Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette - #131 - Hélène Bourgeois-Leclerc | Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

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before, we've had had been a lot role markant, but his role of

Dolores in the Bougon, I honestly it's there that I've discovered the talent of this woman I'm talking

of Elaine Borgiole-le-le-Clair and from this day I'm she has done. She's actress she, she's animatrice also so I think

it really interesting to have, I'd have to hear of this belle, Ellen Bourgeois-le-Clair at their place to Ellen.

I mean, I had used these false couch, like she said, the most advanced, it was at

four months and, And, you know, it's not, it's not 29 weeks, no, no, but it's not, but I'd say but I'd even not, you'd

say, you'd say, you'd say, it's important. It's, it's, it's, it's all the time I'd like, I'd be correct.

Not just, at the beginning, it's physical. Huh? I'd have to have something, he'd have to be

something, my chum and me, you know, there's something that's not, I'd say, physically, it's not,

I'm gonna, I'm sent, but he I'd rest not. So, like, it's been there's been there,

is my my chum and I'm in the phone, we're not not a sign of the life that we

would have not have done in the thing of the life, you know, I'm, I'm done

in the sign of the life, that that I'm not made that I'm that's not a good

mother, that I'm, who's been to find, a refuge in my vent, she has not

a lot, she has found, she was, you're trying, a sense. I'm trying a sense.

a response, I thought that it was not, I've got I've been quite I've got quite so it's hard for the core. It's hard for the body, but there's

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the game, I'll tell to do it I'm saying, I'm presented like Doloresce. How many it's astonishing?

How many it's astonishing? I'm so original, but we're so much content to the time because, one, I, I,

I think it's pittient, all the time, but a very good actress, I think it's a magnificent person.

I, all the time I've received in my emotions, tranche, authentic, here's what I

and that I love, this authenticity, so I'm Elin Bourgeois Leclair, welcome. Thank you.

I. I'm presented in as well as well as I said in intro, it's when I've seen when I'm known in the role

of Doloresse it's like if I've seen the empleure of your talent actress, at which point you were able

to let's get to let's get in a role and after when we'd say okay there's a great

decalage in the I'm not but it but it but it didn't know it's a

talent that and the pleasure thank thank you the bougons has been I'd say, an element

pivot in my career, but not just because it's a conned, the success that it's a conu, because it's made a liberty

extraordinary. And that, I've said, already in interview, but, me, the bougon,

it's made to, to have to have to to be to my face, my face, my car,

to what I have Lair, to, to be able to be able to resemble to something that they pass

at TV. And I was in debut of career, but it has made a liberty, of grotesque,

of vulgarity, but of verity also, that I don't know if I had been able to attend if I had not used to the role that. I'll have already

to tell you, I'm going to be going to be able to, first, when I auditioned for the bougon, it's been it's written, you,

we're seeing the descriptive of the person, and the scenes that we're getting to to play in audition, and

it was written and then I'm saying, well, I'm don't, I can't, I can't I can't

go to do in auditions, the air pokey, we're always in audition the more cute possible, being machi, bien-abied,

to our advantage, to be just, pettient and and luminous all the time. I'm, you know, there's not

in this energy, there. We've got to get it. So, you know, I've had creused the cairns,

I mean, I had, I had, like, defate my machiage, and I'm coming to crotch at the audition.

And finally, I've had, you, in two, three, suite, of the audition, I've finished by having

the role, And when I've got used the role, and that we've had the rendezvous to the costume to tryteress that the creatriss of a costume Monique Ferland

had pre-vue, I'd rather in the costumes, and she'd be not gross, but I'd rather not, it'd be in,

it's just, well, it's, it's not, it's not, but, my point of view of the person, is that she

is that's actually sexy when she'd be abbeyed serry. She, she, she, she, she, she, she, it's

beau. So I'm out of trying to by the baby doll, the jeans

too tight with the burlets, the brusier with the burlette with the boardet

to see, by the we're saying, okay, we have started in three weeks, I'm saying

I'm saying I'm three seven for 15 leave or to assume what you

have to assume and you know, I know how I'm saying she had wrapped in a bit of

a bit of a bit of a bit of so. So, I decided just to to play the

game, and it's been the key for the liberty of the work of my life.

Never of my life, I'm going to be much this production that, just to have permitted

this liberty that. So, so, to play with the vatement that you

have not the impression that made your power in if I understand what you

didn't say, because you sent it that it would get to get to it,

it, it's, it's, it's, You see, you know, already your costume announce the

suite of things. It's not not Elene Bourgeois LeCler that we'll see. No.

No. And it's permate, for real, it's, we don't not quite of the costumes

and the look in TV for the characters, but it can make a posture, a demarch,

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, that you know, endosce,

as an actor or actress. And that, I, I think, when we, When we do a person, everyone

to do you know, we feel like we feel like we're doing, if we're doing it's not with us that we've been to it, it's the chefees, it's the makeup, it's the costumes, it's the miz-enance

it, it's the writing, obviously, it's the text, but it's all the elements that's add to make a sum that becomes Doloressbougon.

We, and we have the impressional that's a very family. It's functionalal but a family that's important. A family

very functionalal pretty. Very functional. Very functional. A family uni, a family dysfunctional

in the society in the regard of the other but not not true you're right not

not true no no no you're you're really you're

you defend your family solid just to the I'm I'm

I'm I'm I'm it's my family one of my family

at the screen at the the most important think

that that could come in two five the

boug um no no no It would be censuried. And boy, yes, but, you know,

there's some, there are some, there's things that, we're in trying to be in trying to be in a other, the balancier and he's very

so, like, you know, there's a gross right that's that's impose, which is, contrabalance at the gross

gauch that's imposed, and then we're in a balant of what he's can, what he's what's did, what's what's

what's did not, what's what's don't think not, and I think I think the bougon is coming of the bougon it's been 20

20 years 20, 3 years? Oh, at least. But, you know, we're revenue

10 years with a film, we're coming a few years with a sketch for the bye-bye. You know, it's all...

It's in an imaginerer Quebecoa. Yeah. The first sign of the bougon the name of Mario is there. It's Antoine

Bertrand with his uncle, you know, in the elevator, they've got, and they're going to have one, and they said, oh, you're wearing, like, Mario, Dumont, you're going to come here here? Because you've made a little costume, and he had to golly in a bureau? And it's, and it's going to, oh, my God, okay, you know, to, you know, to say, to what? We're just, you know,

we're doing, exactly. But, but, yeah, it's, it's a mark, it's, it's, and, you know, and you, and it's a part, you, it's, oh, I'm I'm so really I'm so much I'm sure so much

before you know how you know how you do you know you're in form I'm very I'm very well good moment of

life, belle pass of life equilibrary it's very so you're ready to open your job

certain so the questions so are these questions of order generic the questions general we're coming

to be more specific questions question where we're on part of your it's more

personal it's more in the reflection. The question Spaceman, is the question of Patreon. It's the abonies that will be able to listen to your response.

Nivo Eros and and companies, it's what it all to say, sensual and sexual. The question opto-rezo, it's our last question that will make fin at this encounter that, and

I like that when it's finished all in doussear this, and you have your Joker, who is super important, if you find that it

goes too long, and you say, oh, that I've no, I've got to answer to the table, I pass on an other. Perfect. So, it's just to put me to pose all the questions, and you know, it's just to permit to me to stop too long.

Perfect. So you me give us, five questions vert, five cards vert. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right, right, right, right, exactly.

One, two, three, four, five. Is that you're doing to try to car, in the life? No, I'm afraid of that. I'm afraid of that

because I'm a bit, I'm a little influenceable, I think. Some, when when we're I mean, I mean, it's because we have a question.

And when we have a question, sometimes we have to answer or we want to answer, so I've got to, I'm like, I'm afraid that's a thing that will me resty in the head. I understand.

But you're going to, but you're kind of a curiosity. Yeah. Yeah, it's so. Oh, yeah. But, you know, I read my horoscope,

and these times I get accord to the importance. So, you know, it's all neasue, my affair, there's not a fondment. Is it a distinction between the description

of your sign astrologic and the horoscope? The description of my sign astrologic is pretty just,

in general, and the horoscope, I think what's the thing, it's a time, it's a time, and it's a

foothase, and I'll let's say, well, my sense, the cochenery of commercialization of mood,

this affair of being nice. And then I go there, but when it when it's oh, oh,

oh, yeah. Mm. That, like all the But we're all right, but we don't know, we're not looking at least. No. But it's very that the description

of the sign astrologic is often just. Yes. We can recognize. And I'm, and I'm Belyer, ascendant, Belyer. So, you know,

I'm like a double sign, but a sign doubly, so it's pretty, so it's that's a fair what you do. So it's said that you let's

march on the feet, I'm a pyeasasone. It's that that's that's that, it's so that's a billier. So, so,

And after that, I'm going to choose a room, too, at that level that. So what's that you're wrong vulnerable? On what trait of character have you due to work? Hey, boy. What kind of infant were you? What person has made a difference in your life? How do you react you to the authority? That's the rle of a bellier, ascendant, be it.

