partying, you know, alcohol, it was like... I worked, I've always been... At one point, the twins, the siestas, the nights, just physically, I couldn't, I had to change my life habits, try to find sleep where I can, structure myself, organize myself to be able, emotionally, to do that too. So these are changes that bring an adjustment in everyday life. And after that, I can't stop thinking about the night when I was able to do it. Like, Flo, I wouldn't be able to do it. It's too tough. I wouldn't be able to do it. Flo, I wouldn't be able to do it. It's too hard. I wouldn't be able to do it.

What? You want us to put them in an empty bag? When you say you can't do it, you gotta go on. But for many, this step of realizing that there is no way out, you have to be present. And we know that the first need of a baby is security. You have to be there to feed him, change him. You can't be elsewhere. But at the same time, that's what makes us grow too. It's too much. As you say, adversity, but love. It's very complex, but you also have to stop idealizing all of this. Yes. And to create expectations. I thought it would bring me... It's a bit like love. Yes, it will bring you, but it's a little bit of a crossroads.

We're there and we're trying to do with all these dances... You're still in the crossroads. Yes, I'm still there. Until she was a little less hardcore. I'm going a little hot, but we're happy. What you wouldn't have done necessarily all the time. I don't know. All the time, weekends, staying with the three kids. I lived a lot of guilt in this conciliation. All my career. I never stopped making albums, but I always found it really difficult to share this kind of inequality,

which is a lot of work in the spring, but it's not in the same moments, it's not the evenings, the weekends. We expect someone who works all the time to taste it sometimes, that the weekend is not my favorite part, and that I'm still with the three of them. So that's always been tough, but yes, it's not over, on who's been hit by a car. There's a lot more, but there are discussions, there are much less routines where you don't always have to... I say that, but you still have to remember your teeth and go to school. There's more autonomy in their part. And what does it bring you to be a mother?

It brings me... I said that, and we still have to remember our teeth and go to school. And there's more autonomy in their part. Really, yeah. And what does it bring you to be a mother? Well, it brings me pride. It brings me... Hey, it's so funny how we know it brings us something, but when it's really time to name it concretely, it's difficult. A sense of belonging to something that builds up every moment of my life,

but that brings you the impression of having your own clan, of having these human people around you, where there's something stronger than anything, or that you're... Is it selfish? I don't know, but it's sensations of shared pleasure in small moments, of... I don't know, something that you write as a career goal. It's little joys that come out in very simple moments. And I don't forget the little shit too. No, that's it. But at the end, we keep the little joys. Yeah, that's true. Otherwise, we wouldn't make three feet.

And I think that at this point, we have to look at our photos, because we always take photos when things are going well. It's true that we take the photo, it seems to me that it's the time to catch the big ones. When it's going bad, it doesn't appear in the photo. Yes, that's it. There's always something, when we go to the sugar hut. There are memories like that, it feels good because there are times when it's more difficult. And there is a sit-down in the family.

Yes, that's it. An out-rout. And an impression of being totally you too. I mean, my kids see me as I am. They see me impatient sometimes, and really nasty and funny. They really see who I am. They'll say what they want, even if I'm an authentic person. I mean, publicly, I still have my face, Dariane Moffat, singer,

not making my coffee and peeing with my kids. It's pure. I learn to know them as they are and try to be as possible, to feel who they are as they are, and to recognize that, either to value it or to have conversations to help them develop in the most difficult parts. And you know, at the relational level, it's a mine. It's a mine to learn to know the little human beings that you've put in the world and to see how they are. And quickly, we see the distinction, how they are, the essence. Like a little starting five, we are five. You can't know more people than that.

It's a privilege to see a grown-up person and say, I've had this in my life. I left when I was little and I grew up. There are people who have been tutors for me, but it seems that reliving that with your children is still a witness to the miracle of life. What else is more important than that? Seriously. That's so much. But at the same time, I say that as a preacher, but I understand so much about people who don't want children. Also.

Just to be clear. so many people who don't want children. Also. Just to be clear. And that too, because you bring up that topic, but that's a choice. That's it. Because it's always uncomfortable to ask someone, do you want children? But you just have to accept that the answer can be no, but the question can also be asked because it's part of the choices we have, and for several reasons we can decide that there will be no children. But we're still in this image, especially if you're in a relationship, that the next step is a baby.

Yeah, but it still has to change. It has to change. We can ask the question, but if the person says no, why? Why isn't necessary, but sometimes it can be out of curiosity. All the pressuring aspects of social, we have to get rid of that. I really understand people who don't want children or who can't want to take their voice and say, hey, it's legitimate, and there are reasons. Anyway, when we over-idealize, as I said earlier, we're in the field, I mean, we can have very good reasons not to want children. Well, I have a friend who can't, she tried all the methods, and it didn't work, and it was very difficult for her, psychologically, physically.

And what she finds hard is that her husband goes somewhere, into the family, but it comes to her. And every time, for her, it's a reminder that it wasn't possible. It's nothing harder, seriously. And if you don't want it, it's like, why? It's complex. So you have to let people be free. As you say, it's a challenge. Having a child, sometimes someone tells me in an interview one day,

I'll never have a child because I don't want to share my hereditary problems with him. And you say, what do you answer to that? There's something about it that we don't have to judge. But that's it. So, as you say, there are several reasons why we're not obligated to... Very valid. Exactly. It doesn't make us a less valid person. No, exactly. What traits of character did you inherit from your father? Impatience. The impulsive side. I was talking to you about the explosion. My father is as much in the fun as...

