Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette - #113 Isabelle Racicot | Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette

Episode Date: July 7, 2025

Rencontre avec une femme libre, sereine et ouverte d’esprit.Isabelle Racicot a vécu plusieurs changements au cours des dernières années. À travers les questions d’Ouvre ton jeu, elle raconte, entre autres, les étapes du deuil amoureux. Elle aborde aussi l’impact des ruptures professionnelles sur le plan humain, en plus de parler de ses fils et de sa mère biologique.━━━━━━━━━━━00:00:00 - Introduction00:16:16 - Cartes vertes00:39:00 - Cartes jaunes01:03:20 - Cartes rouges01:23:06 - Cartes Eros01:31:11 - Carte Opto-Réseau━━━━━━━━━━━L'épisode est également disponible sur Patreon, Spotify, Apple Podcasts et les plateformes d'écoute en ligne.Vous aimez Ouvre ton jeu? C'est à votre tour d'ouvrir votre jeu avec la version jeu de société. Disponible dès maintenant partout au Québec et au https://www.randolph.ca/produit/ouvre-ton-jeu-fr/?srsltid=AfmBOoo3YkPk-AkJ9iG2D822-C9cYxyRoVXZ8ddfCQG0rwu2_GneuqTT Visitez mon site web : https://www.marie-claude.com et découvrez l'univers enrichissant du MarieClub, pour en apprendre sur l'humain dans tous ses états et visionner les épisodes d'Ouvre ton jeu, une semaine d’avance. ━━━━━━━━━━━ Ouvre ton jeu est présenté par Karine Joncas, la référence en matière de soins pour la peau, disponible dans près de 1000 pharmacies au Québec. Visitez le https://www.karinejoncas.ca et obtenez 15% de rabais avec le code ouvretonjeu15.Grâce à Éros et compagnie et notre niveau rose, obtenez 15% avec le code rose15 au https://www.erosetcompagnie.com/?code=rose15Merci également à Opto-Réseau, nouveau partenaire d'Ouvre ton jeu. Visitez le https://www.opto-reseau.com pour prendre rendez-vous dans l'une de leurs 86 cliniques.

Hello everyone, welcome to Ouvre Ton Jeu, the podcast. Today is the 111th episode. We've already received a lot of people and we have a lot to come. So it's not over. It's because of you, because you watch us a lot, you follow us, you comment on us. And it makes us able to last with each of the guests who come to confide in us through the game. And I like to read comments. There's Huguette who says, I listen to Vra Ton Jeu when I do the cleaning and it's as if I was rewarding myself. I really enjoyed this interview with Denis Bouchard and what particularly attracted me was his relationship with his mother. My mother was cold, like a controlling ice cream, and I suffered a lot from her attitude.

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So thank you, Simon, especially thank you Viviane for sharing that. Lucie tells us about the episode of Pierre-Houd, So thank you Simon, and thank you Viviane for sharing that. Lucie talks about Pierre-Houd's episode. Such coherent words on such a calming and familiar voice, it's great happiness. Through the guests' confidence, we realize that we live ourselves, we are not human, and above all, it's not abnormal. In short, we are not alone in what we live. Thank you for providing us with such a good moment. Well, indeed, Pierre, his voice, as soon as he arrived here in the studio, I heard him, consult them. We saw that it wasn't necessarily something they had thought about. And then all of a sudden, they needed it. And I think

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Etienne Laurendeau for the capture, and Jérémy Boucher for the social networks. Today, she's a friend. She's a girl who allowed me to do TV. She was incredibly patient with me when I started on TV. I knew her from the show, among other things, Flash. I find her very international. I find that she makes this beautiful woman very glamorous. So I'm happy to have her. I'm talking about Isabelle Rascault. So, place to Isabelle.

It seems like I had the impression that I couldn't be vulnerable. You know, it seems like I really had that impression at home, that I couldn't be vulnerable. But it was me who put that pressure on myself. I'm not saying that it was them who made me feel like that. And when it was them, you know, my children and my husband, it was with them that I lived. My husband, my ex-husband, my husband of the time.

I think it was me who felt that I had to be strong for them. So I hid that. Where does this need to come from, to be strong? I don't know. It seems that... Well, actually, I think I very quickly had the impression that I should be the person responsible in my circle. I am the big sister when my mother dies and I am the only daughter. So I took more responsibility. After that, I found myself in an apartment with co-workers who were a little less responsible than me.

I also took that into account. So I think that all my life, it seems that I took that position. I didn't question it, but I was in it 100% since I give myself 100% in life. So I have the impression that that's what got me involved. You're responsible. I'm responsible. So what got me in trouble. You're responsible. I'm responsible. So you can't be vulnerable. Well, that's what I...

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As I was saying at the beginning of the game, it's a girl I love. Even earlier, I was saying she was glamorous. I can't wait to know what she thinks about it. Hi Isabelle Rassico! Hi! I'm always dressed up. Oh, but that's what you're saying. No, but no, that's what you're saying. Because earlier, I introduced myself before you came in. And I remember you the first time I met you, it was Flash. Oh yes, ok, yes. Between two planes, and you had a star, an English-French star, no problem.

For me, you still represent that, that you have in you, that international side. It's funny that you say that, because I've been while since I did that, but from time to time, with the radio, I'll do a little Michael Buble, I'll do Ed Sheeran. I like that, I'll always like that. You'll do a little Ed Sheeran. A little Ed Sheeran. Okay, I'll do that. No, but we see how when I said you were international.

Oh yeah, exactly. Who would you like to do, let's international, who would like to be a kid? Ed Sheeran is probably not a kid, but in the house where it's smaller interviews than what I did. You're going to get the clinics because I'm sure I'm going to cry with joy or sadness. Yes, because you're already laughing and crying. You know I want to meet Oprah Winfrey. Do you think it's going to happen. I let go of it, as I was convinced that one day I was going to meet her in an interview.

I accepted that it wouldn't happen. If it happens, it's going to be a nice surprise in my life. But it remains that I would still like to interview her, like I would like to meet Michelle Obama. There are still a lot of people I would like to meet. And there are others like to. There are still many people I would like to meet, and there are others who are adding to it because they are part of the news. So, you know, that's it. It seems like I would like to interview Prince Harry. His life intrigues me, he intrigues me, everything he has lived. I would be fascinated by him.

Are you going to be there when Prince Charles comes? I don't think so, no. Unless I'm invited. If I'm invited, I'll be there. Oh yes, you'll be there. It could be close to the Prince Harry. It could be close to the Governor General, which I hope will one day replace. I know that Ricardo also wants to become Governor General, but we'll see. But yes, there will be a scandal. Do you really want to become Governor General? I say that often because I say it's the kind of job I think I would be good at, in all humility. To the extent that I love people, I'm perfectly bilingual, I love to walk around, meet people.

So I think I would be able to do it. And I like the protocol. I'm good at protocol stuff. It doesn't bother me. I find it funny. I find it fun to do. So that's why I say that. But Ricardo is much more advanced than me in the process. So I'm going to let Ricardo do it, since he's older than me. And maybe after that, I could do it, since he's older than me. And maybe after that, I could let him go. So you would be there when, for example, the Prime Minister of your time, when you're there, will want to go to the election. You still have to be at your house and that's you

who triggers the process. And I would probably serve him a glass of wine. And we would jazz before, you know? That would be it. I wish you that. I wish you Prince Harry and Oprah. But Oprah, it could be possible. It's still possible. I'm not saying it's impossible. I've let go of my grip on this thing. You couldn't follow it a little. You mean the Chasing Pigeon?

The Chasing Pigeon! I wasn't far from that when I went to see it in the talk show. Tell us about it. We were working together at the time. It was your boyfriend, Dona who was... Yes, Dona. He gave me the surprise to buy tickets to go see the Oprah Winfrey talk show in Chicago. It's very difficult to get tickets. I don't know how he did it, but he worked so hard. It was a nice surprise. I knew it very few days before we went there.

Anyway, we're going there, and we have to take the plane, of course. You want me to tell you all about it too? Everything is interesting. So we leave by car to get to an airport in the United States. We didn't take the right direction, but I don't know. So we left, blah, blah, blah, we jostled, we arrived at the customs, the man, the customs officer tells us, where are you going? My husband tells me,

we're going to see each other at the Prowin Free, she's my wife's idol, she's super excited, we're going to take the plane to that place. And then the guy looks at us and says, but you're not in the right direction at all. So I look at my husband, I'm like, oh no, do we have a problem? The guy says, I look at the time, he was like,

what time is your plane? I don't think you're going to get there. And then I see Donald panicking, who says, I'm not going to ruin that moment for my wife. And I, who starts crying, like, Donald, we have to get there! So we start rolling, that moment for my wife and I, who started crying, like, Donaute, we have to get there! So we started rolling, and we rolled so fast that we were

stopped by the police. There, I put myself in front of the police. He says, hey, I could, at the speed at which you go, I could put you in prison. But he says, I'll let you go, but he says, I'll call all my colleagues, policemen, along the way you go, and he said, you will be watched. So we were careful, and I'm trying to call the airline to ask them if they're going to wait for us, and I'm trying to find solutions. My phone sometimes goes in, sometimes it and who is trying to stay in control.