You're not sure to respond to that. No, no, it's so. It's going to be beautiful. You are the authority. Um, what trait of character has you do try of

that I think that I think I'm going to respond Perfect, go see. Um, I do

and I have worked, and I'm really far on, on a form of rigidity and a

form of intransigence. I, I, I, I, I've been the same

also with a pair, you know, more in a bonoomy and

it's more more slack a little my father he was more relaxed it was it's the

humor but in the same time it's a prof of French so the language French

it's extremely important and how we're it's express but but a

man that had more a firm a very amate

super entourant and plent of humor enormously at a

But it's a lot of that. But we would say it and I'm am made, and I'm

going to get to get to get to be, I don't think it's it's like a figure that has

could have been a rigidity at a moment in my standard, in my way, in my

way, in my fashion to have the world. And I, I, I, you, I, you,

it's, it can, it can be, it's been to be, it's been, to be, the misery

to learn, to bring what is in-dissue of what I want to do with my relations. So you have some of the

time, you know, that's low in having these attend, because you can be

dissu. Yes. Is that the other, you know, do you know, do you have

the time? Uh, yes. It's flattering to say that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

I'm doing but, but for very, I'm, but, I'm, you know,

I'm part of the fact a bit, that for arrive in a life, you know,

you have to work, you're to be a good to be to be in your work,

you know, the effort should be to be made to all sorts of things and in the effort,

we can have a place, but there's a form of rigue and, and, you know,

sometimes it's not the fun. And we say, I'm to, I'm not,

I'm not in an excellence due to do too, but I'm there's standards

that are that are that I don't even not me sometimes, but that I'm to attend

to my entourage can't it's it's fredient to say that but I'm I'm saying

with a lot of because I'm in fact that because I'm in there and I'm not quite and it's not

person and it's not not to it's certainly because the other so I'm too I imagine

if it it's not to you're not to you're to get to say you know

how you're you're so much with my my parents it's so far just a

regard that's I would say it I'd say it's What I'm trying to say that I'm going to pose this question that because my my mother

had been like that she said that had an regard and it's a it's a bellier also but we're not you're not

I'm not there's something there's something there's something there's something and I'm don't know what it's

to know that your regard has a fact you can't you imagine he can't you're like my mom is not

content you know we it. I mean, I've always asked, and my mother has never responded, but how we've seen that the return?

It's not the fun. I'm not the fun. I'm not I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. And I'm not

that I'm not that I'm there's an standard, and I expect that my parents, by example, will they

will be going to be the other side, I'm the other side, I elave the children

for the the best possible, the better version of them and they correspond to

their proper standard, and they're in fo in life. You know, I'm more

need to leveled over the way, but I don't know to feel that I'm

severe or authoritar sometimes based on some of these old croiances

or these elements that aren't not the life he's performant

in all what you do you do? Yes. Yes. But, you know, it's at a it's a lot of a trait of character.

Yeah. And at the way, it's a part of the job that we have. We're a driverer autonomous. If you perform not, if you don't know what all the hour, if you know what you're not,

if you're not trying, if you're not rigorous and performant, you don't have any job. It's also simple than that. So, we'd say that there's a defamation professional that comes to that also.

It's like you do a transfer in your private. But that, I, I'm I said, in the entry to

I'm doing, I'm trying to because I'm a woman a woman I'm sure, I'm free, I'm

a lot, a lot of my life, in my day, but this element that of my personality

allureds allude allude all. It can allude an ambience, not just to me allure me in my car.

It can allure the ambience of the house. I'm never never that to work.

Evident I'm not my colleagues to work they're doing their job and I'm I think

I think when we make the same, we train that over those that on

and on the form of the gestion possible. But there is you an element

of a clancher by that you say you do I'm there's a lot of it, but you have you do these elements of the clencher that they said, I do

have to work on to? My perception of me, all right? Just simply. Yeah. And is it allege already something in your absolutely?

Yeah. Absolutely. You know, we'd like in a life, when you're in something, and you decide to end, in, to be in,

to be in, to be able to look for very, you can be able to watch otherman. So, Once you've

you've seen, this default or this affair that you decide, so that I deal with or or so that I'm

like I'm not made the same, so I'm doing it so, he's it's going to be of me to me at the

base. Well, I imagine, that it's it's all over it's not something to get something

to get because of the people who don't know there, there's a there's a

there's a there don't know and it's it's true. It's so. It's so. It's so.

It's so. It's so. the first. So, so. So, so it's on that it's a

trait of character on which I'm actively. And it's not a peer. Well, I'm just

to let make to do face, like you say, there a bit of a chime to do you

know, because if someone you're talking to a family, you will be open to talk about.

Ah, yeah, and he on my family, he made at the 13 years,

and she, and at a point to do, you, the children, and that you see that they

start to have their little point of view, their recule, their perception of something. They're not just respond to the

consign or to go to the school and they're going to, it's a little their personality but the personality is deployed

to more and more. There's in second of two, there's plenty of people around there's like she, she,

she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, it's, she, it's, And it's all this affair

to do have a bit to put a position for so it's like it in a position in the family also.

And so, I think that's like a new new mirror in which is like a little new I'm going to and eventually

my son he will have this regard there. There's your age your year?

It's, but it comes quite quite it's certainly when they're when they're

talking the two. Yes, it's the children when you're like a They've seen

They're often They're Yeah, they're They're often Yeah, and it's correct that You know, I'm a

Rappell, to have three years, and I'm in my parents had no a lot of, and that's

she's, she's, it's been much, but at the time, I'm sure it's

my parents like my parents, like my so, so I'm trying to be there to.

But you're at the listen, I'm sure, I'm so, I'm so, let's talk,

so, let's talk of you, well, I think, I'd be tonnery not to I'd

do not, I did be a spectacle, I had much a lot of attention.

I'd have to be so much that's young. I'd be able be able to

when my parents had to soupy I was I'm content because that I

had prepared a little spectacle for the people my parents

were like okay she's all I'm a little a little spectacle

a song a little dance I'm imited my parents I was a little gag and there's a celebrity

a foe where it it would be really be too even for the friends of my parents they're saying

we're saying we have always the spectacle of the sound that it's like to say that I'm like that

I'm like that I'm it's so I'm sure to find mom the other we're on again

we're there's a there a there's a there's a there's a few, and I see what's going to have to have a discussion important, and I was arriving to

do find a spectacle, and my mother had made, Ellen, it's sufficient. We've seen, there. Long time, it's seen. You can't go, man, but he's even not made my spectac. And then, you've been not made my own spectac. And then, you've been done, in seven, and, but, yeah, but I've even not made my spectacle, and then, and I've seen,

it's enough, thank. It's a lot. Oh, no. So, I mean, I said, it felt like I'm with a little bit more a little bit more a little bit for interest the people

but I had much more more attention so much, so, so, so, so,

and is, is that attention? Yes, I never had enough because you because you

were, but you know, I'd say, I'd put it, I'm all, I'm

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, and it's

because I'm let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's,

so, I'd like that. I'd not time, because I'd mottriesed my subjects, I'd try and I'd, well, today, I'd say, well, today, I'm in second year, let's talk to your vacants d'E, let'sone, you talk a little anecdote, and, you know,

in the front, it's just for that the professor could have access a little to see who are a bit, who's getting, who's who is what, you know, and I'm, you know, and I said, I was jenny, and I'd say, I'd say, oh, I'm sorry, and And, during the exposé, it had to be the proffes

face, it's, it's a beau, Ellen, your time had been clear, and I said, but I'm going to be, I'm not finished,

I'm going to talk about, you'll be able to say, and there's plenty of people, they would not do you,

so he said, yeah, we're going to be it because he wanted to because he my public

my public me reclam, he'd say, there's always that I, you know, that I, you that I,

you know, that I, you know, all rammed that, because is your

is there have a friend of a friend he's a man who he's a man who

he had been he had he had he was the first the family he could he could

be you he could be recounting it's your it's my my spectator I'm obliged

to have the playing with me a year more than more than I

just I I'm he'd he'd he'd on the cord of on

I'm I made some he he'd It was like to tear for the draught

so if it saw the rito and then it's like glorious in the court

with two spectator it was pitoyant but it was creative in all

so I'm in the scene it's it's totally an auto

gestion is is is that was just clear that you wanted

to it For me, I'm I'll always me remember my more long-tain

so we know, we're going to see, my parents were very very open on the culture,

we used about the music, the spectacle of music, we're going to be, my brother, the rubeye,

no, but we're going to be going to be shows, and I'm going to be a age of

a age of eight years of how it's because it's completely inappropriate, but we're

to see, Pee of Poole I've got to Pee of Poole with Mark of the Breach with Norma original, okay?

