Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette - #88 Mélanie Couture | Ouvre ton jeu avec Marie-Claude Barrette

Episode Date: January 13, 2025

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Obviously, the team without whom this podcast would not have, we would not see the day, would not be there. Carol Anne Dionne to coordination, David Bourgeois to online, Jonathan Fréchette to digital creation, and Tissaneola at the capture. Today, it's a woman that I understand, I've met her a few times in my life, but I've never spent a moment alone with her.

I've also seen her on stage with other humorists, Céline Numeris, who's been there for a few years and I think we have to learn to know her. She's someone who has a lot to say, she's a sexologist in training, so she already wants to share her knowledge. She was a teacher, she also accompanied women who lived through great difficulties related to sexual violence. So it's a podcast where we're going to talk about several things. And I'm really looking forward to it.

It looks like I'd like to be friends with that woman. And I'm talking about Mélanie Couture. So here I leave her all the room. So, place to Mélanie Couture. If I want to summarize it, it would be my child. But I think that maternity has confronted me more than anything else and made me feel out of place, sometimes with tools, and I feel vulnerable to how I will be able to manage all this big control of bringing a little bit of a chou at the age of adult.

Ouvre Ton Jus is presented by Karine Jonquat, the reference in the care business for the fae, available in nearly a thousand pharmacies in Quebec, and by the virtual community Marie Club, available on MarieClub.com. The table-up game Ouvre Ton Jus is available everywhere in the stores and on Randolph.ca. Today I meet a woman that I don't know. I saw her on stage, but we don't know each other personally, but do you know what she's like? I think you're going to see at the beginning of a friendship. It's like a feeling I had when she came in here, something happened right away. It felt like I knew it was going to happen anyway.

And even before she arrived, I thought, I might have a little project to propose to her. We're going there. We're going to get to know her more. I'm sure there are some games that she knows among you, but I want to discover this woman. Mélanie Couture, welcome. I'm excited. A little secret project.

I'll talk about it later. I may have something. I like it when it goes fast. I think of what, an intro like that. I'll talk about it later, maybe I have something. I thought about it and I like it when it goes fast. I think about what, I talk about it to people. It tells you about what, it tells you... We'll see. Listen, it's very exciting. But first, let me live my dream of opening my game.

You want to open your game because you wanted to come live this experience. Yes, we make jokes, but it's true that sometimes I pass my 11h11 hours, because honestly, Marie-Claude, that's what often happens when we're a public person. We don't know people, but they know us. And I had to go to bed with my boyfriend and listen to the two girls in the morning, you know, I knew you before. And every time I was like, oh my God, that woman is making social sciences in Quebec progress.

It's so important, all the subjects she talks about. Because three quarters of the time, you know, it's my passion, humans, social science, and how society will go better if we talk about what's in our heads. And I was like, that woman, the fact of a master's hand. And in addition, I had served you in Boston, and with your family, and I had found you wonderful, when I was serving you. In Brossard, in Saint-Bruno. Yes, yes! With you, you were wonderful. Oh, at the restaurant at Saint-Bruno? Yes!

With you, with Mario and your kids. And when you were all alone, I was like, hey, don't be a bitch, that lady. I got to the table, I was like, this is going to be for my daughter, this is for my daughter. You know, your kids were very young at the time, I'm going to take this, yes, perfect, thank you.

I was like, tabarouette, which was efficient, let's go, let's go. You know, like, so I was already in love with everything, I just wanted to serve you. Oh my God, no, but it's true that I've always been, before, sometimes decisive for all this kind of... I don't like the word. You know, when you're at the restaurant, there's like a blast,

especially when you come, you know, when you come, let's say, as a waitress, we want it to be clear. That's it, and then we're ready. So, we must say that you, you're a sexologist before, you were a humorist, I was... We know you as a humorist, You're in your second show already. Yes, I have a background in sexology. Because I'm not a sexologist. Sexologist is a title protected by the order of Quebec sexologists.

You can't appropriate the title, otherwise they send you amendments and it's well understood. You don't want it. You don't want it. And anyway, I protested when I was in the sexology background so that we had an order to protect the public. I wouldn't go against the values ​​of the order at the public. So I wouldn't go against the values of the order at the moment. But I still taught a five-year program of education in sexual health for women victims of conjugated violence before going to the National School of Humor with my BA in Sexology in Posh. But did you already know that you wanted to go into humor at that time? No, not at all. It's a kind of parkour error. I did some classes on all kinds of things in the evening

to be able to vent the heaviness of the stories that I heard during the day. And it was okay because it was part of the path for someone who does interventions to vent their neurons. And I did salsa classes, Spanish classes. Then one day I googled evening classes because I didn't know which class to take anymore. I found Recon Nacional de Le Monde and it made me laugh. I was like, there's a school to learn how to be funny.

That's really weird. I thought, if I'm not funny, I'm going to laugh. So it's going to be fun tonight. Then I signed up and I met two really cool girls with whom I tried to do the evening classes. So I did a second evening class. And there's a teacher named Christiane Vient, who asked me, Why don't you do the full-time program with the number we're working on? Are you auditioning? And I said, well, no, I have a full-time job and I like it.

And she said, it's not a good reason. Oh! And then I did like, you know, when there's something, there's someone who's planting a little seed in your brain, so I said, ah, I'll have to go to the end of this business if I want to live without regret. That was the plan, to go audition and get refused. Because otherwise you had to tell him no. Well, I had to tell him no.

And after that, I would probably have done, can you imagine, it's 10 years later to do, what would have been my life if I had done the national school of the world? It didn't try to make me live that. So it tried to make me refuse to, well, you know, or accept. We'll see, but the idea in my head is that. It tried to make me refuse to accept it. We'll see, but the idea in my head was that I was going to be refused because I really didn't have any experience.

I didn't do any improv, I didn't come from the theater school. I had nothing of that. And then, step by step, I think that Louise Richer appreciated my approach because she asked me why I wanted to do that. And I explained that I think humor is a transmission vector that is very powerful and that I would use it to talk about sexuality on stage, but with a different angle than pedagogy, because I found it very, very intense when I was teaching in sexology

all the pressure there was on women to be beautiful, young, all adequate to have a sexuality that is fun. You know, it seems that just to have pleasure in sexuality, there are criteria that you have to fulfill that just don't have a good sense of it. And even if I had the paper of an expert, it seems that it's difficult to believe me or to assimilate it or all that. So I wonder what is as strong as the damn machine of advertising, and of commerce, and of capitalism, I think in Quebec it's humor.

So if it works in humor, I will integrate sexuality in my numbers, and if it doesn't work, I will integrate humor in my classes. That was the project. She never had to hear an answer like that? Never, I think. But I think she was excited because she was happy that someone was seeing her, the humor at the height she saw it. Yes, it leaves a trace.

Yes. There are repercussions of what you just heard in your life. Exactly. And you don't even need to be a teacher on stage, you just need to be funny so that people assimilate things. You don't need to realize that you're thinking about a course. Did you know you were funny? Did you think you were funny in your life? Did you make friends? Yes, but you know, I wasn't a clown in class.

You know, like the teachers, I was a good student. I arrived with the teacher, I had good grades, I was a representative of my level, captain of my team of volleyball. You know, you understand, I had a casting that was more, I do my business as it should be, and you know, it's not like we're clowns. But outside of classes, I think my friends found it funny,

but you know, there are plenty of people who are funny in their own field, but who are... They're not going to be in the National School of the Arts. Well, that's it, you know. But there's something about your job, we want to trust you. Oh, yes. I don't know, we want to trust you. Oh, really? I don't know, you seem protective to me.

I think it's the casting of the nunu. You think so, but I feel you're kind of... Yes, but even in what you just said, beyond your body, in what you just said, I want to do humor to educate in some way, to stop having the same... to go beyond the taboos. Beyond the taboos, you want to say things that you learned from university. So I find that there is a benevolence in this duty of transmission,

and to find another way to do it, and to go to school, to recommend, you know, it's go to the studies, you know, to recommend, you know, to, even though it's a few years of your life, that, while you already liked it, I find that there is something in there that is beyond what you say about the no-no. Yeah, I'm going to take it as a compliment because I think taking care of people is a beautiful quality. And, you know, the people in my room,

they don't come to get bashed. On the contrary, I want to take them and get on the boat at the same time. You know, Yves-Lun-Doudou, let's go, let's go. Because it's the fun, what I have to say. It's reassuring, what I have to say. It makes you go down with a pressure that just doesn't feel right. And I think that when people are a little bit happier, or a little bit better, they tend to want to do good again,

and then it will come back to them and do the same thing. It's pretty simple. I was lucky, I was born in the Watt, and I have the impression that redistributing is a good thing. Are you ready to open your game? I'm ready to open my game. Melanie Couture, so let's go. Green level, these are generic questions.

Yellow level, more specific questions. Red level, these are personal questions. It's up to you. Well, that's your pink level. You know there are guests who get anxious anyway. The Eros and Companys level. I almost added cards in the E, and Eros accompanied me. I'm certainly saying a level with which you will be very comfortable.

The question of the opto-network, which is always a question where I find it sweet. It's like the game ends in softness, leaving the word of the end, and your joker, if you think it goes too far, especially in the sub-questions, at that moment you put it on the table and I move on to another question. Perfect. So, green level, you're going to brush them on the table, you're going to give me five, I'm going to read them to you, Mélanie, and you're going to choose one, and I'm going to choose one right after.

So here it is, my disc. Thank you. So, first question. When I look in the mirror, I see. What character traits did you have to work on? What makes you vulnerable? How has the importance you give to others evolved over time? How do you react to authority? And which person made a difference in your life?

There are six, there is one more, but it's okay. Oh, I got it. It's okay, I didn't count mine either. Can we talk about my A.A. right now? No, no, it's not true. No, no, but choose what you want. So when you look in the mirror, what traits of character do you have from work?

What makes you vulnerable? How do you evolve the importance that you give or look at others over time? How do you react to authority? Which or look at others over time? How do you react to the authority? Which person made a difference in your life? I'm going with what makes me vulnerable. Yes. If I want to summarize it, it would be my child.

But I think that maternity has confronted me more than anything else and made me feel out of touch, sometimes doubtful, and I feel vulnerable to how I will be able to manage all this big control of bringing a little bit of a dog at an adult age. For me, these are bones that I navigate, I think I navigate them well, but often I am very destabilized and I have the impression of being naked in front of an obstacle that is really intense. How old is your son? He's eight years old, my little heart.

And it's a child you've wanted a lot. Yes, it's a child I've wanted a lot, but I've delayed the project quite a bit because I went back to the Conestal National de l'Hombre at 28, I left at 30, and it didn't try to do it right away. And it tried to... I wanted a family, not necessarily just a child. So I studied for a long time who would be the right partner to be able to have a family. I met him when I was 36.

He takes it to the time we know each other. I had a boy when I was 40. I wanted him, he was thought. And maybe just because I only have one, you have the impression that you can't scrap him. You're like, can't start, I don't have a chance. So that for me, it's, there's a great vulnerability in parenting that I find difficult to learn because precisely, you can't be the first in class in parenting, it's not possible. Did you see that coming, that you were going to react like that?

No. I thought I was going to manage it because I still had a good example at home. And I think I manage it anyway, but I forgot all the instability you live with to manage the number of times I was going to scream in my ear. You know, you understand the So I'm going to yell at them. You're not like Kayu's mom? No! Nobody is like Kayu, first of all. She really confronted me when my children were young and listened to Kayu, Kayu's mom. I didn't understand.

But your children are a little older than mine. Yes, it was Kayu's age. And it was like, you know, it was all over the house, going home with snow or whatever, rain. And it was like, Kayuuu, you have to leave your boots on. You know, you understand, it was a bit of that, but I thought that for the sea, even if we liked Caillou at home, I thought it was even confronting. Yes, yes.

Because I was like, what is this? Because it's not easy all day. What confronts you the most, for example, with your son? I think that managing emotions is difficult for me because it's something that... I have the impression, you know, when you've been doing it for so long, you have the impression that it's inborn, so you don't know by what end you're holding on to it. And my son is a boy who is very happy, very angry. There's a lot of pain, there's a lot of joy. He's in the extremes. So, this logic that I have in life to do like,

yes, it's really fun, but still, you know, or, okay, it's annoying, but we can still think in this way so that it's less, he hasn't developed yet. So, you found that zone there. Yes, it's to find, to mold his little brain to what, if someone piled on his drawing at school, it's not the end of the world. And it's tough because sometimes you manage crises that are 10

when in your head you say it should be 2. So that for me is, I think that vulnerability is in the misunderstanding of what is happening. In fact, no of what's going on. Actually, no, it's not true. I'm going to take it back because I understand what's going on. I know that her brain is building up, I know that there aren't all the tools yet, I know that her emotions are strong, and I know that the two together, it will end up touching the girls. Yes, yes, yes.

But there... In the meantime, it's not that. In the meantime, it's not that. And when you have a child who is very emotional, and who has beautiful emotions, and I try to show him that it's a strength, and later he will realize that it's almost a super power. Because when we are close to our emotions, we are able to read others better, etc. But for now, this end is really rough. So sometimes I feel completely vulnerable.