And I don't want to make him feel like I'm super disappointed. And I'm still hoping that we'll find a solution, but in any case, we finally arrive at the airport. He lands me, he says, I parked the car, go try to hold the plane back. So I get there, I get to the counter and I'm like, please let us in. And he looks at me, but the plane was delayed by an hour and a half, why are you panicking? So at the same time, I was happy.

And on the other side, listen, I was just laughing. So I was just getting to the race, I was happy. And on the other hand, I could just laugh. So when I arrived at the race, he just saw me laughing. So he was like, what's going on? I said, we don't have time to go eat, have a glass of wine. We're not leaving. So that was okay. And once we were there, I'll remember that all my life. It was like, I was like at Disney as a child.

I go into the studios, I watch... Listen, we can do some TV, I was watching the ceilings, I was watching the spots, I was watching where she was sitting, I was watching her work during the breaks, and then they had put me not far from her, so I was really close, and then, hey, all along, I was watching that, and I was fascinated, and I was like, but I can't believe I'm here, it's been, you know, for decades that I've been watching her, and then I'm there, and she's in front of me, she's fine, she's generous. I loved that moment. And we saw each other in the show.

We saw each other in the show, yeah. So I have proof that I breathed the same air as Oprah Winfrey on Monday. So that's the time you were closest to her. Yeah. When I went to see her in Toronto, I went to see her in Montreal when she gave her speech. But that was the moment when I was the closest. Wow. I wish you could get there. After all your adventures, and at the same time...

I deserve that. I think so. But at the same time, she has a great influence in your life. Yes, that's it. She's someone who is important in your path. But I think it's okay that I haven't met her yet because I think I would have been too, too angry. I think I might not have even benefited from that moment. Whereas there, I think with age, with the kind of detachment, with the appreciation that I have, the distance that I have from what she represented for me, I think I'll be more calm if I meet her one day. Okay, let's try to get rid of the You made me laugh so much, it looks like I'm drunk. The red question is personal questions.

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Sometimes, I have to tell you that when there are too many choices on the menu, I don't know what to take. Sometimes, I think you give yourself a lot of choices. You think there are too many choices. Sometimes, but for me, I was just telling you how I eat. Perfect. That's good. Go ahead. When I'm hungry, telling you how I do it. Perfect. That's good. When I'm hungry, I find a menu to be scary. Really?

It's long to read. Do you want to eat everything or do you want to eat everything? No, I've never thought that the service decides for me what I want to eat. It's complicated. What is your best friend? We live with that. No complications. Which person has made a difference in your life? When I look at myself in the mirror, I see. To be good with myself, I have to. Which place does friendship take in your daily life because I don't know if it was yesterday or the day before yesterday, I got up and I said, « Hey, I'm so lucky, I'm so well surrounded, I'm so grateful for the circle all have a reason to be. They all bring me something.

They all allow me to grow. But when I look around, I keep very close to them. And after that, I widen the circle. They were all important in my life, and especially in the last four years. And I tell myself, hey, I'm so, so well surrounded that nothing can happen to me that will destroy me. It's crazy. And I know I'm lucky. There are many people who don't have that, friendships. You, you're good at friendship. You know, you maintain your friendships, you're a good friend, you know, around you, but it's not everyone. No, but I was going to say that about you, because I don't consider myself a good friend if I compare myself to you. Ah, well, in what sense?

No, but I see your social networks, and sure you have even more meetings with your friends than we see, but you know, you have your childhood friends, you have friends who have seen your whole life, you have seen your whole life. And I have the impression that you are alone in a circle of friends who are like the cement, who organize, who ensure, who remind that there are rituals, because you have rituals in friendship, where the children were little. I follow you on social media and every time I say to myself, Isabelle is the friend. There's something important. Yes. I'm like that for certain circle of friends. There are others in other circles where I'm not the one who takes control. I'm super good with that. But I think I will always be the person who will say hello, hello, are you okay? I think of you. For me, it's important. For example, birthdays. I will send a message, even if I've been talking to you for a long time, I will say, hey, I think of you today, I know it's your birthday.

But it's true that friendship for me is very important. And probably because of... it goes back to when I was very young. I had a father who was very green, and I had a tendency not to be at home. I was at my friends' place, so I was there. And it's for sure that there were difficult times in my childhood of what we lived as a family, where I needed to take refuge elsewhere.

So friendship became the replacement for my family at times. And that cultivated as a way of life and it's always stayed that way. So yes, I have friends who have been close to me for four years, Sophie and Julie Martin. And after that, I made friends in recent years too, who have been super close and who are very present, my friends from Boucherville, because of the children and all that. After that, I have José Godès and Bastien Benoît, who have been there in a pivotal moment in my life, who are, you know, we don't work together at the moment, but we are still extremely connected and we will be there for life. So there are always people

who add themselves in addition, so I find that very enriching. You talked about Boucherville. Saucisme has always fascinated me because of your neighborhood friendship. You know, you were having meals together on Sunday afternoons with your neighbors. We still do that. That's it. That's what Isabelle Rassicault is for me. There's something easy for you to unite to do things together. And in addition, it's a mother who has followed the sport of... Of her children. Yes, that's it. But football, for example, you're present, you encourage, and then you make friends in those circles too.

Yes, well, you know, the neighbors... I didn't even mention the neighbors in the friend category because it's almost like family. Because the children grew up together, because we are all connected on the same street, because at some point, I have the impression that it's more a second family than friends because we are so close and we traveled together, but we have rituals. At Christmas, we always do the Christmas of the remaining ones. Everyone receives in their respective families. Then on the 26th or 27th, we have a Christmas together with all the remaining ones.

The children are in pajamas. We were allowed to go to shows at the time. Today, they're still there, but we're no longer allowed to go to shows, obviously. They're all young adults. But we have these rituals on go to shows anymore, obviously. They're all young adults. But you know, we have these rituals on children's birthdays or on adults' birthdays. We get together, and what's fun is that...

I said it, they're all young adults. They still want to be there when we say, OK, we have a neighbor's dinner or a neighbor's barbecue. They want to be there. It's a ritual, it's a zone where they feel good. You mentioned it, especially during the last four years. Yes, because as you know, I got separated and I lived some special moments. So I had a very close guard who knew what was going on.

And I had Sébastien and José on a daily basis. I think they entered my professional life when I needed these guys, because they are extremely benevolent guys, they are respectful. José had experienced this before me, so he was able to help me through this. Sébastien, who is always very careful, wanted to make sure that I was always well. So, on a daily basis, I would go to work even if I lived something difficult and I had fun, he made me laugh. And we were so close, and at that moment, no one at the office knew what I was living. So, we had a secret

that just the three of us had at the beginning, and then the producer knew about it, and my producer was informed. But at one point, it was just the three of us to be in that secret, and it protected me enormously. And these two guys who every day found a way to raise me, to compliment me, to make me a compliment, to make me feel special. It was special. And sometimes I would come and say, hey, today I'm vulnerable, don't piss me off too much in the bath,

and they respected me. And it really was the two partners that I needed to go through what I went through. And I would have often said, precisely, grateful for what they did for me and the happiness they brought me daily. It made sure that, yes, I went through difficult moments, but they were less difficult, among other things, thanks to those two. You had like some rest areas that you needed. You were a little surprised by all of that. Yes. I really had the impression that the two guys were holding on like that and saying, «Garne, we're not going to let you down, we're here».

You know, normally they're colleagues from work, but it's become a lot more than that. Were they friends before? Sébastien was a good friend before because we worked together at Flash. We were part of the same circle of friends for a long time. We started in VR and all that. Oh, that's true! Remember? We worked together at the time. And then, after that, we lost sight of each other, but we always knew how to give each other news. We looked at each other from afar, we were fighting each other.

So, my relationship with Sébastien quickly came back. Besides, he's probably one of the only guys I talk to on a daily basis, or almost on a daily basis. He's really my good friend. And Josée, well, we always knew how much we liked each other. And then, I think that's the end of the story. I hope you enjoyed it. Thank you so much for watching. And by the way, he's probably one of the only guys I talk to on a daily basis, or almost on a daily basis. He's really my good friend. And Josée, well, we always loved each other.