Yeah, I have memories of... Damn, yeah, okay. He's at 10'8 now. You know? He's under the sun. Yeah, a little bit. And I imagine, you know, a generation where... Oh, what am I doing with this? You know?

Swish your steak! Hi dad. Is your father authoritative? Yes, his authority was passed by a voice that rises, and a more... more bubbling side. So I say I inherited that. Still.

In the regulation, eh, an impatience. Do you recognize your father at that moment? Yes, sometimes I see him and I see him in his thing, he's throwing a table to open it for dinner and I'm like, there's no problem! We have to be patient right now. So yes, I recognize it by seeing it and by getting older and being a mom and everything. I see that I got that chip. Do you have the impression that when you're tired or when it's not going well, we can recognize it by the theme of your voice?

I don't know, because I don't want to start trembling with my voice or lose control. But not like... Yeah, a little bit of a torque. Yeah, it's to have a more direct tone. Yeah, it's sure that all the notion of impatience and anger goes away. Because I have a mother who looks like your father. It's funny because I find that since you lost, I recognize myself a lot. And I had to be aware of that at some point because I heard my mother. Her way of being when it wasn't going. But that's not me, you understand? I learned that it's like that. When it didn't go, you lift the tone and everyone sits down. And at some point, you see in the eyes of your children, you say, boy, that's really not what I was looking for. I didn't want to put fear in it.

While I lived it. When I was younger, I was like, okay, I won't bother. But it was necessary. And even sometimes, it's like primitive in my home. That's what's going to happen first, because that's what I learned. But to understand me, if I didn't have this influence, what would I be? And at the same time, to understand the influence we have on our children. Really. So many things happened in my self-analysis, in my head, to observe myself. But it speaks a lot about us.

It's interesting to say, ok, that's what I have, but where does it come from? And how? And it can be a little clear, because we always have as children, it's the impression that it's not our parents, it's us, and we're like that. And without putting the burden on the parents, we are ourselves, so we will also transmit less fun things to our children, but it's a big chain. And when we question it and we look at it it helps us to target that it's not all our fault. There are reasons and paths that are made. And our parents come from elsewhere too.

That's right. We're back in Rialt. So it's interesting to say, ok, I inherited that from my father, do I want it to be the same all the time? And to be aware of it and to see it again, to do that too. Yes, exactly. Yes, it's interesting. And we keep working on it.

No, but it's reflective, it comes back. Well, do you manage to manage that? Well, yes. Not the choice. Well, you have to manage the vocals. For me, it's the vocals. It's a lot of voices. I'm almost at the end of the line.

Give me your angry mode. But I always... When I was young, that's what I heard. It was the voice that was rising. It wasn't the gestures. It was the voice that was rising. Oh! Okay, but this... Fire a little.

But this... You know, when you're a child and it happens, it's not all fun. Because it's scary. Well, yes, that's it. And then you say, I don't want to do what I found difficult. And that's when the work starts. And that's when I think children make us grow. Because, you know, you said, they put a mirror there. Exactly. Because if there's a crisis, you come back from that, and you're like,

Oh, my God, what just happened? You're there, in front of them, with little eyes that are like, let's see, Mom. What are you doing with that? You can't just close the hood and continue. You're confronted. Yeah, you have to get out, you have to talk about it. Absolutely. But we were coming back to it earlier, we said, elements that are similar, but also like,

sometimes it's a service. I didn't learn to express it either. So, when it comes out, it comes out strong. Anger also comes from, maybe, the... The accumulation. And it's shocking, the accumulation. Because you want to... You don't even know that you've accumulated.

But it's because sometimes, for the other, let's say in the couple, if the other receives that, you say, but why didn't you tell me before? Because then it's like, okay, every time I did something that was bothering you, I didn't know, I could have modified that or talked about it before, but it's true that it's difficult. It's a bit unfair, but even when you live a irritant, sometimes you don't even say, ok, I should say it, because if I say it every time, it's going to be disgusting too. So when we have the capacity to adapt, we do it with a little, and then you realize, sometimes, it's not to take responsibility, but sometimes you don't even know how much you've accumulated.

But do you have a great capacity for adaptation? Yes, I've developed a bit of a people pleaser. This little world is not always comfortable, but I'm going to be fine, and I'm going to be a fun person for people. It's one of the coping or a way of being that is also a strength because I will arrive in a TV show or a radio show, if it's going to be a sphery, I'm going to be a chameleon, I'm going to feel a little bit how it's going to be, and it's going to be fun to connect and all that. But during that time, I adapted a lot to the outside environment, but maybe less to my needs and to my limits, to me.

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Well yes! I was saying, because I always do an intro before the guest arrives, and I was saying, you know, when I saw you at Rivière-du-Loup, you were with Daniel Belanger. I remember, I was like, who is this girl? Because you're very expressive on stage. I didn't see Daniel anymore, which I like, but I saw you on the keyboard. Last time you told me you weren't a music director. I saw you as a music director. For me, you were on the keyboard, you sang, you made the choirs. I was jumping with Mathieu. It was her who was managing all that.

And you were in your early twenties. Really. Yes, it was the beginning of 2002, more or less. I started to follow. I said, OK, but who is this? I wanted to, I was hungry. I think it was following my head everywhere. You gave me the option. But it was beautiful at the same time.