I feel like my quality of mother is being attacked. Is she more attacked when she is more emotional or more angry? Well, anger is an emotion, so I have to assume it, because we are all entitled to anger. We are all entitled to anger. But I think that because I have worked in conjugal violence for a long time, I have a bias. And I don't want that little boy to become a man who punches walls. So I have to cut that out of my brain to do... No, that's your normal development.

You know, like... Come on, don't punch walls while passing by. No, no, no, but we understand that your bias comes from your professional life. Yes, that's it. What have you retained from all these years? On the beautiful side, I retained the strength that once you decide to go towards the unknown, and that you have the strength to go towards the unknown to change your life, your life can open up to anything.

I mean, the possibilities are unlimited. And I saw it in women, because women sometimes left in environments that just didn't have good blood. And sometimes it's easier to stay in a place that you know, even if it's toxic for you, than to leave in a place that you don't know. It takes a lot of courage to go to the unknown. But I really realized that, you know,

as much for me, when I'm in a situation, that I go, oh my God, I'm going to the unknown. The National Humor School, it wasn't known. So I took their example, you know. I said, OK, well, look, I'm going to the unknown. The National School of Humor, it wasn't known. So I took their example. I said, OK, I'm good, I work well, I earn my living as an educator. We're in 2000. I have a good job, I don't miss it. But I said, I think there's something bigger.

So going to the unknown, I think that's what I remember the most. These women taught me a lot about that. Because you worked with women? Yes, I worked in the homes for women victims of sexual violence. We covered Montérégie, it's an organization called the Emissaire, which is on the South River, which only has sexologists. And then they target populations that are a little more vulnerable in relation to their sexual health. Do you feel that shame keeps silence longer?

Is there something like that, to put everything on your back? Oh, that's for sure. But it's maybe not just putting yourself on your back. It's... you know... What I often say about conjugated violence is that the violent person makes you wonder that you are his savior and not his victim. So you are the person who will be able to help him get out of there. He is not, you know, often there are violent episodes, but the person will do it.

I know what I'm doing is not right. But don't leave me alone in there. There's just you who understands me. You're the only one who can get through this. Everyone hates me, but you're the only one who loves me. Help me get out of this. Often, the impression is that you don't want to put your partner,

who you love despite the conjugal violence, under the spotlight that everyone will know that he's not right. So there's this part where women keep silence. under the spotlight, like everyone will know after that, that he is not correct. So there is this end there, that women keep silence. And there is also the end that they make, I can not believe, once they realize that it is really violence,

I can not believe that I was made to see myself. I thought I was someone smart. We all heard about violence when I was young. It's not a surprise. That's why I want to hear you on this, because you, you've embraced it. And you know, I know with this podcast how much as soon as we have such a message, we have a lot of messages and it feels good to hear that.

It feels good to see that even if we say it often, if we weren't in that situation, we don't hear it in the same way. No, indeed. And when we find ourselves in that situation, if we hear you or if someone close to us lives it, all of a sudden it takes another dimension. Yes. You know, we often imagine a certain social class, and a certain education among women who are victims of sexual violence,

and it has no relation. I met doctors and nurses, you know, I mean, lawyers. Because what is it? The starting point is love for the other person, basically. The starting point is, well, it's is love for the other person, basically. The starting point is... well... It's not love for the other person, it's the love for the illusion that the other person gives us. Ah, yes, that's it. Because the person who is it is not that person.

So it's love that makes us stay. Yes, in fact, it's the desire to find the illusion again. But as long as we don't know it's an illusion, and we don't admit it's an illusion that we love, because it's the love of the potential of this person. So, always this quest, despite the obstacles. You say, at some point, I'll get there. At some point, we'll get there. It's a team effort in their head. And the other will give them a grain of hope when it decreases. We will get there. It's a team effort in their heads. And the other will give them a grain of hope when it decreases?

There will always be a grain of hope in the famous cycle of conjugal violence with the honeymoon. So at times, it's just that the cycles shorten and it gets shorter and shorter before there's another episode of violence. And sometimes, we don't need it to get shorter and shorter to come out. We can come out from the beginning, but sometimes it takes a lot of time for X reasons. It's not up to us to judge the reasons. When the person is ready to come out, we need to be there for them. What would be the signs? The signs of conjugal violence? The signs that you have to leave. Isolation. But isolation isolation is wrapped in a gift.

Like, I'm going to take you to school every day. It will be a pleasure to do lifts every day. It will be a pleasure to come back with me every day. If at some point the person says, no, no, no, I prefer to take the bus, it allows me to read, and at the same time I can go go to drink with my friends because I know you don't expect me. And then he says, yeah, but I'm offering you to come back and drive, and then you don't want to. So you're like, ah. So you know, sometimes gifts are challenging. That's when we see that there's control behind what's wrapped like a gift.

So already there are little signs for me that make it so that, you know, often we are afraid to contradict people at the beginning of our relationship because we don't want them to not like us. So, if we never contradict anything, well, we can't know how the person reacts in conflict situations, and sometimes it takes more time before embarking on a conflict. And that's when we see the real character behind everything is beautiful, everything is good. Because it takes so long to say what you want and do what you want. It's rare, but a problem is given. Demands are less and less realistic.

Your sister and your mother are always against me, I'm not capable anymore. I don't want to see each other anymore, etc. That's it, so isolation. because that's always what we hear, Mélanie. I finally moved on on my own because we hear all the time, my mother, she didn't tell me the good news, but my best friend, in the end, she wasn't my best friend, and we ended up believing her. Excuse me, you mean who?

But does the victim end up believing what that man is going to tell her? Yes, but in fact, it's not just that. It's that if that man says, I'm not good with these people because they don't love me, because they make me feel the same, and then, in addition, did you see how he says that? So you, if you want to go, go ahead, but I'm not going to submit to that. So it comes from her. That's it. That's what's crazy.

It's that it comes from her. That's it. That's what's crazy. It comes from her. It's as if it's the victim who... ...who at one point chooses that I can't make you suffer like that. Because that's what the person wants to do, to believe in the other. You make me suffer when you do that. But they never see that if you disconnect me from my mother, I'm going to suffer. That doesn't count. But who are you going to choose to put your priorities as false?

It's me or your mother that you're going to choose. Who are you going to spend your life with? So at some point, there are discourses like that that make you think, it makes a little sense. And then you say, it's true that she's not always fine, and it's true that she has to do it, and yeah, well, look, you know, my children, I like it better with their father than their grandmother. So at some point, there's a logic that's set up, which is not a good logic because we know it's going to escalate, but there's a logic that's set up in a deaf way, and that's when at some point you say, hey, it's still me who took these decisions where I was part of the problem, so I didn't want to talk about it because the shame came in. It's something that we'll talk about again one day.

Because it fascinates me. I know mothers who don't have access to their daughters. It's a sadness. It's an incredible sadness. It's a sadness. Yes, because the daughter is in a toxic relationship. Exactly. So the question I choose, when I look in the mirror, I see.

Well, listen, I... It's always 55 years old. Because I'm still aware that I see a body that is socially not accepted. But honestly, I find myself hot. So, you know, I look at it and I'm like, oh! And you know, I told you, I'm a New English girl. Well, yes! And then when I put my jeans on, I put myself on stage and I was like, damn girl!

Because I saw my butt site and I was like, oh! And then I went to show you my shirt and I was like, check! You know, like, because there's something that I, my body that is sexualized, that is enveloping, that is, you know, I've done the path like what? Not only do I know that on one side I'm going, and I weigh my words there, I'm going to anger people. I know that my body is going to anger people. They're afraid of becoming like me, or they don't want to touch someone like me. But there are people who do like, yeah, but they're not bothered by it. And I'm like, yeah, but they're excited about it.

So there's a path you can take, and that doesn't mean you're going to get there. The idea of getting there is correct. I think it's correct. Already, you won't hurt yourself. That's what we want in life. Try not to hurt yourself. You don't have to be like, it's okay that you don't get hurt. But my body gave me so much pleasure in intimacy.

It does what I want, in the sense that if I want to go climbing, I'll go climbing. So I appreciate that whole body. Sometimes I look at the spots of psoriasis, and I'm going to do climbing. So I appreciate all that body. Sometimes I look at psoriasis spots and I'm like, I'm going to put some cream on me because I'm like, that's not very nice. But I do it.

It's psoriasis spots. And the advantage I have is that I don't have long-term memory. I have a little bit like a red fish. So if there's something I see in my face that I hate, I spend my day forgetting it. So there are people who do, oh my God, I can't believe I have a button in the face, I go, I spend my day forgetting it. So, you know, there are people who say, Oh my God, I can't believe I have a button in my face, I can't believe I have a button in my face,

and they're going to say that all day long. And they're going to think just about that. I'm like, yeah, I'm trying to handle that. Then I leave and two minutes later, I don't have a button in my face anymore. You don't think anymore? No, because I don't have... But you're talking about a path anyway. It It's interesting. So, did you take a step?

Because when you say, I love my body, but society doesn't love that body, do you feel that way? Personally, no, but I mean, socially, it's well recognized that we're not part of the beauty standard body. Absolutely.

I had to order clothes online because we don't have a ton of shops when we go into a shopping mall. Even today, you know, there are people who will say, it's not true that you can be healthy, it's impossible. So now you're hurting my company because you always have to go to the hospital. I read comments from people so aggressive, aggressive, below different people who said, yes, but at the cost of hospitalization, while I train, I don't smoke, I don't drink,

I don't cost anything. It's terrible to think like that. And it's still funny to think that people who train, they think they'll never have knee problems. I mean, great athletes have surgeries when they go to the hospital. So that's not the debate. It doesn't mean we don't train. I train in life. Exactly.

Do you understand? It's not like we don't have a problem when it's there, that's present in health. I was doing yoga with my two litters of racha during COVID. You know, you understand because it's part of my pleasure. And it's true that I've always been, I mean, I weighed 185 pounds, I was 15. But I played in the volleyball team. At one point you say, there are limits to putting all the balls of society on my back because I have a lot of them. So already there, I have the awareness that there are people who think like that. But I also know that science is showing us that it's much more complicated than we think to lose or gain weight.

So if you understand how science works, you say, but I can't take all this weight on my shoulders to be able to become what people would like me to become in society. You're a nice guy, you know? And if you become something else, there will be other things, you know? Yes, that's right. And to make the scene, was it like a statement for you? It's an advantage.

Sincerely, in humor, when you're not the beauty standard, it's an advantage. Because the more you're the beauty standard, the more people don't give you credibility. When you tell me, we trust you, when I'm in. And I know that's part of the fact that I have a deeper voice, that I have a certain physique,, I have certain ideas, but Kim Lizotte, who graduated not long after me, she, every time she starts a number, at the beginning, she says, look, I know I look more like a girl who should audition for double occupation than to come and talk about politics, but look, that's it, I'm born the same, and that's what happens. So, she had to break that, because there were people who looked at it and who found it

threatening beauty. Like if she didn't have the precise casting. Exactly. The flaws in humor, I'll put it in quotes, in humor are paying. You have less... and in addition, it makes you live things that you can talk about on stage, which is fun because it touches a lot of people. But what I like is that you talk about it, because as soon as we're like, we don't respond to beauty standards, which are very limited. We try to stretch them out, we talk a lot about inclusion, but we're often marginalized in these standards. Yes, because nowadays, you're going to be thin, you're going to be thin,

thin is no longer in the standard, folded is no longer in the standard, old is no longer in the standard, bought is no longer in the standard. Nowadays, you still do it. The standard is not long and it's not there for many people either. Exactly. The idea when you say you have to accept yourself, it's not always easy sometimes to accept yourself. But what I like, Nan, is that you say, we can get there. Get there.

For you, was it consciously or did you just say, you know, just be good? I remember, I was very, very young, and I remember at one point thinking, because, you know, I was still tied up when I was very, very young. And I remember at one point thinking, because I was still dressed up when I was little. And we all do the same thing. We look at our photos when we were little, and we say, well, I wasn't big. But for the time or for the others, or whatever.

And I remember at one point dreaming, I was 11, 12 years old, I was in my bathroom, I wasn't even in high school, I was still in primary school. I dreamt that I was undressing a fat suit, and that I would put it on, it was dry, and that I would say to myself, if people knew when I was underage,

since all this time. You know, there was a kind of fantasy that I would arrive at school and suddenly... A costume of a drunkard. Yes, that's it. And that I would arrive at school and at one point I would do ta-da! All this time, that wasn't it. It's a Today, educators would say that's not how we solve problems. But at some point, people who are scared to be scared,

it's not too long ago. So you had peace? I had peace quickly and I had young friends. I didn't feel that I was excluded. It didn't make me live a rejection of my body and all that. So already, I didn't make me live a rejection of my body and all that. So, already, I didn't let go of that body. And my family, on the side of the seamstresses, they're all barraquets who could work on a farm.