But, you know, it's trash that, Pye-D-Poe there, there's the prostitution, there's a place,

there's like there, I don't why I have this disc that, I'm I was an book, in my chamber,

I had a little tourne of disc, I was, I'm obsessed by Pee-D by Pee-D-Poo, and he

had been at Gattino, I've been in the Utaway, he had been at the Center National of the Arts, and I had supplied my parents

to buy Pied Pied Poole with my mother. I was in 3rd, primary. It was a Wednesday, I was a second of the school that had to be able

Pied Pee-D-Poole. I'd be able to bonn, you think? I'd be able to see Pee-D-Poole, but I've had like an epiphany,

I'm a repel of being there and to be there, okay, it's their work they're they're on

they're they're on, they're they live these emotions they're they're a spectacle

it's their work but it that's all that's all thank you I've understood

what I had been so simple that it's incredible how rapidly

you know there's there are there there's there's what you have

the general of epiphani and it's It doesn't. And that, for real,

I'm going I'm going to think of my children who have a lot of their passions or these interests, but I'm

conscious today that's not all the world that's a passion clear, a kind of a space of

line directress precise. I've never had never had to plan B I'm there's no question I

think I'm not, what's I'm saying even not, even not, I was even not there. Is it accepted

all right? No. At the school? Okay, you're at at which school? I was at

St. Therese. At St. Therese, okay. And I, I, I was accepted at at, at,

at, at, at, three auditions, three years. So, the first year of audition, I

thought, because I was the girl to Lutawe who had a place, and so, I'm implicated in the theater,

and the trouble, and you're like, and you're like, and I'm, and I'm trying to the place, and quiet. I was

I was sure that I'd arrive there in all all the school of theater, it's like

a fine of a week where you're there's auditions and I'm sincerely it's pretty

it's ridiculous to say in the affair to make but I'm but I'm sure that and he

would be saying wow wow fantastic I'm sure that my that you

go to that you're to choose where to go totally so that I'm

sure so so convinced, not just just of my talent, I was convinced of my place

in the place in the place in the first year, even not at Lucam that at the time,

that was not really a program very much changed, it's much changed, but at the time,

Lucam's offered like a little a sombre program of theater more,

like, those who were not accepted to a year and it had been accepted

there. The second year... I'll just know how you've seen how you have

that's like a clack in face like a humiliation profound. It's like

that I have learned that I'm that I had to have to have to have a life and that

was, you know, the talent is a thing hey, the talent is a

thing, but there two, five, so how you're doing you'd do you

mark by the time, by the Annay of auditions. I've worked.

I've been to meet at to all the people too. I'm going to do the auditions. Because after you

say it's not not much. No, it's not it's not it's not it. And the

second year, I'm going to be accepted just at UCAM. I just what's

I can imagine how it would be formate for you. Look, it's something.

Formate at posteriori, we can say that. But on the coup, I repeat that at Lucam, at the

time, it was not a program that was very recognized, you know, there were the course of theater, and there were a program. Yeah, it's true, because we had, you know, at Quebec, the

school national, the Conservatoire of Montreal, the New York, and St. Therese, and there had also UCAM. It's a bit of So, so, it was all

nebulelew, in it. Okay, you're to go. Okay, you're going to come back. I'm going to look at Luchamp, and during

this year, I've retrained even more far with an other coach of auditions for able to access

to the third time. And I would not, I had so I'm saying, if he was going

to be able and it's that also the ego, you know, I think it's the ego of the 20th

or the end of the end of the end of the end of the end of I had the impression

that he would have to do a, no, we're not not, you're not,

you know, that's it was two four that I had the impression that I had me

to recognize of my manned of talent so I'm made like I'm made,

I had made I'm in my hair I'm in the hair, but I'm tattache the hair,

and I had made the lunettes. I had no need the lunette with not of force

that, like, like, in aspirant that you know, they're not not.

They've been not, they've been able to accepted. So I'm going there at St. Teresh. I've made the four years. And it's that also.

At the time, now the things have changed, I think, but at the time the formation in theater dured four years. And at each

year we'd get a 50, I think we were 58 at in my year, and we had finished a 12, 13.

So, there had a every year, there were in many, there were not to encounter the exigences.

At each year. You're not. sure to finish. Like in the sport, in the front. There's a bit repanchage, and there are who are going to rest on the band, that's it. So, at each year, there were every year and the

second year, the most of the second year, the most it was going, the more it, more it's a re-voys. So, I mean, if I went there, I'm sorry, at the end of four years, it's not real, so I, so I'm going to

work, and to be extremely focused, and, especially, to me defocusing to my ownubri, you You know, you'd make a lot of confidence in you. No. I don't have too.

Probably that I'm arrogant. Pretentious, I don't, but I think I'm not, but I think there's that

also in the genese, there's an arrogance. But it's it's not that, you know, I said, you're a

batante also, but it's when you know, you know, when you know, when you're not so, it's not much

of humility. So, you've I've learned the humility. I've applied the humility. And you've never regretted?

I've never regretted of my life. You know, it's not, it's not, there's not there's no

possibility other. It was sure, and more than that, I was what I wanted was to

to partone to the culture Quebecoise, to the Peasage Culturales, appellate

to interviews, the quiz, to gala, obviously to teleromans, to series, to cinema, to the scene,

to partoner to I'd be in that, I'd be in there. It's just that I wanted, you know, it's, it's, it's,

it's, it's, sincerely, at the depart, it was all to the art, to the passion

artistic, let's, the passion for the most, the passion, I've always, the words, it came to my father.

And I've always had this passion for the characters written for, who do you know, when we see at the screen or on the scene.

I've always to be at the TV, then it's a part of this affair that, that's a bit as we're reproach, you know,

to young who want to be stars. Yes, but with, but you have a talent. It's

that, you have a substance. Sincerment. You said, you wanted to be an actress, Yeah, well, I Yeah, I wanted

I wanted I'm sure, I wanted I wanted, but I wanted I wanted to be known in this milieu that,

I wanted to I'd be to be friends with the world, you know, and when you have attained,

oh, my, do you know, when you did you did you say, I'm saying,

I say, I'm saying, I'm in it's been to say, it's a first gemo

for Anni his um, my first year, my first year of my life,

I've had a gemo for manned his women and the year and the

time at the time you have a artist I'm an artist and one another

and there the bougon and then it's made, and it's it said oh wow

it's precious I'm I'm I'm I'm there, it's in

it there, and there's there's there's it's the

true it's the job but it's the partage it's an

exchange it's a place that's what I'm accorded and that I should share it

profoundly. You know, the other the other step, it's been I'm not if you were

if you're doing that, but we were to get to the month of July I, I

had all the sketch by car, I said, I'm that, I'm that, I'm

that, I'm that, I'm so, so, so I'm to be at the TV, but I wanted

to show, I'm you want, you're, you have a direction, because there's some of them who are there

they're going to have to be in a direction. So you know, you know where you've got to go to go to do, but you say,

one time I'm at your tux. Yes, you know, when I was there was not really a tele-reality that's not the mode there

25 years, but I think if there was there was a reality, I'd have been to be I'm not,

I'm not, I'm going to be viewed for be viewed, look at my parents, it's not like when I'm

when I'm thought, you, it's, you know, We've evolved. It's more. There, I want to participate to something.

I want to play in something. I'm going to dovertire. I want to participate to, like, a bit,

to be in-aid of the world. It's just that, the divertism. It's just that, you know, you have your direction. Yes, you know, we

had some, he would have to do the TV, and I'm like, what you want, what you want, what you're doing, what you're trying,

I don't know, I don't know, but it's because you, you know, the TV is like a vehicle, yeah, But you know, it's what your vehicle?

In what you want to embarking? It's not just exist in the space public. It's what? You know, you know, what, your place? Yes, in the space public. But you'd arrive, you'd arrive, you'd have not in Katimini. You'd have to arrive? It's so, yeah.

Yeah, but in the same time, I think it's also a method like that, you know? Not necessarily. No, you know, there's, you know, there are plenty of introverties who are, actors, or the actress, the animators, also, you know, who are more who are more ported

on the other, on the court, I'm, it's, it's to have

eventually, it's devenue that my life. But at the part, I was

not brought on the other, it was on the it's not glorious to say that

and it can't be much to it's really that at the time, but you

know, but you didn't try to it's not wrong, with the life

and with the time I, in In plain of circumstances, I've made some of the choice that I've made to more to have in view also

just to be to listen the other and to make the light on the other all by my part. But at the first it was not that

that I wanted exist to far. When you had your diploma of St. Therese? I was sent to know I was very

braied, I was totally content, I was totally proud, and it was a page that was turn and another

that was overed, you know, there had the life that who commenced you know, he will

have to have to have a contract, he will have to have a agent who

have been to have to have to have to be interested to what I'm

in their project. There, it's there's there, you know, there's

uncertainty and then there, well, it's had started, and the

response and the answer. And you on it's still, you're still

there. The Nive Jone, if you I mean I don't four, if you please

four questions. The spectacle because when you talked about, because when you were talking to I was, I thought, I'm a guy who's

and it was pretty sympathetic, it was sympathetic, but I said, at what hour the spectacle? You know, to say, when

it was not when we're at a moment of a time, we're going to go to the cell, it's a

table of ping pong, it's like the scene, the table of ping pong, he was what?