We weren't in cynicism, you know. We were in pleasure. Exactly. You were in the game. You were in the?icism, we were in the pleasure. Exactly, the end of the game. And Daniel, you were confident. Yes, but it didn't make sense. We really connected. There was something about a mentor, but also about a friend.

It was six beautiful years, about two years. I quickly did the first parts, and we were always on the road together, and he's such a funny guy, with who to joke around. Let's say it was a good start to have that beautiful part. He saw your talent and said, I'm going to work with him. He trusted me, it didn't cost anything. He gave me three. It was extraordinary. Three, let's go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was extraordinary. Ok, three. Let's go. One, two, three.

Thank you very much! To what profound need does your lover answer? What is your biggest source of insecurity? Have you neglected certain aspects of your life? Oh, ok! And what is it? You choose one. We answer one question at this point. Shit off. I don't know what to say.

I have a little bit of a crush on the fourth one. Oh yeah? Oh yeah, that kind of game. We change the rules, we like that. Oh! What's the question? What's your relationship with death? What's your relationship with death? Sorry. Okay, I think that's it.

It's going to be what's your relationship with death. Perfect. Because it's going to allow me to think. Often it's by talking that we discover what we have inside, but I live a kind of feeling of... how to say... when we were talking about half-empty glass, full, and big privileges, I haven't lived a grief close to my life precious being and going through that test. And I find that... it makes me question myself because I tell myself, my God, it's going to be hard.

But it seems that in my career and with the great, great chance of having music as a tool, I was able to bring a little, in moments of people who lived through great tragedies, I was able to bring my musical presence in certain moments. And I always tell myself, see this as a chance to get closer to this sacred ground, which is the passage from life to death. So to sing, for example, at the funeral of a child who died of a disease, to have the possibility to go to the grave, to sing in a certain people who are not me who live it, and to amadou this idea of this passage that is super. I find that this notion that we evince death, we hide it,

death should really be more in life. We should try so hard to learn to amad it, maybe, a little bit more of our living to be able to face it one day. It seems like I'm trying to do that in my daily life, to try not to see it as terror. As if I was telling myself, I have to prepare myself, and I didn't have in my life, through the big eyes, how do I prepare myself and how do I invite this notion of death in life. But when you had your children, did the fear of dying become more accentuated? Like a loss of concern somewhere, I live my life, but at some point, what will happen if I disappear? Yes, I remember the first moments with the twins, I took the plane and I was like, hey, it's crazy, I feel it all at once, I had this fear that I had never had before,

but you bring me back to the birth of my George. I had a preeclampsia, and he was born, and it didn't go well at all. It was a little sheep of the canton, because it was declared when I was in the estuary in the chalet. I found myself lying down in Sherbrooke. I'm the opposite of the hypocrisy. So I was like, there's a problem, he's wrong, I don't have a pressure as high as that. And then he was born, and there were problems, he had a respiratory infection, and it didn't go at all. And maybe that's when I caught more than, oh my God, I give life, and it's't going at all. And maybe that's when I realized that, oh my God, I'm giving life and it's so fragile.

And in the end, things are set. Even for you, it would be dangerous. Really, I didn't even see myself. So you're the kind of person who's a little harder when you have to convince yourself that you're sick. Oh yeah, but we always find that I lessen events, that I'm more of for revisions of reality. I was always in the mood for events, for revisions of reality. I was always in the mood for events, for revisions of reality.

So you went to the hospital yourself at that time? I took my shot of the chalet. Because I had to go to Montréal to do the end of pregnancy pressures, a bit like a routine appointment. And my doctor told me, look, go to the pharmacy near the chalet to take your pressure, because we won't see each other. And then I listened to Handmade Steal at the time. The Nantes and Carola. Yes, exactly. And there were scenes.

And then we came to the twin party and I had visions of myself. It was like, what would happen if I fell to the ground? I felt like I was inflated, as if I had visions of myself. I was like, what would happen if I fell on the ground? I felt like I was swollen, as if I had a month and a half left of pregnancy. And I was thinking, I can't get to the end. We're in the beginning of July. And I went to the pharmacy and my blood pressure was like red paper.

And then my doctor said, you go to the nearest hospital. And I took my car alone. And I was in front of the flower. I even got wrong about the hospital. There are two in Sherbrooke. I got there and the doctor said, the intravenous, I forgot the product to control the pressure and avoid an ACV. I was like, you get out of here and you're going to sleep here in the next few days. I had a beautiful pregnancy. I felt like I had a cockle, I was so thirsty.

But I had a beautiful pregnancy and it ended like that. Maybe it's the greatest awareness of, Oh my God, it can stop now. The fragility. The fragility. The fragility, exactly. And your little George, how many weeks was he born? 33 and a half, with a 4.11. The weight was a little stopped when the preeclampsia reached the possibility of being pregnant.

But it stops feeding the baby. I knew he would be small, but he was very small. There was really lot of help. And then we were transferred to Montreal. Things got better. I'll never forget my song, I go back to Montreal. The nurse and the nalo had put him in the ambulance during the transfer. I was lucky to be physically in the ambulance.

When it started, there was a sound like this. I just saw that I couldn't listen to the song in the same way since then. And he was in an incubator at that time. Exactly. A transfer. Did you fear losing him after birth? It seemed that Flo was trying to do some interventions, and it didn't work. She really saw it as a close friend. I ended up in Césarienne with the epidural.

