Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette - #125 - Xavier Dolan | Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette

Episode Date: October 13, 2025

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we've not had been the time, we're not But it's not grave, because it me permit to you're in

because I'm terminated before. I received someone that I had had to have heard to have been over 15 years,

and at all the interviews, sometimes that we'd do you, and we'd do you interviewer?

And I responded systematically his name, it's Xavier Dolan. It's someone who has been

very impressioned in his career. When I see the film, I've seen my

I wanted to know who had written that. How a young man could have these reflections to have a recule also

on what he had perhaps he had something like something about a photographic in this film

and I always wanted to receive but for all sort of reason it has not

it has been today he's been today to open your show it's an for me

there's there's exciting it's like it's like realise a way, but to do it's a

professional and I'm all the time content to receive all the person people who are in me, but he's made and he's made

and I think it was a pain to attend also long time for it to receive. You'll see,

it's someone of real, of authentic, there's a great foeg, it's a person who has a rebellion

a little at the interior of him, but he has been so very generous with,

Ovretton Joe, he's It's been for real to do it's tented to

be there and I'm I'm so much I'm really really to have received

so I'm so I'm hard to present so so let's let's to get a

Xavier Dolan Have you had you been a child? Not long time

Not long long time it's between the age of one and four

five Then, after, it's a it's a mix of all sorts of epoch, of all sorts of milieu, of environment. But I think we're out of the territory of the infance.

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We can say that you're not imputed it's like you love, yeah, perfect.

I'm not upputed. The grand new thing. No, but I'd like to start with that. I'd like to make a

foot in the foot of my face, the go and the right, but it's not, it's like that,

even if I put my arm by the time, it's sure that I'd be able to

end up to my trot of that's a great introduction to our encounter, but,

but, but, but, thank you, Xavier Dolan. Hello. I'll

said, of entry to play in the opening, it was not at the opportunity, but I said

at a point, I'm like Daniel is you in your in his song, I'm trying

and that for the years, for real. So, so I see that, I see that

a great privilege. A grand privilege also, to exercise this and be

interviewer and to have the honor to get someone to come to be it's extremely

flatter, and I am very content to be here, and like you

said all a lot when we when I arrived, I'm I'm sure, I'm sure

to play I'm sure to play with a friend that's and I'm and I'm so I'm

so I'm so I'm yeah, and you know, the regs it's always it's good to have

the regs? We can't we're it's always it's what the convention and if I'm not

the convention if I'm not if I'm voluntarily, I'm there's for power maybe there's

it's broken before to know so I'm inverson la la but you but you're

not seen what's going to do you? Very very very very very well I don't know

it's what the degree of the delay between now and you have to you have to I'm trying

in two three months like something something like something something like let's well let's

well I'm I'm in I'm turning a pub who me who me who makes

all my time and my energy, but it's very positive, but then in the other of that,

because, you know, I'm going to pass these months, a year, one and a year and a year and a

time, there's a thing there's a thing, it's extremely exigent, and then energy-vaar, so,

I was in trying to to me ponier the bit, and to attend, in joining at the

odysseed to my telephone in my salon, that something that something that something that's

so, but, but, And then, in the little gig that

pretty gig, that's very good, the mental, the physical, all, is that?

Is that are often in this state that? It's it had long

that I had been not been. Yeah. What what's you'd

manke? The serenity? The serenity. The serenity, the, I try to try to an hygiene,

a mental and corporal. I'm not saying I'm not going to have not. No, but because I've started to take my douche, it's so much, I've discovered a whole, you know,

no, no, but an hygiene of life, and of, of, of the habitude, you know, of sport, of gym, to reconnected with, with,

with, um, these interlocuteer, like my Psy, like my, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

it's made to me, to me, to me, to give, and to, to, where is what is I'm doing, what I'm

doing, what I'm that I'm more also, also. There's a lot of things had you been having you impression that

had you had you had to be retombed the pushire for, you're just to watch

clear. It's because there's a lot of, there's a lot of, there's a lot of,

there's been a lot of, it's like, it's a time, I've been a lot of many, that I've got

against many years, and that I've got to let's retombe the pushire. It's like

it's all the time, there's all the time, there's always, you're in the fact, you're in fact,

because you're reactive, you provoke, you provoke, you provoke, and I appreciate that to you know, you know, there are

some people that we're considered like these rebels, but they're doing voluntarily. They don't, they're not rebel. They act, they're... Rebelled without a cause. Exactly. You know, I'm just not if we can say

rebel, I think that's a little far, but, but there's something, I think we can do, we're saying that, you're not, you're not, you're not, but, incarnate. It's what you're profoundly, and all, you're not, It's when you're in contact with the other that it makes

react to Yeah. It's to say that there's not an intention I'm not, I'm not, I'm not need to make to make sure,

I'm not to provoke, I don't, it's not strategic, it's not part of a strategy of a career, you know,

I mean, I want to talk to what I'm talking, I want to defend the causes that me

keep at heart, expose the problems that I'm enraged, and and reglay some expose in expose to

but it's not an effect it's a it's an instinct, it's a a business, so

so, so, yes, I'm someone reactive, I'm someone of sanguine because

all what I do in the life, I'm in a way, I'm entire, and,

and amoreous, and ardent and, and excessive, so, so it's a little it's a

little the history of my life to to learn

to dote these instincts and these ardeor to choose

some moment for some for sometimes rugir and

other times and it's very difficult and when you

be a figure public there there There's a lot of things that you control

not. So, you're in reaction to some of the things that you have not

and at the moment that you have not chosen, so, and it's, let's,

we're not, we exercise not, we, we're, we're, we're, on our

lives, necessarily and on, on the, the moment of reaction, the time of reaction,

the, you know, the, you know, who are not to compose with an image public or they have an intimacy

total they're doing what they want to they don't know they don't they don't they're not they're not

they're not they're not but in the same what I'm what I'm saying presently you've installed a routine

and that you control your routine exactly exactly but it's so in talking

in talking to control it's it's accepted just what I control and what you

control. But you have already you're in control. So, you're repried

like a control on your on the whole and so. And on my

cotidien and just in the accession of, sometimes I realize

that I'm in fact not I'm, I realize that I long

been in combat against and in the problem and

that in the diversity I wanted to find a culable

or I just just in cris that there is something that's not tabarnack

why that it's not that's not that's it should and that I realize at what

um um you know yeah at yeah at a point you've passed to pass

a lot of yeah yeah so that yeah so I've been invest this energy

in the resolution of these problems and finally then it can be there can be

some there's on a lot of time there all the things things

and at a end of We can goce and spogny and be able to be, be, being in chris, but there's nothing the more efficient, then to find a solution, and to not be in the reaction, to be in the resolution? Is that you ready to open your own? Is it ready?

It's a fair. It's a lot of time. It's a problem to do. Well, so, excuse me, these questions of order general. Niveo-jones, it's some questions more specific. At the level Ruge, it's some questions

personal The question for the Niveau on the question Spaceman the level eras and

the company intimate and sexual. And the question optorizos is the cell

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on the table, they're kind of as well. You'll give me five. Is it? Five, I'm done five on total. Is you've already done to try to go to

cart? Yes. Is that it's going regularly? I'm not. There's someone who

has made a lot of a master. It was super and it was a tarot and it

it was impressive at which there was an alignment with not an aligment of it

I'm to talk that it and that it's really quite it was

pretty it was it much it worked So I've done five. I've done it. But you want that you

that's that you can't, yeah, one at the one at a one at a one of the

okay. So, so I don't five. Verte. Verte. Verte. Verte.

Five verte. Oh, I'm, okay, these two there, yeah, there's not

than that that's, no, there's there's just there, so I'm so I'm

so I'm so you can let's see you can't you can't you can't you can't you can't

you can't you'll respond to and then I'll ask you to answer to respond. Okay.