And what's what he does in the, he's in a place but in the same time, it's a pleader so, you know, I think there's a public

there's an avocop plaidore. I mean, I'm saying, at that, the, the children who are, they have

they have been they're going to an, they're going to an end up. Yes, yeah, well,

I've had had been the mine, you know, and I've had been and they've been used

and they're my parents, they've been up in me saying, do what you do you want, do you want,

to be, organize what you want you want to do you want to in any part of which domain, fail it, but assume

it. So, to be an actress it's always it's a assume the part of ombr, assume the part

of the part of not of work, assume the insurity, not just financial, the insecurity

in line also with the reject, you know, because you auditioned a time, you know,

you know, I'll say, it's not, it's not, it's a lot, it's, it's a lot of you know,

it's quite something. VIII. Vaux Jone. I love the point of directive. Jone. Jone.

I mean, I'm put a gloss for the level yellow. Mere du gloss for the level jones. It's going to make your question.

Perfect. What is your rapport with the death? Oh. What is the most grand of the fee that

you have had to surmounted? Is you the mair that you thought you had to be? Oh,

what? What do you have you irritate to your mother? Hmm. I'm, I'll respond

to that but it's has a link with you. What is the most great a difference

that's you have had been to surmounted? The challenge in line

with the maternity. The maternity and the parentality to be a parent

for me is an immense and magnificent and rich of the other

and I think that all the steps in some I think to be parents

it's totally confrontant and rich and it's a tonant and

surprenant but you're not the center of your universe suddenly I'm

made a immense in line with what we said I'm saying I'm you're

you're not the center of your universe but the little person who is there

you know you you're not not you're not always that's not that it's

that it's that it's that's my my wife at two a six

or at 13 at 10 you know, you're always in trying to you're doing

to do you do that I'm trying to the fucky I'm trying to, I'm too, I'm too

all the time all the time all the time and for me it's a difficult but I'm

very intuitive and instinctive in life and I see where I'm where I'm and I'm

and I'm very, very often deroged. It's a, it's a grand a big a big defy, and not only

it's a beau of course, but I'm going to I've got to after, I've wanted to do you know, not do you know,

how you see the maternity before? Rose Paul, as it was I'm saying it was really that Rose Paul

oh, it's so beautiful baby, baby, and the latem and the latem and it's beautiful and it's beautiful and it's beautiful

and it's really cute and it's so much beautiful But all the lack of liberty, the kind of a bit,

I've been like claustrophoban, you know, at the beginning in the same a piece of a styeard, a teadre

of a view, there's a there's their period preferer, it's, it depends. I mean,

I'd finished more to get to get my pushet, I'd be able to

be in four, to be able to be able to start, if there's Like, let's plain, you know, it's

platt, you know, it's like, it's been cute, but I was like, you know, the first month. You felt like there were more

an interaction, there's not, there's a little, there's a few, there's a few there's a lot, there's a lot, you change

the couche, you don't, the bed, you know, you know, you know, re-allette, you re-change

these cush, you redone, the bed, you redone, medium, all, all the, so,

so, so, That's That, and, you know, I'm imagining also I'd imagine to be in sight and I mean,

and I've made several false Coucher, so I'm imagining that it would be a bit like all the rest in my life,

it's to say when you can, you can, then you'll you're going, and you'll be all right, and all the kit,

and it's, it's, it's, it's, it's not been that, our history, we, of family

or of couple. So, so, it's a great difficulty to be a parent. And how

you've been used that, it's false couch that? Because it's difficult,

you know, the dewe perinatal, it's tough, it's tough, there's something of abstract for the

other in the dewe perinatale. And, And sometimes, in the couple, we don't like that's not the couple, we don't know,

because also the women, there's a after physically that can be, who can be in, you know, I've heard of

a baby at 29 a week, and if I had a lotteuse, there's not a baby, there, it's tough, that,

you know, not because you know, because you're not because it's not because, it's not, it's,

it's a, it's a, it's a absence. Yes. Well, I've used that,

like, like, like, like many of other women, it's to say with an immense

deseroy, like these dewee that person can't understand because he will not have an other

and not. Fettoz and not. I'm, I'm saying well, you know, I'm not

there's a old, you have done, you know, there's a man who's I mean, he's said,

he's more in our in our back in yeah, but, and Mario, he's

said, but it does it for your time, oh, my God, like

if he he existed Yeah, well, exactly. There's like, I think that the dole is one of the dewee that's the most difficult

for the entourage, for the people who are, they don't know what to say, they can't they can't say, you know,

you know, so you're talking to something that's not that's not exist for them. For them,

for us, for us, for us, it's just, for us, it's quite, came the the coat

malabille, and me it, I'm shocked I, you know, I'm isolated, because I'm always Oh, yeah, well, it's a

saying that I'm not quite, you know, but I'm not able to hear all the other because it's not the scourgrem, you know, you

understand, it's a baby, you know, it's a baby that we've done a name, he is deced, it's not, we're saying,

he'll be able to it, it, he'll be, there, it's never, it, it's terminated, you know, yeah.

I'm, you know, I had used the false couche, like I said, advanced, you know, the most advanced,

it's at four months, and, you know, it's not, it's not, it's not, but it's not, but it's not,

it's not, you know, you'd say, it's important. It's, it's all had been, but at every

time, I'd say, especially, what I was, to get, not just, at the beginning, it was physical,

uh, I'd have to have something, he'd, he'd be, it's been something, my chum,

and me, you know, there, there's something what's that, I'm going to say, physically, it's not, I'm in sight, but he doesn't, so, like, now, it's

been, is, is my my chum, and me, in the front, we're, in fact, it's maybe a sign of the life that we'd never have an infant, it's maybe, it's a sign of the life, you know, I'm, you're

in the sign of the life, that, that I'm not made for a matter, that I'm not, that's not a good mare. Now, I was in, the little arm who's been to find

a refuge in my her vent, she's not like what she's she's going to you're trying

a sense I'm trying to a sense a response I thought that it's quite I'm quite I'm quite

quite certain so it's it's hard for the car for the for the but there but I'm

but it's because it 's additioned there you know what's what's what I

do you do you know what I do you do you do understand of that

and the medicine me I said, you're going to privy, I've made all the tests,

and I'm doing the there's a thing you're there's a thing you're there's a thing, it's

a lot of you're not, you're not all the nutrition, your body, your body, and then

finally, we've had Margot when I had 38 years, and finally there's

there had two other after Margot and after that we've decided to go in adoption because

in reality what we was to be to be a family to be to be a question or not

to be sincerely it was not that's not the issue and I had had been the chance

or the privilege to live a groseess so I'm well now now that it's

it's all all all right but let's let's let's

let's it will be a other much because also I've got to be

the age that I had 42 when Oscar is when Oscar is when it's it's

it was it All that, that, it's part of what is the most grand defeat that's you've had to

surmounted. But it's a defy in which I'm going to have chosen to live. It's not a defy

that's not a question, and for me, it's all the difference in the kind of drama that

it can be or the difficulty that it can have been when Margot you have

you've seen that she had been when Margot, she was good. Hey, Margot, I was at

five months and a half of these jeans there, I'd putt on my jeans that were not at least

it's like my body that's like, that pop, we'd say that it'd that's always that's always,

I'd always always to say to go to the medicin for a following, I had

a very, very, very, very serried due to to the history, and the

medicin me said, there, you know, that, your baby, is in form,

she's in good-humor, she moved, she grandes well, she could be there already, and she's

correct. So, like, live your grossess, live there, and I'm and I'm

out of the midsaint, and at three years, I had a bedon that had popped.

It's a little bedden of six months, been round, very present, and I, and I,

I'm, I'm savoured just at the end? It's something, I imagine

you'd have kind of this crainth that you know, when you have been used

all the whole every year I'm not I'm not how I'm saying, it's not

don't know to do but I say every time I'm sure I'm yeah

yeah I understand all the time we're we're doing in a day in in a

so it's it's a part of violence yeah it's very present all the time

all the time So when finally she's when finally she's arrived it's okay

there's a there. Now your family is complete with Margot and Victor Oscar

with Oscar with Oscar Yeah well, yeah well it's complete, I'm 151

a woman to get to get mynopause it's on preemnopose yeah yeah

because it's over 10 yeah it's it's freying how it

it's freeing how much oh la yeah Depute 10 years yes. Yes.