Every time we saw each other, we had to do it together, it ended well, the week. When I was, you know, at first it had to be me and Josée, and then they got on well, and then they kept Josée. And Josée at that moment called me and said, hey, I learn that you you're not in the equation anymore and that they're going to go with someone else. » I said, «Yes, but you do it. Do it because you're going to trip and it's a nice show, a fun thing to do. » So it's Julie Bélanger who came on stage. Hey, that's funny. You had forgotten. Hey no, my phone is on « Ne pas déranger ». Ah, but at that time, it, c'est peut-être Mario.

Ça va être mon mode avion. C'est peut-être Mario, le seul qui est capable de briser ton ne pas déranger. Ben non, c'est le travail. Écoute, je ne comprends pas. Continue. Vraiment désolé, ta peau. Là, j'ai mis mode avion. Ça fait deux fois que ça m'arrive ça. Pour de vrai? Je te jure, avant ça faisait pas ça. C'est hanté. C'est hanté.

Ah, ben des fois, c'est parce que tu peux appeler deux fois si la personne répond pas, puis ça va répondre. For real? I swear, before it wasn't like that. It's in T. Sometimes it's because you can call twice if the person doesn't answer. So it's someone who's insisting. Yes, that's it, it's someone who will absolutely talk to you. Are you sure you don't want us to make a post? I'm with Isabelle Rascault and that's more important. So I didn't even remember that it happened like that. It ends well the week. I remember two days in the morning when it was a bit abrupt.

Our separation. I had two days in the morning when our separation was a bit rough. I had two rough endings. Yes, but we still have to explain this separation. We finished the season, we met again the next season. We signed our contracts, everything went well. I went on vacation, I came back from vacation. At 6.30 pm, the phone rang, it was one of the producers. And while I was talking, I saw your call coming in, you too.

And I was like, what's going on? And then I understood that we were finally separating. So we stopped working together, and it was a pain in the ass. We didn't have anything to say about it. I kept going, and not you. Yes. That was... Because they asked me... Because I was doing both at the time.

I was doing two shows in the morning, and it ended the week. And they told me, well, you stop doing both, and you should do the show in the evening. Yes, that's it. So that wasn't what you heard from the start. No. And then you did that for a year. Yes. And then they thanked me.

Yes. Is it hard to learn? At the moment, I found it very difficult to learn. Especially because I was giving myself a lot and we worked together, so you know I'm very invested. Very prepared. And I'm going to be invested in the content with the teams. Do you want me to call this artist to ask him to come? I'm going to do it. I was giving my concerned about that show. So I think it was probably my first real professional pain,

as I was really losing everything. But at the same time, I was going to cry, it questioned me, should I still do this job? I'm obviously not good enough to keep my job. Because it was like I had been doing two girls in the morning, and after that, the next year, it's there. So it's sure that it's moving you and you ask yourself questions. After that, I said to myself, well, it might allow me to do things that I haven't had the time to do yet. So that's when I started working in English. I started my little online shop. I quickly decided to do something else, but I am like that. I need to be in the action.

So I'm going to cry, I'm going to have, you know, I'm going to have pain, I'm going to wash, I'm going to have a pain, I'm going to wash, I'm going to talk about my emotions, and then I'm going to be like, OK, it's beautiful, let's move on to another call, let's change. Exactly. So that's what happened. Yeah, you've got it, that pain, it's important. Yeah. And then you said that was your first pain. My first pain?

Yes, I would say the second one is probably losing the mission of return with José and Sébastien recently, but as I explained, we had our exceptional chemistry in and out of the water. We had a lot of fun. It's a time frame that I love. So, it's for sure that I didn't even feel like going to work. We would have done that 10 years ago. Together, we said it to each other, and every day we knew we were lucky to have what we had. So when it ended, when we were told it was over, the three of us had a lot of pain. So I found it very difficult. Yes, but it's a difficult environment. Yes, but you have to know how to live with that. Yes, you have to know how to appreciate it because what you tasted at the same time, it was worth it.

Yes, that's it! If there hadn't been that, it wouldn't have happened. No! So I like to live things better, but it's funny that you say that because I like to live things better and then have the pain after to protect myself from being alive. And after that, to have done like, well, everything was average. But now that I'm in my life, in my career, it looks like these pains, it doesn't last long. I know it's going to come. I know I'm going to lose my job again eventually. We're all going to be replaced. And one day, I'm not going to do that anymore. It's it. It comes with friendship. But friendship stays. It transcends. Absolutely. And Patricia Paquin, who is a good friend of mine, whom I met during Flash, we never broke up. We were in the same situation.

I didn't name all my friends, but the Flash gang, there are still some who remain. That's it. I find that important. You're a faithful person. Yes, I'm a faithful person. Really. You chose a card, a question. Which person made a difference in your life? Oh my, there were so many.

Which person? What a person. I want to call you my grandmother Margot. My grandmother Margot, who died today, who was the mother of my mother, who often took the place of my mother in my mother, who took the place of my mother often in my eyes, from whom I stayed close, I was my mother. But it was my confidante, and very young. I remember that I was 10, 11 years old, and then I call her and I talk about my problems. And after that, once my mother died, she became someone very important and a good confidante. Until her death, we were actually linked, she and I. How old were you when she died? She died in 2012, so it hasn't been that long.

But in 2013, sorry, it hasn't been that long, but she died not long ago. Everything happened at the same time, like the end of the week ended well. Then a few weeks later, my grandmother passed away. And it's funny because I feel like she heard me. I left for a week on a trip, and just before we talked on the phone, Oh no, I have to tell you this before. I can't. You can, it's still more weird. It's even weirder. It's even weirder. Three weeks before, my uncle calls me and says,

Hey, Grandma wants to see you, absolutely. My grandmother is in good shape, she's in the hospital, but she's there because my grandfather is not well. So, she's like, both are in the hospital together in the same room, but she's more there to accompany him, okay? A little bit, that's the portrait. So I get upset, I'm going to see her, and I say, What's wrong, Grandma? And she gave me her ring. It wasn't this one. She gave me her ring. She took it off her hands and gave it to me.

She said, I want you to have it. This one is yours. I said, OK, but you're not ready to leave, Grandma. And I saw you. Grandma, you're not ready to leave. Keep it. It's yours and I want to make sure you have it. Not long after, a few weeks later, she died. So I don't know if, at 100,000, You're not ready to leave. Keep it. It's yours and I want to make sure you have it. Not long after, a few weeks later, she's dead.

So I don't know if she felt something. I don't know what happened. But this bag, I have it, I wear it regularly. And every time I wear it, I feel like Grandmother is with me. But it's with hindsight that I say to myself, what did she know? Did she have a feeling? I don't know. What was the last time she saw you? I think it was one of the last times. I don't know if it was the last time, but I remember we were on the phone. She said, I'll talk to you when you come back.

When I came back, she was already in the hospital, she was connected, there was a few hours left to live. So I went straight out of the airport, I went to her, I spent some time with her, and she died a few hours later. Was mourning difficult to do for your grandmother? Yes. Yes. And I would tell you that there are still moments when I think of her, and I say to myself, I would like to call her. I wonder what she would say.

Often, often I have thoughts for her and yes, it was difficult to do. Because she was so important to me, and you know, whether it was her advice for relationships, whether it was in relation to me, in relation to taking my place, you know, she was... and she was proud of what I was doing, and she was talking about me, her hairdresser, and... It's my little girl, and I know she was super proud. But that, to see someone's pride in you, you know, compared to us in the others she's in, it's gratifying. That's why I always tell people I know who are becoming grandparents, don't neglect this relationship.

You know, you're a grandmother. There's such a magical and important place that you can have in the development of a child. And not just when they're very young and we call him, and all that, no. When they are at any age, but adolescence, there, hey, if I hadn't had my grandmother, I think my father and I would have killed each other.

You know, like, we didn't agree at one point. You had to figure things out. Oh, so much. And she also, she spoke to my father, there, Michel, I spoke to Isabelle, she advised him, and you know, she tempered things. We can imagine your grandmother who lost her daughter, and there, who had her little daughter, how she had a pain, and at the same time wanted to protect you. Can you imagine everything she went through inside. Yes, feeling a responsibility towards her daughter, who couldn't be there for the rest of my life.

It's for sure that she felt that. And I would tell you that until the end, my grandfather and my grandmother, when they talked about my mother, they talked about her with a lot of emotion. You could see that they never gave up. Were there other children? Yes, there were three other boys, it was their only daughter. They never gave up. Were there other children? Yes, there were three other boys, it was their only daughter. They never gave up on that? No. But I understand when you're a parent.