So, at one point, not only were they barraquets, but my father was a real man. He went to the tondeuse in Chesse. In the time, he had his short-sleeved shorts with his boots, baseball boots, up to half-mole. The image is very good. With hisleeved shorts with his boots, baseball boots, going up to half-mole. The image is very good. With his little guinea pig in his pocket,

who was maybe painting with it or wiping his forehead, I don't know. And he was passing his tinder, like in beden. So there's something about normalizing the difference of bodies in our country. And I wasn't bombarded with magazines either. My mother read the Reader's Digest, fait que tu sais, elle mettait ça dans la toilette. J'ai pas feuilleté des magazines constamment quand j'étais jeune qui m'ont un peu empoisonné l'esprit par rapport à ça. Fait que tu sais, pis y a des fois, je disais « ah maman, je me suis fait écœuré pour telle façon, tu sais, pis elle était feel that not loving me was a solution.

But I find that extraordinary because it starts from your home. It starts from your friendly values. But with some color, I was like, ah, you know, by my mother, we're not going to buy you stripes on the edge. You know, or... She wanted things that make her thin. Yes, but you know, or... She wanted things that would make her thinner. Yes, but you know, like, she never said she was thin, but she said, it doesn't fall well. But the radius on the large, it gets thicker.

That's it, it doesn't fall well, it's not for you, you see your little boobs, we're going to put this on, it stretches your leg. You know, so she was still a writer of the society's beauty. You can't ask otherwise. My mother, she's 78 years old today today. She lived a wiggly life. We were Kate Moss, because I grew up with the era of the heroine Chic. We had a great time when my mother and I were a little older. She was like, did you find your kit to make your gala just to laugh?

Because it was intense for her. And I was like, well, is it going well? Because sometimes, Melanie, we don't see each other like the others see us. And then, you know, is there a stylist who helps? Because she was very worried. Then one day I said, mom, if I'm in my career, you haven't yet understood

that even if people see me that I have a bunch of bedan or that I'm big or whatever, that I feel like it will serve people, well, we have to talk. Because she was afraid that it would ruin me. She was afraid that I would be fired. She was afraid that I would experience the setbacks of that. It's the mother who speaks.

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it doesn't mean that it's everywhere. No, no, not at all. So you understand that it has nothing to do with quality and your value. It's about where you were born and in what era you were born. And it means that the lottery made you not lucky in the West Coast. Because I went to Guadeloupe, and honestly, it was not my friend Mince who was holding on. I mean, I was doing it for him,

and not just because I was fat next to her. There was something that made sure that there was a different attraction. But sexual attraction is codes that you break as you grow up. So when you know that, you just say to yourself, well, the guys just didn't have access to the codes that represent who I am. That's all. And they know because when they're young, it's going to be a little bit of a thing. But they don't say it too much. And later, when they're young, they're going to get a little something. But they don't say it too much.

And later, when they're older, they're like, ah, high school, I would never have dared because my friends would have hated me. But afterwards, you know, like, I prefer to go to the food store. You're like, well, it's better if you can say it. Did you have a boyfriend quickly in your life? Yes, but I put labels on it because we didn't go to the same secondary school. And already, I think that it changed something because, you know, his gang from his school didn't see... You know, I went to the private school, he went to the public school.

And, you know, it's okay, we had, you know, like physical contacts, not sexuality yet, but we had interesting physical contacts. And I remember at one point that we were arriving at the bus stop, and we were holding hands, and he saw people from his school, and he let go of my hand to say hello to his friends. So not to give his friends a hand, but really, you know, you feel when someone pulls their hand quickly, yours. And I think that's where the trust in me that my mother has installed in me was paid off, because I thought, no, it won't be possible.

We won't be able to, not there, I didn't say that, but with reflection, I respected myself and I thought, okay, we'll find someone. Honestly, there would be no other criticism. I was walking around with Guns N' Roses sandals and Spud belts. If there was something that needed to be ashamed, that's it. But no, it wasn't that. I understood that it wasn't that. But later, I stopped being with guys who said, I don't mind. And then I was like, okay, it doesn't bother you, but there are some who do like... And they punch them, you know, like...

You know, it's just a question of who you're compatible with and who you're fighting with, you know. And if I lose all that weight, because I've been with my mom for 11 years, if I lose all that weight and I have cancer or something like that, well, it's the same thing that applies. You don't stop mowing because my body changes. And it's the same thing as when you go out with a moustache and at some point there are things that happen maybe hormonal and it takes weight. Well, there's a certain immaturity, in my opinion, sexual, that makes sure that

if you decide to leave a person because his body changes, it's because you haven't developed other ways of sexually existing than through the body, like when you were 16. Yes, yes, yes, and there's also something emotional, you know, it's developed that aspect too. Exactly. But it's interesting to hear you talk, you know, that at home, in fact, they made you understand

that you should have respect for that body, which was used for a lot of things. The body is not there just to be seen. The body is used every day. If we see each other, if we realize each other, there are so many things, and often we agree that precisely the pants don't make me feel good. Only appearance.

Only appearance, absolutely. And yet, you, Pimont, good. Only the appearance. Only the appearance, risky. And since I was doing TV and radio, I had my diagnosis in September, and I think I got sick on December 20, but I got operated on April 21, in the morning. It was really an emergency, my business. Once it was removed, my blood pressure was fine. It was between 2, really.

And I had lost a lot of weight. Four months without eating any fat. But it's not sustainable. And it was really strange, the lot of weight. I didn't eat any fat for four months. But it's not sustainable. And it was really strange people's reactions. I think I lost 30 pounds. I think I gained a lot of weight. But the reaction was...

there were women, not men. It's not true that you'll become like the others. There were women who weren't happy. Oh, because you weren't becoming their partner. Because I wasn't telling them... I wasn't on TV saying... I wasn't happy. Oh, because you weren't part of the gang anymore? I wasn't telling them, it's because I wasn't on TV, I wasn't unhappy, I was just, it was dangerous, because my life as a cook wasn't working anymore.

But I thought it was funny, because you weren't part of the gang anymore. And it made me think, okay, there's something about recognition, it validates, but I was like, I'm not a spokesperson. And we don't have to find out about the extender doors either. But people did the same thing to Adele.

Oh yes. Adele, people were so angry that she decided to lose weight, but she let her be who she wanted. It's her life, she's not late. And you don't even know why people lose weight. Is it a medical condition? Is it a training condition? Is it a mental health condition? And there are other Mélanie who told me, finally you're taking them in your hand.

Yeah. There you're like... It's a joke. So she said... And I remember someone who made fun of me so much, I said, wow, but it's because I'm sick. Yeah. Then it made, oh, okay.

Well, that's it. Well, that's it. And then when I said, hey, sometimes I have my humor because I'm cursed, I said, well, it's involuntarily on my part. It's because I'm mad. It loses weight involuntarily on my part. It's like, what did she just say? But it's just that at some point, hey, can you just stop looking at my face?

But the insult is that you're telling me that all this time, you thought I wasn't taking it in my own hands. Well, I wasn't taking it in hand. I wasn't taking it in hand? That's the insult. You have to stop saying that to everyone. It doesn't say that. No, because you think, hey listen, and you don't know what the level is that the person has to do every day to be able to work on a daily basis. I mean, you don't know his state of mind, you don't know the difficulties at home, you don't know the hours he puts at work compared to yourself, you don't know your passions, you don't know... You don't know it, so you don't know what it means to take yourself in your own hands. Maybe what it means is, I have to sleep six hours.

I only do five. I have to sleep six hours. And you know, someone who is also in a depressive state, to be told, take yourself in your own hands, that too. Maybe never. You know, it's not a sentence that we should use. No, I agree. To take it in your hand. Here's a life lesson.

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We don't feel the obligation to do all our things together. And then, for example, if at some point I want to listen to a TVX show, my husband doesn't like that show, he's going to do music downstairs, that's it. My husband can go out with his friends, and I can go out with mine. Sometimes we can go out with our friends together. But, you know, to recharge myself in life, I have to do things on my own. So sometimes I say,

this is the evening, where I go to the restaurant alone and I go to the cinema alone. And that's how it is. And we've set it up well. And he also enjoys it because he's not very into fusion either. So there has that. I'm someone who is perhaps a little more on the edge of the mental charge division,

but I came across a guy who is also understanding of this dynamic. With maybe sometimes these men's tickets, because there are things that you see less, since he grew up in a man's body with a pair of men's glasses. So, I remember during the pandemic, at one point, when I had the role of cooking and there was no restaurant open, and nobody was going to eat a lunch at school. And at one point, you do like, it's a lot of food to do.

I'm tired, you know, like, and I did, how is that me? You know, after a couple of weeks, I realized, how is that all my time? And then I did, it's true that he has to work again, and I have less job because, well, it hit us a little in the legs, this thing. But at one point, I said, I don't want to think about food this week. I don't want to think about what to eat. I don't want to think about what to think about.

I don't want to hear about food. You go make some pastries, please. Can you cook all week? I want a break from food. Then at one point, he said, why don't we do that all the time, week after week? Because before, what we did was, when I when I'm in a show, and I'm far away, he's the one who takes the load. But when I'm at home, I'm the one who takes the load.

So he was able to make food there. Oh yes, no, no, he had a Brown One, he raised his first. I'm the mother of a 22-year-old boy, I met him 10 years ago, and he had his child for a long time, so he made food. It was like a question of habit. Well, it's a question of logic, like, I work from home to write gags, I'm already there, I'm going to go have dinner before you because you arrive a little later. And he was like, well, when you're not there, I'm going to do it.

And you know, it was a good division, but at one point, when we're both there, why don't you do it? Well, that's it, exactly. At one point, it didn't make sense. And also, why me, when I'm always at home, it's always me who... Why don't I have breaks to feed my family and I can sit at the table with my family and someone comes and says, here, or we grab plates together. It's nice to be able to live that way.

So we decided that a week out of two, the mental charge didn't exist at one or the other, so it gave me each one a break. I would say it took maybe a year before he was like, Oh, I need to think about what to eat. It was a week out of two. And then I was like, yeah, that's a little bit of that. It's the recurrence that sucks. It's not eating as much as that. Sometimes you buy a big bag of salad at 4 p.m.,

then some pre-cooked chicken, then baguette with garlic, and it's settled, but you can't always get out of it. But it's true that mental charge, sometimes you have to open it with the other. You have to try to break patterns. It's like habits that are getting heavier and heavier. Because, actually, mental change is 24 hours a day. Exactly. It lasts for years.

I have one for a few years. I don't have any more now. We always have one somewhere. But it's not an interval, like it's already been. There's no human being who depends on you to eat. No, me, that, you know, it's still sometimes scary to see that if you laugh, they won't eat, you know, when they're young. Ah, yes, yes, yes, that's it.

You know, I mean, you don't have a choice, you don't film, you still have to think about... You know, it's possible that one day it doesn't work, then you pour cereals on everyone and it's going to be that evening. Oh, terrible. They ate chicken croquettes sometimes. But yes, yes, yes. Well, I don't think it's a big deal, but I think there was a time when I ate more than average. I tried to find the best at the grocery store

with potatoes, potatoes and carrots, but I knew, Mélanie, that this meal, the three of them liked it. Because at one point, I liked it, you do a lot of business, you're out of your day. At one point, I keep saying, especially to the mothers, you have to be the best mother you can a lot of business, you're at the end of your day. At some point, I keep saying, especially to the mothers,

you have to be the best mother you can be when you live it. And not the mother you hope to be, but the one who is there. Yes, the one that is available now, what is the maximum you can go? That's it, if you give it your all, well, if you give it your all, it's a good day. I'm a little bit tired of hearing, you have to become the best version of yourself. At one point, you're like, hey, today it's going to be the basic version. Well yes! Because to be the best version of myself, it takes me days where I'm the basic version.

But that's why I think we're running out of time. You know, to set standards, I didn't know Isabelle Lluat at the time, we already saw her at Salut Bonjour, you know. And sometimes I said to myself, OK, look, he's writing, she won't see us Isabelle Lluat at the time. We already saw her at Salut Bonjour after that. And sometimes I would say to myself, look, she won't see us, Isabelle Lluat. I had to think about it seriously. I had to tell myself. Don't judge me, Isabelle Lluat.

No, Isabelle Lluat doesn't see me, so it's going to be okay. I remember the first time I met her, I said, I don't know if I liked you or not. It was like for me, there was something that had to get me up by listening to everything she said. But at the same time, I was saying to myself, there's a gap between what I'm capable of doing and what I'd like to do. And you have to go towards what I'm capable of doing. Because that pressure is unmanageable.

I've talked about it so much. I was the first to have kids in my entire family. And you know, there were a lot of people who watched me from afar and found me funny because I wasn't... I was a little weird, in fact a little bohemian in my way of being. I had so much fun with my kids. I used to work, we would do the dishes, then we would have fun. It was a mess. I was sure that I had a big nursery. There was some shiny stuff somewhere.

I never saw that, shiny stuff. You know, j'avais jamais ça, du brillant. Tu sais, toutes les petites maisons que les enfants ont, mettons une pour faire la cuisine en Fisher Price. Oui! Moi, je rêvais d'être un enfant et jouer là-dedans. Ça fait qu'ils n'arrêtaient pas de me faire de la bouffe. Mais on a beaucoup joué. Puis, tu sais, à un moment donné, c'est qu'est-ce qui est le plus important?

