Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette - #150 - Nicole Bordeleau | Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette.

Episode Date: April 3, 2026

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She's she's in me, and as I said at the start at the this encounter

that. I'm the impression that we're to learn of things, although on his life,

but also on us. So I'm present it all right Nicole. Hello, Nicole. Hello, Marie-Claude.

Thank you to receive. I'm content to be there. Well, also, because I see always like expert,

on Mariclob or in the events, I've received often at the TV, but there I see the woman,

Nicole. Tell me, how you? I go very, I'm very, I'm very. I'm,

first, I'm, I'm sure I'm in a good for the moment, it's in it's like

that I'm like I'm because I know that I'm playing to change but I'm doing it's

there's there's always there's always there's always there's a little bit of a core human

and you're an spirit human and you're at a 72 hours he'll have

a little thing a little a little a little a little bobo here and

it's just to remember that you live but I'm but I'm so it's

a beautiful It's beautiful to to be able to be in a beautiful to be in a time in a point,

I'm saying my point in the point in the thing that's it's a terrain that's a thing that me is a

realeus and that I want to define by me because there there are people who

say, I'm trying when you get rid of there, you go to be like,

let's be my experience my experience, let's me redefine what's what's

what's signify for more because to some I've never thought I'm going to

I'm trying to because I received a diagnosis of a malady chronic at the time that was

that's fatal so today to be there at 68 print-tain I'm my 68th springt

I'm I'm in year and it's a cycle and it's an cycle that's a

destabilise that me questiones but that me mervee also And I don't know what I'm attend to,

but I'd be able to redefine for me how I'm going to and how I'm doing it? Do you, to age, to be it? It's interesting that you me

pose the question because I'm interrogated there on the last week. And the word that is liberty.

I have a more great liberty. I think that I, in the in the years I've seen

the fatigue of my will-wloor to be able to learn to learn to learn to know that,

willer mackrised tell or tell things, want to be different and to be better better more calm and be more

more zen to beloor constantly I have an impression that my life had been made

to want and that even the word is fatigued you're not able to When I've got to hear you. When I resented the fatigue of

my willower, there's like something that's come back. I'm feeling more liberal. I've got the impression that when you have been used, in a lot of course, I'm compared much more to other, because there's a lot, there are a lot more people who are

more people more than than to compare. So, I've got a tendency to compare. That's it makes a great liberty. I've put to do all the envy and the need to play to who any of who it, because it's finished. The time of the seduction and to I'm

I'm I'm a sclough of my appearance I accept to get I'm my rite

I see my hair my white, I mean not say I'm all I'm I'm

but I'm accept more more more liberty and I think a

more sense of the humor I'm to arrive to do what you

do more desperer there. There's like a lachaprised in what I can't. Is that you could say that

also? You can't you abandon to something? You let's go to get the things? I don't know

if I'm let's all the things because I keep to my body, of my health,

of my body, I'm still still, I'm passionate by my meditation, the chigong,

the yoga, the alimentation, all the all the life, and vibrant. But the world exterior,

we're like, you let's cool the much. Oh, yeah, more, yeah,

it's a matter. So, it's a great, definition. Well, in the case, for the moment, for the moment,

it's a and then I'm a virgul at the end of end up. But, but it's that change?

Absolutely. Is that is ready to open to open to open? Oh, yeah. Niveau,

Nica, so are of the questions of general. This game is for you, you're going to

start with. We'll get to find the same questions often in different in different in different

questions, but not this this mix of question, this question that is really

for you, the question jones, it's an more specific to your story. The

level rose, it's specific to your but the few, we're in some

different in the different, the level eros, it's is

sensuality, sexuality. We have the question OptoRezo, which is the question that's a question that often it's a question

plus a regard on his life. Oh. We pose a regard on his life and you're a joker. If you try you try it's a question

that's going to that's impleck, and you don't want to continue, you depose your Joker and we pass to an other question. Oh,

well, that's it's all right. So, it's so me convoying. So, you can bracer the cards on the table because they

are gross, you will me you will Don't give five cards. I'll give you

I'll give you to give to give to I'm I'll let you read

I'm I'll I'll let's be you're you're you're you're

to ask a question to and after I'm to ask a question

to be the question. So, so you regard of other, which place you

can't have a difference in your on the trait of character

had you have you have you and what you're doing and what were you? Oh,

well, what's important to have to regard as others, we've talked about, so,

so, well, well, I'm, who's, that's, that means, that makes,

it's a bit more, I'm, I'm going with this that. What

kind of of the child of were you too? Oh, But I was an an infant

inquiette. It's it I'm too. Yes, I'm an infant the more

that I remember, I was an an infant who was going to what's

going to be going to I'm remember that I'm and that my son and that

my sister dormed and I know I'm an child in an

I was an infant inquiette. I was an infant who were in security in where there were silence. The bibliotheque, I adored the

bibliotheque. And when I arrived with my uniform and my little card of a bibliotech, I was like a guerriard,

like someone who did a revolution, who arrived with his card of member, in any case, it had, it had,

it had, it was, it would be a lot of power, and of confidence, and I'd

read. Even these books, that I'd I'd go I'd plunge in a book and I'd

feel in security I remember of my first book that's the malar of Sophie, the Contest

of Seguer and then we're return at a time very, very long and I

and I had, because I started just to read. But I adored the bibliote

and I got to and I got to in Abitibi and at a moment done,

we've demanaged several we, we've demanaged 17 times. My

My father was transferred. I've lived in these reserves at Clova, at Sanmore, when I was when I was little petite, because my father worked on the telegraph for the Canadian National, and we had demenaged a little everywhere. But at a moment of any, we've

been in a little village, where, on the school, I'd pass it before the church, and I'd go to the church when there were person. And there, when I'd enter there, the silence, because at us, it's chri-ed. So the silence, the vastitude of the platform,

the crackment of the boasery, the perfume of Nanceant. And I was secretly amourous of an religious of a religious who's that she called Sir Nicole in

plus. And I would always she was to pass her because she was round like a

she was round she was round she had her way again. And when she had passed in

the day her she's like oh my God that's what I'm

my an endroarque, which is calm, who is silencio, and is peace, and what I'm

seeing in a child, it's a peace, it's a quietude that I saw that

I'm in any of the person, she's like, when she , she's going to serve,

you're a great question. Oh, my question, yeah, I'm sorry, Mary Claude, a man,

so, so it was the anxiety? Not, the anxiety. Not, you're not, but

what's you're asking, but what's, I'm I'm inquieted because I'm worried because I felt

that my mother was a I'm sorry I'm not I'm not I'm able to mention it

at this time but my my dad had some my parents so you so you didn't know

it's not the pay that you rechercherche this silence that you see that you search a silence

is that you had not a but it's was agitated so it's not just a It was a

It was an It was imprisible It was uncertain It's a question It's quite It was impossible We never At what I'm