We'll respond to the question to see that. What important to accord you to regard

of the other what? What do you in your life? What is your poor

default? How react you to you to the authority? What's we're on the

reproach the most often? Mm-hmm. That's you're that's the best questions

that for me. Yes. You can't well. You can't Maybe even better than

I know more than I know me even. Um, I'll choose one. Yeah.

Um, I'm sorry, in fact, between one that's like, like, confrontational for me, uh,

or one who, that's more more I'm I don't what to do you

do you do you do you're doing to do you like that but I'm

I'm I'm I'm a I'm a I'm a curiosity morbid invert

what is your per default but I I should

not I'm I'm so I'm so I can I'm

place takes place in the So you can he respond. What place

to take an life? Enorm in my Um,

in in, in in, in, in, in, really,

um, a place really enormous in my life, I, I've always had always

had these friends who have been There are some of the fars, in fact, in the night, in the tempest, but also

some of the repair, even in the quietude. I've always gravity. The family is very... I imagine that we're opposed always, if it's not the amitia,

then, you know, we have tend to often to compare it. It's not that I compare, because I have very far with my family, my two families to the side of my

father, my family, and my mother, my family in general, you know, I'm going to change of the feet. Oh, I've been put in circulation in. But me turn to

my and the amitia by the need of comfort, of tranquillity, of

comfort, it's something that I always did, solicit the view, the opinion of

on my projects, on my amos, I've never been someone who has never been someone who gets the things for so, of all the evidence. But is you have these amies of long-doubt

that comes? I have these amies of long-date, I have these amy new, it's something that I like to cultivate the

amitia, I am in discover, I am the endretneer, I can't say that I am

me and debarassed but it's true that I'm not a rapport conflictual

or toxic or I'm like they have a respect the am a place so much

that I respect to have to have to have to confront my my

friends as I'm that I need that they can be also

and me and I'm when when these am

when these it's precious for me to to put a regard to me say, oh my God

you know with this person that I'm there after that after that after that then we've

evolved we've changed we've changed positively and and and

I've had had many many and I'm in my life

sometimes I've been puted more one person and at other repris,

at other at other times, at other more than one there's there's not there's

that I've that I'm from the infancy with my cousins that I that I

just that I have been always like if it's my my my sister my friends

my cousins and there is something of an all the time in the cuisineage. Is it Is it part

the more the more the more because I'm like my cousins with my cousins I'm always like that's

depending on which is the family in my family of my my mother I'm in the family of my two, we're the two

we're the two we're the two I'm sorry I'm like you're shoo-choo-t when I'm when I'm the when I'm like

you've been the I've been but it's all the time had all the time been in the rapport

very amicos, you know, of confidence, you know, and what's it's a thing,

there's a there's a question kind of, of your way, the fact that sometimes

you're to invest in something and that you're in love, or in amitia,

the people can't not understand and to you're reproach of the absence

or you can you can you can always to get at the house, in the

house or in the family, I mean. Of all the way, I have not this relation in amity no more of reproche

or the people There's not there's a there's there's a that I'm in there's not there's not

there's not there's not my time. There's a many people who are in the community in a lot of

there's a very much there's a minute that we've had been a few we're not we're not

we're not we're not we're not we're just we're just to be in the I'm just I've been

I'm me reproached and I tried to try to try to You're exigent over the other? Well, no, but, you know, sometimes I'm ennui

and I'm inue, and I've put to say to get to be all the time but, you know, we don't what we can, and when we're

together, it's good to not pass this time that, to be playing of what we've not used or to envisaged

what we could be able to learn of a long of a well, but now we're we're seeing there, we're

on the, we're just, we're together, we, And so, we'll profitons. And then, but for conclude, so the place that's that's the place that's a place, none,

all the place, in fact, I'm going to eat with my amy, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm train with my friends, I'm doing with my

friends, I'm doing my film and I'm doing it's all in my life is all right in my life there's nothing in

the distance or the froudeor where there all the time finally a a dynamic amical that is made in

place. I'm not obliged to be friends with someone to work with or what I

mean to say that I'm saying that I'm not selective I think I'm the am

the amity easy, I have the chale and of of the amity to donate. And so

if I can't a person that has this same propension that

to donate and we're we're to get to be in amities.

Is that you do you do you do you absolutely absolutely and

and sometimes I think that it's interesting also to have to have

the amitiers in these circles different to change a bit of, you know, there's a

Camelianism a little in our copinage that's in sort that, as well, there's a lot there's a lot in the moods

in the love also you know, you know, it's essential to, you know, admire, it's not to say, you know, you've got to

get by the cash and it's not that admiration that, it's the admiration of the people or the grand or

the modern and it's, we think we're just an, No, no, no, admire I'm, I admire on the

everyday, your rigour, you do, you do, you do your routine, you bring your coffee,

you place your tass, you choose these, these things beautiful, you, you're an

agar at the, to, you're like, you're like, when, you're like, it's,

it's more, it's more platt, there, but I'm, but I'm the personality of certain person,

I, who, who, who, surprise, it's important in admiration and so because we're because we're

we're seeing enormously, we want to possesses the things beautiful, or we even rire like the other, we want to imitate

the rhythm of the locution of a person and for me a sign there's something there can be something that

when we're in an extreme but for me it's a good sign of these imprints that we're imprints to those

that we're some of the trets. You can have to be on the money but you

understand it's interesting sometimes to create these amalgam and that there is a metisage

in these groups there and generally I see that the friends that I want to

understand all the one with the other even if they come to they're

different and in some the differences that are some different but it's on your

side also over, you know, it's accompleted all our facet. But it's their

open to them also, so I'm not sure that's, I'm entourer not of people, I'm not

, you know, it's important for me to talk, to talk, the curiosity, you, pose some questions,

debatt, talk, um... Yeah, sometimes it's many ways, it's interesting, so.

But I think that's essential, in fact, because if we have just the knee and the head in one

the same and the same to we're we're we're in it's

it's it's it's it's flat it's the question.

It's sure there's I'm going to I'm going to you're you know

if you were you were you were the authority the authority but it's sure that

you react to react to we can we can you go with what

you're with what you do you with what I'm I'm I'm I'm

um I'm I'm I'll I'll go, I'll I'm going to I'm going to take to

how you regard of the other. Because it can be evolved so too

in the time. It's that's going to it's it's it has evolved

it, it has evolved. The great question there's who are

these others? Is that it's the regard of my family? Is it

the regard of my family? is that it's the regard of the public? Is it the regard of the critic, of the journalists,

the industrialists, it's the regard of who? And is, is that, is a priori, is bienveying? And,

and that's the question that, I understand that I'm that I'm need to be able to me

to put in all, before to accorded this importance that, to give this importance

to someone to me... You have to have a, you've got a gradu, when not gradu, it's

not the word, like a gradator, I have I, I, I,

I, yeah, it's that. It's a say, you know, it's a,

it's a, so, I'm, Yes, it's that. Because because... Because... Because...

Because... Well... Because your intensity, if you're always that's always that I'm

there in and... And... And... I... I'm not... I'm... I'm not...

I'm... ...proteged to that in the past. I... ...and... ...and... life,

many of energy, many of anger, so, of love, because it's these sentiments,

I think, that they have a mutuality, who have an intensity very proche, even that they're

very different. We're not in the indifference. No. We're in something that makes

reactire, in the two cases, you're react Yeah. And I'm I'm

left to be blessed to and it's it's also that the fact that well, the regard

of the other count, yes for because the other is my interlocutor I'm,

I'm not that's to sell to make these films. Dabba so, well,

then, obviously, I do do it in community when they create,

but I mean, I say, I address to someone.