It's unnatural. And even if you're an adult. My grandmother was 102 when she died. And I remember her being lucid until the end. And she saw oneid until the end. She saw one of her sons die, her husband, one of his sons and one of his grandchildren, my cousin who died. She wanted to die. She didn't want to live that. Everyone around me died at 102 years old and she was afraid. She said, I'm not able to...

But you know, when she lost her son, she was maybe, I don't know, 80. She was 80. Let's say he was maybe 50. You're wrong, but it looked like that. And I was looking at my grandmother, my grandmother, having a penis when my uncle died. And I think I was too young to understand. Oh yeah. But how old were you at the time? Well, that's what I'm wondering. I was in my twenties when it happened.

Yeah, I can understand why. There's like a moment of life. I was finding myself... Well, you know, now I'm... You know, not having that sensibility, having a the pain of losing my uncle. But it seems that seeing my grandmother, it seems that I didn't have enough empathy for her suffering. But you hadn't been a mother yet? I didn't know that you were losing your child. And when my cousin died at 27, I was... was I a mom? Yes, I was a mom at the time. Did you feel it? I had to go talk to her. I was without my mother. I had to go talk in front of the church. At 27.

My God. I was a very young mother of my cousin Luc. And then I saw my uncle and aunt in front of me. I wasn't even able to talk to them. I was frozen. And I thought, OK, that's it. Losing a child, it's not possible. No, no, no. You didn't get over it. No. And I totally understand. And I think it's beautiful, the parents who continue and do it for their children for other reasons. And I think it's beautiful. But you learn to live with that pain.

But you have to find pillars, I think. You have to be one of those pillars somewhere. Yes, maybe. Maybe. She was a pillar for you. Absolutely. What did she give you? What do you hold on to? First of all, I realize that Grandmama was a cockatoo. I think it's from her that I have a cockatoo. I think it's because of her that I have my cockatoo. It's her human warmth, her way of gathering around. She was someone who had a good listening.

I think it's because of Kamolege. I like listening to people. I like it when they come and trust me. So Grand-m mom was like that. exclusively on FanDuel Casino, where winning is undefeated. 19 plus and physically located in Ontario. Gambling problem? Call 1-866-531-2600 or visit connexontario.ca. Please play responsibly. On the yellow side, Isabelle, please give me four. Okay. There are a lot of people who talk about their grandparents.

Yes, that's right, it's remarkable. I really want to be an involved grandmother. I don't want to be a grandmother right away, I'll tell you right away if my boys listen. They're still young. Yes, 21 and 18, soon 19 and 22. But you could be 22. Yes, that's it. When my son wants to get me involved, that's what he says to me. Hey mom, I might want to be a dad soon, and I want to kill him. »

So that's where we are. Are you the mother you wanted to be? What did you let go of over time? It's written on the film, but it's on the film. At what point in your life do you want to stand up? What do people reproach you the most? Oh my! What do I choose? That's when I'd like to be with the audience, and the audience will tell me what questions they want me to answer. Okay. I'll go with what people reproach me the most. But I could have chosen to be a mother, but...

We'll answer both. We most often blame my impatience. My impatience is together. I'm impatient in everyday life, but I want things to be quick. I don't want a decision to take a long time to make. So sometimes, I forget that the people I live with are not at the same pace as me. So sometimes that can cause friction. Obviously, it happened in my relationship, but even with my boys, sometimes they find that I'm not patient. And I try to work on that, but I'm not sure that I'm getting better as I age.

I'd like to say that I'm getting better, but I don't think I'm getting better. But how does it feel? Well, on a daily basis, first of all, on the road, I'm not patient. If I tell my son, we're going to do the commissions, he should be in the car already. So every minute counts, I would say. You know, I'm not in a... from time to time, I'll be like on vacation, I'll go on vacation, I'm able to be there. But in my everyday life, and it's the same thing if there's a problem, I want to be fixed quickly. We go on a trip, OK, but we decide. We won't take three months to decide where we're going. We decide and we do it.

I'm a little bit like that. Yeah. And I don't know where it comes from, but I've always been impatient, and that's what I'm most often blamed for. Is it exhausting? Well, for the others around you, probably. I'm fine! But you mean you do a lot in one day? Yes, I do a lot in one day. I do a lot in one life. Do you feel like it puts pressure on the shoulders of others to see someone who does so much to your partner? I would do a lot of that in my partner. I know that I would say all the time, like, I would say a lot, OK, let's do this, let's do that. We're going to do the renovations. OK, wait, we're going to take our time,

we're going to look at it. No, no, we're going to do this, there, there. You know, like, I had a lot of tendency to do that. There, I told myself that in a future relationship, I have to work on that, I have to improve myself, you know, I have to change my rhythm a little. And I want to change my rhythm as well, in old age. That's a wish. I look at 20, 30, 40, you're in action, you want a lot of things, you're going to accomplish a lot of things. You have young children, we work a lot, we like that, we accomplish a lot in work. So I didn't have the choice to have a lot of energy and I didn't have time to think too much about certain decisions.

Now I'm starting to be a little more relaxed, but in the daily life, I still want my son to be in the car in the next minute. We're going to make a good one. Are you single now? Yes. Are you, since you're alone, trying to make a couple? I... Hey, it's me!

Do you like that? To feel like that? No. Because you've been in a relationship for how many years now? 30 years. 30 years, still. So, to find yourself alone with your own decisions and your own rhythm in several ways, is that what you were looking for throughout your life? Well, I don't know if I was looking for that in my own way or... I'm fine with what I've been through.

Yes, but were you like demanding? But I was demanding. That's right, but once you're alone, am I less demanding? But does that calm you down? You're not waiting for anything anymore, basically? Yes, yes, that's right. I'm not waiting for anyone anymore. Even though sometimes I anything? Yes, I wasn't expecting anyone. Even though sometimes I procrastinate, which I wasn't used to doing.

You crossed the line. I don't recognize myself, but I procrastinate on things that don't tempt me. Flat files. I'm good at procrastinating. That's the files you get up one morning. There's a morning, I'm writing it down today, I'm doing this. It's in your agenda, you put it in, I have to fix it. But yes, it's for sure that right now, I appreciate everything I'm going through alone. Not having to take anyone into account, not asking, hey, can you do this?

You know, to be free of my choices. Right now, I like that. I'm going to want to be in a relationship again. You know, I'm not, you know, I'm not telling myself I will still want to be in a relationship. I'm not saying I will never be in a relationship. No, no, I understand. But you're breathing. But now I'm breathing. I needed to be alone. It's like my love battery was reset. Like a telephone battery. and then I charge it.

So that I can be a good partner. I like to give to others, to be present, to be the cheerleader, to encourage, to want to please, to find surprises. I like the complicity of both. I will always like that. But to be able to give that, I know I needed to take time for myself. Were you in therapy for that? Yes. We did couple therapy in the name of me, a few times. And at the end too. And after that, I did therapy alone. I keep doing it, actually. I find it so beneficial. It helps me a lot.

Because there were a lot of things too that I needed to undo. Thank you. There were a lot of things that I needed to undo. So I still need to see someone. It really makes me feel good. But my psychiatrist thinks I'm well regulated. I'm happy when you tell me that. What does that mean, being well-regulated? It means I'm not bad at living my emotions, controlling them, analyzing things. But it's fun to have someone to share with. And especially that I have friends and I'm really well surrounded.

But to have someone who is completely outside, it makes me feel good. Because I also hear, I never questioned about Donald. Because we will say, you know Donald, you knew him through me because we worked together. Mario is friends with Donald, among other things, he's friends with football. But you know, I remember saying to Mario at one point,, you know, you don't have to tell me about it. If you discuss it together, it stays in the heart. Because I find it always delicate, the stories of everyone. That is to say, everyone has their own version of the effect,

and I don't want to make myself an idea, a judgment, and I tell myself, if he wants to talk about it with Mario, it's not with me that he talks to him. So I'm very, very sharp on that. Hey, but it's all in your honor, because normally in a relationship, you know, everyone tells it. No, but for real, you could ask Mario. But I believe you. But I'll tell you, for me, it's like very intimate areas. Especially when the separation...

And I remember last year, in the team, some people told me, we could invite Isabelle Rassico, and it's not now. Yeah, you're right. Because I think that when you come to live this, you're in full bloom, and it's not the time to go behind the set, if you want. I agree. I would have said no, anyway, but I appreciate the fact that you thought about it. Really, because it's still... It's an important step in a life. It's a step forward, a step after 30 years of living in common.

Yes, and I would tell you that there was the death of my mother, and there is this moment, the two biggest challenges, the two biggest sorrows I've had in my life. That's it. If it stays there, I'm really lucky. I mean, if I don't have a third one. It's very... it's painful, but at the same time, it was obvious to me that it was the thing that had to happen to be better afterwards. So I knew that it was an obligatory step to find myself and to be better afterwards. But what I find mature is that we consulted, including you, until the end. Yes. So there is no doubt about that decision?