At the time Myrower It was to Petting the Pets it Was it At that you To have

To make To make a Perk To get a It's It's a It's really That you

I prayed I'm I always I always There was something There was There was

There was There's There's No I'm But I demand I'd asked to

be able to be the next the night of morning I'm in to be able to get to get to be

to be able to I'm in I'm never, at some I'm in some of the years after I've continued

to demand to the aid and it's it's interesting because when I think to all this I'm

back, but some years later, this ambience that, this atmosphere that,

of silence, of the wood that crack, of visage I'm dispisible, I will re-truvary because I'll

find a studio of yoga. And there, I see at what the little girl in my had realized

what she wanted. She wanted to live in an environment like that. It's never

quitted. It's still there is still there is a living. Is that is a

thing? Do you? I'd really like that, but I had also a little little

very strict. And I was atterated by the danger. So when I'm given, at the beginning, atollecent, all the time

was interdied me, he said the word in my head, there's an extencel. So, I had this

duality, that, of an infant, of an child who would be a sage

for not be put in, but also of a little tree that was curious and and that

were atter by the danger. There had, I had, I remember, a little at the exterior of the city where we lived, what we had called at the time, the bunker of the motor.

She was it defended, so. So, I had not the right to go with my bicyclette around the bunker of the motor, and I had not the right to go to an place that was for the Tewan. My father me had defended

these two places. The two were. The two were. The two were. The two, me attire. I wanted. I wanted to see. why it's intertied.

Because, you know, when you say I had the little girl, but in the same time, it's like exterior to you. You're inquiette because you were

in a milieu instable. Maybe that you would have been if you'd in a little calm. Maybe,

it's true, it's true, it's right. It's like if this little little she, she

was like, when the other was like your interior that was more rebel, your nature was more

She was a beautiful. And it's for that, perhaps, at the church, at the bibliotheque, at the school, I'd adorate at the school.

I was afraid. Because it was previsible. And when when you were the vacancies I was too, I was

the only that was the sad, that was the class? And is to have just a son? No,

we're, we're, we're, we're, we're not four, so my father and my

mother, so my mother had been in-since, At the time, they were not married, and my mother had done a license to a guy on the 28 September

156. And at the time, they had due done an infant in adoption. So they were married in December of the same

year, and I'm born the 28 September 1957, the same day than he. So, my father

had thought that it was to him to say, it was to my mother also his chagrin,

because When it was my anniversary, it was also the anniversary of my brother who had been in adoption, that she was found, that she was re-en-nought. So, Francois is born, I'm the second. I'm going as being the most viege of the family, which was not the first of the same. And I'm a son and a friend.

And at what you've seen that you had a friend? 35 years. I had 35 years. Yes. What's that you've done, to learn, In a On a One

it's I'm totally Because I That's not I'm not That's not Because you You know,

You sense at your anniversary That's That your And that Your mother And you You say,

But you're You know, You know, So, D's years After, I'm After, I'm

That, No, It's not I'm There were There There's That my

Purt You know, and it's much more rigid and and a much more very hard with

it was a there always there's always there's always of this gesture that. There's always been to be able to the society, we

guard this infant. He's on has been all of his life. So, on a

part, it's a other other I'm I've lived

a man I've because he was the last you're the the most you're the way,

you're the you're the few you've got to So it's it's it's jotted

in the family a moment of turbulence a moment because he is revenu he's

revenu my mother my mare their metroving at the movement of the

movement of the movement of so it's it's troubling Marri

Cla because because it's me who's I'm going to

look and there you there's there someone who someone who

has the physiognomy a bit of your friend, your brain, and your brain,

and your brain, and your know, that's a moment that is a trouble

really, it's a trouble. And for him, I imagine. It's totally

also. He discover two two two two two,

a friend, of his parents. Nays of the same man

also. Yeah. Yeah. So, I think that, it has contributed to

my inquietude when you You're trying When you're When you're You're You're very sensible So you're able to

You're quite There's always There was in filigrant Aon And a malise Aise, a tristess Yes, exactly A man,

A mank, a void A mank A void to combed Yeah, and You could not Comble this All that, No, no

No, no, It's possible So, So, you're not Devenue And, And, Sir, Nicole,

is that You've seen it Have you After? No. I never, I never I never forget.

I never because she she has, she never said, but she made, with the

eyes of the old I'm seeing what, it's what, a visage a faceable, a visage that's calm.