You were less present. I was less present to feel the effects and to associate that. I was well past that. It can and to associate them. I was well over the top. It can be rock and roll. It's fast. It's fast and your body is completely... The products for preeclampsia, lipidural, caesarean... Name it!

I was vulnerable. Like never before. And the services, the care... Because the media also released George's birth, because someone, a journalist, called it... You know, that was also a challenge for me. I couldn't announce it myself. I had canceled a show with an symphony orchestra.

I'm talking about it today. You know, there were a lot of elements. I had played with the orchestra and then, fuck, obviously, I was at the hospital. But anyway, a lot of things happened, played with their case and Focke. Obviously, I was at the hospital. Anyway, a lot of things happened, but I felt so well taken care of. There was a nurse we kept in touch with. She came to see me in person. Sonia, who took George's care too. Who had finally made a little tattoo with her heartbeat.

That's when we see how we can really be taken care of with a lot of affection by the health staff. Yeah, and it changes the whole experience. Really. Because, as you say, you were in a great moment of vulnerability. And your little George too. Exactly. You pulled your lips together and tried to walk to go to the colostrum.

It's a journey, my dear. I can't come back. Cheers to all the women who have gone through this. And how many weeks after you arrived at your place? About three weeks of hospitalization. Maybe two and a half weeks. Hospitalization. Yes, about a week. And to be able to transfer, you had to have a certain level of stability and weight. Once we arrived at the hospital, the breathing was more autonomous. We were literally placed like this.

In less than a week, we were at home. When everyone was at home, how did you feel? Listen, I can tell you about those states. Even when the baby is in the hospital, and you're with the others, it seems that even the notion of light, of air outside, everything is a little different. When you're in this kind of great vulnerability, and it makes me think a lot about people who live in big dramas, whether it's neonatal, long-term, you know, George was at the limit of his prematurity, he had complications, but all the people who live with a close friend who is very sick, the notion of reality itself changes, the sun is not the same, your perceptions, your skin color, and you're aware of everything, much more. You're aware of this reality, of every little detail, of the sun on your skin.

Everything is different and precious. It seems to me that's what I felt. Because death was close. That's it. Exactly. And when you find yourself and everything is right, it's also like, my God! We got away well, or what a chance to be there, or... Everything we build in our heads with the little hamster that takes care of our thoughts, it's like it's going to be a while... There's nothing else anymore. It's just that we're there and it's going to be alright.

And let's hope, you know, but do you understand what I mean? It looks like we're just becoming in a way, or in reaction mode, where there's no other space than to be aware of what's happening at the moment. And to worry about someone else as much as possible. For this little being. And hormones after that, and the feeling of not having been, you know, like, having missed little bit failed his business, you know, it's like... Can we talk about that? Yes! No, because there are several, several women who, even a cesarean birth, you know, my

aunt had told me, you're lucky, you had a baby, and I was like, but you had two children, I think you had to give birth, but she told me, but I was a cesarean, but I had never realized that for some, a cesareésarine was like a failure. I was like, hey, no, but my son-in-law, I had put him to bed later than you. I was 34 weeks and 3 days, but it remains that you had the feeling unique story of his coming to the world, to Georges, is unique, it's him. And I kiss everything about it because it's his story. And seriously, and sincerely, I love everything about it, because it was him, it was us. And after that, in the idea of... I often have sentences like, « Is it normal? »

The normality, like the majority, through their birth, maybe they will give birth in Caesarean, breastfeeding. Well, it was fast for us twins because Paul was in a chair, that it was going to be a cesarean birth. Listen, we're stuck. We have like, children, they're there, they're beautiful, they're fluffy,

they've been there for 40 weeks. But it's sure that when you arrive in the emergency, okay, we provoke you, and the pitocin doesn't cause enough... Contraction. ... enough contraction. But I felt my contractions, I was up to 6 cm dilated before I said, okay, I'm going to go to bed again naturally. It's just that at some point, it's because of this induction, too much time has passed since you've been in your zone, and boom, here we go.

All of this rationalizes itself, but it's sure that afterwards I'm like, I didn't know that. This passage, we talk about life, we talk about death, this passage by low voice. And at the same time, I'm hyperfeminist, and the pressure of the allotment, I experienced it afterwards, like, my God, that's it or it's nothing. I don't want to know anything about those pressures that we can receive to say that it's just bullying that will work. Excuse me, do you have any cheekbones? Anyway, don't get mad at me. You have the right to get mad at me. No, but I'm going to say that there are too many concepts about it.

There is a lot of external pressure. Exactly. But yes, it's a part of me that says, why didn't I have this path of a woman who gives birth, it's long and it ends up going. I questioned myself on what made me do a pre-clampsi. I was playing Jean Leloup's Violette at 40°C in Francophonie a week before on the drums. So you were still looking for reasons. Yes, exactly. There's no real alteration. Sometimes, when it's boys, maybe by fécondation, also by assisted procreation, it can increase chances. But it's not something that is very documented.