Je ne suis pas en train de faire la morale, mais moi, je veux faire réfléchir des fois les femmes. C'est vraiment la poussière qui est le plus important, puis le ménage. What is the most important thing? I'm not doing the moral, but I want to make women think about the dust that is the most important and the cleaning. Sometimes just having fun, it also does us good psychologically, the game with the children. It's amazing because traditionally, we would say that dads have inherited the game part, having fun with their children, do sports with their kids, have fun, fight on Sunday morning on the mat, during the time that you're the girl who takes care of the marmite that you're going to put this week, the lunch, the magazine, the soulless... Planification. Planification. And then you cry because you're like, there's someone who could do this, so you're going to

spend time with the parent who's not having fun. You're like, you're the one who had fun at 19 when I was on a fozy speaker, I had fun in my life, how come I'm not fun anymore? So at one point you're like, there's something about being fun that I voluntarily kept with my child because I didn't want to be the parent not fun. And it makes sure that if I want to be the parent in a fun way, the other parent has to take a bit of the fun. Because otherwise you can't do it.

But otherwise it's because you don't have a stop in your head. Do you think that mental charge, if we talk about it with the other, it divides itself? You told me that at the level of food it works. Because there are schools of thought that say, no, but it really belongs to the woman. In fact, mental charge, this term, came for the woman. You know, the first time we talked, it's really a feminine attribute.

Well, because we knew, we were not able to put the finger and the word on the weight of family management. And that, we didn't know. We didn't know. But managing the family is not just doing the cleaning, managing the family, it's all the women did in the time they didn't work. on savait pas, mais gérer la famille, c'est pas juste faire le ménage, gérer la famille, c'est tout ce que les femmes faisaient dans le temps, qui travaillaient pas, c'est les agendas des enfants, c'est les communications avec l'école, c'est t'assurer les vêtements, t'sais, j'veux dire, comme dans le temps, ils faisaient la machine à coude, les vêtements, là, t'sais. C'est la rentrée scolaire, c'est un gros stress pour les parents, c'est ça, exactement, t'sais. It's a huge stress for parents. That's exactly it. I sincerely believe that if we don't just say,

I need you to take more, but we show what's the most, what's really the most. I was lucky that it was my spouse who took a large part of the parental leave. Because he had a job that allowed him to stay at home with almost 100% of the salary. And I'm an autonomous worker,

so I took three months and a half, four months, and then I started writing my second novel in daycafes, because hearing the sounds of my creativity immediately came out of me. So I went to work in dayca two days, and he stayed at home. And because he stayed at home, he was the one who made medical appointments, or at least a few of them. He had the insurance card in his pockets.

He's always done dentistry, medicine, optometrics. It's always been in her court, because that's the kind of things you feel are in the court normally, because after the parental leave, she already settled in, she has the things, but I'm sure that if we were to do a survey of who has the health insurance card, in which wallet it is, it would probably be still in the wallets of the majority, simply because that's how the life of the child started. Yeah, and sometimes you have to let the other do things

as he sees them, and not as we would like them to be. Yes, and my husband would tell you, it's not always easy because lunches are the same thing. The morning he gets up with the child, he's the one who does the lunch the day before. And the morning I get up with the child, it's me who makes the lunch the day before. So, sometimes, let's say he did, ah, I made a lunch for the little one to get ahead of me, he searched me in the lunch.

And there I will do, well, let's see, a sandwich, it lacks vegetables, and there I will put a something, you know. And I know that my child won't die, he'll have a good meal and all the patente. But there's something that makes me want to set up a food source for this child who has diversity and all the patente. Because I'm going to say, it's a fight, food, when you were big, when you were young, and you went through the regimes and all the patentes. And you know that your child, there are people who are like the Botianes, so at some point you say,

okay, well, we want to show him that it's the variety and that there is not one element that is the devil. And then, you know, so it happens sometimes that... Yeah, guilt against food. Yeah, that's it. But you know, I leave my house, I'm going to do shows, and I never get a text from my husband

who says, where is this thing? Or, you know, like this thing, compared to the... And then I voluntarily chose someone And I never got a text from my husband asking me where I was doing this or that. And I voluntarily chose someone who was independent because I knew my career. And I was like, it's not true that I'm going to manage my areas remotely when I'm working. And you let it go. I say that because I think we have that to do, too, women when it's a straight couple. To still name these dissatisfactions, to name these difficulties, and it doesn't make us a less good... We don't have to perform maternity.

I mean that. And the mental burden, yes, it comes to us, but there's something, I think, that we shouldn't take, we shouldn't say, but it belongs to us. It seems like it comes first, maybe because we carry the child, but after that, we have to try to get rid of some of that. And at the same time, I salute the parents who are single-parent, but really single-parent, not those who have a break for a week or two, who are single-parent and who never have the ability to divide that burden. I hope they have a good circle and friends because Tabarouata must be off.

You know, I have the impression that sometimes as a gift, bringing them food already ready, giving them signs of care, I mean, I buy you in the year two evenings. And I come to your house. That's it, and I arrive with the food, you leave, you don't prepare for three days my arrival. Exactly. You know, someone who comes to the door, look, I take care of your house, go there. It costs nothing, it costs our time. Yes, exactly.

But you have to think about it, you're right, because when you're in a relationship, it's tough, imagine that. Exactly. There, your mental charge never stops. What did you not receive from your family and what did you miss? The proximity of my family is broadened. Okay. La proximité de ma famille élargie. Mes parents, mon père il vient de l'Alberta, pis ma mère, elle vient de Bécomeau. Pis mon père est un membre retraité de la GRC,

fait que lui, il avait été chipé au Québec pour travailler dans le bout de Bécomeau quand qu'il était jeune et il a rencontré ma mère là. Fait qu'ils ont fait une union et après ça ils se sont mis à déménager parce que la GRC c'est un peu ça. and he met my mother there. So they made an union, and then they moved out. Because the GRC is a bit like that. They went everywhere. So I was born in Rwanda. Then I grew up in Saint-Romualde, in Banlieue-de-Québec.

Then I had my adolescence in Saint-Hubert, in Banlieue-de-Té. So I've never been close to my cousins, my grandparents. I think that my mother voluntarily tried to give us that, because when we were young, it was the privilege to have a housekeeper. And it was Madame Desjardins. Madame Desjardins was a bit like our grandmother. She made us chocolate pancakes for dinner sometimes. Madame Desjardins, c'était un peu comme notre grand-mère, elle nous faisait des crêpes au chocolat, tu comprends, pour dîner des fois, ça fait que...

Je pense qu'elle a essayé d'établir ça. Puis, tu sais, j'ai été beaucoup plus proche de n'importe quelle amie que de mes cousins-cousines, parce que je connais à peine, tu sais, je voyais une fois ou deux ans, ou une fois par année. Là, est-ce que tu les vois maintenant? Pas tant plus non plus, tu sais, parce que justement, ces liens-là ont pas été créés, puis on est encore loin. Je veux dire, il y en a qui sont en Alberta encore, Not so much either, because these links have not been created, and we are still far away.

Some are still in Alberta, and some are even in British Columbia because they migrated to the West. And my family from Bécomeau, some are in Quebec, but we don't really meet. So I don't have many links. I have a nice link. We arrive and we're like, oh my God, it's so much fun! And my God, it always makes me feel. Oh my God, it's always so much fun. Oh my God, it's always so much fun. You know, the same things. Yes, we live that way. Yes, that's it.

So we have all that. And it's always very nice to go to a family party. But once we're separated from the family party, we don't write, we don't call each other. Do you have brothers and sisters? I have a big brother, yes. A big brother who is two and a half years older than me.

But you know, there was his gang, I had my gang. In fact, when we were really young, we were making snowballs and the same stuff. And then, you know, one day we were playing, let's say, at war, and my friend Julie and I wanted to play together. And they were like, no, you can't play with your girls. And you know, I was like, I want to play with my gun. They were like, no, you're going to be nurses.

And we were like, no. You know, you understand. So be nurses. We were like, no. He had stereotypes. No, it was next door. And then I was like, OK, I'm going to be a nurse. But you, Denis, first, because he's really cute. So there were things to do. But otherwise,

my brother and I, we're close in aging. We got closer because we went out together sometimes. And it was even him at one point when I was in a club, he said, I'm going to stop talking to you because I feel like there's a guy who's looking at you, and I'm training a little to make you feel like you're lucky or something. And then I was like, yeah, a guy who's looking at me.

He said, you have to come back to the evidence, you're beautiful. So we don't know who you're talking about, because clearly it's not so manly, not so old-fashioned. It looks like it's the two of them are mixed together. And I'm not the most handsome guy, but everything is beautiful. So I guess, and the guy who had treated me to beefsteak and big tuna, and all that in the first place, because I mean, he's a big brother, and he was a heartbreaker, and then you leave him, and then I go, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, meh, me But it seemed like it had a lot of weight on it. Oh my God, you know, like, okay.

So you know, the little boosts of confidence came, you know, sometimes from people you don't expect. It's not that you don't expect. And do you still have a good relationship with him? Yes, but my brother now, he's the one who travels a little everywhere because of his work. So we have the distance. So probably he has used it in his life not to have a ton of attachment

because he is able to move to the degree of promotions. But I also think it has served me a little because I'm not someone who craves being attached to people. As I said, even with my partner, we're quite independent, even though we find ourselves in a lot of things. But do you think it's because you moved often? Were you like that? No, I think I was like that at the beginning. Because I remember when I arrived in Saint-Rome,

my mother had the brilliant idea of putting the bikes in at the beginning of the truck, so when they opened the doors, they would get on the bikes and they would pedal, you know, go and discover the neighborhood. It's not complicated, it's a horse-drawn train, you can't get lost. And I was four and a half years old at that time. And I was already very proactive in the research and contact with people. There were people who were passing by our land, my brother who was like, I was already very proactive in the research and contact with people. There were people who were passing by on our land, my brother who was like, it's our land, you have to pass by, it's our land.

And they were like, we run after the duck, we're going to run after the duck. And we all ran after the duck and it became our friends for life. And there was a lady at one point, she said, you had kicked me because you had come to my door, because we wouldn't let the kids do it anymore today. But I had seen toys to make them in the yard, you know, bikes that hang, and hand tools. I had known, and I said, Hello, my name is Pélanie, I just moved,

I saw toys, are there any kids who want to play? It was proactive! Yes! My mother, she didn't have to know that, because she wouldn't have let me go alone anyway. I have strangers. We would have gone to the world some guy and play with him. You had some? Yes, I had some. Marie-Claude, I lost him. He was still my friend.

So you provoked that. I provoked that. I try to do the same thing with my boyfriend because I think he's proactive. And even accepting rejection, it doesn't hurt as much when the first girl you date rejects you. When you've already been rejected by friends, but at one point, she sees it, it's not the end of the world. So I think I didn't realize it when I was young, but I think I had it all the time. My mother used to tell me, when someone has the misfortune of saying, You'll come visit us, come on, you'll come visit us. Let's say my aunt was at our place, and you were like, how come you'll come visit us?

She said, you were leaving, you were going to do your suitcase. I was going to visit all of them. I was like, well, when she left, I wanted to go with her. So I think curiosity and the desire to learn new things and to meet people was stronger than... Ready to go. And for your chum, was it difficult, that aspect, to be more independent?

It doesn't mean to be less in love, but to understand that love is there, even if you want to be alone? I think it did him good because he lived the opposite of the medal. At one point, he found it hard to listen to the Russian puppets when it didn't want to do it. Like, let's say you want to do it yourself. And he said, at one point, not to understand that I love you so much. It doesn't matter. If I don't want to do something with you, it's not because I don't love you anymore. And it was difficult to explain that to him. So when he met someone who was more like him,

I think it was a real blow. Even sometimes he called me. In any case, he called me. And I des fois, il m'appelait. En tout cas, il m'appelait. Pis moi, j'étais chez nous pis je travaillais sur des textes. Pis il fait salut. Pis là, je fais allô. Pis là, il fait ça va? Je suis comme, ben oui. Il fait, qu'est-ce que tu fais? Ben, je travaille sur des textes. OK. Je suis comme, toi, qu'est-ce que tu fais? Il dit, ben, je suis dans le trafic. Je dis, OK, ben, qu'est-ce que tu veux?

Ben là, je vous le jasez, là, je suis dans le trafic. Je suis comme, ah, ben là, moi, I didn't finish my work. He was like... So he says, Melanie, I don't call you on the phone. You're the dumbest girl in the world on the phone. For me, you call me because... It's a proposal. It's not like you don't want to hear me talking yesterday.

I understand sometimes when people live far away, they make phones and they jizz. But then your guy... But you're not just in the traffic, put on some music and I'm like, man. It's like, I have to work. And it makes him laugh all the time because he says, Oh, you see, I was doing that with my ex because she wanted to jizz on the phone. But I was like, but you jizzed from the neck, you and I,

at some point. Well, you're behind there. I was like, well, we vous jasiez de couette, toi et Jo, pogné dans... Tu sais, quand même, à un moment donné. Ben, toi derrière, là, j'étais comme, ben, on va faire ça, à soir quand tu vas... Tu sais, je... Fait que pour moi, c'est des affaires que je trouvais que ça faisait pas de sens. Parce que je...