And when she had always, I said, she said, she's always, she's, where is she

go, I'm going there, I'm going, I'm going to go to go to the world

interior, I imagine. Exactly. Or it's it's just, it's tranquil, Yeah, exactly. And so,

a little little girl inquiette, but we're like your whole your life has tried to have come to

this infant, you know, I'm trying also, because I had a grand-mer, a grandma who was

autodidate, who was invented, the day on the night, coafeuse, cuturier,

chapeleer, and who was opened to the world of the mode. My grand mother,

my grand-mer, she'd I was I was going to go to the pharmacy. I had maybe 8, 9, 9, and she said, go, me search, rouge vermilion, of Garrow. That's his own, so rooselle. She was over to all this monde. And in Abitibi, she was

a magazine, Mode of Paris, but three months after all the world. But we had, and she said, that's Dior. That's Balancheaga, that's Chanel. And she had me opened, to all this month. They said, a tafta. A, Nicole,

it's a tissue, that's a little like your Rice Krispies, it's a little same song than your cereal. Hey,

my, my own my own she was, she was very much, she's known like that

she was, she said, she was right. She was her old at the time, stylis. So,

it was your grandma. It was my grandmair. Yeah, my grandmair, who was, who was,

who was a feminist, who was not a grandmother like she had a part of a pantal

, the ch' the red, the ruse red, the ruse, she, she,

And she, I think, at 40 years, she had marion an alcoholic, who was the father of my father, you know, dependance, and of generation to generation, very often, she had vied all the mebbs of her salon,

because it's opened a salon of coiffure, and she was a new, she became chappellier, and, no, it was extraordinary. She had me

to be possible. It was the chant of all the possible. It's a fool, that, this person that's been markant in your life?

I'll choose a question. You're going to rest. We'll have to choose one. Atten. On what trait of character has you due to have you done to

work? The cholera. Yeah. The choler because I'm I'm really, very,

really refouled. Infant, I'm going to be too refueled. I had not a way to

exteriorize, not to the exprimed, not of the way to the canalice.

So, more time when you're when it's my young my young years of adult, I

were not out of course I had in me a rage that was that was transformed

sometimes in a rage to live a a a color that me pushed

to go to that I could be at my detriment also

but a a colar that it's turned against

me that when we can't not to be the cholera

is something of noble it's a signify that's been to trespass something a color

that's defends it defends all the parties of the two parts of the most the people

when you can't you can not verbalize she can't she's refuel

she's refuel and she refuel and I she's turned against me

so it's a coler autodestructress who has to express in the

dependence. It was a way to express my color. At what age

has been in your life in your life, but honestly, now,

today with the recul I can see it a decision that I have taken. I'm

decided very young I'm I'm not, I'm remember not I'm

because my grandp was a alcoholic calm, sage, not an

alcoholic that was, you bonass, we could do everything he'd be able to and he'd bevue and he'd

caches a little everywhere. And I was young, I'd ramped in the galleries, I had in the cabanons, I'd

and I'd he'd be over at about about about 10 years, I'd be revonded his d'nus he'd say,

I'll let's say, I'm gonna give me some, and then he'd me don't know some,

and I'd give me to my cousin to he'd to get me to get to my cigarette.

I had 10 years, I had my little commerce. You had your resume. But in seeing my father and my grandparent, I said,

I'm saying, I'm not the alcohol. I'm sure that I'm not there. It's a cause too of, too,

of damage, and it's, it's too easy. But, we'd say that I said,

that I had the genn in my, the first that I had consumed, I was

at Provincown in States United. I was supposed to be there for a weekend. I'm going to go to get with these amy. It's the first

time I've seen the Mary, Mark Lodd. Oh, my God. When I saw, I've seen the mer, the vertige it's been

at the time an experience spiritual, immense. I was completely emervvaryed, estomacheed, but I

also knew that I had to I was to rest there and that it was a very bad choice. We'd say that at at the same

moment, the life said there's two voys, there an immensity of the mare, and all the

is possible, all what is to come, and I, I've taken the other chemine,

so the first time I consumed, I consumed because I had done two or three chiff

defiled in a bar where I had, yes, no, don't no bathroom. It's all That I said, so you

were that you'd say, so you'd start to speak the English. And there's someone who said, ah, you're looking to have fatigued, I said, well, she said,

I'm just push it, push it, a little packet, I had a little packet, I said, what's it,

what's going to do, it, it's farra that will be that will be that's all the bar of alcohol

behind me. I'm bartender, I see what the alcohol did, she says, she'll be that,

it'll be, it's bad, that, it's not I mean, I knew pretty that it that's

that's that I would have been to be to make a very bad decision.

So, it's been a dependence short, short, five years,

but intense. And it's an dependence that's a deep profound, I'm so much

I've left my paw. And today, um, sometimes the people

people say, ah, the life no, it's can't a fill. but I can

you can tell Mark Glow by experience the life not just a soul a suffle a suffle

because when you consume at that your that your that you know if you know if you

know you're going to you realize you realize that you realize that so so I've

had very very fear I've very and it's that the prayer

me saved It's there. I'm I remember very well because the mantra

of the dependents is the next time. The next time I'd not a time I'd not be so

the next time I'm friday the next time you count always on the time in the

dependence which justifies a bit this this way yeah and it you can't

you get the that you're not sure because it's a lot of had a lot consumed,

much too consumed, and with, with, with, with, in a

way, it was much more intense than the manner than the ,

I'm, I'm went to the clinic, because I was really, I was,

really, and the medicine, it's per me, and he said,

there will be a time, he'll be that, I've seen, I've seen, so I

continued, or so, but, in fact, you think, it's, the,

The death. It was the end. It was the end. It was the end. Yeah. I'm out of the clinic. And for the first time, I don't know why, I saw why, I heard some

I've heard of the kids. I've seen the nuage in the sky. I've seen the nuisance. I've had like a moment of plain conscience, and I've given the sky, and I said, if you've done the chance to me reinvented, I'll do it. I'll see how I will it do.

But I'm going to to reprint at zero. That's what I've done. What's your time? How can you call it that that

that's made? Yes. It's anver to who? Because there it's a force for continuing. Because it's

pretty easy to abandoning. Telling. Telling. By I mean, by contrast, I do

I'm accorded that I had made a promise. When I had commenced, I had a grand

amy a man, I had a promise in the mirror, never you never you never you, you know,

because it's the end, that I said that for me that's right, that's never you toucher an

eggue, I've been my promise. So, so that, I could me, I'm put

on you, to know, at some at some Not not much, but I had

to be my promise. I've had been new my promise. And some years later,

when I had contracted the hepatitis, the first medicament that will be offered will be

by way of injection. And my car has rejected. The promise has been

for the better and for the poor and for the problem that you've been

not put to know no, no, the promise has done but

it's can can't It's a big of you know, to say, you know, it's

a little clue of a little little bit of me, and you've put this way,

and you've after that, you said, you've not consummated, you've continued? No, I've had

a rechute. And that for me, a, for me, a rechute has been worse than the five years

of the five years, I've had a recute in 1989, in December 89,

I remember always. And when you have a rechute, you know the chemain. For you

to get the whole the suffering to happen. I'm I'm and it's like you make

all your aviards on table and you say, I'll I'll have a risk

at a casino a night I'm I'm my whole my life

on and many times a rechute it's a It's the worse.