No. No, no, no, no, no. No, there's no doubt. And I think you know me enough to know that even if I'm someone who likes to make quick decisions and all that, because of my impatience, I will take the time to really analyze from all angles what I have to analyze. So in this case, you know, at the time I made the decision, I knew that was it. And that I wasn't wondering anymore. And I never questioned myself. And you made it to the end. Yes, I made it to the end.

And you know, I look at 30 years old, I'm so proud of this relationship. And you know, I was so proud of the time we spent together, and to be part of this couple that had a great longevity. Unfortunately, it's over, but I'll always be proud of the path we've taken. I'll never regret it, even if I know the purpose. If you ask me to start over, I'll start over with him. We had two beautiful, great, extraordinary boys. And as I told you, it's extraordinary what we've lived, I know it. But when it doesn't work, it doesn't work. And I want someone to find himself who will love him

as he deserves to be loved. I want someone who wants to raise him up. I think that meeting someone at 19, and then you're 53, it's hard to still be the right people at that time. Because we can evolve differently. Yeah, and I think that's what happened. We evolved differently, but... I like your image of the love battery. That's why I asked if you were in therapy, because I had the impression that there was a path behind it. I invented it that time, but I find it's a very easy image. But it's not invented, but it's very therapeutic.

Yes. And now you're on the charge. Yes, I'm on the charge. How much is it now? Now I think I'm pretty much 70%. Okay. Yes. So I can date, I can have...

But I'm not even my best best. But I could become one. There could be someone who does a fast track. Because there are more powerful downloads than others. It depends. Maybe there's someone who's going to turn on me so much that I'm going to do like, Oh, Ernestas, I'm 100% recharged. I'm ready. But when I hear you, I think you're doing well. Yes, I'm doing well. Yes. Yes, yes. Yes, because... You know, once you've gone through the storm,

and there's sun, and... and you feel good inside, it's like... you say, OK, well, it's behind me. You know, that feeling that things are behind you, it feels so good. And I think we appreciate it more too, to feel good when we're not feeling good at some point.

And to have all the people around you. Yes, yes, yes. My question. Are you the mother you wanted to be? I'm going to say, I recently realized that I was running after the image of the mother I had. I had a mother who died when I was 12. So I didn't experience adolescence, the confrontation with that person.

So this mother of mine is bigger than nature. It's like you have God the Father, you know, and then you have my mother France. Do you understand the image? It's like she was perfect, she was loving, she was enveloping, she was all-in-one. And it's true that there was a prize that was given in her name at the primary school where we went, or a volunteer parent who stood out during the year. So she was also an exceptional woman, but I think I've kind of... Idealized. Idealized. So I tried to give my children the maximum I could, and that I can still, that is to say that I could and that I can still. Since I didn't have a maternal presence for a long time, I wanted to make sure that they didn't experience that. So yes, I was very present at football and I tried to be there for everything I needed. Even if work was important to me,

I always said that I needed to be a mother, to be a good mother. But sometimes I find that I put a lot of effort into it because I wanted to be all of that for them. The perfect mother who cooks a lot. I gave myself a lot. But I don't regret it, but I realize that I was running after that image. So sometimes, could I have had a little more discipline and be a little less cool? At times, absolutely. But at the same time, I had a rigor that I imposed on them in relation to school.

I know the beaches where I was demanding, and there are others where I was a little more loose. But for me, it's important to have a chemistry. I've always wanted them to feel able to talk to me about anything, and I want them to feel like that again. And the moments when they tell me, «Hey, you're not present enough», it comes to me. It comes to me. It's like a vulnerability. Yeah, recently they told me that because they thought that, you know, I'm taking a life again, you know. I have two adults. I plan meals with friends. I go to the restaurant. And then at some point, they told me, «Hey, you're not home too often, huh?» I saw the reproach. I got the criticism, but it made me like,

«Oh, it made me so lost!» I said to myself, «Okay, I'm going to get back at it. For three or four weeks, I was at home and I didn't do anything. But often, I don't know if that's what you do, but were they at home when you were at home? Sometimes, yes. Because you know, it can be that too, you stay at home and then, bye bye, I'm going to go home. But you say, yes, sometimes he was gone and then I'm at home, well yes. That's what I find in the life of a teenager, young adult, sometimes that's what it's like.

But sometimes, for them to know that you're at home, it's reassuring. That's what I also realize. But often, me, in any case, it happened to me, you know, Juliette lives at home again. And I'm like, wait, you're never there, okay? Now I'm here, but five minutes later, ah, my friend is waiting for me, I'm leaving. Okay, you're like, well, my friend is waiting for me, I'm going. » « Okay, you're going. Bye! » Sometimes it does that, but it's true, you're right. It's the fact that you're there, so I'm fine.

But there too, there may be a little... You know, I sometimes resonate with myself. What do you mean? In the sense, I tell myself, « But I want to see friends. » « Why am I going there? » You know, I'm going there, and well... I can go there? I can't, they're able to make you eat, but you have to understand that. And I tell myself, I'm more excited. Yes, when you do other things too.

Because we talked about friendship at the beginning of the meeting, and I had a lot to do in my life that... I was missing time for that aspect. But I was missing it, you know? Now I'm missing time. I'm working a lot, but that's not the rest of my life. You understand, it's periodic, because I'm not workaholic, so I can work intense bits, but there has to be an end date. Otherwise, I suffocate in that model. But now I try to reconnect, to put moments, to say, OK, let's go, let's do something. And now I'm going to go make pottery with friends. You understand?

It's fun, but yes. You know, do something creative, not just eat with friends, but do something. And I want to take this time, and when I take it, wow! It's good, huh? Yes! So when I come home, I'm less impatient. Yes, that's it. I'm less... That's what I'm going to tell them.

I'm going to say, but you don't think I'm less impatient? But you're right, but the older I get, the less work I have in an important place, and the more I want to spend time with people I love, people who light me up, who enrich me, who tell their stories, who are... We change. It's crazy how we change, but I think we change for the better. You too, Marc-Laude. No, but it's true that we change for the better. Yes.

I think that the whole experience of life... I keep talking about it in this podcast. People will probably say, before coming back to me, but I have the impression that sometimes, we love each other all the time, without knowing where it's going. Then at some point,

a harvest comes, and all that makes sense. I think that's life. Yes, but that's exactly it. Yes. And now we feel like we're on a break. Yes. I think that's what you're saying. That's what I'm saying. Because I keep realizing it. And also, when I do interviews with older people,

it's rare that these people will cry remembering their lives, because it seems that they understood the meaning of each thing. Ah yes, it's beautiful. You think of Jeannette when you say that. Among other things, Jeannette, but you know, there are others too. Let's say, I remember I had an the gestures they had put on, but they had an understanding associated with the gestures. So, yes, we can't always be proud of everything we've done, but in the context in which we lived it, that's what we had to do with what we had at that time. That's exactly it. So you have to be self-reliant and say, you made the decision you had to make because you were there. Yes. And I find that everything happens for a reason. That's why I tell you, with hindsight, there are things that I start to understand and I tell myself,

all this led me to who I am. The pains I had, the rejections, the failures, You know, all of this led me to be who I am. You know, the pain I've had, the rejections, the failures, you know, everything that was difficult and everything that was extraordinary, it led me to be who I am today. And I'm so happy where I am, you know, in my head, in my body, in my spirit, that's why I can just be grateful for, hey, that's all my life. That's it.

So I can't wait to see what comes of it too. It's just exciting. But I understand, you have a new chapter. You're ready to open a new chapter in your life. It's rare that we have that. Yes. And me, the unknown, it never stressed me out. There are some who are not good in front of the unknown and who need to know. Me, it's probably because I consider myself an ungrateful person,

that I always have the impression that it will be beautiful what comes of it. I always have that impression. So I'm super excited about the future. There are so many people who would like to be like that. Ungrateful? That's good. That's the opposite of anxiety. Yes. You don't make scenarios.

I make scenarios that are happy. I'm like in a movie. You don't see all potential traps. Everything is beautiful. My oldest son worked so hard, he cursed me that I thought he was beautiful and good. He worked so hard on his anxiety. But when I was young, he was anxious. I had trouble understanding what it was.

It was so far from my personality. So I learned to understand what it means to be an anxious person, what it represents and the work you have to do. But yes, I consider myself a lucky woman. I don't have that. Anxiety and impat it rarely goes together. Yes. No, but it's because sometimes I say... Really? I didn't know that.