Mais je comprends les gens qui le font, mais quand qu'ils ont fait ça pour moi, j'étais comme, ben oui, mais je suis pas là pour te divertir. Viens, je suis travail. C'est drôle quand même. C'est drôle. Mais tu sais, je disais pas ça comme ça, là. Mais je comprends. Mais j'étais comme, ben, je peux pas, mais je travaille. Tu sais't say it like that. But I understand.

I was like, I can't, I'm working. And then I'm on a launch, and you understand that when you're on a creative launch, you want to stay there. What do you do? Do you organize surprises? What do you do to please them? We force ourselves

at the level of dates because we plan it. Otherwise, we like to do our business. So we have the DJ Tandresse parties, which are... My God, you're really getting into my privacy. The DJ Tandresse parties, which are on a weekly playlist, in bed, we stick together, and we jowl, and no sexuality is mandatory. So it're like,

oh, I don't feel like making love tonight. So you're going to stop yourself. Excuse me, I have a throatache. You're going to stop yourself from being intimate. The contact with love. That's it. That's the worst thing to do in a relationship. In my opinion, because it's the intimacy that keeps the desire. Even if he's not there tonight, if you keep having intimacy.

Because sometimes I'm like, okay, I'm bored of you and your penis, but we have to meet before. Can we date? Can we go somewhere? Can we have a date in the afternoon? Sometimes my boyfriend goes to a friend's house, and we tell the parents that we're going to the movies, and my son, in the afternoon... That's why you were going to tell them...

We tell them... We tell them that we're going to the movies, and that after that we're going to make love, so don't bring him back before 5 o'clock. You shouldn't disturb us. No, no, no. We try to do that more quickly at this time. But that's it.

So, you know, I think that's what's holding. And sometimes we do like, let's say it's been a moment that we haven't had a sexual relationship. And then sometimes we get together and we say, you know I still desire you, right? It's just that right now it's raining like, oh yeah. And then he does like, you know, I still find you really hot, but that right now I'm like, oh yeah, we know.

It's not a problem. But I love that because it's simple. Yes. It's simple. When you talk, it's simple. And I think that to appreciate the simple, you know, I don't know your journey before your spouse, but I think that sometimes to appreciate the simple, you have to have lived the chaos. You lived the chaos. You lived the chaos. Ah, I lived it. My husband and I called it a...

We grabbed our crotch. Because he had his crotch, I had mine. And we said, OK, that wasn't fun. We don't want that anymore. What was going on? Oh... The... Yes, we can talk about that. You know, someone who wants to voluntarily stay

always blurry, who gives very little information, because he doesn't want to give too much, because if something happens elsewhere, you don't ask too many questions. You know, Moncham, we are super independent, but our phones are accessible, and Moncham gives me his phone number. I know him, I never remember.

You're doing his code, you mean? I never asked him, but he gave me his number. If you need him, go ahead, that's it. And then, it's the same thing for me, but I never feel the need to go in. I don't have... Anyway, I wouldn't go without asking him. It's not in my ways of doing it. And I never used the code anyway, once after the other.

But the reality is that when the person is always blurry, It's not in my ways of doing it. And I never got in anyone's way once after the other. But the reality is that when the person is always blurry and they don't give you details, then, ah yes, maybe we'll see each other on Tuesday, or, ah yes, yes, you know, the deal. And then after that, it's, yes, I don't know what we're going to do. So you're not free at that time. No, that's it.

It takes away all the spontaneity. Exactly. You're never free. And then you learn things. And then you're like, ah, well, you know, I wanted to, but finally someone else came back into my life. So I don't know what I'm trying to do. And then you become someone you want to fall in love with, because you give me a kind of quest for the conqueror who settles down.

Because you're like, it's not just that I love him, I want to see him, damn it. There's something about... I want to win, I want to win. That's it, I want to win. It's rare, when I saw a guy who had a lot of girls around him in a bar, I was like, I had no interest, it's not the kind of competition I like, but if I'm already involved, and you're like, I want to bring it to the end, I want to see what's going to happen with like, I want to bring it to the end.

I want to see what's going to happen with that. I want to live it. Hey listen, I brought frozen dishes because he was sick on the doorstep to learn that he was sick from someone else. So at one point I was like, I've become someone I hate. You became like the shadow of yourself somewhere. Yes, that's it. And then I was like, no, I'm not that person. And you know, like I don't need to run.

And once I'm going to win, let's say I'm going to win quick, someone who treats the world the same. So, you know, at one point we got off, and you know, there were similar stories. So when we arrived, and it was simple, and we were doing things easily, and we don't have...

The sensitivity we have when we tell ourselves the real things, if we're hurt, we say, I'm hurt. But you know, we're not hurt because we... We're hurt in a realistic way. Sometimes there are people who... Wait, I don't know, the person will do like... She didn't see that your hair was cut. And then it's the end of the world because she didn't see that you had your hair cut.

And then he says to me, but in the end, it's not that she didn't see that you didn't have your hair cut at the end of the world. It's that you have the impression that this person never looks at you, doesn't have the concern of detail with you, doesn't have all these things. That's the bug. And that's what we need to talk about. So I think we have this intelligence, us, to go directly into these things, instead of doing like,

you never tell me when my hair is on the side. You know, like, excuse me, I'm not trying to ridicule people who are in the middle of a crisis. But you know, sometimes it sounds weird. You're like, well, we're just jerks. But you have a love as a security, one for the other.

Yes, and it's important, you know. And him, I think he was less secure at the beginning because I have a job that takes me elsewhere, which makes me work. And sometimes it's blurry what I'm doing. I'm gone for three days now. I mean, you have to go to the column to manage someone who's not there, and you have to have confidence in yourself and in the other person. So he thought that all the comedians were people to go, and he was always tearing himself in the face.

I was like, hey boy, be calm that all the comedians were people to go, and that they were always tearing themselves apart. And I was like, hey, boy, be calm, I'm a little more my aunt than you think. And you've been together for 12 years? 11 years now. 11 years, 11 years that you've been together. Yeah. Is it your longest relationship?

Yes, it's my longest relationship. It's the relationship in which I'm the most comfortable. It's the relationship in which I said, yes, I'm ready to have a mortgage. Yes, I'm ready to have a child. And, et puis, tu sais, il y a pas de regret là-dessus. On se voit encore vieux à se bercer. Des fois quand je suis en train de parler, il écoute à peu près pas, ou il écoute à moitié, ou tout ça. Tu sais, quand on va être vieux, il va juste nous rester ça à parler. Fait que pratique-toi à écouter, parce qu'on va se bercer vieux

pis il faut qu'on se parle. Pis comme, ah ouais, excusez-moi. Une petite répétition générale. Oui, on entend une petite répétition générale pour le plus tard. Miveau rouge, Mélanie, tu m'en donnes trois, s'il te plaît. On a souvent cette image-là d'une galerie avec des chaises bersantes. Oui, pis en ce moment on a même pas de galerie, fait que je sais pas où c'est qu'on va les mettre, mais... Mais en fait, c'est une image comme d'apaisement, je trouve. Yeah. And right now, we don't even have a gallery, so I don't know where we're going to put them.

But in fact, it's an image of comfort, I think. You know, it's rolling, there's a lot of stuff, but at some point, there's something to put down. And 500 years ago, there was something very pleasant to rock. I was rocked a lot when I was young. My mother sang me songs in a big rocking chair. I rocked my son a lot because I loved it. Even my gift when I was pregnant, I asked my husband to buy me a dresser outside.

Because I wanted to dress. I think there's something about when you're old, it's soothing to return to the youthful dress. Yes, that's true. I like to dress. So, at the level of the red, do you have regrets? Did you neglect certain aspects of your life? Have you already reached your physical or psychological limits? Do you have regrets? Did you neglect certain aspects of your life? Have you already reached your physical or psychological limits? I'm going to go to physical and psychological limits. Yes.

Yes. Indeed, I think I have already reached my limits. Effectivement, je pense que je les ai déjà atteint mes limites. Et parce que je n'étais plus capable de gérer moi-même. C'est ça, dans le sens que quand tu arrives et tu fais le chute, ça va me prendre quelqu'un qui est expert pour gérer ça parce que je n'y arriverai pas. Malgré le fait que je suis quand même assez autonome, And despite the fact that I'm still quite autonomous, you know, I was raised like that, and it suits me well in my personality. You see, I want to sound like a friend, you know, you understand.

So that's okay, but at some point when you don't know what to do with it, and then everything is black, and you know, the pandemic hit me very hard at home, in the sense that I dreamed for 12 years of having a first One Woman show. It was a long time before I had it. I wasn't the favorite of my cohort. I'm someone who has always worked from 2013 in the sense of humor. But there are a lot of people who are working hard under the iceberg and who are doing very well in their careers,

but who are not at the top, you know, and they work. And then I finally, at the end of 2019, I launched my first One Woman show. And in December 2019, I had the guts to talk to everyone, they were all laughing, you know, among the comedians to do like, oh my God, finally you're there and you're happy. Consecration. Yes, that's it. So there's something, and then the sales of tickets exploded, and then in March, well, everything stopped. So this dream that I worked so hard in a field where merit is not going to go strong,

where there are people sometimes who do not have the same kind of involvement, but who succeed much more easily because either they are more effective when the cameras are on, or I don't know, I mean, there are lots of factors, but I know there are people who need to wake up and they are told to take a shower to be able to go on a plateau because at one point you're like, I can't believe that everyone has the charm to treat this child, this adult man, like a child to have their 15 minutes dans leur radio. À un moment donné, au niveau de l'éthique de travail... Ce que t'en as vu, des affaires qui sont venues te chercher. Oui, oui, c'est ça.

Au niveau de tout ce qui m'était enseigné dans les valeurs de l'éthique de travail, de la gentillesse, de travailler avec des gens, je veux dire, comme tu leur donnes ce que tu es capable de donner. Ça, pour moi, ça you're able to give. So, for me, that came to me a lot. Finally, I had the impression that despite the fact that sometimes the merit didn't go far, I was getting there on the right track. I was throwing my show, I was happy, and then life made me think, well, no, it won't go as you want.

Like, well, often things, you know. But then it was a big chunk of career for a comedian to launch his first show. So that made it so that I couldn't hang on to fun things anymore. I always had the impression that I hadn't succeeded. And yet, there are plenty of other things that had been done before, but I was no longer able to see them. So, I was not having fun, and I had to take care of a child who was in kindergarten, who had gone home. My husband, who had to keep working. And I was a zombie who was zero efficient.

So, I called a couple of humorists and I said, give me your number, because I wouldn't be able to work alone. This story, there's no more pleasure. And I have to be doing some road-tripping moses to entertain my child. So at some point, you know, like... What was your signal the morning you called your name? To be forced to go and hide to cry constantly. You know, at one point I was like, it's not possible, it's been like half an hour, I woke up and I'm already hiding to cry. You know, at one point you're like, okay, there are difficult parts during the pandemic, and you know, your child has to... I said to myself, I think I'll be able to do it. I admit it's a bit of a shame, honestly.

It's a bit of a shame in your head, but do you remember the film Life is Beautiful? I understand, life is beautiful. I understand, I saw it several times. Listen, it breaks my heart, but what the main character wanted to do was to make the concentration camp live in a different way to his child. Not that he realizes it. Not that he realizes it. And I had put that in my head.

My child is too young to understand what is happening. So we're going to make him live the most fun way possible. Because anyway, even if I explain that there is a virus and that the planet can die, it's useless for him to understand all that. And I'm not counting on him, please, to tell me that I compare the concentration camps to COVID, I know it's not the same tell me that I compare the concentration camps to COVID. I know it's not the same thing at all. But this film came to mind.

But this film came to mind. So I had put myself in a kind of mission that we would have fun. And I had forgotten that I existed in there. And I had kicked my phone during that time. So I was like, I don't know how I'm going to do to find fun. Because I just want to cry. And often, I try to avoid that, the COVID in my child. I'm going to cry in front of my child for other situations. You know, it can happen.

But because it wasn't crying, it wasn't momentary. You felt like it was deeper. It was heavier. You take your eyes off the ground, you cry. You cry for everything, you understand? Because every thing you do, you didn't think you would do it in that moment You thought you were on five Exactly, and it's too much

Everything was too much Because you had finally achieved what you wanted It's like we just took it off And you go back And then it starts again And the pandemic was already difficult for everyone Yes, so I did my first tour But I did it in rooms where it was in yellow,

as long as there were colors. I did it in the time it was in yellow. There were lots of bars in town. I did it with people who had masks on their faces. I did it with distancing in the rooms. I experienced other things that sincerely formed me, nothing that makes me angry anymore. But then you went to see a doctor, so at that time?

I went to see a doctor via Zoom, because that was it. Then I took the website of a comedian that I knew, and I said to myself, if I was able to manage this comedian, I would be able to manage myself. Then I got there, and I talked to the lady, and it took a few meetings. Then at some point, you know, it was in the... You have the impression at the moment that you have no more value. Because you have no more... you know, your value was based on what you were doing. So she asked me to do my CV, to update my CV,

which we don't do in humor, we're going to tell ourselves, there's no CV in humor, we're going to do that. And I saw everything I had done from 2013 to the pandemic, I was like, wow, okay. Okay, it's fine, it's good. Then she told me, you're going to do some little things that you know you're going to do well. Cleaning your wardrobe. A brush and washing. She said, what we need to rebuild is that

you think you're going to do well. Because you can't do it. So I said, I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to that you think you're going to succeed, because you can't do it.