In other for me, it's been the worst thing. The worst thing was a result of

that's a moment that, what he was saved that was my chien.

Paloma. She had had a need to get, she had a that I

had been that I know, she was going to she got to she

could make she she she was she's she had been

the need I'm out of her and when I'm going to when I'm going to be able to all the time

the drug was parted all the people were that I'm returned in the mirror, that I'm made a other

promise, more never, and I just me just me turned to turn to my chien and I said look me,

no, never, I've been my promise. Is that you're very when you talk to

that? I'm I'm sure and I am, I'm certainly all Fierre

in that little she, that has no need to be able to

be able to be worried. She's that they can be me make a confidence.

And that had attenue your your power? Ah, yes,

because I've could it's been express I've could find

some the tools to it to to go, to

see, these traumatism that, these moments to go, to

go visit and be able to be able to be being exprimed that, to be heard by someone and,

oh, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a time to

get to get to to get to the dependence also. Yes, because there, there's a,

there's a line between the two. Yes. And the malady has been, for me,

a grand enseigant. She, she, she, at genoo, at genoo, at genoo,

but, you, The disease is non-negotiable, it's a, it's a professor who, I didn't know how many times I was for being a lot. So, I've been 10 years to get the virus, the hepatitis, without symptoms. But when the symptoms were re-weighed, I had already 10 years to be able to, so it's been fulgurant. So the malady me has imposed these choices.

I've had to put my priorities in order, to make the tree in my valour, And if I'd pass it a little my limit the landmend my she'd be presented the facture

because she she's a professor non-negotiable so I'm very much had to be at the

traversing that, I'm I'm trying to be to say I was at salue

good at the time when I received the and I turn

long and where the hepatit Cid the Cidate the

were the last malady that you would there had there

there had a stigma We said it was the malady of the toxicomannes, of the prostitue. It was terrible

to porte and there was there was there's been that I'd have been in my life, we didn't know

how much I was able to get a not, a chance that we didn't know, because I

know if I had been been able to have been 30 years? 10 years, then, then you've been

the treatment, it was about 15 years that I had the the treatment, the treatment had been devastating

I've lost a lot, that I've never repried and it's really a devastating

for my car. And then I've got to attend a generation of molecules that's

arrived in 2015. So it was quite a good moment that I had.

And there presentment that it's well, yeah, she's she,

she, she's, for me to remember but, yes, it's a it's a miracle

it's a miracle it's a miracle and that I'm not for at who? Because I remember at a moment

there, there's a time when I had announced my gerison and she

could not believe I can't believe to get it, and my married and my married on my wife

you say, okay yeah so it's of a garrison that I'm assured to merit plainly.

But the day when you knew that's that's a lot of because that I imagine it's a

person who had announced that after after the test you've you're react how you know what

you know that's you know when he's that he's presented the new generation

of the new I said no I've been too I've been

totally malade of the other treatment, and I'm I was just I felt quite because

I had discovered the yoga, I had discovered the chigong, the meditation.

I felt that my terrain, the life of was quite quite

safe, I wanted not, I'd not say, I'd say, well, I'd say,

we'll see what he will get in back. Then finally, I'm

I'm really, but the virus had really had really to make many

times, and he said, we're not the choice. You've to go

there. And then I'm and I'm, you know, it's a pillule that you're

that's a time that's not a mnm, it's it's difficult to, but I'm

all to orchestrated a ritual for secure my car. So, before to consume the pillule,

I'd a march at the exterior, I'd I'd the world, I'd

feel, there was a chan sacri, that, that was a companyed that

I had the impression to not be alone and I'm talking to all of all but there's an element

essential that I'm not not just I'm not talking about it's that I'm with the

great amour of my life and that's my garrison well before the

medication Ellen has been my careison to all the physical

physical emotional energetic and spiritual it's her my

gerisant it's a beautiful testimony. It's a very, I'm very,

I'm really, I'm sure, 134 years, 34 years. It's a long bit of a long bit of

a time. Yes, yes. It's the moot of my life. Well, we're not

a lot of 34 in a life in a life active. Yeah. Nive yellow jone

Nicole. You de bra, you're on four. I'm I'm talking longment,

well, it's so, if you're so, it's it's like so, it's like

limit. One, two, three, oh, she, the card to par,

oh, you know, what kind of type of amourous are you? What trait of

character has you her to have your part? How the relation

with the money, your relationship with the money has to

have been to and what is the great that you have

to be to be to the one the most the most

great of the first that I've had that's to me give

the chance and the tool to go to go to find in the profounder

to my inconsiant. Because it was already 30 years I meditated. So I

had a good work of my attention, my concentration,

the calm of my spirit, I had the yoga for my soul

for my car, I had the chigong, I had all these

out of this out of tool that, and I persisted to live these cochemists, of the terror nocturned. For a reason that I ignored, my inconsiant in the night, me remaned at these periods in saying, oh, but it's

beau that you want to continue, it's worth, that you want your first foot, but you're there's this to revisit, and there would this, also, who demand your attention, so all what's in the profounder of the inconsiant. And my more great

defy it's been to find someone who could me help to work to work in

my inconsiant so I'm going to see how much to the psychotherapy and there it's not

really actually, and there's a man who I'm saying, I'm not I'm not that I'm

so I'm doing an analysis, a psychanalys there's two years, and that's my

big deal, again. You're there there's just two years. Two years is the long.