The clear reason for a preeclampsia and all that. But yes, I was still looking for reasons. What did I do? Why me? Is it something? Did I retain something? So yeah, we keep asking ourselves questions as if we had a responsibility. You said it, there's the hormonal rise, the hormonal drop, the hormonal rise. There are all these hormones that come to play. Oh my God, what a mess. It's so messy when you come home and you say that, it's... Oh no, it's hard to... It's hard to... But we're talking about it more and more, about all that, you know, about postpartum,

about challenges faced by women, legitimate, that it's not something taboo, shameful anymore. Yes, and that we observe. You know, the person who lives it, but also when we are in the environment, that we have this responsibility to say, okay, she has a lot in her court. You know, the blaming sentences, facing what we should do, they don't need to be heavy in meaning, when you have a hormonal imbalance. It has an impact. It's clear. My daughter just gave birth, it hasn't been that long.

There were some difficulties because Henri has intolerances. And what he did was that he didn't take any weight. You quickly feel guilty because it's my breastfeeding. You understand, it's not there. It's not there, the problem is elsewhere. But my God, it's my breastfeeding. Do you understand? When it's not there. It's not there, the problem is elsewhere. But my God, it's hard. We're mothers, protectors. We think that everything is between us and the child.

And I mean, we put so much responsibility to give already, to be in the unknown. And to have to ensure the survival of a little being. It's sure that we don't check if it's the fault of the neighbor. We have this very feminine tendency sometimes. Did you think about having other children? No!

Seriously, I have reproduced the pattern, not the pattern, but the matrix of my family. I am the baby of three. The fact that we were two moms and we wanted to carry both. In some families, it's like, no, I don't want to be pregnant, but I was like, both of us wanted to. So we went a little bit in chronological order of age and fertility to say in what order we did that. But it was me who really wanted a third one already. And after that, no, our capacity was exceeded. The sentences, the third one, is rising alone.

Monsieur, Dame, it's not the reality. I've been told that a lot. When I'm in the 5th of July, you don't realize it, it's rising alone. It hasn't happened yet. I don't know when the 22nd is rising alone. These are the kind of phrases, Valise, Creuse, as if it applied to everyone.

Just the car, it was like it was applied to everyone. Just the car was already complex, it's three of them. But I've always liked it. At three, I said to myself, my parental capacity is reached. Exactly. That's why I answer you spontaneously. But right now, I watch a lot. It's like the whole notion that when children grow up, you watch the age groups as much as you do. It's been 3 years since I've seen dolls in my life. And now I see little babies.

Hey, it's not going anywhere. It's going, but you're a grandmother. So I would have said, maybe it's going to live there. But it's not going anywhere. The pleasure of seeing, taking, and then... Oh, gg, gg, gg. And then it's like, no, no, no, no. But I'm back for the first time.

Like, if you take a bite, it's probably too much cake. I didn't even want to see that. I've got enough distance to be like, oh my god. But we have a Bengal cat, Collette. Oh, that one who doesn't have to talk. They're still expressive cats, Bengal cats. They look like our daughter. And we have my compensate with her. But you just said something. You had worn...

You had each of your sizes. And earlier you said, well, I wanted children, but my homosexuality is starting to... And then, finally, is it like a plus to be able to wear each of the children? You tell me that, and I find it exciting, as a principle to know that both know that within the same couple. It's unique. When I do the accumulation of elements that make our family unique, having twins, bringing everyone a big breast, there are lots of elements that are very, very, very rare. You know, the parent family is already 0.8% of the society. We have a lot to say, hey, it's fun, it's fun, there are more and more of them, and everything, it's still extremely rare.

So I find it still magical, our family setup, which is self-created and which has not many, many references, that we don't cross all these elements,, we don't often meet all these elements. So is it better or not? It's tripping, it's rich to be able to live with each other. I remember the first pregnancy, it was like I was pregnant. I connected so much to pregnancy. So to have also lived that, to be next to someone pregnant and then to live it,

it's sure that it's really... it's unique. And after that, I know that there are lots of dads who would have also wanted to live that experience. And do you become like a source, an example or inspiration for other couples you know? I think that I hear a lot about lesbian women who want families. That yes, we have played a bit of a trick in the public sphere. It's not that there are a lot of them either. I keep saying that Catherine Levac copied me, who made her own copycat, who had her own hair too, and that her manager and my sister, my manager, we did a little stand-up not long ago, at the show of the Gris-Moréal Foundation.

We have an audio that comes with it. Really? No, on the phone, you're funny, you would have been so funny, you would have been so... But she came here, Catherine LeVac, to talk about it. I think, maybe you'll say, we're not going there, but even your parents, when they knew you were lesbian, did they say, would I have little children, Daryanne, who she wants children? Do these questions come? Because there is something, there is a step to be taken, sometimes it can be an extra step. And finally, you have three, it's been extraordinary, I imagine, for them too. Yes, really. I lived, especially my mother, in a kind of welcome, at the height of her, the height of her heart, her phrase, a little distorted,

of Calais-les-Gibrants who always says, I put three beautiful children in the world, but they don't belong to me, they belong to life. And every anniversary we repeat that, and it's a bit like that that she put us in the world, and raised us, and that too, it was to the height of that, it's like, who are you, who do you want to be, I love you wholeheartedly. So, did you ever have a transition? Or have you always been like, I mean, for example, your homosexuality, I don't know at what age you said clearly, that's what I am. Did it take a long time between that moment and the moment you talked about it with your mother? Well, listen, today we're talking about all the nomenclatures of identity, and the possibility of fluidity, and all those terms that allow us to put a word on who we are.