And what's what the most big changement? To bring some the hormones and that

do you redore the night. Oh, yeah, I'm more irritable, I'm more

calm, I'm more appeased, I'm, it's so. It's so, to be there

being a woman, it's something there's a lot, but the hormones do you

get a lot, so, so, we're, it's, it has a

great influence. Yes, on our life, and very young. Yes. It's going to be very young, that's, and it's true long time,

yeah. It's beautiful to be a woman. But it's beautiful. But it's complex. Yeah. You know,

you know, it's a good to be in-accompanied. It's like, you know, I think, I'm sure, we're chanceoise

to be of this generation where we talk to more and more, of, just, of the quality

of life, to live and let's live, of the hormones, the premenopause, the transidentity, the homo, you know,

of the homoparentality, of all, we're talking, we're talking to more and more to all, and it's, I know,

we're sure to be, my mother we're trying to be chanceous to be there. You know, my mother,

she never heard of a premenopause and a new vogue, but it was not at the time,

we're not to do that. We're we're not to say, and it's these jokes, often. It was

it's more the order we're doing to that, you know, we to that. We're in opposite, you

She's a show, she's a mother, always in Maudy, her mother, she's,

she's been for a little bit of a little. Yeah. So, you know, we're still

to participate at Lottomeno, yeah. But, but this documenter that has been important,

I thought, even if we were talking even if it wasn't, it's not it was, it

has identified something, and we say, we can you take care of the health to feminine? Absolutely. It's Vero who has drived

all that in a manner magistral, and she was invited to he participated because in the year I

had texted in braying, in saying, hey, me, it's a marge more,

it's, it's like a two years, that I said, there's a thing that's something

that's not that I'm trying to virate full, I'm not I'm not who's not

who's what's had heard at the radio to say, and I texted because we're a copy of,

and she had done, we can't do you, we're doing to say, she's a minute on the telephone,

two hours later, I had a time, and I had to make prescries of blood, and all the

kit, and it was quite that, but, you know, we're not a lot, you know, even five

years. I, when I was when I was on the omissions on two years, we're coming

to do, we've been, to do the that we had to find the inviators? No. Well, yeah,

who would come to come to be talking to the menopause? And that would say, hey,

you know, you know, it's saying, okay, I'm, you know, after that, you know,

after that, we've had been a few, the last years, but it's, you think really that I

want to talk, what's, what the people are going to think, there was

there was there was there, and when we used to do the first, with three

invite, with three invite, and accepted to an talk and a specialist the number

of the message we had used. At the point it was very, he'd heard of the symptoms that didn't even

not that I'm out of going to say, well I'm out going to say, well, I'm going to be a cancer of

my zo. I had the misery to get the morning, I had a mind of the night,

to that, to understand that it's an effect of the menopos because we're in per

of collagen, but she, I said, I'm, I'm sure, she's anxious, that. You

think that's a cancer of the and also the temperament that changes all that's, it's,

it's, it's, it's a condition. And you see, in the years, I think, in the 2022,

it's a day, and there, we had more of misery to to reunir to people

who came to talk to the women, yeah, and at that, I think

both, and you don't, you know, it's it's to see, to see,

to see, the women, of 40, 45, 50, 60, 60 years, 60 years, who are always at

the screen, who are, who are vivant, who are a proposal, who are, you know,

that it's to be able to talk about to do affair public or of affairs of health, but who

exist still at the screen, that, it's tristement new, again,

it's, it's, I said, I said, I'd say, you know, 30, 40,

There are 20 years, there were not the women of 60s at the screen, assume 60s, 10th, or 50s. Assume, it's that. Assume, 60sner or 50s. Yeah, and talk about

these angeo that come with your tranche of age, exactly, and that it's not, that's a lot, you know, that we're not, let's on,

relegated to the emissions to madame. No, I comprehend. I'm pretty much, you know, I think that's

beautiful, we, we end in an other air, like, we're we, we're it's the time, we're

we, you're right, you know, You know, the age, at a moment a day, we're going to on a moment of the exterior, I mean, you know, the car, in the dark

in the dayyriek, the car, you'll catcher never at your overs in your uterus, your age, you can't, you will never

say, I, I'm, I'm, I'm retarded my menopause at 82 years, no, the car,

there at a moment of a, he manifests, we, we're not, we're not and it's We're in a tonement, we see, I'm 501

I'm still, I'm still 36 years, there's a lot, in my head. There's that also that's strange. You know, we've reigned. For certain, we accept to let's separate the hair gray, we accept to let's separate different affairs in line with the car

that change. But in there, I'm 306 years. It's bizarre. All that, it's bizarre. Yeah, but because there are there are these

things that don't know. Is that you do your age? Oh, completely. I'm going to oh, no,

I'm going to no, no. No, no, I'm going to say, I'm going to I'm going to

I'm going to I'm going to I'm over 56 years. It's it's fit with my age,

I'm not rocked for 32, no, it's because I think when when we're in the

space public, there are that they're not to say their age, and especially at the actress. I think that

by a part role, sometimes it can become a issue. In fact, I feel like it's more open

now that it's but I'm always felt a more great reticence. Not at the chanteuse, but I'm not

at the actors not, but I'm not, the actors. Well, sure, that no, a other double

standard. An actor who has the hair gray, the little pat-toe, even a little

bedden, a little, it's so reassuring it's so sexy but a woman

it's not that's not it's not it's like on it's like it's that we're trying to take in

hand yeah you're too for your tauts that that do you

do that true uh yes is that have come to live that is that

you've seen a difference you're 306 in your head but is you have the impression

that's the people ? I'm I'm sure to have 51 year,

and to be in form, and to be still there. I'm my response like that. I'm

sure to have 25 years, 25 of presence, 25 years, 25 years,

and other to find, you know, I think, I think, I think, I think,

I think, it's, I think, I've been Some, the hair, I have my hair, I have my and I'm because I,

I think, I think, I think, I'm not, the day where I'm , you know, I'd

let's be transparent and then I'd think about, I'm trying to, but, you know, I'm not, I'm not,

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm,

maybe, sometimes, I'm, sometimes, when I, when I, when I'm, when I'm,

when I'm, when I'm, And I'm like there. Yeah, but I'm in same time, I'm in the same

I'm trying to the shoes. In fact, I've never used my color natural. Okay, I'm sure

I'm always the color. So, that's all about with the age, you know, it's not apart, you know,

but I think it's something with the which we can be sure, absolutely. You know, so,

so, I see, I saw, I see, I said, for a day, for a day, and finally, she said,

she said, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, that, but for the instance,

it would be maturried. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not that.

But, you know, I'm remember, when I'm when I'm my mother, in the

30th, 35, 40 years, she said to do that like, oh, no, I can't

put put a age that I'm at the age, or I can't be, you know,

there's a same age. Yeah, I'm trying to do that same age, yeah, the long

of the hip, I'm, I, where we're where we're a bit to be in

I'm in some of the I'm in a that's not, you know, that my my mother would don't

think that that's about that way, I'm in my mom, strapless, and then-p if the bra

are flagada. Hey, I can't you live, we can't say, I'm put you to say that. No, but

it's because you have to be to be able to be able to be in the age that we have,

the power change, the texture, all change, but it's part of the life.

I feel I feelicite all the women who decide to make to make more also for

the TV I feel like I'm like a link with the whole debut of our moment

but let's Dolores Bougon to me have made to me at my same

when I'm when I'm a gala at a interview an affair or a tippe

a tappe a topier it's sure that in my same I'm the good to be

at the max of my beauty I'm got to be to be a look the fun

that me convient or that's sublim, let's on, you know, but for

a role, there's nothing more the fun than to do you know, it's so it's

too hard to play a person and to think to have I, I'm to get to

because this robe that to be to get a little, you know, or, you know,

I have that I'm just that because this pantalon that he made like in the

face bizarre, so I feel to be to think to say that when we

to work when we when we Dolores Bougu has made this liberty that you're of the air of what I'm

like that you're exactly and it's all and it's all I'm the chance also I'm I'm, you know I'm pretty

well in the life but I've the chance to never have been perhaps to these roles there also

notaman but I never been etiquette like the belle female of service the belle

blonde on the blue who, all the whole regards to veer on it's, it's never been so, I've always

been categorized like the droll, the old, the alphan, the girl next door, the, you know, the girl next door,

that's so. So, you, it's never, it's, it's, it's made, to, you know, to be passed

to crotch and that's not too grave. But it would be very hard to partone

to be to be to be to be to be keep, there's There are really many of the people who are pogned in these standards,

in these images that, their mother has said, who are rested pogned in, you know, after 50 years ago, you know, there's all of, all of obligation, who are written at all the part, who are,

who are that in the imaginary, and, sometimes, you know, of other generations, we're in the liberty. Exactly. And if we're being, In fact, the idea of the way is to be good.

If you're good in your look, what's the rest? We don't know. And it's for that I said, we're chanceous to be in this period of see of the life sociallyly where we have a little bit, you know, more of an opportunity.