I'm, I'm address to these others. So, it's sure that if

all the people me Ayi and that he's a man, he talks in a cute-pull

and he he's he's for a way, well, okay, we're,

we're, we're, that there's a denominator common, or that I have some to change

or there and then after that, it's part of the game, I'd say, it's not really

the game to be quite the game of because we're doing it's more than to understand

what we've to grow and to grow and evolve there's an aspect academic in the

idea of there's not just an aspect emotive or artistic there's an aspect academic

in the creation and in the cinema but is is that young already

you were reactive to regard of the other I'm I'm I'm sorry I'm sorry

I'm well I think no. I think no. I think that when I've started to me penchee and to me present and to me expose

even in a manner inconsiant at the beginning, to expose, to expose my intimacy and then, you know, my films comport these elements autobiographical

but are largely fictive and in the most grand percentage, you but it's just that there's of the intimity of me,

of my family, of the people that I've observed that I'm that I'm insert in these intrigues, because I

want that the people can be there are a rapport human, you know, that's that's created with the public.

Um, I've heard what I was in trying to say, you were, I'm wondering if I, I,

I'm sorry, I'm not, I'm sorry, I'm, I'm going to, but at the moment when I've

started to me recounted, well, these films that, in the fond, is what I

think, it's what I'm to say, I'm going to the regard of the other. I could not not not

not to have to be in detached completely and I'm on callisse at a contrary,

I've never never understood and the realisattors and the realator and I

read not that the critic. Lie not not that. Not no need to be sure. I've never

read a critic of my I'm like oh yeah yeah you can't you can't

know what you can just a a little what the people think there there was

there was a mipry of the critique that I mepriced because when it

constructive the critique when it's not personal or that's not personal or

there's interesting to me at a moment of many the amos imaginare

there there was a critic who had it's because that, you know, we're past from a clip of music to a other.

So, there's not a lot of material between the two, and at a minute, it's a

series of clip of music. It's like, yeah, yeah, it's a film musical after that

I'm dede not, but I thought it interesting, you know, to understand that all

to understand that all a matter then, if there's there's too of success clipesque

of music, we can't not it's invests emotionally. We can say, oh, it's beautiful, oh, the ralanty, oh, the robe, oh, the song, all of that, but

a film, it's an history that we're not just these images. It's not malintentioned. It was just factual. It's a visual, it's so, it's factual. So, it's interesting. If you do it, you know, to learn, to that, and I've learned

also, oh, it's yin' the ralanty, it's just like, I'm like, yeah, there's many, there's a lot, we're You know, we're going to We're going to We're going to In the

next We're in In fact, my grand rupture with the world of the critic has existed

in my life because I liked that The critic I mean I was like I'm learning I'm

to learn, I'm trying what I had who I had, who I'm and I'm always used

some negative It's not Ah, it's a story of love, and at a moment, and the people have put, I'm trying to do make a film of marred,

and then the people have made, you know, the marred, it's more complex than that. I've seen that at a moment, he had

started to have a thing very personal, and then, and at after that, I've been to learn to be

to be able to so. So, we've been to this protection that, that we're to do it

to myself, because at a moment done I, I'm I'm trying that, yes,

it was it's serve to nothing. I'd say not there's

not that it's not quite there's not, but I could not take

the risk to me to me, to me, to, to, to, to,

to, the lecture that would be hurt by me to make to do mal,

by nourire of the insacurity obsessionel who, who do not make,

but they just me return more more more more and create some with the

with the I can can't Well, we'll create not with with these doubts. But what you say, but what you say, it's appellate

to, but we're doing, but what you say it's appellate to people, you know, who will have some of

different, at different moments of their life on different things, and it's dosed the importance, because if you

you'd make to doubted to change for one person who has critiqued and that you're going to you know,

and they're... And, you know, because they're the regard of the when a critic, is based on

a judgment of value or a projection of the person of an idea that it's made to do

on you, we're doing what with that, you know, I'm too of the relanty,

too too so, too long, too superficial, too too,

so, that, to play too group, perfect, but there when we

end in ah, he does have done this film that in

sense if you're not in my head and then you're not to

be able to let and you you're not you're not okay I'm

I mean he said he he's a film on what it's

to be an genie and to move and to get self

but but you your point of depart is just of

the regard yeah to choose, yes, the regard, that's what, in a, you know, in a film, if it's a trait to this film, if it's

something that I can change. We're also to control. Is that I can't control that, or is I can't control that? If you're, and that you find, see, and that you try the person

that I'm trying, and that I can't change that I can't change that a time, a travel, or a through a choice cosmetic or artistic or narrative, It's not all right.

So, you're in a period where it's like if you're in apprenticeship to doze

the reactions face the regard of the other is they're going to say, I've had a, it's a

time, it's, I'm saying, well, I'm saying, I'm, I'm not, I'm going, I'm saying,

but there are there's, no, I'm going, I'm, I, I, I, I, I,

I, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm,

capital, to the critical, while there are the critic also that we do we find our friends, that's

that's the regard of the other but it's not just the regard in the space public, so and the regard on Reddit

of a lady that says, in the case, in the case, I'm going to get back, but there,

you can't, you know, my grand time had to mourn't, I, so I'd do nothing,

my thing, and it's, it's plat, but, but, but, all,

I'm going, it's there's figurant on a plateau, and I've seen this female

and she she was very fresh and okay the gang of Pott of Vee of Christ

who pass their time to cast the sugar on the door of the people

in putting their grain of salt on what these people think that they

feel this culture that me it's me care

I I'm I don't know of that and so

if we if the other if the other these other these other

there it's it's toxic it's vines and there's there's nothing of there's nothing there's really of

constructive there's nothing there's productive that can get to do that the value just to pass to the regard

of the other you know there's going to restrain because what the other are you think you're going to

think you you're going to you're but I'm it's not a part it's not a port open or

but I'm You know, I said that. He'll do it to do it to make a practice. But when you

make on, let's on, when you're when you go to make your in the scene, is what you think that's

to say, hey, that's going to me to find to get into because I'm no. That's,

that you're but you think to public. Yes, is that is, is that will,

is that is, is a public? But I, think, I'm, so, I think,

I'm, I'm, I, I, I, I, I, I,

these films grand public also and the series and I'm you're part of you know you're doing

you're in a view especially in terms of what I know I'm saying it's not normal but I'm

but I'm there's there's things that I think there's things that I think fascinating

but you but you but you do the TV you? Yeah yeah

yeah yeah I yeah I'm yeah I'm yeah I'm I'm the series American

American Quebecoise Swedish Swedish I'm I'm just, I'm listening, I'm I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm,

um, I'm, um, I, um, um, when I'm, when I'm, because I think, to, well, is, well, is, is that, the story that I'm clear, is that, is, is, they're, they're accroached emotionally to, at this thing

for, is, is I, is that I'm for, is, is that I, is that, of comprehension necessary? Is that the music arrive at the moment?

Is that I think all the time to the public, and I think to the time to my

proper regard on my and I'm with who I'm going constantly, I'm

to the technicians, to artisans, to artists with who we, we're that's not you

don't know, is it is it is necessary to the plan that? I'm asking all the time

I'm trying to be turning to me to turn to We know what's we have to we're doing on the

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get in question on I I because it's because it's I'm sure of

my choice and by dutory I'm trying they're in question because it's just sin for me it's just the hygiene creative, it's

Yeah, and you're well, but if I'm if I said, no, it's perfect to touch at anything. It's perfect to make.