But me, it's for sure that I had a lover, that I was considered bisexual, that it wasn't... It wasn't black or white? Oh no, really not. Really not. And I think that somewhere in my nature, it could have been bisexuality, the term. Today I consider myself a lesbian and I'm not afraid of words either. I made my life with my wife and it's clear. But it was long, it was long, it wasn't very clear to me before. And that's what made my coming out come in 2012.

But I wasn't able to show myself knowing, living inside me, a form of internalized homophobia. A form of... All the gender you're talking about. That's why today, when we talk about... Well, we're talking about recluse at the moment about LGBTQ rights and homophobia,

but sometimes for people outside, it's like, yes, there's nothing there, it's easy, everyone can be who they want, and I don't have a problem with that. But do you know what each person who has to do the acceptance or the process and is coming out, do you know what's happening inside? It's not because we say that everything is beautiful, that it removes the intensity of this assumption and this acceptance for people who identify themselves in one way or another. I find that sometimes it's a bit hypocritical the impression of sending social messages that minimize what it can represent for them, because they have made their way to say,

I accept my cousin being a lesbian and all, but it doesn't mean that during that time, there is still a lot of difficulty experienced for people who have to assume themselves as they are. It's not easy, always. So that's it. It hasn't been very hidden in my family, in my friends, even when I started my albums. I was very clear in my personal life, but I found that my blonde helped me a lot.

Groups like the Spread the Word, the new generation that became more complex, that politicized homosexuality. That really got me in the ass. And did something change after you announced it? Because you did it publicly, it was everyone talking about it. Exactly. You said you were going to do it. Yes, yes, yes, it changed everything.

You know, I wouldn't have... You put little Ariane in front of you, before that I would have been much more worried. In the interview, I had the impression, are we going to talk about this? I talked about it, I was going to do Nagui Taratata that day. He had me out in the waves, while it seemed like I hadn't noticed that the internet was traveling.

I had just done my coming out in Montreal, but in my French career, I hadn't made it there. I didn't know what I wanted to put forward. And then you say, Ariane, last time you did it. And then, poof, Without talking about it before. In a hurry, in the biggest promo, you can't imagine. No, but it was incredible. I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready. It's like in the universe's direct, almost.

It's like a show of Perfaux, but international, where you can meet at Ned O'Connor at the same time you're doing your turn. It's crazy, huh? Yeah, so that, it had me in a rush. I found it hard not to have brought it either before, listen, we're going to talk about this, are you comfortable? And then I tweeted afterwards, I can't believe I did

a mile to come and do it, you know, without my consent. Today, I tell myself, well, there was a part of me who was just not ready. Was it bad at that point? But I found that it lacked delicacy. Fineness. Fineness, exactly. And it was your private life.

Yes, it's big. Especially a few years ago. Did the look of others change at that time? It was so liberating. It was so liberating. And it's true that in that idea of my retention, I had the idea of not wanting to be labeled as the lesbian singer of Quebec. Because I am... my sexual orientation is a part of who I am. And it's... I mean, it's not everything I am. And it's like anyone in life. Our intimate sphere is a part of who we are. But I had the impression that we were going to make a tender and it didn't tempt me.

But it was such a beautiful return. I remember I was singing and I had also announced the twins. It was really a great... A great observation of the human warmth also of the Quebecer, and a public one. And to feel that people were happy for me. And it also set me free to be whole in an interview. To not have calculations like, I'm not going to be at ease, I'm going to live something if we go there.

And in my creation, and in my global ease, I would say. When I see you and you talk about your family, for me, the emotion, what I feel is sweetness. There's something fluid in all of this. And it's good for everyone. But I can imagine that if there are some who retain, who camouflage, you want to say, well, if I took off this mask, I might have access to it. Yes, yes, completely. But it's a good thing.

In relation to the children, it was out of the question that I help out with a parent-child project, and that I didn't play entirely. I mean, just for my children, you can't have a parent who has half of, who are drawing from their life. So that was also fundamental. I was going to say something else, but... In any case, we must not back down on that field. Hey, no. That's why I'm on all fronts right now. I just did the music for an emergency campaign on the allies. The importance of the allies, people outside the LGBTQ community. Fundamentally, you want to see a hockey player backing an homosexual person,

you want to see people who are associated with heteronormativity, to be present and behind the community, so it's a nice campaign. That's it. I may not have always been very politicized in my role, in relation to art and politics. I wasn't always very politicized in my role. For me, art and politics are always a bit touchy. I just want to be sure to feel things when I do them. But now I'm like, wait, it's you. But now you have a level of commitment that is complementary.

Yes, exactly. And that is very, very strong in me. That need to do everything I can to help the cause. Because this violence that young people can suffer at school... Yes, and it continues at home with social media. Exactly. It's still one of the main causes of suicide in Quebec. It doesn't make sense.

In any case, it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense that there's a return. Exactly. Even if five years ago we were there to say wow, it's a little rainbow, everything is beautiful. It's shocking to see the speed with which there was a step back and we have to take care of it. We're back to Eros and company.

Ok. You're there, I'm going to go out. Give me 4 please. I'm looking forward to seeing the level. You can take some water if you want. I'm going to have to see the level. You can take some water if you want. I'm going to serve you water while you take your cards. You can't keep it. Give me four of those.

Thank you. I love your care to always remind the rules. Sometimes you forget. And we answer one question. Thanks to the companion, we have a little toy that comes with that? If we say so, you'll have one. He likes it a lot. Maybe we have some. Oh yes, we have some. Here, we'll give you a little toy. Thank you very much.