But you're going to profite, by example. It's that. It's not to be in these patterns there and to self-censuried when we can do it feel. And, you know, I think, when we're

in the space public we have a form of leadership also. And that

there's not, there's not, there's not, there, the people look, we're looking,

and we observe, and I think, to be being, but it envois

also this message that. If we're in trying to say, no, after 50 years,

we're, I'm going to be the minute, we're doing, we're trying also to vehicular

this message that, like, as other have done Absolutely. You know, I think we have a, not a

Devoire, but it have to be self-me Yeah. We've, it's over the way also. I think it's,

because to be known a reason, it's what's what you have done a sense to that? Because she

had you reconnue when you're that's chate your there, if you understand, it's not

change anything. No, it's going to talk to someone, we're good on, we're content,

it's like a ego who, who resour of that. But when we talk, like we talk, and it's in

trying to have to think it's in a time and they're in when we're on the place public,

and when we enterprepment, we can't make the difference for you know. In fact, it's when I see when I'm

when I'm say, they're saying, they're saying, you know, they're not you know, it's really,

it's really, it's a change my life. There's there's always, it's to save my life, it's it's not, you,

it's, you know, because, it's, it's valid, it's, but who is never valided a year and

all of a and all of course it's, well I think I think we I think we're I think it's the

same that you know that's the same I think my wife I think that my wife also and I

think I'm saying to say just that's belle, I'm not I'm not but when you know

the idea to say that you're beautiful you're still I'm just you're totally droll

or you're telling intelligent you're totally creative And it's so cool what you mean to say

because I want to be in head just that she's just that's just that that's just the same thing to the same

to the same and I'm just the same I'm not to say, you I'm talking, you know, he's sportive

it's hot, he makes those efforts, I'll see, he's perseverant, it's good, you know, all that.

But we would say that all the question of look, I'm trying to when I'm at the time

I do that and it's often I do that, We want to be beautiful and belle in general. Yes. And I think

when we advance in age, it's still more more more more a piece of conscience.

Because we're more more than it there's more sometimes there's and it's no,

I continue to be to be more. Because I see, I've been probably I would beer

not like to beer like I'm like I'm like I'm want to have to be able to

be like the young of 20 of today, you have the right. And it's the fun. I'm presently with a gang

who are all in the 20thens on Donnell to Telekekeke to a show that I adore and they're all the 20th

okay? And I could all their mother but I never sent I never seen in their

regard that I'm the madame that amime the show that they're other do the realisate

she could be her mother the productress to content I'm would say all the world, I could be their mother.

It's going to be that to be more. It's going to be that more. But I don't but I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm

not, I'm not, I think, and I think, but it's that's that it's that that's what that's the

thing, it's that, it's this exchange that, this communion that with some people more young, the people

people, we're in we're in we're in we're in we're not we're just, we're just,

well, no, but now, we can't we can't we're just in an open no, but it's beau, I think that's old, I think, yeah,

apart the car, there's something of a beau because we have an ego who is not trying to make our proof, and

we can't, you know, we're, we're trying, and I'm sure that for your gang who is more

young, it's the fun to to be able to learn they're they're to learn

they're to learn this exchange we're not we're not no need to say is we're

to learn if I'm to learn something but to just the live yeah it's

beautiful it's beau yeah I'm saying I'm I'm a time I'm

hmm um um uh I'm there I'm just I'm sorry

this question is you have finished the level we're we're we're we're

we're we're it's me it's me part so the level Ruge, you will

me on don't know three, if please, the level Ruge, you will only respond to

a question of a question. But this discussion that is really interesting. Really.

I mean, I'm a guy, two three, and my females, we can

do you do you just the appearance? Yeah. When you you're in there,

it's really, it's really in the world. There, there's a thing, you're there are people,

aesthetically but if they're so they're so they're not saying they're that they're not sure

for that. Exactly. It's not that that he makes a It's not necessarily necessarily Exactly

So, so So, what's What I mean The Dewee Pyrinatal for you?

Oh, damn. It's more personal, is it Is that you've already to be

to your limit physical or psychologic? At which a question,

pre-profound your question, I've the good to respond to that,

but certain, go see about you my to my chom, my, he

he respond to a a question profound and it's not because I'm

not because I'm not quite to do too I think to I'm a a

a reason profound of security my man he securise in what he

is and in all what I see he he securise my

elan my my fug my my questionments and securize

all what they're and it's a lot and we're like a whole whole life around

of the couple that we've created you know six years but he me he's how you

know you've known my chum I'm He was known. In fact, it's been

25 years. It's been 25 years that I'm he was a time, an engineer of sound,

and I met when I met with my first, my first contract of voice. I've

worked with my voice and I did the publicity, and the first guide that I've

had used, the first contract of voice that I had in studio, and who

he'd me enregistre and he would be for the condom, three-gen. And then I had

pogned the campaign, and I was just I'm very nervous because, you know, it's paying the pub, and I wanted to be

good, and I ever had never done that, and I don't know a lot, and it had been very securizing. It's a

real, that we come back to that. And it's all, after that I've started to have made

to do more of different publicity, and he took, he has changed to studio, he's going to work

to work at some I've seen at some moment. We had worked and a moment a minute

there's six years, it's a nine years that we're together very regularly

and I'm I'm never really I'm remember to you because it's the first guy with

who I had worked and he's very very gentle and it's very

very agreeable and he had a seven a minute he he made he was

a date and it's clearly a date there's not there's no it's

clearly a date I'd like to invite to supper all the two and me so I'm so I'm a date

and I'm never seen like that I've never percy Dominique like a potential chum

but I'm newly newlybate and I'm out of a relation trouble and toxic

so I had like I have like I'm just fun and of liberty and legertet

and the deuceor so I'm to get to be at date also for to be

poli, because, honestly, we're trying to work together every time. I thought it's fair, no, I regret it, so it's not it's not, I think that's not...

It would be created a little malice. You know, the week of course, we're trying to work together, so I'm going to be sympathetic, it's sure,

it's the fun, and he's super fine. Sympatique, we will soup, and then after that we'll say, bye,

and I'm going to make you hear let's say, let's see not, I don't know no potential I'm an amourou, I'll you know, I'll

you know I'm going to write a question, you know, and this story, we're

we've got but also we've got a lot discussion, and this story that I'm feeling well,

and it's the first time that I had a cut of a cut of food, that it had to be

that it would be soleve the soil, and it was just, it just, it's just, it was easy. Yeah,

it's fluid. It's 100%. And it was a real date, you know, you know, you're doing,

you know, there's a a great date, that we're doing to ask some question on the other, and I

had never really really really brought attention, but I had said, I mean, he's

left for to the toilet in a moment, and I like, I mean, I'm,

I'm, I'm coming he's, I'm his epos, let's see, I'm, let's see,

I'm in some, let's the The fact, let's see that, and it's that, we've been and we've got to be a lot, and we've got never quit from

this story, that. So, you've got not written the little message after? Oh, yeah, I mean not, but

not, but not, you didn't know, yeah, it's like that. Simply. It's beautiful like this time.

And the first time, I was not sure, I said, we know, it's going to come flat,

we're not, we're not, we're not, you know, I had the relations of passion, I had

there were relations, you know, tumultuous. It was deborded. For me, the love, it felt like that explode, that it had to be very intense. And with him, it was not intense. It was just,

good. And I thought not that enough. I was sure that it would be enough. And then, you were used to that? Yes.

Perhaps, perhaps it would be more in what you're profoundly? It's so. it was more that

which I had envy and really in my life more than than the clackage

of porth and the vassels that's but you see, there's there are

there sometimes they're all a time retombe in the same type of relationship

it's like they're a idea of what they're I'm

they're and they're there and not of what they're

what they're but it's like exterior Yeah. It's that I'm that I'm trying

and when I get not that, but we're not in the same in the moment in the restanty Yeah. It's like

you had like something of an exterior that you exposed. Yeah. And you've knew what you

wanted to in the same time. Yeah. So that Dominic, you got to be met

to be able to be able to exactly. Exactly. I'm I've met in a moment

where I'm probably vulnerable but very, in love. And how you were

like When you're in a relationship that's in a relationship, that's you've remarked the difference one of the first you've known other things,

in your personality? Was it to be more entente? Well, yes, by the force of the things. Because if there there are

who are who who says this relationship that, you've used, you've used the word toxic. It's absolutely

toxic. And, you know, I'm etalry not on the subject because it's a subject that's a very sensible

again because it's a very very, uh, uh, uh, uh,

but you're in trying to you're in trying to to per? Completely. Um, completely.

Uh, yeah, it's, that's, that's, someone of luminous like you,

you, you're, I, I, I, I, I, I,

I, I, I, I, I was not no part, so off

at the work, because I had these bad guys, but I, you know,

I'd dissimulated, I'd seem like that's all right, I'd more because

it'd because it derangeed when I didn't, the other person, and,

you know, it's, it's, it's a but it's that, there's there are,

there, there are, that, who, who, who, , the demur

tranquilly. And then there's a moment of who will have been who are who have

they're in a place and they're in a you know we're we're

and it's with our experience that we know that we can we're we can

defate of certain prejudge or judgment that we know I mean I'm

I'm I have tendance to judge a little the women that

in the relations like this like Well, now, it's not quite votant. But it's so much insidue

than that that's it's hard at a moment to see clear to be sure at a moment of a moment

of a moment because the regard, our proper regard on us even is become

embrouye at force to receive the regard of the other. And there, when you I've seen that the light of her

re-alumet? Hey, it's possible. It's passed too docement. With Dominique, my chum

is a man who's a lot, you know, that's a drive, that is the fun,

who has a head to his appell, who is a that's a million

quality and the default, but there's there's certainly a profound doceor,

it's a person profoundly respectue and profoundly solid,

in his So, so so, so, he had all quite this little affair that

that was all and then sure of nothing, and then, and as as I'm being,

I fronted because I wanted not that it parreise, and I would not that it

had to my career and what I had built to what I and what

what I had construed of me also, the little rest that I wanted

that he rest. So, Dominic, it has not do you know, it's not been a Psy, he has not been a therapist, in all this story there, he has just

opened his bra. And it's all all right. And you can't be completely with what you 've been to live.