So that was it. But I was like, it's too big, I can't do it anymore. I'm 40 something years old, I'm tired, I just got here, and I still can't do it. So you understand, I'm miserable. It was like a karma. Like something that was on your mind all the time, the same cycle. That's it. And you're like, and you know, it wasn't big deal, but you know,

it's not for nothing, sometimes I do, you know, like, we were there a while ago when I crossed my fingers and made my 11 o'clock wishes to go to Marie-Claude, you know. Because yes, I'm super happy. The idea is to meet you and have this discussion. But the number of times I've wished people would think of me for a project, hoping that this career would settle, that we'd talk, you know.

Because that's what happens, it's not complicated. All I do is that I want people to hear what I have to say on stage. And to get to that, it's not complicated. All I do is that I want people to hear what I have to say on stage. And to get there, it's not complicated. We are in a system where the more you are seen, the more people know who you are, and the more people know who you are, the more people want to buy tickets to hear what you have to say. Because I sincerely believe that what I have to say is fun, and it does good for the world, and it makes them laugh, and that I do my job well. And that's where I feel the best in life. So there's something about

transmitting information to people. I know when I went to the CEGEP and the guide made me go through a test in orientation, the first thing that came out of it, I was in a good mood because it was a priest. And I was like, girl, I'm a woman. I can't believe you're a curse that makes me look was a priest. And I was like, she's a virgin, a woman's I can't believe you're a Maudite, what's this shit? And he said's for my podcast, that it's...

You know, the fact is that it's... Because you do a lot of things. Yes. And you know, lately, when there was the failure of Just for Laughter, when it was them, basically, who produced your show... Yeah, that's right. So I had a pandemic for the first one. That was your second, yes. It was a failure for the second.

So how did you get through that? Less worse, maybe, than others, I don't know. But I had already experienced the shit of the first one. I was like, it can't be worse than that. And I even self-produced my first show. So I was like, at worst, let's go back to the starting frame. And I self-produced with the help of my managers at the time. So I said, that's it.

But I'm happy because I've come to a level of humor where there are other producers who have taken over and who have done, well, if Mélanie doesn't have a producer anymore, we might be interested. They took over. That's it. So now I'm with Pomme Grenade, who are my production team, with the same managers who are independent of the production company. So, in the end, it's going well? It's going well, and you know, the production is going well, and I think that, you know, when you're somewhere, you don't know how it works elsewhere, and then you see things,

and you do like your barbwet. I didn't know I had more crochet atoms with the new team than I had with the old one. And it's not a reproach from the old team, you know, crochet atoms, eggs, etc. Yes, exactly. But the girls from Pomme Grenade saw, they said, we know we're going to have crochet atoms with sewing. So for me, I entered this group of five wonderful women, if not six, who are walking around like I'm walking around. So there's something about, who walk around like I do. So there's something about that that I really like.

And I feel supported. And I have friends in that company who are produced. So Christine Morency, and sometimes I go to her first parties to have fun with her. So that's it. But when you say, when you say, when I follow you on stage, that's where I'm the best. What does it make you feel about being on stage?

It makes me stop the hamster in my head. It's the only place where I really feel like I'm living the moment. When I'm able to control my text, and I'm not in the middle of my head, because sometimes you're putting things in place, so you have the next lines coming up, and at the same time you say the... You don't want to forget. Exactly.

You're less anchored, so you're like, oh, the lady just got out of bed. You hear everything, and everything happens. But when you master that, and you happen to have your work done, listen, you can walk on stage, and you get the impression that it's floating a little, so much that it's effortless.

It's there, I don't worry about before, I don't worry about after, it's just there. And it's the space. What's the name of your new show? It changes everything. Does it change everything for you, this show? I think so, yes, it changes everything. It changes everything.

From one, from how it is... We saw the turn it took with the new production. But the way I attack the idea of doing a show now, I'm not playing my life anymore, although I would like there to be a lot of people who come to see this show. But I understood that sometimes, if it's maybe the second, it's maybe the second, maybe the third, maybe at some point you'll be older

and it won't bother you to do bars, and you'll become a lecturer, and something will work. And each of my projects, I see them independently, and I'm not playing the real thing. Yeah, that's it, because that's the danger. The sublimation, to say, this one, that's it, because that's the danger. Yes. The sublimation, you know, to say, this one, that one. And there are only disappointments when you have these expectations. Exactly. And since I'm still earning my living,

that my partner is earning his life, you know, we don't have the pressure to do either. I have to suddenly become a millionaire to pay debts. You know, I don't have that stress at home. My mother was a bank manager, so I was 17 years old. With my pay from Subway, she made me make mistakes. So you had a good financial education. I had an excellent financial education. Hey, that changes everything in life.

It changes everything. There you go. That there. I would have liked to have that when I was younger. Yeah, I was very lucky. You worked at Subway, you put money in the bank. I had received a pay, and it wasn't even a full pay. I didn't even have two weeks, so I when I was younger. Yeah, I was very lucky. You were very lucky, you were saving money. I had received a pay, it wasn't even a full pay.

I hadn't even done two weeks, so I had like 127 dollars as a pay. Then my mom said, how much are you going to put in your reals? I was like, frankly, mom said, well, you didn't need 127 dollars yesterday. She said, I can't believe that 117 dollars won't be right. I was like, yeah. So you put 10 dollars in your reals. That's how I paid the national school in one word, I repaid, oh yeah. So you put 10 dollars in your bank account. Yes, and that's how I paid the National Bank of the Moor. I repaid my bank accounts. So I was very lucky.

I was born in the Watt. They weren't rich people, but they were intelligent people, as emotional as financial. I had good foundations. I understand. Because you know how much money takes up space?

You know, we were talking about mental health, and you gave the example of someone who is really single-parent all the time. You know, the space it takes. And you know, we didn't all have this financial education. Sometimes, you know, we don't have money, but I mean, even young people, when we had the impression that we didn't have it, but we didn't have any responsibility, you know. When we think about it, we say, Colin, I could have put that 10 bucks in there. Because you take it off, you think you don't have it anymore. But we don't have it anymore. Because just saying a rear, it doesn't seem that sexy.

Not at all. To think about retirement when you're 17, but to understand when it comes to your mother, that you feel the 10 bucks is okay, and after that you know, you understand the utility of that. Yes, that's it, because anyway,, it's okay. And then you use it, you understand the usefulness of it. Yes, that's it. Because anyway, it doesn't exist in your head. Like the button in my face, I forget it. It doesn't exist anymore.

It doesn't exist anymore, and when you need it, it exists and you're content. So you really do it, it's not that you don't need money. But I mean, you can respect, you can't say yes. You don't say no. In fact, you don't say yes when you want to say no. In relation to money? In relation to what you do professionally. It's not money, it's not like a motivation to say yes at all costs. No, it's not a motivation to say yes at all costs.

But that's a great freedom. Despite the fact that we are in a field where there are no pension funds, and that's still a stress to do, I don't have a pension fund. So how do we arrange things at the present level so that my future is padded? Because I can't follow the pace of life that my spouse has if I want to think about my future, which he doesn't need as much time to think about. It's funny because it seems like we have financial integration, especially because I keep receiving on my phone or even in my emails, a lot of financial institutions that are founding workshops.

Even I have animated a webinar not long ago for, among other things, we didn't only talk about women, but also to women to think about their retirement, because often, I go to the maternity leave because of the congé, we don't contribute to our pension fund, not to our retirement fund. But at the same time, the rears time, when the mental change is high, when children are young, we report, like me, I really did that well, report and tell women,

no, but we must talk about money. I think we have some interest in that, although it's absolutely not from nowhere, but it's in the air of time. That's what I meant, we hear more and more about the awakening of women. Think about your future. Because with children, I think we think about our day,

but we want to give everything to our children, and it's like putting money aside. It's a bit like taking it away. In any case, I experienced it myself. It's a bit like taking it away from our children. It's tough. And it's about finding the balance between, I have to be, precisely, not at the mercy of my child later.

You know? There's that too. Because I can't be at the mercy of my child later. Because right now, he can have a couple of toys less, or you know, sometimes you're like, well, okay, you know, we're not talking about people who are at the base, who have a hard time buying. You know, if we have a minimum income that who are at the base, who have a hard time buying. If we have a minimum income that we can save, it's not just saving for the trip.

And I say it without pretension, I know there are people who do like me, I want to live now, it falls into the values at that time. Yes, but financial health for women is still worrying. Yes, it's worrying because we weren't talking about it, because we weren't the ones who were managing the wallets historically. Exactly. Just to give you an idea, my chum, at the level of sexism, my chum is the first one to answer at school.

Because I often don't answer my phone, because, just like here, like it sounded earlier. And it's weird that it sounds, because often on stage, I put it in silent mode, so all day long, my chum asks me, do you answer or not? I was like, because he was in silent mode, I was spectacular. So he knows, he says, no, it's going to be me, the first to answer from school. So he always puts this on every year. And despite everything, when school has something,

he calls me. And the only time they communicated with my chum in a priority way, before calling me, let's say, it's because I had forgotten to pay a guard service bill. prioritaires avant de m'appeler moi, mettons, c'est parce que j'avais oublié de payer un compte de service de garde. Ah, concernait l'argent. Tu comprends, c'est moi qui ai fait l'événement du service de garde à chaque fois. Ils ont appelé. Ils ont appelé lui. Comme un billet.

Un billet, oui, c'est ça. Comme une éponge. Ils ont absorbé. Ils se sont pas posé de questions. Non. Like a... A spade. They absorbed it. They didn't ask questions. They called the guy. Yeah, so I was like, oh wow. They call me all the time when I'm in the house. And finally... And you know, it's not even

conscious of their part. It's sure that it's not conscious of their part. Especially if they had to see that it was me who was doing the turns. Did you go out of money with your friends? Yes. Especially between humorists. You name people, you say things. Yes, how much you're paid, and I ask the boys how much you're paid, because it's not true that I'm paid below.

I love what you're saying. Yes, yes, yes. I'm not afraid to do that. I find it very insulting when they make us sign contracts like we don't have the right to talk, share any information. But usually, they offer us amounts before we even sign anything. So we discuss and we negotiate. It's that, because you have to know how much it is worth. Yes. I always say that to women. How much is it worth when you go to negotiate? The problem is that often it's worth a lot.

I know, I know. So we need to talk about it. You know, when you said to your psychologist, you had your CV done, I mean, we should do it at some point, because we forget that we acquired new skills, that we acquired new skills,

experience. It has value. And it shapes who you've become. Absolutely. I see a lot of fans who are doing charity. I get involved in several social causes, and it's often women who are there. But that's on your CV, because what you're doing is organizing an event.

It's not because you're not paid. You're doing it because it doesn't exist. That's really an incredible experience. I don't work in corporate very much during the holidays. I work a lot during the week of March 8th, and more and more, it goes down every week, from side to side, because of the International Women's Rights Day. Often, I'm asked to work in corporate.

And I'm always surprised and almost even to see how organized women's environments are than the tabarouettes when I go there to do a bodyguard. They have a lot of questions because sometimes it's not a place they know well. And let's say we tell them we'd like to have a micro hotel, they panic because they may not have the right microphone and because they want to do well. But I always tell my manager, for real, I'm going to work with them anytime before going to make a body in a insurance box, I don't know what. Let me work in the community environment, a little cheaper if necessary, but I know I'm going to have fun, that the girls are going to be organized, that when I get there they're going to make me a coffee cup gift with fan-texted slippers and I'm going to be really angry.

And you know, like I said, he's going to be something in the community's regrouping. To have worked for a long time, I know there's a power in the community that we underestimate. Yes, and it's an experience that we need in our work market, that we need to make recognized. You know, they have to talk about it. You don't understand, don't say, yeah, but there, that, but no, there's no such thing. Exactly.

Sometimes I see them, it's them when I do conferences or when I do animation. I tell myself, there's work here. You've worked. That's it. I was with, for the week, the next dance with helpers, natural helpers. And the women who organized this event, it was incredible. It was beautiful. I found them, they were afraid of doing badly, they did everything well.

But I found it beautiful and that changes the life of the people who are there. Yes, that's it. Exactly. So these people, we love them. Yes. At the eros and compagnie level... Yee! Listen, it looks like it's funny because it's the first time I've received someone who's studying sexology. You know, we take five to make sure the person is comfortable with one of the five. Oh my God, okay. How many do I get?

I get five like that, but I have the impression that it won't bother you. You know I bought the game. And did you play? Not yet. I almost brought it. I said no, she's going to find me a good three-story house. I almost brought it so you could dedicate it to me. Oh, you should have. I had it at home because I was going to buy it.