It's very, very, very long. It's long. And for me, I'll talk to my experience at me, it's made discover some

the part of me that I had completely oblique, completely oblique, the parts of which I

don't know I don't subsonet not the existence. Some the memoir traumatic also that remand,

but also some moments, these moments, of bonoer, of joy, of emmerveement that But maybe, oh, my God, you know, you've

you've got to be able to and all the inconsiant. It's all the rear-sene of who you are, because you can't work your image, your appearance, accumulating these diplomas,

of the knowledge, of their relations, all that, that's all, it's all in front-sene. But in the back-sene

and in the foundation of who you are, what's he gie there? You know, he said, in the

profounder, in the subterrain, of who we are, what's what I do. And it's a privilege that I have to be able to do. It's not, to know, I'm not, I'm sure, because it's a demand of time,

and it's an investment. There are some people who are many people who are and I've put these sous there to go to voyage and to these investir on this work. You've talked to terror

nocturn? Is, is you have been, do you have been in saying that could be be the terror nocturn? Oh, but...

It's not in the sense No, not not fear to doorme because I have always been able to be in

dorms but it are the chocemort of the children who are in little to

little transformed in other chochemar and who me have almost

the entire of my existence and they were it's

some your non-consiant you talk to the people

it were there I'm there I'm so I'm

so it has been how you do it's a two years that's a question of your

practice but it's it took to say I do you know to say I do you know to find out of

it. Oh, it's arrived during the pandemic. During the pandemic, like all everyone,

I've been put up and made in face to, it's what the essential presentment?

How you want to continue? How do with, you kind of of baggage you want

to let's what you ressemble plus. The the more a good cardo that I could offer you

could be able to maybe to be able to make sure that because I'm doing because I'm too little bit because someone can't help me

and then I've got to find out of and a moment of a moment of the day that's a moment of

that's the thing that's you view that like these chocemort because the images more they

get people they're they're not heard because they're maybe you can find someone who can

can't to go to see what signify these symbols. It's the most great challenge of my life. Is it to bring the courage

for doing that? I'm on demand. It's a man demand. It's, it's, you know, I think,

more we're maybe more, but I've been just two years. And I've chosen the formula divan. So I'm

ones on a divan two times a week during two hours, and I'll let my inconsient

to say. And, And sometimes I'm like enervoyed and the times I'm terrorized and some of the

whole lot of the game of emotions because it's a discourse that is not the word that not the

it's a great defeat for me. I'll say something, Nicole, I think that, it's perhaps

not the good word but it's fascinating, I'm going to say the word fascinating

what you're because I'm sure there are there's people who will think, like me,

when I when I'm when I'm the calm, it's the zen. The Zen like the

Buddhismism Zen, you know, I'm not, this, I don't know this this

this question of you, this way, this way, I'm saying, I'd like,

I'd like, I'd be a time, I'm sure, I'm not so much

I'm too before, and there, you're there's something, I'm,

I don't, I'm how to say, it's amazing, of the time of the time of the, of the time, we can be like

and have some absolutely. It's because when we, if I'm, if I'm, if I'd say, I'd like to be in

peace, completely in peace. But it's not that. What you are, it's not completely in peace.

Oh, no. It's, you're doing on you, but it's interesting because I think that it

will open the eyes to people, to understand, to understand that in a chominement to be in

a long galene. It's not because you're not because we're doing the meditation, that we're doing the

chikong, that we're getting to at the own never, Mariclo. I'll

to tell you to tell you to get to an article, I'm in a conference with a moan Buddhist

that I adore and that I respect a and who arrived at Montreal, and then he was on the decalage orer

and all that, and just before the conference, we had a last interview with a young journalist was not preet. And I was

at the end of him, and I saw a clear of impatience passed in these eyes, and I mean, there an effort

for me. But the year, the year following, we repran the same formule,

and again once, he's going, and there I look with with hope for the impatience in his

eyes on the irritant, zero. I said, oh, there's an there's a there's a

idea of the thing, that's what I'm that's what I'm saying, there's what I'm saying, but it's

we can be good and even, and even, there's some, domber, domber,

oh, tell, the part of ombr, absolutely, but all the world, there's not

the light, there's But it's because that's because sometimes we're trying to

to to end these zones of the times sometimes we try to

it's to be and they make sure that it has been part of me

and it's often it's that that that the key of our

interior and the key of our creativity and that they say

come back me and know me honor me because

they have served to something. They they've forged

so much. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. It's fascinating. It's long time

that I've not seen someone who debuts an because that it's a year and

of the years of the quatt. Yeah, it's not you think you

think. No. It's not a way, but it's a gift, but it's a

to learn to to learn and to to understand. Because you

much more the other and you arrive to get to you're

to get to you're to get to have you have to your own to do you see what

I'm much I'm in more than I'm in the long as I'm

much I know I'm and I'm I'm I'm and for year

it's with her that I want with her that I want continue

so so in the sense that I'm I'm sure

that What kind of of amourous are you? I don't if it's maybe it would be

maybe it's maybe it's about this question. Is it romantic? Is it your language of the

love? Well, first I have a vision of a couple. A couple for me

is a triangle. There's Ellen, there Nicole and there a couple. If I'm I'm going

mal, it's not necessarily Ellen who can me or who, you know, who who he

do me reassure, me reconforte, and vice and versa. But if the couple

go bad, you have to be all the two at so that's really important for me. Is that

the couple that's the couple that is me personally? Because we are very fusionel,

we're we pass much, long, we're together on, we're doing

we're doing we're doing, we're very, we're so it's important that we

distinction, and we're different. I'm more in the silence, in the contemplation, the meditation, and Ellen Picoball, and she, she, she, she, she, she, is different. She's different. She's a

woman. I'm sure to say, and to resentire, and to be sure every day that I'm. I'm not for what what she does. I'm for who she is.

I respect. I have so of respect for the human that she is. Then I

talk to that and you're not to be in that we enter in an air

or the homophobia. I'm I'm part of the people who have profited

of these women who have marched for the rights of the women.