Well, yes, because we're accelerating, because anxious people need to think, you know, to take a step back, to see all the... Well, I find myself a generator of anxiety. You know, I had to be aware of that at some point, because it was going too fast in my head. But if I have a child, Juju, she's anxious. And Juliet forced me, but all this is very positive, to slow down. Because I saw that it was going too fast. And I said to myself, why is it always going so fast? Why? Why always want to be here now or never? She's not there. I mean, we were leaving, I had already packed my suitcase, and she asked me, but where are we going? What am I going to put in my suitcase?

So I was like, I'm not going to take my suitcase. Everyone should think we're going on a trip. We're leaving, stop asking questions. But What am I putting in my suitcase? It gives you an image of... So it's anxious, not to... not to try everything on them, they ask a lot of questions. And I'm like, no, stop it, let's go, let's go!

It's going to be fun, it's going to be beautiful! It's going to be great fun! But she wonders when the fun is going to happen, for example. But you just said a sentence that... I'm going to leave, and tonight, it's the one that will pass. I'm generating anxiety. I'm probably that, me too. Oh, I'm sorry.

But that's what I do sometimes, I tell my judge, oh, okay, okay, I'm sorry. But she's the one who's right. Because I find that to always go and see her, you don't give you much. But just... In any case, she taught me to put down my luggage instead of always holding them in the air. But you know, I think there was also a question of, we have so many things to manage that we have to settle things quickly. I've seen a lot of things like that, you know.

I'm talking it a lot. I think that... You're talking about mental charge. Mental charge. Yes. We have so many files as mothers, and you add work and family activities. So we have so many files that at some point, if you take the time for each case, you don't realize the three quarters or half of what you have to do. So I think there's also maybe that. I'm trying to find an explanation. Yes, that's it. But by saying, I should be able to calm down now.

But it's better now, anyway. We're able to verbalize it. Yes, but that's what's important. That's what's important. Red level, you're going to give me three, please. Yes. Me, anxiety generator, you're going to remember that. Well, yes. That's how I'm going to call myself now. Yes, but you know, I. Well, yes. That's how I'm going to call myself now. You know, I'm an old-fashioned generator. But I've always given the image that Juju, when she was little,

because now it's okay, but when she was little, I didn't understand what was going on. And one day I said to myself, OK, when you say without a roof over the flowers of the carpet, but her flowers were really in three dimensions. I was going over it, you understand. I crushed all those flowers. And the image I them, you know? I would crush all of them. And the image I have is like I had to sit next to her and really look at what she saw.

In what she was generating to her, that insecurity and that question. And it really helped me in my life to do that. And after that, I realized that I also had friends who were anxious, but seriously, before, I didn't know what anxiety was. Now we talk about it a lot, but 30 years ago, we were talking about it. We never talked about it. We didn't say, I have an anxious child. At the same time, there are some who are anxious, but it seems that we didn't name it that. And then I realized that, okay, I just understood this reaction from my friend. It's anxiety. And once we understand that, my God, we're more open to what the other feels inside.

Because anxiety is invisible. Absolutely. So sometimes now with my son, I want to immediately put the cards on the table. Here's what's going to happen. And here's... What's your worst scenario in there? According to you. We're going to happen. And here's what's your worst scenario in there, in your opinion. We're going to elaborate things right away. And I think it also dramatizes you a lot. But he also found the tools that help him. And that's why I told you, I think he's beautiful, I think he's wonderful.

Because he found the tools and he worked a lot on his anxiety. But I'm able to see him in others, but it's a very difficult line for those who live with it. I can understand that there are levels of anxiety. And then, they're basically the same age with Juju. She's also going to look for tools outside, but I also think that they've experienced the pandemic many times. Yes. That didn't help. And we could understand, being not anxious people, that it could represent being anxious.

Because it's probably the time I was the most anxious in my life. When I look at that, I tell myself, OK, we don't control anything. The worst scenario was disguised. He was named. We could believe it. Red level, you give me three questions. Wait, I gave you the other ones. Let's see, excuse me, I'm going to try because I'm back.

It's going to be quick. No, no, it's not going to be quick, but we won't get it. Have you already reached your physical or psychological limits? What is your relationship with death? What is your biggest with death? What is your biggest insecurity source? Okay. I'll answer only one. I'll go with... Have you already reached your physical or psychological limits? Because I think we're in 2018, when it happened to me.

I had a mini-crash, but at the time, I didn't really know what I was living, that is to say that... and maybe it's symptoms of perimenopause, because I don't know yet if I had it. So... it's another case. But I remember, for the first time, not wanting to work, not wanting to think about creating projects, even though I'm always a girl who thinks about the next project, or who wants to do projects, or... And to feel tired, burnt. But I didn't see a doctor for that. I didn't feel like a little ball in my bed, but I that I felt less solid, that I found it more difficult. And I remember that at one point I said to myself, I have to go train, I have to go walk.

And I started doing that. It started to do me good, but it was like several months to have to work on it and not feel good, but not enough to warn people, but I hid it a little. But at the same time, it requires energy to hide it too. Yes, but it seemed like I had the impression that I couldn't be vulnerable. You know, it really seemed like I had this impression at home, that I couldn't be vulnerable. But it was me who put that pressure on myself. I'm not saying that it was them who made me feel like that. And when they were the children and my husband, it was with them that I lived.

My husband, my ex-husband, my husband of the time. I think it was me who felt that I should always be strong for them. So I kind I hid that. Where does this need to come from, to be strong? I don't know. It seems that... Well, in fact, I think I very quickly had the impression that I had to be the person in charge in my circle. You know, I'm the big sister when my mother dies, and I'm the only daughter. So I'm the big sister when my mother died, and I'm the only daughter. So I definitely took more responsibility.

After that, I found myself in an apartment with co-workers who were a little less responsible than me. So I also took care of that. So I think that my whole life, it seems that I took that position. I didn't question it that much, but I was in it 100%, because I give myself 100% in life. So I feel like that's what brought me here. You're responsible. I'm responsible. So you can't be vulnerable.

Well, that's what I... It's probably the equations that I was doing, so I couldn't be vulnerable. Well, that's what I... That's probably what I was doing. So I couldn't be vulnerable. You know, I allowed myself, with my close friends... I've always, you know, with my close friends, cried, said what difficulties I had. But without... You know, for the men in my life,

I didn't want to be vulnerable. What happened, do you think? I don't know. It seems like I didn't want to be vulnerable. What happened, do you think? I don't know. It seems like I didn't want to see that scenario. Like, am I going to destabilize them? Are they going to be okay? That's what worries me. It was to break the family balance.

Everyone is in the right position at the moment. If I undo that, will it turn out well? Will they be okay? I think that's what I was thinking a little bit. So that they could have maybe, or they could have supported really to allow myself to be vulnerable in front of anyone. I think that's a job, an exercise that will be important for me to do. And in the next joint I'm going to have, I'm going to choose someone with whom I can quickly be vulnerable. It's very important to me. Because I think that honestly, in intimate relationships, vulnerability makes you get even closer. Oh, well, that's for sure. It's a gift. You give to the other person too, in fact, it's a gift. It's a commitment. Yes, yes, it's a commitment of love, you know, to To say that it's important or important in my life.

I want to show you something that no one sees. But did they feel it? Of course they felt it. They know me. How long did it last? It lasted at least a year. Not enough for it to be too difficult for the people around. We saw that I had less energy. But it wasn't you who started things up again, compared to what you were doing on YouTube. So they also realized it by my lack of training, my lack of enthusiasm.

And then it seemed that training saved me a lot. And then I was reading and I didn't consult at the time. And I read a lot, the Recherche 100 Mois wanted to find solutions. And it looked like I helped myself to climb the slope, and here we go. And then I found my energy, my desire to do things. And not long after the pandemic happened, so I thought, but... And not long after the pandemic happened, I thought, Ah, but... We haven't talked about the fact that you saw your biological mother again.

And I remember when we worked together, it was a big question for me. Because I knew it was easy for you, if I'm not mistaken, to find her again. And you didn't do it. For me, it's always been a big question mark, a mystery to say something to the point of no feeling, no matter what, it wasn't for you. What makes you decide to go and choose to meet this person. Because we did a special show with you, my brothers, on adoption. We did shows with two girls in the morning on adoption. Yes, we did. Yes, we talked a lot. But you know, I was always telling you, one day I'm going to want to thank him for putting me in the world.

You know, I've always said that sentence to you. The trigger element is when I did your show, with two girls, and there was Josée Dittou-Michaux on the set, there was Patrice Godin. Patrice had just found her mother. Yes, who was in the Canadian West. And during the show, I explain that I would like to say thank you to her one day. Since I became a mother, I know what it's like to have a child. So I understand even more the gesture she made by carrying me for nine months, by giving me an adoption.