I'm not a virule, that's the text and then touch not my text and after that to touch not to touch not

to this plan that and by that after that's it's easy and he realized and he realizes and and he moved but even

in my head to me, I could develop a affection or a certain, a certain

or a certain or a certain thing that's a thing. But it's a way to be in the way, it's a real real

to do you, it's a lot of people who is going to talk about, but this dialogue that with me

same, you, it's important, but it's also easy, because for me all the story, it's the

story, it's the story, it's the reply, the if you want, if you're if you want,

if you've to create a scenario where we guard all the replic and all the didaskali

and who we're doing and we're going to change anything, and we're going to write in a

story. A scenario, it's in movement. A scenario that can be a film. And for to be a

film, you have to be able to make the choice ensemble artistically. But what

you can see that when I when I when I when I read when I when I

see what you I'm leaving something I'm going to I'm thinking or I'll think or I'll be

still, ideally, it was a problem, or you're not necessary to your own in fact that you're doing,

well, we're doing we're not obliged to apply, and you know, this replic that, it's been

too. It's all it's not, I'm sure, and it's not, and so, you'll see not,

it's not, but it's not, but that's this, this regard that over me same, this regard that

of the public, of what he can eventually think, we've been also to respect of an

intelligence of the public, That, this regard that I don't I'm need

for to advance I'm need to for to evolve more and I'm

and the regard or rather of the say of these other

we've talked that on the on the social or that it

on the critics more fielous or fielo or

with or biased, well, this regard is, is it really a regard or is it

it's more, you know, it's like it and it's we're in no part with that. Yeah,

exactly. We're going no part with that. So, we've got to get an energy

with that. No. But he'll be it to do it and it's in my

nature. And it's it depends at what to do you know, there's all of all

a matter you, you know, it's, you can You know, after that we're not

perfect and it's not it's not it's not if you get to make to make a get to

it's not that I'm saying it's not it's clear why you there you know there's there's

there's pazes on the pitton and I I've put the pain to choose

they make tell more they make tell more also to react to react to be able to be

that can that can't that can't that can't that can't longer, and at how point is it

can be solicit a reaction? It's what a reaction concrete where you will respond or you will,

it's that the little bit of recule. But it's normal also to react for it to be able to be able to

and it's just you're ready for the level young? Yes. So you do it I'll give,

she's a part of the past. Okay. You're going to be bracer I'm going to have to be

a question and I want to to put a question. You can choose zero and that's a question.

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I want to be well, I want to be. What type of amourue is you? What is the great defeat that you have to surmounted? Have you you've already

been an infant, it's a long that I have done to be

a question that. What's you have not received to the parents

and who you've been in that's that's perfect. Perfect. You

have a one. Is there one that's an one who can't tell?

I'm they're all all. I'm all. But where

you're I don't know. of the amourue and you. Okay. Um, I, I, it's good formulated

because I think I'm a amourer, but I think that I've never been a conjoin or a member

active of a dynamic of couple. I've had some really very short. Really very short.

Um, and, What I've known of the love is there's

dynamics in which I'm embarked in a relation and eventually

then there was a detentiation or a detachment of my part

and and it was it was terminated and what I've seen

of other it's these coup of fudre vulgurant devastate devastate

or I'm by an person um um of a obsessive

and quite destructed for me um and that it's reciproc prock

this propension that we've been in the in the last in the years I've said in the 10th

in my life we've often profited to my detriment I think

the people who who wanted to get there people who who

who they that I had a feble for them

and who who opportunities or who wanted to be in our light, you know, there are some people who are, there are and there, and,

I'm reconciled with this idea because I'm, I understand what, the opportunism, you know, um, I'm, in case, I'm, in case, what, the ambition? To want to be able to

to have to have afraid of nothing. It's just that I

don't just that I'm not, and I have, I've been

I've been back to that and for not never do that

so. Um um and then, and if ever I

did, and if I'm done, I'm I mean, I'm I've been to not

I'm in to be in it's still even more and I'm mean to have thought of

this way but I'm against the I said I've been back to my life

against the idea to use someone to who we don't nothing to obtain

something something that I'm I'm I could not be I'm

not to someone the idea that I love, that I can love,

to obtain something in return, to goot to his success, to be in his

light, to obtain his favor, to be viewed to her or to

him, I'm not capable to do that my entire is a rebell

against this situation that. And we don't do it

is unfortunately it's kind of something of quite as frequent

as a comportment. I'm I'm observe around to me I'm

my people and I'm the victims what is complicated also with these

situations is that there is that there all a very much

so it's not entirely false and artificial I'm not a

bit there's there all a part of there on on

on on on on on can on evoke to

who are that we can confirm that we have a potential amoreau but fundamentally you realize

that from there's never there's never had an intention at the person that it

has been the intention to to give that that that in fact

it it was it it's to the opportunity at

the sentiment amourous. And how we're going to get to that? Just a treisone?

Is that you see that like that? We're on every but it has used. That's

your part passionate that that right? Yeah. And we

know your passion? In fact, we let's live this passion. But it's puisant

because there's a amount of solitude in this passion and then generally, the other can't organize to us organize

to us for it and the the fire and without satisfied or by satisfaction

I want just just say for it or so, no satisfied it can be to be embracced and bring

and train yes it can be by the love but there there's something of incomplet

and we're in an attempt Is that you have the impression that's not not enough for having the other

completely with you? No, I don't, I think not I'm saying that I'm not enough.

I think that I don't know to me. I think that it depends of the other

and when you're inattante, you have an impression it's because you're not enough?

Is it you want to that you want to do you want to it's what you finished by

arrive, you know, uh, you know, when this sort of situation that intervene in

my life, when I when I see a person like that, I'm going to be quite cheer.

It's going to be too, it's going to be quite to, hey, I'm at

Paris in, in, in, on, on, on, on,

on, come, come, come, come, come, come, come,

come, come, we, we, we, , we, we,

we, we, I'm going to pay you a bill with my points AeroPlant and it costs share. It's a cost share these passions

and it it's quite humanely and what's what you do you do that that's

that you reproduce that? Just an intensity. I don't a mutuality I live an intensity

and what's what you do you have to live this intensity that? I think that it's

that me nouris because you're in this zone of intensity. Well, we're in

we're being when we're not confronted. But you decol a bit of the reality. Exactly. We're

well when we're not confronted to the reality. We're very well. We're good because

all you are possible. You do a film? Yeah. Fack there's like there's like

something in a notion of the cinema or the reality. When this reality that is

confronted to a decrochage or a deception there is a vertige

there's like a chute of eight etage in the trip in the estherment

we're there but it's also intense that you receive the good textot

at a moment and who retent again this vision that of

the reality that you that you want to that you want to that you want to

that you want you you're all and all all

all all and then and you know, you're you're there's a

meme that I like I'm very much on Instagram which is really nice but that's really

just it's just it's just it's like know you're me I have to keep my

distances you know I need my distance when I when I'm when I get a kick

to all that it's just it's just a date with someone who me play. And there's just a capture

of the cramp and it's just an image where it's written like this is like, yeah,

mm-hmm, mm-hmm, yeah, the marriage. You magazine to have your marriage, in Poscan

with a beautiful, an be a big vineyard, you know, per seamed of the

ibiscus or of renon-o- -o-gul-o- -we-old, yeah, she's a new papillon,

the so-Armani and with an encolure double and, And, yeah, we visualise these things like when we have a kick

and we're in but I think that all the thing, I don't I don't know that I'm not that's I don't know I'm not I'm

I'm just a symbol, it's just an analogy that's just an analogy that makes a because she capture well our demusure

our demesure. Our deemusure when we don't know, it's all it's when we don't know in love.

In love. And so you're tombed in love and and the descent so

how's how much? Honestly, to more and more fast, it's more

more, it's more, it's more, it's a pattern that you reproduce always?