The women who have marched for the rights of the women,

we've opened the door to homosexuals who are going to do the women's

on the women's people who have to get to the right. We're

out of the horde, we're out of exclusion, the reject, and

and there, there, there, there's, there, something something that something that

can be that, it's, it's, it's, it's not acquies these

women, not for the women, So I'm sure that we rest Fier,

she's not, that we're a great part of the people who get to 99% of people are

they're people are heterosexual of the people who have any notion of yoga or meditation they've been

to say they've seen a salue they're all they're going to they're what they're what they're

what they're acceptation, it's it's a it's a true. So I am a marriage

that we know that we're that we're a new that's different of the

and that now it's possible that we know that that's important that our

couple be solid I'm a amoreous I'm a I'm

a more a more an more I think I'm I'm

all what she can she can she she

is So, I've I feel I'm I'm in and I'm for

to be more affectuous with her she's very, she's very affectuous she has a

kind of like you, so we're so we're so we're so we're getting to get

to make to get to it's all the part of your life. I'm

I'm a pietre cuisineier so so I'm so I'm so I'm there

there's some I'm there's try to be better in the things that she like she makes more to be able to be able to

do it. But it's a long way and I'm the march mentally of the orator to know,

to have encountered the grand love who that's the grand, grand, great,

grand am the who's who has who did the first part? Well,

I don't I don't I'm didn't even known because she had

in It's a Sonia Benezra, the directories musical of Richard Sagan, the furorah. So, she was already known. I was taught.

I was taught. I'm saying the mode of college, the world a little different. It's an amy who has, who, who, who has presented,

and the first when we got got to talk, we got many people, I had some with me, she had an

other friends with her, it was, it was like two universe that, that, that,

that, they, they, they, they, three months later, there was a friend

that, she had a woman, and she said, I can't get to make Chloe to make Chloe to make

Chloe, who had seven at the time at the time, at the senior Benezra, pardon.

So I'm going there, and I've seen Elene. I've seen in his element. I've seen

the musician, I've seen how they'd know how they had seen his creativity, his life,

her life, her stupure, I've seen, but I I've seen like it's like it's like it

like I'm like I've never seen like it like it was part of my way,

like we have had to be I'm never to get to the amitia or at

the love but she would have part of my life I

had I've I've had been a very very very very

very but passionately oh my my God an love a passionate

and And two years later, I'd be diagnosed with the hepatitis. And there, she had to you're not

obliged to rest you, you're not obliged because I'm not sure, to what it has been to be able to

get to be quite a bad, you're not obliged to resty. She's always there. Always

there. She's there had been there at each rendezvous. Each rendezvous, Mariclowe.

I've never seen a medicine without Ellen. because you know, you know, you don't have no reason to say,

I'm going to say, I'm going to make sure because of the sometimes I'm too nervous or too yeah.

So, that's a great story of love. A great story of love. At the level Ruge, there are

four, you're not three, you'll respond to a one level on level of Ruge.

What is your relation with the life? What is the foe have you

negligent certain aspects of your way. Oh, it's all you have you have you

have you have you have you yeah I'm not I'm just to justify

but I have done to do I've renounced I've voluntarily

to to a a a a many to

be able to to be plonged in my studies

in my practice of meditation of yoga, the chigong, I'm

pretty autodidate in the so, there's that I've felt like that I'm made

these aspects, the amitiers that I neglected, some of vacants, that I

did, no, because I had some formations. Yes, I neglected

certain aspects of my life, um, these aspects that had been, could be,

could be, could to be to be to enrich my daily but I

have a a tell a tell a tell question to pursue my quest

spiritual for me for me it's something that's something that's

something that's something that I'm to to be to my

assort with me in silence to to mace with the with the power, to

to maceace with the to me asker with the insomnia, to massau to msour

with me and to do you know how function the servo, how it's what's the energy of

the body, how's how working with my soul? Because I wanted to share that also with

the people. It's that that's that I'm animated the plus, to partage that with

the people. There's it's been that I understand. It's also, it's

reason also, passion, what you you just, you know, because, you know, by passion, when we have a passion, we have a passion, we

have to pass other things. Yeah, for letting the place. And, in, you know, there's like a garrison in this

passion that. A great garrison in this passion that. Yes. And, a grand

garrison in this passion there, and is come, the critur, you know, who,

that, you, that I, also, I've wanted to work, to work the art of to write,

work my writing, to be able to be able to be able to get able to get able to get back

the word for the prisoners, find the vocabulary for the people in CHSLD, find the

vocabulary for for, for these companies, for these, to find a vocabulary that can

be able to get used to the other. So, I've passed much,

much, of time to try, to poofin, all that, and I regrette a little

enriching what it's so that you've published in many many several books, is what the

commenter that you receive that you we're we're we can, when you

can you when you're when you're going to you know, the people will say, ah,

it's a that's so I'm says, all the piece, the title, it's

I'll say it people say, oh, all the pass, what's what you want to do you

think, it's a contrary, it's hard, it's hard and all that. And when

I'm assu with them to express what it means, it's not to say, there's

there's there's there's, no, it's that's that's that's

that all they're they're I'm they're to be my experience.

You know, when I say, the so the not the respiration, I you talk about your

soul. You know, the suffice that anime your power, the suffolk your gestures, the soul that's the soul

that your life keeps to the soul there. And there Kabyr the grand poet Marie Klaus

to who is the divine? And he he said this phrase that I medit from the years that

I've medited to the end of my years, so it's the divine, it's the divine,

it's the soul in the soffle so I'm trying to try to try to

when I'm aso or when I'm not or when I practice the chigang I'm

trying to try to try to find the soul in the world that

dance yes but that you're that you're pretty absolutely you know

to like to be to get to get to this recueement this

need of silence. Monaster. Yes. Oh, yeah. It's a quest for

always in your life. And the fact that you've lived in the force to do the force to write.