She wrote a beautiful letter explaining her gesture. I never felt that I was abandoned by her. I just felt that she didn't have a choice. She was young and it was the most beautiful gift she could give me. So I don't have any bitterness, I'm not angry, I don't have any frustration with this person. And I tell this story. And at the end of the show, it's Josée Littaud who says to me, but why don't you do it? Do it. So that's what made me do it. Hey, you know what? I'm going to do the steps.

So I did the steps. COVID-19 came, so for two years I didn't hear about it. And then, at some point, I got a call and they said, yes, you asked me, you made a request to find your file, we're yours. And I said, oh yes, oh yes, my God, it's true, I did that. So they said, do you still want to pursue? Well, yes, let's go.

So it was that, and it was very fast indeed, between the moment I talked to to this person and the moment I found my biological mother. So, that's it. But I explained the process and I had the chance to say thank you to her. We still talk, we see each other from time to time. So it's a great privilege to be able to say thank you to her and that she can see that I have grown up well and that I have had a good life. And she too, I think, it allows me to see the woman who gave me birth, the woman who instilled in me certain things. Despite her, there are things in which I recognized myself. I thought, yes, it probably comes from her, this side of me. Physically, what you imagined it like, because I imagine you had an image of what your biological mother could look like.

I just had an image of a woman with brown hair. So yes, she has brown hair. But I didn't have a physical image. It's funny. I don't know why. When you look at yourself, you say biologically. But when I look at her, I don't think I look like her. OK.

I don't think I look like her. I look like her on other points, but not physically. Not physically. But she's white. But maybe we have the same face. I tried to see... I tried to see the first time I met her. When she was talking, I was looking at her and I was like... Wow, that's funny, that's my mother. It's a foreigner, but it's that person who gave me life.

It's a particular feeling. Completely. Yes. Was the first meeting intimidating? In fact, what I found the most stressful, and I don't remember being as stressed as that, was when we gave ourselves our first phone call. It was the evening after I finished the radio.

That night, I was going to call him, but I had dinner with the kids, with Danone, and I wasn't able to eat, and I said, OK, I think we said it at 8 o'clock. But all along, I said to myself, OK, what am I going to say? How do I break the ice? What am I going to say? What do you say to someone you don't know, but who is your mother? And how do you start? You started the process.

I started the process. So I said to myself, we are two women who have worked in communication, I think we should be right. So it started like... I was very stressed. I think I had no saliva. And she immediately answered the phone. Hello! Finally! And I think I broke my ice by saying, well, we are both stressed, but we are two women in communication, so we're going to be okay. Then she started laughing and we started to chat. Then she explained to me how she received the request, how the whole process went. We started like that.

Then she asked me questions, I asked her questions. So that was it. But you know, it's special too because she has access to all my life through documentaries. The two girls in the morning, there are plenty of things she had access to. So, from the moment she knew that I was her daughter, she had lots of documents in front of her that could serve her. And she didn't doubt it before, as you were in the public sphere and you talked about it.

No, but you know what? She lived in Ottawa for many years. So, she's Francophone, but she lived in Ottawa for many years. She didn't see the shows we did. So she didn't make the connection, but she told me, I've always liked the personality you were. And even that she saw my coup de foudre with Sébastien and that she had taken addresses of places that I suggested, because she liked my personality and my choices. So, you know, it's funny.

Well, I understand. Did she have other children? No. No, she didn't have other children. She had an extraordinary career. I think she accomplished a lot. She's a very independent woman, she's brilliant, extremely cultivated. She traveled all over the world, she lived in places very far away. She had a beautiful life too. And I'm happy about that too because she couldn't have done everything she did with a child. That's it. I think the two of us have won in this situation. What does it change in your life to have met her? Well, it's for sure that I wouldn't have liked to have had the chance to say thank you. That would have was a regret.

So I'm so happy. It changes in life... I don't know yet. It's been like two years since we've met. We learn to... We still take advantage of each other. I don't know what to answer on that. That is to say that she will always be part of my life because I...

Now that I know her, I don't want to get her out of my life. That's clear, clear, clear. And I don't know what shape our relationship will take. It will take the shape it will take and it's time that will tell me. And I don't want to put myself under pressure about this relationship. I don't want her to be in it either. I hope she's not in it. But I'm happy to know where I'm coming from, in the end.

I didn't think I needed to be there. I always told you that it didn't bother me not to know. And today I'm happy. As I told you, there are things that make more sense. Now in my head, I think it comes from her. Because she talked to you about your father. Yes, she talked to me about my father. And she gave me the chance if I wanted to meet him.

But I'm fully satisfied. It looks like I have... Well, it's the heureuse, don't question me too much. There are bits of mystery that I like to keep mysterious. It's obvious, huh? You know, I'm a girl who's curious in life. There are lots of things I want to learn. But it looks like there's a part of mystery in this story that I like to keep. And Michel is also your father. Yes, that's right. Yes, too. Yes. Yes. But you know, my father, Michel, he was so happy.

He always wanted that. It's not like I have parents who stopped me. On the contrary, he was so happy. And I kept him in the loop. He wants to meet her. All of that, I think it's beautiful. No, my father never felt threatened. If I wanted to do the process for my biological father, I could do it, but I'm okay. And maybe in ten years, I'll change my mind. Maybe you'll do an episode where I'll be like, Okay, I have to go to the hospital before I find him. I don't know. I don't know.

But I didn't know that this episode was going to be the trigger for that. Absolutely. Because it's true that the story of Patrice was beautiful too. It was so beautiful. It's touching. All these stories. And there are stories of adoption that are not beautiful, and there are stories of adoption that are difficult. So I pay attention too because I know that there are some who live huge pains.

And when you get rejected for the first time, and you try to get in touch with someone and they reject you a second time, it must be very difficult. There are some for whom it's not easy, so I'm aware of that. There are some beautiful adoption stories, but there are also many that are not as beautiful as that. You listened to yourself, you took the time when you were ready. Yes, because there are two things. First, rejecting something with which I have difficulty. I have a little difficulty managing rejection, but like everyone else, I don't think anyone is coming into it, but it takes a lot of work. So I think that all my life, I wanted to be strong enough to tell myself, the day you're going to do your research, not knowing how the other person will react,

if they don't want to see you, you have to be able to take it and say it has nothing to do with you. So I think I was in my life thinking, it has nothing to do with me, it doesn't want to see me, it belongs to her. So no matter what happened, I was going to be in peace. So I waited for the time, the moment I felt it. I think that brings us to the erotic level. Oh yes, that's level. We chose four! Yes, exactly. You chose four, you answer in one. You have four questions. You chose three. I took some.

Thank you. In the Eros and Companions level, what is your definition of desire? Is sexuality a taboo subject in your family? How did your intimate life evolve over time? Wow, that's a good question. Did you talk about that in my childhood or in my family? No, no, it can be that one, but it's especially in your childhood. Was it something easy to talk about? But it's easier. You think you can go into both worlds. You're disappointed. Yeah, you too. I'm saying, no, that's it.

Especially where you were. We're going elsewhere. Okay. My definition of desire is to want to touch that person, to be stuck on that person, to be physical with that person, even when you're angry with them. Did you miss that in your other relationship? No, because we really had a good sexuality, anyway. Well, that's going to be an excellent teaser for everyone. But when you talk about... But in the end, yes, in the end, so yes, I missed it.

In the end, of course, we had less physical contact, we had fewer moments to touch, we were less connected, necessarily. And you, you're that, you know, touching me, I like that feeling that physically you're there next to me, you know. I find that beautiful, I find that fun. And I'm like that too in life. I like that, you know, putting my hand in my cat's hair, I like that, fluttering it, I like that, touching it. So yeah, that's... So that's a first, in your desire, to want to touch it. Yes, yes. And what do you look at first? Are you together or...? I realize that the whole, it's the energy of a guy, will come to me first and foremost. What is it that comes out? I need someone, you know, a guy who is confident, who is funny, who has self-dissolution. I find that sexy. Who is intelligent, hey, I find that full sexy. Yeah. So it's really energy.

There's something together. Even if my good guys are surprised by guys that I... Hey, he's doing me the effect, or this guy is doing me the effect. They're like, oh yeah, we wouldn't have thought, you know, like... I find that funny too. Maybe I discover myself through that. When you've been with the same person for 30 years and you don't question it. I was faithful for 30 years. So I'm like,

what do I like? I'm a guy now, today, at 53, what do I like? So I discover myself at the same time. Do you get a lot of cruise? I get cruise, yes. But you know, sometimes my friends tell me that I'm getting a lot of crushes because I'm not good at realizing it. I've always been the best friend in high school, guys. And especially guys I was flirting with, I was always their best friend.