It's a pattern that the people reproduce with me also. But you're

receptive in same time to say, but it's that you know, I mean,

you know, I mean, you know, You know, this sensation that of passion. I love. It's just that

the difference between me. And someone who comes in a schema like this, it's that

we're going to present. Because you have offered. Because you have been to offer. For

someone, like you say, who is opportunist, who want to that's

that. And even if I know, I'm from the moment where I can't

completely like a and that I'm not let's enter that, but I get miffient

and if I become miffiant then I'm I'm alone because it's everywhere around me

and it's a thing to it's a but for it's to try it's it's something

that's something that's something that I'm it's there in my life and Now, the

sole thing that I can't because I can not me cut out of and say, this person

there, maybe me've seen something, maybe me view, I can not, I can't

be all the time on my guard like that because I live because because I

I, I, I, I, I, I, I, a life,

at my life. Yeah, and there a year, it's not, it's but I,

I think I'm not that it functioned the same if it functioned. It would

It would It's not like that's a kind of situation but you're someone

to be a person who is there is a necessary to always to feel the passion

or you don't. And when I've seen the type of amourue is you

I've had been to be I think I'm I think but no

no no type of I'm I'm not I'm not the I'm

I'm never not the morning I'm that would be You know, you think

at your marriage? No, no, no, it's an It's an, it's an Okay, I'm sorry, but you But, you know, but you're But, yeah, it's just for to make a rarer Okay, but I was

I'd imagine, I'd I'd have seen it in the arch I'd know, I'd say, probably, yeah, in Armani, but maybe not with an ankle in, in any case, it was just a way,

it was just a turner, but I'm trying to I'm not, I'm not sure that actively I'm not in some situations where I can come in a panel

after that it's it's present what I can do what I can do differently that I'm utiled for to do differently

is to pose my limits and when I feel that I'm in a piege confronted the other and I'd say

I'm I've made feel that this, so, so, so, because at from the moment

or I've lost or that I don't have been or that I see that I'm in a place where the sole

way to find a dignity and a form of control on the situation because I can not control the sentiments

of the other the only the only thing that I can control is my dignity and to obtain to get

to get some and to be to be able to share to people why you do you do you realize

that this chemo that is nefarst for me and that it's malveillance and there

a grand appeasement there to have face. Yes, to make face.

Yeah, because and then it's always to make a conversation interesting, because generally

the people don't know they're not and they they're going and they they're often okay

excuse me and then then we then we're and they're and then sometimes yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're all they're all they're all

also they don't but in fact I'm in my I'm not I'm like

okay so finally it's like finally it's a bit of a bit of finally after then the

things they're just and it becomes they're more more I've

evacue not no more I'm I've evacue not these dynamics

of my entire I'm not punitive but I but I need to find

fast for power continue and I need to say it that it's

It does It's not that to someone of other. It's the sole power that

I can find that I know that I think it's that I'm not the need to be the need to

me vange but I have the need the I'm the need to say and name

yeah noming name it's the same power also than I choose

to choose the regard of the other choose these others choose name

and it's these things that can can that we can

can that we have tend to acquire very tard in the life and who are entered in the mine recently

named named um um um distinguished um um

um um um um choose and it's these words

incredibly simple and of a complexity tontacular. Yeah, but sometimes it's the time,

it's the experience. It's not like that. It's worth to make it to make of the film for seven for a number

for having to know the things. But because you have to live, when you do, work, in plus,

clearly, all these films that they have in me in my so long time, you know, it's not

a hazard that John F Donovan had been a film on the show business, on the

rapport to the industry after 2009 2017. After eight years, to make

part of an industry, to make part of the circuit of festival, to say, that's what I

had to say, it's that. After that, I've got to, I have been to think,

I've been my life, to voyager, to and to to me have crissed there.

I have to get to lose something, to have a project of film

that's to fend to take to my mental to take

to find of me for after that to be to come and not

not to what I'm what I have done in the seven years years, but I've

had some ideas issued of these moments of solitude, of some people who's, you know, someone who is a little

and who's not, can't make a film, I'm not sure I'm going to at Cannes, at an hotel and I,

I've played a coffee and I've made an interview, you know, but you're an capture of emotion.

You're an observator of human, it's so. Yeah, but there's not a humanity in

the middle. But it's for that that you're out that's it's

it's good to go to go to go to see it's

it's it's during my phase of doubt and when the sort of

it could be able that it might or that I have always

there there's I don't I'm I'm I've made a cland

like so I'm interesting I I'm I'm I'm

and it's the public the people. The people, Mr. Madam, the young, the more the people,

the people, I'm not adventured in the Mayond of Reddit because you know what I'm thinking but on the radio

on my defended we're saying well, we've never said that frankly manana

it's the isolation the solitude I've He resented more

of the part of certain people and in certain the part of certain organs

artistic certain. A certain? An organ an organ I'm not. An organ an organ

an organism in a question? Yeah, that's sure. A organ A good an

big organism. In any case, I've all the time I've got the the,

it's, it's, it's, but certainly what you've done, you do it

does it, and the public tolerant. So, at after that, it's the end of the story. Exactly. Exactly. It's so.

You know, the rest, it's a part of the history, but it's not what you're in retening.

I'm sorry, I'm going to to ask, and it's a question, and at the end of the conference, we've posed

questions, but not on the conference, we've asked, like, many times, me have you have you

to receive, who would be to receive? And then, then I'm still that I'm never, I'm not,

I'm not. I'm saying, I'm doing You could have... Well, yeah, I'd say, but, you know, they're going to think,

Rihanna, they've been... A great point of a point of... Yeah, they're going to think Bob Ross Trison, I don't know,

too, and I'm not... But I'm not the... But I'm not... With my oputation. I'm... Yeah, I'm... Oh, yeah, you have never

said, no. And then, and then, she said, okay, but, that's what, the question you'd ask, the question that you'd

ask, is, is, is, is, is, is he had already been an infant. And, and there, everyone is

become emotive with the question but it's what I'm coming and I'm just just let in context by example because I'm

in context at that also when I was when I was when I saw the first I'm my mother

and that I had when you had when you've thought to think to this idea that when you're saying

but who is that it's that's been interesting for me at after this moment after the

first vision of I'm I'm know that guy that's who? No, but it's who

this vyehame, that's, of who he arrives, of where he comes, of who he comes, I'm not, I'm not in the

life, but I'm saying, I'm saying, it's not a previous life, you know, I think, that's, you know,

there's a force in the content, in the language, in the regard, that I've felt all the

film that, but I said, I said, I, I said, I, I said, I, I said, I said, but at what I'm

at what you can be a child, and to create that, also young. The best question. Well, repose the

month, so. Have you already been a infant? Not long. Not long. It's between the

age of 1 and 4, 5 and after it's a a mix of all sorts of

epoch, of all sorts of a way of the different of the environment.

But I think we're out of the territory of the infance.

By there I understand the infance what it would be an

environment protected, a environment a environment a environment

a um um of the I think to the

comprehension um let's say that very young I'm to make

the pubs of John Coutu and to a part of the middle all of that and it has created

a rupture with the reality. For the first, I was at first, I had a

trouble of the attention hyperactive but who had not diagnostique at the

point had been been repertoried of many in these ways

in in the bulletin and in the rapport of of

comportment as being a problem or as a but that it has not

been explored or or treated obviously by the a part

to today what we know that was extremely lacuner and the solutions

were very few there were one there was a Ritalin and the children

had been boosted on his and they were the It was the same, so I understand.