And it does that for you know, we see, we feel your convictions profound,

we're your faith, you know, there's there's there there's

there in this world, and what you can, you do you do this,

because you said, well, I've got I've got a mon buddice. Is there

there's there's there's a question of there's on on the oh my

God, the prison of Bordeaux. The prison of Bordeaux, when I was like I can't

not believe that it's a world at the world when the door to be

on the prison of Bordeau you, you're to hear the the gross border of

metal that's you know it's it's a man and in arriving at

the prison of all this that of metal all that you know I'm a remember that

it's in the chapel where I was to learn to meditation and then the partage

of my experience and there there were around 70 prisonier and a

moment there there's an man there's there had to be

reinvented which is a little that I put and I have

the chefe black on this little but he had I had found a photo, Mary Claude,

in a magazine that had decouped, and he had made with the hair with the art of to re-invented, and he'd

get back that. Oh, I, I sure, the genus, my knee, it's a really,

it's a time, it's very, it's very, too, to know, that at some of the

all the we've all the things, all the problems, all the problems,

the difficulties, the sufferance, the someone, it can touch someone, you know,

the sufferance of the other also we're too, these encounters there, these people,

these people, they're people, they're often these these encounters that, that for me

come to me get to the plus. You know, it's also, the time, when we

get with some issues that are difficult, we don't not always that like some

like something of an an issue, something of something to something of something to something

alone in these moments. To who we we're talking. It's not not so easy to find someone. And sometimes we're even

not ready to say, oh, that's good, so when we know, it's for that I like I'm

all the time, I'm, I'm trying, I'm, because I know how it can't that can't

reason, to say, I'm not, I'm trying, I'm never who's in talking, I'm talking,

because I just can't it's been to it's not all, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, so,

to part, so, to share, it's sure that it's aided many of people. And you don't some of the retreatte also? Yes, that's what

that's what you do do with your work? Well, I'm, it's a three-jour and I'm with you, a bit like,

some of the cards like you, I have different practices, I'm different meditations, I like there of the humor.

I, on the chain spiritual, I'm trying to find someone who's trying, I'm trying to get a sense of an humor.

So, I'm assured that we can have some moments of fool-rish. I'm not at serious, I like to tell you know, I'm going to

plunge in the silence and I'm trying that we're doing our soul and I'm my defy- there are some there's people

who do chigong or the yoga for 30 years and other for three years, it's that all the world can be equal,

that we're all, that we're all, and Ellen Mait, with his music, so the retrait is what I

like the most. It's the encounter of the other. It's the encounter to the other

and you don't know, like you just said Marri-Klaude that you never alone,

you're always someone that's sensibly the same thing that you're not that's a

validant. That's valid because you know, see, so, you know, so,

so, you know, so, it's, you know, it's not simple, to to say, I'm going to

take the time of this person I'm depose and what, is what, is it is that I'm trying to create an attempt?

It's not, it's deli- it's not not all the people who merit your story no, to confi, how to confi,

at which moment to confier, I think it's difficult to to confier. So, so I like the biographies,

I'm much the many, the, many, the, many, the,

because, just, I'm really, I'm impression, I'm like, I feel like if I'm confere to say I'm confere to to say it's like it's like it's like it, it's like, in the platform the Mark Club, we've done, you know,

I've done, I wanted that the members are a journal intimate. So, there's a passrelle, you know, it's hyper confidential, you know, there's person of the team who can go to, it's a passrele that that's a new application,

and I'm saying, person can to go to go to it's because it's on an ordy it's like a case it's like to

keep in it's important to have a place for when you're when you're people who come to

you know to ask to be able to respond without to be saying. It's easy to

to be to say to say. Oh, yes, my God, tell- and a

place to depose to depose our baggage. And to be, to be to be

judgment, there's not the more good good gift of the more good good that we can't give to an person

without without without without and get to get to oh my my God

because it's a I think that's that you can never to terminate your

story don't are you don't are you do you do you know

it's it's I'm it's it and we're it and we're

that we're so to have So, when you do your retreat, the people arrive to be depose. They arrive to be depose

and to enter in amity with them because he arrives with these attents, these exigences, they're having with these attempts over me.

You know, I'm saying, no, there's not an attend to me and have you don't have you even.

Arette meditative, d'aprey, meditative, you don't ever, or almost never, what you're but

always what you have the need to the point. You know the you know the necessarily.

There are some people who say, oh, I'm going to be the silence. I'm going there,

I'm going to get to say, oh, I've got to say, I've got that I have been

that I'm there's a other person who are saying, I'm know, I be able to

be able to talk to talk about to talk about to the day, they're going to the

that's what I think it's what he made. So you see, it's not necessarily so you'll live. You've got to live. Yeah, you have to live, and you have to be able to have some of the moment uncomfortable. And, you're so.

Medite, for me, it's, it's entree in an amitia with so. It's to say, okay, Nicole, you've got petted the plon, why you think? And to not respond.

To not respond, to let the car express and and very very often there's a cry of a

chagrin there's a chagrin that's not being able to be able I think it's good I'm

sure that question. If someone if someone if I say I'm interested by a

retrait we're going to where? There are not not a lot

they're on they're on they're on the people get to the

people and I limit the number because I'm don't over it

It's for that I don't on my social, I limit the number of participants. So they're on Nicole Bordolo

point com and the retrette are there. Well, because there's we're saying, we're talking to say

who's so. Niveau Eros and so, then you impugue four. So you

respond a sole question also of this level that. It's part of the energy

of the car also, Eros. What? So, what? You're

you? To do your first first time, what's what place to accord to

an intimacyity emotional in your relationship amoeuels? Is you at a laise in the sphere of the

intimacy? And is that the sexuality is a taboo in your family? It's

resound? So, what place do you to the intimacy emotional in your

love? The first. It's the first place for me. Because the sexuality

that is important in a couple, will finish by varriety.