And with my doubt also of we're both, we know, we're we're not after, it's not normal, and it's not

going to come platt long time, and we're not not new part, and it's not it's not, it's not the passion,

it's not it's not the time when you say, It's a It's a pretty It's a For a

There's been It's been It's a It's been Before I'm I'm going to I think it I'm in

I think It's pretty It's been And then We have Our children I mean We say,

We're We're We're You know, the You know, We've got We've been We're renovated,

We're renovated, We've been We've been We've been You know The life It's been Rich,

Yeah, But I've There's always the espess of little doubt of let's yon

it's not it's that? And finally well yeah what's

what's what's what's that's it's it's it's it's

it's it's it's it's it's you you also

you you're also I I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm

I'm you're the adrenaline the excitation, the newtay, I don't know, I'd say, it's not for anything that's my job, it's a lot, that

it's a lot of and to me feel alive, and to be saluted by these affairs, and to not be in routine, and, you know, the fear of the platitude. The fear of the platitude.

Yeah, the long, the light, the long fluff, tranquil. You know, so, so, so, so I'm so I'm telling

plat, she's at a little Mordy after-midy, I'm so much, I'm really, I'm, I mean, I'm sorry, I'm at the afternoon after mid, and I'm doing, and I'm

bad. It's not exciting, it's nothing past, but I'm like of the beatitude and of the serenity in my bin, you know, so. So, in a moment, I think, in the life, with the time, we learn that we can be a beautiful duality also,

and that's part of being in health. And you're good at the interior of you. Yeah, and in my bin. And in your morning, a morning, it's so.

No, but it's it's true that sometimes we think that it's great, and it's in the same,

and it's in often, that we're that we're and you know, and you know, I've heard of the

radio recently that's not a rapport but a little but a little kind of okay, I've got

an a psychologist or a psychiatrist at the radio that was the difficulty

that the people have and I'm can't maybe also to have there's a

time. I'm I'll have the two hands, I'm I'm in a new

work really to reduce that. For real I'm I'm in there,

I'm in it's extremely interesting because he talked obviously, obviously, those

on the brain when we're doing, and three things at the way, and two,

three things at the way, it can be being cooking in playing

on talking, or it can be doing, make, do jogging in

listening a ballado or it's it's, it's a little to do it to do

two, three things at a way. And I'm in my in my aspects of

being kind of when I'm think that when I'm really really really well, I'm really

a review or I'm a series on my iPad when I'm when I'm when I'm

when I'm when I'm text, or I'm saying what I'm my phone my lunette my iPad

on the tablet all, but I'm I've discovered the the thing that I'm able to

do have in it's in it even, without not to listen to

music. And it's only a plate, but in fact, it's going to

have the fun, it's making these cast-tete .

Marie-Claude I do do the cast-tete my ch'am said, my

friends also say that. When I I'm going my cast-teat I,

I tombe in the zone There's no that's it's called like the plain

conscience. It's you know you're looking you're in you're doing. I'm going to see this

titan that and it's all, I'm concentrated on that and it's all, I want to I don't

I'm even not, I'm not, I'm there's not, there's just there's like in a

little bit, and I'm like I'm a problem to show but when you're on the

radio I said, well, you know, it's, it's, it will really

to respond to to these zones neurologic who have been to be able to be able to

be able to it's a noncive but you do you do you do that two million

oh la la that's you've got you don't tapy and all that you

my chum has made a table a casse tate with the rebar

for not that the piece don't that this year we've over an upgrade

I'm going to have little cyroar to make the for make the colors to make the way of the

way of the I'm trying to I'm not in the coin I'm in the little number my little little moreso

in line I'm there those they go there I'm and what and what's and what

you do you do you do I'm sure I let's over I let's there on the table and I'm

and I'm content and I'm and I touch I touch I'm like it is beautiful it's fine it's pretty

it's fine it's quite I'm I'm content for two And at a moment I say, we'll defa-took-took-to-to-to-took. We'll put in a bozzy-ploc for not part of a bit of a morseau, and it's all.

But it procured a good-eatres. An appaisement imidient. I, to do you know, and I'm at least, at least, November, December, that I do you do with, when I'm in congey. You know, my projects, often, it's termine at the autumn, and I've got to do you, like, it's more than these projects, but I mean, it's more than these projects that are very preenant, with

a text and it's like a course of it's not that's like it's like it's like there's like

I think that's I think it's I think I think it's I'm a super beautiful castet that I've got I've got to

I'm actually I'm not but I'm not but I'm not but you know the good to make so to do you

do that to do that because it's exactly in that that I've been because my children in

and I think that's beautiful when you talk to that the respect of satisfaction to have completed the casse-theid and it's very that he comes

in a bubble. You do just that? It's extraordinary. But you know, my, my work that I have, it's to say,

okay, it's a don't nothing to do that, but it's not true that it does not really to make a

cause-ed that I'm to do you get to do that you go to go back to the part of the

performance to... Well, it's as to why I'm going to do this to do this

way it's to defar this notion there, to say, I'm going to say, I'm asking, what you do with? You're going to do with it. You're going to be in a Ziploc, and it's terminated. Your satisfaction, she'll be done what you've been to say. I'm saying, I'm going to do. I'm going to do. Because, you know, it's in 3D. It's not notary. And, and piled on a block legal, it's insupportable.

So, the other time, I'm going, my beau parrars, abid, in a residence for persons aged. And the other time, we're going to go, and there were, and there was a moreso of casse-thetech on the corridor. And there, my fee, no, but it's not possible. Imagine, there's someone, so we're going to go ahead andesif, and we've, and it's

on the wall, and it's very, that. Because we're saying, there's someone who will be afraid of fool, he could never finish his own. No, no, no, no, that's, it's point. So, we've made a rescue of a morceau of castleck. Bravo. Niveau. Niveau. Oh, it's interesting. It's

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nudity because the report has changed and it's a link with what we said on the

fact of the fact of to beaille but I'm I'm there's a very

great great very before there's that's there's there

before I'm before I'm I'm I'm compared to

I'm I had a puddard. I've never been very pudic but the nudity itself really, I'm to show

to someone. I thought that it was never to have not, I thought that I had not these asses

I thought that the face was too gross. You know, like I had these complex

and then before some years I'm I'm fisch completely and I'm very

happy of the car that I'm and it's a car that's

a part of a man that's a lot of a lot of other of the fun, and other

it's always that's that's this thing, that's this acceptation that? Probably

with the love, with my the love with my chom probably with

his eyes on on my also who seemed to find out that it was more

than what I had to what I had to you have to you see there's so

in the end of the end of 50s we're to be at crissed

to all and to what? You know, well, you know, that's what,

it's so that arrive before. We'd we'd like it's a time.

In the trantene, my God, we're in the flower of age, we're the more than you

know, or even in the 20thens but there's there's always something, I'm not for doing that,

I'm not to make that, I'm not probably not the generation actual of 20thner, I, I

think they're that's more than we're more than we in my family, and it's not too,

no, because when you're, social. There are a lot of filters. So,

these times they're going to be compared with the people who have to do they're

very complex this report that. I'd like it more this liberty there,

but it's like the standard are but it certainly exist not.

It's that's a standard in the women, the women, the

guys are going to be people, they're things are false.

There are a amount of authenticity incredible by about the image.

By Rappar to the image that we project, and these influencers that,

or influencers, will influence the young, I'm going to talk to something, because you're

a girl a girl, there's a year, for the mission, Mary Claude, I think,

I had made a topo on the dependents to the young, dependence on

video, and dependance to Instagram. And at the hospital the Rivier de Prairie, there

are a where they are really there for several years, like it's a

cur firmed. And I had had to see the young, the young of 18

young female, you know, dependent to Instagram, I don't honestly, I mean,

I mean, I mean, the game video, what's what it said, and there

I interviewed a young of six and she, she said, because she's because

I'm going to make to make the filters on me. And there I, I wanted

to me because what I'd didgage it, it's not what she was what we're doing.

It's not what I was. So, she had decided to have some of the injections, to use these products, to be in line that had changed her physiognomy. At 16-year.