I said, in the time of the holidays, we always make soups for friends. I'll give you one and I'll dedicate it to you. Thank you, you're kind, I'll give the other one as a gift. And you know, sometimes friends, people, someone told me to call in, I said, I learned more about you by listening to this podcast, when we were thinking. And then I was like, well, it's true that we don't talk,

you know, we often talk about something, job, and then I was like, oh, check me out, I'll play the game to learn how to know my friends. Oh yeah, but it works, huh, this game between friends, in the couples too. I already said it in this podcast, but we have a girl, a lady who wrote to us to say that

they rented a chalet at one point with her father, her children, all that. One night they played at Ouvre Ton Jeu. And then for her father, his children, all that. One night, they played the game of opening your game. And then, for his father, the question, it was a childhood memory. And he told a story about his life, and the next morning, he had a heart attack

and he died in the chalet. And she said, but it's beautiful because, at the same time, it's obviously very sad, as a story. But she would never have had access to that. No, that's it. She said it so that she could write to us. It's as if it left us with something beautiful. We learned about the city.

In English, we say a kind of bitter sweet. Yes, exactly. Sour and sweet. Yes, yes, sweet and sour. Yes, absolutely. But we had a lot of comments. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes One day, someone asked me, why did you put your mammography on the internet? I said, if you don't know why, it's because you don't know the strength of the group and the information that spreads.

Because I said, I put it because I had a problem, I had to see it, another thing. And then when you have more and more exams, and it's long before you get the results, and then I rush because between the two, the aunt is not the fun of my late child.

He's young, he can't be a fool. You can sometimes have it in your eyes. And when you talk to a group, it's not for nothing that the AA are groups. It's not for nothing that the group of mourning are groups. And sometimes a Facebook page can become a group. A group of people who discuss with each other and make it calm down your fears and all that. And for real, we really try to use the group's power enormously. So to expose and talk about these things,

I think that's fantastic. You know, I set up a virtual community called Le Marie Club. It's a monthly or annual subscription. And that was my goal. To say what I did on TV, to help people, to pursue this with different experts, specialists. But the web brings proximity. And it's like several times, at least twice a month, we do a cause-review where we meet people. Sometimes they are 200, sometimes they are 500, sometimes they are 90.

But it's always between 7 and 8 o'clock, twice a month. And it's always like, the first time I did that, I did Open Your Game Express. What does it give virtually with members? Ah yes, fantastic. Listen, in 3 and 5 minutes, we're going to look for information. You know, like, you ask a question and you say, ah, maybe it's going to last a minute. But no, the person arrives with another moment, but it's because she's heard, she's listened, she's validated, and we see a lot in the comments, hey, my God, it's good that

you say that, I would never have seen it. Because you're doing it live, so people from home can comment. Yes, so we can say, listen, I didn't expect, I do that from home, in my office, and I get out of there, and I'm like transformed every time. The strength of the group is incredible. Yes, the workshops, and we have workshops live, but the workshops plus the group, that's what the TV didn't bring me. Yeah, because you didn't have access to the live. It wasn't a private club, you know.

Now it's really, and now I want to, we're going to start doing activities outside of the Marie-Club, because it's a lot of women. These women want to have a better society. on va commencer à faire des activités à l'extérieur du Marie-Clob, parce que c'est beaucoup des femmes. Ces femmes-là ont envie aussi d'avoir une meilleure société. Moi, je trouve ça extraordinaire. Puis tu sais, ça, c'est la force qu'on a eue parce qu'en étant, mon Dieu, on rend en dur hardcore, mais en étant le sexe opprimé, il a fallu qu'on se regroupe pour être capable de, justement, ouvrir des maisons d'hébergement, être capable de dire,

« Hey, ça n'a pas de bon sens's not good that we don't have a vote. So there are things that at one point had to be placed. And we've known for a long time how to group, how to work in a gang, how to build things in a group. And I have the impression that at the level of the human aid network, that's what they lack. The experience of being in a group, not for a company purpose or to make money,

but for a goal of helping each other. And when they will have developed this expertise as much as we do, I think that men in our society will do much better too. Yes. And there are more and more groups of men. And now it's about making them known. Yes. And also to think that subsidies are important from their side too. Yes, yes, I agree so much with you there. I did at the Mise en Mer Claude an edition last year because

Jeannette Bertrand wrote two books, the second one was a novel but it was about groups of men. One of these characters needed, it was Lee Double if I remember well, the second one. And it was a pretext, we received Jeanette with three speakers from different groups of men. And the comments we received afterwards were crazy, because the men who listened to us were learning something. You can just go sit there, you don't have to talk right away, but to recognize yourself through your parents, it feels good in the word. It gives you a sense of to be through your parents. It's good for them.

It's a good thing to be a curse. It's a good thing to be angry. It helps you understand. It doesn't make sense that we put the weight of the shoulders of each man that he must be the boss of something. Yes, all with responsibility. It's the other responsibility. Exactly.

And that they don't have support among themselves. Even therapists have therapists, you understand? At some point, it takes support. And when they don't have it, I wouldn't be surprised if the suicide statistics are enormously linked to that. When we say that men ask for less help or when they ask for help, they are not not receiving the way they're able to do their way. So, you know, for real, there's a social system that I think needs to be better established to help men, because no matter what the problem is for women, let's say we take the rape, I can open 20 million homes, but we won't be able to solve it if we're not solving problems with men. You're so right. Yes, we have to do it. And we hear it more and more. So, are the subsidies going to follow? But there's a will from the middle, Antoine.

Yes. I'm reading the questions, you've already got them. As a sexologist in training, is it easy for you to express your desires within the couple? OK. What do you do to seduce the other? What memories do you look at for the first time? Are you comfortable with nudity? How has your sexual life evolved over time?

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And you can take your time and... No, but she gave you the right information. She was the one who broke the chain of silence. She was born in a family of 14 people. Even though she was 14 and in the middle, when her rules came, she didn't know what to do. It was panic and I was going to die. So, we're going to wash him. It's like the one you see from your sister, it's going to go,

you know. And she did not really, she said, stay in ignorance. She said, it's a feeling that is ex-scrabble. So, she went, she became a library rat and she learned, and she said, I will be able to at least transfer the information to my children, you know. She said, I was zero in her practice,

but I was solid in her theory. You really gave her good advice. Yes, exactly. It was a basis in relation to that. The first time I had meetings with men, two boys at the time, I don't know if you understand, I knew, let's say, that it didn't bother me to go and do it now. I wasn't ready to do it at the end. I didn't want to go and do it now. I wasn't ready to do it at the end.

I didn't want to go all the way. Because I thought it was huge to get all naked in front of someone. And to do everything. It's a lot to do everything. To get all French. It's something. To flatten the naked back of a stranger. Well, not a stranger, you know.

I mean, it's the first time you flatten your naked back. flatté le dos nu d'un éconu. Bien, c'est pas d'un éconu, tu comprends, mais t'sais, c'est la première fois que tu flattes le dos tout nu. C'est quelque chose, t'sais, de coller des corps chauds un sur l'autre. T'as pas vécu ça avant, ça aussi c'est beaucoup, t'sais. En tout cas, moi, il y avait beaucoup, là. Il y avait beaucoup d'étapes, je comprends.

Qui se passent rapidement. J'ai apprécié les étapes que tu te frottes avec des pantalons. Après ça, I appreciated the stages where you rub yourself with pants, then the stages where you touch your genitals, but they don't necessarily go inside of you. I accepted oral sex, you know, I did all my first times. And when I had a real first time, I thought it was important that I knew that it was with someone that I could do it again. Because I was thinking, I think I'm going to love it. So if I can't do it with someone one day or the next day,

or whatever, I'll try again and learn and discover. So I can't do it with a one night, because I'm going to be there. After that, to do it like, my God, there's something else to discover, because you want to know what it is. So I did it with someone and it took me quite a while. I was 21 years old and I was really into learning. He was a little older than me. So for me it was fun because it wasn't his first time.

So I remember very well at one point he came in and he was like, how are you? I was like, yes. I was like, hey, wait a minute. And then I pushed myself to the bottom. I was like, Lassane. You know And then I pushed myself to the bottom, I was like, Lassa! You know, it wasn't... You communicated. That's it.

It was Mélanie in her little tiny eyes that was learning something and that was living something. But you know, it wasn't like, eh, my French and all that. But you weren't in the gene. No, I wasn't in the gene. Because we had been a little naked before, we had had a little sexual before. No, je n'étais pas dans la gène. Justement, on avait été un peu tout nus avant, on avait eu un peu de sexo à l'avant. Il y avait des choses qui s'étaient installées tranquillement pas vite. Moi, ça m'a permis.

Déjà, de penser qu'il faut que tu sautes à faire tout d'une shot, aussitôt que tu es tout nu, pour moi, c'était beaucoup trop. Mon cerveau aurait pas pu prendre ça. Je trouvais ça bien le fun. Souvent, les gens disent, je ne sais pas si je suis prêt, ou je ne sais pas si je suis prête. So I thought it was fun. Often people say, I don't know if I'm ready or not. Often people say that your head, your heart and your pelvis

want to do the same thing. But I think I would add, are you able to talk about sex with the person? Because sometimes no one talks about it. They think it's going to be about you, that we're going to do it like, you know. But to talk about, yeah, but if you go in, then I'm not super comfortable, are you going to come out? You know, condom is important.

You know what I mean? So that's the step, I think, that's the most mature, to say, I'm ready or I'm not ready. You've always done that. Well, yes, but I would say like 21 years. But at 21 years, you're still good. Do you have partners who reacted to that? No.

Honestly, it's... So basically, you have to do it. Well, maybe, you know, there's no one who reacted negatively. There may have been a little bit of timidity, but I didn't have a negative reaction. Like, frankly, I can't believe you're doing this. I didn't have that. Did I choose the right partners, maybe? Are the guys just happy that there's someone who...

Because I mean, you're responsible for your own pleasure at the base. If you know that, and if you know your body, because I discovered that by rubbing myself on young tits, so if you know your body, because I discovered that by rubbing myself on young boobs, if you know your body quickly, then you're responsible for showing the other how you like it. This poor guy is not a compass. The girl can't guess. It's still the stereotype that he is not sure what to do, not that you're coming. And he's like, no, he doesn't know. So I had that,

I had a good foundation from my mother. My mother, you know, it seemed like things were normal for me. It seemed like the taboo, there was no cloud of taboo. You know, I was menstruated, I received flowers, a card, a cake. We celebrated that.

It was a ritual of passing. I arrived at the bus the next morning, I was 12 years old, and I was like, I'm a monster! For me, it was like, holy shit! It's a step! I'm now in the world of teenagers! And maybe not you, but me, yes! You know what I mean?

So I had something. And then people, you know what I mean? The fray that it made, and I had said to myself, maybe the adults won't react the same way. So, to my teacher, I'm a monster! My teacher was like, well, okay.

Do you need to go to the bathroom? I was like, no, no, no, I'll just tell you. I like that, it's beautiful. It's very beautiful, but you know, it comes with the fact that you learn that it's not always the same. Well, no, not at all. But I think it makes me feel less like realizing learn that it's not always the same. Well, no, we're talking about everything. But I think it bothers me less to realize later that it's not always the same than not having had the right information.

You've had it all. I've had it all. And when did you decide to study it in sexology? I was at CEGEP in health sciences. I wanted to become the first physiotherapist woman behind the Canadian band. We were far from the project. And I had too much misery in health science. Maths wanted to get me out of my ears.

I couldn't do it. I wasn't good. It didn't work. It wasn't my strength. And that's when I went to see the guide. And then he told me, you can talk, you can transmit information. And when you're young and in the Cégep, you just think that what you can teach is secondary matter.

You don't see that there are other things you can teach. That's when he told me about psychology, sexology, and I was like, oh, because I knew that in our country it was easy and it wasn't taboo. I thought, that's interesting. I could hear about that all my life and talk about it all my life, but French, no, I'm not interested. Then I changed for the Human Sciences program because, finally, Human Sciences was a pre-lab at the BAC in Transsexuality. And I wasn't sure of being chosen because it's still a program that is limited.

It's very limited, yes. So I had done social and sexual work because I thought there was something similar in terms of intervention and education. And finally, I was lucky, I was accepted in both, and I took the voice of sexology because it really interested me. And I knew it was for teaching. I didn't want to go to the clinic, it didn't interest me to have people sitting in my office. And I knew very well that it was for being an educator. So I did it for a while. Does it excite when you meet a guy, let's say, and you say you studied in sexology, does it bring something? In bars, I hid it because it always turns from one bar to another, and it's a little weird.

Often I was a teacher, a teacher, I don't know why. Because otherwise, you say that, so either they feel like, ugh, and they're interested in trying it out, or they start telling you their problems and everything is a little patched up, and you're like, well, no, we're not going to do that here tonight. So it won't work. So it didn't work for me. And later, I realized that it put more pressure on me than excitement.

Because they felt like they had to be up to something. And when I told them, yes, but technically, according to your thinking, which is not true, it's supposed to be me, the expert. So it's supposed to be me who has the pressure, no? Because I don't put it on. So if I don't put it on, you shouldn't worry about yourself either. But yeah, because you have the impression that you could be analyzing yourself. Well, that's it.

But seeing that I have time to analyze someone when I have the papers that send me backwards, and the ass-puller that contracts me, you know. You understand, I mean, we live it, we live going to say, we're living it, we're living sexuality. Anyway, I'd rather live it than analyze it. You talk about sexuality a lot on stage. Do you have a lot of comments after? Yes, I have a lot of comments after. I have a lot of comments from people who say,

Ah, I would have liked my chum to be there. Ah, I think I'm going to bring my children next time. And by the way, the children are 16 and older, but it's not because I don't want the kids to hear it. I think even at 15, the kids, the young people, could be in the room, and I think it's super relevant because I'm talking about the education system. Do you have a secondary school FPS?