But at after the moment where the publicities have and where I

discovered this universe that adult, turbulent, rapid, always in movement,

in this dynamic of creation, the cameras, the technicians, the all

that obviously entremailed with the discovery of my sexuality

of my identity, um, to be gallvoded like that between the show business,

you and then to confront that to the reality a student of the primary,

you know, I see that I had been an An infant really penible

for the other. I'm batte enormously I'm I'm I'm

I'm a lot of place my my my had indicated

to never never never, never, never, never, never ever ever

to say. It was sacros saint, it had absolutely never to be

to be a possible a a tell prescription to a

child, but I can say, I don't, you know, and you don't know

what you have to do you do that's the contrary. Exactly. So, it's correct,

you, it's, it's, it's, obviously, the idea to not to put

to be to ayes, for not because we have, don't that, the

the world who's people, so, but, I'm long time, you,

I'm persuaded to not never on we're talking. The parents

see, the students, they're coming me and I'm talking about, but

you know, it's what it has created like a dynamic as tordu,

and like, is that you have separated of the other? You have a status

different? I think, I think, I think, I think, I had a rapport very strange

to the authority, I was the, the, the, the, the,

the, the, the, the, the, the, young, I was violent

verbally and physically and physically and you know, and were you were you

did you in your house also? Well, yeah, yeah, I was

an child I was an child choleric I'm a child I'm

still still still again I um yeah yeah

I was I was I'm after after after after

if the instincts that were in society also, which were strange, a droll

of rapport, of dynamic that I had observed, or so on the plateaus of or so,

I don't, or in my life, but that I repercuted like that, you know, that's,

you know, that would be very, particularly and that was not typical, I'd say,

of an infant. But you were, where? I was , at that moment

that you had an place where you were in place or you were not confronted

to the world on the world on the time, but even on the

plateau you know I was I was I was very agitated and

we know we in an time today where we're in in an

in an in an in We're trying to let's, we're we're talking, we know, you know, you know,

like we said a lot of the things, we go on the of the, there's, we're in

a communication non-violent, you know, the cries of the words that when I was when I was

when I was , you know, that's out of, you know, to find your and say, and, hey,

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I,

I'm, I'm, I, you go, you're, I, you know, you,

consequences. They were not in mode solution. All these things were

confronted to do a method very punitive and that they would be in sort of

it was but I remember an episode really really mark and

and that that had had been a point to back

in fact in in it it I think that I'm not a child, but it's where I'm that I've become an adolescent or an adult,

but it was extremely young, it was at 10 or 11 years. I had made the tournage of The Fortress Suspandu, the Productions, the Fete. And I had a... I had a... I've been in 6th year. And then, so I was in 6th year. And there was a professor

Laic, it was a school religious, religious, but she was a professor laic who's called Karen or Karen.

Karen, I think, Madame Karen. And she had made on the council of class

where we were, we were, we're being, you know, so,

so, so, we'd on a bit of papers, the things that we,

that we liked or some that we knew more and that we wanted which we

wanted to eventually they're going to the idea in so it's so can

so put. So, she would listen all this before the class the

Wednesday before it was it was the one before we repart

from from the pensioner to the parted on a reflection you parted

like on you So, you're in pensioning at from the age of of seven a year? From a

from a from a from a 13 yeah. Okay. 14. Um, um,

so, so, um, so, um, no, two, eight,

the eight to 14, in all, um, um, so, um, we,

we, she, they, they, they'd, they had been submitted by other students,

written by those students and students and she said so she's so she's so she's so she name the person

that she had written the word it's not anonym and she said well so Stephanie

he said so it's her name she's a young elive she said that my

today today I would today I would be me I'm I'm never the

hand for talking he never the permission for to go to the person

he's constantly he's constantly of these pubs, the treatment of favor, blah, blah, gna, all that,

you know, it was quite dense as critic. And I just my heart, it was back very, very very fast.

And so, the idea, the choice of this enseignant there, suite to the lecture of

the word that, it was to proceed to a vote. At hand-leave, yeah?

Yeah. so he was and that he didn't and that he wasn't and well I I was sat

in the middle of the class and so all the hands had up before me and I

had been turned and all the hands had been behind me including that my

my my my friends and and and at

at this moment I I'm I'm being said I'm

I'm too-selled. If I'm not not done of all that, I'm I'm too-selle. I'm my proper.

I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I can depend of person

to me to make, how live, how, how to be, how to be, how to be with the other,

I'm, I'm just alone. And it's that I resasize and that I

repressen in mind because if I don't not, people, person will

do it for me. And that's not made immediately because

I had 11 years. But it's that the reflection. Is

that's that that's that's to come to write? No, I'm

I'm writing I'm I'm I'm, I think it some poems,

I wrote, I'm show on the people who had the

super power and a little inspired to no, I

know, I'm so you had that that you had that in your

solitude you had a world. You have never past time

to say, oh, my God, I'm not quite my God, I'm different it's not different. It's like that,

it's like, I'm saying, but I'm not quite that. I wanted to play with the other children, I

wanted to play to play a role, I want to have seen to be Neo in the matrix, I want to

be a Harry Potter. I, I wanted, I'd be good in sport, and I'm

I'm going to be able to play to football in 5th year and he had fact, I wanted

that, you know, I wanted to play at the cachette in the casiers with Guirin. I, I, I, I wanted to be normal, you know. But I'm not content. I'm not content to be, you

know, if you had not done, if you'd have not done that, if it had been changed, to what, it's sure, but because it's, it's, like, create a bit, also. It's, it has differentiated an biolp for the For the other

Not for you But in the sense Something that I can't Controlled They've been They're put Like in a car apart

Because it's It's impression Also To do the Yeah, Sure But, you know A man

And not Someone of Mour who will have a Comportable Face of that That is necessarily

Of good When you When we When we do Do you When he It's entire He knows

It's intimite He can Use a Mobes Ecian. an an an

it's it's mechant 11 year after this episode that

I've been in your class what's what's what I'm I'm

never I'm never that but after that if you I'm I'm back

at the school second and at the private at Longueye and

after a month there had a there was in my notes

and again another again again I derangee my comrades in class

and I know and I'm and so it's good in a way, so I'm

going to I'm returned to the pensioner in the can't in the contons of

the East and and then and then and then I've been I've been I've been

confronted and I had not known that at the school at the school

I'm confronted to a very very great great violence verbal and physical of the gennes

of the one over the other and it's it's been the law of the jungle, it's it's been

it, it had to survive so that for survive it was to say that someone other other

were fiff. And and at each A week, Not a year, but perhaps a year on two, a day

on two, a day on three. I think to the young who had been victims of these of these

rairies there, and we were all, we were all, we'd all bullied,

but I'd I'd I'd say not that I'm that I'm that I'm

I've been I'm I'm I'm sure I'm you know by the side

in fact I think I think that this aspect that superperformerformant

in my head that uh who had of this And by activity,

that, I made even on far more than the client and

it's, and it's after that I'm going to get to this school that because I

wanted to come to the house absolutely because I knew not in

this in this mechance that. And also, I said I was able to I was gay

and I suffered and I, I, I extiriorized that on other

and And then after I'm back at the house and then

in second three I'm I'm going to live at my aunt

my cousins and my cousins and my and and

after to there I had had a dynamic

residential familial familial family normal. There were some there were there were, there were, there were,

there were moments of rier, of complicity, these repas, and there wereutines the morning, with the TV who'd play, and the newvel, hello, and

then, and the greepin, and the toaster, and then, and then, and then, after to that, it was correct.

I've made my coming out in secondar, three. I've confronted these guys who were homophob, and that was in the way

in the communication non-violent, finally, the part of the truth was like, it's like, it's like a kind of

a good pubs on intimidation and the, and the, he's finished being the broad-to-brot-to,

but it's like just in saying, I don't know I'm not, we're a man, And then, all of a coup, it's like, okay, yeah, okay. But, finally, the week of the other, we're having, and in secondar, four, five,

you know, I, I had these amy, and, and, it, and, it, it, it, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's all the time, where there's a humor noir, and where we're smock, you, see, the one of these other, a little, but it's been in this violence, and in this, there had a notion, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, of humanity that had been

in the world I think also that's we're we're going to

gettes to to say and to be in and to be and when

we have a secret we we deploid much of

and of animosity on the other and when we

we're liber, when we we're when we get to that, we have

all of a coup more more than for our humanity and for the other.