So, there will have some there's a moment, it's a different

or it's to be different, I'm with the malady, I've seen,

I've seen the changes, but the intimacyity emotional, to be able to

be able to be to be to be to be that you have a fear,

to me to be that you have a chagrin, to me to me to me

to be what you merve and what you run curious, to be able to to be able to be profoundly vulnerable with me

and to know that never I'll serve against you. In a dispute to come, an intimacyity emotional, for me, it's the

cement of an relation, to be able to be able to be able to be able that the other says, she

she, she's your own of your light, she's your fire, your feverses, she's, she's your

febless, she's, she's all that. And what you discover on you? Because, I'm going to

be able to be able to be able to say, oh, I'm able to say, I'm what I'm going to see what,

but I'm going to say, well, I'm going to say, well, I'm, I've seen. I know, I, I've seen. But the

intimity, the tendress. Oh, the tendress, for me, the tendress in a couple,

the tendress in a regard, And dress, I don't, me not my love, if you're not,

just my love and my love, my cheree, my cheree, that, that's it's a

merit. If I don't know that there your love, you know, you know, you know,

I've seen a couple, you know, in my entire, in the time, be very

collo, very, very, the little more, and I'm in my relation,

it's, it's not necessarily And then, and then, and then I'd say, if you're doing something, is it like something? And I'd say that the

public of these couples are not quite. And I'd say, it's bizarre. You know, because in fact you could think that's we that we're able

to be together. If you'd that from the exterior, but it's not our language to us to superlative of this

way. And, and it's not, it's not the gage of durie necessarily. No.

Or, like you said, is it or it's by habitude. Yeah. By convenance. By convenance, Mariclob.

We, never we don't we're in public. Never. I'm, I'm to the pudeau to this part, and it's

something that I don't question not, that I don't know in question. We don't not in public, but we're

on dark every night in the night. And for me, this intimacyity that, it's

all. the BASI in public. Because there's a very, very, very tendress. And I'd be more affectueue.

I'd like, sometimes I know some, I mean, and I'm also, I'm asking, is I'm asking, is I'd

be more demonstrative and all that, my love, it's not, it's not that that that's not that

that's not that he's that he's that he's exprime, but it's all too, too profound,

too emotional. It's beautiful, so, the image, to see, it's

it's, you know, it's, it's, you know, there's like something, we're like,

we're, we're always, and we're, and we're never, parted to the house, and we're

saying, oh, I'm, even if there had been there's a dispute, because you

know, because you know, you know, you know, my father is more, subitement,

in 52 and he is part, he's parted, and he's not re-renew, he's more subitement.

I'm subitement. So, even if we're a dispute, you've not said, oh-voire,

I'm not telephonse, and you come to come to the house and you see, I'm not negotiable.

What is superstitious? I'm not negotiable. You don't get to that for to who you

go to see that that you go that's ever that. No, neither, neither,

neither, nor, neither, nor, it's, If you had a book to write

on your love for Ellen that's what the title? Ellen, my

eternal, my eternal. It's for yair for today, for tomorrow,

I'm saying thank. Thank you. Dernier question, Nicole, the question opto-rezo.

If you regard the ensemble of your partour, of what you're the first?

Of who I'm and of who I'm to dovenir to who

I'm in this moment before you know because I think to be the best to

be the capacity, of my possibilities, of my intention, but of who I

am to be to I know, I know I'm, I know that I think

to my last I'm, I'm there, a part that's He was been in a retrait of Mary Claude, and she

granded on a farm. She said, when I went to the house at four hours, I said my mother, he's where, papa? My mother, she said, your father, he is part to march his earth. And, me, it's what I want, I

want to make my terrier. And I want to do it until the end of my life. I want to marches, all the recond, all the cellul, all the parties of Nicole,

all the arms, all the lights, of who I'm at I think that's I'm the I'm the feeling I'm saying I'm saying

we're saying we're saying it's the antithes to vieyeye to want to be able to discover

all their life there's something in the movement in the continuity because we're there's like

there's like there's like there's like there something there's like there some people there's something to be

I'm sorry I'm I'm going to Arridden that, but we say rarely I'm that you're

that you're doing that you do you're doing different, but you pursue, I'm going to and I'm,

and I'm and I'm saying, okay, it's true, we're in the office on what I do you

do, but what I'm doing, you know, my mantra? I'm more Mourriere used than

Rooier. Ah, but it's completely that. Exactly, not, not,

not, be always in moose. Ah, it's good, that. And to make, to bring these risks, it's not grave if we're choo. Reprend a pencil,

recommenced to write, even if the 70-year-old, returne to piano, to bring these risks, bring some of the risks, it's that who guard living, also, to be vulnerable,

to be curious, in where we are we some? The little Nicole, that, who was in the church, with so-sour-Nicol.

Yes, what she'd think of the Nicol that I'd I think she would be in security. I think she'd say, I think she'd say, thank you to not me have obliged, especially, because I'm, I'm, I'd love his place, I'm, I'm just, I'm giving, I'm just, I'm

permit of being an child. I'm never I've never

had a permission really, I'm I'm exerce to be to be in life.

It's a little example of the little your little bit the puppy,

the puppy the poor of the heart of what you do you don't know

that you mean mention that it's my image preferer in psychology

it's the image that I use all the time the puper

russ it's really that the little part that's the part that's the

part of the most really that's we're in it's a rose Mary Charretke

who had talked to that one a day to make this image that my rest

all the time I'm talking I'm talking I think often I think the life

we can we're we're on the puppy you know she

she's she she she she's not she she she and there tranquillable

so and We're going to get to start it's for that she's it's

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, and that's the work of a life

often, to, to, to find this little this beautiful. Yeah, it's a

, thank, thank, thank, of the explanation, that you came to

come, that, that's, my belle, my belle, she, yeah, that's,

I think, I, I think, I'm, I think, just, just, it's,

It's the experience, in force of the people when you're a psychologist you're to be able to

think you know, we're to get into to have touched this petal and they're

abriated to the time. And all a sudden we would have to come, we'll not come

it's, but the essence of who is our self, like you he,

he is there all the time. Telling. Thank you Nicole. Oh, Marklone,

it's me that thank you. Well, be a encounter. Thank you with

plenty of of life by your experience. It's not you don't say you're not you're not

you're talking and we're like that. Thank you Nicole Bonne. Thank you. Mary Claude. Thank you.

And thank everyone to have been there and we see to talk, bye bye, everybody.

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