We have some. We keep our guests. How has your sexual life evolved over time? What memories do you remember from your first time? Are you comfortable with the nudity? Which place do you give to your intimate life? Oh my God! We only chose one. There are different levels of commitment in each question, but it's because I just see myself as... Well, take what you want. You don't want to create discomfort.

No! Take what you want. I don't want to create trouble. No. Some people answer to everything. Some people don't expect me to answer to everything. Are you comfortable with the nudity? I don't know why. I listen to the naked album of Philippe Catrine a lot. It inspires you. I'm really comfortable with nudity. Really.

I grew up in a... So I took the question, am I comfortable with nudity? In an environment of sports, of clothing, there's something that... That's not part of the stuff where I don't feel like myself. There's a part of me who where I don't feel like myself. There's a part of me who could have imagined being a person who goes to nude beaches. You could do it! I wouldn't be uncomfortable with this idea of seeing the body as...

... to stop always wanting to hide it or to come back to something a little primitive with that. I think it's a way to accept yourself or to come back to something very normalized on anatomy. So yes, if you come by my place, you'll probably see me naked walking around the house. But does it also give you a form of freedom to be at ease with the body? At ease with the body? I don't mean that I have no body issues with my image, but nudity in itself. Yes, I think that... But nudity is seeing the body in all its forms. There's no camouflage. That's it. I think it can be a way to accept ourselves naked, to see ourselves and not always be in the repression of who we are by hiding. I'm going to make a podcast about nudity soon. I'll give you tools.

I think it's good to talk about nudity. It's questioning us. I'm very pudic. I hear you talk and I'd like to have access to that. And I've always been terrorized by the dressing rooms. That's why I say that. Because I know I don't think I'm in the majority of people. You must be fine. Because I've always been like,

everyone's changing, and now it's like... I's changing, everyone's changing, everyone's changing. I don't know how I'm going to do it. I could go back to the room and try to change. For me, it's always been a challenge. That's why there are parts, I think I'm naming it because paradoxically, I'm going to judge my body a lot. I have been in the issues of weight and not finding myself beautiful enough. But at the same time, I have a little homo sapiens side, where I am well with the idea of being naked. Do the issues with your body come from you or from the outside? I think my body is transformed through time, through the sports youth, and all my career. I've gained more weight and I think I have an extremely demanding job to not facilitate the task of accepting and loving myself because I found it still violent.

You know, comments, you add, you feel moderately good with the idea of being that when you look at yourself, you only think about your body. It's not the same thing, it doesn't make sense, but we'll tell each other the real things. It's always through there that it goes. The critics, the people who look at you. So all that, I think it doesn't help a woman to feel down in her body diversity. Especially when you just had a good time, and then you come across comments like this... Exactly, that reduce you to that. It's a ball of shit. Really, and it gives you a shock. It doesn't help you to really accept that the acceptance of being killed completely, while your head would want to or you...

That's it. That's why I say that it doesn't come from you. There's a social character to that too. Do you think we can get to not be influenced or affected by these comments? That's a very good question. And honestly, in all transparency, maybe I can do more, but I'm not immune to that. Whether it's about the body, or about criticism, or in general, it's hard to get rid of the bad things we're being sent in life. There are a lot of them.

Exactly. So to say, nothing in the morning, I don't believe it much. After that, to contextualize and say, oh, that person is not well, she also lives with an inner illness, and she projects... We can all do that, but free judgments, access to physical appearance or others... Because you're a flirt, you have a relationship with fashion. We see it all the time. Is that important to you? It's funny that you say that because I went to the TV shows and there was a kind of recap of my career and I was like, my God, this relationship with fashion is quite...

full of mistakes. But there's no research, I think that when you see... Oh yes, yes, yes. I like that more too than before, I don't know, it interests me. But I mean, I look at my friend Pierre Lapointe, it's the essence of his work, the image, the clothing, it's like that with the music. The aesthetic. It's like that with music. Aesthetics, yes. Much more than me, in relation to clothes and all that. But yes, I like that, I feel good, I like fashion, I like beautiful little looks. And I'm lucky to have a stylist when I'm going to do things. And I really have fun with my friend Olivia, she's a friend in life.

So I think that it's a little developed over time. But that's to say that, look, I would be naked all the time and it would be okay. But you know what? I have the impression that with nudity, that's where we're the least attackable. You know, in the sense that Gantz, here it is, here it is. That's it, my body, no camouflage, don't try to show such a thing. Exactly, that's true. That's why it's paradoxical. And that's why I find it interesting the last album of Philippe Catrine about the notion of nudity too, because he's an artist who's in his 50s.

You see that the content of his album, he also talks about all the nostalgia, the aging of that, but his concept, because he's unique and he's the only one to be able to do things a little frontal like that, there's a bob and he's naked. I find that it expresses well, it images the naked side. There are no more weapons, there's just me. It also evinces many other concepts that clothing brings. It's interesting. There are still some people who have answered this question.

It really feeds a reflection. Yes, that's what we feel, that we could dig into the reflection around that. Yes, there is something, why is this a challenge for me, why aren't you? And I listen to you, and I would like to reach that, and I think we are several like that, and guests like that, and it's the opposite contrary, are not able to... This relationship is excessively difficult. And that's not important, the body... Exactly, that's not a notion. That's why I told you that it has nothing to do with being big or...