And I'm I'd say that I'm had been in second

three. But you know, between the council of class of

Madame Karen and all the hands level that it said that it

didn't work my affair that I was not that I was not a good person that I'm not

that I'm that I'm until there it's been a a spiral and have you already been

a child yes is that these spirals there and these pensionat and these all the

return between the industry and to have been abandoned like that

by the way. It's like that I've been like I've been a pain of a more, you know,

there's no person who there's a in a pensioner at San Dona and he's a car and a bus

and he's not disponeable and that to lose to lose the METier like that was the

only where I felt like I could fulgure even if we're reprocheed even if

Andre Melanson we said at every day to turnage at each day of after the

publicities I'm had to be to be to ask if it was my comportment, and he

would be all the whole time the same the same there's there's a place to

amelioration. But in this milieu that when you had your scenes, you were

totally the light also. You have your place. Yeah, I

had my place. I don't if I wanted all the attention and all

the light, but I had your place. But I was that

Especially that I had my place. It's well, it's been, it's been said. Ayer, it was hard to be able to this place, that. Yeah, that's

it's so. I've moved, I'm an impression that you've been, I've heard I've heard a lot, and I've been a lot of

movement in this period there, and you've never talked to your father and your their mother. They are where?

Um, they are there? They are, uh, they're at, you can, In your life, they take a place?

Today or at at the time? It's difficult. It's difficult. It's often, like, it's often there. But you're not obliged to respond, you know, I'm going to answer.

No, I'm not to say, um, um, I think that the work that I've tried to after the

last year, in the idea to nomy, and to choose these combats, to choose what we can, to identify

what we can control, what we can't control, um, there's a thing that has been constant in

my life, and that I've all the time to cultivate, and that it been really useful for to learn to

me pardon to me, over me also, my tor or to

to ask to and to and who has always been at the

core of of my of an crature and it's it's

um um um um we're you know, we're person for

writing the characters, we're going to just have the empathy for a person and not have for an other

it's going to defend all the world, we have to we're going to go to front for each of each other

of the characters and then and then it's there also for the person

in the life because we don't not in a film We live the where

each one of our has an impact and each one of our gestures has a posterity and

I have a I have a default and I have a acune

but I have a empathy and I have an empathy and this empathy there me

made decide to not to not to not to not to do not

deruley on what is the parentality and on what is my rapport

to my parents at this time because I think that the

Joker is eloquent, but because I'm going to do that when the moment will be chosen a day, you know, I'm going to I've already made in public in a film and in certain other after, if we're in a certain manner, so I think that's sufficient. Very well, responded.

It's your story. It's your story, it that's it's partying. It's my story,

but it's the history of my parents also. Yeah, yeah, there's someone,

you know, we talked to trauma. Longtime I've thought, you know, that a

trauma, it was something in urgentology, in in a urgentology, in a, in,

because, again once, it's very recent in our vocabulary, to be in a manner of the

banalized, to the democratize, you know, a tromotize you're not just, you know, a trauma

physical, you know, I've been traumatized by this, and it's very grave when we say trauma,

and there trauma, and there's a trauma, and there, there's a there a lot of things, you know,

that because I could be them noming, and because I could be and to understand because I think I had

an empathy and I said no, but in the same there's a and it's a and it's a and it's

it's been difficult and that person has used a little difficulty but it's

not because we understand a traumatism that we have taken in the justifying

by the trauma of the other person or the proper difficulties of another person that

we can we it's there he has he was he he has

gyr it's two things different for garrere it's going to name so I'm going to get

by step yeah and get in a truement sometimes we're we're getting but they

rest when we're it's and it there's there there there

there there that come in the in the in the life adult

chattuier those of the infance yeah but the infancy

it's it's it's can even the piled of

who we are. It's a pillar important of who we're always.

So, I'm don't I'm not if I've been an

child, but I know that if I had not had not the infance

and the adolescence that I had, I probably not, not,

not made of film or not that, of this manner

that. I'd maybe even if certain of these traits that are inerrant

or that I'd have been not had had these audace that. It's for

that I never had never undertened of regret or of an amertum

in the infance that I have used but I think I

think I think I've passed much of time to exploit this

infance and the trauma that they have alloned all the

events or the the divorce the demenagement the the

pension the the si the tournage the the pen

of the love the I'm having I have

I had many to to Tire of these things, their juice, and their essence, and their sep, for power to make these films.

And not for to be able to understand, you know, they've been, they're in my... They've been... These traumas, abimed. So,

so that I've made in the last years. Nive-Rooge. Callis. You're not... We're not, one answer.

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What is your most great source of insecurity? What dewe the most difficult to live? Is it? Are they're correct? What do you?

But is it? But if you'd have to have, if you'd have to be... Oh, yes. We'll check it. Ah, yeah. What are you? What is your rapport with the

Marr? I'm going to let it. Bye. Super. You see what? In fact, I'm going to take this one. And I don't know

the... You can't let's... You can choose one. No, I don't choose. No, I don't choose. not a single question on the level I'm going to

I'm good I'm prepared I'm very prepared I've done to work I'm going to I'm trying that you're

talking about yeah, let's see. I've always, I'm, I've always the impression from the beginning

of the beginning of my career that I've been that I'm that I'm that I'm that I'm not

enough time to say all the I have to do do what I want to do what I'm

to talk to say to what I want to I'm always the impression that there a course

against the monster or a course against the death and in plus it's

kind of by the world in the world in the world in the world in course he also

against the planet against the wars against the mountain of

the extreme right, against the fissure social, the brash social, this division

that that makes that augmenting and to be able to the detestate the votour

of the platforms that who want to nourire this beast that of

an and who profite eventually financially financially and of all sorts of

of manner of this anger and of this gulfre that, you know, so

we're in a course at two vices, the mien against my death and the

mine and the murder of the society and I see, this phrase that will

be hurt to the skepticism of people who, oh, it's correct if it's

it's quite, if it's well when he You know, I'm sure that I have an approach a much more fatalist by a part

to the ecology and at our consumption. But is that you're afraid to your own? I don't know. I don't know.

I think a lot of a moment and then and, and I'm, I'm more in a,

I'm in a, I'm in a, I'm in a, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in, I'm in a positive presentment. I'm in a angle, if you want,

of appreciation, of gratitude. Not in a, it's perhaps a bit of an Anglicism. I'm talking to negative bias. I want to, I'm not me concentrate on what I'm not. I'm concerned with what I'm, on what I can create also.

I've always been a creator, well, I want to create the things, of these opportunities for me, for my own, for my friends. So I don't

at the death. I think that I'm more fear of the malady that's the manned

to be in the more. Nive Rose, Eros and this company. That's these questions

of Q Jean. Well, you'll see four, you'll be four, you'll be

there's four, don't me in three. There's a time, sometimes I'm more, it depends.

So, then you prefer to seduire or to be to do you? It's kind of do.

Seduire. What do do you do you have you to the first time? What have

you had you to know about the sexuality, at 20 years? At 20 years,

I'd like that that we'd like that of consentment, of intimacy, of psychology,

it's at the way sexual and psychologics, I think that I would, I would,

I think that even if it's not that we think, and that you, and that's

and who sensibilize the young enormously to, you, or at the notions of hypersensibility

or simply of sensibility, of desensions, of humanity, of respect, d'ekoot, of mutuality. I think

we're, we're victim a bit of an time that he's made in a manner really fracaccent at

through the media and at the scandal and that it has antagonized a part of the

message, you, to detriments the gesture. Yeah. So, So I think that many of

young, uh, many of people, so, so, rebele and so

indign, if you want, to do this sensibilization to, and we, we can't

rapidly in the, we can't do anything, we can't do anything, we can't try to

understand the, the two things, you know, never I, you know, never I cautioned,

you, some, you, the comportment , you, or violent, or,

uh, but, but, But I'm, I'd I'd say that I question the manner to sensibilize the people,

again a time, you know, at around the interdiction, the condonation, the, the, the, the,

the, the space of the espage sensationalist of the press, you know, I'm on retient,

and at a point, there's a retention, and not an antagonization, like I said, you,

these messages, to, you, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd would have,

in 20 times, what, to say, 20-time? Well, it would change my way

to be with people. My fashion to, you know, there's

a spontaneity that is agreeable in love. After that, what's what is difficult,

it depends all the time of the judgment, you know, there there are who don't

who have there who are there who there's, how we determine that there's there's not,

he has a good person, he's able to, oh, no, but it's

very that the notion to to take a risk in embracing someone,

you know, there's all the time a context obviously, you can be macabre or toxic

or we can say, there's a evidence, it's not, you know, but when it's a

minute, then it's that's the first, there's, there's a exitation there in

there's part of the history that I've used with the love, and with the seducion.