So I always have the impression that guys see me as a friend, first. Not as a potential lover. Yeah. So you know, sometimes they tell me, «He's having a crush on you». «Oh yeah? Oh yeah?» You think «Oh yeah?» «Oh, okay!» Sometimes I need to be told, «If you have a crush on someone and you tell me you're having a crush on them, okay, okay!» So the guy shouldn't be discreet about crossing the line.

Yeah, it's more... I'm less like... But maybe I'll be trained better now. Maybe with time, I'll become better. But I admit that it takes me more time to decode what's going on. Do you like to beuce or to be seduced? That's a good question. I like to seduce. Hey, do you realize that I haven't used my Joker H yet? I don't think you'll use it. There aren't many questions that scare me.

I'm too transparent, that's the problem. So, do I like to... Well, it's fun to be seduced. It's fun to be seduced. It's fun to be seduced. I like to be seduced too because I feel that I have more confidence in myself than I had at 19. That's clear. And I have nothing to lose today. Before, I was preoccupied with whether I would live off rejection. If I approached a guy and said I was interested. Today, I have less of that fear, in the sense that, yes, you reject me, you reject me. It's not what you did. I'm not there, I'm not saying that.

But I know what I'm worth. And I said to myself, well, that's how I have to take it. It doesn't go in the eyes of the other. No. But at the same time, I realize that, let's say, in the eyes of guys, I never valued myself either by sexuality or a guy who absolutely wants to sleep with me. There are women who are like that, and the quantity is important, and they value themselves in it, and it's their business. I'm not there. I'm more of a quality person. important, pis se valorise là-dedans pis c'est leur affaire. J'suis pas là. T'sais, moi j'suis plus quelqu'un de qualité pis j'aime mieux être vue comme une fille que t'as envie de marier plutôt qu'un fantasme sexuel.

T'sais, j'aime beaucoup mieux être vue comme une femme que t'as envie de marier. Bien, j'te souhaite en tout cas de... Je me marierai pas, mais d'être en couple éventuellement. I wouldn't notice, but to be in a relationship eventually. But what I like is your openness. Not everyone has an openness. To say, I'm available and I make it seem. Yes. No, not everyone has one? No, no. In fact, do they want to meet and they don't want it to appear if you're in a relationship? I have friends who want to meet, but it should happen at their door one morning.

Because there's a timidity. And at the same time, there have to be events, there have to be activities. It's not always easy to meet new people. No, no, no, no, not on the face. No, that's it. So, what do you do? Yes, I agree. Sometimes it's going to be, well, listen, I have a cousin who is interested in Batta, and people who are going to propose you meetings. But what I hear is, what do you do? Where do you go? You sign up for a marching group.

You say, well, I'm hosting events, I'm participating in events, and it gives me the opportunity to meet new people. But it's certain that the work we have makes sure that we can meet a lot of people. Exactly. We are always surrounded by people. Now, if I worked at home and did some work, it would be much more difficult, and I would probably be on the apps quickly, maybe that would be it. But yes, I think we don't have the choice to leave our comfort zone, to be a little violent and to go to other people. If you're invited to a party, you go. But all the time with the idea of

I just want to meet new people and we'll see what will develop. It's difficult and I imagine that since I haven't been single for a long time, it's easier to say. Maybe when I'm 5, 6, 8 years old, if I'm still single and I haven't met anyone, maybe I'll be in a hurry and I'll find it hard to go to a place and just meet people and say hi. But for now, that's how I see it. It's a beautiful disposition, anyway. We'll see. Last question, Isabelle. The optoraiso question.

If you looked at your life through the eyes of little Isabelle, what would she see? If I looked through the eyes of little Isabelle. If you looked at the big Isabelle. Yeah, yeah. I'd say I made made my way at least in terms of complexes. What are your complexes? I've had plenty, Marie-Claude. I wasn't good enough. I found myself ugly. I thought I wasn't enough. I was never enough for the others, in my opinion.

So I did a lot more to be loved. I didn't like my body. I had the trouble of accepting my skin color. Everything was difficult at that level. But it was all that. But at the same time, because I felt like I didn't have a choice to work on my personality, I worked on my personality. So it wasn't negative, all that. But that's it. So, you know, today, I tell myself, I'm so good. I'm proud of who I am, but I'm good in my skin. I love my body. I love how I feel inside. I've never been in shape as well in my head. I've left a lot of complexes. I'm much more indulgent towards myself, the look I wear on myself.

No, I'm really proud. So, that's it. But you had to go through all that to be there. But it's a lot of awareness, it's a lot of work on you, what you just said. It doesn't happen quickly, all that. No, no, it's decades of work. So basically, the little girl would be proud of how big you've become. We went as far as you went in your feelings. Yes, in my feelings. Not in what the others saw, in what you felt. Not in what the others saw. In what you felt.

Does it make you feel like you're enjoying life more? When you're not being digested by complexes. When it's really congesting the mind. We're so much freer now. At all levels. You know, the look of others is much less important. So I do what I want to do. Because sometimes you stop and there are things you decide not to do

because you're afraid of what others will think. And when I say others, it's not necessarily Pierre Jean-Jacques, it's the others, your loved ones. Just the people around you, what they will think of you. So just to get over a lot of things like that, it's so good. And you feel free. There's something that makes you have an energy and you want to be... You want to go to others too. You want to help others. You want them to be good. It's like I'm getting into it. But it's very inspiring because there are a lot of people who are

getting into their complexes, in fact, they are getting into it. They are congested, I think that was the word. Yes, it's a beautiful word for writing, I think. And they don't take advantage of what they see, because there's too much traffic. They don't see the way to get to the other and to finally make your life smooth. To remove all those voids. How many years did it take you to get to be the woman you are in front of me? It was done step by step, but I would say I got there maybe five years ago. Ok, that's recent.

Yes, it's recent. Yes, it's recent. Like, to fix everything, it's recent. It's like it's at the top. Hey, I still have things to fix. I'm still in therapy. No, I'm still in therapy. I'm going to get better. But what I mean is that to free myself from a lot of things, it's recent. It's probably in the last 5-6 years. It's like it happened after your most difficult period in 2018. It was like a hand-holding.

You were completely alone from that, clearly. You know, my physical body, let's say, it happened after the two big breaks. I know that because I had just had a baby, my body had had a baby, and I found it wonderful. I told myself, you have nothing to do with not loving your body.

They come and give you two children. It's fascinating, they give you life, you carry it. So stop. So that was one of the moments, you know, after, you know, the color, my skin color was a little before, it was in the twenties, you know, a year ago I started to accept and then to be proud of it. So you know, these are stages of life. The last step is probably five years ago, when I got rid of judging others, of always wanting everyone to be okay and to want to please, you know, and to say, hey, what do I want in there? I have to think about myself too.

And I can be a good person without always putting others ahead of me. So that's it, I understood that. That's a great gift you made. Yes. Yes. What can we wish you from now on, Isabelle? To continue to feel like I feel now. I don't ask for more. Maybe a child eventually.

And your gazebo that stays intact. And my healthy children. I could name you. Finally, there are many children. But let's say that if I can stay in the spirit, And my healthy children... I could name you one. But let's say that if I can stay in that state, there's nothing I can't face. That's it. Well, I wish you all the best and to meet Oprah. So much!

Well, yes. But if you meet her... Yes, well, that's so positive. Do you envy me? Do you envy me? Do you want to be my assistant? Yes, but you're much more lucky than me, in any case, to meet Oprah. But if she came back,

could you host the conference? I know that! How come you don't do it? I'm not in the mood for that! I was surprised because when she came to Montréal, I think it was Mitsu who was hosting it. But I was sure it was going to be you. I know, it failed. I know it failed. I was in the names.

Oh no, I'm not close enough. Since I'm not close enough with Michelle Obama, I almost did it. I didn't do it. It's okay. It's okay. Life goes on. Life goes on. I give you all of that, my beautiful. Thank you. Oh yes, but I'm happy. It looks like we've gotten to the point. Yes, it's true. I'm really happy. We've seen all the best, my beautiful. Thank you. I'm happy. It looks like we're getting there. Yes, it's true.

I'm really happy. We've seen each other on the daily basis. We were telling each other our stories. Yes, our children were almost the same age. We were trying to see the mental change on the side. And it looks like we're elsewhere in our lives. Yes, we don't feel anymore. We breathe better.

Now it's our children who cook for us. That's why we make them do everything. Thank you, Isabelle Rassicault. Thank you. That's right. That's why we make them do everything. Thank you, Isabelle Rassicault. Thank you. Thank you everyone and see you at the next podcast. Bye bye. This episode was presented by Karine Jonquin,

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