But when you look in the mirror, what do you see now? I feel good, I feel in phase between my exterior and interior. I feel like I'm in a new era. It's funny because I was doing shows and there were commentators of stories. The era Ariane, it's the summer Ariane. At the same time, I do little shows. I start my tour, I play in the places. The BTB Travel, the mini-autor, it's 150 places. A part of me says to myself, it looks like I'm starting again.

Then I go to the small rooms and I grow my business. At the same time, I feel like I'm in a new era of my life as a woman. Yeah, a little bit more maybe. The background, the form, something more aligned, more assumed. I feel so good. That's it, it's a little weird to say. It's weird, huh? We don't have the facility to say when we don't feel good, and now I find myself almost pleased to say I feel good.

We just understood why. The path, but we have to say it when we feel good. It's beautiful to feel good. And at the same time, all this is fragile. So much so that I don't have any jeans on. It's not stopped in time. That's it, today you feel good. And it's not a trophy either. It's not better than no other. And sometimes there are also a lot of people who will say, You feel good underneath. Exactly. And it's not a trophy either. It's not better than anyone else. Sometimes, there are also a lot of people who will say,

I feel good, but underneath, it's not going at all. So it's fragile. And I would like to say better, as you say, today I feel good, and I don't want to send the message that it's something that we catch and that we keep happiness. Because I think that if today I feel good,

it's because I'm very comfortable with the idea of having great sufferings that may come back. And all that transforms, and that's more what you're going to look at. Because you can feel good and you can be in a bad mood in half an hour, but that doesn't mean you don't feel good. It's punctual. There are things that are not chronic in our lives. You have things that happen, and there is a solution, but at the moment you're not happy. But you know, the feeling of just being in the right place. Exactly. And to have tools, the chance too, to have tools to either feed that garden, or if there are things that are going less well, I have the tools to go.

That's the construction of a life too. It's not just about yourself. It's to say, I have what's needed it takes, or if it's going to rain. I'm not alone, you know. Yeah, I have my village. Last question to Riam. I was thinking, could you do a special for your game in unity? Maybe it would help you.

It's not me who would do it. Maybe it would cancel you out of a shot. Maybe. Seriously. Let's go! No, but I'm... Listen, it really comes to me to look for this thing, because I tell myself, I have to rule like this. I have to understand why. You know, I'm so open, accepting... Yeah, that's true.

It's not obligatory to be everything. No, no, I'm not going to walk naked in the street. No, I understand. But you know, to reach that level of comfort. I understand. But you know, emotional openness, openness to others, and all that. Maybe it's not necessarily to be totally in sync with it. I understand what you're asking. I'm going to have to bathe naked in my lap.

Exactly. But you see, I was with a friend at the chalet and she said I should have bathed myself. She took off her dress and put it on. I was like, well, we've got enough of her doing that. I wasn't well, I wasn't well. I wasn't going to bath. I was like, do you have to? I was like, no. But you see, I was like, what is this reaction? But at the same time, I found it weird to have a little bit of a bath.

Exactly, it was a little awkward. You would have done it. I was naked and I made you a prescription, Marc-Laude, in your summer at the chalet. Get ready alone! To do that already, and to be calm with yourself. Not more happiness than that. Okay, okay, okay, Arielle. I'm not asking for a picture.

No, no, because nobody's going to see me. You can't do that. With you. Start with that picture. No, no, because nobody will see me. You can be sure of that. With you, start with that. With me, it will be very dark. Exactly. Ok, perfect, I'm trying that. It looks like it's very liberating. No, but it's because it's the liberating side that interests me.

Exactly. We experiment. The sensations. Ok, I'm trying to experiment that. I don't know how long it will last. Maybe that's it, maybe at the beginning you can go just for the sensations, not even in what make you feel... You'll give me some news.

You'll give me some news. Optoraiso question. When you look in the mirror of your life, what are you most proud of? The big questions... I think that... I have the word instinct that comes into my head. I think it's to have trusted my mother. I remember when I wanted to be a pediatrist. It was time to go to the Cégep for music and I said to my mother, I don't want to eat peanut butter all my life. I don't feel like a poet or an artist. And she said to me, go see.

If that's not it, that's not it. And you'll do your science again. And I didn't have the notes necessarily. But those looks of, pitch yourself, go see, go. Put your head in the water. it's a gift that she gave me. And I feel like that's how I looked at life, it gave me the confidence to go see things. And I think that this voice, that instinct, it was the guide of my life story until now, which allowed me to make choices depending on what I felt,

and to go and explore if that's what I want. It was a guide and I think it was fundamental to listen to it for everyone. What can we wish for, Ariane Moffat? Cultivating the garden, taking back a... maybe an era take a post-childhood age that will continue to be really stimulating artistically. And I don't know, continue to be lucky and healthy as best as I can. I don't have big demands in the universe, I'll tell you. To consolidate.

To consolidate is good, to consolidate is good. That's why you have a lot to do. That's it, and I said, I want it to be there for a long time. Yes, well taken, well aroused, all that. It's a lot, and they continue to entertain us in this way, to be who you are. They mostly talk to us through your songs. Yes, there is music, but there are also lyrics, there are reflections. So thank you for being in our artistic universe, dear Arnaud. It was a great meeting.

Really, really, it's been great. It's been great. Thank you all for being there and we'll see you in the next podcast. See you next time.