Yes. Well, that's it. You know, we're a FPS generation. Personal and social. Who had the education component in the sexual health there, but who was always given by the teacher who had lost his short hair, you know, like you do like that, really. Anyway, so I'm talking about that in my show because I

was saying to myself, they removed that program, and at one point, there were a bunch of young people who had nothing, and then they put it back in by asking a lot of teachers to teach a little bit like they could. Like they can, that's it, because they don't have the training. But no, but you know, I mean, like you ask all the teachers to do it a little, what do you think will happen? And then this year, there have the training. But no, but you know, I mean, like you ask all the teachers to do it a little,

you think it will happen. And then this year, there is the new CCQ course, which is a kind of FPS 2.0, which they just put back. But all this for me, it's super important to talk about it, because precisely this education, you know, it's not just to talk about pornography, to talk, you know, that's where I say it all changes. When you have the right codes in relation to sexuality, you don't try to replicate codes that aren't right. It's useless.

To mimic, to understand. To do something on the web, for example, you say I'm going to do it, but you don't understand, what is it? No. You don't do it by desire, but by imitation. By imitation of the show. They do a show, I'm going to do a show, I'm going to imitate. A bit like lip sync. But is there a notion of consent that comes in when you want to do a show? Ah yes, yes, yes, that's it.

You don't know that there's a lot of people. Yes, yes, it goes far. That's it. So all that is important. Having the right codes, I think it creates a better society compared to that. But I really think it all changes personally. I mean, like when you learn that the lady is screaming louder because it's a way to excite Louis from the gentleman who is at home, not the gentleman who is with her. The gentleman who is at home, who is watching.

Because I say it in my show, it's difficult to make someone come that you don't know, who is not in the same room as you and who has to come quickly because he is afraid to be caught. So they do it in a way that has nothing to do with yours. You can't have the same basics. So that's my pleasure, to put the right codes in the right place, in laughter and in fun, because it works, because people do like, or they do like, well, yes, or they do, ah, I would have liked my young man to hear that. So the reason why young people, when they are too young in the room, it's weird,

it's because the other adults feel bad. Because I think the young people will learn from that. And at the same time, the couples who listen to you, they'll probably have to talk to each other afterwards. Yes, and I would love for them to record it and send it to me. You'd love that? I'd love that, I say it in my show. I'm going to record it and send it to my son.

You made a capsule, if I remember correctly, it's for Urbania. Yes. Where you talked about your abortion. Yes. It really made me cry. Did you get a lot of comments? Enormously. I think it's one of the capsules.. Je pense que c'est un des trucs tout court de ma carrière qui a été le plus viral. Ça a parti de tout bord, de tout côté, puis pas dans la méchanceté, là. Ça a parti parce que les gens avaient besoin de l'entendre,

les femmes avaient besoin de le sentir, les femmes avaient besoin de comprendre. On revient à la force du groupe, là. Puis, je comprends pourquoi ça a fait pleurer les gens, parce que même moi, pendant que je l'ai faite, j'ai pleuré. And I understand why it made people cry, because even I, while I was doing it, I cried. But it's just that when you revisit something that was difficult, but that you knew it was the right thing for you, and for the potential to be, it you to look into what you were living in time, you know, because I revisited it in detail. Yes, and you were talking to yourself.

Exactly. The concept, that's it, you're talking to yourself. As time went by. At the most youthful time. It's at the most youthful time, while if I talk to you about it, you know, I wasn't a person who calculated the years to do things like, Oh my God, today I would be the mother of a child who was at that age. The decision was made, I was in peace with that and it was going well.

And the reason why I went out is because it was in the first Trump mandate, and when they actually fired Roe v. Wade, I think that's what it's called? Yes. That's when I said, OK, it doesn't make sense that there's not a speech that's going to come against this thing. The free choice. That's it. If you're questioning my free choice, I'm going to explain why this free choice is important. Or at least, it's important to me because when you start to openly say that you had an abortion, despite the fact that

people think it's still very taboo and I'm aware that it's still there, that's when others tell you, me too, me too, me too, me too, me too, me too, me too. And then you're like, oh, okay, someone's learning with their sister, yes, an abortion, because she commented on my status. And he never knew before. So there are things like that sometimes when you say, ah, there are partners, there are people who wrote to me privately to tell me, it did me good, but I'm not telling you under your capsule because my husband is not aware.

And it wasn't even with him, it wasn't his baby, let's say. And he wasn't able to tell them. mon chum est pas au courant. Pis c'était même pas avec lui, là. C'était pas son bébé, mettons, là. Pis il a pas été capable de le dire. Pis elle a pas été capable de parler de cet événement-là avant, fait qu'il y a quelque chose par rapport à ça qui est un peu comme... t'sais, un événement traumatisant que tu peux veiller ou un choix qu'il t'a fait mais que t'es pas... la société te dit qu'il faut pas que tu sois fière de ça, fait que tu fermes ta boîte avec ça, là.

Est-ce que toi t'en as parlé rapidement? Oui. Ben, publiquement, tu veux dire, moi, mon entourage... The society says you shouldn't be proud of it, so you close your box with that. Did you talk about it quickly? Yes. Publicly, you mean? When it happened in your environment, when you made the choice? Yes, in my environment, yes. Was there a particular context? You made a choice because it was based on a particular context. Yes, there was a particular context and it wouldn't have been...

But already the context, you had to name it to be named. There were some heavy things. There were heavy things. There was a moment in life that didn't make sense to have a child. There was a partner who wasn't a partner. There were a lot of things like that on the table. And the first people I got on the plane were my parents. And I said, there's a baby, there's a future baby in my belly, and I don't want that.

So we had a meeting, and it was even my parents who accompanied me to the clinic because the person in question wasn't in the background. So, to live things like that, when you have good good support around you, it's important to talk to the right person to be able to, it can be a friend, it can be anyone, but I talked about it quickly,

the same way I talked about my false layer quickly, because I didn't understand how much it had marked me and that it was difficult. And when I started, I wrote an article in Urbania about it, several years ago, even before the fake that we don't jostle each other. And I feel like I'm all alone when I hear it, and it happens to me. I'm telling you, I strongly believe in the strength of the group. It wouldn't be that I have to become vulnerable and that I accept this vulnerability in public to talk about it.

Because it comes with these comments. Once it comes out of your network, sometimes there are people who will comment negatively, and it won't be nice. We know what social media are. Yes, that's right. But at the same time, for all those, among others, who will release the word, it will remove that weight, which is a big secret.

Exactly. But there is always an abortion, there is a story before. Yes. But it is important, this story. Why do we come to this choice? It's a free choice, but it's a choice that there's a succession of events. Yes. And on the other hand,

it doesn't look the same to you. That's it, it doesn't look the same. You just have to be aware that there's a story. But what I find is that for the person who listens to you, who has experienced this and who hasn't talked about it, because it's a shame, it's like the way you told them, I thought it allowed these women to revisit their own history. And to stop judging yourself, maybe, or to be ashamed, because if you're ashamed, it's like you have a judgment against yourself.

You have the impression that there is a big taboo. Do you want to be part of those who want to break that taboo? You know, like several have done, of course. But I think it led to reflection, your way of... And it's powerful when you tell yourself the story. It's hard, even me, as long as I was telling myself, when I arrived in a booth and I said, oh boy, the valves have just opened, but it's going to be that. Because that's what was happening, we're not going to pretend. Yeah, it's the people, really, it's available, be that. Because that's what's going to happen. We're not going to pretend. Yes, it's Les Gens Velements, it's available.

We're doing Urbania, Milanic Couture, and it's going to... Oh, surely, yes. It's going to happen. Yes, it's... It's been quite a walk to get it out on top. Oh yes, yes, yes, but I think it's a really, you know, a complete moment of stop. You're telling us this story, we understand it, it's touching. And I think it also makes you think. Thank you. Thank you for doing that.

Question Optoraiso. When you look at your life, what makes you proud? If I had to summarize it, I think I would call it my balance. Refusing gigs to be with my child, but telling my child that I love my job a socially-based body, but I like to move, I like to eat well, but I also like chips. And I wouldn't hit my head because I was eating chips. Finding a partner who understands this balance, with whom I can build this balance,

is not perfect, and I don't aim for balance. I think I'm going for the feeling of I want to see my child grow up, but I love my job in Tabarouet. And for real, Marie, you know, we heard stories of old people in humor, like what, who didn't raise their children and they regret it, and they decided to make a second batch when they were 58. But I can't make a second batch. That's it.

That's where it happens. So, you know, we learn from others, if these men weren't confident about the fact that there were regrets about how they raised their children in this career, I wouldn't have had access to that information. confier sur le fait que, tu sais, il y avait des regrets par rapport à comment ils ont élevé leur enfant dans cette carrière-là, j'aurais pas eu accès à cette information-là. Non, mais c'est précieux de savoir ça. Oui, c'est précieux de savoir ça. Oui, oui, ça repasse pas.

Exactement. Puis ça me dit, tu sais, fait que si je sais que moindrement c'est dans ma fibre de pas vouloir vivre ça, ben il y a des choses que j'offuse, tu sais, comme pour pouvoir faire. Non, je partirai pas plus que trois, trois semaines. There are things that I refuse to do. I won't go more than three weeks. When I'm going to shoot, can we stop at a maximum of five shows, one shot, so I can come back home with the two of them? Often we see that very glamour of the shoot, but I'm not Louis-José Houdt, I don't go for ten days just to go to the

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10x 10x 10x 10x 10x 10x It's not true that I'm going to leave my family for that time. So there's no regret, but there's awareness of the consequences or the advantages. So I'm trying to juggle that as best I can. Are you in a beautiful period of life right now? Yes, because I'm in a period where I'm learning, and that annoys me all the time. It annoys me, it excites me all the time. I didn't have a director in the first show. And then I decided to have a director in the second show.

And that for me, I know it costs a fortune, because the production is still a big piece of production costs for a show. But I also see it as a training, you know, there are people who would pay that 10,000, 15,,000 Pies to have a continuous training of something. And then you're like, OK, not only did he bring me his expertise, but he's training me on something. So I think the student in me, she's Jubile, and at the same time, the professional at TRIP. Who's your teacher? It's Charles Dauphiné. It's Charles Dauphiné. I didn't know who Charles Dauphiné was.

I saw the show of Moranci, I saw the show of Nive, my friend. Both of them, I loved the staging, no matter the context, no matter the content of the show. I was like, wow, it's different, but both of them, I really like that. So I'm going to meet the two directors and I'm going to see with which one I click the most. Finally, I learned that it was Charles who had done both. So I was like, oh, I hope he wants to work with me! And finally it clicked. So it's different when you arrive. I imagine it brings you some assurance.

It brings a lot of assurance because, precisely, since I'm someone who is from the middle of pedagogy, it was very difficult for me to break my teacher's tone. I got hit on the school for two years, the school was in a mood of, you sound like a teacher, you're not a teacher, you sound like a teacher, and it's true. At one point, we develop a pedagogical tone. And I didn't read the pedagogical tone, but the... the retention, the composure of yourself, maybe... that comes from my mother, a little precious.

You know, we don't do too many things, we don't bother our neighbors too much, we hold on well, we don't put... listen, we don't eat with the same... You had it too much, that. So I think pushing myself to do like... No, no, there's no... Humor retention is never... Unless you... That's your game.

There are people who play very little, and in retention, it's paying. But they say, you have to play big. And I know it because my clown, she's from the National School of Humor. She was a girl from Vegas with feathers. Because they analyze us and they were like, I have to see your clown, so I can see what you can do.

And I think I have to take a stand for it. And that's not natural for me, so I have to do it with him, and he helps me do it well. So it's fun. I can't wait to see that. Oh yes, you're invited, that's for sure. What can we wish for you? What can we wish for you? Hum... Hey, my God, it's not true.

I would feel a little... I feel like I have... a lot of things. I think what we can wish for me is that a certain visibility that makes sure that all this project will last as long as possible. Yes, I understand. But you have a lot to bring, Mélanie. Thank you. In your life experience, in your way of expressing yourself,

you also have a great spirit of analysis. Yes. You're rational. Yes. Which is not always useful in humor. Because when you have to switch that to bullshit, I manage. But at the same time, it also brings a foundation to your humor. Yes, and that's why I never hesitate to make my numbers.

No, because you have a lot to say, and you found a vehicle to be able to say things. Exactly, that's it. Well, long life to you. Thank you, Bianca. Thank you, what a beautiful meeting. I think we talked about sex, we talked about money, we talked about a lot of things.

We walked around. Everything was possible. So thank you everyone for being here and thank you to you. And we'll see you next time. This episode was presented by Karine Jonquin, the Reference in Care for the Fé in Quebec, and by the virtual community Marie-Claude. The Table Game opens your game. Quebec et par la communauté virtuelle Marie-Claude. Le jeu de table ouvre ton jeu et disponible partout en magasin et sur randoeuf.ca