Yes, exactly. And so, she'd be able to some money for some of the things that were not

to resemble. So, she set out of the house, and she had made a tentative to suicide. Because for

her, what she had offered, it had nothing to have anything of what she would be, and what the other

sattended because, well, she said, she said, she said, she said, she said,

she was in a cure for sure for, for s'clock and it was to say, how it was

going to do the danger of the resources, but we would say, I'd say, I've got that you,

it's not the one, there was there, there had been there this time that when I'm

when I'm after, I'm going, my feet, especially my more, and I'm trying to

the sensibilized to the Fos, and it's still, with the intelligence Articist, it's still more that today, that's 5 years, the real, the foe. And it's an issue that

the young have. So, I think there's like a notion where now we're maybe we're perhaps more of the car different, but they have,

you know, by a part of a kind of research, you know, when we talk the, how it's the, you know, the makeupage

that will refer the form of the visage, there's what I I mean, Yeah, not the contouring, the morph,

something, but we're always in, we're doing, we're doing, we're doing, but it's that we're

going to be in the base. Yeah. You see, I'm, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know,

but I'm not, I'm not the young of 20 years, there can't even, the image is fundamental, the image

that the other think, but it's a because of the radio social. But it rest that, I'm not,

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I think, to all the time, of all the societies,

of all the epoch, the rapport to the image has always been tordu because we're present to

those others. We want that the other people we know, we appreciate, we choose, we respect,

you know, I think, I think, that's all time it's exacerbed with the social.

I, what I think, the fun, it's at the age that we have, I, for the

right, I, I've been this socy, that, you know, in the

case, I'm in the way, in it's a moment, don't know, we're in a moment

on the way, we get to let's, at 25, 30 years, there was there's not question

that I don't makeyy for all to go to the panneur there, I'm not

not, I'm not quite if I was if I had a button there, my dear

that I'm that I'm that I'm Today, I mean, we, we're we, we're on we know, we're in with these etesual

blue or, you know, you know, these little, my friend called that, the pimple patch that we put on the buttons

that are that's little medicamentate or medicamenteus I mean, to attenue the button, but it's

always well that you're that, and that you assume? I, that I think that's a

fantastic. Yeah, and you know, I'm like also in one of my few, at a moment

to me, she, because at There's a school, there's one that had, like, more an issue, and they they said to say, and they said to be, well, I'm going to have, and then have, and then they said to what, we're doing, hey, you know what?

We're saying, you know, I'm going, at my time, we'd have never talked to this. Never of the life. That would have not been possible. There would have been an open to that. So, I thought that I'd love it, but I think that our young, it's a lot, because, you know, it can't have

a trait, that is kind of easy, it's to talk and perhaps also that the communication is more there

between the parents and the parents and the sure but it there's, there's these people

of 19, 30 205 years that's meant not to put, let's get, there's there's

no no no, no so I'm sometimes I'm sometimes, I'm sometimes,

I'm don't know today, I'm trying in all right in what I'm see,

you know, sometimes we're not some we're not not a What's what we do we do with what I'm just not, just a little sin, so it's not very grave.

But I'm not not, and I'm not, and I'm not, and I'm not, and I'm not, and I'm going to, and the people who are not content, well, they'll pass their way. They'll lookeroy. So, you know, even if it's not a 30-year, it's not a moment of a day, it's important, it's that when a moment of a day, and I think that when we arrive at this stage, we're it's a great influence for our young also. We're saying

we're able to see we're able to see that, we're both you know, you know, today, you know, you know, I'm wearing, you know, but in the same

time, it's a form of liberty, to have to be able to have to assume something, I don't know to be a contestater and say, I like that, I'm

so, I'm sorry, I'm like a foal. I'm so, I'm so, I'm that when I'm macke, and I adore to do my little ritual. You can't make

some of the cream, a shriem, a serum, mezen. Before the ban, that's, ah,

it's so. So, so, so, I don't know, I don't know to say, oh,

no, I mean, now, I'm not, I'm not who, I'm not who, I'm not

this, I'm not I'm not, I'm not, because I'm because I'm not even because I'm obliged,

but I'm there's ever enough enough of cream. It's fred I'm trying a consumerist of all these

little produce that, it's fred I'm afraid. I try to me defare of my love for the

beauty of the little when it's beautiful or the perfume that's awful. Oh,

it's very I'm afraid. You know, I mean, it's kind of what I would have rechercherche

in the name. The perfins, yeah, that I, oops, pardon,

but, no, the little little, the little those, it's so so beautiful

when you're all in when you're there, they're the definition of what what's what you can

do you think that and then you think, oh, that's it will be able to me find re-geny

but I'm not, I'm very at my age. But yeah, but all the case where I'm more

cute. But you know, what I'm to that, I'm sure, I'm sorry to that, you know,

I touch my car, I, you know, I think it's to take to take soin,

exactly, and it's sensual, I think, sensual, in the sense that we sense,

we can't Soin'ne to me, when I when I'm I'm in, you know, we're saying, you know, it's that, it's it's a good rapport with your

nudity. Oh, not the time. No. I'm more. I'm more. Oh, I, I see not,

I, you know, I, you know, I've got to be that people and they're to get to question, I'm saying, you know,

I'm saying, I mean, it's totally the fun. For real, the liberty to be, obviously, I'm not new,

at the middle of the place, I'm saying, I'm at my chum, but no, I'm saying it's a nudity who is like, you know, in a moment, but, but to feel, you know,

maybe with my chum, at least, let's say, maybe with my chum, at least, let's not capable to be deba, new, before him, let's on responding to a question, you know, it had, that I felt like I'm a bit

placed in mind, it felt a little dra, to catch that, or for cashing that, or for dissimuling that. And now, it's Pant-a-tut, pant-a-tut.

I'm badeau, I'm boughed, too-nue before my chum, and it's, it's free. It's because when you're

to get in the whole, yeah, it's liberator, to be a completely SWAT, to find someone

of other. And I'm saying, it's, it's, it's, I'm going to I'm going to

so, but, you know, probably at the top of, you know, in 3, 4, 12, 19 years, for perhaps

be a bit more fletre Every year. Every year that's every year actual. I'm at the top by the time.

So, you know, if I feel like that would be that's right, but if I'm not with the

mousse of the bath, and there's an eclarage an equerererable. The equerage,

it's to endorm to tested. But it's a It's a It's a part of that,

you know, to make a thing to have a way, to be more more, it's like a, I'm

there's like, it's like it, because we're always, because we're in amelation. Dernire

question, Ellen, the question opto-rezo. Oh. If you regard your life

at through the view of the little Ellen, what think they?

Um, It's it's it's both because it it's it's but the

little Ellen she'll her don't not that all these

dreams professional especially these dreams of women of mother

also I always I'm sure I wanted I'm that that's

all cocha and that so that's all present that

had not been a passade I think that's You understand You're still incarnate

Petit you were an actor incarnate who said What she wanted Yeah No I'm

I'm really I'm really I'm I'm sure And I I'm I'm sure And I'm

I'm profoundly reconnaisant Because really You know Also We're

make the choice, but you know, all the view that I'm

actually, it's totally exactly what I wanted and what I wanted, and what I

wanted. What? What's we'd be to say? That's continue?

That it continue? Thank Ellen. What beautiful and

magnificent I'm thank so I've talked because it's like It's like a Yeah, it's a lot

Yeah, it's been quite interpolled your response It's because Because now I'm going to listen, otherwise I'm

not able to talk about you That's it Yeah, no, but it's just I'll finish there on the

there's there's even There's even had been in the years where I was tanned to talked

to say, I thought that it had been said that had been to hear to hear the

people to hear of them even, I had I've got to understand other things,

of other discourse, something to me to make to make count to when we're

to talk we're talking, we're about what we're about the other in the same

time, we're about where we come, we're about where we go, we're

about what we're about what we're abim, we we're all that, and it's

for that that, he's made to have to have to have to have to

animation in my life, in plus of the co-the-cote of actress, I'm to make

to make to make a world, not just of their babbitt or their ego or

their, but of their life, of what they have in his eyes, and I'm

that I'm am in the plus. But it's totally important, seriously, that?

But it's that you do you do, to do you have made to your life,

it's extraordinary. I'm I'm to make in light, I'm I like to make

in light the human in all these states, when it's going to be when it's not a lot of

when it's we're the chance we're to be able to when we're people people, I'm going to

see you know to you know what you if we're going to talk to this project that but it's incredible

the fact that we see, it has resound to the life of someone of other

and then sometimes it makes it's like they're like they've been to understand something

or what you talked to of a relation more difficult, to say, there's a life after.

It's a that's been in the hope. Yes. What you've lived as a false couch,

you know, there also, it's, it's a part of your story, you'll be still

with that, it'll have been there's a life also after that. Yeah, so,

so, sometimes when it's not, and we listen, and we can't, and you

can't be talking, it's a pass, but it's, it's going, or it's of things that

that person who says, okay, I'm not too I'm not sure. Thank you. Thank you.

And continue to continue to continue to play, continue to be able to continue to be there. Thank you.

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