But there there are other aspects, other notions flue, inaborded, never where I would

that we partage that an adult that I'm partage certain notions but I think at this age I think when I had

20 years they had probably not, at the place of a course of biology I think we've had been used

some of education sexual but it's I think just naisy and make some it's just

it's more the apparel I was saying it was not We're not in the intimity of the courts. It's so, it's a judeau-christian

makes it in a sort of an adult would not be able to say, we're not a lot of, and we're not we're not and we're not

and we're not. Oh, no. But it would be there that we have had that we have a conversation because

I think that I would have gained a lot of to not be hurted and that I would have

economized to certain other to not to not in in, you know, certain evidences

when you have never Vecue, you can not say, ah, yeah, okay,

that's, it's not, you know, obviously, it's what, you know, it's not I don't want

that the people, and it's, it's, it's, it's, it, a banalization,

you, the comportment problematic. I'm just of this zone grise, where there

a spontaneity or a permissivity, that relive not of evidence and to read the room where you'd say,

oh, you know, I've often done that's when I was when I was I just like I'm thinking that's a problem but it's

that's a because I've I said a super vulgar an example we're going to we'll let's and you

and you prefer seduir the first thing you're you're you're saying you're you're

you do it? Yeah. You do it do you? Yeah. Yeah. What's the What's what

that's to bring the seduction? Why do you know to be in this zone that?

Well, it's, it's the fun to have this validation that. You know, I'm not

for seduier. No, that I'm but when it's a present, you're not a person

and you're a person who's a chance or a validation pleasant. But, you know, I'm not

for, I'm, if I'm, I don't say, you're not a seducter, but I'm not

a gas Qito, I'm not a gas suit, I like to be seduced. Yeah, but there are who are not

that, who are not that, who are not to be, who are not, they're not, they're not some,

you know, like the, it's like, it's, like, it's, like, it's, it's,

it's, it's, you, I, I, I, I, you, I can be also

ultra-intimid and, and, you, see, try, to, find my place in public,

in a, in a, you know, and you're, you know, you, you know, you,

a soup with eight people, I'm going to say, oh, my God, that you

know, that you know, I'm going to have a fear, I'm going to be to get in a bit

I'm at 250. Mew. Well, we're not 250 to be two hundred to be

to be able to have been to have been too of attention to what? Yeah, or then

of being to be to be to be to be too, to, you know, it's complicated

the intimacyity social, you, it's, it's, it's, the bull, the socialization,

You know, I, I, I, I, I think. But you seduiquant, admiton, someone to play? Well, when I find someone of beautiful, charming, or intelligent, and he's sexy, and I feel like to, I'll go with.

I like, I guess. I'm trying. It's what I said. I'm saying, I'm not, when I'm not. No, no. That, you know, the bizoonage, and the minodage,

that's, it's very fatigant. You're more, you're direct, right, right. There, you have to, that, all right. you know, if it's it's not

it's not it's not it's so giddoo nage Pover is on your with you I'm going to

yeah you're not that you're not saying so you're so the question optorizzo, the

what's there is on your bucket list a question a question very simple the last um to work with Kate Winslet,

to work with Merle Streep, to go to Japan. Is that you've already approached these two actresses? Mm-hmm. Is that you've got already and seen? Mm-hmm.

And what the next? I don't know. So, there's discussions open, not presentment with, you know, I've seen, you know, there's a history and a passive

with one of the two but, but I'd like that in, I'm there, but it's something that I would rather to be able to

work, I think Kate Winslet is, it's really an actress who has an avant and an after

in his career, it's really an actress that I've been a artist, I'm like, there's a

maestria in his work who has really frapped on a moment I said okay

she's she's rendered completely a year she she's Marrivy

Stown there's a series it's on Crave it's it's a it's a

masterclass of a for an actor it's like okay okay okay

yeah so you know for a realzate for a realisator also to

do it yeah yeah but what I mean but what I but what I mean but what I

is that the style, the elegance, the retinue, the incarnation, it's made realize the, uh, the droature of the

the joy, the droature of her. You know, it's not, she, she, she, she, she has a moment,

in Maryby's tonne, at a, at a, a, a, a person, a person, I'm not,

to, the, well, the suicide, of his fist, you, you know, This scene,

that's the moment you read that and as a as a actor you say, you say, I'm going to see,

it's your scene, but his detachment and it's a retinue and she was like

she was to not to not have the gratification of this moment that,

to not do bring to not finish, to braier, to braier, to pise on the piton,

to braille, to have the moying, and we're on the we're trying in the we're trying no, no, no.

And it's it's hard even to play the because it becomes something that's just to be able to

not to join the retinue that's that's just that's just I'm a lot of admiration for her

and Merrill Street well it's Merrill Street that's it's it's very and there

and there's not even not even you're not so it's it's realisable but I'm to go to

I mean, it's it's a little bucket list. And it's the fun I'm, you'd have you know,

something something more accessible like to go out of Marlowe what I'm what I'm what I exist

not, so it's not it would do you do do you play in the traitors because it's

turned there but it's that you know, you know, what I know of what you know, to do you,

it's that you've already made these path to it. It's not lanced in the

universe and a I'm always, I like this side that of you or you don't know

the things in the universe. You're face to things. Yes, but I let's also

I like, I appreciate a point the universe presently now that now that I've

started, I've started to take to bring to me and to

create to to go to to go to go to

certain problems for to make face, I am the way the universe me

re-in-voy certain things, and the places, they position, like, of a

way magic and mystic, I appreciate the synchronicity between the gratitude

that I feel, and the efforts that I do for working for me,

and the passion that I I feel in my work and the passion

that I put in the application of my routine just I appreciate the

synchronicity between these things and the and the way to the universe

to me to me respond and I think in the universe but I

think not that we don't and that we can that the time and that the train

pass I think that we can we can We're doing, and that

if it does arrive, and it's that we can sometimes tordre the bra a bit of the

destiny, if we're even more far, but it happens. But I believe at

alignment of the stars, and at the universe, and especially at the

universe that we who respond. It's a response. It's not a

event it's an arrive not it can it's

it there's a communication with with the life

and and it is incarnate in a citation

this notion that that I like I'm very

much of Mark Twain um who on has some

some of some of some I like I It applies to

a way to live and a kind of of a kind of mantra in general than to have a little

things that I'm going to start all right and I'm not a little the secret in getting

ahead is getting started. I don't the word for the way to the way

also punche but in gross if you want to do succeed if you

want to arrive in head. Do you do you do you know to work you know

it's not very elegant like that's but what's what you want to say it's it's so it's so

it's going to start yeah it's not it's generally generally it's you know

it's it's a but at mann't generally generally somewhere and at

a minute it's it's here and I'm I'm I'm imporative

commence and the moment present. Well, we have all done. We've got all done. Is it all right? Is it all right? Yes, I've got played the game, if you were to play with with you.

But, yeah, I've got to be able to get arrested here today. Thank you, it's a grandly appreciate. Really, you know, a magnificent moment. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, to everyone, to have been on the next podcast. This episode was presented by Karin-Jonka, the reference in matter of

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